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Can We Drill Our Way Out?
Good news from Washington for the oil companies. The U.S. senate just passed a narrowly focused bill that will open 8.3 million acres for new energy development in the Gulf of Mexico [1]. A hundred miles off the coast of Florida, encroaching on a moratoria region, it is called “Sale 181 Area,” and may contain as much as 1.2 billion barrels of oil [2]. The house has its own version that is even more ambitious. It would expand the drilling to most of the continental shelf off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts [3]. And yes, this means off New England.
The senate majority leader Bill Frist rammed this bill through the senate during the remaining time for legislation this year without any amendments. Hyped to “Enhance the energy independence and security of the United States,” the hurried plunge will be sold to the public as an answer to our problems. And some people will believe it.
It seems this administration’s attitude is to convince the people of the U.S. that we can appease our oil gluttony if we just focus on drilling in the last reservoirs of oil under our control. This blind charge doomed any discussion in the senate of sensible provisions to address our addiction to oil, only a misguided attempt to feed it.
As dictated by Bill Frist, there were no amendments offered for stringent fuel efficiency standards for cars that really could drastically reduce imports. Try 40 mpg average rather than the current 21 mpg. That would save the import of some 4 million barrels a day from you know whom.
Unfortunately there was no discussion of repealing the total royalty relief programs for energy companies that are currently taking our oil for free. Traditionally, this royalty is one-sixth or 16% based on the selling price of oil. That relief was intended to encourage expensive deep drilling in our dwindling Gulf reserves. In truth it is a government giveaway of $7 billion dollars over the next five years to energy developers of royalties that belong to you and me [4]. And who’s making record profits? In this last quarter alone the windfall goes to: Exxon Mobil - $10 billion, ConocoPhillips - $5 billion, and BP - $7 billion. We pay for it at the gas pump. That’s simply outrageous.
And far beyond the imagination of most senators, much less for discussion, is the development of renewable energy for long-term sustainability. They could have at least extend the modest production tax credit for wind energy that ends next year. But no. Not in this bill. Better to drill for the dwindling reserves, feed the profits, and get elected again.
A billion barrels sounds like a lot of oil. But consider the reality in relation to our import of 11 million barrels a day [5]. Just suppose this new Gulf area could magically be brought online at a rate equal to these foreign imports. The production would last just about 110 days! We certainly are addicted to oil! Or more plausibly, if pumped at a rate of just one million barrels a day it would last for about three-and-a-half years. So what’s next? I’m concerned about an inconvenient conclusion.
Remember Denmark? In 1973 they generated 90% of their electricity from imported oil. Never again. Now not only are they energy self sufficient, but they export 50% of their oil, 30% of their natural gas and 19% of their electrical energy [6].
And remember wind energy? The wind is free and plentiful and not subject to cutoff. Denmark is the world’s leader in the generation of wind energy and also in the manufacturing and technology of wind turbines. By the way, where do you think the five big wind turbines in Massachusetts were made? You guessed it. Denmark [7].
So here we sit under the shadow of unhealthful emissions from the Canal power plant that consumes about 8 million barrels of oil a year. That’s almost two days production from all the oil wells in the continental United States [8]. And our Senator Kennedy and Representative Delahunt are doing all they can to kill the country’s first offshore windfarm on Nantucket Sound that could potentially replace 2 million barrels of that imported oil to generate pollution-free electricity with GE wind turbines and no global warming impact.
Unfortunately many members of congress feel compelled to drain the last of Mother Earth’s oil in a fleeting gluttonous feast of fun in big cars and energy company record profits to ensure their election for another term. With little view of the future and the impact of global warming they will quickly burn through our remaining resources that should be saved and stringently parceled out by future generations. It remains to be seen what the compromise bill will look like after the summer recess is over. But the oil companies will undoubtedly be delighted.
So, do you still think we can drill our way out? Think again. I just ordered my Prius.
Chuck Kleekamp, P.E. Ret.
Vice President, Clean Power Now
Footnotes:
1. “Senate Passage of Energy Bill Appears Assured,” by Michael Janofsky, New York Times, July 27, 2006. This is Senate Bill S. 3711 introduced on July 21, 2006.
2. Map of 181 Area identified as map 15, page 58, of the Proposed Final Outer Continental Shelf Oil and Gas Leasing Program for 1997-2002 of the Minerals Management Service.
3. Senate Bill Lifts Hopes of Big Oil Offshore,” by Clifford Krauss, New York Times, August 3, 2006.
4. U.S. Has Royalty Plan to Give Windfall to Oil Companies,” by Edmund Andrews, New York Times, February 14, 2006.
5. EIA This Week in Petroleum (Crude Oil), http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip_crude.html
6. Energy in Denmark 2003,” Danish Energy Authority, p. 9
7. The five large wind turbines in Massachusetts are manufactured by Vestas in Denmark and they are: Hull One - 660 kW, Hull Two - 1.8 MW; Massachusetts Maritime Academy – 660 kW; Orleans (to be delivered soon) two 1.5 MW units.
8. EIA This Week in Petroleum (Crude Oil):
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip_crude.htmlDaily US production in 2005 was 5.120 Mbbls/day, subtracting Alaska: 0.801 Mbbls/day = 4.319 Mbbls/day.
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08/04/06 @ 10:34 am capri writes:
"I didn't suggest it be in the Nantucket Sound... never heard of any offshore nuclear power plants. I suggested we possibly retrofit Pilgrim and expand it. After all it is arleady there. No opposition needed. :) Chuck said there were plans for another facility on that property. And I think what I am saying is valid. And my best effort. What's yours regarding placement of a nuclear power plant? And be serious. Believe me if I knew more about it and its requirements etc. I would voice a better opinion but as it is I know very little about it except that it seems that is the direction we are all going in and we have the technology already."
...My suggestion as to siteing was that I would definitely want to be 'upwind' of a facility if it were in my 'neighborhood'...
I don't believe that is the case if we "expand/retrofit" Pilgrim.
...Nantucket Sound?
Chuck, you like to say the wind is free, but in your favorite testing bed, Denmark, wind power is turning out to be very expensive. There is a bright side though- Denmark has been a great help in exposing the wind power myth.
See ABS Energy report link at www.counterwind.blogspot.com
“…Each country studied reported extreme difficulties in balancing the grid”
“The most important findings of this report highlight studies that raise critical concerns challenging some of the claims made for wind power. Badly needed evidence is now available after three years of large scale operation of wind turbines in five countries... These studies are the first real evidence showing how wind actually works, as opposed to what has been claimed, and come from some of the most authoritative voices on energy in the world. Reports from E.On Netz, the system operator with the largest wind power feed-in in the world, and Eltra of Denmark, which had the largest percentage wind power contribution, show disturbing results.”
Aren't most of 'us' guilty of this also?
- The wind farm WILL reduce pollution... By not burning fossil fuels
- The wind farm WILL generate a signifigant amount of electricity... Whether the Cape & Islands decides to purchace it at a fixed contract price is a choice that will have to be made by us.
- Bla bla bla...
- Yes, there will be some bird kills... How many is yet TBD
- Yes, there will be a change in the viewscape of Nantucket Sound...
The question is: Is the offset worth the benefit?
To me the answer is in the affirmative... We can agree to disagree and argue till we are blue in the face I am sure.
If the USCG determines that the Wind Farm WILL NOT... Adversly affect: Navigation / Rescue efforts in Nantucket Sound...
Do you feel you are qualified to argue with that?
Personnally, I think if a bloke was out there on the shoals in 50 knot winds...
He should not have been out there for one of three reasons:
1) He is an inexperienced mariner/boater and did not think (key word) to check the marine weather forcast before venturing out.
2) He is an blockhead.
3) #1 & #2
Of course outside of starting ~another~ family feud... For 'entertainment purposes' only I suggest you google:
'Stephen Peckham Cape Cod Cape Wind'...
And scroll down to the 'Wind Farm Stokes Family Feud' article...
I refuse futher comment on the grounds it may incriminate me!
P.s. Time to time I have given thought to running for political office...
