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Jack & Dona on Wind Turbine Noise
01/19/06 · 2:27 pm :: posted by CCToday
Since we only have room for a few headlines, cct is giving you BOTH sides of this particular argument in one take:
Jack on the turbine noiseFrom the Massachusetts Energy Facilities Siting Board, in its decision last May to approve Cape Wind's request to connect its turbines to the regional grid -
"Based on the record, the Siting Board finds that, while the wind farm may be audible onshore when meteorological conditions permit, the noise levels produced by the wind farm would be lower than background noise levels onshore, and would not result in a perceptible increase in the overall noise levels at shore locations.
"The record does not contain information on the potential changes in noise levels at other locations that would result from the less frequent operation of generators displaced by the wind farm. However, the Siting Board notes that many fossil-fueled generators are located in close proximity to residential areas and result in significant increases in overall noise levels when operating... Read the read here.
Dona on the turbine noiseThe biggest problem with large-scale wind-powered electricity generation is the grid. A home system can work well because the fluctuating output (even in the windiest places it is highly variable) can be regulated by batteries or flywheels, and another source (the grid or a gas-powered generator) is tied in to kick in when need be. This is the model where larger systems work in isolated villages, too.
But industrial-scale wind plants designed to supply the grid do not work well, even where the wind is superb. The grid is meant to respond to demand, constantly modulating the various suppliers to match the demand exactly. Wind plants respond only to the wind, forcing the more controllable "conventional" plants to change their output in response to wind production as well as to grid demand. And the need to respond within seconds to a drop in wind production requires a plant that runs more inefficiently than one that could run if the grid didn't have to cope with the unpredictable fluctuations of significant wind-powered sources. That is to say, wind farms may actually cause more fossil fuel burning... Read the rest here.
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Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Brian what is the matter with you? Cape Wind does not what you to be thinking ahead like that, as you do. The People are supposed to be thinking that Cape Wind will generate 75% of our electricity on the Cape no matter what the conditions... It just isn't in their best interest for people to connect the dots, apply logic and relaize that they will simply not be able to deliver on their promises. And of course, in the meantime the Sound is sacrificed for nothing.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Magical, the only reason for anyone to believe that "Cape Wind will generate 75% of our electricity on the Cape no matter what the conditions" is because of wind farm opponents like you making that claim. If you are genuinely interested in elevating the discussion, you should stop making demonstrably false claims and implying that they are coming from those who disagree with you.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Correct me if I am reading this wrong but here is the claim. The proposed wind farm consisting of 130 turbines is projected to deliver 170 megawatts of average power and approximately 420 megawatts of peak power [1] which will supply three-quarters of the power consumed on the Cape and Islands [2], and
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
PS. No disclaimer there, I might add Jack.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Magical, the operative word there is "average" - as in, on average over the course of a year. The wind farm will not, as you claim, "generate 75% of our electricity on the Cape no matter what the conditions" - such as, if there were no wind. Perhaps that disclaimer you allude to should state - "Needless to say, the turbines will not generate electricity in the absence of wind, despite what opponents claim proponents are claiming."
Why Cape Wind's opponents so often have difficulty understanding averages remains an enduring wind farm mystery.
Why Cape Wind's opponents so often have difficulty understanding averages remains an enduring wind farm mystery.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Here is why Jack... The statement people make is "Cape Wind will supply 75% of the Cape's energy needs". No one looks for the discalimer (average?)... that is what marketing is all about. The statement is misleading at best.
Brian [Visitor] writes:
I understand now but it is confusing. The 100 million dollar question is how much energy will the wind plant produce that will actually be used to turn on the lights? 170 megawatts? That's doesn't quite power up the entire Cape. Consider a nuclear power plant produces over 2000 megawatts of clean power 24/7!
The wind power plant is looking more and more like a fireman peeing on a fire!
The wind power plant is looking more and more like a fireman peeing on a fire!
Brian [Visitor] writes:
Call your Senator and make sure that shipping lane bill passes so these bumbleheads can't ruin the sound so they can say we have wind a power plant!
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Good point Brian... gonna get right on that call!
Wedge [Member] writes:
Nuclear plants produce clean power? What is that waste pool full of? If it's so clean why doesn't anyone in the country want the byproduct of these plants? So we save the world by not producing green house gas while the south shore becomes a nuclear waste dump site. That's logical.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Magical, I'll take your word for it that the statement you are citing came from Cape Wind or Clean Power Now, but in the future it would be helpful to cite the source. I agree with you that the claim should be more specific.
That being said, I'm not sure how allegedly misleading claims by Cape Wind or Clean Power Now justify misleading claims by you. To use a baseball analogy, if the team I'm playing against is cheating, I don't resort to cheating, I play harder.
I could not help notice that, once again, you've taken a discussion about one thing - how audible the Cape Wind turbines would be - and tried to steer it in a different direction.
That being said, I'm not sure how allegedly misleading claims by Cape Wind or Clean Power Now justify misleading claims by you. To use a baseball analogy, if the team I'm playing against is cheating, I don't resort to cheating, I play harder.
I could not help notice that, once again, you've taken a discussion about one thing - how audible the Cape Wind turbines would be - and tried to steer it in a different direction.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Jack... what are my misleading claims? And... keep in mind that I am an individual and am entitled to my opinions. I am not advertising or marketing a product to the public with misleading claims about it's benefits. FYI The statement was from the Clean Power now Fact Sheet on their web site.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
PS. I didn't make this post... but if you will go past its title you will see that I am discussing exactly what is there in terms of my blog and the comments raised by Brian.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
While reading thru these comments, Magical, I began to wonder if I am too inclined to give you the benefit of a doubt. At one point you attribute the source of the claim to "people" - that certainly narrows it down - and then you cited the Clean Power Now website. Perhaps you'd be willing to quote it exactly and provide a link to the specific part of the site where it can be found.
Rhode Islander [Visitor] writes:
Jack,
Follow these simple directions if you can.
1) Go to Cape Wind’s main webpage. http://www.capewind.org/index.php
2) Read the following at the top of the page;
“Miles from the nearest shore Cape Wind will use the clean, inexhaustible power of wind to provide three-quarters of the Cape and Islands electricity.”
Follow these simple directions if you can.
1) Go to Cape Wind’s main webpage. http://www.capewind.org/index.php
2) Read the following at the top of the page;
“Miles from the nearest shore Cape Wind will use the clean, inexhaustible power of wind to provide three-quarters of the Cape and Islands electricity.”
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Time to learn something new? The missing component in our Nations power mix is energy storage. You have all heard about the "peak"? Then logic prevails there must be an "off peak"
There is enough "SURPLUS" energy on our Nations power grids to power hundreds of millions of homes just going to waste.
See:www.mrelectricity.com on how to store energy in our homes and save $$$
See http://currentenergy.lbl.gov/ny, or
http://energycrisis.lbl.gov/ny, or
www.caiso.com at this site tab on todays outlook then enlarge the graph. Under the graph add up the "SURPLUS" in the red bars. The downward trend in the load while the sun is out is from Solar & Wind adding more "SURPLUS". The missing component is energy storage.
There is enough "SURPLUS" energy on our Nations power grids to power hundreds of millions of homes just going to waste.
See:www.mrelectricity.com on how to store energy in our homes and save $$$
See http://currentenergy.lbl.gov/ny, or
http://energycrisis.lbl.gov/ny, or
www.caiso.com at this site tab on todays outlook then enlarge the graph. Under the graph add up the "SURPLUS" in the red bars. The downward trend in the load while the sun is out is from Solar & Wind adding more "SURPLUS". The missing component is energy storage.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Thank you Rhode Islander.
Jack, as to my referring "people" also... I am referring to Cape Winds claim to provide three-quarters of the Cape and Islands electricity is what people, specifically pro wind bloggers on this site, quote as fact. And that as we know is a misrepresentation of the facts. But people repeat it, like a slogan, because it not only sounds good but I think because they believe it to be true.
Jack, as to my referring "people" also... I am referring to Cape Winds claim to provide three-quarters of the Cape and Islands electricity is what people, specifically pro wind bloggers on this site, quote as fact. And that as we know is a misrepresentation of the facts. But people repeat it, like a slogan, because it not only sounds good but I think because they believe it to be true.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Thank you Green energy for this useful comment and links.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
You may want to scroll back through the comments, Rhode Islander. I have little doubt that you are capable of that. Magical cited Clean Power Now as the source of that assertion and when I challenged her to state specifically where it came from, she came back empty-handed. I've come to expect this from her. It has apparently never occurred to her that the reason "people" say things that aren't accurate about the wind farm is because other "people," like her, are busy perpetuating myths about the wind farm.
Take another look at the line you are quoting, Rhode Islander - it does not state that Cape Wind would generate three-quarters of the Cape and islands' electricity "no matter what the conditions."
Take another look at the line you are quoting, Rhode Islander - it does not state that Cape Wind would generate three-quarters of the Cape and islands' electricity "no matter what the conditions."
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Brian, the Pilgrim plant generates nowhere near 2,000 megawatts; its capacity is around 663 MW. And Pilgrim's electricity is "clean" in the narrow sense that the plant does not emit greenhouse gases. Every single fuel rod every used at the plant remains at the site and will remain dirty for an awfully long time. And we are adding 30 tons more to the pool every year.
Pilgrim also requires millions of gallons of water to cool its turbines, as do fossil-fuel burning plants like Canal Electric and Brayton Point, water that is then discharged back into the body of water it came from.
Hard as it is to believe, some people are more worried about 40,000 gallons of mineral oil in Cape Wind's transformer platform on Nantucket Sound than they are about nearly 1,000 tons of radioactive waste at the Pilgrim plant just across Cape Cod Bay.
Pilgrim also requires millions of gallons of water to cool its turbines, as do fossil-fuel burning plants like Canal Electric and Brayton Point, water that is then discharged back into the body of water it came from.
Hard as it is to believe, some people are more worried about 40,000 gallons of mineral oil in Cape Wind's transformer platform on Nantucket Sound than they are about nearly 1,000 tons of radioactive waste at the Pilgrim plant just across Cape Cod Bay.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Jack you may want to scroll back to see that I did not as you claim come back empty handed. Pay attention, if you will to the last sentence.
Magical Eye (registered blogger) writes:
Jack... what are my misleading claims? And... keep in mind that I am an individual and am entitled to my opinions. I am not advertising or marketing a product to the public with misleading claims about it's benefits. FYI The statement was from the Clean Power now Fact Sheet on their web site.
Magical Eye (registered blogger) writes:
Jack... what are my misleading claims? And... keep in mind that I am an individual and am entitled to my opinions. I am not advertising or marketing a product to the public with misleading claims about it's benefits. FYI The statement was from the Clean Power now Fact Sheet on their web site.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Interesting Jack that the Dept. of Interior is also interested in this issue without clouding it with irrelavent issues like Pilgrim.
You wrote:Hard as it is to believe, some people are more worried about 40,000 gallons of mineral oil in Cape Wind's transformer platform on Nantucket Sound than they are about nearly 1,000 tons of radioactive waste at the Pilgrim plant just across Cape Cod Bay.
You wrote:Hard as it is to believe, some people are more worried about 40,000 gallons of mineral oil in Cape Wind's transformer platform on Nantucket Sound than they are about nearly 1,000 tons of radioactive waste at the Pilgrim plant just across Cape Cod Bay.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
PS. Jack no Cape Wind doesn't state "no matter what the conditions" exactly the point I was making.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Where'd ya go Jack? Are you reading the DOI's comments concerning the flawed DEIS that you keep quoting as gospel in an attempt to put any and all opponents down?
Great Gadfly [Visitor] writes:
Jack,
You are quite right about the issues we face at Pilgrim in Plymouth. However, do not deflect the Cape Wind debate by saying as in some kindergarten school-yard tussle, "Oh yeah....well what about that other problem?" Stick to the issue at hand, Cape Wind's plan.
You are quite right about the issues we face at Pilgrim in Plymouth. However, do not deflect the Cape Wind debate by saying as in some kindergarten school-yard tussle, "Oh yeah....well what about that other problem?" Stick to the issue at hand, Cape Wind's plan.
Great Gadfly [Visitor] writes:
Meye,
If Jack does read the DOI comments he will have to find another 'authoritative scource' for his continued denial of the issue arising from Gordon's proposal. As I have said from the git-go, would it not have been in everyone's best interest for the Corps to have done their original job right? If I were a Cape Wind supporter I would be furious at the Corps for having blown the chance to broom this thing to a fast permit. Arrogance rhymes with ignorance and the Corps has plenty of both.
If Jack does read the DOI comments he will have to find another 'authoritative scource' for his continued denial of the issue arising from Gordon's proposal. As I have said from the git-go, would it not have been in everyone's best interest for the Corps to have done their original job right? If I were a Cape Wind supporter I would be furious at the Corps for having blown the chance to broom this thing to a fast permit. Arrogance rhymes with ignorance and the Corps has plenty of both.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
GG... the most disturbing thing is the idea that Cape Wind could be grandfathered in where this is concerned... what are your thoughts?
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Magical etc. Reminder... The DOI document to which you are refering is over a year and a half old.
I will hazard a guess (in other words "I will speculate"... see: Not that hard to say!) at this point what ever that was going to be resolved has been and what ever has not been will not be. The final decision will be based in what is in the best overall public interest.
GG... in reality it is a blessing that Minerals Management has taken the lead... puts to rest many of the spurlious claims of the (organized)oppositon quite nicely!
I will hazard a guess (in other words "I will speculate"... see: Not that hard to say!) at this point what ever that was going to be resolved has been and what ever has not been will not be. The final decision will be based in what is in the best overall public interest.
GG... in reality it is a blessing that Minerals Management has taken the lead... puts to rest many of the spurlious claims of the (organized)oppositon quite nicely!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
P.s. Magical and I (I am on waivers I think... or have a 'get out of jail card') are discussing and checking into the DOI document etc in one of her earlier posts. And hopefully, will make some headway on that as well as alleged unusually high Electric rates in Denmark etc. Go Girl.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Well Peckham... why didn't you know about the DOI comments? Being over a year plus old means nothing. they have requested a supplemental DEIS... as are many organizations. Where is that? Were the DOI comments on the DEIS disclosed and published on Cape Wind and Clean Power Now websites for their members and supporters review? IF not, why not? If Cape Wind were addressing those concerns why haven't those been disclosed to its supporters? And if Cape Wind were addressing them at all why would they continue to use the flawed DEIS as their proof to just about each and every issue raised? And allow their supporters, the media etc. to do the same?
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Hard as it is for you to believe, Magical, there are times when I am actually away from my computer. Who knows how much electricity would be saved if you did likewise. Weren't you the one touting the virtues of conservation a short while ago?
Simply repeating that "the statement was from the Clean Power now Fact Sheet on their web site" doesn't clarify the issue, but apparently you have no interest in clarifying it. Better to muddy the waters - that way you never have to back up your claims when challenged.
Simply repeating that "the statement was from the Clean Power now Fact Sheet on their web site" doesn't clarify the issue, but apparently you have no interest in clarifying it. Better to muddy the waters - that way you never have to back up your claims when challenged.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Give it up Magical...
As noted, these documents are really OLD! OLD NEWS! Your dredging up the past... try something new & relivent(sp?). Don't recall saying I did not see them at all. I honestly (remember you liked that?) don't recall what the resolution was at the time if any. You are a little parinoid thinking someone / organization is trying to hide something huh? Your on a loosing witch hunt. If it were the case... because you are relativly new to the issue... I will respectfully suggest you check the 'Alliances' site... and, IF this were an issue you can be sure it would be FRONT PAGE! Will gander to say it is not. As stated I will find out refresh my memory and bring you up to speed.
The supplemental DEIS if required will come out after public hearings due to occur this summer I believe, so you have plenty of time to PREPARE yourself so no embarrassing or irrelivent questions are raised. I encourage you to become a bit more informed about the project and the factual arguments on both sides... At the same time I will try to be a bit more understanding and condsiderate.
As noted, these documents are really OLD! OLD NEWS! Your dredging up the past... try something new & relivent(sp?). Don't recall saying I did not see them at all. I honestly (remember you liked that?) don't recall what the resolution was at the time if any. You are a little parinoid thinking someone / organization is trying to hide something huh? Your on a loosing witch hunt. If it were the case... because you are relativly new to the issue... I will respectfully suggest you check the 'Alliances' site... and, IF this were an issue you can be sure it would be FRONT PAGE! Will gander to say it is not. As stated I will find out refresh my memory and bring you up to speed.
The supplemental DEIS if required will come out after public hearings due to occur this summer I believe, so you have plenty of time to PREPARE yourself so no embarrassing or irrelivent questions are raised. I encourage you to become a bit more informed about the project and the factual arguments on both sides... At the same time I will try to be a bit more understanding and condsiderate.
Great Gadfly [Visitor] writes:
Meye,
Don't know....I am still digesting and trying to interepret the sifnificance of the Oceam Management Act. This is all beginning to resemble a bad and very long opera. Where was this Bill before Gordon applied to the Corps? It was well known what he was intending because he told us all.
Peck,
Denmark's electric rates are not 'alleged'...they are roughly double ours. And, remember, Department of Interior complained about the Army Corps' process DURING the DEIS review...they felt shut out. And they were not the only agency to feel that way. Still, Gordon and his supporters continue to claim that all is well, that the Corps' review was thourough, fair and all-inclusive; satisfying all requirements for inquiry and comment. We now KNOW that was not true.
Don't know....I am still digesting and trying to interepret the sifnificance of the Oceam Management Act. This is all beginning to resemble a bad and very long opera. Where was this Bill before Gordon applied to the Corps? It was well known what he was intending because he told us all.
Peck,
Denmark's electric rates are not 'alleged'...they are roughly double ours. And, remember, Department of Interior complained about the Army Corps' process DURING the DEIS review...they felt shut out. And they were not the only agency to feel that way. Still, Gordon and his supporters continue to claim that all is well, that the Corps' review was thourough, fair and all-inclusive; satisfying all requirements for inquiry and comment. We now KNOW that was not true.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Gadfly, the debate about Cape Wind is not taking place in a vacuum. Pointing out why offshore wind power is a better way to go leads inevitably to a discussion of other forms of electricity production. Opponents of the wind farm are quick to point out the benefits of electricity generated from sources other than wind, and that is their perogative - just as it is my perogative to point out the drawbacks of those sources.
In effect, you are saying - don't go there. How would you react if I suggested this to you about any specific aspect of the wind farm? Is it a stretch for me to suggest that you'd do the opposite?
In effect, you are saying - don't go there. How would you react if I suggested this to you about any specific aspect of the wind farm? Is it a stretch for me to suggest that you'd do the opposite?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Jack what are you talking about? You asked for the source and I told you where it was. What more did you want? I am really interested in knowing.
You even wrote: Magical, I'll take your word for it that the statement you are citing came from Cape Wind or Clean Power Now, but in the future it would be helpful to cite the source. I agree with you that the claim should be more specific." You agreed and now you are taking it back?
You even wrote: Magical, I'll take your word for it that the statement you are citing came from Cape Wind or Clean Power Now, but in the future it would be helpful to cite the source. I agree with you that the claim should be more specific." You agreed and now you are taking it back?
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Gadfly, Again I asked Magical for the "source". Defend the statement. I will ask you the same. Where does this information come from? I want to verify it myself.
Addtionally, I asked Magical for other pertanant infomation relitive to other areas in Denmark and how their electric rates compared if they were on the recieving end of a wind farms electricity. Rather than repeating my entire request... which as usual was duely igored by her by saying in essence why that is too much work and why don't you or someone else do it...
If you don't mind Gadfly please check the numerous posts yesterday and today and you may get a better feel for why I (and Jack) feel the way we do as far as realistic and authentic response from her.
Being a true believer in this project I have no doubt that in due course it will be approved regardless of all our bickering about whether the Corps DEIS (remember it was a FIRST 'DRAFT') was adequate enough to proceed with the project. I would there should / would certainly be questions and suggestions, etc. That's what it is all about. The process!
Addtionally, I asked Magical for other pertanant infomation relitive to other areas in Denmark and how their electric rates compared if they were on the recieving end of a wind farms electricity. Rather than repeating my entire request... which as usual was duely igored by her by saying in essence why that is too much work and why don't you or someone else do it...
If you don't mind Gadfly please check the numerous posts yesterday and today and you may get a better feel for why I (and Jack) feel the way we do as far as realistic and authentic response from her.
Being a true believer in this project I have no doubt that in due course it will be approved regardless of all our bickering about whether the Corps DEIS (remember it was a FIRST 'DRAFT') was adequate enough to proceed with the project. I would there should / would certainly be questions and suggestions, etc. That's what it is all about. The process!
Wedge [Member] writes:
Maybe if all the government subsidies were figured in to our cost of electricity than ours would be more expensive than the Danish. Nuclear waste has to be babysat for thousands of years. Decommisioning plants isn't cheap either. Who knows how much the government spends on things like evacuation etc.? Not sure how people feel this information isn't relavent to the wind farm. We need electricity and we have choices. All of them have drawbacks. Some are lethal for decades and some are eyesores. Pick your poison I guess.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
you know Peckham you can ask but that doesn't mean I will jump and do the work for you. This is an interest of yours. DO THE RESEARCH. But I doubt you will get car since as I said in my post back to you "Unfortunately, a lot of research would need to be done to compare electric rates from Denmark and other countries. Someone has probably done it but I wouldn't want to attempt it myself.. that one I will leave to those who have methods and staffs for collecting such data." Go for it man! You certainly are a lazy dude... twice today you asked me to email you links I sent in response to your comments cause you can't do the typing! OYE!
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
No poison for me Pilgrim. Push the gov't for clean renewables that aren;t going to damage the envrionment and will be cost effective.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Magical, Have you ever considered running for office?
You make all these wild statements and refuse to back them up by quoting from your source.
You post an impossibly long link and then say: go for it! I'm not asking for you to do anything but "quote directly from your source".
This indicates to me... You or your source (like you) is unreliable with
no basis in fact or it is imagined (like magic) information or fantacy.
Again, you make statements that you do not document in fact.
Boring!
You make all these wild statements and refuse to back them up by quoting from your source.
You post an impossibly long link and then say: go for it! I'm not asking for you to do anything but "quote directly from your source".
This indicates to me... You or your source (like you) is unreliable with
no basis in fact or it is imagined (like magic) information or fantacy.
Again, you make statements that you do not document in fact.
Boring!
Wedge [Member] writes:
Magical, I guess you are living in a dream world. There is no magic cure for our energy production problems. They all come with costs. Instead of spending your life fighting one of the cleaner alternatives why not push for the alternatives you think are better. Educate the kids about these things so maybe they will change the way it's done. If something doesn't happen soon...we are in trouble.
Wedge [Member] writes:
Two more miners found dead. Another dirty way to make electricity and a good reason to find other ways.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
You have the statement and you have the source... peckham. Now you are getting obnoxious and boring. Rave on!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Na da Magical... We have YOUR quote saying the rates were amoungst the highest in the WORLD! We do NOT have a quote from a source... that you suggest is reliable (or not).
Likewise, you have not NAMED your source as I have requested about 10 times now.
One could presume if there was an ACTUAL source you could at least NAME IT? NO? Why not? Afraid someone would check your source? I think THAT IS THE ANSWER.
The only reason you feel I am getting obnoxious is because... I am not letting you off the hook (please help her Capt. Jack!) as far as coming foreth with definative answers.
I would venture to say most others don't think our posts have been boring... possibly entertaining watching you try to squirm your way out of this one.
For what it is worth hope you others check out Magicals "Against the Wind" blog postings I think you will find she is just a blowin' in it again.
Still no link as you said you did... 5 minutes ago anyway.
Why not just come out with it? Name the source!
Chicken?
~Squawk~!
Likewise, you have not NAMED your source as I have requested about 10 times now.
One could presume if there was an ACTUAL source you could at least NAME IT? NO? Why not? Afraid someone would check your source? I think THAT IS THE ANSWER.
The only reason you feel I am getting obnoxious is because... I am not letting you off the hook (please help her Capt. Jack!) as far as coming foreth with definative answers.
I would venture to say most others don't think our posts have been boring... possibly entertaining watching you try to squirm your way out of this one.
For what it is worth hope you others check out Magicals "Against the Wind" blog postings I think you will find she is just a blowin' in it again.
Still no link as you said you did... 5 minutes ago anyway.
Why not just come out with it? Name the source!
Chicken?
~Squawk~!
