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Mashpee: A Question of Fact vs. Fiction

Who greeted the Pilgrims?
What claim do Mashpee Wampanoag have to Middleborough?

By James P. Lynch, Historical Consulting and Research Archives LLC

In the shortest, yet most instructive of his published writings, "History: Remembered, Recovered and Invented," the eminent historian Bernard Lewis wrote of three different types of history that confronts the contemporary reader in the various media.

Wampanoag country in 1600In his 1972 book, Professor Lewis noted that "critical [recovered] history begins with dissatisfaction with memory and a desire to remedy its deficiencies." Invention, he wrote, passes over recovered history and resorts to the "embellishment" of the past," which "influences inscriptions and chronicles, monographs and textbooks, and all the other media used to project an image and present a case."   (The map on right shows the range of the various sub-tribes of the Wampanoags in 1600)

It is to certain "inventions" of Mashpee history this essay will address: that the Mashpee are Wampanoag, greeted the Pilgrims when they landed at Plymouth in 1620; and have historical and cultural ties to the lands in the town of Middleboro.

Historically there was never a Wampanoag tribe

 How does a historical "invention" contrast with historical fact? Let's start with the question of "Wampanoag." Historically there was never a Wampanoag tribe per se. The term Wampanoag is a general linguistic descriptor. Its root lies in the Algonquian "Wa.panwi," which literally means "it dawns" or "easterner." It was a generalized term used by Algonquian-speaking tribes to refer to peoples to their east where the sun rises.

In the case of "Wampanoag" we find the suffix "oag" (some Algonquian tribal dialects use "aug"), which denotes near water, or near a body of water. Thus a literal interpretation of "Wampanoag" is - a people who live where the sun rises near a body of water.

In the case of southeastern Massachusetts, this descriptor was used as a term of reference by the Indians residing to the west of Indians who lived along Buzzards Bay, most notably the Pokanoket. This term of reference was picked up by the early colonists at Plymouth who equated the term Wampanoag with the Pokanoket tribe, in contrast to the neighboring Massachusett, Nipmuck and Narragansett tribes.

kingphilipwar1_325With the advent of King Philip's War in 1675 (shown on right in an old woodcut), the term became associated with those regional (eastern) Indian groups that joined Philip (Metacom) in his conflict against the colonists. Thus we hear of a Wampanoag confederation in various historical writings.

The Wampanoag did not greet the Pilgrims

Did any "Wampanoag" greet the first arrivals at Plymouth? No. No Indians did. What William Bradford and those other first arrivals found were deserted Indian villages, the victims of smallpox epidemic that had spread south from Newfoundland. Were there "Wampanoag" in the region? Yes. The boundary between the Pokanoket and Massachusett tribal lands was in this area. Were these "Wampanoag" members of the Mashpee tribe? No.
There was not a Mashpee tribe in existence in 1620.

Why weren't the Mashpee there? Simply put, there was not a Mashpee tribe in existence at the time of historical contact (1620) in Massachusetts. Mashpee, as a self-governing distinct Indian community or enclave having its own defined territory, did not come into existence until 1665, some 45 years after the point of first sustained Indian contact with non-Indians in this region. Mashpee was a product of the collision between two cultures, English and Indian. Mashpee is not what is commonly called an "historic or historical tribe" that is, a politically organized tribe, having its own defined territory that was in existence at the time of first sustained contact with the colonists. Mashpee was the produce of tribal disintegration and fissioning as a result of this bi-cultural collision. 

The Mashpee enclave that came into existence in 1665 consisted of expatriate Indians from many different tribal groups who, having adopted Christianity, shed their previous tribal political relations and portions of their own cultural ideology and came together into what was known as a "Praying Indian Town" or simply "Praying Town." There were many such towns established in eastern Massachusetts for these convert tribal fragments. Most importantly, the Mashpee did not represent a political or social continuation of a specific historic tribe or historic tribes that voluntarily and politically merged to form a new tribe.

mashpee.seal_162These converts with their new Christian ideology were drawn together mainly through the efforts of a colonist named Richard Bourne who, being a friend to the Indian groups residing at the western end of Cape Cod, convinced the sachems of two of these groups (Tookonchasm and Weepquish) to convey via a legal deed dated Dec. 11, 1665, lands belonging to their respective groups to the convert community that had congregated on the Cape's south shore. These extra-tribal convert Indians who initially resided on these conveyed lands became known as the "South Sea Indians," which later morphed into the name "Mashpee."

At this point in time the Mashpee formed their own town government, established land governance rules based in large part upon English law (proprietorship) and town organization, had a defined bounded territory in which to live and over which they asserted local jurisdiction. Even as late as 1753, the Mashpee reminded the Massachusetts General Court "that the same sachems who had given most of the Cape to the English had also created Mashpee."

How Mashpee passed muster concerning the descent from a historic tribe requirement (25CFR 83.7 (e)) with the Bureau of Indian Affairs, thus gaining federal recognition, leaves one wondering. With the name of the notorious Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff now connected with the Mashpee's recognition quest and his close association with former disgraced Interior Department administrator Steven Griles, one begins to see a picture, a not very pleasant one at that.

Thus the Mashpee cannot be considered Wampanoag in any political or tribal sense in that they were never part of the Pokanoket tribe, nor were they part of King Philips wartime confederation. Mashpee came into existence in 1665 as a Praying Town under colonial jurisdiction. As a matter of fact, Mashpee remained loyal to the colonists during King Philip's conflict with some members of the community fighting against the Wampanoag confederation of tribes. Mashpee did not come into existence until 1665, thus making it an historical impossibility of having met the Plymouth colonists upon their landing in 1620, nor was there a Mashpee tribe present to have aided the new colony during those first terrible and trying years of Plymouth's existence.

Never in Middleborough, wrong side in war

Now what about Middleboro, a town at the center of present-day controversy concerning Mashpee historical claims and assertions to the area? First, if the Mashpee were never politically or culturally affiliated with the Massachusett or Pokanoket tribes, how can they make such a claim, especially given the fact that the Mashpee sided against the Pokanoket-Wampanoag  confederation during King Philips war? Second, the Mashpee cannot make a cultural affiliation with either tribe. They maintained a particular cultural and ideological base (Christianity) from their very inception that was vastly at odds with that of the traditional Pokanoket-Wampanoag.

massasoit1621265_330_01Third, from a historical perspective there was prior to Middleboro's 1669 founding one named Indian village in the Middleboro area  (Nemasket), which in 1622 was under the dominion of the Pokanoket sachem Massasoit, (shown in old painting greeting Pilgrims in 1621). Yet we later find two such villages, "Assawompsett"  in Middleboro and "Titicut" in north Middleboro near present-day Bridgewater.

The historical records clearly depict Titicut as a Massachusett tribal village, while Assawompsett appears to have had a polyglot Indian population of former Pokanoket and Massachusett (with many moving there from the former Massachusett village of "Mattakesitt" in 1674). There is also evidence of Abenaki Indians who had been re-settled on the Freetown reserve having moved into and settled at Assawompsett. It was from the remnants of these two village populations that the name "Middleborough Indians" evolved during the eighteenth century. Nowhere in this matrix is Mashpee to be found.

In fact, presently only two associations directly mentioning a connection between Middleboro and Mashpee are to be found in the April 1859 Report to the Governor and Council concerning the Indians of the Commonwealth, (Earle Report) a William Lee from Middleboro who had married a Mashpee woman and was presently residing in California, and a widowed state pauper named Sylvia Casco, also from Middleboro.