Unlike Dougie Bennett who has a 'reasonably' clean past...
Something tells me that at some point when I least expect it...
One of my skeletons will jump out of the closet :~)
I would appreciate an answer.
I do not understand how it can possibly be interpreted what I said in my prior comments to mean any one "deserves to die". However...
I will say that ANYONE who finds himself out on the shoals in 50 knot winds is at the mercy of nature and his skill set.
If a USCG (or otherwise) rescue was undertaken it would be most likely by boat... Because it generally would be the most practical in Nantucket Sound.
You know as well as I that the chances of an incident such as you describe MIGHT happen once in a blue moon...
And, although it is prudent to take as much as practical into consideration...
It would seem to me, for the miniscule chance that such an incident might take place where a helicopter rescue is the only way to safely rescue a person...
We should not build CW.
Consider... There are NOT guard rails the entire length of the Mid Cape...
How about the # of deaths there yearly?
Not a joke... CCTimes's letter to the editor. You ~MIGHT~ just get a giggle.
Then again you will probably use it against me;~)
No, that is NOT an irrefutable fact. It’s just more wind power fantasy, repeated over and over. Read the following- from that new ABS Energy Research report.
“…because of this variability in wind, back-up fossil fuel plants must be operated at low load to maintain system reliability. There is new evidence that shows that switching base load fossil fuel plants on and off to balance a system produces higher carbon emissions than continuous operation, certainly not a supposed benefit from switching to renewable energy sources.”
Appear factual? What do you think?
And you also believe we might agree-“the wind farm will generate a significant amount of electricity...”
No agreement there either. For the past eight hours the wind farm would have generated nearly no power at all.
Will get back to you ASAP on the info regarding the ABS excerpt you claim as 'factual'.
I suspect otherwise, but like you, I am not a power plant engineer/operator but will do some research and comment accordingly...
Needless to say the quote from ABS falls into the category which Capri suggests needs to be done: "fact checking"
I think you are way out on a limb there Neil in your last assertation...
The obvious fact that the wind does not blow all the time nor consistantly at the same velocity...
Does not preclude that the claim cannot be made from actual studies over many years that Cape Wind will provide (key words now) ~ON AVERAGE~ upwards of 75% or MORE of the Cape and Islands energy needs.
To suggest it is not capable of doing so...
Is folly at best...
Think "One brief shining moment"...
In your Dal'liance ~in~ Camelot like conceptualization...
That just because the wind isn't blowing when you swing your 'mighty sword'...
It automatically means as Sir Sagramore says: "I have some rather painful news relative to the subject..."
Until you and I are shown concrete data to back up that “…on average 75%…” claim, it might be best to remain skeptical. Last I heard Cape Wind was still ignoring requests to review their wind speed records. Maybe they’ve found something they would like to keep from the public?
Good to see you acknowledge the variable nature of wind power. It might not be such a concern if there was not a constant demand for reliable electricity.
It really cannot be that hard to do the calculations if you are truly interested...
All you would have to do is take the readily available nameplate data from a turbine say from GE...
Take the windspeeds which are available from CW's site...
Run the numbers...
If you are REALLY interested just keep track of the hourly windspeeds from CW.
Just why do you think they should share their records with the general public?...
Are you any more privy to Miriants, Brayton Points or Pilgrims record keeping?
Or for that fact...
~Because I am sure you are going to say: "Yeah, but they aren't using a public resource."~ (Isn't Pilgrim on public land?)
...The company records from oil rigs, coal mining, forestry, cattle grazing, fishing boats...
~Are not for the public eyes either.
Maybe... They paid for the information they are entitled to keep for themselves!
Isn't it interesting though... Most all generating facilities ramp up and down as the load/demand varies?
You asked;
"Just why do you think they should share their records with the general public?"
See U.S.A. Corps of Engineer's "Cape Wind Data Tower Permit Application" web page-
http://www.nae.usace.army.mil/projects/ma/ccwt/windtower.htm
and/or
"Final permit for Data Tower"
http://www.nae.usace.army.mil/projects/ma/ccwt/permit.pdf
8. "Data obtained from the authorized work shall be provided upon request, and at reproduction cost, to any governmental entity or agency, and educational institutions, such as, but not limited to the Massachusetts Maritime Academy and the Renewable Energy Department at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst."
I say:
"Just why do you think they should share their records with the... (caps added for emphasis)GENERAL PUBLIC?"
You offer:
"8. "Data obtained from the authorized work shall be provided upon request, ...to any governmental entity or agency, and educational institutions, such as, but not limited to the Massachusetts Maritime Academy and the Renewable Energy Department at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst."
Is there something I am missing here?...
The general public is quite simply NOT any of those you offer.
Capri, My recollection is the incident you refer to was not on Horseshoe Shoals. And, I don't recall the helicopter making any 'rescue'... I believe it was a search for a missing person.
Regardless, either can be handled quite effectively within the planned spacing of Cape Winds turbines.
I fail to see the analogy you make between a cab and an ambulance... Both have 4 wheels and utilize a roadway.
Please answer my question re: "USCG determination"
I will go to a source that I believe to be credible and offer information relative to the question...
As you said I am just: "fact checking".
Again I ask:
"If the USCG determines that the Wind Farm WILL NOT... Adversly affect: Navigation / Rescue efforts in Nantucket Sound...
Do you feel you are qualified to argue with that?"
And I add: If the MMS ultimatly deterermins there will be no signifigant bird / wildlife kill...
Why should the project not be built?
"Maybe, but I %@*&$# doubt it"
I offer that an entity such as ISO NE has a lot more at stake than just to take someones word for it.
Myth#4...
"No power plant is 100% reliable. During a power plant outage—whether a conventional plant or a wind plant—backup is provided by the entire interconnected utility system.
The system operating strategy strives to make best use of all elements of the overall system, taking into account the operating characteristics of each generating unit and planning for contingencies such as plant or transmission line outages. The utility system is also designed to accommodate load fluctuations, which occur continuously. This feature also facilitates accommodation of wind plant output fluctuations. In Denmark, Northern Germany, and parts of Spain, wind supplies 20% to 40% of electric loads without sacrificing reliability. When wind is added to a utility system, no new backup is required to maintain system reliability."
I am sure the DOE has a copy of the report (relative to "righer carbon emmissions") made by ABS and will give it due consideration.
"If the USCG determines that the Wind Farm WILL NOT... Adversly affect: Navigation / Rescue efforts in Nantucket Sound...
Do you feel you are qualified to argue with that?"
What say ye???
Now you write:
"That is your naiveté showing windsmart with regards to information provided to a source for analysis. When that information comes from the source that has to gain and no other, conclusions are made that are, at best, biased in favor of that source. It goes on all of the time.
And you can go to a biased source of information if you wish. Nothing new to do that. But your conclusion will not be informed by the 'real' data."
Again, therefore I ask, if based on a USCG determination...
The "FACTS" that they have gathered conclusivly contradict your assertations so noted...
Are they now classified as a "biased source" and the USCG's "conclusion will not be informed by the 'real' data"?
Tell me do.
Is it my... 'Morning mouth'?...
Or are you in church praying I will forget I asked the same question a number of times and you are not forthcoming with any reply.
Perhaps you are in...
Mourning... Struggling with the loss of words to adequatly answer my question?
"I note your determined unwillingness to answer my question posed three times:
"If the USCG determines that the Wind Farm WILL NOT... Adversly affect: Navigation / Rescue efforts in Nantucket Sound...
Do you feel you are qualified to argue with that?"
What say ye???
Now you write:
"That is your naiveté showing windsmart with regards to information provided to a source for analysis. When that information comes from the source that has to gain and no other, conclusions are made that are, at best, biased in favor of that source. It goes on all of the time.
And you can go to a biased source of information if you wish. Nothing new to do that. But your conclusion will not be informed by the 'real' data."
Again, therefore I ask, if based on a USCG determination...
The "FACTS" that they have gathered conclusivly contradict your assertations so noted...
Are they now classified as a "biased source" and the USCG's "conclusion will not be informed by the 'real' data"?
Tell me do."