Rhode Islander [Visitor] writes:
Stephen,
Here is one quote supporting Magical’s statement about Denmark. I've seen others. I'll be happy to look into it further for you.
"In 2004, Denmark’s average electricity cost for residential customers was the third highest in Europe. [13] That year, the national government cut subsidies to the wind industry, and just five turbines were built."
Source-
“Why energy conservation trumps windmills”
http://www.greenberkshires.org/wind_power_postings/why_energy_conservation.html#ftnt_ref13
Here is one quote supporting Magical’s statement about Denmark. I've seen others. I'll be happy to look into it further for you.
"In 2004, Denmark’s average electricity cost for residential customers was the third highest in Europe. [13] That year, the national government cut subsidies to the wind industry, and just five turbines were built."
Source-
“Why energy conservation trumps windmills”
http://www.greenberkshires.org/wind_power_postings/why_energy_conservation.html#ftnt_ref13
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Thank you Rhode Islander. I have seen others too and sent a link to one but now, maybe we can get back to the issues at hand.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Magical writes - "Jack what are you talking about? You asked for the source and I told you where it was. What more did you want? I am really interested in knowing."
Are you really, Magical? Perhaps you'd be willing to prove that and dispel my doubts.
For you to cite Clean Power Now as a source, without being more specific, is like me citing capecodtoday.com as a source - and not saying what specifically was said and where a person can find it.
In your first comment in this thread, you wrote - "The People are supposed to be thinking that Cape Wind will generate 75% of our electricity on the Cape no matter what the conditions."
No matter what the conditions - such as a dead calm? Tell you what - I will donate $100 to the Alliance if you can cite where Clean Power Now, or Cape Wind, has ever claimed that the wind farm will generate electricity when the wind isn't blowing. And if you can't back up your assertion, you donate $100 to Clean Power Now.
Here's your chance to demonstrate that you are really interested in knowing.
Are you really, Magical? Perhaps you'd be willing to prove that and dispel my doubts.
For you to cite Clean Power Now as a source, without being more specific, is like me citing capecodtoday.com as a source - and not saying what specifically was said and where a person can find it.
In your first comment in this thread, you wrote - "The People are supposed to be thinking that Cape Wind will generate 75% of our electricity on the Cape no matter what the conditions."
No matter what the conditions - such as a dead calm? Tell you what - I will donate $100 to the Alliance if you can cite where Clean Power Now, or Cape Wind, has ever claimed that the wind farm will generate electricity when the wind isn't blowing. And if you can't back up your assertion, you donate $100 to Clean Power Now.
Here's your chance to demonstrate that you are really interested in knowing.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
In response to Rhode Islander - any idea how many coal miners lost their lives in Denmark in recent years, or how much it costs Danish taxpayers for the health costs of miners with black lung disease? Quite often the price we pay for energy isn't listed on the electric bill.
Since Denmark has such high electricity costs and all those wind turbines, why is it that New Englanders pay the highest electricity costs in the US - and yet there so few wind turbines in New England.
Since Denmark has such high electricity costs and all those wind turbines, why is it that New Englanders pay the highest electricity costs in the US - and yet there so few wind turbines in New England.
Rhode Islander [Visitor] writes:
Jack ,
If Denmark is the 'model' we should be following, is it reasonable to predict that New England energy prices will climb even higher if Cape Wind is built. Yes? No?
If Denmark is the 'model' we should be following, is it reasonable to predict that New England energy prices will climb even higher if Cape Wind is built. Yes? No?
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Ok Rhode Islander, will check our your 'green birkshire' link. Will sumize it will be a good one coming from an anti wind group!
And no poo... doesn't take a Magical to figure out that conservation trumps windmills, or for that fact any 'green' source OR dirty one for that fact... let me ask you this: Who is going to make everyone comply with so called 'conservation' implementation? ANSWER: Not a damn soul. It is an impossible task that most really don't don't give a damn about. If our electicity rates were to quadruple... maybe.
But then again give it a few more years... geeze... "I wish we had a fixed price contract for our electricity with Cape Wind"... What a bunch of DUMMIES.
And no poo... doesn't take a Magical to figure out that conservation trumps windmills, or for that fact any 'green' source OR dirty one for that fact... let me ask you this: Who is going to make everyone comply with so called 'conservation' implementation? ANSWER: Not a damn soul. It is an impossible task that most really don't don't give a damn about. If our electicity rates were to quadruple... maybe.
But then again give it a few more years... geeze... "I wish we had a fixed price contract for our electricity with Cape Wind"... What a bunch of DUMMIES.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Magical, You say you have sent me the link to my email address (s.peckham@comcast.net) for your source relative to your assertations to Denmark having one of the highest elecric rates in the world. Have yet to get it... Why not? Afraid you did not quote your source as quoted? No source exists? Have been asking all day for this info and you have not been forthcoming. Make belive this is... South Carolina(?) 'The Show Me' state!
Come on now, you can do it if you try!
Go ahead... show everyone you are for real... Quote your source...Who said it besides you? You can do it if you try!
Come on now, you can do it if you try!
Go ahead... show everyone you are for real... Quote your source...Who said it besides you? You can do it if you try!
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Oh, I get it, Rhode Islander, you want me to answer a question from you, after you ignore a question from me. I'd be more than happy to respond to your query if you would be willing to demonstrate some reciprocity - again, if you are making a correlation between an abundance of wind power in Denmark and high electricity prices, those of us living in New England, where few wind turbines have been built, ought to be paying low prices for electricity - except we don't. How come?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Coleman and Peckham sitting in a tree k i s s i n g. They come from the right they come from the left they come from the bottom cause that is their best. Have to say boys, you are about as entertaining, informative and truthful as bad television.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
And Peckham nice try on getting my email address. I have no intention of giving it to you and you know it. Sorry little man but you are going to have to copy that link and paste it into your browser.
Anonymous [Visitor] writes:
magical eye you're so far out there it's not funny come up with solutions you are so obsessed with this! you've been with birds so long that you've developed a bird brain
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Thank you Anonymous, I will take that as a compliment. :)
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Anonoymous... You are so right - Magical is funny all right!
First she makes the claim that Denmark has the highest electric rates in the world.
Then after at least a dozen requests from me to document her source by way of putting in print on this blog... THE NAME OF THE SOURCE... she does & will not... she ignors the request!
Why? Because very simply there is no such source!!!
She sends along a link that is a mile long that would be wraught with mistakes if anyone let alone I tried to type it in.
At my request she tells me she has sent the link to me via email after I tell her I would NEVER contact her by email... EVEN THOUGH I told her that she had already posted her address to someone else! And I could contact her if I wanted... BUT I WOULD NOT... Doesn't that fall under the category of "integrity"?
Now... She tells me I am trying to get her email address - THAT IS SO FUNNY!!!
I repeat: Magical you have no source, you post crap on this site and then do not back it up when asked.
YOU LIE & TWIST THE FACTS about the wind farm... That's a FACT!!! (Jack)
First she makes the claim that Denmark has the highest electric rates in the world.
Then after at least a dozen requests from me to document her source by way of putting in print on this blog... THE NAME OF THE SOURCE... she does & will not... she ignors the request!
Why? Because very simply there is no such source!!!
She sends along a link that is a mile long that would be wraught with mistakes if anyone let alone I tried to type it in.
At my request she tells me she has sent the link to me via email after I tell her I would NEVER contact her by email... EVEN THOUGH I told her that she had already posted her address to someone else! And I could contact her if I wanted... BUT I WOULD NOT... Doesn't that fall under the category of "integrity"?
Now... She tells me I am trying to get her email address - THAT IS SO FUNNY!!!
I repeat: Magical you have no source, you post crap on this site and then do not back it up when asked.
YOU LIE & TWIST THE FACTS about the wind farm... That's a FACT!!! (Jack)
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Okay Peckham... I will post this to all of the blogs you have gone to to post your pathetic attempt for attention from me. Here we go! “Peckham this is the last time I will address this issue for you in any way. Copy the link and paste it into your browser. If you can't figure it out go find a child and they can do it for you.”
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Magical... don't want your attention. I could care less if you ever address me again. Just this one time...
Quite simply... in case you don't understand... what I want is for you to...
NAME the... SOURCE!
Problems with that?
Quite simply... in case you don't understand... what I want is for you to...
NAME the... SOURCE!
Problems with that?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Do you know that Denmark has one of the highest incomes in all of Europe?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Okay gang... Peckham is obviously someone who really needs attention. Let's all focus our thoughts and our lives on him and send him our complete and undivided attention today!
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
PS. Peckham...Mommie says NO! You can have all the temper tantrums you want but all you are going to get is a Time Out.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Ok gang... let's all ask Magical...
WHY?
She refuses to post the NAME of her source?
Obviously, she has a problem with that for a reason... Hmmmmm
VALIDITY?
WHY?
She refuses to post the NAME of her source?
Obviously, she has a problem with that for a reason... Hmmmmm
VALIDITY?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Peckham,
I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, don't expect facts to get in the way with Magical.
I had asked her to provide facts on a post and was of accused of not having her lofty environmental credentials to deserve a response.
I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, don't expect facts to get in the way with Magical.
I had asked her to provide facts on a post and was of accused of not having her lofty environmental credentials to deserve a response.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
This is what you get when you deal with the "Black Magic"
Magical Eye (registered blogger) writes:
PS. Just so you know who you are arguing with... I have worked in the environmental field for over 25 years. Some of my researh has resulted in helping in the removal of two important toxins from our environment. this removal doesn't only help the birds it helps the people live in a safer and healthier place. Now, what is your background, might I ask? Just to see if we are on a level playing field.
Magical Eye (registered blogger) writes:
PS. Just so you know who you are arguing with... I have worked in the environmental field for over 25 years. Some of my researh has resulted in helping in the removal of two important toxins from our environment. this removal doesn't only help the birds it helps the people live in a safer and healthier place. Now, what is your background, might I ask? Just to see if we are on a level playing field.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Thank you for posting my credentials. How thoughtful of you.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
KMA... Let's see now - Magical won't provide facts to Jack, KMA, or me.
The point being, is this behaviour is that of one who lacks credibility AND intregrity.
Seemingly, she has MASTERED the concepts.
At least it is becoming obvious to more than just a few of us.
The point being, is this behaviour is that of one who lacks credibility AND intregrity.
Seemingly, she has MASTERED the concepts.
At least it is becoming obvious to more than just a few of us.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Peckham and KMA, Mommie has left the building to find adults who would like to discuss the issues. Enjoy children!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
KMA... You get an 'A' for your observation!
Spit balls & PIG pile on MAGICAL!!!
Spit balls & PIG pile on MAGICAL!!!
KMA [Visitor] writes:
She's just like the kid with the shinny new baseball. It's my ball and I don't have to share it.
It's over Magical, your toast, times-up, we're on to you, you've lost all your credibility (or what little you had).
Elvis has left the building!
It's over Magical, your toast, times-up, we're on to you, you've lost all your credibility (or what little you had).
Elvis has left the building!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
KMA... NOTE: There are no adults stepping to the plate to defend Magical's... NOT posting her SOURCE!
Wonder why?
ANSWER: They ALL post their SOURCES... and have nothing to hide.
Can I have my gold star now teacher... now that the truth is out? (again)
Wonder why?
ANSWER: They ALL post their SOURCES... and have nothing to hide.
Can I have my gold star now teacher... now that the truth is out? (again)
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical writes: "Coleman and Peckham sitting in a tree... k i s s i n g.
And we're accused of being the children.
And we're accused of being the children.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
So much for being "really interested" in knowing, Magical. Perhaps if you were "really, really interested," you'd be able to cite the alleged source of your assertion, beyond a vague attribution to Clean Power Now. Once again when challenged, you scurry away like an octopus squirting dye to cloud the water. And after that off-the-wall (and homophobic) comment you made about me and Peckham, it is laughable for you to pontificate about the alleged lack of maturity of your opponents.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Actually, I like Jack... how about you? ;~)
Jack... Isn't she a pisser?
Now that I have experienced Magicals mode of operation first hand, why... I'm HUNGRY for more!!!
Right.
Jack... Isn't she a pisser?
Now that I have experienced Magicals mode of operation first hand, why... I'm HUNGRY for more!!!
Right.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
I wonder if that's why she loves the birds so much, unconditional love. No talking back or questioning her motive form them.
It's the human types she can't deal with.
It's the human types she can't deal with.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Mommy... can I PLEASE have my breakfast now?
"Ok, my child... just let me post the name of my SOURCE and the I will make you some oatmeal with strawberys, blueberrys and bananas... doesn't that sound good?"
"Ok, my child... just let me post the name of my SOURCE and the I will make you some oatmeal with strawberys, blueberrys and bananas... doesn't that sound good?"
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
KMA you may be on the right track there... I have it on good (albeit unnamed source) authority her favorite is ...TURKEY.
Gobble gobble...
Gobble gobble...
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Peckham, could be duck, as in duck the issue. Or crow, as in eat crow. Or as in loon, as in...well you get my point.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Peckham, you roguish hunk. You have no idea of all the unrequited love you've caused in P'town and Fire Island. Yes, Magical is a pisser and I'd like to see her get it right. I am not a gay man - I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Did you know that Denmark has a much higher rate of lesbianism than anyother country.
That's a fact, I just can't prove it.
That's a fact, I just can't prove it.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
I've got $5 saying by the end of the day we'll have another marginal post pulled off some obscure anti-wind site, posted by you know who.
Any takers?
Any takers?
Clare the Dane [Visitor] writes:
KMA, you're right about lesbians in Denmark. It is why we never have to wait for good carpentry.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Does any know Magicals er ah persuasion... I think she's kinda cute!
Na what am I talking about... would have to change the papers in her cage every day... fa-git-about-it!
Jack... Now you let the cat outta the bag. (watch out for Magical now!)I have done my best to keep your dirty little secret, so now you have opened yourself up... REVEAL YOUR SOURCE!
Ok KMA... you're on! I'm in... let's raise some money to send her to DENMARK to come back with some real FACTS for a change. Anyone else?
Clare... you disgusting animal you!
Magical come back we miss you!!!
Time to go check on her... make sure she is being fed well.
Later.
Na what am I talking about... would have to change the papers in her cage every day... fa-git-about-it!
Jack... Now you let the cat outta the bag. (watch out for Magical now!)I have done my best to keep your dirty little secret, so now you have opened yourself up... REVEAL YOUR SOURCE!
Ok KMA... you're on! I'm in... let's raise some money to send her to DENMARK to come back with some real FACTS for a change. Anyone else?
Clare... you disgusting animal you!
Magical come back we miss you!!!
Time to go check on her... make sure she is being fed well.
Later.
Sweddish Fish [Visitor] writes:
I wonder if that's where the saying: "something fishy in Denmark" came from?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Jack,KMA and SP...keep up the good work. Your attack mentality is just galvanizing the rest of us to explore and find realistic alternatives to this land/water grab by a greedy group hiding uder the cloak
of "environmentally friendly". This project contributes nothing to the environment of Nantucket Sound. What it does contribute is money to a chosen few at the expense of eveyone who uses and enjoys The Sound.
It was I who brought up the homophobic subject, not Magical. After reading the posts from the last few hours I would love to meet you folks in person. Bring Band Aids. Your sickening.
of "environmentally friendly". This project contributes nothing to the environment of Nantucket Sound. What it does contribute is money to a chosen few at the expense of eveyone who uses and enjoys The Sound.
It was I who brought up the homophobic subject, not Magical. After reading the posts from the last few hours I would love to meet you folks in person. Bring Band Aids. Your sickening.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Why, you're funny too Maverick... Just like Magical. She won't answer 'A' simple question and I we are attack dogs!
You sound like a child being raised by the d'Alliance's propaganda. Grow up.
Bring your bat your gonna need it! :-)
P.s. We'll bring the ball & gloves.
You sound like a child being raised by the d'Alliance's propaganda. Grow up.
Bring your bat your gonna need it! :-)
P.s. We'll bring the ball & gloves.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
SP...I won't need a bat just your presence.
I have tried to visualize you and all I see is "a sophmoric, selfish, egotistcal, idiotic mudslinger" trapped in a human's body. It troubles me that I have stooped down to your level.
Mea culpa, mea culpa.
P.S. We don't use bats we prefer harpoons.
I have tried to visualize you and all I see is "a sophmoric, selfish, egotistcal, idiotic mudslinger" trapped in a human's body. It troubles me that I have stooped down to your level.
Mea culpa, mea culpa.
P.S. We don't use bats we prefer harpoons.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Yes Maverick, I can relate. Always loved the saying "When you do battle with the devil you become one with it." Embarrassed to say I sometimes forget that one. :( Love your humor and patience. And believe me patience is a virtue here. Of course, being an Aries woman that virtue is not an easy one to live up to. Still I am trying, godgivemestrength, I am trying. :)
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Thanks for your thoughtful offer of Band-aids, "Maverick," let me see if I can get you a pair of crutches to prop up your argument. Then again, when you threaten violence against those with the gall to disagree with your rarefied views, you've already lost the argument. Hence the resort to tactics typically employed by Nazis (they ended up losing their argument too, by the way). Keep your fingers crossed that I do not meet an untimely demise through foul play because if so, you're the main suspect! And if you think online anonymity will protect you, well, you might want to speak with John Donelan about that.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Maverick is not anonymous. He has posted his identity for all to see, Jack.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
PS. Jack, it was your bud Peckman who brought up baseball bats (probably in fun but who knows with him...) in his post which was answered in fun by Maverick... amazing how you skew things.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
We do not need any more energy wind or otherwise. We are wasting enough energy on the grid everyday to power hundreds if not thousands of millions of homes. See my post yesterday at 1:00 PM for the web sites to see this yourself.
The missing component is off peak energy storage in our homes and closing dirty power plants. If you send an e-mail to bps1@gis.net I will send back a jpg photo of a system on the Cape in Orleans with the off peak timer function. The only thing needed now is for the Cape Light Compact to negotiate an off peak rate with their power provider for this homeowner to start saving money and reduce the peak load one home at a time.
A homeowner in CA has been going off the grid every weekday for 5 years and reduced his electric bill by 2/3 rds. on a time of use plan with PG&E
A homeowner cannot conserve more energy during the peak than 100%
See:www.mrelectricity.com
Be sure to reason out the Utilities do not turn down their generators just because the sun came out or the wind picks up, in fact they CANNOT!!!
The missing component is off peak energy storage in our homes and closing dirty power plants. If you send an e-mail to bps1@gis.net I will send back a jpg photo of a system on the Cape in Orleans with the off peak timer function. The only thing needed now is for the Cape Light Compact to negotiate an off peak rate with their power provider for this homeowner to start saving money and reduce the peak load one home at a time.
A homeowner in CA has been going off the grid every weekday for 5 years and reduced his electric bill by 2/3 rds. on a time of use plan with PG&E
A homeowner cannot conserve more energy during the peak than 100%
See:www.mrelectricity.com
Be sure to reason out the Utilities do not turn down their generators just because the sun came out or the wind picks up, in fact they CANNOT!!!
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Green Energy... Bless you!!!
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
I thought you were done with us kiddies, get off our playground.
I thought you were done with us kiddies, get off our playground.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Jack...the only Nazi tactics I have seen in this discourse are those of you and your cohorts. Our argument needs no crutches nor do I. I enjoy walking in rarified air with my head held high looking for the truth. I am not hiding in anonymity as you suggest. I can be found at Allen Harbor Marine in Harwich Port from March through the last week in November. Ist dock, end of pier, last boat on the left. My website is www.maverickchartersltd.com on which you will find my e-mail address and phone #. The opponents to your facade are the only individuals who DO NOT remain anonymous. Are you folks on the board of the "Turbine Factory", shareholders, paid lobbyists, or just detractors of anyone who stands in your way. The only foul play I have seen has been your group's treatment of Magical. If you meet an untimely demise it would not be because of me. I would not waste the energy, no pun intended. But it would not bother me if I was the main suspect. I would consider it flattery.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
On my behalf, let me offer a truce of sorts. There has been so much crap going back and forth it's easy to loose sight of the goal line.
Let's take a step back to see if we can go forward on this whole issue.
May I ask you to state your specific opposition to Cape Wind or wind power in general.
I appreciate your anticipated response.
On my behalf, let me offer a truce of sorts. There has been so much crap going back and forth it's easy to loose sight of the goal line.
Let's take a step back to see if we can go forward on this whole issue.
May I ask you to state your specific opposition to Cape Wind or wind power in general.
I appreciate your anticipated response.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Oh boys and girls, I just put up a new blog post on household electricity prices from around the world. Check it out..... could it be that Denmark households pay the highest?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Green Energy...thank you for your post. Your type of info is what this site needs and helps me understand the total problem and what the good folks can do to help themselves vs. wait for federal subsidies to lower their electric bill. Correct me if i'm wrong. Don't we all contribute through taxes to create subsidies or is there really a free lunch somewhere. I found it - Nantucket Sound.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Last year a visitor came by for a demonstration of a home energy storage system.
Then he told me he traveled to China to build and run a Coal fired power plant.
A few weeks before visiting me he was in conversation with a Utility VP who was telling him how they turn down their generators when solar & wind come on line.
He responded to her by saying "Madam you CANNOT!" explaining "it's a thermal problem."
The steel smokestacks are running at 5,000 degrees and have expanded 18 to 24 inches. if you lowered the temperture by even a few percent in a short time you could damage them. He told me it takes weeks to bring a power plant down not hours in response to solar & wind.
The only thing they do is change the excitation voltage on the feild windings
to keep the amplitude in safe limits, just like the regulator in your car.
The missing component is energy storage this would be a constant load reduction at the same time everyday the Utilities could count on and we could close dirty power plants.
Then he told me he traveled to China to build and run a Coal fired power plant.
A few weeks before visiting me he was in conversation with a Utility VP who was telling him how they turn down their generators when solar & wind come on line.
He responded to her by saying "Madam you CANNOT!" explaining "it's a thermal problem."
The steel smokestacks are running at 5,000 degrees and have expanded 18 to 24 inches. if you lowered the temperture by even a few percent in a short time you could damage them. He told me it takes weeks to bring a power plant down not hours in response to solar & wind.
The only thing they do is change the excitation voltage on the feild windings
to keep the amplitude in safe limits, just like the regulator in your car.
The missing component is energy storage this would be a constant load reduction at the same time everyday the Utilities could count on and we could close dirty power plants.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Sorry to blindside you with the specter of reality, Magical, but you are wrong yet again. Go back to the comment by "Maverick" at 12:25; this is when the implied threat entered the discussion. Stephen was responding to that.
But if it had been Stephen, that would have been wrong, isn't that what you are saying? Then if it was actually Maverick, it would be wrong for him to do it, wouldn't you agree? See if you can answer that without looking through a dogmatic prism.
As for "Maverick" 's actual name, I have no idea what it is. Look back through the comments here and he is simply "Maverick." A pseudonymn clearly chosen to compensate for something.
But if it had been Stephen, that would have been wrong, isn't that what you are saying? Then if it was actually Maverick, it would be wrong for him to do it, wouldn't you agree? See if you can answer that without looking through a dogmatic prism.
As for "Maverick" 's actual name, I have no idea what it is. Look back through the comments here and he is simply "Maverick." A pseudonymn clearly chosen to compensate for something.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Jack you are a piece of work. And you call yourself a professional journalist! OYE! Isn't there some kind of a code for professional journalists? If not, there should be.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Hi Maverick,
It's worse than you think, all the energy on the grid just going to waste is being paid for by ratepayers in the overall rate structure the Utility Industry negotiates with FERC from showing their production cost and then adding a profit. So the more they make the more they make.
Again looking at at my post yesterday for the web sites. Add up any of the "surplus" and multiply by $75. which is a fairly average price for a MWh in the country except for CA where Gov. Davis negotiated long term contracts over $120. per MWh.
Just using the $75 I ran the numbers for a year and CA ratepayers are spending over $15 Billion per year on energy just going to waste.
Here in NE we are spending about $7,000,000 per day or $2.5 Billion oer year for energy just going to waste.
It's worse than you think, all the energy on the grid just going to waste is being paid for by ratepayers in the overall rate structure the Utility Industry negotiates with FERC from showing their production cost and then adding a profit. So the more they make the more they make.
Again looking at at my post yesterday for the web sites. Add up any of the "surplus" and multiply by $75. which is a fairly average price for a MWh in the country except for CA where Gov. Davis negotiated long term contracts over $120. per MWh.
Just using the $75 I ran the numbers for a year and CA ratepayers are spending over $15 Billion per year on energy just going to waste.
