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What's wrong with the CNC poll or survey?

Cape Wind questions Community Newspaper Company poll
Survey not conducted following normal procedures

cape_wind_cap_t_01his online newspaper's articles mentioning the recent survey conducted by the Community Newspaper Company (The Cape Codder, Register, Oracle and Upper Cape Codder) which received 1,100 responses out of the cape's quarter million resident population. That computes to about half of one percent.

The survey has been referred to here as a "poll", which implied that there were the normal polling criteria in effect, criteria like those used by Gallop Poll and other professionals.

They were not, and Cape Wind Associates of Yarmouth have posted a rebuttal on their web site which we reprint below. 

20 questions journalists should ask about "polls" 

The National Council on Public Polls describes a professional poll thus; Polls provide the best direct source of information about public opinion. They are valuable tools for journalists and can serve as the basis for accurate, informative news stories. For the journalist looking at a set of poll numbers, here are the 20 questions to ask the pollster before reporting any results. This publication is designed to help working journalists do a thorough, professional job covering polls. It is not a primer on how to conduct a public opinion survey.

The only polls that should be reported are "scientific" polls. A number of the questions here will help you decide whether or not a poll is a "scientific" one worthy of coverage – or an unscientific survey without value.

Unscientific pseudo-polls are widespread and sometimes entertaining, but they never provide the kind of information that belongs in a serious report. Examples include 900-number call-in polls, man-on-the-street surveys, many Internet polls, shopping mall polls, and even the classic toilet tissue poll featuring pictures of the candidates on each roll.

One major distinguishing difference between scientific and unscientific polls is who picks the respondents for the survey. In a scientific poll, the pollster identifies and seeks out the people to be interviewed. In an unscientific poll, the respondents usually "volunteer" their opinions, selecting themselves for the poll. 

Cape Wind response 

The Cape Codder newspaper reports the results of their online poll on Cape Wind that found a majority of local online participants opposed, as well as a reporter's survey of beachgoers at Craigville Beach that found most in support - to their credit, the Cape Codder acknowledges in these articles that neither survey was scientific. 

Last year, an independent scientific survey of public opinion on the Cape and Islands on Cape Wind, commissioned by the Cape Cod Times and WCAI / WNAN, found an even split in public opinion.  Earlier this year, the Civil Society Institute commissioned an independent scientific survey of public opinion on Cape Wind that found 81% support in the State of Massachusetts and their sub-sample of Cape and Islands residents also found more support than opposition...

Perhaps the best comment about polls around here came from Len Stewart;
      "Here's what I've learned about surveys on Cape Cod generally.  1. Mail out surveys, even using scrupulously random sampling, are uneven in their returns. People with regular, long-term addresses, with the time and inclination to respond to a poll, return their "ballots". Those in seasonal housing, or without telephones (which is where the random sample often comes from), or without the time or inclination to fill out a survey, don't return them.  So, while a truly random sample going out may reflect the demographics of the Cape, the returns coming back do not.  Same with phone surveys.  On the Cape, this means an oversample of white retirees with sufficient family income -- an important group, but not statistically representative of our whole population.  You have to go after the other demographics with intent in order to statistically fill out your survey in order to be accurate.  Certainly, surveys where anyone is invited to chime in: webpolls, call-in polls, write in polls, etc., are really more of a focus group. "

Read rest of the the Cape Wind response here, and comment below. 

13 comments
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08/28/06 @ 7:38 am
John Q. Public [Member] writes:
Thanks again for the enlightenment.
It must be easier for what passes for journalists today at CNC to allow their reporting to be influenced by pressure groups like "The Alliance to Protect Ted Kennedy's Ocean View" to wage a campaign to influence what were once wonderful, locally-owned weeklies.

It's certainly easier than doing the investigating themselves or paying a professional firm to conduct it for them.
08/28/06 @ 7:50 am
WB [Member] writes:
Ironically I commissioned a survey for The Cape Codder back in 1976.

Even then, thirty years ago, The Cape Codder cared enough about its professional reputation and conduct that it spent $15,000 it could ill-afford at the time to have the same company which performed surveys for The Boston Globe conduct the research.

The firm called over 1,500 local residents at random drawn from telephone numbers in just six towns in their circulation area which had a yearround population back then perhaps half of what it is today. (The whole cape had 80,000 residents in 1960.)

The firm then used responses which reflected at least these criteria;

1. each of the six town's population as compared to the whole.
2. 51% female, 49% male (the breahdown in '76).
3. all respondents selected were over 21.
4. all were yearround residents taxpayers.

Why didn't the mega-media owners of CNC do at least that well today for its readers?
08/28/06 @ 7:53 am
Sacreblu [Member] writes:
Hey Capri, dessent is still legal around here isn't it?