~Is it a case of "comprehension"?
Please tell me where I have "sidestepped" any "facts"?
As well, perhaps my reading comprehension has been er... ~"Obsfucated"~ by the tenacity of which you ignor my repeated question...
And I have simply... Um - somehow missed your question.
Please do me the honor of repeating yours.
I will be pleased to respond in a timely manner.
~Always
I rest my case.
Ergo... Could a reasoned person conclude:
Should the MMS after careful review of all pertainant data gathered by them...
They approve the Cape Wind project...
It should be built?
If not why not?
I never said Cape Wind should share their records with the general public. I said,
“Last I heard Cape Wind was still ignoring requests to review their wind speed records. Maybe they’ve found something they would like to keep from the public?”
The story I’ve heard is that an ‘educational institution’ and a ‘government agency’ have requested to study the wind speed data, but Cape Wind has not followed this condition of the tower permit. Maybe the picture to date is not so rosy. If that's the case, I can’t blame them for fearing ‘leaks’ to the general public.
If anyone has better information please correct me.
I will accept their decision which I trust will be based on fair and sound (pun intended) reasoning and of course in the public interest.
Needless to say, I would be dissapointed but having faith in the govenments most extensive electric power generating review ever conducted in the world...
I will conclude the right decision has been made for the right reasons.
Needless to say, if in fact "politics" plays a part in this decision...
I believe it will be... Not only an economic disaster for this country...
But, will most likely result in great political fallout... Which will bring about dramatic change in the way energy policy and projects of national interest are affected by "politics"...
Shortly thereafter.
I would be happy to follow up on your statement/story to confirm or dispute.
In the meantime, it seems you got one of those 'dangling participles' or 'something'...
You want a just a hanging out there Neil ;~)
But was good to chat with you in a civil manner and seemingly laid to rest a few matters anyway...
So, on an empty stomach I venture forth to see what adventure is lurking about!
~Adieu
P.s. Hopefully, Barbara will come clean... And might be able to engage the debate... Sans (so obviously) ulterior motives always attached in the disingenuious manner she currently comments.
I am ~on to her~ and she knows it.
At this point...
Barbara's credibility is...
~SHOT~
She is a shill for the EGANS & therefore for the Dal'liance in kind.
~A wolf in sheeps clothing~
The attitude of many grid operators to wind power can best be illustrated by the following quote from Eltra, the TSO in west-Denmark, “Seven or eight years ago, we said that the electricity system could not function if wind power increased above 500 MW. Now we are handling almost five times as much. And I would like to tell the Government and the Parliament that we are ready to handle even more, but it requires that we are allowed to use the right tools to manage the system.”
The capacity of European power systems to absorb significant amount of wind power is determined more by economics and regulatory rules than by technical or practical constraints.
Regards,
Chuck Kleekamp
Chuck Kleekamp
In England, the a requirements for off shore windfarms is that the rotors must be able to be quickly stopped by request, and in fact be stopped in the “Y” position. This allows their rescue helicopters to drop a line to the top of the nacelle so a technician in distress on the wind turbine can be rescued.
In addition, it allows safe rescue of boaters in the vicinity of wind turbines.
That seems a reasonable and sufficient requirement for new turbines which are now so equipped.
And so it goes with more off shore wind development in Europe.
Regards,
Chuck Kleekamp
Maybe... 'aphoristic' or 'contumacious' or 'bathetic' or 'demoniac'... Even - 'exhaustive'...
But to leave me sitting in a corner...
Thusly, a wounded spirit I waste.
Cringe and shivering so... Knowing I have been duly and publicly charged a, a... 'Scoundrel'
- Ah so, rightfully so.
Therefore, I prostrate (sic)myself before you... Dear hearts wounded and bleeding so
Repent, repent... At your knees I thee wait...
Punishment: The ultimate exposure of my acts and deeds done... Incommunicado my 'loved ones'!
So, I bid thee...
~FARE THEE WELL! and if forever,
Still forever, fare thee well:
Even though unforgiving, never
'gainst thee shall my heart rebel.
-Lord Byron
P.s. I have always thought respectable people scoundrels, and I look anxiously at my face every morining for signs of my becoming a scoundrel.
- Bertrand Russell
P.p.s. Does this mean I am still not invited to the first annual 'blogsluts anonymous' picnic?
Let's wait 'till September and maybe take a stab at it...
By then... Barbara will have both confessed forgiven me... And there's a good chance - I will forgive her for leading others into temptation.
Takes that long for blondes to cool down.
Speaking of Blondes...
THE FLIGHT ATTENDANT WATCHES HER DO THIS, AND ASKS TO SEE HER TICKET.
SHE THEN TELLS THE BLONDE THAT SHE PAID FOR ECONOMY CLASS, AND THAT SHE WILL HAVE TO SIT IN THE BACK.
THE BLONDE REPLIES, "I'M BLONDE, I'M BEAUTIFUL, I'M GOING TO BOSTON AND I'M STAYING RIGHT HERE."
THE FLIGHT ATTENDANT GOES INTO THE COCKPIT AND TELLS THE PILOT AND THE CO-PILOT THAT THERE IS A BLONDE BIMBO SITTING IN FIRST CLASS, THAT BELONGS IN ECONOMY AND WON'T MOVE BACK TO HER SEAT.
THE CO-PILOT GOES BACK TO THE BLONDE AND TRIES TO EXPLAIN THA T BECAUSE SHE ONLY PAID FOR ECONOMY SHE WILL HAVE TO LEAVE AND RETURN TO HER SEAT.
THE BLONDE REPLIES, "I'M BLONDE, I'M BEAUTIFUL, I'M GOING TO BOSTON AND I'M STAYING RIGHT HERE."
THE CO-PILOT TELLS THE PILOT THAT HE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE THE POLICE WAITING WHEN THEY LAND TO ARREST THIS BLONDE WOMAN WHO WON'T LISTEN TO REASON.
THE PILOT SAYS, "YOU SAY SHE IS A BLONDE? I'LL HANDLE THIS, I'M MARRIED TO A BLONDE. I SPEAK BLONDE.
THE FLIGHT ATTENDANT AND CO-PILOT ARE AMAZED AND ASKED HIM WHAT HE SAID TO MAKE HER MOVE WITHOUT ANY FUSS.
"I TOLD HER, "FIRST CLASS ISN'T GOING TO BOSTON".
~Will the person who sent me this please identify yourself.
Begins with a "S"
You know Capri, my recollection is that you told Chuck who posted this column that you would get back to him...
I think you owe him an apology for polluting his post with...
opps... Almost lost it there for a sec; time for my meds.
Anyway,Chuck is forever the kind and gracious gentleman and I am sure he has had more than his daily supplement today of vitamin B(blogslut) from us too.
I am sure he would like to hear from you (he probably wouldn't come to my party either;~( if you aren't in doing a little 'touchup' on yer locks.
~Ha
The Vestas V80 turbine at Scroby Sands is the same model that had transmission and transformer problems in the early days of the Danish Horns Rev wind farm.
Vestas has learned some expensive lessons. As the world’s largest manufacturer of wind turbines (30% of the market) the retrofit of equipment the Horns Rev offshore station now has achieved the highest capacity factor in Europe at 45 percent.
Furthermore, the successful Danish utility, Energy E2, that built the Nysted offshore wind farm will construct Horns Rev II, with 200 MW of capacity.
From Windstats Newsletter “the combined capacity factor of all 424 MW of offshore wind in Denmark was 39 percent in 2005, a year of relatively low winds."
This compares to Germany with a 16 percent average capacity factor. Hence the reason for poor performance in Germany was apparently poor siting with insufficient wind resources. That gives the industry a bad reputation. I would have thought the Germans to be smarter.
Regards,
Chuck Kleekamp
Jason Scagell, Director of E.ON UK Renewables, said: "We were very happy with Scroby's performance in the first half of the year, particularly as the operation was in its infancy, but the second half was less satisfactory due to a number of defects. That meant we had to carry out an extensive programme of modifications but, despite that, the wind farm still generated 153GWh, which is around 90% of our forecast annual output.