One fails to see any Mashpee historical or cultural connection to Middleboro without the coverage of the historically unsupportable "Wampanoag" umbrella.  Their request to have lands they purchased in that town taken into trust by the Department of the Interior appears to lack a historical or cultural foundation.

371 comments
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10/03/07 @ 6:52 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Jack C...Very interesting and thanks for the hard work and research.

Your comment " Mashpee is not what is commonly called an "historic or historical tribe" that is, a politically organized tribe, having its own defined territory that was in existence at the time of first sustained contact with the colonists. Mashpee was the produce of tribal disintegration and fissioning as a result of this bi-cultural collision."

The Narragansett's have been recognized by the Fed. Gov. and they are also a bi-cultural collision. Slaves from Providence interbred with the local Indians. They are still Narragansett and recognized as such.

What is the point?
10/03/07 @ 7:04 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
maverick, this was written by James Lynch, whose background is described at the end of the essay.
10/03/07 @ 7:28 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Jack C...I realize that Mr. Lynch wrote the piece.

Why did you post it? For historical reasons?

Are you for or against an Indian Casino in Mass?
10/03/07 @ 7:34 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
I posted it to give readers a perspective on this they may not have heard before. As for casinos, Indian or otherwise, I have mixed feelings about them.
10/03/07 @ 7:42 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Jack C..."I have mixed feelings about them."

What does that mean? You sound like a politician.

Your post suggests the Mashpees do not qualify. Is that your position?
10/03/07 @ 8:17 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
I don't know one way or the other, maverick. The gentleman who wrote this essay thinks that they don't, others think that they do. As for casinos, there are good things that come with them, as well as bad things. Hence my mixed feelings. You're clearly looking for an argument but thanks, no thanks.
10/03/07 @ 8:24 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
Cute woodcuts don't of themselves, add authenticity to an admixture of facts & rampant speculation. As a point of fact, the Mashpee Wampanoag chose to pursue a far-more rigorous proof of their continuous existence, than all but one other tribe east of the Mississippi. Their restored sovereignty was a result of submitting 10's of thousands of pages, documenting that the tribe & its members meet rigorous tests imposed by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, and thus outside the domain of lobbyists & congressional gerrymandering, which may have influenced other tribes' recognition attempts. As an outsider to the tribe's culture, Mr. Lynch's story appears to have been largely based on an impoverished written set of "facts" about the Mashpee, which seem to ignore their rich, authenticated oral history. Without some underlying political agenda, I would expect a bona-fide historian to give the richest possible accounting of history, rather than offering selective facts framed in unjustified speculation & innuendo…

JC, when your mind ISN'T already made up, you usually do better vetting…

=:(
10/03/07 @ 8:26 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
Wôy numanut8m!!! peesh nupôhp nashpee y8 pâsuq
kaweet nuneechôn!! Peesh kunâunumuw akôsahqôpay8ôkanut!
oh my ever-lovin Creator!!! Boy am i gonna have a ball with this one when the baby goes to sleep!!!
See you all in a little bit!
See
10/03/07 @ 8:37 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
Glad you saw this Wôpanâshqâ,; I'm looking forward to reading your rebuttal.

Whoo-boy! Mr. Lynch, I expect you're due for a trip to the woodshed… =:(
10/03/07 @ 8:37 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
Exactly how many times may i post, concurrently, without being placed in timeout?
10/03/07 @ 8:42 pm
susan [Member] writes:
I must say, this is very interesting Jack. A lot to take in with a quick read. I will return when I'm able to spend the time on it. Thanks for posting it.
10/03/07 @ 8:44 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
I'll be here, to "egg" you on (& keep it legal)
10/03/07 @ 8:44 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Jack C...Roger Williams came from Mass.

Should we delete him from The Park, Providence and any other historical ties to R.I?

I am not looking for an argument. You post and there is always a reason.

The Mashpee Indians and all the rest of the tribes throughout America that we stole land and heritage from deserve whatever they can get.

Please come out from under your skirt and explain the post.
10/03/07 @ 8:44 pm
curiouswamp [Member] writes:
I guess Indian Country should sit back and wait for the historical suppportable documentation from the non-native race to accurately describe what they have done to acquire all of this land. If Mashpee was not in existence until 1665, whose 5,000 year old remains were found at Maushop? The Wampanoag umbrella, as you put it, is the same umbrella every race uses to connect one another. Why is it so hard to conceive that Wampanoags roamed freely from Mashpee to Middleboro, Boston, Martha's Vineyard, etc. You can travel from Europe to the United States and still be called a European, but you can't travel from Mashpee to Middleboro and still be called a Wampanoag. History?
10/03/07 @ 8:47 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
Editor(s)
Exactly how many times may i post concurrently. There is so much bad information, not to mention lack of training and proper research, that i will have to take this post, piece by piece, and take it apart for proper dissemination. The most efficient way is to construct in a separate document and paste here given the 1100 stroke maximum.
10/03/07 @ 8:53 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Only once before someone else responds, wopanashqa, to prevent any one person from posting an unlimited number of comments and crowding out all other discourse. If you would like to write an op-ed response to Mr. Lynch, you are more than welcome to do so.

You're welcome, Susan. In response to maverick and muwin, my posting of this was not an endorsement of the views expressed within, whether you are willing to accept that or not. I am one of those people who actually doesn't have a problem with other people expressing views I don't share.

If either of you would like to write an op-ed challenging Mr. Lynch's views, by all means. And my posting of that won't be an endorsement of your views. See how it works? The blog is called "Op-Ed" for good reason.
10/03/07 @ 8:58 pm
twg [Member] writes:
wopanashaqa, you may need to write a complete rebuttal, but there's plenty of support here.
10/03/07 @ 9:03 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Jack C...your comment "The blog is called "Op-Ed" for good reason."

Has the N.Y. Times "Op-Ed" ever said anything favorable to Pres. Bush?

Do they have an agenda? And might you also?
10/03/07 @ 9:04 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Maverick,

Just a little curious. We all know, and I tend to agree with your position on windmills in Nantucket Sound. How do you feel about a casino with acres of parking lots being built in the middle of virgin woodlands? I personally see some comparisons.
10/03/07 @ 9:13 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
i think i will make one statement of each incorrect fact first and then take each statement in its turn with factual information. This way it will be easier for the reader to digest. i have also been working with the National Museum of the American Indian on a historic timeline for Mashpee and some of that data will prove helpful. i appreciate all Good Medicine at this time. The time has come for me, as a woman, mother, and defender of my People, to stop playing politely. This article is, for better or worse, the end of my patience and i suppose that i should thank Mr. Lynch; but really i just want to ask his mother why she was sleeping on the job. There are times when good manners are in order and a time to replace manners with Medicine; be it savory or sour.
10/03/07 @ 9:14 pm
twg [Member] writes:
...
10/03/07 @ 9:21 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Buzz...I have never been in favor of any casino in New England. My farm is twenty minutes from Foxwoods and my town of Hope Valley is turning from rural to urban very quickly.

I agree with your comparisons. I also know that anything posted on CCT by Jack C. has an ulterior motive. To provoke ideas and discourse? I doubt it.