Here in NE we are spending about $7,000,000 per day or $2.5 Billion oer year for energy just going to waste.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Yup, just as I thought there is!http://www.spj.org/ethics_code.asp
Think you need to go back and review it, Jack.
Think you need to go back and review it, Jack.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Amazing Green Energy... we need to get this information out to the public. Maybe an op-ed piece to our newspapers is in order.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Hi Jack, I just caught onto the fact your a journalist. Dosen't the solution to our Nations Energy problems, Global Warming, Acid Rain, Asthma, Mercury Pollution look like quite a huge story to you?
Get this Jack I have written to every member of Congress, the Senate, State Governors, DOE, EPA, Enviromental Organizations and Newspapers all over the Country many, many times and they can't seem to understand how an off the shelf Inverter/Charger, just like the type in that big boat mentioned a few posts back, Golf Cart Batteries, and a timer/switch can be used to store energy now going to waste in the "off peak" for use during the following days "peak".
And yet I have explained it to the 10 year old children in my neighborhood in less than 5 minutes.
Get this Jack I have written to every member of Congress, the Senate, State Governors, DOE, EPA, Enviromental Organizations and Newspapers all over the Country many, many times and they can't seem to understand how an off the shelf Inverter/Charger, just like the type in that big boat mentioned a few posts back, Golf Cart Batteries, and a timer/switch can be used to store energy now going to waste in the "off peak" for use during the following days "peak".
And yet I have explained it to the 10 year old children in my neighborhood in less than 5 minutes.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Jack...my name is Capt. Jack Riley and I run a charter boat in Harwich Port. I could care less if my beliefs cost me any charters. I sleep very well at night. Let's thank Green Energy and Magical for refocusing this debate on the real issues. A round of applause! Jack, Stephen, KMA your not clapping.
I think you have all met your match and instead of crawling into foxholes are using diversionary tactics learned from the Army Corps. of Engineers.
I think you have all met your match and instead of crawling into foxholes are using diversionary tactics learned from the Army Corps. of Engineers.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear Magical Eye I have been trying to since 1998 and nobody has listened or helped.
In 2001 I traveled to CA to try and meet with an a representative to Governor Davis. I was in his office six times trying to tell him CA could end their blackouts with the amount of money being spent in one day on energy going to waste if they spent this on home energy storage systems instead.
Traveling back to MA I read about the MA Energy Trust.
Calling resulted in two of Directors calling me back, then after Senator Kerry wrote to the trust on my behalf a third Director called me, I think everybody there is a Director.
After spending over an hour on the phone with each one of them it always came back to the same statement.
The Trust wrote their charter on what was then a six tear old study by Arthur D. Little on what defines "Renewable Energy" and my idea wasn't included.
All three told me the Trust does not have anyone on staff who can review a new Energy saving technology. Yet 10 year old children understand it.
In 2001 I traveled to CA to try and meet with an a representative to Governor Davis. I was in his office six times trying to tell him CA could end their blackouts with the amount of money being spent in one day on energy going to waste if they spent this on home energy storage systems instead.
Traveling back to MA I read about the MA Energy Trust.
Calling resulted in two of Directors calling me back, then after Senator Kerry wrote to the trust on my behalf a third Director called me, I think everybody there is a Director.
After spending over an hour on the phone with each one of them it always came back to the same statement.
The Trust wrote their charter on what was then a six tear old study by Arthur D. Little on what defines "Renewable Energy" and my idea wasn't included.
All three told me the Trust does not have anyone on staff who can review a new Energy saving technology. Yet 10 year old children understand it.
Anonymous [Visitor] writes:
Maverick , if you're trying to cross Horseshoe Shoal with a boatload of fisherfolk, you should have your six-pack license pulled.
And every where they've put turbines (or any similar structure) in salt water, the fishing and lobstering was greatly improved.
And every where they've put turbines (or any similar structure) in salt water, the fishing and lobstering was greatly improved.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear Magical Eye and Maverick thank you because it gets better.
In Dec.04 I demonstrated an off peak energy storage system to Congressman Neal and MA State Senator Moore.
This resulted in Senate Bill 1806 directing the MA Department of Telecommunications and Energy to review how off peak energy could be stored for use during the peak to lower energy costs for ratepayers and to close dirty power plants. send an e-mail to bps1@gis.net and I will send you a copy.
The Dept. had until Dec 1,05 to respond back this was about a full year.
After waiting until the last couple weeks in Nov. I called and was able to reach Executive Director Shevlin to ask how they were coming along and offer my insight.
He told me "he didn't know what I was talking about", and then went on to tell me "there is no one in the Dept. of Telecommunications and Energy capable of reviewing a new Energy saving technology."
He did say they have Engineers on staff but they are limited to rate issues.
In Dec.04 I demonstrated an off peak energy storage system to Congressman Neal and MA State Senator Moore.
This resulted in Senate Bill 1806 directing the MA Department of Telecommunications and Energy to review how off peak energy could be stored for use during the peak to lower energy costs for ratepayers and to close dirty power plants. send an e-mail to bps1@gis.net and I will send you a copy.
The Dept. had until Dec 1,05 to respond back this was about a full year.
After waiting until the last couple weeks in Nov. I called and was able to reach Executive Director Shevlin to ask how they were coming along and offer my insight.
He told me "he didn't know what I was talking about", and then went on to tell me "there is no one in the Dept. of Telecommunications and Energy capable of reviewing a new Energy saving technology."
He did say they have Engineers on staff but they are limited to rate issues.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
You know Green energy this doesn't surprise me at all. If it isn't in the manual it just doesn't exist. That is why, I believe, so many in this country have been duped by wind energy... cause Denmark (the biggest user and manufacturer of wind turbines) wrote the manual and it is soooo much easier to adopt it then to think, review, do the reserch and create a system that works... or even to review a system that doesn't and fix it! Guess someone has to create the manual and hand deliver it to them, with cocktails and all! And then lo and behold they might just make use of it.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Green Energy,
I went on the web site. Correct me if I'm wrong, is this system used for back-up electricity in case of a power outage?
I went on the web site. Correct me if I'm wrong, is this system used for back-up electricity in case of a power outage?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Anonymous...please direct your comment to the USCG. The Maverick and thousands of other boats that sail in that waterway would be happy to discuss your concerns with an INFORMED safety group.
As SP would say....what is your source and documentation for the "greatly improved" statement. If you suggest DEIS I will have had my best laugh of the day. If your source is SP the laugh will be even louder. If it is Jack I will fall out of my chair with uncontrolable laughter. Please make my day.
As SP would say....what is your source and documentation for the "greatly improved" statement. If you suggest DEIS I will have had my best laugh of the day. If your source is SP the laugh will be even louder. If it is Jack I will fall out of my chair with uncontrolable laughter. Please make my day.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Let me get this straight, Green Energy comes on this site and posts links to a Mr. Electricity site which the best I can determine is an ad for a home generator system in case your power goes out.
I'm sure this little Mr Electricity unit is quite expensive to buy and install.
And all's we get from M&M (Maverick & Magical) is a God bless you Green Energy, Amazing and thank you.
Am I missing someting, this is what will cure our energy ills?
I'm sure this little Mr Electricity unit is quite expensive to buy and install.
And all's we get from M&M (Maverick & Magical) is a God bless you Green Energy, Amazing and thank you.
Am I missing someting, this is what will cure our energy ills?
Barnstable Baglady [Visitor] writes:
You're correct about Green Energy. It's a costly commercial business which is not endorsed by any gov. or civil org. as far as I am aware. I was cautioned about it by a prominent green advocate.
It's simply typical of the anti-wind farm people to accept without vetting anything which protects the Kennedy Compound's waterview. You would think 9-11 never happened.
"Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask instead that the Osterville oligarchs may have a private saltwater lake for their Wianno Seniors to sail upon without worrying about hitting any renewable energy pylons."
It's simply typical of the anti-wind farm people to accept without vetting anything which protects the Kennedy Compound's waterview. You would think 9-11 never happened.
"Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask instead that the Osterville oligarchs may have a private saltwater lake for their Wianno Seniors to sail upon without worrying about hitting any renewable energy pylons."
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Green Energy,
Do you have any connection with Mr. Electricity?
Do you have any connection with Mr. Electricity?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
M & M,
You guys buying a Mr. Electricity system for your homes?
You guys buying a Mr. Electricity system for your homes?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Ahhh Barnstable Baglady, the hatred of the wealthy and... the elderly? Oh my! Of course, Jim Gordon isn't elderly but he is wealthy so I guess he wouldn't be a full target of bigotry. Still Cape Wind is a costly commercial business....
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA wait until Peckman comes back and you two can jump up and down, stamp your feet and have temper tantrums together to get your oh so important questions answered, or not!
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
Mr. Electricity the back-up generator that Green Energy is promoting cost about $ 3.000 plus installation.
You can use it if your electricity goes out.
And here is the important part from there web site, "A Wind Generator can be added anytime to a Mr. Electricity® just like Solar".
Will you be buying one?
Mr. Electricity the back-up generator that Green Energy is promoting cost about $ 3.000 plus installation.
You can use it if your electricity goes out.
And here is the important part from there web site, "A Wind Generator can be added anytime to a Mr. Electricity® just like Solar".
Will you be buying one?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
Once again, don't you understand why we're skeptical of your position.
A guy named Green Energy comes on the site boasting about something called Mr. Electricity which is an over priced back-up generator in case your power goes out and your treating him like he's solved the world's energy problems.
It's bogus. And then you accuse me of temper tantrums? Why can't you be truthful?
Once again, don't you understand why we're skeptical of your position.
A guy named Green Energy comes on the site boasting about something called Mr. Electricity which is an over priced back-up generator in case your power goes out and your treating him like he's solved the world's energy problems.
It's bogus. And then you accuse me of temper tantrums? Why can't you be truthful?
Barnstable Baglady [Visitor] writes:
Costly commercial business??? What the eff are you? A communist? Socialist? Would you rather that a new innovative idea which creates electricity from our God-given, inexhaustable wind, should go out of business?
Do you own Arab oil stock or something?
What will it take for you Kennedy-apologists to accept the idea that Americans are willing to accept 130 or a million turbines six miles offshore if it lessens our dependence on Arab oil which one day will either stop gushing from the ground or be taken away from us by Radical Islamist governments which will someday replace all our oily dictator friends-of-George II.
What ARE you prepared to sacriface for your country, bird woman?
Do you own Arab oil stock or something?
What will it take for you Kennedy-apologists to accept the idea that Americans are willing to accept 130 or a million turbines six miles offshore if it lessens our dependence on Arab oil which one day will either stop gushing from the ground or be taken away from us by Radical Islamist governments which will someday replace all our oily dictator friends-of-George II.
What ARE you prepared to sacriface for your country, bird woman?
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Nice to make your acquaintance, Capt. Riley, aka Maverick. In one of your earlier comments, you wrote of me, KMA and Stephen Peckham that "after reading the posts from the last few hours I would love to meet you folks in person. Bring Band Aids. Your (sic) sickening."
Do you understand, Capt. Riley, that a sane, rational and reasonable person, especially one working in law enforcement, could interpret that as a thinly-veiled threat? Do you get that, Capt. Riley, or are you so consumed by visceral loathing for proponents of the wind farm that you are incapable of understanding it?
Do you understand, Capt. Riley, that a sane, rational and reasonable person, especially one working in law enforcement, could interpret that as a thinly-veiled threat? Do you get that, Capt. Riley, or are you so consumed by visceral loathing for proponents of the wind farm that you are incapable of understanding it?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
KMA...not to mimic SP but you never answered my request regarding your "greatly improved" statement. You went off on another diversionary tactic. I finally realize that lobbyists get paid by the hour or by the mud they sling vs. submitting relative content. Are you related to the attack dog James Carville. You sound like him, do you look like him? Just curious.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Nice to make your acquaintance, Capt. Riley, aka Maverick. In one of your earlier comments, you wrote of me, KMA and Stephen Peckham that "after reading the posts from the last few hours I would love to meet you folks in person. Bring Band Aids. Your (sic) sickening."
Do you understand, Capt. Riley, that a sane, rational and reasonable person, especially one working in law enforcement, could interpret that as a thinly-veiled threat? Do you get that, Capt. Riley, or are you so consumed by visceral loathing for proponents of the wind farm that you are incapable of understanding it?
Do you understand, Capt. Riley, that a sane, rational and reasonable person, especially one working in law enforcement, could interpret that as a thinly-veiled threat? Do you get that, Capt. Riley, or are you so consumed by visceral loathing for proponents of the wind farm that you are incapable of understanding it?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Hey Cap't Jack,
How about an apology right now. I was not the poster of the "greatly improved" statement that you accuse me of.
On a side note, I can't stand James Carville.
And as Mr Coleman asked, are you physically threatening us?
How about an apology right now. I was not the poster of the "greatly improved" statement that you accuse me of.
On a side note, I can't stand James Carville.
And as Mr Coleman asked, are you physically threatening us?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Jack don't get hysterical and believe me law enforcement isn't any more likely to come after Maverick for his band-aid remark then they are to go after Peckman for his baseball bat remark or 'veiled' threats against me. But actually in Peckmans case he said he was coming to my neighborhood whereas you would have to go to Mavericks to collect on your band-aids! But lets get back to my question Jack which I see you are avoiding whild you post a double post to Maverick so no one can miss it. I wrote: "you call yourself a professional journalist! OYE! Isn't there some kind of a code for professional journalists?" Or did you give that up when you quit your job?
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Apologies for the double-post; I wasn't sure if it went through the first time.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Maverick... you owe no apologies to KMA she posts all over the blog under different names!
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Jack...a sane ,rational, and reasonable person would find the comments regarding Magical by you, KMA and SP inflammatory, personally derogatory, defamatory, libelous and totally unwarrented in this discussion. I have no loathing for the proponents of the "turbine factory". Just a disdain for the conduct of you and your cohorts. If you feel threatened call the police, call your lawyer, call the Army Corps. of Engineers, call whoever you please. And stop the personal attacks on everyone who opposes your project. Bugsey on Cape Cod Living warned me that if I entered this fray I would be insulted, threatened(your buddy SP through the first spear), degraded, potentionally lose business, etc. Call whoever you want. I would love to expose you and your friends for the frauds you are.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
opps correction Maverick, she/he posts under different anonymous names to suit her agenda.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Barnstable Baglady... I managed to help get two deadly toxins off the market and out of our environment... how about you? What have you done for our country?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
It's a he, just ask my wife. I will take my hits when necessary. But please don't acuse me of something I did not say.
I've asked you several times for clarification and information on your blog posts. I've been met with anything and everything but the information.
Here's another try, Green Energy has posted a link to something called MR. Electricity, it's a emergency power back-up thats quite expensive.
Your response..."amazing Green Energy, we need to get this information to the public"
It's a generator for crying out load, don't you care. The site says you can even use it with your Wind Power!
It's a he, just ask my wife. I will take my hits when necessary. But please don't acuse me of something I did not say.
I've asked you several times for clarification and information on your blog posts. I've been met with anything and everything but the information.
Here's another try, Green Energy has posted a link to something called MR. Electricity, it's a emergency power back-up thats quite expensive.
Your response..."amazing Green Energy, we need to get this information to the public"
It's a generator for crying out load, don't you care. The site says you can even use it with your Wind Power!
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
A curiosity...Green Energy should be disqualified from this discussion because it's energy saving research might be involved in a potential energy saving business opportunity. What the hell is the "turbine factory"?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
BREAKING NEWS,
Green Energy who is held in such high esteem by M&M (Magical, Maverick) can be reached on his web site where he sells.....you guessed it, MR ELECTRICITY!
You can buy a system for a round $ 3,000 not including installation.
Green Energy who is held in such high esteem by M&M (Magical, Maverick) can be reached on his web site where he sells.....you guessed it, MR ELECTRICITY!
You can buy a system for a round $ 3,000 not including installation.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
How about full disclosure Maverick? It's a back-up generator. He sells them, you can buy them at Home Depot.
I bet Magical feels silly now.
I bet Magical feels silly now.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
You are the one lobbing threats, Mr. Riley. The only thing I have threatened is the pious sanctimony of your unassailable beliefs. Let me do my part to relieve at least some of your existential suffering by having nothing further to do with you.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Jack... Please explain to me as a supposed "journalist" how you could have participated in the dialog that went on earlier today on this blog. Specifically, being a simple fisherman, help me with an interpertation in layman's terms of your post of 11:31am 1/22/06.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Thanks Jack...I guess I won't need the band-aids after all. I am a huge wine connoisseur. Since this will be a farm do you think I could get a permit to grow grapevines on the monopoles.
Also, I have a great deal of empathy for Native Americans, the last victims of a large land/water grab. Is there any way I could be compensated in like kind with a permit to have an offshore casino on the Maverick located in Nantucket Sound.
Please talk to your friends at the "turbine factory". I am looking for any and all economic opportunities that this project may offer.
Also, I have a great deal of empathy for Native Americans, the last victims of a large land/water grab. Is there any way I could be compensated in like kind with a permit to have an offshore casino on the Maverick located in Nantucket Sound.
Please talk to your friends at the "turbine factory". I am looking for any and all economic opportunities that this project may offer.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
http://www.spj.org/ethics_code.asp
Here ya go again Jack... But maybe I am wrong... maybe you are not a professional journalist after all. Are you? If not, I apologize for accusing you of being one.
Here are just the headings: Each heading has a code of ethics beneath it. Check it out and see if you measure up.
Minimize Harm
Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects and colleagues as human beings deserving of respect.
Act Independently
Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public's right to know.
Be Accountable
Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners, viewers and each other.
Here ya go again Jack... But maybe I am wrong... maybe you are not a professional journalist after all. Are you? If not, I apologize for accusing you of being one.
Here are just the headings: Each heading has a code of ethics beneath it. Check it out and see if you measure up.
Minimize Harm
Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects and colleagues as human beings deserving of respect.
Act Independently
Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public's right to know.
Be Accountable
Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners, viewers and each other.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Yes Jack, explain. And when your done Maverick will jusitfy some of his charming responses. A few of which I've highlighted below.
I have tried to visualize you and all I see is "a sophmoric, selfish, egotistcal, idiotic mudslinger" trapped in a human's body. It troubles me that I have stooped down to your level.
Jack...the only Nazi tactics I have seen in this discourse are those of you and your cohorts.
If you meet an untimely demise it would not be because of me. I would not waste the energy, no pun intended. But it would not bother me if I was the main suspect. I would consider it flattery.
I would love to expose you and your friends for the frauds you are.
Are you related to the attack dog James Carville. You sound like him, do you look like him? Just curious.
I have tried to visualize you and all I see is "a sophmoric, selfish, egotistcal, idiotic mudslinger" trapped in a human's body. It troubles me that I have stooped down to your level.
Jack...the only Nazi tactics I have seen in this discourse are those of you and your cohorts.
If you meet an untimely demise it would not be because of me. I would not waste the energy, no pun intended. But it would not bother me if I was the main suspect. I would consider it flattery.
I would love to expose you and your friends for the frauds you are.
Are you related to the attack dog James Carville. You sound like him, do you look like him? Just curious.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Maverick,
Your looking for economic opportunity.
Isn't a $ 1,000 bucks a day for a tuna trip enough.
You seem to be doing quite well living off the natural resources of Nantucket Sound. Can't Mr Gordon have a chance?
Your looking for economic opportunity.
Isn't a $ 1,000 bucks a day for a tuna trip enough.
You seem to be doing quite well living off the natural resources of Nantucket Sound. Can't Mr Gordon have a chance?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Maverick... Barbara and I are proposing hotels and affordable housing in the Nantucket Sound should the worst case scenario happen. Want in? A casino would be great and dove tail nicely into our plans don't you think!
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Hey Magical,
Since we have your attention, can you answer any question regarding Mr. Electricity and how it will solve our energy problems?
Since we have your attention, can you answer any question regarding Mr. Electricity and how it will solve our energy problems?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
KMA...I am not a journalist. I did not bring up "trapped in a human's body", "Nazi tactics", "untimely demise", etc. I did respond like any other reader with a letter to the editor. As for the fraud you are correct. Most folks know who they are conversing with. I find I am dealing with a target that hides, moves to suit there needs. They were correct when the said it is very hard to hit a moving target. You have that mastered. As for James C., just a curiosity. I thought I saw a resemblance.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear Magical Eye and Maverick
Set up an interview with a real Reporter and I will give him or her a story that will be read around the World and change the entire Energy Industry.
We have hundreds of thousands of MWh on our Nations power grid going to waste everyday so what good will the energy from the wind farm be?
Even if it was available 24/7 It would just be more surplus going to waste.
The Utilitiy Industry has told us we cannot store energy. What do they think the battery in their cars are doing?
Hi Jack: If the Turkey Farmers told you you cannot store the left over bird from your holiday feast would you toss it in the can and buy another one?
No? Why? Because you are to smart for the Turkey Farmers to trick you, right?
So why do you believe the Energy Farmers when they say we cannot store energy?
I can understand this at the Utility level because of the massive amount of energy being produced. What everyone is missing is to divide up the task into our individual homes, then it's real easy.
Set up an interview with a real Reporter and I will give him or her a story that will be read around the World and change the entire Energy Industry.
We have hundreds of thousands of MWh on our Nations power grid going to waste everyday so what good will the energy from the wind farm be?
Even if it was available 24/7 It would just be more surplus going to waste.
The Utilitiy Industry has told us we cannot store energy. What do they think the battery in their cars are doing?
Hi Jack: If the Turkey Farmers told you you cannot store the left over bird from your holiday feast would you toss it in the can and buy another one?
No? Why? Because you are to smart for the Turkey Farmers to trick you, right?
So why do you believe the Energy Farmers when they say we cannot store energy?
I can understand this at the Utility level because of the massive amount of energy being produced. What everyone is missing is to divide up the task into our individual homes, then it's real easy.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Maverick,
As I stated before, it was not me who mentioned the "greatly improved" comment that you accused me of.
I will stand by any of my comments. I was accused by you yesterday of a comment that wasn't mine.
Magical has done so many times. I have in the past used different "handles" but I will stand up to, and by, anything I say.
So when you accuse me of resembling James Carville, who I despise, I'll call you on it. Especially when I never made the comment you accused me of in the first place.
Have I been guilty of sarcasm? Absolutely, no more than just about everyone else on this site.
But you know what, when certain people make statements and are unwilling to back them up, or offer proof, then that's what you get.
I'd still love an explanation on this one. "If you meet an untimely demise it would not be because of me. I would not waste the energy, no pun intended. But it would not bother me if I was the main suspect. I would consider it flattery".
As I stated before, it was not me who mentioned the "greatly improved" comment that you accused me of.
I will stand by any of my comments. I was accused by you yesterday of a comment that wasn't mine.
Magical has done so many times. I have in the past used different "handles" but I will stand up to, and by, anything I say.
So when you accuse me of resembling James Carville, who I despise, I'll call you on it. Especially when I never made the comment you accused me of in the first place.
Have I been guilty of sarcasm? Absolutely, no more than just about everyone else on this site.
But you know what, when certain people make statements and are unwilling to back them up, or offer proof, then that's what you get.
I'd still love an explanation on this one. "If you meet an untimely demise it would not be because of me. I would not waste the energy, no pun intended. But it would not bother me if I was the main suspect. I would consider it flattery".
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Hi KMA,
I would like to take the opportunity to answer your question to Magical Eye.
We have all heard about the "peak" load right? Now imagine it's 3:00 AM and most New Englanders have gone to bed.
Of course before doing so they turned off the lights and the TV not to mention the electric range.
This of course greatly reduced the load demand on the Utility grid.
Did anyone remember to stop the CT River from flowing out to sea? We could quadruple this green energy source by storing energy "off Peak" while we sleep then use it the next day instead of letting it go to waste.
I would like to take the opportunity to answer your question to Magical Eye.
We have all heard about the "peak" load right? Now imagine it's 3:00 AM and most New Englanders have gone to bed.
Of course before doing so they turned off the lights and the TV not to mention the electric range.
This of course greatly reduced the load demand on the Utility grid.
Did anyone remember to stop the CT River from flowing out to sea? We could quadruple this green energy source by storing energy "off Peak" while we sleep then use it the next day instead of letting it go to waste.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Green Energy, You sell Mr Electricity correct? It is a back-up emergency electric supply correct?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA you forget that your posts come through with your IP address. You aren't fooling anyone!
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Yes I know they do Magical. And what do you mean when you say I'm not fooling anyone? Would you care to show me a post that you think I would be afraid to take credit for?