As for the England Offshore Saga: Developments so far:
North Hoyle 30 Turbines, Vestas V80, 2MW, Operational Dec 03
Scroby Sands, 30 Turbines, Vestas V80, 2MW, Operational Dec. 04
Kentish Flats, 30 Turbines Vestas, V90, 3 MW, Operational Sep 05
Borrow Offshore Wind, 30 Turbines, Vestas, V90, 3 MW, Operational May 06
Three other offshore sites under construction: Burbo Bank, Teeside, Shell Flat.
About 25 more offshore sites are under consent. An aggressive program.
Similar programs are in process for German, Dutch, and Swedish Offshore projects. Too much info for a short blog response. Maybe grist for another Footnotes Blog.
Chuck
Why it seems like almost every country in the world is building offshore wind farms EXCEPT THE US...
I am wondering if any of these countries / companies have talked to Barbara or Capri...
Don't they know that the turbines are killing all the Bald Eagles and most other species of birds in the world...
From what they say in a few short years when we look up the only thing we will see is the blue sky.
But then again, IF you can believe what they say...
Most of the turbines are falling apart or their is no wind at all to turn the blades...
And besides that... There is an unconfirmed prediction there will be an attempted rescue of a boater in distress who was ultimatly washed out to (sic) see...
Never (sic) scene again because the heli was chopped to bits by the nasty turbine blades!!!
Alas, I am sorry to admit... These women I once considered 'Wicked Wrenches'...
Are starting to make a believer out of me...
Tell me, tell me do ... It is not true...
That wind and turbines will soon cease to exist!
I implore you.
~Doo-doo?
You know that family type guy who is on the Board of Directors of the Dal'liance to "Protect" Nantucket Sound... Views for waterfront property owners...
Well, anyway... That bimbo blonde chick Capri/Magical was going to have a PIG ROAST at her pad and invite all us ~blogsluts~ for fun and games such as pin the tail on the donkey and fools ball type entertainment.
So, now she has blown the whole thing off and says for me to have a party at my not-so-special place (I have no furniture in my living room... just a ping pong table) so I can embarress myself by not having any other blogsluts show up...
I am just wondering though... I know that there are times that dem womensk just set me off and I can't help myself and I do a nut job on them...
But, if I were to have maybe a chicken roast (can't afford a whole pig ya know) with maybe some beans & slaw...
Would you come?
Afta all I went to Denmark w/you;~)
Sure thing. Anytime!
Regards,
Chuck K.
You have insightfully considered and perfectly expressed my frustration, and I thank you for that. I have addressed, ad nauseum, my volunteer status; my reasons for being committed to stop this grab; while perhaps not so much--that I recognize that Cape Wind represents the most significant land/ocean rights issue of our time. Cape Wind extolls a solution, while Cape Wind is intent on taking the American public to the cleaners, so that they can then claim stake our finite and precious ocean resource, and destroy this habitat and its inhabitants. I am deeply committed as you are to stop this travesty from destroying Nantucket Sound, and her abundant wildlife.
Central to the Cape Wind nightmare, is the MA Audubon Society's amnesia regarding the birds, up to 6,600 per year, that could become mortalities in the event of the permitting of this panacea.
Thank you for all you're doing, Capri,
to spare this place, Cape and islands' residents, and our wildlife from the exploitation and mutilation intended by this private developer and his cronies for profit, theirs.
I have been attending town planning board, zoning board, and permitting hearings for over 25 years. One tool that unfailingly comes out of a developers' tool box is the, "Okay, so you, as abutters, don't want us to build our upscale subdivision next to your bucolic neighborhood?" "Tell you what, the alternative as allowed under comprehensive permit is a high density low income housing complex." We own the land, and we are entitled to make a profit, which will it be, plan A or plan B?"
This "either or" scenario is exactly what I suspect is going on between Buzzards Bay and Nantucket Sound. Jay Cashman threw his hands up over bird issues in the first two paragraphs of an article that was written about his "proposal" for Buzzards Bay. Low and behold, MA Audubon's "roseate tern factory" description of Buzzards Bay was equally over the top.
Why would a developer bash his own project and roll over like a like drunken sailor on leave?
Perhaps, the "either or" scenario, Buzzards Bay or Nantucket Sound, has emerged from the developers' tool box.
com/daily/07-06/07-24-06/01local.htm
Wing Barrier
Potential bird hazards could kill wind project
By BECKY W. EVANS, Standard-Times staff writer
PETER PEREIRA/The Standard-TimesThreats to endangered birds present an obstacle to plans for a Buzzards Bay wind farm. Roseate terns nest primarily on Ram Island in Mattapoisett and Bird Island in Marion, and Buzzards Bay is home to nearly half of North America’s population of the endangered birds.
Boston construction giant Jay Cashman wants to build a massive wind farm in pristine Buzzards Bay, but says there is one potential obstacle.
"The one thing I am concerned about is birds," Mr. Cashman told a group in Fairhaven when he unveiled his $750 million renewable energy project earlier this month.
The project, known as South Coast Wind, calls for as many as 120 massive turbines in the bay. Clusters of 30 to 40 turbines would be planted 1 to 3 miles off the coast of Fairhaven, Dartmouth and Naushon Island, one of the Elizabeth Islands.
I will continue to resonate my claim (which is no doubt easier to prove... follow the money!) that you do in fact conspire with the EGANS to try and shed a negative light on the Cape Wind project by way of your misleading comments in CCToday etc.
Perhaps at least some of your frustration comes from making comments about CW which you must know in your heart are wrong and inherently self-serving to those you represent.
The "significant land/ocean rights issue" is well documented in the history of the United States and with MMS regulatory powers that have authority over land and bodies of water that private industry has jointly shared with the public for well over 100years.
The fact is... There are tracts of land that major contributors to the Dal'liance - who own waterfront estates - That benefit greatly from just such "land grabs" and you well know it.
Likewise, to erroniously suggest that CW will "destroy this habitat and its inhabitants"...
Is pure and unadulterated...
~Fish poop.
What am I missing? Does anybody care?
I realize this blog is dominated by a few and I just wonder what other readers think when they read the comments... if they even bother.
Regards,
Chuck K.
The 'either or scenario' from the developers "toolbox"...
Like the residents of the Buzzards Bay area will join hands and ~NOW~ get behind Cape Wind because they just don't want turbines in their local...
Pssst... 80+% Of Massachusetts residents already SUPPORT CAPE WIND.
They have some tools in their box...
It's called...
~Brains
Personally, I would like to see the Nantucket Sound area opened up to oil exploration...
When the first rigs start to show up along the shoreline...
Listen to Durkin scream then.
Now now Capri... Surely you understand the point I was making...
Wouldn't you rather have the magnificient sculptures in motion grace Nantucket Sound's: "National Treasure"...
Than a bunch of oil rigs?
Yup, I know... Neither.
But, guess what? We have to do something...
Unfortunatly, for a variety of reasons discussed many times over with you and many others... CONSERVATION... Just ain't gonna do it...
Yes, we ALL SHOULD do much more than we currently do...
But the practicality of quantitative conservation implemtation efforts... Even on an emergency basis... Would never be able to offset the current energy crisis we are experiencing...
So, open your eyes and realize that if you want to keep your lights etc on...
One day soon...
You may just have to come to grips with squinting a wee bit, in order to see the 8th Wonder of the World...
Cape Wind!
;~)
Yours are eloguent words: "Furthermore I see industrial wind power plants as nothing more than a symbolic band-aid on a growing cancer. It might cover it up for a second but meanwhile the cancer is festering and growing underneath and nothing therapeutic is being done."
Stephen:
Do you really think that I am answering to anyone on the Cape Wind issue? Is it so hard for you to grasp that I loathe this project as a private citizen, and so much so that I have determined that this threat merits my activism?
I speak for myself; and I am not in the least interested in being paid by the Egans, or by the Alliance, or by any entity or person who, or that, objects to this project for the same reasons I do.