His posts are directly related to the hand that feeds him. If the Mashpee Tribe was advertising on CCT this Op-Ed would have never seen the light of day.
10/03/07 @ 9:29 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
Firstly Mr. Lynch,
"Historically there was never a Wampanoag Tribe".
This statement shows an utter and complete lack of understanding between 'Nation' and 'tribe'. The map shown of 'sub-tribes' further underscores a lack of research on your part. Wampanoag is a NATION not a tribe. There is a difference. There were originally 69 tribes within the Wampanoag Nation. The map shown here is but one of at least five that i have seen. One MUST look at all available maps since the map makers' works cross a span of two centuries. NONE OF THE MAPS ACCOUNT FOR ALL TRIBES. Overlayed and cross referenced with linguistic data; all communities are more accurately accounted for. The Wampanoag Nation territory during the 17th century was bounded by: current day Cape Anne to the North; Southwest to current day Dudley; Southeast to the Blackstone River in East Providence; South to Narragansett Bay. That is the Nation. Mashpee is but one tribe.
10/03/07 @ 9:34 pm
twg [Member] writes:
I guess Mr. Lynch never met a Wamp woman.
10/03/07 @ 9:43 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
My agenda, maverick? To help engender a lively and illuminating debate. Why does this bother you so?

In response to wopanashqa, the map and illustrations did not come from Mr. Lynch, who wrote the essay. The map and illustrations were added by the publisher of this site.
10/03/07 @ 9:47 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
"the term wampanoag is a general linguistic descriptor';
Where the hell did you read that? "its term lies in the Algonquian root wa.panwi' meaning 'it dawns or easterner' WRONG as to where the 'root' as you so ineptly put it, comes from and WRONG as to it meaning 'easterner'.
'wa.panwi' is from Proto-Algonquian; often called PA. PA is the mother from whence over 33 languages come. Algonquian is the term for the language family. wa:panwi, 'it (INANIMATE) dawns'. The entire world for these languages in the family is divided across two major genders. Those genders are ANIMATE AND INANIMATE. Every verb in the language must show agreement with the subject. For example; if i say 'It is red' and i am speaking of a bird; and 'it is red' and i am speaking of a chair, then the verb phrase 'it is red' will be different in each case since the bird is animate and the chair is not. So; the phrase wa:panwi can not refer both to the dawn and an easterner since the dawn is inanimate and person is not.
10/03/07 @ 9:51 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
I have seen a map very much like that at the Aquinah tribal website…
10/03/07 @ 9:56 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
muwin and wopanashqa, is the plural "Wampanoag" or Wampanoags"? Or are both acceptable?
10/03/07 @ 10:08 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
The stem, which is what you meant by root, is Wa:p-. and not wa:panwi. The second item there is a complete verb phrase and refers to inanimates.
The sound changes from PA to Wôpanâôt8âôk (wampanog language) yield Wôp-. While this stem is found in the verb phrase for 'east'; it is also found in other verb stems such as:
wôpashq, 'young meadow' (inanimate noun)
wôpeekuhshây, 'it (inanimate) is pale'
wôpeeqaw, 'concieve (a child)' Transitive verb
wôpeeqawu-, 'be pregnant' Animate verb
wôpanâyu-, 'east'
So while it may refer to 'East', it is used for 'East' because the stem means 'originate', 'begin'.
The next erroneous statement:
The suffix -oag, -aug, means 'near a body of water'
Again; WRONG. What you have here is -o- that actually belongs the verb stem and -ag which represents the animate plural marker. You must have been out on the grassy knowll smoking dope during your Algonquian linguistics 101. OH RIGHT! you have no training.
It will be a hell of a lot easier just to list the morphemes in 'Wampanoag' and explain them in the next comment.
10/03/07 @ 10:15 pm
twg [Member] writes:
go on.....
10/03/07 @ 10:18 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
You're right, wopanashqa, I don't have training in this, which is why I asked. That's what I do when I don't know.
10/03/07 @ 10:24 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
The reason for the variation in spelling found in the Native written docs is the fact that there was no standardized orthographic system or dictionary available during the time period; not for Wamp or English. One item can easily be found with 20 different spellings.
wamp-ano-ag
'wamp' wôp-, 'original, east'
'ano' -anâ-, 'be a certain way or manner'
'og' -ak animate plural marker (more than one animate being)

Wôpanâak, 'People of the East' OR 'original People'
This term is cognate with
Wabanaki : In this language there is voicing on the bilabial; so you get 'b' instead of 'p' as in Wôp. Wabanaki also retains final -i; where Wôp language drops it.
Abanaki; this language drops the initial W- retained by Wabanaki and Wôpanâôt8âôk and also retains final -i
Oh, by the way, bound morphemes (suffixes as he says, but they are not always suffixes) for water or near water are: -pâq or -tuk. The unbound (or whole words are:
seep, river
kutah, ocean
nupusupâq, pond
seep8ees, brook

No damned -aug or -oag.
10/03/07 @ 10:26 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
Jack
i was not referring to your lack of training but mr. Lynch's. It was he who wrote such a piece of m8ee, 'sh**'.
10/03/07 @ 10:34 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
wopanashqa, do you believe that someone who is not of Native American descent can write accurately of your history?
10/03/07 @ 10:37 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
Despite this astonishing display of linguistic knowledge (I'm having serious tongue cramps, trying to keep up) I'm still in hopes of seeing some strong refutation of Mr. Lynch's central theme - that the Mashpee Wampanoag did not earn~deserve their restored sovereignty … Please?
10/03/07 @ 10:41 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
Damn! this is a pain in the a**! i am so f**** tired of having to explain every friggin thing to people who are supposed to understand how to read and refuse to pick up a f*** book! i am sick to death of wannabees!, sick to death of f**** racists and sick to death of trying to raise my kids with cultural backbone so they can deal with the bullsh*** when they grow up!!
We asked NO ONE to come here! We forced no one to live as we say fit. And no, maybe you were not here to participate in trying to wipe our a**es out; but you sure as hell still benefit from your upline's doings. i need a break.
10/03/07 @ 10:44 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
I take it that's a "no" ...?
10/03/07 @ 10:46 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
Please don't **** storm-off so close to the **** goal line…

;)
10/03/07 @ 10:51 pm
twg [Member] writes:
Wopanashqa, don't feel like this is your solo battle. Get some rest tonite. Tomorrow is another day.
Peesh kanash (I hope I spelled that right)
10/03/07 @ 10:57 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
OKAY kids
The 50 mile radius of connection to homeland is taken by the Federal F*** Gov. to mean 50 miles radius of Mashpee. But the aboriginal territory is within all of the above stated boundaries which is easily deliniated by several different languages belonging to several different NATIONS; Wampanoag, Nipmuc, Narragansett. These are all entirely different languages, and not merely dialects of the same. Mashpee has a historic tie to ALL places within the original boundaries; as does Aquinnah.
And keep your fur on Muwin! i'll get to it but i'm not about to do something half-a**ed. This may be lively debate to some, but this is our kids lives we are fighting for..over, and over, and over.