I use to post as Pilgrim. Then the gentleman from Plymouth started using Pilgrim. So I stopped using it. I've posted as Anonymous, I've used other names as well. What is your point. I will stand by everyone of my posts. Except the one that you accused me of earlier suggesting you knew it was me because you had my IP address. You were so wrong, I would be happy to admit if it was mine, but it wasn't, you were wrong.
I use to post as Pilgrim. Then the gentleman from Plymouth started using Pilgrim. So I stopped using it. I've posted as Anonymous, I've used other names as well. What is your point. I will stand by everyone of my posts. Except the one that you accused me of earlier suggesting you knew it was me because you had my IP address. You were so wrong, I would be happy to admit if it was mine, but it wasn't, you were wrong.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Hi KMA,
In another response to your question to Magical Eye.
I don't know if you had a chance to go to www.mrelectricity.com yet or not, but the technology is pretty simple, perhaps that's why no one can figure it out.
But it works, a home in Yuba City CA was the first to use it and they have been going off the grid everyday for over 5 years now from Noon until 6 PM on a time of use rate plan with PG&E.
The homeowners have told me they have reduced their electric bills by 2/3 rds.
Imagine if every home did this and we flattened the "peak" into a straight and constant load. The cost of energy during the daylight time would be cheaper for our manufacturers offsetting foreign labor and bringing jobs home again.
In another response to your question to Magical Eye.
I don't know if you had a chance to go to www.mrelectricity.com yet or not, but the technology is pretty simple, perhaps that's why no one can figure it out.
But it works, a home in Yuba City CA was the first to use it and they have been going off the grid everyday for over 5 years now from Noon until 6 PM on a time of use rate plan with PG&E.
The homeowners have told me they have reduced their electric bills by 2/3 rds.
Imagine if every home did this and we flattened the "peak" into a straight and constant load. The cost of energy during the daylight time would be cheaper for our manufacturers offsetting foreign labor and bringing jobs home again.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Wow! Did I miss out this afternoon!!!
Nice to see you all can get along so well without me!
A few comments...
Please note that it was Capt. Jack that did in fact threaten us.
My reply was to take the (veiled) threat and offset it with what I thought to be a friendly gesture of 'us' bring gloves to a "game"... ie baseball. I figured he would take the hint and play.
Not so... Now, I don't recall slinging a bucket of chum in his direction but if he wants to swim with the sharks...
I always jump right in!
Magical, Maverick... Beleive it or not, I am generally considered to be a respectful, likeable, and quality guy (see Match. Com -'settin sail':-) with manners.
It would be nice to have to have a level playing field in this arena. I am open for suggestions posted in a respectful manner.
For me, things start to get out of hand when something is posted that is an obvious lie or distortion mimicing the Alliance's tactics of distastful propaganda. I will not let it pass.
We all have our passions about the project... Can we have argue with integrity?
Nice to see you all can get along so well without me!
A few comments...
Please note that it was Capt. Jack that did in fact threaten us.
My reply was to take the (veiled) threat and offset it with what I thought to be a friendly gesture of 'us' bring gloves to a "game"... ie baseball. I figured he would take the hint and play.
Not so... Now, I don't recall slinging a bucket of chum in his direction but if he wants to swim with the sharks...
I always jump right in!
Magical, Maverick... Beleive it or not, I am generally considered to be a respectful, likeable, and quality guy (see Match. Com -'settin sail':-) with manners.
It would be nice to have to have a level playing field in this arena. I am open for suggestions posted in a respectful manner.
For me, things start to get out of hand when something is posted that is an obvious lie or distortion mimicing the Alliance's tactics of distastful propaganda. I will not let it pass.
We all have our passions about the project... Can we have argue with integrity?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
PS: Jack I am not a professional journalist and do not claim to be one but just thought you might be interested in this one with regards to news phhotos, which mine (you know the one... the one where you harassed and attacked me personally even to the extent of a publicly published blog post) was not but according to the society of professional journalists "Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible."
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Hey Green Energy,
Don't you think for full disclosure you should tell people that you sell Mr Electricity.
By the way, the systems cost about $ 3,000. How much does it cost to have an electrican install it. Does he have to pull a permit?
How long do you think it takes to make back your initial investment?
Don't you think for full disclosure you should tell people that you sell Mr Electricity.
By the way, the systems cost about $ 3,000. How much does it cost to have an electrican install it. Does he have to pull a permit?
How long do you think it takes to make back your initial investment?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Hey KMA or whoever you are don't you think for full disclosure just to be fair you should reveal your true identity, profession, place of business, associations etc and website?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Oh Magical,
Please don't open that can of worms. I have a ton of friends that are photograhers. I think they might take issue with what you think is "technical clarity" and what they think. Especially in the context it was used.
But let's not go down that road tonight. I see some healing going on. I'm going to Match.com to check out Peckham. No, it's not what you think. I'm a happily married man. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Please don't open that can of worms. I have a ton of friends that are photograhers. I think they might take issue with what you think is "technical clarity" and what they think. Especially in the context it was used.
But let's not go down that road tonight. I see some healing going on. I'm going to Match.com to check out Peckham. No, it's not what you think. I'm a happily married man. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear KMA,
From what I can see Mr.Electricity is both an automatic, silent, fuel-less backup power system for the home and office.
By adding a simple appliance timer onto the input it can solve our Nations Energy needs too by storing surplus power on the grid during the off peak for use during the next "peak" or whenever you want to use it.
You can also read on www.mrelectricity.com HUD has paid for this equipment with a Block Grant Program for the disabled.
Folks who are disabled suffer more than anyone else during a power outage, plus they could use a break on their electric bills too with off peak rates.
From what I can see Mr.Electricity is both an automatic, silent, fuel-less backup power system for the home and office.
By adding a simple appliance timer onto the input it can solve our Nations Energy needs too by storing surplus power on the grid during the off peak for use during the next "peak" or whenever you want to use it.
You can also read on www.mrelectricity.com HUD has paid for this equipment with a Block Grant Program for the disabled.
Folks who are disabled suffer more than anyone else during a power outage, plus they could use a break on their electric bills too with off peak rates.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
At some point I may spill the beans. But there is a reason that I don't. It's that my job is much more public than most jobs and I feel that people may make judgments and I'd hate to have to explain to my employer.
So for now, let's just say I work as a lifeguard at the car wash.
At some point I may spill the beans. But there is a reason that I don't. It's that my job is much more public than most jobs and I feel that people may make judgments and I'd hate to have to explain to my employer.
So for now, let's just say I work as a lifeguard at the car wash.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Green Energy,
Wait a second. You post an email address for people to contact you that is the same email address on the Mr Electricity site?
And now you say "from what I can see Mr Electricity, blah,blah,blah.
What is your interest in the company? Are you the owner? Please, don;t insult us. If your trying to sell something here, let us know.
Wait a second. You post an email address for people to contact you that is the same email address on the Mr Electricity site?
And now you say "from what I can see Mr Electricity, blah,blah,blah.
What is your interest in the company? Are you the owner? Please, don;t insult us. If your trying to sell something here, let us know.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Amazing, Magical - you are still brooding over me having the audacity to challenge you as to the veracity of that photo. Believe it or not, that's something else that journalists do - they investigate things that just don't look right. Like that photo, which you "enhanced," by your own admission. Which is why I was suspicious of it to begin with. If this makes me an ogre, so be it. No wonder you are so enamored of birds - yhey don't ask awkward questions.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear KMA,
For now lets just say I'm a lifeguard at the car wash too.
For now lets just say I'm a lifeguard at the car wash too.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
It wasn't an awkward question Jack. But you still don't answer my question... are you a professional journalist?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Green,
Are you using this site to try and sell your Mr Electricity? Or is it just a coincidence that you told people in an earlier post that they can contact you at bps1@gis.net. Which just happens to be the same email contact for Mr Electricity. The bps part would be Boston Power Supplies.
I think you owe it to this blog site to tell us that your selling these.
Let me guess, $ 3,000 dollars for the system. Add Mr. Timer $ 159, system monitor $ 320, Extra battery box $ 140, Mr 220 $ 360, Transfer switch
$ 330. Shipping $ 175. Installation by qualified electrician (estimate) $ 2,000.
Total $ 6,484
So Mr Electricity, how long would it take to recover your investment? Assuming no more money needs to be spent for servicing or batteries.
Are you using this site to try and sell your Mr Electricity? Or is it just a coincidence that you told people in an earlier post that they can contact you at bps1@gis.net. Which just happens to be the same email contact for Mr Electricity. The bps part would be Boston Power Supplies.
I think you owe it to this blog site to tell us that your selling these.
Let me guess, $ 3,000 dollars for the system. Add Mr. Timer $ 159, system monitor $ 320, Extra battery box $ 140, Mr 220 $ 360, Transfer switch
$ 330. Shipping $ 175. Installation by qualified electrician (estimate) $ 2,000.
Total $ 6,484
So Mr Electricity, how long would it take to recover your investment? Assuming no more money needs to be spent for servicing or batteries.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Mr Electricity, do you also sell Mr Potato Head? Now that, I may be interested in.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA I fail to see what your point is concerning Green Energy. But personally I think you owe it to the blog to tell us about you.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear KMA,
Yes, I belive you would be interested in buying a Mr.Potato Head.
Yes, I belive you would be interested in buying a Mr.Potato Head.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Right, Magical, not awkward at all - as clearly shown by your disingenuous obfuscation once I began asking about it. You never did cite specifically where Clean Power Now made that alleged assertion, and yet you expect me to answer a question from you for which no answer will satisfy you. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am under no obligation to justify myself to you and - psst - the same applies to you in justifying yourself to me. Whether you do is entirely up to you.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
I'll explain my point about Green Energy so that you may understand it.
I'm not sure about the policy for this blog site, but most don't allow the selling of products under false pretenses.
I say false pretenses because as you can see I've asked Green Energy many times to state his interest in Mr Electricity. He has refused to do so.
But under the guise of protecting the environment, he says, we don't need wind power, there is plenty of wasted energy.... he has directed bloggers to a specific web site that sells back-up electric systems.
It just so happens that he is associated with these systems. Therefore he is doing so for monetary gain. The fact that he won't tell us this is troubling.
You, have embraced his rhetoric without even challenging his motivation. As a matter of fact, you say "amazing green energy, we have to get this information out" What information?
Does'nt this concern you even a little bit?
Once again, I have answered a question you have asked, will you ever answer one of mine?
I'll explain my point about Green Energy so that you may understand it.
I'm not sure about the policy for this blog site, but most don't allow the selling of products under false pretenses.
I say false pretenses because as you can see I've asked Green Energy many times to state his interest in Mr Electricity. He has refused to do so.
But under the guise of protecting the environment, he says, we don't need wind power, there is plenty of wasted energy.... he has directed bloggers to a specific web site that sells back-up electric systems.
It just so happens that he is associated with these systems. Therefore he is doing so for monetary gain. The fact that he won't tell us this is troubling.
You, have embraced his rhetoric without even challenging his motivation. As a matter of fact, you say "amazing green energy, we have to get this information out" What information?
Does'nt this concern you even a little bit?
Once again, I have answered a question you have asked, will you ever answer one of mine?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Jack???? Can't answer? Too akward for you? Are you a professional journalist or not?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Green Energy AKA Mr Electricity,
Which has more value Mr Potato Head or Mr Electicity?
Which has more value Mr Potato Head or Mr Electicity?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA I think I can answer for Green Energy to you Mr. Potatoe Head has more value.. you said it yourself. You don't even know what your are talking about ... but that is par for the course as you have shown over and over again.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear KMA,
You seem to be such a detective try finding Senate Bill 1806 written by Senator Richard Moore and co-signed by Senator BruCe Tarr and MA State Representative Edward Connolly.
Directing the Department of Telecommunications and Energy to review how off peak energy storage can reduce electric rates in MA and close dirty power plants.
I spoke with Executive Director Shevlin of the Department of Telecommunications and Energy a year after this Legislation was passed and two weeks before his findings to the MA Legislators was do.
I can quote that Executive Director Shevlin "did not know what I was talking about and state the Department of Telecommunications and Energy does not have anyone on staff capable of reviewing a new Energy saving technology."
I told him this was the exact response I got from three Directors of the MA Energy Trust. And yet I have been able to explain it to 10 year old children in less than 5 minutes.
You seem to be such a detective try finding Senate Bill 1806 written by Senator Richard Moore and co-signed by Senator BruCe Tarr and MA State Representative Edward Connolly.
Directing the Department of Telecommunications and Energy to review how off peak energy storage can reduce electric rates in MA and close dirty power plants.
I spoke with Executive Director Shevlin of the Department of Telecommunications and Energy a year after this Legislation was passed and two weeks before his findings to the MA Legislators was do.
I can quote that Executive Director Shevlin "did not know what I was talking about and state the Department of Telecommunications and Energy does not have anyone on staff capable of reviewing a new Energy saving technology."
I told him this was the exact response I got from three Directors of the MA Energy Trust. And yet I have been able to explain it to 10 year old children in less than 5 minutes.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA bloggers on this site direct people to Cape Wind all of the time. Puhleez!
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
It's late, you must be getting tired. Your not making sense again.
Would you perfer to get a good night's sleep and we can try again in the morning.
I guess it's a lot easier for you to make comments like "you don't know what your talking about" than to answer simple questions.
It speaks volumes about the type of person you are.
Remember Dona, "No two people see the same rainbow"
Words apparently you DON"T live by.
Good night.
It's late, you must be getting tired. Your not making sense again.
Would you perfer to get a good night's sleep and we can try again in the morning.
I guess it's a lot easier for you to make comments like "you don't know what your talking about" than to answer simple questions.
It speaks volumes about the type of person you are.
Remember Dona, "No two people see the same rainbow"
Words apparently you DON"T live by.
Good night.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Mr Tricity,
I'll look up house bill 1806 just as soon as you tell us that your a generator salesman.
Tell us how much the entire system is installed.
How long it takes to recover the cost.
And remember Mr Electricity, "Could it be that Oil is the real reason we are in Iraq? As you say on your web site.
Well I think it's your web site, but you don't seem to want to admit it.
I'll look up house bill 1806 just as soon as you tell us that your a generator salesman.
Tell us how much the entire system is installed.
How long it takes to recover the cost.
And remember Mr Electricity, "Could it be that Oil is the real reason we are in Iraq? As you say on your web site.
Well I think it's your web site, but you don't seem to want to admit it.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Jack... Are you going to make Magical beg for the answer? Come on now... don't be like that - It's totally un-becoming!
KMA... Yes, Greenie is selling a product. Now it's time to get off 'Match.' before your mate catches on to you! Besides, I really don't appreciate the way you are looking at me~
Can we all lighten up? This is exhausting! I'm beat.
...'Good Night Moon'
KMA... Yes, Greenie is selling a product. Now it's time to get off 'Match.' before your mate catches on to you! Besides, I really don't appreciate the way you are looking at me~
Can we all lighten up? This is exhausting! I'm beat.
...'Good Night Moon'
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
And Jack... It also pisses her off!
Not... A good thing you know.
Not... A good thing you know.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Good night Peck.....nighty night Magical, and good night to you Mr Electricity where ever you are.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear Magical Eye and KMA
I for once agree with KMA it's time to shut it down and go to bed.
Let's see that's three computers at about 150 to 200 watts each for a total of 450 to 600 watts for 8 hours.
That's 3,600 to 4,800 watts that could be stored for tomorrow.
I for once agree with KMA it's time to shut it down and go to bed.
Let's see that's three computers at about 150 to 200 watts each for a total of 450 to 600 watts for 8 hours.
That's 3,600 to 4,800 watts that could be stored for tomorrow.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Okay,
last post. How much is it going to cost me to store the 4,800 watts for tomorrow?
Don't tell me tonight. I'll never be able to sleep thinking about the price.
Night Mr Tricity.
last post. How much is it going to cost me to store the 4,800 watts for tomorrow?
Don't tell me tonight. I'll never be able to sleep thinking about the price.
Night Mr Tricity.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Foot-stomping will work as well for you as it does for my 4-year-old, Magical. Answer the question you have dodged since long before you latched onto your ethics kick and I will answer yours. Where specifically on the Clean Power Now website does it state that Cape Wind would provide nearly three-quarters of the electricity for the Cape and islands even no matter what the conditions? In other words, even with a dead calm. CPN, and Cape Wind, have never claimed this; that's why you can't cite it. It is people like you who keep claiming they have said it, then emote themselves into a cinder when challenged on it.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Jack you are the king of derision, deflection and distraction. What I said is there in black and white for all to see. I wrote on 01/19/06 @ 5:34 pm "The People are SUPPOSED to be thinking that Cape Wind will generate 75% of our electricity on the Cape no matter what the conditions... It just isn't in their best interest for people to connect the dots, apply logic and relaize that they will simply not be able to deliver on their promises. And of course, in the meantime the Sound is sacrificed for nothing." Emphasis added... note the word supposed. AND interestingly enough you agreed with me when you wrote "I agree with you that the claim should be more specific." Then you went into a tirade over my in your words 'alleged source' of this quote "The proposed wind farm consisting of 130 turbines is projected to deliver 170 megawatts of average power and approximately 420 megawatts of peak power [1] which will supply three-quarters of the power consumed on the Cape and Islands [2]," from the Fact Sheet on the Clean Power Now website.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
So now Jack, are you or are you not a professional journalist? I would think you would be proud to say yes if you are. But quite possibly you don't want to say it since you continually violate the code of ethics for professional journalists. but then again, maybe you are not a porfessional journalist. People want to know... are you or are you not a professional journalist Jack. simple question only simple answer required.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
... and nowhere do I see the words, "no matter what the conditions," Megical. They came from you, in the form of editorializing. You are more than entitled to your opinion, but not to put words in the mouths of others that were never said (the SPJ frowns on that). I initially gave you the benefit of a doubt until finding that the assertion you were making was not what Clean Power Now stated. Finding that made me less likely to give you the benefit of a doubt, a skepticism that is most likely permanent at this point.
But seeing how you attempted to answer my question, I'll try to answer yours. You are the one describing me as a "professional journalist." I hesitate to use those words because they imply that a person is working full-time in the mainstream media. I work as a freelance writer and editor. What you are doing is trying to limit discourse from others you don't consider legitimately "credentialed," much in the way that doctors have long sought to discredit midwives for lacking in proper training and golf skills.
But seeing how you attempted to answer my question, I'll try to answer yours. You are the one describing me as a "professional journalist." I hesitate to use those words because they imply that a person is working full-time in the mainstream media. I work as a freelance writer and editor. What you are doing is trying to limit discourse from others you don't consider legitimately "credentialed," much in the way that doctors have long sought to discredit midwives for lacking in proper training and golf skills.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
To all the good folks...Sorry to bow out early last night. I had family over for dinner.
To Jack...speaking of awkward quotes you stii haven't exlained your journalistic post of 1/22/06 11:31 AM. Oh! Thats right your not talking to me. I wish you would have addressed me as maverick, Capt. Jack, Capt. Riley vs Mr. Riley. It was just a feeble attempt to diminish any nauticle standing I might have in this debate. You have done the same to Magical re her environmental background and are now attemptin same with Green Energy. Who has a right to participate? The folks that you, KMA, and SP deem worthy.
Also, I threaten no one. The Band-Aid remark was a tongue in cheek reference to what Cape Wind really is. I still hope you call your lawyer, congressman, police, etc. Then through supeona we can find out who are the anonymous folks and what their real interest in this project is.
To Jack...speaking of awkward quotes you stii haven't exlained your journalistic post of 1/22/06 11:31 AM. Oh! Thats right your not talking to me. I wish you would have addressed me as maverick, Capt. Jack, Capt. Riley vs Mr. Riley. It was just a feeble attempt to diminish any nauticle standing I might have in this debate. You have done the same to Magical re her environmental background and are now attemptin same with Green Energy. Who has a right to participate? The folks that you, KMA, and SP deem worthy.
Also, I threaten no one. The Band-Aid remark was a tongue in cheek reference to what Cape Wind really is. I still hope you call your lawyer, congressman, police, etc. Then through supeona we can find out who are the anonymous folks and what their real interest in this project is.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Magic,
I don't know where Jack is... but despite perhaps some confusion or word smith going on here there is no doubt you are more than just suggesting to those that are reading your post that SOMEONE presumably from Cape Wind has made such a claim.
Personally, I think perhaps your claim should have been more specific... as in... it was 'your' perception.
I guess the question remains... Why are "The People" "supposed" to think
this... When such a claim was never made from either party?
At first blush... it appears you were the one planting the seed of deception relative to the generating ability wind or NOT.
Obviously, no one from either party has made the claim or intimated that the wind farm will generate electricity "no matter what the conditions"... other than what you suggest by way of your post... is a lie. You own that one...
In reality, it was nobody but you that floated this erronious postulation which has been par for the course in a number of instances to date.
Hopefully, we have learned a few lessons here, we can get over this, and move on...
I don't know where Jack is... but despite perhaps some confusion or word smith going on here there is no doubt you are more than just suggesting to those that are reading your post that SOMEONE presumably from Cape Wind has made such a claim.
Personally, I think perhaps your claim should have been more specific... as in... it was 'your' perception.
I guess the question remains... Why are "The People" "supposed" to think
this... When such a claim was never made from either party?
At first blush... it appears you were the one planting the seed of deception relative to the generating ability wind or NOT.
Obviously, no one from either party has made the claim or intimated that the wind farm will generate electricity "no matter what the conditions"... other than what you suggest by way of your post... is a lie. You own that one...
In reality, it was nobody but you that floated this erronious postulation which has been par for the course in a number of instances to date.
Hopefully, we have learned a few lessons here, we can get over this, and move on...
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
I see you have evaded my question Jack. Are you a professional journalist or not? Those are not words. I worked for many years as the president of a not-for-profit agancy but I am a professional photographer. And I am not trying to limit anyone's discourse except possibly yours becausse unlike most of the commentors on the blog you are supposedly a professional journalist. And have a higher standard, supposedly. but you seem to not to want to live by your code of ethics Jack. A doctor is a doctor and takes an oath of ethics. Professional journalists do to... or am I wrong? Do professional journalists simply discard their code ethics when they choose?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Maverick so glad to see you post :) As I said in an earlier post Jack is the king of derision, deflection and distraction. And he is damn good at it. nothing like the hall of mirrors to keep the truth away huh Jack?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Oh Jack in case you don't understand my comments on being a professional. Here is an example for you... I am and have made a living as a professional photographer. But for 25 years I worked as the founder and president of a not for profit agency. Still, if during that time I entered a photo contest for amatures I would be guilty of denying my background as a professional photographer. Either you are or you are not Jack. Do tell us!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Maverick,
I think the point has to be made as far as "worthy" or not is if a claim is made by anyone it should be able to be substantiated by some factual and hopefully reliable source.
I see no problem in ANYONE questioning the valididity or reputation of a source be it Cape Wind or the Beacon Institue.
Other than that... to state "facts" when they are not... is simply (at times) fear mongering and slinging the bull...
An opinion is just an opinion... and open for discussion by us ALL.
Isn't that the primary purpose of this site?
I think the point has to be made as far as "worthy" or not is if a claim is made by anyone it should be able to be substantiated by some factual and hopefully reliable source.
I see no problem in ANYONE questioning the valididity or reputation of a source be it Cape Wind or the Beacon Institue.
Other than that... to state "facts" when they are not... is simply (at times) fear mongering and slinging the bull...
An opinion is just an opinion... and open for discussion by us ALL.
Isn't that the primary purpose of this site?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Peckham my saying what people are 'suppose to think' is obviously an opinion. so i am glad you agree with me. thank you.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
So, Peckham what is your position on a professional journalist continually violating his code of ethics on this site?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
To KMA...Green Energy has to divulge his life history, all of of his financial interests, etc. to have any standing in this forum. How about the rest of you? You folks talk about a level playing field, level as long as it tilts in your direction.
To SP...we don't have to go to match.com to find you. I have already been successful at The Comedy Connection. As far as threats, please review all the posts on all the blogs and I think you will find that you initiated the combat. The fact that your group can throw all the stones and when one comes flying back you cry foul. You remind me of the bully in the school yard when I was a kid. I have called Jack out to explain his lifestyle remarks of yesterday and I am doing the same to you now. What does that crap have to do with an energy debate. Let me wonder!