Think about it, the either or scenario, which is the least of the evils, Buzzards Bay or Nantucket Sound? Note Jack Clarke's and Jay Cashman's raising the flags over the same birds in Buzzards Bay as exist in Nantucket Sound. Apparently, Jay and Jack think that wind towers don't belong in the "roseate tern factory" of Buzzards Bay. Perhaps Jim agrees with them.
If you are suggesting that those who support Cape Wind are anti-conservation... I beg to differ...
Fact is, it just isn't going to happen and or isn't going to happen SOON enough to ensure we will not have serious infrastructure and safety issues if we don't act appropriatly and intelligently.
As I and others have posted, you and others can wave the conservation flag and jump up and down about how we don't need new energy sources...
The reality is that we do. You may not believe it, or want to... But it is true...
Perhaps Chuck can weigh in on this... It is my understanding that in prior years the increase in the demand for electricity on the grid in the NE was about 1/2 of 1% per year...
This past year it was 4%? Is that correct?
Regardless, ISO NE has publicly stated we NEED Cape Wind to help stabilize the demand on the grid...
Denmark does put us to shame in many ways.
Tell me that you don't consider that Jay, Jack, and Jim are employing the tried and tested "either or" developers' strategy.
It sure looks like there is an "either or" Buzzards Bay or Nantucket Sound option being presented by the factions. Look again at the possibility that Buzzards Bay might not be a real proposal, just a bit of leverage for Cape Wind. And, isn't Jay planning on building Cape Wind for Jim if, God forbid, it's permitted?
It was predicable that MA Audubon would call Buzzards Bay a "roseate tern factory" and it plays into my theory. subliminal message,,,"choose Nantucket Sound as there would be less impact."
Wrong again as "this area of Nantucket Sound is within the eastern U.S. migratory bird flyway and hosts high concentrations of wintering waterfowl, and is in close proximity to nesting, foraging and staging areas for federally endangered roseate terns and threatened piping plovers."
These are MA Audubon's words, but I warn you, they have a short memory, (a long one would not serve their purposes).
I find it ironic that she chooses a word to describe our dependency on same fossil fuels that are burned that generate our electricity and contribute to the cancer rates in this country and the world...
To suggest, we just wait until we are forced to conserve... Until the prices of oil and natural/liquified gas and electricity etc. have skyrocketed so high we have no other choice...
Would cripple the economy of our country and certainly cause a tremendous amount of suffering and deaths for many many Americans.
No Barbara, I don't think you are "answering to anyone on the Cape Wind issue"...
I believe that because of your 'business relationships' with the EGANS, you sympatheticly endear yourself to them by playing the part of an ardent opponent to the project.
I am not suggesting you ARE being 'paid'...
But, the relationship IS a 'cozy' one:~)
Barbara, Sounds to me something I swore that the Dal'liance was up to a few years back when the clowns from LI proposed a wind farm south of ACK and I am pretty sure one for the Buzzards Bay area as well.
What ever happend to them dudes?
So, you think Cashmans plan is a Machiavellian machination to dupe perhaps the citizens of BB or entice MA to get even further behind the Nantucket Sound project?
Please do tell us more... How is it going to enhance the concept of building CW in ACK sound IF the BB project is threatening?
As far as your feathered friends go... Hey, let the cards fall where they may...
Whether it is because of the birds or whatever...
As I said to Capri/Magical...
"If USCG & MMS decide that CW should not be built...
I will accept their decision which I trust will be based on fair and sound (pun intended) reasoning and of course in the public interest."
On the other hand if it is approved and you suspect a M.A. stealth hand has delivered the birdies a death watch...
~SQUACK!
A nice glass of warm milk will soothe your stormy spirit...
May you have dreams of gently swooping turbine blades emminating a comforting whish of white sound to lull you into a deep... Deep sleep.
There you go honey... Feeling better now?
~Pleasant dreams!
~Nighty nite
Your comment: "I believe that because of your 'business relationships' with the EGANS, you sympatheticly endear yourself to them by playing the part of an ardent opponent to the project."
And, you believe in Cape Wind, need I say more?
Stephen, I truly loathe Cape Wind, so I'm not playing the part." I have no financial or brownie point driven motivation, just contempt for this proposed world's largest boondoggle, your panacea.
What you consider a solution, I consider to be the antithesis.
Because, "When it sounds too good to be true, it usually is."
Your comment, "Please do tell us more... How is it going to enhance the concept of building CW in ACK sound IF the BB project is threatening?"
If MA Audubon and Jay Cashman indicate birds are REALLY in trouble in Buzzards Bay if wind towers are constructed, then the next best option is Nantucket Sound, one would think, they would hope.
The pressure is on to build these darn things, where would there be less impact? Jack and Jay are too much in harmony, and Jim would also be a winner. Pay Attention.
Believe it or not John was going to do a stich(?) on the Wind Farm... But, found the Dal'liance funnier than him so he bailed!
So, anyway girls... Capri/Magical: Please stop wid' the capricious 'conservation' crap... It embarresses you. That's my bag so let it go will you?...
Enough already... It ain't gonna happen so just get over it ok?...
Think for a moment... It isn't the 'Depression'- It may come again...
But, at this point, it is a state of mind... That will only affect you & the EGANS aka the Dal'liance & of course Barbara once the 'farm' is approved.
Barbara, why wouldn't you "loath" CW?... You would have to listen to the EGANS bitch about looking out at the turbines when you drop by their Great Island house for hor-devores & cocktails. Enough already!...
BTW Barbara... Your hypothisis don't hold water let alone air about BB/Cashman/CW...
You are obviously getting desperate to suggest such a conspiracy.
Your obvious concept of "altruism" is it's antithesis...
As it relates to sharing Nantucket Sound with the residents of Cape Cod and the Islands...
You and Barbara are the 'She-Devils' of Nantucket Sound...
Shills...
And nothing more.
Representing the greedy, shelfish, and hypocritical selfserving group that offers they are the...
"Save our Sound"... Entity.
While in fact, their new offspring:
"Water Keepers" is much more revealing...
They / You want to 'KEEP' the waters of the Sound for your and your buddies selfs.
It (won't) happen here! - Frank Zappa
As opposed to ~one~ I have mentioned again and again...
Name begins with 'B'.
However, I do expect to gain PERSONALLY once Cape Wind is in place by way of:
- Cleaner Air to breath
- Cleaner Fresh Water to drink & swim
- Cleaner Salt water to fish & swim
- Better overall health
- More Fish
- Less Brown smog over the Cape and Islands
- A chance I might live longer (to continue to correct your erronious statements and misguided thoughts... Or at least my children & their children may live longer.
Yes, Capri... I am completely capable of understanding why Cape Wind should be built.
It appears to me... Judging from your hysteria as evidenced by your uncontrolable rantings...
Apparrently you must be suffering some kind of psychosis...
I would strongly suggest you get professional help real soon...
I would not want to read about you getting too friendly with a railing @ the Sagamore Bridge.
:~)
By any chance you wouldn't be DRINKING any SALT WATER from Nantucket Sound...
Would you?
That is a known cause of irrational thought processing, because it dehydrates the body including the brain...
Then again sypmtoms are similar in Carbon Monoxide poisoning...
Either case, you may want to get yourself checked out!
You're sounding really ~off~ of late.
Only have one SUV on ACK - a '99 Expedition bought used 2yrs ago & fill it every 2 weeks or so to transport workmen / 1- mid-sized 30mpg car on mainland / 1-22' power & 1-22' Sailboat...
And gee wiz... Where is that plane you think I have???
If you think this is "over the top"... So be it.
Also, not quite sure what to think about you... " think I have to gain personally/financially from appearing to be all about less reliance on fossil fuels by adding wind turbines to... (MY) grid"???
Really, Capri/Magical...
Go get help - SOON!
I can only operate ~one~ of those "gas guzzlers" at a time.
Just so there is no further misunderstanding or misconception for you.
This should be good~
And exactly how & why... You think I am expecting "others" to pay for 'what' "excess" you suggest I have?
Are you now saying you are "a child"?...
Maybe that answers a few questions of my own.
BTW I have no need to try and fool anyone...
The facts are the facts honey...
MMA has them and we await their affirmative decision.