Jack
i have seen very good work done by Non-natives in regard to Native history and culture.
10/03/07 @ 11:07 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
Nearly all of the information above is so flawed and slanted that i am going to work on it again some more tomorrow. Massasoit is a title, not a proper name. He was not a sachem; that is a leader of a tribe. He was a muhsâs8ut 'Massasoit'; head of a Nation. That Nation included the area of pokanoket. i know one damned thing; somebody is paying mr. Lynch for this crap and whoever it is had better get their damned money back.
10/03/07 @ 11:09 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
Wôpanâshqâ - what a relief! - I thought you'd stormed-off, taking my fuzzy hide with you!
10/03/07 @ 11:13 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
Jack no one but someone who had no choice about "being an Indian" would have the enthusiasm for the sort of life-long studies that Wôpanâshqâ has enthusiastically undertaken.
10/03/07 @ 11:18 pm
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
i'm going my mashpee ass to bed. i need sleep to deal with this crap day in and day out. And people wonder why we can't just 'get over it'; as soon as we do or figure out how to; some son of a b*** finds another way to try and keep us down. If people could get their psychological sh** together, they wouldn't need someone to constantly stamped their dirty feet upon to creat an illusion of self worth.
10/03/07 @ 11:38 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
I suspect that the Lynch piece may have been a deliberate provocation to draw members of the Mashpee clan into a discussion of their origins and cultural identity. If so, it appears to have worked, but I'm perhaps most affected by my sense of Wôpanâshqâ's pain & frustration over being "summonsed" to deliver yet another re-counting (or accounting) for still another set of neophytes & disbelievers. It has to be the same sort of pain & outrage that a jew experiences, when they encounter someone trying to discredit the holocost!

I certainly hope that no one on the CC2day staff is sufficiently crass to feel even slightly self-congratulatory about what we've witnessed here, this evening…

=:(
10/04/07 @ 12:12 am
CC Rockhopper [Member] writes:
wôpanâshqâ: please take a deep breath, like you said get some sleep then continue on. I am sorry I am not so skilled in my knowledge of you people. However I am getting a lession far better then anything I have been exposed to in my past 46 years of life. Please dont go half cocked off in exasperation with some of us who are taking in what you have to say. This goes much further then just your 50 miles. I am 800 miles and learning every minute. Please be patient with us, you have an audience, please make good of it. You will be heard much better with a well spoken and teaching tongue then one in harshness, even though it may be deserved. Thank you for sharing and please dont stop. just rest collect and keep going. Again Thank you for your teaching.
10/04/07 @ 1:16 am
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
i knew it! i couldn't sleep and my little voice said, 'check this guy out'. This Lynch is a hired gun as you will read below. The questions are: who hired him and is CCToday aware of that?
'James Patrick Lynch: FREELANCE historian testifies against Indians in Casino land dispute'
source: Newsday (12-4-06)

A Connecticut historian who has refuted American Indian land claims across the country testified Monday in federal court that the Shinnecock Nation has no right to build on a parcel of land in Southampton that the tribe is eyeing for a casino.

i'll continue the info. CC Rockhopper but just wanted the public to see what we are really dealing with here.
10/04/07 @ 6:57 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Good thing you looked up who that guy is...we need to do that more often with these "experts" that appear. And I disagree with Rockhopper...sometimes harshness is the only way to get your point across...and if it's a true feeling, why do you have to suppress it?
10/04/07 @ 7:30 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
Mr.Lynch's self-applied title of "historian" doesn't appear to accurately describe a person whose only public persona is that of a person of 'mysterious means' traveling throughout the USA, relentlessly disputing tribal sovereignty claims & testifying against indian-sponsored casino proposals. In the absence of finding any other written bio or educational background, Mr. Lynch's most-serious academic credentials appear to be from his previous career as an air-conditioner salesman (acknowledged in federal court)… Sadly, things still don't appear to be going well for him, even in this new career, as his only listed point of public contact is thru a free AOL account. Nevertheless, I would still not expect that CC2day actually paid for this piece of worthless drivel, since I think that any tenuous concern for journalistic integrity would have been amply reinforced by the publication's renowned frugality.

My conclusion is the Mr. Lynch probably has lots of time on his hands, and welcomed an opportunity to promote his "sharpshooter" credentials with a little back-yard target practice…
.
10/04/07 @ 7:45 am
CC Rockhopper [Member] writes:
wôpanâshqâ: keep going,,, I amazes me how we all (including myself) get caught up in reading things without really verifing the background of some. See see "labels" and jump to conclusion that ,, well we might as well all be lemings jumping off a cliff. I hope you dont forget us today.
Bittersweet: I understand what you are saying, but to yell your message at a few who need while driving off the mass is never good. better to have the ears of many then bother with scorning the few,,, " brush the dust from your feet of them (who dont want to hear the truth or are just arguative about it) and move on to those who want to hear and learn"
Look forward to the next installment
10/04/07 @ 7:46 am
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Perhaps you'd care to write an op-ed refuting Mr. Lynch's claims, deltaman. No compensation would be involved, however, just as Mr. Lynch was not compensated. Sometimes free speech is just that.
10/04/07 @ 8:05 am
wamptruth [Member] writes:
Jack, it looks like wopanashqu is doing just that. I'd pit those two against each other anytime, anyplace and guess who I'd put my money on? The Wamp. She's on the ball. I guess we Wamps aren't supposed to be smart. What "others" don't realize is that there are Wamps who are Doctors, Lawyers, Accountants and many who hold Bachelor's and Master's Degrees in various fields. They must feel that they need to discredit us as a people somehow. I condider this a form of institutional racism.
10/04/07 @ 8:10 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Following the discussion here, I've heard the word "racism" more than once. Why is it that there can't be a discussion, which has been incredibly educational, without claims of racism....if someone offers a differing viewpoint it's "racist"?
10/04/07 @ 8:11 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
Thanks, Jack, but there's already a REAL expert on the case - Wôpanâshqâ; I expect we'll be seeing her return here later on today…

While I don't feel that you "owe" anybody an explanation, I do find myself part of an appreciable body of CC2day agnostics & downright doubters, who struggle daily with a shared dilemma over whether or not there's enough support for objectivity here, to make continued participation worthwhile…

Perhaps you'd care to share the thought process that led to your considered selection of Mr. Lynch's piece, since it so blatantly flies in the face of studious history texts & legally-established facts?

(Btw, Mr. Lynch's testimony in the Shinnecock matter left the judge unconvinced & he ruled in favor of the tribe.)

Ah well, there's an inexhaustible supply of "experts" so your inbox may soon contain an "op-ed" from renowned historian Mahmoud Ahmadinejad…
10/04/07 @ 8:21 am
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
wamptruth, your claim that this is a form of "institutional racism" is nothing more than an attempt to shut down honest debate and dialogue. Sorry, it's not going to work.

deltaman, do you understand the concept of providing a forum to express views that others may not agree with? Or does your grasp of that extend only to those you agree with?

If the president of Iran wished to express his views here on US foreign policy in the Middle East, you would not allow that, would you? Ironically, Ahmadinejad does exactly that when it comes to dissent in Iran.
10/04/07 @ 8:46 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
In order for any person to be legally-considered a Mashpee Wampanoag today, they must have demonstrated (to the federal government) clear, unbroken lineage back to the tribe's enrollment register from 150 years ago. How many commenters here, calling themselves Russian, Irish, Italian, Somali, Canadian, Brazilian, etc. could meet that test? How many of you conveniently ignore any of your personal historys' excursions in to other ethnicities when classifying yourself as: (fill in the blank)?