To SP...we don't have to go to match.com to find you. I have already been successful at The Comedy Connection. As far as threats, please review all the posts on all the blogs and I think you will find that you initiated the combat. The fact that your group can throw all the stones and when one comes flying back you cry foul. You remind me of the bully in the school yard when I was a kid. I have called Jack out to explain his lifestyle remarks of yesterday and I am doing the same to you now. What does that crap have to do with an energy debate. Let me wonder!
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
By the way Maverick Jack is ignoring you because he has met his match... so he runs and hides.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Gee, Magical, one would think that a "professional photographer," as you describe yourself, would know it is unethical to publish the work of another photographer and not give credit to that person for his or her work. Yet this is exactly what you did with the very first post on your wind blog. And you pontificate to others about professional ethics? You have all the credibility of a Mafia lawyer.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
You are wrong about the photograph Jack... it was there for poeple to use without credit. Put up intentionally by a photographer for just that purpose to fight wind farms. So, when are you going to answer my question instead of continually dodging and attempting your usual derision, deflection and distraction?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
PS... and a follow up question Jack, were you fired from the Cape Cod Times for, say, violating the professional journalists code of ethics or did you actually quit? You say you left but that doesn't answer the question.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
No no Magical, I disagree with you... By you saying "People are supposed to think"... automatically presumes that an assertion has been made by someone (other than you) in a position to postulate that presumption that you post.
There is no doubt who you meant that to be... You suggest it to be Cape Wind or CPN!
Come now... No more fibbing or dancing around the truth.
There is no doubt who you meant that to be... You suggest it to be Cape Wind or CPN!
Come now... No more fibbing or dancing around the truth.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Do you know what the word implication means Peckham?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Cape Wind says they WILL supply three-quarters of the power consumed on the Cape and Islands. No disclaimer for conditions in which they won't. That is what is called marketing and that is misleading the public!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
My opinion about Jack, Magical... is that he is a Great American!
I know you didn't ask that... but I just can't help myself :~)
As far as a code of ethics on this site goes... Well, the only code I presume we have to follow is the ones set by our friend Walter.
This is his site and he sets the rules... What ever they are. I have never looked and although I may have crossed the line (ma-a-copa... or what ever) or the least came right up to it at times... I am still here. As is Jack, and you and all the other mud slingers, (personally I think Maverick should be thrown overboard :-) hecklers, ball busters and such.
Maybe I am misinformed, if so I stand corrected. Maybe Walter can set the record straight and tell us if "professional" ethics has place here or is this just simply a... House of Horrors within a Fun House?
I know you didn't ask that... but I just can't help myself :~)
As far as a code of ethics on this site goes... Well, the only code I presume we have to follow is the ones set by our friend Walter.
This is his site and he sets the rules... What ever they are. I have never looked and although I may have crossed the line (ma-a-copa... or what ever) or the least came right up to it at times... I am still here. As is Jack, and you and all the other mud slingers, (personally I think Maverick should be thrown overboard :-) hecklers, ball busters and such.
Maybe I am misinformed, if so I stand corrected. Maybe Walter can set the record straight and tell us if "professional" ethics has place here or is this just simply a... House of Horrors within a Fun House?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Walter can't decide Jack's or anyone elses personal ethics. And he can't decide for Jack that he is allowed to thow his professional ethics to the wind. He can, of course, decide what is appropriate or inappripriate for this site and he can set up rules. But we are not talking here about personal ethics where Jack is concerned we are talking about his professional ethics. If he is indeed a professional journalist which he has yet to say whether he is or not.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Yes Magical... I do know what the word "implication" means... it "implies" or in your case suggests by saying "Supposed... to be thinking".
It is... all the same baked bean Magical. You implied that a statement was made and your implication is and was erronious. No doubt about it.
It is... all the same baked bean Magical. You implied that a statement was made and your implication is and was erronious. No doubt about it.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Sorry to disappoint you, Magical - OK, not really! - but I left the Times of my own accord, after giving the paper the standard two weeks' notice, and I was not fired. You may be confusing me with another reporter who left the paper rather abruptly shortly after I left. Just out of curiosity, have you ever been treated for mental instability?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Peckham I notice you got right over Cape Wind's implication to my calling them on it. Interesting!
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
No I haven't Jack. But you still refuse to answer my question... ARe you or are you not a professional journalist?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
SP...How did you do it? Most posts have a ton of misspellings, etc. Mine do as I can't type that fast. Yet, your posts over the last few days were rambling thoughts, full of misspellings and bad grammar. I am not being criical because I am no better. But today your posts are concise, to the point, great grammar, no misspellings, etc. Did you take a home improvement course overnight? Or do you have one of the paid hacks from Cape Wind writing for you now. Maybe Jack ?
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
It's true, Senator, I was once a member of the Communist Party. But no longer.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Maverick,
Sounds like Magical has hired you to be the bouncer at the front door.
I've asked till I'm "green" in the face. Maybe you can truthfully answer one question. Green Energy comes on this site and makes his cause. It several cases, and I can point them out to you, he makes reference to the energy savings of a product called Mr. Electricity. Which I can tell is a fancy, expensive emergency back-up generator.
He doesn't disclose that this is apparently his own company. Even when asked.
Any you and Magical don't have a problem with that? I have no problem for him to share in the debate, but at least tell people that your selling the product your touting.
Sounds like Magical has hired you to be the bouncer at the front door.
I've asked till I'm "green" in the face. Maybe you can truthfully answer one question. Green Energy comes on this site and makes his cause. It several cases, and I can point them out to you, he makes reference to the energy savings of a product called Mr. Electricity. Which I can tell is a fancy, expensive emergency back-up generator.
He doesn't disclose that this is apparently his own company. Even when asked.
Any you and Magical don't have a problem with that? I have no problem for him to share in the debate, but at least tell people that your selling the product your touting.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
So just say it Jack. Are or are you not a professional journalist?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA... well we all have a problem with your not disclosing ho you are... i mean you could also have a product you are attempting to sell. So let us all in on who you are.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Magical... Huh???
What "Cape Wind's implication"... I was refering to yours! Tell me where they ever "implied" anything that has been shown to be / was erronious... This should be a good one... Everyone ready? This is really the Twilight Zone is it not?
Go Girl!...
What "Cape Wind's implication"... I was refering to yours! Tell me where they ever "implied" anything that has been shown to be / was erronious... This should be a good one... Everyone ready? This is really the Twilight Zone is it not?
Go Girl!...
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Yes Magical,
I have a product to sell. It's a bird Cusinart for the ocean, also known as a wind turbine.
Give me a break. You are like a little child. Tell me what "product" you think I'm selling?
And who has a "problem" with me not disclosing who I am? What, so I can be the subject of false information that your subjecting Jack too? Asking him if he was fired from the CCT's?
This may come as news to you, but last I checked this is a blog site. Not a newspaper of record.
I have a product to sell. It's a bird Cusinart for the ocean, also known as a wind turbine.
Give me a break. You are like a little child. Tell me what "product" you think I'm selling?
And who has a "problem" with me not disclosing who I am? What, so I can be the subject of false information that your subjecting Jack too? Asking him if he was fired from the CCT's?
This may come as news to you, but last I checked this is a blog site. Not a newspaper of record.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
By Cape Wind stating they will generate 75% of our electricity on the Cape they are implying that they will do that no matter what the conditions. Because ass we know wind power is intermittent and unreliable so how can they claim they WILL supply 75% of the Capes electricity? Get it now? That is an implication and what I did was call them on it! Which of course, the wind guys do not like.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
KMA...Green Energy owes no further disclosure. You folks set the groundrules, he is just playing by them.
As for "a fancy, expensive emergency back-up generator" that sounds like Cape wind to me. At least his supposed product has a firm price on it. When will the good citizens of Cape Cod know the true cost of the "turbine factory" Unfortunatly, when it is too late.
As for "a fancy, expensive emergency back-up generator" that sounds like Cape wind to me. At least his supposed product has a firm price on it. When will the good citizens of Cape Cod know the true cost of the "turbine factory" Unfortunatly, when it is too late.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Coleman either is or is not a professional journalist. If he is he has a code of ethics to live up to.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Maverick, I would add we already know many of the environmental costs of this wind factory up front.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Why shucks Maverick... Golly gee... That was so nice of you to take note and comment!
As you, I have never ascribed to be entirly proper on this site esp. lacking a spell check feature (WHAT GIVES WALTER?) and / or a sympathetic editor feeling sorry or concern for my wayward and obnoxious nature at times.
You must also realize, that you and Magical are so much fun to tangle with... despite my "full time" job... and generally, I don't have the time to spend reviewing my postings to make sure they are in keeping with your obvious good taste.
Now, even though my lack of gramatical correctness may be in question more often than not... I still manage somehow to get a point or two across... even to you!
To answer your question succinctly and precisely... sorry to say and perhaps and I trust to your chagrin... No to both.
So, eat sh*t and die... can't be much more to the point and gramatically(sp!) correct... or can I?
As you, I have never ascribed to be entirly proper on this site esp. lacking a spell check feature (WHAT GIVES WALTER?) and / or a sympathetic editor feeling sorry or concern for my wayward and obnoxious nature at times.
You must also realize, that you and Magical are so much fun to tangle with... despite my "full time" job... and generally, I don't have the time to spend reviewing my postings to make sure they are in keeping with your obvious good taste.
Now, even though my lack of gramatical correctness may be in question more often than not... I still manage somehow to get a point or two across... even to you!
To answer your question succinctly and precisely... sorry to say and perhaps and I trust to your chagrin... No to both.
So, eat sh*t and die... can't be much more to the point and gramatically(sp!) correct... or can I?
Rhode Islander [Visitor] writes:
Thank you Magical for returning to the real issue here- False advertising.
I just entered "Cape Wind" in CapeCodToday's search field box.
Results-
"Cape Wind Associates -- Building America's First Offshore Wind Farm to supply 75% of the electricity needs of Cape Cod. Join the Renewable Energy Revolution here on the Cape today.
Linked in: Non-Profit Organizations and Clubs."
Can the deception be any more obvious?
I just entered "Cape Wind" in CapeCodToday's search field box.
Results-
"Cape Wind Associates -- Building America's First Offshore Wind Farm to supply 75% of the electricity needs of Cape Cod. Join the Renewable Energy Revolution here on the Cape today.
Linked in: Non-Profit Organizations and Clubs."
Can the deception be any more obvious?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
WOW Peckham I do hope someone at cct is monitoring and will censure you.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Thank you Mr Doorman,
I'm sorry, I did not realize that you were speaking for Green Energy. Are you on the payroll? Hell, that's what you and Magical would ask.
As I said, he has every right to post his opinions here, as I do. Being a little truthful while trying to sell a product wouldn't hurt.
Magical, do journalists take an oath? This isn't a hard news blog, it's opinion. And you know what they say, "Opinions are like #%$ holes, everyone has one".
I'm sorry, I did not realize that you were speaking for Green Energy. Are you on the payroll? Hell, that's what you and Magical would ask.
As I said, he has every right to post his opinions here, as I do. Being a little truthful while trying to sell a product wouldn't hurt.
Magical, do journalists take an oath? This isn't a hard news blog, it's opinion. And you know what they say, "Opinions are like #%$ holes, everyone has one".
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Magical, If Maverick doesn't understand I am slapping him around for his OFFENSIVE comments... tough boogie. Of course no intent intended or threatened.
Just a well deserved sucker punch. Tit for tat.
You understand that Magical don't you?
Just a well deserved sucker punch. Tit for tat.
You understand that Magical don't you?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
No I don't. What I see is that you are guilty of vulgarity and stooping to threats to get your points across... points that have nothing to do with anything but personal attack on those who don't agree with you.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA professional journalists have certain responsibilities. They don't just get to throw their ethics out the window when they choose. Jack holds up his professional journalist card to harass those who do not agree with him. That is unethical.
Little Fish in a Big Pond [Visitor] writes:
Blogs do fall under the same aspects of journalism by law look it up. In fact bloggers can ask for and receive press passes.
And I guess the message I got about being despicable at times was the prelude to that outrageous comment here Mr Peckham. Wow you have really fallen and you can't up. Not for the faint and weak hearted? Hmmmmm could you really have meant to push that send button. Yikes!
And I guess the message I got about being despicable at times was the prelude to that outrageous comment here Mr Peckham. Wow you have really fallen and you can't up. Not for the faint and weak hearted? Hmmmmm could you really have meant to push that send button. Yikes!
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Little Fish,
Nice try. Where did you get your information?
Sometimes a blog is just a blog!
(Business Week Story)
A California judge issued a preliminary ruling on Mar. 3 that three bloggers who published leaked information about an unreleased Apple (AAPL ) product must divulge their confidential sources. If the ruling holds, it will set a precedent certain to reverberate through the blogosphere because this means under the law bloggers aren't considered journalists.
Nice try. Where did you get your information?
Sometimes a blog is just a blog!
(Business Week Story)
A California judge issued a preliminary ruling on Mar. 3 that three bloggers who published leaked information about an unreleased Apple (AAPL ) product must divulge their confidential sources. If the ruling holds, it will set a precedent certain to reverberate through the blogosphere because this means under the law bloggers aren't considered journalists.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
PS Peckham the foul language and threats you write to a commentor are read by all.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
One more thing. If my 10 year old likes to blolg, does that mean she/he is a journalist?
Magical,
Journalist's come in many shape and sizes. They can write news, opinion, editorial, entertainment, commentary and the like. But they still are considered "journalists". What ethics does Andy Rooney follow?
Magical,
Journalist's come in many shape and sizes. They can write news, opinion, editorial, entertainment, commentary and the like. But they still are considered "journalists". What ethics does Andy Rooney follow?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
As are the threats and character assassinations by Maverick. But you failed to remind him. Double standard?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA Peckham is like the kid with a stick poking it into the lions cage to harass and get a rise out of him... when the kid gets bitten by the lion then he cries foul. That is your friend Peckham and his good bud Jack and a few other school yard locker room bullies. ARe you sayng that Andy Rooney is an unethical journalist? As a professional journalist they adopt a code of ethics which they are expected to follow. I am sure Andy Rooney is well within these ethical rules when he expresses his opinoin.
Little Fish in a Big Pond [Visitor] writes:
Nice try? Sometimes a blog is journalism. I don't have to prove points to you but if you dare to open your eyes then you might want to take a look at http://www.eff.org/bloggers/lg. We all might want to before we go spouting off.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
I'm not quite sure if a professional journalist has to follow any code of ethics on a blog site anymore than any other blogger.
Do you mind offering an example of Jack being unethical as you say? I'd be very interested in reading it and offering my opinion.
Regarding Peckham, we are all guilty of the harassing, maybe we can get past that, maybe not.
My biggest frustration with this blog and all blogs is that they are opinion and opinion only. When someone challenges another's opinion and asks for facts that's when it gets dirty. Not many want to respond to another's request for facts, and that really bothers me. It seems like its a lot easier to sling the mud.
Do you mind offering an example of Jack being unethical as you say? I'd be very interested in reading it and offering my opinion.
Regarding Peckham, we are all guilty of the harassing, maybe we can get past that, maybe not.
My biggest frustration with this blog and all blogs is that they are opinion and opinion only. When someone challenges another's opinion and asks for facts that's when it gets dirty. Not many want to respond to another's request for facts, and that really bothers me. It seems like its a lot easier to sling the mud.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Big Fish,
My eyes are open, I didn't go spouting off as you suggest.
As a mater of fact I just visited the site you requested and found nothing about bloggers being journalist.
I did however see information that bloggers don't have the training in the laws that journalists do and need to be careful on what they say.
But if you can tell me where it says their journalists I'd be happy to take another look.
My eyes are open, I didn't go spouting off as you suggest.
As a mater of fact I just visited the site you requested and found nothing about bloggers being journalist.
I did however see information that bloggers don't have the training in the laws that journalists do and need to be careful on what they say.
But if you can tell me where it says their journalists I'd be happy to take another look.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Well do you think you might be contributing and pushing it by defending the big offenders? But as to a professional journalist following their code of ethics they are not just any other blogger. They are professional journalists no matter where they are and what they are on. A doctor on a cruise ship is still a doctor... or more to the point a doctor writing a blog is bound by his code. He can't just sit there and spout his personal opinion and cast aside his code of ethics and the oaths he took.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear KMA,
I didn't know you had a 10 year old that's wonderful, there's nothing better in life than children, enjoy.
Spending some time with your child you may remember I stated that I have explained how storing "off peak" energy
now going to waste can be used the following day during the "peak" to the 10 year old children in my neighborhood in less than 5 minutes. You may want to ask your child to explain this to you?
Think real hard about this KMA if you have a "peak" then you must have an "off peak", lack of peak, NO PEAK!!!
The energy on the grid during the "off peak",lack of peak, NO PEAK period of time can be stored in a battery (just like the one in your car) then used the next day or whenever by changing it back to Utility type power with an off the shelf inverter.
Our Country does not need any more power plants or wind farms at this point in time. we need energy storage of the massive surplus energy we already make.
Perhaps this is so simple you can't reason it out and come over to the good side? Ask your child to help you it's your childs future too.
I didn't know you had a 10 year old that's wonderful, there's nothing better in life than children, enjoy.
Spending some time with your child you may remember I stated that I have explained how storing "off peak" energy
now going to waste can be used the following day during the "peak" to the 10 year old children in my neighborhood in less than 5 minutes. You may want to ask your child to explain this to you?
Think real hard about this KMA if you have a "peak" then you must have an "off peak", lack of peak, NO PEAK!!!
The energy on the grid during the "off peak",lack of peak, NO PEAK period of time can be stored in a battery (just like the one in your car) then used the next day or whenever by changing it back to Utility type power with an off the shelf inverter.
Our Country does not need any more power plants or wind farms at this point in time. we need energy storage of the massive surplus energy we already make.
Perhaps this is so simple you can't reason it out and come over to the good side? Ask your child to help you it's your childs future too.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
Using your logic a journalist on a cruise ship would have to write a story if they saw one happening. Is that true also?
And once again, what code of ethics do journalist take?
Your a self-claimed environmentalist correct? Are we expected to hold you up to the ethics of environmentalism for every blog you write?
Using your logic a journalist on a cruise ship would have to write a story if they saw one happening. Is that true also?
And once again, what code of ethics do journalist take?
Your a self-claimed environmentalist correct? Are we expected to hold you up to the ethics of environmentalism for every blog you write?
Julie Brooks, Editor [Visitor] writes:
To Stephen Peckham: Please do not use profanity in your comments. In one of your comments, we digitally bleeped your word by inserting asterisks. But the next time you use profanity in your comments, we will delete the entire comment. Thanks for your cooperation.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Mr Green Jeans,
I get the peak off peak thing. Thanks for explaining it to me. It's all spelled out on your web site. Is it your web site.
You know what my issue is with you. You haven't told us that your hear selling your product. Won't even admit the web site you direct us to is yours.
If I buy one of your Mr Electricity systems and I've figured it would cost about $6,500, correct me if I'm wrong, how long would it take to recoup the cost?
I get the peak off peak thing. Thanks for explaining it to me. It's all spelled out on your web site. Is it your web site.
You know what my issue is with you. You haven't told us that your hear selling your product. Won't even admit the web site you direct us to is yours.
If I buy one of your Mr Electricity systems and I've figured it would cost about $6,500, correct me if I'm wrong, how long would it take to recoup the cost?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Peckham,
You got ratted out. I think somone told on you. I'm confused by Julie's comments, can we use asterisks instead of profanity?
You got ratted out. I think somone told on you. I'm confused by Julie's comments, can we use asterisks instead of profanity?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA of course a journalist wouldn't have to write about it but if he did he would be bound by a code of ethics. That site is posted on this one.... please scroll up to find it.
Little Fish in a Big Pond [Visitor] writes:
Pete I'm not really following you here. But anyway, the statement I made was an opinion indeed about wind projects. I did not single out Cape Wind. I also implied that it was backed by people with with a "vested" interest. You assume that means people purchased and as far as people who know little about it, I don't see any credentialed people that would be summoned to wittness in court to give testimony about the facts of wind power weighing in here. You yourself said you've looked at this issue for about 2 years. Am I right? Would hate to not "report" my facts straight. I'm no expert by any means but I am qualified as anyone to draw my own conclusions. I am not really interested in making anyone a believer in me, which is what I think far too many people are really all about here. I'd like to know outside of what the "salesmen" have to say about how it's gonna make my clothes whiter, teeth brighter and improve my.... oops almost got in the mud there... I don't trust anyone that refuses to talk about the not so pretty side effects or drawbacks. Opposition always does more research.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
....Sorry to have missed the last hour. I'm sure not missed by some of you. I have been busy booking charters from the "rape and pillage" gang that souper5 has included me in. I answered his concerns on another blog in the most polite and non-threatening way I could.
Also, I have been redesigning my website to garner more of the positive economic impact of the turbine project. I am creating a new site changing MAVERICK CHARTERS - FISHING ADVENTURES to MAVERICK CHARTERS - ADVENTURE RIDES. Now I will have the amusement park people degrading me as well as pro wind. I hope I don't put any roller coasters out of business. I enjoyed them so much when I was a kid. That and standing up to the bully in the school yard.
Also, I have been redesigning my website to garner more of the positive economic impact of the turbine project. I am creating a new site changing MAVERICK CHARTERS - FISHING ADVENTURES to MAVERICK CHARTERS - ADVENTURE RIDES. Now I will have the amusement park people degrading me as well as pro wind. I hope I don't put any roller coasters out of business. I enjoyed them so much when I was a kid. That and standing up to the bully in the school yard.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Pierre I posted the site here just scoll up to find it. I realize it is not an oath but a journalist is bound by a code.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Peter,
I don't have to I just asked if I could.
Magical,
Here is a code of ethics I found, that I think reflects what Jack has tried to do here.
Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
Unfortunately, he has had limited success.
I don't have to I just asked if I could.
Magical,
Here is a code of ethics I found, that I think reflects what Jack has tried to do here.
Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
Unfortunately, he has had limited success.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear KMA,
Perhaps I have been to harsh with the 10 year old logic and their ability to understand, but it's true.
Perhaps they are much more open to new ideas? Or perhaps you have to many other thoughts and like so many they bundle up your mind to think logicaly?
Lets start by a simple question: Please tell us everything you know about Electricity, to qualify you to make comments about the good or bad of building the wind farm.
If you really don't know anything about Electricity don't be afraid to say so. There are so many "experts" making National decisions on energy that don't have a clue either. Such as the entire U.S. House and Senate Committee's working on the Energy Bill all the way to the DOE, EPA and President Bush's special advisors on Energy & Technology.
How do I know that? I have spoken to many of them and written to all of them so many times I have frozen up two high power computers with the records still on them.
What could be more simple than using more of the energy we already have by storing it for later?
Perhaps I have been to harsh with the 10 year old logic and their ability to understand, but it's true.
Perhaps they are much more open to new ideas? Or perhaps you have to many other thoughts and like so many they bundle up your mind to think logicaly?
Lets start by a simple question: Please tell us everything you know about Electricity, to qualify you to make comments about the good or bad of building the wind farm.
If you really don't know anything about Electricity don't be afraid to say so. There are so many "experts" making National decisions on energy that don't have a clue either. Such as the entire U.S. House and Senate Committee's working on the Energy Bill all the way to the DOE, EPA and President Bush's special advisors on Energy & Technology.
How do I know that? I have spoken to many of them and written to all of them so many times I have frozen up two high power computers with the records still on them.
What could be more simple than using more of the energy we already have by storing it for later?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
Here are a few more codes for photojournalists as well.
Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations
Here are a few more codes for photojournalists as well.
Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
A professional journalist has a leg up on bloggers but with that leg up comes responsitility.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Green,
Fair enough, I know if I don't plug my toaster into the funny hole in the wall, the bread comes out the same way it went in.
Thats all I know about electricity.
The only reason I want the wind farm (and your assuming I do) is to see those pretty little blades spinning around just like a pinwheel.
Now that I've answered, it's your turn. I don't dispute your information. Do you sell Mr Electricity?
Fair enough, I know if I don't plug my toaster into the funny hole in the wall, the bread comes out the same way it went in.
Thats all I know about electricity.
The only reason I want the wind farm (and your assuming I do) is to see those pretty little blades spinning around just like a pinwheel.
Now that I've answered, it's your turn. I don't dispute your information. Do you sell Mr Electricity?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA so what is your point? I am not a professional photojournalist. I am a professional phtotgrapher. Photos I use on my blog are not news photos. But even so, my enhancement of a photo used on my blog was done for technical clarity as it was blurry and washed out.... and as you can see that is always permissible even if I were a professional pohotjournalist, which I am not.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Jack has certain advantages as a professional journalist. that is the leg up on the rest of us.