Gotta go...
~later.
And, as you are well aware, so do these same federally protected species exist in Nantucket Sound, add one more, to my findings unacknowledged by MA Audubon as overwintering in NS, the endangered Bald Eagle.
The alternative, CW, would be a win win win for Jay, Jack, and Jim.
Unless the monitoring contract, MA Audubon's condition for their "preliminary approval," is not bid on or accepted by MA Audubon.
MA Audubon must decline revenue generated by a long term, extensive, lucrative monitoring contract as a party to CW application review.
Are "overwintering in Nantucket Sound"... Would you mind sharing just where they um... 'Hang out' (not sure what the correct term would be... "Snow birds"?)...
For the winter?
I would think that they being 'bald' 'n all that they would want to be someplace a bit warmer than Ol' Cape Cod or ACK Sound.
Are there Bald Eagle houses built into the navigational aids in the sound that we should be aware of?...
A place to do a little winter watching if one of the WHMVSSA ferries ventures a wee bit off course?
Lastly, by way of your overwhelming distaste of the possibility that perhaps Mass Audubon might end up with a "long term, extensive, lucrative monitoring contract"... Eye on BE's etc?...
It is beginning to sound a little um... 'Fishy', with respects to their maybe having an 'inside' advantage to being awarded such a contract...
And, you being quite 'friendly' with Bird woman: Magical/Capri...
~Hmmmm
However, the topic seems to be just where these Bald Eagles "overwinter" in a place that it would appear that MA knows nothing about...
But Durkin )our resident non-resident know so much about.
Admitidly not knowing squat about Bald Eagles, I still can't help but wonder why a bird you generally would associate with it's prey being rodents, squirrels and maybe fresh water fish...
Would venture well out into ACK Sound to the shoals?
It is a mystery to me... But, I would be willing to bet a cup-o-joe and a Downy-Flake au-natural that Durkin & Magical have been out there lurking about with a bunch of dead rodents and favorite Eagle treats...
Luring these lost avians into the den of Dal'liance pre-packaged fav-food laden cages just to say...
See we tol' you so!
No really, I want to be a believer in Bald Eagles coming home to ol'Cape Cod... But, somehow...
As far as my personal life goes... Unlike Durkin... I have no financial/alter interest in the projects success or otherwise.
I leave you with...
Most anyone, with a modicum of intelligence & intellect and can find a way to get in touch with her and ask the questions you pose directly...
I believe (in fact I know) you will find...
You have met your match.
~Bitch.
As to MY "status, money and attention"...
Seeing you are obviously...
Affected by your own problematic self-esteem based perceptions / angst and aparrently have great difficulty with the personal day to day lifestyles and family lifes of certain people...
In relation to my life, which you know - no pertinent details about...
Let's say... I do get my share; and that is good enough for me...
And... Too bad for you.
Go hug a Bald Eagle... If you can find one.
Pssst... Look up the word "nepotism"... Please do.
How you possibly came up with that concept... Is unexplainable at best...
Did you run out of 'o''s in the dictionary is that it?... Went to on to the 'n''s?
Did you hurt yourself... Scratching yer head?
Surely Magial, you can do better that that...
~Quite lame at best.
But, when you have run out of answers to unanswered questions...
What choice do you have?
It pains me;~) to say, of course, as usual...
You have no idea what you are talking about nor a grasp of reality...
So what else is new?
Rather than offering any further comments to help asuage your shot in the dark... "waffling" offering... I defer to my two priors...
Which sufficiently address your dilusional query.
Ha, ha!... That's a good one: "Nepotism"!
~Try again fruitcake.
They say I smell like a blogslut...
~And all the while I though it was YOU!
;~)
P.p.s. You are right though... I am a "liability" - In more ways than you could possibly imagine!
P.p.p.s. The question is: "To who?"
~Listen... ~Do-da-do... Do you want to know a secret?... ~Do-da-do... Do you promise not to tell? ~Do-da-do
~Whoaaa Whoa, whoa...
Name that tune and you get to call me a "P" word honey.
BTW... Did you notice (I bet you didn't) my alphabetical ERROR???... In the prior.
-'M'-"Nepotism"-'O'-...
Ok,ok...You still the "fruticake"... I the scholastic dummy.
Then again... I bet you still don't get it.
According the Natural Heritage & Endangered Species Program of the Commonwealth of MA Division of Fisheries & Wildlife; the Haliaeetus leucocephalus (bird, sea eagle, white head) or the Massachusetts’ Endangered Bald Eagle range is….
“In Massachusetts, Bald Eagles utilize the Quabbin Reservior, part of the Connecticut River, and the “Assawompsett Pond system throughout the year as both nesting and wintering habitat. Bald Eagles also overwinter along the Merrimack River and along the coast of Cape Cod, Buzzard’s Bay and the islands of Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket. Historically, the Bald Eagle bred throughout most of North America. Today, it is recolonizing much of its historic range where suitable habitat still exists.”
You didn’t learn about the Bald Eagle range from MA Audubon.
Now, It seems to me that these birds primarily habitat inland areas & along the coast... Whether they cross the area you suggest: Horseshoe Shoals...
Certainly, remains to be (sic)seen.
If you think there is some sort of malevolence... By Mass Audubon & Cape Wind by way of not acknowledging the presence of these birds in particular... In not well utilized 'migratory flyway' above the Shoals...
And these birds do in fact fly at altitudes that would suggest that signifigent numbers of these fine feathered friends might become turbine chum...
By all means make your findings known to the "authorities" who ever you trust them to be...
It seems apparrent that you don't beleive MA to be able to honestly comment on this... And outside of a congressional investigation at this point...
Because as you know... The comment period is over for CW/MMA...
So, if you have late breaking news about these BE's... You say no one has noticed over the past 3 years of intensive avian study 'out there'...
I respectfully... ~Leave it to you.
Perhaps I stand to be... ~CORRECTED~ but...
This bird is the "Haliaeetus leucocephalus (bird, sea eagle, white head) or the 'Massachusetts' Endangered Bald Eagle"...
A wee bit different than the 'big dudes' we all envision as the symbol of
our great country...
Where even people like Magical have a voice... ~Be that as it may ;~)
Now, It seems to me that these birds primarily habitat inland areas & along the coast... Whether they cross the area you suggest: Horseshoe Shoals...
Certainly, remains to be (sic)seen.
If you think there is some sort of malevolence... By Mass Audubon & Cape Wind by way of not acknowledging the presence of these birds in particular... In this so-called 'migratory flyway' above the Shoals...
And these birds do in fact fly at altitudes that would suggest that signifigent numbers of these fine feathered friends might become turbine chum...
By all means make your findings known to the "authorities" who ever you trust them to be...
It seems apparrent that you don't beleive MA to be able to honestly comment on this... And outside of a congressional investigation at this point...
Because as you know... The comment period is over for CW/MMA...
So, if you have late breaking news about these BE's... You say no one has noticed over the past 3 years of intensive avian study 'out there'...
I respectfully... ~Leave it to you.
Ok, then just what is the "Massachusetts Bald Eagle"...
And how come these 'national symbols' never seem to show up when I am around?
Do they spend way too much of their time out on the shoals fighting with the seagulls for Blues & Bass?...
And only come to the Cape & Islands @ nite for beddie bye?
Maybe they are just so BIG, being the national symbol and all... That the bird spotters who spend 24hrs a day and the specialized radar think...
They are ACK Air commuter planes?...
And they just don't note them in the counts of the different species?
What's your answer Barbara / Magical?...
Why do you think no one has noticed these birds out there?
Do they come in different sizes?
And maybe we have one of the smaller versions out over the shoals and they might be travelling with some other birds incogneto?
Seeing as there are not too many of them maybe they are chummin' it up with the Gulls & the Ospreys for companionship?
Still... I really find it hard to believe that our "National Symbol" would be way out there...
Flying & swooping about in what is not...
A "National Treasure" ;~)
Tell me, Stephen, how do you suppose the Bald Eagle gets from points A, B, C, D, and back, without crossing Nantucket Sound, (forget Hy-Line)?
