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Mitt Romney: Man On A Mission Or Missing In Action?
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Come, join us. Some, like Jon Krakauer, the author of 'Under the Banner of Heaven', think we Mormons a bit bereft in the legacy department. Well, Jesus was a Jew, and Christianity is as fallacious as Mormonism. After all, if you want me to believe Moses did not kill his son because God told him not to, then I, under Mormon precepts, am justified for doing anything God tells me to do.
There are many factions of Mormonism that sanction polygamy, but most people do not know this. Check it out, Jed. Then tell me about all the good works the Mormons do.
Tell me about what a great man Brigham Young was.
I guess that's considered to be a bit exotic and strange in this primarily Roman Catholic state. Catholics calling Mormons strange is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, don't you think? What's weirder--not drinking caffeine (Mormon), or not allowing the use of condoms in a world filled with AIDS (Catholic)? Some of you cafeteria Catholics mnay say, Well, I'm a Catholic, and I believe in condoms. Well, the big cheese in a funny hat in Rome says condoms are a sin, so if you think condoms are not a sin, you're either a bad Catholic, or more likely, a hypocrite.
Hello? What about the state of Massachusetts? This is about politics, not religion!
O'B.
Codfish Press
But I certainly feel badly for him that he (together with the rest of us) has to put up with idiot anti-Mormons (which seem to fall into two groups: polygamist groups who do crazy things like bomb Mormon churches on account of the Mormon Church's strong stance against polygamy, and people who can't seem to differentiate between those groups and the Mormon Church that those groups hate).
I can't imagine he'll stand a chance in the Presidential election; while a Jew or a Catholic might be able to perform well enough in the evangelical South, I think anyone from a non-Judeo-Christian religion (Muslim, Hare Krishna, etc.) or from a Christian relgion outside the Protestant mainstream (Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Seventh Day Adventist, etc.) would get killed there unless the opponent were a very "immoral" person (i.e., fanatic abortion activist).
Although I certainly wouldn't vote for Mitchell for President, it saddens me that even in modern America his candidacy is not viable due basically to his religion.
But I do reluctantly think that Manning has a point about the budget turnaround; other states have had similar economic revivals, but most of those states have not managed the same fiscal turnaround that Massachusetts has seen (nor has the federal government, despite a revived U.S. economy).
So while Mitchell's legacy leaves something to be desired in many areas, it does seem that he has been a fairly effective "CFO"-politician -- at least relating to the bottom line of the balance sheet, if not always to all of the other financial details.
Can't argue with the bottom line. The math adds up with Mitt.
O'B.
Codfish Press
I suppose you can't argue with the bottom line -- at least in the short term.
But at any company, you want to make sure that the money you *do* spend is being spent wisely such that the bottom line will continue to look nice in the future. Much of the recent federal legislation on corporate governance has been geared towards forcing corporate managers to look further ahead than just to the short-term results investors want.
A government should be even more conscientious of long-term goals. Will the programs Mitt cut and the changes he made help or hurt Massachusetts from a financial perspective in the long run? I suppose that only time will tell.
In any case, while corporations exist simply to make money (at least according to traditional corporate theory), governments focus on finance as merely part of their broader social mandate. Investors care about the bottom line only; citizens care about what the individual line items accomplish. And you can certainly argue with Mitt about what the government should be accomplishing with the dollars it spends.
Who else had the guts to stand up to Bulger's outragous pension demands, so much more in line with Boston business-as-usual?
Charlie and Sister are just parroting Ted Kennedy's attacks on Mitt when he ran for the Senate - and Mitt made Ted look grubby when he pointed out that Ted's brother, Jack, had tried to erase religious stigma forever. Dems have no memory.
The South cares a whole lot more about what a man says and does than what pew he sits down in - that's why Southern Baptist Al Gore failed to carry his own state. Go ahead, dream on that Mitt's religion will bar him from the Presidency - and btw, when's the last time you set foot in a church besides Christmas and Easter? C & E, I think it's called.
You said: "After all, if you want me to believe Moses did not kill his son because God told him not to, then I, under Mormon precepts, am justified for doing anything God tells me to do."
First of all, before you go on the attack, it's good to read a little more. It was ABRAHAM God asked to sacrifice his son in the Old Testament (The Jewish Bible). God did NOT go through with it (for the record).
Moses was the "Other" one. You know, that "Prince of Egypt" fella who said, "Let my people go," and then led them to the Promised Land (stopping along the way to pick up 10 Commandments from God).