BUT KMA why do you continue to publish a code that is not applicable to me... it is only applicable to Jack and other professional journalists.
BUT KMA why do you continue to publish a code that is not applicable to me... it is only applicable to Jack and other professional journalists.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Oh KMA nice try! Cite all of the rules not just one that suits your argument. but you are no doubt one of Jack's minions and so not credible. Even your name is what it is anonymous.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Well if you expect Jack to abide by some code of ethics when the rest of us (unless you subscribe to big fishes theory) don't have to, I guess your expect a lot.
If Jack does, and the rest of us don't than this blog is meaningless.
Again, do you have the example of Jack's which you keep referring to? I am really interested in seeing it. It would help with this conversation.
Don't you think your Cruise Ship analogy was a little far reaching?
If Jack does, and the rest of us don't than this blog is meaningless.
Again, do you have the example of Jack's which you keep referring to? I am really interested in seeing it. It would help with this conversation.
Don't you think your Cruise Ship analogy was a little far reaching?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
PS KMA I am not a professional environmentalist. LOL
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear KMA,
I have gone to your stack up in pricing out a Mr.Electricity from www.mrelectricity.com then contacted a couple of Electricians for an estimate on the installation cost.
Because the product comes plug & play the number including installation of the biggest system you have choosen seems to me to be closer to $4,o00. Not over $6,000 like you have calculated
I think where you went wrong is your $2,000 estimate for the Electrican. The ones I talked to almost choked on your estimate.
I would think you would ask the MA Energy Trust for a rebate. They have them for every other type of Renewable Energy Product, including the wind farm.
The problem you may find is the MA Energy Trust has admitted they have no one on staff who is qualified to evaluate a new Energy saving technology.
This is the same statement made by Executive Director Shevlin of the MA Department of Telecommunications & Energy. What are we paying these guys for anyway?
I have gone to your stack up in pricing out a Mr.Electricity from www.mrelectricity.com then contacted a couple of Electricians for an estimate on the installation cost.
Because the product comes plug & play the number including installation of the biggest system you have choosen seems to me to be closer to $4,o00. Not over $6,000 like you have calculated
I think where you went wrong is your $2,000 estimate for the Electrican. The ones I talked to almost choked on your estimate.
I would think you would ask the MA Energy Trust for a rebate. They have them for every other type of Renewable Energy Product, including the wind farm.
The problem you may find is the MA Energy Trust has admitted they have no one on staff who is qualified to evaluate a new Energy saving technology.
This is the same statement made by Executive Director Shevlin of the MA Department of Telecommunications & Energy. What are we paying these guys for anyway?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Is Jack getting paid for his work here? Are people buying his work?
Does he have an editor or publisher that oversees his work?
Or is he just involved in the conversation like the rest of us?
Does he have an editor or publisher that oversees his work?
Or is he just involved in the conversation like the rest of us?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Whether or not Jack is getting paid is irrelavant. The question is whether or not he is a professional photojournalist and if he is he is bound by a code of ethics and a higher standard than the rest of 'us'... he should at least set a good example and that he definitely does not. I would never ever point my child to Jack as an example of what a professional journalist is. Never!
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Thanks Green,
You just keep plugging away don't you. You are quite the salesman.
I bet you could sell ice to the Eskimos.
I'm thinking of buying a system, can you refer me to one of the electricians you talked to?
You just keep plugging away don't you. You are quite the salesman.
I bet you could sell ice to the Eskimos.
I'm thinking of buying a system, can you refer me to one of the electricians you talked to?
Little Fish in a Big Pond [Visitor] writes:
Do you ever think about the tribes of people and some Quakers and Menonites and the like, plowing their fields with their animals and eating all kinds of food with high cholesteral without any body fat to speak of because they don't sit in front of a computer from the crack of dawn till the midnight hour. Picture them sitting around the table laughing and joking instead of watching the fear mongers on TV selling us ways to be happy and healthy cause we are not. Just sitting happy and content with life and with each other having no opinion about any of this. Those childlike "fools" that would call us all very learned, sophisticated energy greedy/dependant people pretty foolish and in some ways be very right where we are all wrong? Gee how primitive and uncivilized.... lets kill them shall we or just make them more like us wouldn't that be fun? We can all (well some of us can) choose to decide the fate of the planet to save or destroy our little piece of the third stone because we and our governments know best. Yahoooooooooooo! We are like Gods knowing good and evil are we not?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
I'm going to sign off for a bit, I'll try to pick-up later.
While I'm gone, would you post the reference to Jack that makes you dispute his professionalism. I would appreciate that Magical.
And for you MR Electricity, I need the name of your electrician and a contact at Mr Electricity I can talk to about one of those "peak, off peak" systems.
Thanks,
While I'm gone, would you post the reference to Jack that makes you dispute his professionalism. I would appreciate that Magical.
And for you MR Electricity, I need the name of your electrician and a contact at Mr Electricity I can talk to about one of those "peak, off peak" systems.
Thanks,
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Well, gotta get some work done here. I'll be back to check in to see if Jack has the guts to answer what would appear to be a very simple question and one he would be proud to answer unless of course he knows he has been exposed.
Julie Brooks, Editor [Visitor] writes:
KMA--we ask that no one uses profanity, with or without asterisks.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Duly noted Juile,
By the way, si there a code of conduct for using this web site? I couldn't find one.
By the way, si there a code of conduct for using this web site? I couldn't find one.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear KMA,
If you do decide to buy a Mr.Electricity I saw all the contact information on their web site. You can do a search on the internet for "MA Electrician" and find the nearest one in your area that's what I did.
If you do decide to buy a Mr.Electricity I saw all the contact information on their web site. You can do a search on the internet for "MA Electrician" and find the nearest one in your area that's what I did.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Thanks Julie for your indulgence... As well... What are the ground rules?
And: Is there any code for ~any~ professionals who post here...
Can we really all get "press passes"? No ****?!
Lastly, How does one send flowers or a fish to a fellow blogger?
Thanks!
And: Is there any code for ~any~ professionals who post here...
Can we really all get "press passes"? No ****?!
Lastly, How does one send flowers or a fish to a fellow blogger?
Thanks!
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear KMA,
Electricity is produced by two magnetic fields one is stationaery and the other is rotating around it.
In conventional power plants, Oil, Natural Gas, Wood, Biomass, Coal, even Nuclear we use a fuel to heat water to make steam to turn a steam engine to turn the rotating magnets in the generator.
This produces an Electro-Magnetic Force (EMF) which is another name for Voltage.
Called a sine wave as it goes first into a positive peak then back through neutral to a Negative peak.
Sine waves are produced in the U.S. at the rate of 60 cycles per sec. In Europe it's 50 cycles per sec.
If you turn on a light bulb the EMF will force electrons (Amps) through the bulb and light it, using a little of the force of the sine wave to do it.
If you do not turn on a light bulb that same amount of EMF will go unused and be wasted when the sine wave collapses after it's 1/60 th of a second life, replaced on the grid by a new one.
That's what I mean when I say "off peak" energy is just going to waste. And the missing component is energy storage.
Electricity is produced by two magnetic fields one is stationaery and the other is rotating around it.
In conventional power plants, Oil, Natural Gas, Wood, Biomass, Coal, even Nuclear we use a fuel to heat water to make steam to turn a steam engine to turn the rotating magnets in the generator.
This produces an Electro-Magnetic Force (EMF) which is another name for Voltage.
Called a sine wave as it goes first into a positive peak then back through neutral to a Negative peak.
Sine waves are produced in the U.S. at the rate of 60 cycles per sec. In Europe it's 50 cycles per sec.
If you turn on a light bulb the EMF will force electrons (Amps) through the bulb and light it, using a little of the force of the sine wave to do it.
If you do not turn on a light bulb that same amount of EMF will go unused and be wasted when the sine wave collapses after it's 1/60 th of a second life, replaced on the grid by a new one.
That's what I mean when I say "off peak" energy is just going to waste. And the missing component is energy storage.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear KMA,
If you do buy a Mr.Electricity from the folks at www.mrelectricity.com and you do request a rebate from the MA Energy Trust, you may want to mention to them a study based on DOE, EPA, and the Alliance to Save Energy statements and grade school math that proves no other technology comes even remotley close to reducing CO2 and Global Warming.
The study is based on a 10,000 watt home energy storage system compared to trading in your car for one getting first a 10 mile per gallon increase then a true zero emissions car.
You would need to drive the car getting the 10 mile increase over 87,000 miles per year and the zero emissions car 48,700 miles per year to equal the homes
5.5 tons per year reduction.
Governor Romney could bring his emissions trading program to the individual home level with this knowledge.
The Cape Light Compact could aggragate and sell the certifacates on the International Carbon Market, reducing the cost of Electricity even more.
Our Nation does not need any more energy generation including the wind farm we need energy storage.
If you do buy a Mr.Electricity from the folks at www.mrelectricity.com and you do request a rebate from the MA Energy Trust, you may want to mention to them a study based on DOE, EPA, and the Alliance to Save Energy statements and grade school math that proves no other technology comes even remotley close to reducing CO2 and Global Warming.
The study is based on a 10,000 watt home energy storage system compared to trading in your car for one getting first a 10 mile per gallon increase then a true zero emissions car.
You would need to drive the car getting the 10 mile increase over 87,000 miles per year and the zero emissions car 48,700 miles per year to equal the homes
5.5 tons per year reduction.
Governor Romney could bring his emissions trading program to the individual home level with this knowledge.
The Cape Light Compact could aggragate and sell the certifacates on the International Carbon Market, reducing the cost of Electricity even more.
Our Nation does not need any more energy generation including the wind farm we need energy storage.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Thanks Mr. Electricity,
And wbat's that web site again?
Is it www.mrelectricity.com?
And if you go there, and go to the contact page there will be a link to the same email address as yours. What a coincidence.
And wbat's that web site again?
Is it www.mrelectricity.com?
And if you go there, and go to the contact page there will be a link to the same email address as yours. What a coincidence.
Julie Brooks, Editor [Visitor] writes:
To Peckham and KMA--there is not as yet an official code of conduct for people using this site. We remind people of our no profanity rule as it's needed, which is not often. Even if we did have some sort of statement of this code somewhere on the site, the type of person who posts profanity would not abide by it anyway.
Allow me to make the distinction between bloggers and commenters. Magical and Jack Coleman are bloggers--they have blogs in which they post pieces, and they also post a lot of comments on other people's blogs. But there are more than a few people such as yourself who comment prolifically (which is fine) but don't have a blog. Gadfly is an example of this. We need to coin a term for it. Any suggestions out there?
We have offered such people whose comments are well written, thoughtful, funny, and not vulgar or obnoxious to have their own blog on this site. So far Gadfly has resisted but he'll break down sooner or later ;)
Allow me to make the distinction between bloggers and commenters. Magical and Jack Coleman are bloggers--they have blogs in which they post pieces, and they also post a lot of comments on other people's blogs. But there are more than a few people such as yourself who comment prolifically (which is fine) but don't have a blog. Gadfly is an example of this. We need to coin a term for it. Any suggestions out there?
We have offered such people whose comments are well written, thoughtful, funny, and not vulgar or obnoxious to have their own blog on this site. So far Gadfly has resisted but he'll break down sooner or later ;)
KMA [Visitor] writes:
I guess you could call those who comment frequently "hecklers" only kidding.
Is it okay to post personal links to businesses? Let's say if I'm looking to generate sales and I do it under the guise as a blog?
Is it okay to post personal links to businesses? Let's say if I'm looking to generate sales and I do it under the guise as a blog?
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Green... I would be interested in knowing the actual cost of the batteries used to store the so-called 'wasted' energy (in a "typical household of say 2,500sf)... as well as the stated useful life expectancy of them. Please advise what the batteries are made of... ie lead/acid?
As well, I trust you have documentation confirming (by a certified independant nationally recognized testing agency/labs) any assertaions you claim as they relate to cost/efficiency & expected payback.
I (could be all wet but...)will take you to task as far as far as your claim that the energy just "goes unused and is wasted"... As long as there is a demand on the grid the energy will go to that location. The grid system is monitered in such a way to shunt the amount of power to where the demand is needed. Power plant(s) outputs are brought up or down depending that demand.
I was raised with the understanding that energy/matter cannot be destroyed or created. It merely is transformed from one medium to another. That being said - there must a trade off in your product namely efficiency.
As well, I trust you have documentation confirming (by a certified independant nationally recognized testing agency/labs) any assertaions you claim as they relate to cost/efficiency & expected payback.
I (could be all wet but...)will take you to task as far as far as your claim that the energy just "goes unused and is wasted"... As long as there is a demand on the grid the energy will go to that location. The grid system is monitered in such a way to shunt the amount of power to where the demand is needed. Power plant(s) outputs are brought up or down depending that demand.
I was raised with the understanding that energy/matter cannot be destroyed or created. It merely is transformed from one medium to another. That being said - there must a trade off in your product namely efficiency.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Opps... Julie! Guess the last couple of days or so rendered that concept moot... No blog for Me! :~)
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Stephen,
Amazing, you should have that published somewhere. Sorry, couldn't resist.
So what your saying then Stephen is that the electric cables that come to my house could be carrying electricity that I don't use to the next house?
Is that how it works? I don't have to feel guilty and store the electricity in my $ 4,000 dollar battery pack?
Amazing, you should have that published somewhere. Sorry, couldn't resist.
So what your saying then Stephen is that the electric cables that come to my house could be carrying electricity that I don't use to the next house?
Is that how it works? I don't have to feel guilty and store the electricity in my $ 4,000 dollar battery pack?
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Julie! Wait just a minute... Magical's postings are too obnoxious!
Please don't just take my word for it... Ask Jack, KMA, Souper... ANYONE! (except of course Barbara or Maverick... a close second)
And, despite some of us saying she is funny... we don't mean it in a entertaining sense. She drives us NUTS!
Besides, isn't insanity precluded from blogsiterdom? Who's in charge here anyway? I want to file a complaint!!!
I want my press pass!
Please don't just take my word for it... Ask Jack, KMA, Souper... ANYONE! (except of course Barbara or Maverick... a close second)
And, despite some of us saying she is funny... we don't mean it in a entertaining sense. She drives us NUTS!
Besides, isn't insanity precluded from blogsiterdom? Who's in charge here anyway? I want to file a complaint!!!
I want my press pass!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
KMA,
Admitidly, I have a basic knowledge of at least one topic of which I can speak with a reasonable amount of certainty.
What I am saying KMA is that you cannot draw anything off the grid that your house is not demanding or calling for.
In the case of a system that I believe Green is suggesting, he is prothletizing(big sp?) that there is excess that you can "capture". I don't accept that premise, and do offer that all that is happening is you are extracting electricity from the grid (and paying for it!), storing it in a battery via an inverter and then when and if needed you draw off the battery/inverter again to your loads.
This is fine in an "offpeak" situation when you pay less for electricity if the power company offered it which I don't think it does.
Otherwise, it makes perfect logical sense to connect a home based turbine (egad! Magical the noise!!!) to a battery / inverter system... provided the batteries etc. have an life expectancy / efficiency that warrants the expence of the system. Careful analysis is the prudent way to go.
Admitidly, I have a basic knowledge of at least one topic of which I can speak with a reasonable amount of certainty.
What I am saying KMA is that you cannot draw anything off the grid that your house is not demanding or calling for.
In the case of a system that I believe Green is suggesting, he is prothletizing(big sp?) that there is excess that you can "capture". I don't accept that premise, and do offer that all that is happening is you are extracting electricity from the grid (and paying for it!), storing it in a battery via an inverter and then when and if needed you draw off the battery/inverter again to your loads.
This is fine in an "offpeak" situation when you pay less for electricity if the power company offered it which I don't think it does.
Otherwise, it makes perfect logical sense to connect a home based turbine (egad! Magical the noise!!!) to a battery / inverter system... provided the batteries etc. have an life expectancy / efficiency that warrants the expence of the system. Careful analysis is the prudent way to go.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
souper5... One of your comments suggests that I came to this debate unarmed. No wit! You are correct. I thought this was all about energy and the environment not "wit". I had hoped that my contribution would be that of an individual who uses this waterway. My first posts were an observation as to the effect of this project on The Sound from my pont of view. I am not an energy expert but thought the good folks who don't venture out on the high seas might get a little different perspective.
I had hoped, having had the opportunity to share my experience, some might say, "why can't we find a land based site for this project that is less obtrusive to the environment and away from a major wildlife sanctuary(Monomoy) and a major migratory flyway(The Sound). I was attacked immediately. Why!
Thet don't want us to even consider a land based alternative because they are basically grabbing this land for free. Your land and my land. That is why any mention of "land based" brings out the attack dogs to divert the discussion into personalities vs. viable solutions.
I had hoped, having had the opportunity to share my experience, some might say, "why can't we find a land based site for this project that is less obtrusive to the environment and away from a major wildlife sanctuary(Monomoy) and a major migratory flyway(The Sound). I was attacked immediately. Why!
Thet don't want us to even consider a land based alternative because they are basically grabbing this land for free. Your land and my land. That is why any mention of "land based" brings out the attack dogs to divert the discussion into personalities vs. viable solutions.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Stephen,
I guess I missed the mark with my humor. I agree with what your saying.
I've asked Green a dozen times for cost savings and he hasn't delivered. He should know, he apparently is selling these things.
I've checked his web site and the only testimonials he offers are for emergency power in case of power outages.
My issue is that if he wants to pretend that he's an impartial blogger offering a solution he should at least admit that it's his company that he's directing people to. He hasn't done that.
I guess I missed the mark with my humor. I agree with what your saying.
I've asked Green a dozen times for cost savings and he hasn't delivered. He should know, he apparently is selling these things.
I've checked his web site and the only testimonials he offers are for emergency power in case of power outages.
My issue is that if he wants to pretend that he's an impartial blogger offering a solution he should at least admit that it's his company that he's directing people to. He hasn't done that.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Jack, et al...A beautiful Cardinal just perched ouside my window. I have three pair all winter long. One is my favorite. I think I will call her Magical.
Thank you Magical for keeping your cool and the good info coming.
Thank you Magical for keeping your cool and the good info coming.
Julie Brooks, Editor [Visitor] writes:
KMA--if someone wants to plug their product, so what? In the blogosphere, people are savvy enough to see through a sales pitch.
Stephen--I think Magical's postings are potent plain talk, which is different from obnoxious. References to a commenter's personal characteristics, (such as their love life, residence, etc. )rather than opinions, are obnoxious.
Insanity is rampant in the blogosphere. So is truth that the mainstream media can't cram into 60-second soundbites of news they run between car commercials.
Off topic: when is the last time anyone saw a TV commercial for something other than a car? I think there are now about 3,257 makes of cars and each has a commercial. How much of the price of a car is taken up by marketing?
Stephen--I think Magical's postings are potent plain talk, which is different from obnoxious. References to a commenter's personal characteristics, (such as their love life, residence, etc. )rather than opinions, are obnoxious.
Insanity is rampant in the blogosphere. So is truth that the mainstream media can't cram into 60-second soundbites of news they run between car commercials.
Off topic: when is the last time anyone saw a TV commercial for something other than a car? I think there are now about 3,257 makes of cars and each has a commercial. How much of the price of a car is taken up by marketing?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Jack...I am still waiting for a reply to my question regarding your psalm and epiphamy to the Romans, 1/22/06 11:31 AM. And PS you might also explain your posts immediately afterward. Now I know how the Christians felt being fed to the lions.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Maverick,
There are some that believe that the Sound is the best location for the wind farm. Far more consistent wind than on land.
As far as your land grab theory, it's our Gov't that has requested that we develop renewable energy.
Why in your opinion is the ocean out of bounds but it's okay to continue to rape what little land we have left?
I live in Sandwich, do you think I like looking at an industrial power plant on my waterfront? Not to mention what it's spewing out.
How many squre miles of ocean do we have? We can't use a tiny spec to generatae some clean electricity?
We have the fishing industry, and the shipping industry using the ocean.
I believe that we someday will develop alternative energy that will render wind power useless and when that day comes we can take down the towers.
There are some that believe that the Sound is the best location for the wind farm. Far more consistent wind than on land.
As far as your land grab theory, it's our Gov't that has requested that we develop renewable energy.
Why in your opinion is the ocean out of bounds but it's okay to continue to rape what little land we have left?
I live in Sandwich, do you think I like looking at an industrial power plant on my waterfront? Not to mention what it's spewing out.
How many squre miles of ocean do we have? We can't use a tiny spec to generatae some clean electricity?
We have the fishing industry, and the shipping industry using the ocean.
I believe that we someday will develop alternative energy that will render wind power useless and when that day comes we can take down the towers.
Little Fish in a Big Pond [Visitor] writes:
"Can bloggers get press passes?
Yes. Some government agencies have established procedures for obtaining press credentials (a means of identifying yourself as a journalist). Government agencies are prohibited from deciding arbitrarily whether you are entitled to a press credential, and are required to publish the standards used. See, e.g. the State Department Press Credential Standards. For example, a federal court determined that Consumer Reports was unconstitutionally denied access to the Congressional press gallery based on "arbitrary and unnecessary regulations with a view to excluding from news sources representatives of publications whose ownership or ideas they consider objectionable." That's according to the EEF. We have a member here and blogger who is familiar with what they believe to be the truth. If its a false statement than maybe somebody needs to take them to court and wrestle their sources to the ground. Good Luck! But what the hey, we can only believe what we choose to believe harvested from the internet right?
Yes. Some government agencies have established procedures for obtaining press credentials (a means of identifying yourself as a journalist). Government agencies are prohibited from deciding arbitrarily whether you are entitled to a press credential, and are required to publish the standards used. See, e.g. the State Department Press Credential Standards. For example, a federal court determined that Consumer Reports was unconstitutionally denied access to the Congressional press gallery based on "arbitrary and unnecessary regulations with a view to excluding from news sources representatives of publications whose ownership or ideas they consider objectionable." That's according to the EEF. We have a member here and blogger who is familiar with what they believe to be the truth. If its a false statement than maybe somebody needs to take them to court and wrestle their sources to the ground. Good Luck! But what the hey, we can only believe what we choose to believe harvested from the internet right?
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Not sure if I would praise someone who has melted into a puddle before our very eyes for "keeping your cool," but that's just me.
Breezy [Visitor] writes:
Let me get this straight -- if the wind doesn't blow, the wind farm can't produce any energy. Do the power plant people know when it's going to be a still day and when it's going to be a windy day ? It sure sounds like inconsistent energy production to me. If it's super windy then we will have
overproduction of energy and wasted energy. If we don't have enough wind and we've come to rely on the wind, then we will have insufficient energy production. Seems to me that the ability to store the energy (whether wind energy, solar, or electricity is the way to go). I'd also like to have a back up system in my home so when we lose power again due to a storm or insufficient capacity (my town is growing real fast and National Grid can't keep up with demand) my house will be all systems go. It's a real downer in the winter when we lose power.
The wind farm is too inconsistent in its production and cannot store energy.
overproduction of energy and wasted energy. If we don't have enough wind and we've come to rely on the wind, then we will have insufficient energy production. Seems to me that the ability to store the energy (whether wind energy, solar, or electricity is the way to go). I'd also like to have a back up system in my home so when we lose power again due to a storm or insufficient capacity (my town is growing real fast and National Grid can't keep up with demand) my house will be all systems go. It's a real downer in the winter when we lose power.
The wind farm is too inconsistent in its production and cannot store energy.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Little fish,,
You proved your point. From now on all bloggers are journalist. No degree needed, no work expeience necessary, no age requirements, if you can blog your a certified journalist.
I can't wait to tell my kid. Hey Johnny, do you want to go the beach, or would you rather cover the Kerry press conference?
You proved your point. From now on all bloggers are journalist. No degree needed, no work expeience necessary, no age requirements, if you can blog your a certified journalist.
I can't wait to tell my kid. Hey Johnny, do you want to go the beach, or would you rather cover the Kerry press conference?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Breezy,
Today is your lucky day. just go to www.mrelectricity.com and he can hitch you up with a bunch of batteries for your basement.
It's only about $ 4,000 dollars, half-down with order and major credit cards accepted.
It sounds exactally what your looking for. As a matter of fact, if I didn't know better, it could of been them that wrote the blog.
Today is your lucky day. just go to www.mrelectricity.com and he can hitch you up with a bunch of batteries for your basement.
It's only about $ 4,000 dollars, half-down with order and major credit cards accepted.