Stephen, the true regulatory agencies involved in the Cape Wind application process, (unlike MA Audubon), are quite aware of the presence of Bald Eagles.
Massachusetts LISTS THE Bald Eagle as endangered. The Bald Eagle, is not the Massachusetts Bald Eagle, except that our national symbol is endangered in Massachusetts.
One can only speculate as to why MA Audubon would not mention the endangered Bald Eagle, our national symbol, in their comments. Consider that it was pretty easy for me to find this documentation of their presence. So, what IS their excuse/reasoning for not mentioning this particular endangered species?
I do think that someone has noticed the Bald Eagle out there, specifically, MA Division of Fisheries & Wildlife as they report their presence, not I, and not MA Audubon, strangely.
This is totally confusing and to add to it I don't know what the big deal about MA is, if all they said is they originally forcast so many birds that may be killed...
Then they adjusted the #'s... So what if they didn't specifically mention the BE's? Wouldn't it come to light and be addressed by the federal agency in the final DEIS anyway?
Besides, I'm still not clear if it is the 'Big-Ass' "National Symbol" type BE or the loley Mass BE one that you are talking about that supposedly traverses the Sound via Horseshoe Shoals...
If the BE is endangered and it doesn't cross the shoals and the MBE isn't endangered and it happens to cross the shoals... Who cares? Seems to be plenty if we loose a few... Right?
Regardless, if I were a bird... and just like the how the deer got to MV and ACK...
I would go from the mainland @ WH to MV to ACK...
Why fly 25mi when you can fly 3???
Thank you for your continuous stream of a wealth of information about wildlife; especially regarding the Bald Eagle.
MMS is aware of their responsibility to provide protection by mandate, under the Endangered Species Act, to our endangered species.
We share the hope that Cape Wind will ultimately be deemed as a threat to our wildlife; and that this permit will be denied before this threat becomes a reality.
How wicked this game of Hide the Birdie, AKA, "What Birdie?"
Keep the faith, and the trust, and most of all, keep 'em honest. Thank you
THE BALD EAGLE IS AN "ENDANGERED SPECIES" IN THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS. THE SYMBOL OF OUR NATION IS ONE IN THE SAME, THE BALD EAGLE.
I just thought that you needed this to be clarified.
It seems awful strange and a multitude of questions arise...
Why, and when did MA div of F&W happen to be hanging out @ Horseshoe Shoals?...
Waiting for a BE to show up?...
How did they know WHEN and exactly WHERE this bird was going to show up?
Were they on their own boat conducting their own studies or were they with CW's 'study group' as guests?
(If so... What did they have for lunch? - Lobsta rolls courtesy of CW?;~)
And if they did spot either the BE or the MBE... Wouldn't you think they would share this info with MA?...
Or is there some sort of rivalry going on between these two that we should know about?...
Like a: One-bird-up-man-ship?
That finds it's way to MV & ACK...
Via who ~knows~ how.
Why would one want to take the risk of flying 25 miles over open ocean...
When they can stop along the way... For R&R and food & water going by way of Falmouth to MV to ACK...
Just doesn't make sense to me.
This would be a good point for Maverick to tune in...
Certainly, he spends a lot more time out there than either Wildlife or Audubon...
If there is anyone that should/would know IF there are either ME's or MBE's out on Horseshoe Shoals...
It would be he...
BTW... Anyone heard from that old fart?
What's the name of his boat and where does he hail from... I wanna get out there and catch a few blues... Eat a tuna sandwich... And listen to him babble!
Barbara says: "According the Natural Heritage & Endangered Species Program of the Commonwealth of MA Division of Fisheries & Wildlife; the Haliaeetus leucocephalus (bird, sea eagle, white head) or the Massachusetts’ Endangered Bald Eagle range is…."
Now this says to me... That there IS a Massachusetts Bald Eagle... That happens to be endangered.
In a follow up comment Capri says:
The Northern Bald Eagle is larger than the Southern (sub species) and the female, as in most all birds of prey, is larger than the male. In MA we have the Northern Bald Eagle. They eat fish as well as mammals and birds.
So... Now we have (in my mind anyway) a Massachusetts Bald Eagle (MBE) a Northern Bald Eagle (NBE) and now a Southern Bald Eagle (SBE). And to further confuse the issue...
Barbara states later:
"Massachusetts LISTS THE Bald Eagle as endangered. The Bald Eagle, is not the Massachusetts Bald Eagle, except that our national symbol is endangered in Massachusetts."
I intrepret that to mean...
That Massachusetts agrees that the (American) Bald Eagle (ABE)is 'endangered'...
But... The Massachusetts (MBE) is NOT!
Then of course Capri... Adds to the dilema:
"windsmart there is no such thing as the MA Bald Eagle. There is only the Bald Eagle. Some people refer to it as the American Bald Eagle"
I might conjecture that THAT would clear it up...
And, bird life... Would be grand... Except Capri says:
"In MA we have the Northern Bald Eagle. They eat fish as well as mammals and birds."...
And of course, can not resist throwing in for added effect:
"as in most all birds of prey, (the female) is larger than the male. In MA we have the Northern Bald Eagle."
Now I see all these Bald Eagles... ABE's, MBE's NBE's and SBE's... Flying over ACK Sound (over Horseshoe Shoals?) eating the fish...
AND THE BIRDS!...
Isn't that part of the problem?...
"BIRD KILL"!...
Who would want any BE's in Mass or especially in ACK Sound...
Eating our precious resourses and 'indigenous' wildlife?
BE's... GO HOME!
Rocky Mountains where... You belong!
They know better.
Then again...
Is there a NSBE (Nantucket Sound Bald Eagle)
has identified this endangered and under federal protection Bald Eagle range, and they don't need you to concur, Stephen. "Bald Eagles also overwinter along the Merrimack River and along the coast of Cape Cod, Buzzard’s Bay and the islands of Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket."
Why do you think we can't find any mention of their range and overwintering on the shorelines mentioned above by MA Audubon in their comments on the DEIS, Stephen?
One would think that MA Audubon would have contacted MA Division of Fisheries and Wildlife, and know that this is an overwintering area. Roseate Terns, Piping Plovers, Bald Eagles and federally protected finfish, in and around Nantucket Sound, present even more use conflicts that should conclude the story book for Cape Wind. If we abide by laws, like the ESA and NEPA, Cape Wind will ride off into the sunset so that we may enjoy the sunset views, unidustrialized.
Save a ferry passenger, Stop Cape Wind, where are you?
You made an interesting observation that I did not see earlier on this thread regarding the Data Tower. That permit calls for continuous monitoring of data with results to be sent to a specified party at regularly defined intervals as I generally recall. Important information it is as wind speed recordings should provide insight into the viability of this project.
You can bet that if the news was good regarding the data and viability of Cape Wind, it would be on page one of the Boston Globe. That we hear nothing, and more so that data has been as elusive as Cape Wind is another red flag.
Heresay; the oil spill trajectory map is done and being tightly held by the folks at Cape Wind. Another red flag possibly? Any type of oil is toxic in this marine and aviary environment according to the EPA. I would like to see what the trajectory maps show would be the extent of the damage potential of 42,000 gallons of toxic oil spilling in Nantucket Sound.
The BE's as "over-wintering" in the areas you offer... Yet, you: Still do not provide...
Conclusive, evidentiary or even hearsay evidence that the BE's...
Yes, according to F&W they spend some "overwinter" time in MV & ACK... But, the big "Butt"...
You do not even remotely suggest just HOW... They get there.
Why is that?
Do you know for a ~FACT~ that what ever BE's you refer to... ACTUALLY have a 'migratory flyway' directly across Horseshoe Shoals?
Be they: ABE's, MBE'S, NBE's or SBE's...
Do, they in fact... Transverse the Nantucket Shoals area?
By way of subjective deduction, I can only conclude (to answer your question about MA) that MA has evidence to conclude that the BE's DO NOT...
Cross Horseshoe Shoals... Or the very least... Most have the awareness to stick closer to shore.
To continue...