Religious intolerance is as insane as Racial intolerance, and usually based on the same criteria: Ignorance.
Mitt may be a Mormon, but he has a very powerful political "Machine" behind him. It already made him a Governor without credentials. His dad was a political GIANT...and like Dubya...the family and friends want to pass on the torch.
JCRapp2005
http://scriptures.lds.org/od/1
And if you say they ONCE believed in it - did you purchase your indulgance to eat meat insted of fish today?
BTW - the Mormon web site is www.lds.org - You should visit there before you slander people.
I think you raise a valid point. In a perfect world, Romney should stick around to see if his math has legs...
I believe it does, but now we may never really know.
O'B.
Codfish Press
"The South cares a whole lot more about what a man says and does than what pew he sits down in - that's why Southern Baptist Al Gore failed to carry his own state."
Al Gore's opponent was a mainstream Protestant. My point is that a non-mainstream-Judeo-Christian candidate is going to be at a serious disadvantage in the South. Look at the major elected state and federal officials from Southern states and tell me that's not true. I wish it weren't the case, but I think it's difficult to deny.
I know it will be an issue in this upcoming election because it is such an issue in this column. However I hope that people will take some time to educate themselves and also remember that, if a man´s actions are good, the result will be good. I like Mitt. I trust that he will do a good job.
So lets lok at what kind of country we´d have under his direction before we make any ignortant decisions.
In most latin american countries the catholic church controls the governemnt. (and their economies always suck I might ad) The pres has to be a baptised member to take office! And yet nobody is affraid of letting a catholic take office even their church has a history of taking over entire countries.
No civil liberties are at risk here from the mormons. They are tolerant people and the good members tend to make the best neighbors.
Massachusetts' state supreme court has compelled the Commonwealth to honor gay marriage. I know people who think Mormonism's practice of polygamy is wrong but they chase every skirt available, and they are very married. People are as they are; religion has no place in politics.
Why is Romney's religion an issue now? Has he ever behaved in an unethical or prejudicial way. Has he performed his public duties guided by his religious principles in conflict with his constitutional oath of office? What exactly is the problem that promotes this rediculous debate?
We have two divorced catholic senators, one of whom is an internationally known philanderer, one gay rep who housed a man operating a male prostituion ring, a former gay rep who was censured by the House for inappropriate conduct with a male congressional page, a former president who committed perjury to conceal an in-White House affair with an intern and on and on. We also have an apparently ethical and competent governor who is a Mormon, never divorced. Will he have four 1st ladies? Good!
It is clear to any serious student of Mormon doctrine that the "Mormon Church" does not believe "that the order of heaven is polygamy." You will find individual people within the Mormon Church who might believe that (including some people with leadership positions), but they are in a rapidly declining minority and in any case have no authority to determine Church doctrine on the matter. Indeed, the Church itself takes no doctrinal stance on whether polygamy has anything to do with heaven (although its stance against polygamist groups is no secret) -- just as it takes no doctrinal stance on (and, more relevantly, makes no doctrinal negations of) other doctrinally irrelevant issues. People who claim otherwise tend, based on my experience, to have an incomplete understanding of how the Mormon doctrine of revelation and the Mormon hierarchy function -- and perhaps understandably so, particularly if the observer's comparative frame of reference is the Catholic Church, whose hierarchy and revelation doctrine function very differently.
In the Mormon Church, if a man is married in the temple "for eternity" and his wife dies, he can marry another woman in the temple - and they supposedly will both be his wives in the Celestial Kingdom (Mormon heaven) If the husband dies instead, and his wife marries again, she can only marry "for time". A man can have more then one wife in Mormon heaven.
VOTE ROMNEY because his history shows that he will be the better president. I think everyone is afraid the LDS church will take credit if he really is the best.
nobody likes to eat their words afterall, especially fanatics who accuse others of being a devil cult.
Butthen fanatics never concern themselves with facts or evidences.
Romney has my vote. He´s looks like he´ll at the very least put forth his best effort to serve his country.
Mel: You're simply wrong on that doctrinal point. Your anti-Mormon literature is too old.
I think Romney will get a pass on religion. Don't think religion will be an issue in the campaign. Early in the primary season, at least, I think he'll be an attractive candidate.
O'B.
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We used to play with Ronald Reagan the same way.
So of course, I must take this individual seriously.
Do I want a president who's religion sanctions polygamy? to this day, in fact. Fundamentalism is alive and well in the world of Mormon. And it is the worlds fastest growing religion.
Take that, Jesus Christ.