Moreover, Mashpee Wampanoag refers to a nationality; by reason of obvious historic accident, most of 'em are also part of the Native American race. Since their ancestors were often persecuted for having even a small percentage of native american blood, their descendants should certainly be entitled to justly claim the heritage that generations of their families proudly suffered for. Even if you can't quite wrap your mind around the equity of that fact, I nevertheless suggest that you still attempt to move past it since it's been codified in federal laws for some time…
10/04/07 @ 9:14 am
wamptruth [Member] writes:
Jack, this is no different than saying that the Holocaust did not occur. Additionally, I fail to see the words "Graduate of" or "Anthropological" or "Professor at" as creds for the writer of this piece. This is nothing more than an anti-casino editorial based on one person's opinion backed up by no evidence. If this was intended to create dialogue as you claim, than it is a poor attempt at creating anything constructive.
10/04/07 @ 9:15 am
Solon [Member] writes:
James,

That was a very enlightening, scholarly piece. Thank you for informing us with something that goes far beyond the usual ankle-biting nit-picking coming from both factions of this issue, neither one for which I take sides.

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.
10/04/07 @ 9:27 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
Jack, I've seen many commenters dispute your claims of objectivity, yet you consistently resort to disparagement rather than self-reflection, in the face of these repeated challenges. After a while, folks just mutter "Well if it walks & talks like a duck…" You consistently fail to grasp that your access and use of many pulpits @ cc2day (both identified & anonymously) should carry an extra awareness & responsibility for behaving in an even-handed manner, if you want your claims of (occasional) objectivity to have any credibility with your readers.

Also, I seriously dispute the legitimacy & intellectual honesty of using pseudo-science to promote a political agenda; if Ahmadinejad posts an op-ed about the improving economic conditions in Iran, or how the government is encouraging free speech, I'll probably suspend belief at least long-enough to read & consider his points… On the other hand, if CC2day were to promulgate his discredited, dishonest views on the jewish holocost, I would expect that the commenters would deservedly pillory both CC2day & Ahmadinejad!!!
10/04/07 @ 9:33 am
quahog [Member] writes:
Looks to me like Mr. Lynch (how apropos) has stepped in a stinky one! He's not the first to underestimate Wamps, just ask Peter Kenney...

Rah! Rah!
wôpanâshqâ!
Love ya baby!
10/04/07 @ 9:40 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
Thanks, Quahog, for giving me an 1100-character refresh (willing to return the favor, anytime…)

Actually, don't need much of that allotment to point-out that I'll be looking forward to Mr. Lynch's return, should he ever choose to offer some advice on how to select & purchase central air conditioning!

=;)
10/04/07 @ 9:40 am
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Please cite where I claim objectivity, deltaman. Those who know me well can attest as to how full of opinions I am.

Your claim of me using "pulpits" here "anonymously" is inaccurate and more than a little hypocritical, coming from someone who posts comments while hiding behind a screen of anonymity.

As for commenters here having the opportunity to pillory Ahmadinejad's views on anything, how would they be able to do that without knowing exactly what he said or wrote?

Fact is, a helluva lot more people know far more about the subject of Mr. Lynch's op-ed by virtue of him writing it, the post being published here and the comments to follow, than they would have known had it not been published.
10/04/07 @ 9:48 am
wôpanâshqâ [Member] writes:
Jack Coleman and CCToday
This was not a debate and you full well know/knew it. It has been nothing more than vulturous jealousy and unabashed hatred in which CCToday has fully participated.
wamptruth, curiouswamp, D-man, B-sweet, Muwin, twg, wamp-pride, quahog;
This crew at CCToday is a pack of vipers and has predetermined ideas as to what mashpees do and do not deserve and have most probably used Peter as well. i am truly sorry that i cannot continue to comment here. The fact is that any good information placed here could potentially be used against my People. Placing one's weety8 in enemy camp can often be useful in determining just who the enemy really is. i am willing to have an honest and open discussion with any one of you but not in this venue. There is now a concerted effort to prevent us from placing any property that we hold, or have purchased, into federal trust. The article written by Lynch is a fishing expedition and the 'racial purity' slings are the red herring. Good luck to all of you and keep your families safe and loved.
jessie little doe
10/04/07 @ 9:52 am
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
You don't want an "honest and open discussion," wopanashqa, you want Stalinist art. And you run off and pout when it's not provided.
10/04/07 @ 9:55 am
susan [Member] writes:
Having quickly read the article and the highlighted pages, the first thing I did was google Mr. Lynch. All I came across was the same article mentioned above. It would seem to me, a credible hired gun, would have have pages of case numbers, along with some back ground info.I came back this morning hoping to see some positive, educational response. Thank you wôpanâshqâ for your brief posting containing the history as you know it. I will say, I find the constant racism remarks, the references to all that are not Native American being blamed for the Indians plight in this country quite negative. I don't see how these remarks benefit your people. You too are benefiting the rewards this country has in present day, same as we people of many different ancestries. I don't see many people of any race living off the land too often these days. Many of our families also endured many years of the same evils you did here in America.
10/04/07 @ 10:22 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
Yes, jack, you have consistently underscored my point about disparagement as your primary defense, in your posts here today!

Secondly, I agree that Mr. Lynch deserves every bit as much publicity here, as was granted to the alleged public wanker who still somehow manages to elude the YPD.

Much of what else you said is moot, as my primary reason for appearing here has been to encourage members of the Mashpee tribe to speak out on matters of their heritage & governance - to counter what I absolutely view as their unremitting exploitation by this publication. Without their whole-hearted participation in these discussions, there's no point in my continued presence either; I'd just be a lonely sentry standing by an empty wigwam…

I'm personally disappointed by Wôpanâshqâ's decision, but I also have an acute sense of her pain and frustration over this venue! So, if other commenters accept Wôpanâshqâ's view & move your discussions elsewhere, please stop back to let us know where you wind up, OK?

Peace to all with honest hearts & good intentions!

=:)
10/04/07 @ 10:37 am
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
help me out here, deltaman - how is my "disparagement" of your views, i.e., not agreeing with you across the board, any different than your disparagement of mine?
10/04/07 @ 10:45 am
CC Rockhopper [Member] writes:
Deltaman: I ditto your comments,,, what a shame, to loose what could have really been a shinning light of learning and encouragement.
wôpanâshqâ: Please done loose heart, some of us "uneducated's" are open to what you have to say in a pure sense of learning. We are not stupid (someone who knows the truth but disregards it for falshoods) we are more ignorant (we just have not been educated on this matter) but at least wise ignorants are willing to lean and can be taught, stupidity is just that stupid. I hope that you show up someplace in the future to continue your lessons. May you walk in true light and the peace it can bring.
10/04/07 @ 10:55 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
Not disparaging your views, Jack; When I've been aware of them, I often find myself in agreement. - It's your consistent lack of "style" when acknowledging opposing views, & misuse of your editorial "advantage" which I've found offensive - I invite you to objectively review even a few days of your own posts, to see how rarely you argue issues on their merits, even when commenters vainly attempt to do so with you…
10/04/07 @ 11:10 am
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
deltaman, I invite you to discuss any issue on its merits or lack thereof. Let's see how long you can do that without resorting to theater criticism about, ah, "style." Any issue at all.
10/04/07 @ 11:23 am
videopaul [Member] writes:
Sorry to see this one fizzle. This was one of the best threads I've ever seen at CC2day. I'm fascinated by Indian culture and have read extensively on it. I grew up 20 miles from Wounded Knee and I know the pain runs very deep indeed. I take no interest in Kinney's stuff. But what I was reading here on this thread was incredibly informative on the Nation. Thanks to the natives for their generous clarifications.
10/04/07 @ 11:55 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
Jack, obviously I also find some sheepish enjoyment in the use of "theater" Nevertheless, this will be my last attempt to clarify my concerns herein, for the foreseeable future:

(1) You haven't even come close to acknowledging the obvious pain of Wôpanâshqâ & other Mashpee commenters, that has deeply moved so many other "outsiders" who have witnessed them expressing their frustration over CC2day's relentless, sensationalized exploitation of their misfortunes (how often do you also attend & cover their public pow-wows? You - even Peter - have always been welcome…)

(2) Editorial biases are unavoidable, and most even slightly intelligent "consumers" quickly adjust for them; Editorial integrity is an entirely different matter, as evidenced in the differences between the Washington Post & the National Enquirer! The public's perception of a publication's integrity goes a long way towards determining the integrity of its readership & the quality of discussions that take place under its auspices… On that point, I'm sad to have discovered our differences to be irreconcilable!
10/04/07 @ 12:20 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
deltaman,

Would you comment on Mr Lynch's findings and describe your difference with his position? Any references to the Maytag repair man need not be included.
10/04/07 @ 12:48 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
Buzz, prior to Mr. Lynch's recent reinvention of himself as an Expert on Native American History, he actually was an air conditioning salesman. There's already been enough additional information appended to his original piece, for you to do you own vetting, without needing me to entertain you. Also, in less than 5 minutes of Googling you (or anyone sharing your sincere quest for truth) will have uncovered websites offering rich, fascinating insights on the Wampanoag Nation's true history & the Mashpee's place in it. Sadly, there's scant information about Mr. Lynch, save his one recent failed attempt to intervene on behalf of anti-casino interests, and where he was accepted as an 'expert witness' but required to admit in open court that he made his living selling air conditioners…

Moving forward, If the constructive core of this discussion coalesces elsewhere, I hope that we'll all be informed…
10/04/07 @ 12:51 pm
wamp-pride [Member] writes:
Jessie wôpanâshqâ is absolutely correct!
10/04/07 @ 1:12 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Challenged to a discussion on the merits of any issue, deltaman suddenly gets tongue-tied.
10/04/07 @ 1:18 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
Wamp-Pride, I suspect that you may already know how to reach "Wôpanâshqâ" - I believe that she would be grateful to know how to reach you… Stay strong!

=:)
10/04/07 @ 1:46 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
So, what your saying is that if your an "air conditioning" salesman, your not necessarily smart enough to be a student of history?
10/04/07 @ 1:48 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
you're sp
10/04/07 @ 1:54 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
I can't help but wonder if any air conditioners are sold in Mashpee. Warning to those engaged in such a heinous practice - your views on anything but air conditioner sales shall not be tolerated! Are we clear?!
10/04/07 @ 1:59 pm
quahog [Member] writes:
If 'your' an AC salesman, you certainly can be a STUDENT of history, but until I see some citations of peer-reviewed scholarly work, I will not accept *anyone* as an expert on a subject, particularly when he is being cited in a way that affects my future...
10/04/07 @ 1:59 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Jack,

Please keep your "cool".
10/04/07 @ 2:02 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Wish I could, Buzz, but I can't find anyone willing to sell me an air conditioner, what with the way they've been shamed and all.
10/04/07 @ 2:02 pm
quahog [Member] writes:
...furthermore, Mr. Lynch's writings are not just being cited as 'opinion,' but as established fact. He has been knocked down.
10/04/07 @ 2:17 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
http://www.ncalg.org/2007_conference_details.htm
10/04/07 @ 2:23 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
my quibble at this point is with the claim that lynch was not paid. oh, not by cctoday maybe, but he sure got paid...that's what he does...as evidenced by his involvement in the conference above...
10/04/07 @ 2:26 pm
curiouswamp [Member] writes:
I am also very saddened by the above article. There appears to be no significance for such an article other than to continue to throw salt into the already severed wounds of our nation. Some of the articles on CC2day have been informative and helpful, but some articles leave me wondering what messages are they trying to convey? What is the ultimate purpose or mission... to help us or destroy us?

Is cc2day for or against the Wampanoag Nation? Is cc2day for or against helping to expose the injustice that is being done to our people by our people? Is cc2day for or against Casinos? Is cc2day for or against economic development for the Mashpee? Just when you think someone understands the plight of Native Americans they show their ‘true’ colors and hit you from behind. .

To discontinue in the discussions concerning our people is to continue the misguided truths that are presumed about us. I found it interesting that we have all had our opinion about the politics within our nation, but we all came together to defend who we are as a nation. We are more united than the outsider give us credit for, no matter what our differences may be.
10/04/07 @ 2:42 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
I wish all would take a step back and consider this for what it is....a blog. It's the opportunity to express ones ideas and discuss, challenge, agree or oppose those ideas. Harvard nor Cape Cod Community College are using the information posted here as part of their cariculum. The opportunity to have free debate makes this country great. Let's stop pouting, feeling like victims and respond to the discussion at hand.Wopanashqa, I encourage you to start your own blog here and share the history of the Wampanoag Tribe.
10/04/07 @ 2:53 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
carriculum sp god help me
10/04/07 @ 3:01 pm
quahog [Member] writes:
There's a big difference between "free debate" and an economically and politically motivated disinformation campaign from phony historians. This is a thinly veiled attempt to poison minds against Mashpee Wamps.
10/04/07 @ 3:04 pm
quahog [Member] writes:
There was not a Mashpee tribe in existence in 1620.

No Jews died at Auschwitz.

9/11 was an inside job.

An alien ship crashed in 1947.

James Patrick Lynch is a historian.

etc.
10/04/07 @ 3:13 pm
curiouswamp [Member] writes:
Ideas... this article was a statement!
10/04/07 @ 3:16 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
From a story published Aug. 30 by southcoastnews.com under the headline, "Rhode Island tribe challenges Middleboro land claim" -

"A Rhode Island Indian tribe that is seeking federal recognition has challenged the Mashpee Wampanoag's effort to build a casino in Middleboro, saying it has ancestral and cultural rights to the land."

The story states that Michael "White Eagle Deer," tribal president of the Pokanoket tribe, sent a letter to Gov. Deval Patrick.

"The Mashpee casino's proposal in Middleborough is an affront to the Pokanoket Tribe and a strong indication the Mashpee Tribe has lost sight of its own heritage and tradition," Weeden wrote. "We stand against the usurpation of Pokanoket lands for gaming or any other purpose by another tribe. In light of the current push, we strongly urge you, as Governor of Massachusetts, to refuse to enter into negotiation, or other favorable consideration of an Indian casino on our lands."