It sounds exactally what your looking for. As a matter of fact, if I didn't know better, it could of been them that wrote the blog.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Julie... I will give you the "potent" part ok! And, leave the precise dictionary definition alone, because I am such a gentleman, as you must know by now.
But, will offer... you hit the nail on the head! Just a suggestion... You might want to have your source available for documentation. Be honest with us... Did Jack put you up to this?
Will let the "plain talk" aspect of your kind reply to another deserving blogger, and / or commenter who may have something more/less interesting and blogworthy than me. I like to share the sand box you know?
So, now that you have cleared up some of the issues... I am a bit further confused and in need of more clarification if you will:
Based on what you say relative to referencing "commenters" - "personal characteristics" - I am wondering if it does indeed apply to the defined "blogger" as well?
Can they be a blogger AND a commenter on their sites AND others? Don't their rolls change? And... If so, then is it then ok to refer to their personal characteristics if we don't use profanity and such?
Define "insanity" for me.
:-)
But, will offer... you hit the nail on the head! Just a suggestion... You might want to have your source available for documentation. Be honest with us... Did Jack put you up to this?
Will let the "plain talk" aspect of your kind reply to another deserving blogger, and / or commenter who may have something more/less interesting and blogworthy than me. I like to share the sand box you know?
So, now that you have cleared up some of the issues... I am a bit further confused and in need of more clarification if you will:
Based on what you say relative to referencing "commenters" - "personal characteristics" - I am wondering if it does indeed apply to the defined "blogger" as well?
Can they be a blogger AND a commenter on their sites AND others? Don't their rolls change? And... If so, then is it then ok to refer to their personal characteristics if we don't use profanity and such?
Define "insanity" for me.
:-)
Julie Brooks, Editor [Visitor] writes:
Stephen--you or anyone can refer to both bloggers and commenters' personal characteristics as long as you dont use profanity. But if you do, people will not value your opinion and will just hink you're obnoxious.
I do not understand any part of this sentnce in your comment:
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But, will offer... you hit the nail on the head! Just a suggestion... You might want to have your source available for documentation. Be honest with us... Did Jack put you up to this?
______________________________
Please clarify.
I do not understand any part of this sentnce in your comment:
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But, will offer... you hit the nail on the head! Just a suggestion... You might want to have your source available for documentation. Be honest with us... Did Jack put you up to this?
______________________________
Please clarify.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Jack...the only puddle I can see is the one under the "locker room" gang. Time to change pants and underwear folks! And, thanks for responding or was it to someone else's post.
I still have not heard a word from you or Peckerhead regarding you remarks of 1/22/06.
Julie if that is off limits please inform and I will abide. If it's OK I have a new new handle for SP. Also, I love the new name for my Cardinal.
I still have not heard a word from you or Peckerhead regarding you remarks of 1/22/06.
Julie if that is off limits please inform and I will abide. If it's OK I have a new new handle for SP. Also, I love the new name for my Cardinal.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
You're right KMA... Sorry to miss the in the cheek part! That was good!
And yes... You dummy! Of course it is ok to spend 4k on the batteries and such. As a matter of fact it is a good idea... It will help keep the foundation and your house in place in all likelyhood prevent it from blowing away in all the turbulence(sp) that the wind farm is expected to cause. The heck with the noise!
And yes... You dummy! Of course it is ok to spend 4k on the batteries and such. As a matter of fact it is a good idea... It will help keep the foundation and your house in place in all likelyhood prevent it from blowing away in all the turbulence(sp) that the wind farm is expected to cause. The heck with the noise!
Julie Brooks, Editor [Visitor] writes:
The term is...Barnacles. Our genius site editor Maggie Kulbokas came up with this term for personalities who comment on blogs a lot but don't have their own blog. This is not a derogatory term, nor is this a negative behavior. Maggie's words about barnacles:
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Sometimes they can exist in a symbiotic relationship, sometimes they just have to be scraped off.
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I suppose a person could be a barnacle on a website or a particular blog. CapeCodToday.com has many barnacles (Gadfly, Stephen, bryfry, Dads in Louisiana) and even more lurkers (people who read message boards or blogs a lot but never comment.) Last week, a person I know just revealed himself to be a lurker on CapeCodToday.com and I advised him to seek professional help ;)
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Sometimes they can exist in a symbiotic relationship, sometimes they just have to be scraped off.
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I suppose a person could be a barnacle on a website or a particular blog. CapeCodToday.com has many barnacles (Gadfly, Stephen, bryfry, Dads in Louisiana) and even more lurkers (people who read message boards or blogs a lot but never comment.) Last week, a person I know just revealed himself to be a lurker on CapeCodToday.com and I advised him to seek professional help ;)
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
A p.s. on my PS. Magical, is there a bird with this name? I wouldn't want to insult the bird.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Julie, In saying "you hit the nail on the head" I am refering to you saying Magical is "potent". And, you should have a reference (dictionary) handy to source (and defend!) your definition should it become necessary... which has been the case since Macical has been calle on the carpet of late.
By way of asking if "Jack put you up to this?" I was merely suggeting that it was Jack who offered the (adjective?) "potent".
I hope you realize that the ENTIRE post was just a funnin you!
And of course... Teasing Magical. Really... it was supposed to be FUNNY!
I thought it would be apparent(sp?) by the "Insanity" request.
Hope someone got it... KMA? Help me out! Don't let me sink on this one! Jack... someone!!! Toss me a life ring Maverick!
By way of asking if "Jack put you up to this?" I was merely suggeting that it was Jack who offered the (adjective?) "potent".
I hope you realize that the ENTIRE post was just a funnin you!
And of course... Teasing Magical. Really... it was supposed to be FUNNY!
I thought it would be apparent(sp?) by the "Insanity" request.
Hope someone got it... KMA? Help me out! Don't let me sink on this one! Jack... someone!!! Toss me a life ring Maverick!
Anonymous [Visitor] writes:
I'm confused, I thought Maverick named the Cardinal Magical?
Julie, I hope you don't scrape to many barnicles off the boat. It's what makes the boat so colorful.
Julie, I hope you don't scrape to many barnicles off the boat. It's what makes the boat so colorful.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Yo Maverick!... That's a good one! Yup, that's (Peckerhead) left over from elementary school. So very appropriate coming from you... so I understand and it's really ok.
I will do my best to come up with an equally appropriate and "sophmoric" handle for you... "fish-breath"? Just you wait! Give me my marbles back swabbie!
If you would please restate "you remarks of 1/22" and I will reply... maybe with a good one.
Gotta do an errand.
I will do my best to come up with an equally appropriate and "sophmoric" handle for you... "fish-breath"? Just you wait! Give me my marbles back swabbie!
If you would please restate "you remarks of 1/22" and I will reply... maybe with a good one.
Gotta do an errand.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Maverick, sigh on Cardinal. You put a huge smile on my face when I got back to this blog. I love it! :)
Little Fish in a Big Pond [Visitor] writes:
KMA
When you laugh delighted at your own oh so very snappy comebacks which is how I imagine this happens and is evidently why you are here, do you laugh alone and does the sound make an echo or what? Take Johnny to the beach and say "look son, take a real good look, one day who knows there may be turbines here as far as the eye can see. Spinning or just rusting away, won't that be great son just think you won't have to look at this natural view ever again. We are just another witty remark away from making a difference yuk yuk yuk. Or you can take him to a John Kerry press conference and TELL HIM WHAT TO THINK, I'm sure he won't have any other political view point but yours. At least he won't admit them to you. Where you take your son and what you tell him is a decision only you have to make. Keep it to yourself. Please don't expect any more from me in response to anything of this caliber. Feel free to have the "last laugh" on me because, as my cousin Vinny said "done with this guy!"
PS Glad the difference between a blogger and commenter was made clear thought that was a given.
When you laugh delighted at your own oh so very snappy comebacks which is how I imagine this happens and is evidently why you are here, do you laugh alone and does the sound make an echo or what? Take Johnny to the beach and say "look son, take a real good look, one day who knows there may be turbines here as far as the eye can see. Spinning or just rusting away, won't that be great son just think you won't have to look at this natural view ever again. We are just another witty remark away from making a difference yuk yuk yuk. Or you can take him to a John Kerry press conference and TELL HIM WHAT TO THINK, I'm sure he won't have any other political view point but yours. At least he won't admit them to you. Where you take your son and what you tell him is a decision only you have to make. Keep it to yourself. Please don't expect any more from me in response to anything of this caliber. Feel free to have the "last laugh" on me because, as my cousin Vinny said "done with this guy!"
PS Glad the difference between a blogger and commenter was made clear thought that was a given.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Little Fish,
WOW, you've summed it up quite well. Where did we go wrong? I thought we had something special.
If I knew about your sensitve side I would have never posted a response to your position about all bloggers being journalists. Silly me, I thought blogging was about the exchange of ideas.
And about my son, he is a Jr. Journalist. He will seek the truth. Fair and balanced. Maybe someday, he'll even write about those rusty old wind farms.
Here's another quote from a movie you may be interested in..."you can't handle the truth".
WOW, you've summed it up quite well. Where did we go wrong? I thought we had something special.
If I knew about your sensitve side I would have never posted a response to your position about all bloggers being journalists. Silly me, I thought blogging was about the exchange of ideas.
And about my son, he is a Jr. Journalist. He will seek the truth. Fair and balanced. Maybe someday, he'll even write about those rusty old wind farms.
Here's another quote from a movie you may be interested in..."you can't handle the truth".
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
PS. Maverick, there is no such bird as a peckerhead... but I see there is a barnacle named as such. Rock on!
As to Barnacle... Maggie you are a wizard! :) I was trying to come up with a word that might describe it and lets just say, Maggie I am at your feet! Brava!
As to Barnacle... Maggie you are a wizard! :) I was trying to come up with a word that might describe it and lets just say, Maggie I am at your feet! Brava!
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Little Fish in a Big Pond...Please don't swim away. This debate needs your intuitive read, knowledge and life experience. Please don't leave the rest of the good folks here in this quagmire alone. If it wasn't for great people like yourself, Magical and the others, I would be sitting in my foxhole swatting lies(sorry flies) all by my lonesome.
I love this blog...I learn something new every day. I learned that the wind only blows on the open ocean, not on land. Huh! Then why the hell did I lose all those shingles off my roof the other night?
I love this blog...I learn something new every day. I learned that the wind only blows on the open ocean, not on land. Huh! Then why the hell did I lose all those shingles off my roof the other night?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Breezy you make excellent points that the people really need to think about. I too would like to have a back up system other than a generator (which I don't have here but uses gasoline).
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Anonymous?...which one of the group of anonymous stone throwers are you? I mentioned in my first blog I am not a wordsmith, sorry if I confused you in any way. Your play on words is great. Did you take lessons in one of Jack's journalism classes or the pr school at Cape Wind. Doesn't matter. The peckerhead is SP, the Cardinal is obviously Magical. How could anyone ever confuse the two? Very easy with the confusion your group creates around the "turbine factory".
If you know anything about wind power, not birds, please enlighten me as to the research that went into land vs. water for a location. As you would suggest to Magical,"is that to much to ask".
If you know anything about wind power, not birds, please enlighten me as to the research that went into land vs. water for a location. As you would suggest to Magical,"is that to much to ask".
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Julie, thank you for your fire extinguisher, open mind and humor. Most appreciated!
Little Fish in a Big Pond [Visitor] writes:
Never said I was going anywhere Maverick, fact is I just signed off from any further jousting with.... well with the proud parent of a jr journalist. See a lot of people like to say what they know and who they know and the great thing about cyberspace is you can be or believe you are whomever you are convinced you are. As a master in "tongue-fu" I have sworn to use my powers only for good, so I can not violate my code or I will be shamed in front of my masters.... NOT. But wherever a freethinking people rise up to to answer the cry of the weak hearted fainters, I'll be there... where ever spin doctors make a twirl at putting the truth in the wind, you'll find me.... truth justice and something else but I forget now what the end of that was. Nope Maverick I went toe to toe with Russian Spetznaz agents and they blinked, not me (true story).... I don't cut and run, trust me.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Magical... You, you, you...****!
Maverick... If you paid attention, done any research or reading or maybe even noticed while you were out on your fishkilling craft... You would come to understand that the winds are 'more consistant' and at a 'higher velocity' in certain areas on the water. Some more than others. Then again, you seem to have more than a few obvious observational deficiancies.
Suggestion... Move your house onto a barge and anchor in Horseshoe Shoals for a spell. Maybe loose the rest of your mind... er... I mean shingles! Watch your soundings now.
Opps, are you a 'blogger' or a 'comentator'... I just remembered: You must be the "lurker" - Julie mentioned earlier! Remember?... "Seek professional help"
Darn... Did I just refer to your "personal characteristics"?
Don't want to be known as the... sigh... "O" man!
Maverick... If you paid attention, done any research or reading or maybe even noticed while you were out on your fishkilling craft... You would come to understand that the winds are 'more consistant' and at a 'higher velocity' in certain areas on the water. Some more than others. Then again, you seem to have more than a few obvious observational deficiancies.
Suggestion... Move your house onto a barge and anchor in Horseshoe Shoals for a spell. Maybe loose the rest of your mind... er... I mean shingles! Watch your soundings now.
Opps, are you a 'blogger' or a 'comentator'... I just remembered: You must be the "lurker" - Julie mentioned earlier! Remember?... "Seek professional help"
Darn... Did I just refer to your "personal characteristics"?
Don't want to be known as the... sigh... "O" man!
Little Fish in a Big Pond [Visitor] writes:
Arrrrr sea faring tales... reminds me of the time I was stranded off the coast of Nebraska.... drinking whale blood to stay alive... the wind was still and the night was sultry
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear Breezy,
Thank you I believe you have it. For the rest of you for the wind farm you should learn from Breezy. We should all be open minded and learn together. Who knows from this start Cape Cod Today may end up being the famous start our a better energy solution for our Nation.
So lets all go for a little trip together and come back to this site with more knowledge.
Lets go to the California power grid first at www.caiso.com then scroll down to a little box a tap on it to see "todays outlook"
The graph you will see can be enlarged by tapping on it. From the scale on the left you will see every box is 1,000 MWh
Under the grath you can add up the 24 hours of "SURPLUS" energy in the red two red bars. If CA is not having a blackuot this is all "SURPLUS" purchased by Governor Davis's long term energy contracts in 2001 at about $120 per MWh
so it better be there.
I did a get calculation and for the day the CA grid has a little over 200,000 MWh of "SURPLUS" energy going to waste
at a cost of about $24,000,000. billed in the overall rate structure to CA ratepayers.
Thank you I believe you have it. For the rest of you for the wind farm you should learn from Breezy. We should all be open minded and learn together. Who knows from this start Cape Cod Today may end up being the famous start our a better energy solution for our Nation.
So lets all go for a little trip together and come back to this site with more knowledge.
Lets go to the California power grid first at www.caiso.com then scroll down to a little box a tap on it to see "todays outlook"
The graph you will see can be enlarged by tapping on it. From the scale on the left you will see every box is 1,000 MWh
Under the grath you can add up the 24 hours of "SURPLUS" energy in the red two red bars. If CA is not having a blackuot this is all "SURPLUS" purchased by Governor Davis's long term energy contracts in 2001 at about $120 per MWh
so it better be there.
I did a get calculation and for the day the CA grid has a little over 200,000 MWh of "SURPLUS" energy going to waste
at a cost of about $24,000,000. billed in the overall rate structure to CA ratepayers.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
And once again, if you'd like not to be left out in the dark....please visit, Mr Electricity.com.
Master Card/Visa accepted.
Master Card/Visa accepted.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Oh, I forgot to mention while you are on the CA power grid site did you happen to notice the downward slope in the load demand starting at 10:30 AM until about 4:30 PM when it should be gowing up?
What do you think caused that to happen?
I don't think all the factories and offices had a false start for the day and then they shut everything off again and went home do you?
10:30, 10:30, 10:30 what could it be?
If you said the sun came up on oall the CA solar panels and also warmed the earth in cotrast to nearby water and made wind turbines turn you are truly being blessed with knowledge.
Did you also notice the Utilities did not turn down their generators during the time solar and wind energy reduced the load demand, in fact they just finished ramping them up.
When you look at the downward slope with knowledge you may find yourself understanding that putting solar and wind energy onto the power grid is just increasing the amount of energy going to waste.
Where should we go next? NE, NY, TX, or the PJM Interconnect the power grid from NJ to DC?
What do you think caused that to happen?
I don't think all the factories and offices had a false start for the day and then they shut everything off again and went home do you?
10:30, 10:30, 10:30 what could it be?
If you said the sun came up on oall the CA solar panels and also warmed the earth in cotrast to nearby water and made wind turbines turn you are truly being blessed with knowledge.
Did you also notice the Utilities did not turn down their generators during the time solar and wind energy reduced the load demand, in fact they just finished ramping them up.
When you look at the downward slope with knowledge you may find yourself understanding that putting solar and wind energy onto the power grid is just increasing the amount of energy going to waste.
Where should we go next? NE, NY, TX, or the PJM Interconnect the power grid from NJ to DC?
Little Fish in a Big Pond [Visitor] writes:
Some "BLOGGERS" LIE over the ocean. Some "BLOGGERS" LIE over the sea.
Some "BLOGGERS" LIE over the ocean.
Which "BLOGGERS" are lying to me?
Maverick I'll sail with you any day, Captain you have my vote of confidence and nothing to gain by false tales of the sea.
Some "BLOGGERS" LIE over the ocean.
Which "BLOGGERS" are lying to me?
Maverick I'll sail with you any day, Captain you have my vote of confidence and nothing to gain by false tales of the sea.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
P-head...you are correct. My sight isn't quite what it used to be. But still good enough to see through the PR blitz you folks have launched complete with character assasination. You and Jack's remarks of 1/22/06 are still on the blog. Surprising! With Cape Wind being such a large advertisor on CCT I would have thought they would have called Julie to get them deleted as they are so objectionable. If you don't remember them maybe the same thing that is happening to my sight is happening to your memory. Would you like me to retype them for all the good folks.
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Lets go for a trip to the New England Power Grid at http://energycrisis.lbl.gov/ne
Be sure to type it just like you see it or we will loose you. On the NE grid the scale is in Gigawatts, So in the early hours you have a "SURPLUS" of 10 GWh or 10,000 MHw dropping down to only 5,000 MWh during the middle of the day.
How much energy will the wind farm being producing when it is producing energy?
How does this compare to 10,000 and 5,000 MWh already on the grid going to waste? Energy storage makes a lot more since than more energy generation, plus like Breezy said she would also be getting a fuel-less, silent, automatic source of backup power for power outages.
Before we leave the New England site we can go to some of the other State sites I mentioned. On all of these what have we learned about 10:30 AM?
Your right the sun came out and turned on the solar panels and wind turbines bringing the load demand on the grid down. And here again it's just reflected as more "SURPLUS" energy on the grid just going to waste. If you want more go to http://currentenergy.lbl.gov/ny
Be sure to type it just like you see it or we will loose you. On the NE grid the scale is in Gigawatts, So in the early hours you have a "SURPLUS" of 10 GWh or 10,000 MHw dropping down to only 5,000 MWh during the middle of the day.
How much energy will the wind farm being producing when it is producing energy?
How does this compare to 10,000 and 5,000 MWh already on the grid going to waste? Energy storage makes a lot more since than more energy generation, plus like Breezy said she would also be getting a fuel-less, silent, automatic source of backup power for power outages.
Before we leave the New England site we can go to some of the other State sites I mentioned. On all of these what have we learned about 10:30 AM?
Your right the sun came out and turned on the solar panels and wind turbines bringing the load demand on the grid down. And here again it's just reflected as more "SURPLUS" energy on the grid just going to waste. If you want more go to http://currentenergy.lbl.gov/ny
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA... if Green Energy has a product he believes in that will help us in our energy crisis with clean energy why make such a fuss? I don't see you making a fuss about Jim Gordon and Cap Wind the project he believes in!
Great gadfly, [Visitor] writes:
OUCH!
I have just read through 364 posts plus the blog itself. What I have to show for the effort is some new knowledge about power generation and a couple of new rules (actually, old ones restated)...but not much else. WHEN are we going to get down to the specifics of who will produce how much energy? Who will most benefit from this new energy? What will the impact of this new energy be on the Cape's energy Costs? And a few dozen other relevant items.
I can't believe I read the whole thing.........bloggers, posters, barnicles, lurkers.......what has the world come to? And there sits the Blogfather, grimacing and counting his hits, shaking his head and cursing the wealthy of the world. We ALL should get a life.
All for now.
I have just read through 364 posts plus the blog itself. What I have to show for the effort is some new knowledge about power generation and a couple of new rules (actually, old ones restated)...but not much else. WHEN are we going to get down to the specifics of who will produce how much energy? Who will most benefit from this new energy? What will the impact of this new energy be on the Cape's energy Costs? And a few dozen other relevant items.
I can't believe I read the whole thing.........bloggers, posters, barnicles, lurkers.......what has the world come to? And there sits the Blogfather, grimacing and counting his hits, shaking his head and cursing the wealthy of the world. We ALL should get a life.
All for now.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
I'm not making a fuss, I'm just trying to understand if he is refering to back-up energy in case of a power outage, compared to the need for more energy.
On a given summer day when the demand is high, we as a nation are at our limits. If thats the case then yeah, let's have an emergency generator. Home Depot sells them. But we also need to consider more sources of energy like a wind farm to meet the demands.
Look at the projections on how much energy this country will be demanding in the next 20 years. Where is that going to come from, the batteries in your basement?
Read his blog, "silent backup power for power outages"
I'm not making a fuss, I'm just trying to understand if he is refering to back-up energy in case of a power outage, compared to the need for more energy.
On a given summer day when the demand is high, we as a nation are at our limits. If thats the case then yeah, let's have an emergency generator. Home Depot sells them. But we also need to consider more sources of energy like a wind farm to meet the demands.
Look at the projections on how much energy this country will be demanding in the next 20 years. Where is that going to come from, the batteries in your basement?
Read his blog, "silent backup power for power outages"
Great gadfly, [Visitor] writes:
I can't believe I read this whole thing. I can't believe I learned so little that is actually relavent to the Cape Wind discussion. Bloggers, barnicles, lurkers.....who cares?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
GG,
Knock yourself our, you asked the questions. Give us some answers. Who, what, when, where, why.
I'll listen
Knock yourself our, you asked the questions. Give us some answers. Who, what, when, where, why.
I'll listen
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Good comment GG, as always. I have some great hot off the presses new information to post that I am sure you will be gratified to read.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
Please use the info to start a new blog. This one is toast!
Please use the info to start a new blog. This one is toast!
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
KMA that is my intention. Might take me a day or two but I think it should provide for interesting discussion.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Can't wait, can you officially end this blog. Nobody, not even GG should have to read through this entire blog.
That would be cruel and unusual punishment.
Good Night!
That would be cruel and unusual punishment.
Good Night!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Maverick, yes please cut/paste your request... I'm too pooped to go searching. Thanks. If you don' know how Magic will help you... she likes you! I can tell.
Green man... If all this surplus energy is being sent into the grid and not being used... you are telling us that it just vanishes? Sorry to say... it just don't work that way!
Electricity can be compared to water coming out of your faucet. You open the valve... it flows. The faster it flows the more water (amperage)you get.
Pumps (electric generators) are used to supply a constant pressure (voltage) within the system (pipes/wires) so that the water (electricity) is available when you want/need it.
If no water is being consumed the pressure (voltage) will remain the same in the pipes (wires) but, the pumps (generator) will only produce enough pressure (voltage) in the lines to ensure there is water (elecricity) there when it is needed (demand).
In the case of power plants... The generators are either backed off(idled... like a clutch on a car) or in some cased shut down if the demand is low for long periods.
Green man... If all this surplus energy is being sent into the grid and not being used... you are telling us that it just vanishes? Sorry to say... it just don't work that way!
Electricity can be compared to water coming out of your faucet. You open the valve... it flows. The faster it flows the more water (amperage)you get.
Pumps (electric generators) are used to supply a constant pressure (voltage) within the system (pipes/wires) so that the water (electricity) is available when you want/need it.
If no water is being consumed the pressure (voltage) will remain the same in the pipes (wires) but, the pumps (generator) will only produce enough pressure (voltage) in the lines to ensure there is water (elecricity) there when it is needed (demand).