Your "reccollection" as far as data collection and the disemination of this data was covered quite well earlier in this post... It was not paid for by the public and is not for use by the "general' public.
Is with out any doubt one of dozens of the effleuent stream of fear-mongering / hearsay elements of distraction from the benefits of the projects subjectivly offset by the proponents abject unjustified need to provide information to parties not directly involved in the permitting process...
You can bet your BE's butt and feathers that Cape Wind HAS complied with the aformentioned "trajectory mapping" and has been in compliance with this, and ALL required information and or studies.
Of course... You know better than to offer that the mineral oil used in the triple walled containment enclosure is far less susseptable to accidental discharge than single walled barges that traverse Buzzards Bay on a daily basis...
Yet, in your iniminitable way, you relentlessly offer your propa-babble to frighten the unknowing and uninformed.
Therefore...
I will continue to remind them that you ARE connected with the EGANS who have alterior motives.
Pro/opp... BE/MBE/ABE's... It's time for bed.
You know... You are treading on 'salty water' here...
And you are a 'fresh-water' woman... Not from Cape Cod!
However the EGANS...
~Do love you so~.
xox
Thinking of: 'Up-yours'... Naturally, would have to get a pass & go from my proctologist.
Monpo... Help out will you?
I realize you're affected by Magical's inherent avian (tweety bird) charm...
But try to remain un-affected/drug free and help this poor wayward chap out...
While yer at it...
Get Magical something a bit less obviously appropriate than "Capri"!
There has never been a question in my mind that you would stick with rumor, innuendo, conjecture, and slap stick.
I prefer to provide verifiable facts, and to limit my personal opinion, based on documented facts.
Maybe MA Audubon does know something about Bald Eagles and their range, Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket, where they overwinter.
Mass Audubon Tours | Sanctuaries and Nature Connection | Mass Audubon During our two crossings of Nantucket Sound, we have a good chance of seeing ... and the largest concentration of overwintering bald eagles in New England. ...
www.massaudubon.org/NH_Travel/template_new.php?id=North%20America - 44k - Cached - Similar pages
hmmm
While you continue to spread your rumor that I have connections to the Egans, and allude to my lack of objectivity on this issue and on that basis, I can only assume that your arguments on the true issues and realities of Cape Wind have no substance. As...I am a volunteer advocating for the long term preservation of Nantucket Sound, and an independent vocal opponent of CW.
And by drivel I mean Peckham. His idiotic rambling does nothing to champion the pro-Cape Winders or challenge the anti-Cape Winders.
Why do you all humor and validate him? Ignore him. He tries to engage Ms. Durkin, Capri and others in idiotic debates and he takes away from the legitimate arguments of people like Mr. Kleekamp.
I implore you--please just ignore him. If you ignore him, he'll be left there like the Cowardly Lion saying "put 'em up, put 'em up" to no one. It's the only way to make him look stupider than he already looks.
Please try it for the day.
And Peckham, to sink to your level for just a moment, don't waste your breath asking who I am, if you really want to know, go ask yo mama.
As far as so-called "innuendo"... Out of respect for you - And for the most part I truly DO (the obvious exception noteably the above)... I will not publicly comment here as to my verifiable sources and readily documentable confirmation of my assertations...
I am sure you it upsets you to see me regularlly repeat my claim and it is personally uncomfortable... I will do my best not to continually rub it in your face... As long as you keep most of the obvious claims...
That you time to time take out of context or is dated information which you offer as substantive... When in fact it is misrepresentation and fear-mongering...
Down to a dull roar.
I will call a truce... That is, if you care to continue any dialog at all. If you do not be that as it may.
If you want to follow the advice of one of the seven dwarfs (Sleepy) I understand.
Likewise,
As far as my prolonged raconteurious banter regarding the Bald Eagles goes...
While some may take my observations as mere foolish fodder and "drivel"...
Be that as it may... The point I wish to make to you is if you look back and note the manner in which you and Capri commented... I think you MIGHT come to the same conclusions I did...
It was VERY confusing and I still don't know if there is only one genesis of the BE and it is one in the same whether you want to call it the American Bald Eagle, the Massachusetts
Bald Eagle, the Northern Bald Eagle OR... the Southern Bald Eagle.
Are they ALL exactly the SAME bird or...
RELATED?
And... As I am sure CW's / Wildlife's findings will show...
Do any of the "endangered species" of any bird fly directly thru not just Nantucket Sound... But thru HORSESHOE SHOALS?
Because, without the FACTS gathered from these ongoing studies...
All else is...
"~Conjecture~"
P.s. I don't believe I have ever asked for an id of a commenter...
But 'sleepy' was easy enough to find out.
The reality is that (those who participate) it is NOT going to be enough to solve the energy crisis we are in...
I am not putting down the concept nor the results of consdervation...
The fact remains that the impetuous for the American people to be as involved as they 'should'...
Just does not exist. Sad, but true.
BTY sleepy... In case you missed the "idiotic debate" Capri and I had regarding NUCLEAR POWER...
It was not... sleepy.
I would suggest your friends go to the Cape Light Compact site.
http://www.capelightcompact.com/
Look into their energy efficiency programs and give them a call.
Certainly conservation and efficiency can start in the home and with the family auto.
You know the tips, and probably they do to... Energy Star appliances, compact fluorescents, high efficiency cars...
As I have said, increase your (everybody’s) car mileage to 40 MPG and save the country 4 million barrels of oil a day. I saw five Prius autos on the way to Boston yesterday.
Tell your neighbors if they don’t already know.
Unfortunately, the demand for more electricity is ever increasing in spite of our efforts.
How about renewable energy? Wind power, solar power, the two best choices to offset fossil fuels. Again, you know the arguments. Cape Wind... save 2 million barrels of oil right here in New England.
Regards,
Chuck K.
Although I rarely use it myself, I appreciate sublety... especially on complicated, technical matters.
Given neighbors on each side of my house taking 2 week vacations at different times every year(plus holidays, if their family lives out of town, and given 52 weeks in a year... that's like 5 weeks (or almost 10%) off my annual energy bill.
This is assuming that I don't just gain access to the interior of their homes, and eat/cook/TV at their place. This eliminates my having to run the dishwasher/laundry, etc... at least on my dime.
- Do the CPN offices run on renewable energy, have solar panels, a small roof windmill, etc...?
- What is the smallest windmill I could attach to my roof and still get SOME energy savings? I'm thinking weathervane-size here, if you need a visual.
While a spinning rooster can't power my house, would I have a shot at maybe running my computer, the dishwasher, or even a transistor radio if it happened to be breezy?
No, I don't want a 40 foot windmill tower in my yard. I'm friendly, quiet (IRL), and love to share recipes... my neighbors like me, and I want to keep it that way. I also don't want to screw up the extension cord scam, or fall prey to it myself some Thanksgiving.
Does CPN or Cape Wind have anyone looking into small, subtle personal windmills? Y'all think big, which is admirable... but you may be missing a chance to butter some bread by thinking SMALL.
I'm in no way influenced on this by the fact that I'm only 5' tall, by the way.
- Would it be bad PR if it came out that Jack is from the gene pool of the Coleman Lantern and Cooler people?
I like your quick wit and humor! And you last note may be in jest or semi-serious. In any case, to answer your questions.
No. The CPN office is rented in a business building. No solar or wind power available there.
The smallest wind turbine built for home owners is about 1 or 2 kW. But... to make it work you need to live in a windy place and have the lowest point of the blade at least 20 feet above the surrounding trees, at least. Trees grow. So much for home wind unless you live on an estuary or on a prairie (Oklahoma, with the fringe on top).
Try solar PV instead.
And yes. One of our CPN directors is in the business of installing solar and small wind turbines. He was instrumental in installing the small wind turbines at the Cape’s technical high schools (a 2kW and a 10 kW as I recall) as educational examples for the students to learn more about wind power. His name is Tom Wineman, e-mail him at twineman@cape.com
If you are interested.
Regards,
Chuck K.
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Chuck Kleekamp, P.E. Ret., is a director of Clean Power Now and frequently comments on renewable energy and the proposed wind farm on Nantucket Sound.
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