A question for those who've reacted so strongly to Lynch's essay - does White Eagle Deer have a right to his opinion in this matter?
10/04/07 @ 3:32 pm
curiouswamp [Member] writes:
The article did not only speak about land rights, it clearly stated the Mashpee tribe never existed until the 1600's. The article reached far beyond land rights!
10/04/07 @ 4:05 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
wamp-pride, curiouswamp, quahog, - do not be concerned that you're being abandoned to promote Wamp-truths by yourselves; watch for interesting new developments…
10/04/07 @ 4:33 pm
quahog [Member] writes:
Indeed, muwin, there are some interesting documents about Mr. Lynch on their way as we speak. Seems he is quite the prolific liar...
10/04/07 @ 4:38 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
quahog,

Are you saying he wasn't an air conditioner salesman?
10/04/07 @ 4:58 pm
susan [Member] writes:
HISTORY AND LEGENDS OF THE CAPE COD INDIANS
by one of their descendants, "Red Shell, Cape Cod Indian Historian"

freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~massasoit/ccod01.htm
10/04/07 @ 6:44 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
In response to Jeff - I said that James Lynch was not paid by capecodtoday for reprinting his essay here, not that he isn't paid for his work as a consultant - two entirely separate things. You understand that, right?
10/04/07 @ 7:05 pm
susan [Member] writes:
So , does this controversy come down to 1:) believing Indian undocumented history, but a history passed from each generation 2:) belief in the trail of documented history 3.) a combination of both

This reminds me of the never ending controversy over the bible.
10/04/07 @ 7:40 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
The problem with this place is the mean, down-in-the-dirt personal attacks on people that one disagrees with. Don't tell me it's a forum for "honest, open debate", and then call my friend McGarbage, and Piece of Trash!Don't say you want to know other people's opinion and then say they are "pouting" because they don't want to keep fighting with you. How long can you continue to bang your head against a wall???That's why this whole "nice" approach doesn't work here Rockhopper...you are not dealing with nice people. Take it from someone who has basically been branded some kind of slut for taking a genuine liking to someone. This is more like Gerry Springer than anything else!
10/04/07 @ 8:38 pm
CC Rockhopper [Member] writes:
Bittersweet: and thus the exact reason I do not watch G.S.. To often (unfortunetly including myself in the past) I have chosen to retort at those that disagree with me, whether I was wrong or right. I had and have a "Right" to may things but is it fruitfull, In this case no, just look back at what has come about this whole string. People getting nasty when they dont need to, Name calling, people getting offended (some rightfully so) all for what in the end, we all lose on this one, as one of the main charaters that was a major wealth of information is now gone (wôpanâshqâ), and what are we left with a bunch of folks quibbling with each other.
As was said already one before, this is a blog, not a boxing right, not CC2days opinions or indorsments, it a blog, one persons sharing of information, (which I think we have all discovered the info has been called out and we have learned something) lets either get back to the original learning session or move on...
Jack I may not agree with where this has ended up but thank you for letting me comment.
10/04/07 @ 9:07 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
I think some people disagree with true North American History because it was so awful, they prefer the Hollyood version. I think people who attack others personally are people who have nothing else to say.
10/04/07 @ 9:32 pm
communitytheater [Member] writes:
Jack, thank you for posting this piece.
btw, wopa, the u.s. is a nation, a nation to which everyone has a right to belong; and it is somewhat offensive that you continually, in your comments, refer to this Nation as belonging to the Mashpee.
10/05/07 @ 7:55 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
bittersweet,

You have it all wrong...no one thinks you're a "slut", you're just not the kind of girl we want to bring home to mom.
10/05/07 @ 8:13 am
blogspotter [Member] writes:
b-s, take a break before your head explodes.
10/05/07 @ 8:53 am
crusader [Member] writes:
bittersweet,

Chin up girl....what these little boys say isn't worth thinking about. Buzz can't bring any girls home because "momma boys" don't have any girls. And as far as their insinuations and vulgar comments, what do you expect--take it from the source--and from someone who's had to endure their childish remarks, since 2005 as I have--maybe if they could stay off the XXX sites for a while, they wouldn't have such filthy minds....someone mentioned..."it's not who you know....it's who you_____"...I don't know why you would make a rude comment like that to me, but all I can conclude is that you ain't getting any!
It's important to keep these conversations clean---but I had to say my peace, like usual.
10/05/07 @ 8:58 am
blogspotter [Member] writes:
crusader, hey, who knows, maybe b-s got a date on cttoday!
10/05/07 @ 9:06 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Thanks crusader, and believe me, i see how really vile they are with you. It almost seems as if nice feelings and kind thoughts are taboo. Gotta be vicious and below the belt at all times.Not everyone, but plenty. And so, what are you gonna do, but attack back?
10/05/07 @ 9:27 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Anytime, bittersweet....us gals got to stick together against this brood...they are just trying to force me off the site so the guilty minds don't have to be reminded of what they did to ruin the lives of the innocents. I'm actually glad they posted what they did, because it proves to the readers just what type of element exists there on the island---they can't deal with strong women, like you, and I, or Christa who was clearly no pushover. She may not have been guilt free, and pushed her boundaries, but the way she was murdered--that poor woman, and with her baby later found by her side. It's so sick and twisted--I can't imagine another human being capable of doing such horror. But it goes to show exploitation of women is condoned and applauded-- the DA is the kingpin of objectifying women by his unprofessional way he talked about her, in the book for all to see for years to come. It's bad enough he shared PRETRIAL EVIDENCE with that writer, then parading in a towel. Who does these kinds of things? The arrogant, self-serving and disrespectful.
10/05/07 @ 11:06 am
wamp-pride [Member] writes:
Deltaman, yes I do know where to find her and as always thanks for the words of wisdom. We may meet at a Powwow one day.
10/05/07 @ 11:12 am
blogspotter [Member] writes:
way too funny...d-m and b-s...and of course, jerry springer
10/05/07 @ 12:21 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
Wamp-pride, there are a number of clan-folk I've come to admire from meeting them here & hope to meet many of you in person at some point. After much discussion with Wôpanâshqâ, I have reluctantly agreed to wear a silly hat & a "Hello! My Name is……" tag, so you'll know who you're looking at (which I thought was kinda mean, since she already knows; - I did draw the line at wearing knickers & wooden shoes, however…).

Now, she may have some interesting, good news to share with you next week, so…

=;)
10/05/07 @ 12:32 pm
blogspotter [Member] writes:
lunch break.
i admire all.
even all the silly asses.
wamp- 'pride' commeth before a fall.
so go ahead and wear knickers and wooden shoes.
'mean'? b-s is demented.
good luck in your endeavors.
jeez, you just be hard up.
10/05/07 @ 1:31 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
Blogspotter, your recent comments are typically unremarkable but the still are useful for illustrating what I'm about to say…

I already lead an interesting life, & I don't participate here as a substitute for genuine relationships; I've tried to make constructive use of my time here, since it represents time away from other important things. On the other hand, I've come to realize that useful discussions on these blog pages are regularly overwhelmed by pointless wisecracks from workday shirkers, attempting to entertain themselves (at our expense) while they fight-off boredom from un-fulfilling employment or homework assignments; adding some nasty spice to the mix, I've also seen some spiritual derelicts hanging around, who desperately need to remain hateful, just to keep pumping even a small amount of blood thru their dangerously constricted, hearts. So, without an umbrella of editorial integrity & consistent enforcement of good manners in this blogspace, I often see crass attitudes overwhelming sincere ideas!

Is anyone else here concerned about making better use of their time?
10/05/07 @ 2:03 pm
huron [Member] writes:
oh, d-m, i am sincerely so, so sorry if i hurt your feelings, because your comments are ?.
however, re editorial censorship and sensitivity, i do not agree.
10/05/07 @ 2:09 pm
blogspotter [Member] writes:
d-m, is there any chance you will ever learn less verbiage is more, and that your attempts to appear erudite or urbane as simply lame? go snark elsewhere. or simply go on jerry springer.
10/05/07 @ 2:10 pm
blogspotter [Member] writes:
*are
10/05/07 @ 2:15 pm
blogspotter [Member] writes:
oh, and d-m, i know who you are. you can fool some of the people some of the time...your projection: how 'bout you get a job, do some homework, and less wind, a-h
10/05/07 @ 2:26 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
Huron, I notice that you've just signed-up here - At least with this persona. & I think your observations have been constructive & informative, with no more than an adequate number of "tension relievers" mixed in. However, I will always accept and appreciate your respectful disagreement with me on any points. I remember learning that the Huron have always been a peaceful people, but I've also heard tales of them "putting on the paint" in response to injustices! For my part, I'm glad that neither of us are here as representatives of "our people" & can just appreciate each others' respectful views for what they are…

Pleased to make your acquaintance!