In the case of power plants... The generators are either backed off(idled... like a clutch on a car) or in some cased shut down if the demand is low for long periods.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
GG...I agree with all your observations. Any time anyone tries to ask a question or express an honest opinion they get attacked. Why? The attackers don't want an intelligent discourse on the energy agenda. If the comment doesn't support their position..ATTACK..God Bless America and it's children( which includes every species that shares this world -humans are just one of many). We and all the children deserve better.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Maverick the beauty of all of is that we are gaining ground. And I know that drives the opposition wild. But they have held the floor for a very long time so I am sure they are extremely uncomfortable with voices of reason entering in. Male voices no less! Bravo!!!
Green Energy [Visitor] writes:
Dear Gadfly,
The answers to your questions are on this site read my posts again.
I'm sure you know about the Cape Light Compact?
The way to lower cost energy on the Cape is to get the knowledge I have been sending this site into the minds of the public. Once that happens the public will direct the Compact to request time of use bids from their energy provider.
Then every Cape Codder with an "off peak" Energy Storage System can start buying lower cost "off peak" energy for use during the "peak"
There is enough energy on our Nations Power Grids to power thousands of millions of homes just going to waste, and it's cheap.
My message has been the same. We do not need any more energy generation we just need to start using more of what we already produce and stop letting it go to waste.
The compact should also give rebates from the Renewable Energy funds they control.
Get this knowledge published as much and often as possible and the general public will make it happen.
This is not Rocket Science.
The answers to your questions are on this site read my posts again.
I'm sure you know about the Cape Light Compact?
The way to lower cost energy on the Cape is to get the knowledge I have been sending this site into the minds of the public. Once that happens the public will direct the Compact to request time of use bids from their energy provider.
Then every Cape Codder with an "off peak" Energy Storage System can start buying lower cost "off peak" energy for use during the "peak"
There is enough energy on our Nations Power Grids to power thousands of millions of homes just going to waste, and it's cheap.
My message has been the same. We do not need any more energy generation we just need to start using more of what we already produce and stop letting it go to waste.
The compact should also give rebates from the Renewable Energy funds they control.
Get this knowledge published as much and often as possible and the general public will make it happen.
This is not Rocket Science.
Great gadfly, [Visitor] writes:
KMA,
For starters:
1. Cape Wind will probably not get financing if they try to lock in a long-term rate. So, even if they can offer the Cape a meaninful rate reduction, it will be as fickle as market energy pricing. Any claims about long-term rate guarantees by Cape Wind are highly suspect.
2. Unless some altogether new technology and work vehicles are used, erecting these towers, especially in the shallower waters, will do enormous damage to the seabed.
3. No one has yet told us how much of an offset Cape Wind will offer Cape Cod against its overall electric rates.
4. In order to sell their power into the grid, Cape Wind will have to enter into a supply contract by which they will guarantee a minumum power supply. During periods of excess or insufficient wind Cape Wind will be forced to purchase power on the spot market at whatever premium this market commands & then transfer that power into the grid. Cape Wind might produce their own power at lower-than-market rates but any shortfalls will cost them dearly and raise their overall costs & our rates.
For starters:
1. Cape Wind will probably not get financing if they try to lock in a long-term rate. So, even if they can offer the Cape a meaninful rate reduction, it will be as fickle as market energy pricing. Any claims about long-term rate guarantees by Cape Wind are highly suspect.
2. Unless some altogether new technology and work vehicles are used, erecting these towers, especially in the shallower waters, will do enormous damage to the seabed.
3. No one has yet told us how much of an offset Cape Wind will offer Cape Cod against its overall electric rates.
4. In order to sell their power into the grid, Cape Wind will have to enter into a supply contract by which they will guarantee a minumum power supply. During periods of excess or insufficient wind Cape Wind will be forced to purchase power on the spot market at whatever premium this market commands & then transfer that power into the grid. Cape Wind might produce their own power at lower-than-market rates but any shortfalls will cost them dearly and raise their overall costs & our rates.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Magical..bon soire'. My bride just returned from work in Boston and deserves some attention. Thanks to you and all the great folks for your honest, informative contributions. Little Fish in a Big Pond, thanks for continuing to swim in the shark tank. You have no idea how much it is appreciated.
Great gadfly, [Visitor] writes:
General Comment,
We can all enjoy our expansive juvenile mud slinging only so far. The Cape Wind issue is of historic importance to Cape Cod and the nation. I have been to enough meetings about this to last a lifetime and there are many more ahead. I simply have not heard a full, truthful presentation from Cape Wind. To make matters worse, the Army Corps of Engineers spent untold hundreds of thousands of dollars & tens of thousands of man hours and produced a 4000 page report that is viewed by other federal agencies and by the Cape Cod Commission as inadequate, incomplete and uniformative on critical issues related to this project.
We are expected to grant Gordon his construction and operating permits without having any concrete knowledge of his financing or of the precise economic benefit the nation and the Cape will derive. All we do know about Cape Wind's financing is, in Gordon's own words, that the project will be difficult to do without the substantial assistance of a federal (public) subsidy.
We can all enjoy our expansive juvenile mud slinging only so far. The Cape Wind issue is of historic importance to Cape Cod and the nation. I have been to enough meetings about this to last a lifetime and there are many more ahead. I simply have not heard a full, truthful presentation from Cape Wind. To make matters worse, the Army Corps of Engineers spent untold hundreds of thousands of dollars & tens of thousands of man hours and produced a 4000 page report that is viewed by other federal agencies and by the Cape Cod Commission as inadequate, incomplete and uniformative on critical issues related to this project.
We are expected to grant Gordon his construction and operating permits without having any concrete knowledge of his financing or of the precise economic benefit the nation and the Cape will derive. All we do know about Cape Wind's financing is, in Gordon's own words, that the project will be difficult to do without the substantial assistance of a federal (public) subsidy.
Great gadfly, [Visitor] writes:
Is anybody listening?
Jim Gordon and his partner made a fortune in the energy business. In fact he built and operated electric plants. His greatest success, I believe, was in the conversion of oil-fired plants to gas-fired plants and in his actual operation of gas-fired electric generation. Are Jim Gordon's claims about Wind power as valid now as his claims about natural gas plants were when he was profiting from them. The recent chaos in the energy markets shows us the error in believing natural gas would be a reliable and cost-effective fuel for our electric plants. What has Jim Gordon learned about projecting costs and benefits of new fuel scources?
Jim Gordon and his partner made a fortune in the energy business. In fact he built and operated electric plants. His greatest success, I believe, was in the conversion of oil-fired plants to gas-fired plants and in his actual operation of gas-fired electric generation. Are Jim Gordon's claims about Wind power as valid now as his claims about natural gas plants were when he was profiting from them. The recent chaos in the energy markets shows us the error in believing natural gas would be a reliable and cost-effective fuel for our electric plants. What has Jim Gordon learned about projecting costs and benefits of new fuel scources?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
GG, Jim Gordon's background is in marketing! I am sure it is not in his best interest to reveal what he knows about projected costs and benefits of new fuel sources. Just as it was not in his best interests to reveal the fine print on his claims for the residents of the Cape and the Islands.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Basicly, Gadfly... Not knowing from first hand information... but, "it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out... I will surmise, he has learned that there is a time and a place for everything. And, at a point in time... natural gas, was the way to go. Not only because it was more efficient and cleaner... it was more stable at the time cost wise.
Naturally, as things change due to a variety of economic and world conditions... it became apparent that in the longer term WIND is the next generation of affordable and consistant sources of energy... free of many outside problematic influences.
As far as what has Gordon learned of late? My opinion... is there are a lot more ignorant, self-serving, selfish, politically, and personally motivated, short sighted people with their heads buried deep in the sand than he ever anticipated.
I will so far as to say he is
probably disgusted about the whole process. If he were not convinced that he is proceeding with honor and conviction he would just hold on his cash and say the hell with you all.
He is a better man than that.
Naturally, as things change due to a variety of economic and world conditions... it became apparent that in the longer term WIND is the next generation of affordable and consistant sources of energy... free of many outside problematic influences.
As far as what has Gordon learned of late? My opinion... is there are a lot more ignorant, self-serving, selfish, politically, and personally motivated, short sighted people with their heads buried deep in the sand than he ever anticipated.
I will so far as to say he is
probably disgusted about the whole process. If he were not convinced that he is proceeding with honor and conviction he would just hold on his cash and say the hell with you all.
He is a better man than that.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Jim Gordon may very well be a good man who made a mistake and wan't far sighted enough to invest in a project that would really work and be good for the Cape.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Gadfly, your "for starters" post is (in my opinion) full of holes. I can not take the time to post now, but would like to tomorrow if my time permits.
It is obvious to anyone INFORMED & KNOWLEDGEABLE about the project... Which unfortunatly, for the most part does not include those with their made already made up by preconceived & erronious notions, poisoned by psydo-intellectuals, and selfserving naysayers... You do not know what you are talking about... and sling the bull (in my opinion) to read yourself in print as if you are an authority on economic feasibility etc.
Additionally... In my opinion, if you cannot see, nor understand "the precise (or otherwise) economic benefit(s) the nation, and the Cape will derive" lest I not mention... the health & enviormental benefits... You probably never will - you just don't get it. Breath deeply, and suck in a little more of the dirtiest air in the northeast part of the country for a start.
It is obvious to anyone INFORMED & KNOWLEDGEABLE about the project... Which unfortunatly, for the most part does not include those with their made already made up by preconceived & erronious notions, poisoned by psydo-intellectuals, and selfserving naysayers... You do not know what you are talking about... and sling the bull (in my opinion) to read yourself in print as if you are an authority on economic feasibility etc.
Additionally... In my opinion, if you cannot see, nor understand "the precise (or otherwise) economic benefit(s) the nation, and the Cape will derive" lest I not mention... the health & enviormental benefits... You probably never will - you just don't get it. Breath deeply, and suck in a little more of the dirtiest air in the northeast part of the country for a start.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Peckham you are obviously referring to yourself here.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Yes, Of course Magical! And Good Morning to you.
We likewise know where you stand don't we?
Or, do I sense perhaps... just a wee bit of vacillation on your part? Come on now... no one's looking so early but us. Whisper it to me...
We likewise know where you stand don't we?
Or, do I sense perhaps... just a wee bit of vacillation on your part? Come on now... no one's looking so early but us. Whisper it to me...
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
None whatsoever. I continue to research and present the facts.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Gadfly to resume...
1) You assert that Gordon will "probably not get financing if..."
What makes you so sure? He has made the offer on more than one occassion and knowing what I know about the man (who I do know personally), I will tell you he is a man with integrity and will do as he says he will. IF... the offer is accepted in a timely manner!
He will not wait around and base his business model (of which I am sure there are many... dependent on when & conditions it does come to fruition) on maybe... they will come to their senses. He will act at some point decisivly.
Rest assured the financing team at the table is all part of the package and behind him in either scenerio. No doubt he will make a lot more money if he just lets the rate float. But I do suggest, unlike you or me... Jim doesn't need the money.
He is doing this for all of us and our nations benefit. Think it BS if you will... but, I do speak with the knowledge it is the truth.
Will have to wait on #'s 2,3,4. Gotta work for a bit.
1) You assert that Gordon will "probably not get financing if..."
What makes you so sure? He has made the offer on more than one occassion and knowing what I know about the man (who I do know personally), I will tell you he is a man with integrity and will do as he says he will. IF... the offer is accepted in a timely manner!
He will not wait around and base his business model (of which I am sure there are many... dependent on when & conditions it does come to fruition) on maybe... they will come to their senses. He will act at some point decisivly.
Rest assured the financing team at the table is all part of the package and behind him in either scenerio. No doubt he will make a lot more money if he just lets the rate float. But I do suggest, unlike you or me... Jim doesn't need the money.
He is doing this for all of us and our nations benefit. Think it BS if you will... but, I do speak with the knowledge it is the truth.
Will have to wait on #'s 2,3,4. Gotta work for a bit.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
SP...Mr. Gordon is upset and disgusted because the good folks didn't swallow his PR hook, line and sinker. Time to rebait the hooks with some new PR and hopefully concrete, precise answers to all the questions that have been raised.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Peckham... so you are saying he is forcing this project that divides the Cape into warring factions for the good of the country? WE don't want it! And he isn't giving it away!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Ok, Magical... I respect your viewpoint (believe it or not) and, I am sure we will both do our best to present the facts without distortion... As they are revealed to us.
Good day.
Good day.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Maverick, Nope... I don't believe he is upset & disgusted. He is a very practical man with integrity. That is all. He will do what he has to to move forward to ensure the projects success.
He will answer to the good folks at MMS as directed in a timely manner.
No Magical, the project isn't being forced. There are always those who disagree with anything anyone else suggests. In time, what is best will prevail I am convinced.
Don't think he intends to "give it away"... believe me. Would you?
He will answer to the good folks at MMS as directed in a timely manner.
No Magical, the project isn't being forced. There are always those who disagree with anything anyone else suggests. In time, what is best will prevail I am convinced.
Don't think he intends to "give it away"... believe me. Would you?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Having spent the majority of my life in the not for profit sector I am the wrong person to ask, Peckham!
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Maverick,
The PR machine you speak of, not that the opponents have one of course, may persuade a few people either way.
But PR will do very little to change the Gov. agencies responsible for reviewing a very comprehensive application and permitting process.
The PR machine you speak of, not that the opponents have one of course, may persuade a few people either way.
But PR will do very little to change the Gov. agencies responsible for reviewing a very comprehensive application and permitting process.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
"Jim Gordon may very well be a good man who made a mistake and wan't far sighted enough to invest in a project that would really work and be good for the Cape".
Is this the same Jim Gordon that your commonly refer to as the "Snake Oil Salesman"?
"Jim Gordon may very well be a good man who made a mistake and wan't far sighted enough to invest in a project that would really work and be good for the Cape".
Is this the same Jim Gordon that your commonly refer to as the "Snake Oil Salesman"?
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Maverick [Visitor] writes:
KMA...Sorry! Just trying to catch up. In your post of 1/23/06 3:39 PM you state "okay to continue to rape what little land we have left". For openers, why if it's a land rape is it not the same on the ocean. A rape is a rape. Also, I didn't realize the wind blows on land out West but not in the East. It blows hard enough for a wind farm on land here. Unfortunatly, no one will give them the land so that avenue is off limits. What that tells me is it truly isn't about the benefit of wind power but the profitabiliy of the project for a few. Why can land based wind power work out West but not here in the East?
If I understand correctly your asking why this little spec of ocean can't be shared with fishing, shipping, recreational, etc. and all the other users who were there first. Because it would create a major hazard to the users that were there first and at the same time do ecologial damage that is still under review to determine the full extent.
If I understand correctly your asking why this little spec of ocean can't be shared with fishing, shipping, recreational, etc. and all the other users who were there first. Because it would create a major hazard to the users that were there first and at the same time do ecologial damage that is still under review to determine the full extent.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
KMA...Thanks for providing a new description for this project. I will refer to it as a land/water rape in the future. I always felt grab wasn't strong enough.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Maverick... I have been taken to taks so many times when I refer to Cape Wind raping the Nantucket Sound but now I see it is permissible thanks to KMA a follower of the Wind! Yup water rape it is.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Maverick,
I used rape because there just ain't that much land left. Wind does blow on land in the east but much more consistent over the ocean, you know that.
You say it would create a major hazard. Does the Coast Guard agree with you? I may be wrong and correct me if I am. But didn't they say it would not cause navigational hazards?
I used rape because there just ain't that much land left. Wind does blow on land in the east but much more consistent over the ocean, you know that.
You say it would create a major hazard. Does the Coast Guard agree with you? I may be wrong and correct me if I am. But didn't they say it would not cause navigational hazards?
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Don't let it go to your head now bryfry... take the darn award and sit you butt back down and get Magical to change change her mind. We have work to do! You can polish it up later.
Julie... In dire need of my press pass! Give it up!!!
Julie... In dire need of my press pass! Give it up!!!
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
KMA...On reflection I feel a little stronger about this so I will restate.
I will refer to it as a "LAND/WATER RAPE" in the future. I always felt "grab" wasn't strong enough.
I will refer to it as a "LAND/WATER RAPE" in the future. I always felt "grab" wasn't strong enough.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Yes they did KMA... as did FAA's oversight of air space as wlll did Dan Wolfe of Cape/AKK air. But, of course nay sayers know better. Duh?
That's a good one Maverick... "users were there first... and at the same time will do ecological damage still under review"...
So, after stating your case... If it is shown that any "damage" done will be negligable enough to warrant a permit to be issued by the agencies reviewing it... because the benefits outweigh the so called "hazards" etc... Would you accept their findings as fair and reasonable?
That's a good one Maverick... "users were there first... and at the same time will do ecological damage still under review"...
So, after stating your case... If it is shown that any "damage" done will be negligable enough to warrant a permit to be issued by the agencies reviewing it... because the benefits outweigh the so called "hazards" etc... Would you accept their findings as fair and reasonable?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Peckham.... don't forget we read your other posts and according to you Cape Wind will be grandfathered in so stop with the veil of reasonableness. So no if Cape Wind is to be grandfathered in it is not fair nor is it reasonable.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
KMA...Sorry! I have to question anything the USCG and Army Corp. have to say. I will put it under the umbrella of "job security". The USCG has not received the funding or budget they have requested for years. Their increased mission to include helping in the fight against terrorism has severly taxed their resources. Maybe the hazards of this project will provide the needed boost to increase their funding. Have any of these gov. groups provided experience for their opinions in a site that has exactly the same characteristics that this environment has. If so please enlighten me.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
What's wrong with RAPE? Fishermen, lobstermen, shellfishers do it... Why not Cape Wind? Enough rape already? Sorry... they should have their "piece" of the action too.
Time to share the sand box guys! And clean up your act. Hey, maybe more fish too! Na that is a bunch of bull. Just because it happens everywhere else in the world... "It can't happen here!" (Frank Zappa)
Time to share the sand box guys! And clean up your act. Hey, maybe more fish too! Na that is a bunch of bull. Just because it happens everywhere else in the world... "It can't happen here!" (Frank Zappa)
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
SP...to determine the full extent of the ecological damage. They have already admitted there will be some.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
I wouldn't be so sure about the Coast guard.... there is are new regulations coming down the pike!
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
SP...I didn't realize that you were like souper5 and didn't eat seafood. Try it. Gov. studies have suggested the omega oils were benficial to your health and mind.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
And fishing is not raping the Sound. There are regulations in place that do not allow it... most just need to be enforced. As Maverick says he responsibly avoids areas that are overfished.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Mav, I think souper5 and the like prefer FARM raised! ;)
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Magical... Pleased you do continue read mine and thank you for the opening to reinforce the topic.
The point is that the EXISTING RULES AND REGULATIONS in effect AT THE TIME Cape Winds proposal was submitted to the permitting agencies... is what the project will be reviewed under.
If that were not the case, it would be patently unfair, and unreasonable for ANY business to able to plan and operate for it's future survival.
It would be like submitting plans for a house you want to build based on the existing requlations... submitting them to the inspector, only to have him decide to change the regulations because he didn't like your design.
Of course... There are those who are trying to do just that but, I have faith in the system... So far.
The point is that the EXISTING RULES AND REGULATIONS in effect AT THE TIME Cape Winds proposal was submitted to the permitting agencies... is what the project will be reviewed under.
If that were not the case, it would be patently unfair, and unreasonable for ANY business to able to plan and operate for it's future survival.
It would be like submitting plans for a house you want to build based on the existing requlations... submitting them to the inspector, only to have him decide to change the regulations because he didn't like your design.
Of course... There are those who are trying to do just that but, I have faith in the system... So far.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
nonsense they have not been approved and should operate only under the current regulations. it is asinine to grandfather in a non-existent industrial plant.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
but don't worry peckham i am doing my homework and are currently corresponding with MMS.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Maverick... FYI: I fly my fish in from Alaska, along with fresh canned tuna because of pollution and overfishing out this way.
Not blaming you, or the other guys. What was done and the way it was done could certainly be classified as RAPE (in my mind).
The point being that fishermen operate (and continue to operate) under EXISTING rules and regulations afforded the industry and Cape Wind is doing EXACTLY the same thing. Not a thing wrong with that as far as I am concerned.
If the rules happen to change and the governing agencies and Cape Wind come to an negotiated agreement... well, so be it! If not... That's that.
Not blaming you, or the other guys. What was done and the way it was done could certainly be classified as RAPE (in my mind).
The point being that fishermen operate (and continue to operate) under EXISTING rules and regulations afforded the industry and Cape Wind is doing EXACTLY the same thing. Not a thing wrong with that as far as I am concerned.
If the rules happen to change and the governing agencies and Cape Wind come to an negotiated agreement... well, so be it! If not... That's that.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Peckham you are wrong... Cape Wind is not operating. It is still on the drawing board.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
That's GREAT Magical... you and MMS work out the arrangements & details so it can be built in a enviormentally non-threatening manner.
I am so glad you are making inroads... 'where no "man" has gone before.'
You have my approval and support - I'm behind you all the way! (carefull now)
God's speed and... Go Girl!
I am so glad you are making inroads... 'where no "man" has gone before.'
You have my approval and support - I'm behind you all the way! (carefull now)
God's speed and... Go Girl!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Magical... not saying "THEY" are grandfathered... THE REGULATIONS under which they will be reviewed ARE.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Ok, Magic... what ever you say... I know you are reviewing the plans and will render your decision shortly.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Okay gang, how about we end this overwhelming long blog and get back on the regular blogs now? We are discussing issues that should be elsewhere not burried in the lockerroom. What do you all think?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
SP, KMA...Couple of quick thoughts for you to chew on. As the saying goes,"the Army Corps. has never met a project it didn't like". Many of the dams in this country are testament to that. Some of us can think for ourselves and make decisions and form opinions from our own experience. I don't need the gov. to think for me nor do I believe everthing coming out of their mouths. i.e. weapons of mass destruction.
Regarding your canned tuna. It is albacore, not tuna, and there is great concern that the netting of this species by the Japanese and others may destroy this resource. Please don't eat too much for that reason and the governments concern over the amount of mercury in that product. Also, Alaska's
resource is also under great strain if you do your homework. And, for you folks and souper5 my pet cows are still off limits. Back to the locker room. BAAAAAH! BAAAAH!
Regarding your canned tuna. It is albacore, not tuna, and there is great concern that the netting of this species by the Japanese and others may destroy this resource. Please don't eat too much for that reason and the governments concern over the amount of mercury in that product. Also, Alaska's
resource is also under great strain if you do your homework. And, for you folks and souper5 my pet cows are still off limits. Back to the locker room. BAAAAAH! BAAAAH!
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Hey Cap't anyone tries to touch one hair on your cows give me a call! I will bring my mini longhaired dachshund over to defend them. He may be small but he is fierce!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Fine Magic... We all know that women rule. No way around it, so I will not argue anymore! ;~) Unless...
Maverick, All in all (personal opinion w/o the benefit of facts) for what they are charged with I think the Corps have done a fine job within the restraints of their confines. Bla Bla Bla...
As far as rendering a decision on this project... I think it is in good hands just where it is and has a fair chance of being fairly reviewed and approved.
Thanks for the info re Tuna... Can says "Albacore Tuna" - whatever? Has 2200mg of Omega3 and only 75 mg of sodium which I especially like.
As in any fish or animal product... moderation is the key (no need to remind me!) no doubt.
No doubt either that the entire fishing industry is under great strain and only a matter of time...
Find it interesting that you would accept, approve(?) and pass on gov findings as it relates to mercury... yet you seem hesitant to if the wind farm is approved and moves forward.
By the way... just out of curiosity... where do you keep those aformentioned pets of yours? Gettin' hungry!
Maverick, All in all (personal opinion w/o the benefit of facts) for what they are charged with I think the Corps have done a fine job within the restraints of their confines. Bla Bla Bla...
As far as rendering a decision on this project... I think it is in good hands just where it is and has a fair chance of being fairly reviewed and approved.
Thanks for the info re Tuna... Can says "Albacore Tuna" - whatever? Has 2200mg of Omega3 and only 75 mg of sodium which I especially like.
As in any fish or animal product... moderation is the key (no need to remind me!) no doubt.
No doubt either that the entire fishing industry is under great strain and only a matter of time...
Find it interesting that you would accept, approve(?) and pass on gov findings as it relates to mercury... yet you seem hesitant to if the wind farm is approved and moves forward.
By the way... just out of curiosity... where do you keep those aformentioned pets of yours? Gettin' hungry!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Ha... Magical dogs don't scare me!
But she does!
But she does!
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I never considered this problem but it makes sense. The wind plant is only valuable when it produces electricity when demand is high, otherwise it's a hit or miss proposition.