The "poll" is bull and I think you know it.
08/28/06 @ 7:57 am
Gramia [Member] writes:
The Alliance also conducted an aggressive campaign through email blasts and alerts on their website urging people to vote in the CNC poll. Cape Wind chose not to campaign for the poll.
08/28/06 @ 9:49 am
Solon [Member] writes:
There are TWO issues here:

1. The CNC people acknowledge the poll is unscientific and therefore invalid and meaningless.

2. The second issue is, why did they print it? Hmmm?
08/28/06 @ 10:02 am
Monponsett [Member] writes:
It's not unscientific... they just only asked people named "Kennedy."
08/28/06 @ 11:09 am
Stopcapewind [Member] writes:
Exactly, I think it is obvious that the majority of the people on the cape DO NOT WANT the CAPEWIND project. If you got to the Berkshires they are all for, because it doesn't affect them. Here is what Dr. Murray Johnson said about the CSI poll.

Re: New Poll: 81% of state, 61% of Cape favor Cape Wind
by drmurrayjohnson on Jun 08, 2006 - 01:28 PM
Unbelievable. Does ANYONE out there understand research & statistics. Obviously the Civil Society Institute DOES NOT. 9% of 54 people is an INVALID sample size. In order for a percentage of a sample to mean anything at all, there MUST be at least 100 people in the sample. Fine for the rest of the state with 546 people, BUT remember they don't live on CAPE COD. The survey ONLY sampled 54 people living on CAPE COD and based a percentage which means "x" number out of 100 people--AND THAT IS JUST OVERSTATED & FALSE!!!!
08/28/06 @ 11:15 am
Walter Brooks [Member] writes:
Really Capri, "scientific"?
While the CNC survey was the surely the very opposite of scientific, the creation of polls has progressed enormously as you well know.
If you took the time to read the NPCC criteria linked twice in the story above, you would be both better informed and able to make a more valid argument.
08/28/06 @ 11:22 am
Stopcapewind [Member] writes:
The Blogfather, how do you respond to the comments by Dr Murray Johnston, about the CSI results being OVERSTATED & FALSE!!!!
08/28/06 @ 12:58 pm
lenstewart [Member] writes:
Here's what I've learned about surveys on Cape Cod generally.

1. Mail out surveys, even using scrupulously random sampling, are uneven in their returns. People with regular, long-term addresses, with the time and inclination to respond to a poll, return their "ballots". Those in seasonal housing, or without telephones (which is where the random sample often comes from), or without the time or inclination to fill out a survey, don't return them.

So, while a truly random sample going out may reflect the demographics of the Cape, the returns coming back do not.

Same with phone surveys.

On the Cape, this means an oversample of white retirees with sufficient family income -- an important group, but not statistically representative of our whole population.

You have to go after the other demographics with intent in order to statistically fill out your survey in order to be accurate.

Certainly, surveys where anyone is invited to chime in: webpolls, call-in polls, write in polls, etc., are really more of a focus group.
08/28/06 @ 1:29 pm
Achilles [Member] writes:
Knowing the kind of reaction this story would generate, I made a point of reading the entire "20 questions...about poll results" article mentioned above. And indeed, it's quite obvious that th CNC poll was even less scientific (valid) than the Scargo Cafe sand-in-a-glass poll of a year or two back. I understand that the 'pro' group won that one, but none of them made a big deal out of it because they knew the whole thing was a publicity stunt to attract diners.

I'm reminded of that classic - probably THE classic - case of bad polling, represented by a newly-elected President Truman holding a newspaper with the headline "Dewey defeats Truman". In that case, the poll was a telephone poll, and many of the poorer voters who elected Truman didn't own telephones. Ergo, not representative, and not scientific.

So I can well believe that a self-selecting poll is meaningless. I voted in it, and could not detect a method in the interface for preventing multiple votes form the same person. Knowing the organized opposition's history of skewing polls and petitions this way...(cont'd)
08/28/06 @ 1:36 pm
Achilles [Member] writes:
(cont'd)

...I formed my opinion of the poll rather early in the game.

I think Len Stewart also makes some good points in the above post.

I have a question about the State House (?) CSI (?) poll, however. Since the article talks of needing 1000 responses to accurately represent 210 million Americans, are 546 responses a reasonable number for..... what? Massachusetts? New England? The Cape? Just trying to get it clear.
08/30/06 @ 8:34 am
Bev [Member] writes:
If the survey results were in favor of Cape Wind, there'd have been no complaint. They don't like the fact that many residents don't want to give away the Sound to a private entity. Danish wind farms are owned by Danish citizens. That's what is wrong here.
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