=:)
=:)
10/05/07 @ 2:34 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
for what it's worth, my pique stems from my association with a cyber-publisher who runs an ad for a position and doesn't label it such. once you know that the author, in this case james p. lynch, is a lobbyist paid to spread information unflattering to one set at the behest of the other set. to continue to even post this rubbish is really having the wool pulled over your eyes continuously. they would pay you if you sent them a bill. have you done no research into this man? he is a shill, whatever his expertise with home appliances. the sooner you disassociate yourself with him, the better for the rest of us...
10/05/07 @ 2:38 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
this is where Jack starts calling me a drunk, and walter says no, he's a cokehead, and peter kenny ends up looking like the voice of reason...
10/05/07 @ 2:54 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
OK, Jeff - that was creatively bad'nuff for me to damage my modest credibility, with an out-loud guffaw! Makes me recall images of dearly-departed Pogo - alone & forlorn - while poling his raft thru the swamp… (Still, I would've tried harder to restrain myself, if there'd been anything on-topic posted since early AM…)
10/05/07 @ 4:54 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
I'll take the bait and go back on topic: what the hell does this mean, lynch LLC, "Historically there was never a Wampanoag tribe per se."?
10/05/07 @ 6:09 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
I'm fine, Jeff, thanks for asking. How are you?
10/05/07 @ 6:37 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
Jeff, I believe that "LLC'ing" yourself builds a legal shield around your personal assets; for instance, to shield them from possible damages awarded in defamation lawsuits, and also permits greater 'flexibility' in determining what's considered business vs. household expenses for tax purposes…
10/05/07 @ 6:52 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
operative word in your last comment, deltaman - "legal"
10/05/07 @ 7:35 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
Jackie, sweetheart, I am ever-so blissfully guileless, that I can easily believe that there was no veiled threat or saber-rattling intended by your come-back!

Sorry, but I'm outta here for a bit (to rescue our take-out order) - I hope that others will step forward to ensure yer precious tushie gets all the spanks & smooches it deserves this evening!

(consider this a 'debt' repaid)

=;)
10/05/07 @ 7:39 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
deltaman, you'll clearly believe whatever you choose to believe in, regardless of its connection to reality. Get thee to a clue :)
10/06/07 @ 7:04 am
Jeff [Member] writes:
(seems to be a nerve there)...but as they say, the winners get to write the history...and in this case, who can quibble with anything the winners write...peter is peter, at least he's the peter we know, more or less...but lynch? he is to the No-casino set what Chas. Vinick is to the No-windmill set...a hired gun plucked from obscurity to sell an argument to the public on behalf of some gated interests...his bosses are law firms, developers, church representatives and others who would pay to have some facts assembled to suit an argument dressed up as history...my beef has never been with the man, but with his delivery boy.
10/06/07 @ 7:40 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
Yo, "Double-L" - Been meaning to say, pleased to see you on the case!
10/06/07 @ 7:51 am
filletofsole [Member] writes:
jeff llc, without being condescending, define llc? if lynch is, in fact, a lobbyist or atty, as well as a historian, how is jack wrong for having posted a different opinion from all of the lobbyists currently investing millions, in order to receive mighty returns, for casinos to be developed in mass? hey, look at atlantic city. nice. and where the hell is atlantic city's gov? maybe in prison with glenn marshall?
10/06/07 @ 8:20 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
'fillet' - I'm at least partly responsible for the "LLC" confusion, because I didn't notice that Jeff has incorporated it into his persona, & stupidly wasted a turn at bat, defining it… His Q actually was re. "Never was a Wampanoag tribe…… Which points out a profound flaw in Mr. Lynch's treatise - The Wampanoag were/are a nation, which in good times, consisted of 70 ~ 100 villages/clans/tribes dispersed throughout the Wampanoag nation. The implication is that, if you offered Mr. Lynch 'nuff $$'s he (allegedly, JC?) might just as likely claim that Massachusetts was never a nation, per se, so it has no legitimate right to be a political subdivision. The Lynch piece was full of blatant distortions like that; a serious student of history could walk away with a better grasp of the facts in only a few minutes of Googling! There really hasb;t been much dispute here, about Lynch's motives, but rather JC's apparent, cynical trifecta in embellishing & publishing this bit of nonsense which managed to insult history, reason & the Wampanoag NATION, in one "Swell Foop!"
10/06/07 @ 8:23 am
Jeff [Member] writes:
that's the whole thing, fishy, if lynch is this, if lynch is that...if alberto's should pay for space, so should lynch, or maybe he is, I really don't know, but an ad is an ad is an ad...the difference from my perspective being that when you or I write something, it is from our head and heart, and if we look into something, it is in search of the truth come what may...but when he writes something, it is the culmination of a research project whose outcome was predetermined, and there's a big difference when it comes to cloaking this work in the same clothes as an honest point of view...taken for what it is, fine, but call it what it is, which is a free ad for the well-bunkered, well-hidden interests who would prefer the indians did not start skimming their action...
10/06/07 @ 8:33 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
Jeeze, this is like "The Price is Right" - with a "Jeff" behind every door!

Imo, CC2day most-blatantly revealed the Publication's bias thru the "lipstick they painted on the pig" - That is, the staff's selection of highly prejudicial, antique-appearing artwork to add the appearance of authenticity, to a document inherently devoid of any… (Allegedly, JC?)

.
10/06/07 @ 8:48 am
filletofsole [Member] writes:
'quibbles' and 'piques' and too many Jeff's...was just a simple question...will wiki it
10/06/07 @ 8:49 am
filletofsole [Member] writes:
and pls don't use 'fishy,' except in regard to yourself...
10/06/07 @ 9:04 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
'quibbles' and 'piques' filletofsole? (I also thought it was a gratuitous display of poor manners) Dunno, if you two have 'history' but for my part, I was glad for an opportunity to respond honestly to what appeared to be an honest Q… Hope you'll be back to share what facts you snare in your wiki-weir.

;)

.
10/06/07 @ 9:19 am
filletofsole [Member] writes:
limited liability company; 'limited liability' means that the owners, called 'members,' are protected from liability for acts and debts of the llc; the possible lack of any operating agreement requirement can cause problems (i.e., 'corporate formalities' re annual meetings and shareholders). re quibbles and piques, simply read thru chapxi's comments; however much his opinions are noted, 'fishy' was offensive. know him? highly doubt it. was just offended.
10/06/07 @ 9:20 am
CCToday [Member] writes:
EDITOR's NOTE: To help defuse the "quibbles", here is Dr. Lynch's C.V.:
----------------
JAMES PATRICK LYNCH

Historical Consulting and Research Services LLC.
45 Dellwood Drive, Waterbury, Connecticut 06708, 203.573.0012 jajpl@aol.com

I. TITLE.

Ethnohistoric Consultant/ Researcher (Anthropology & History).
Genealogical Researcher.
Historic Title Researcher/Consultant.

II. EDUCATION.

Ph.D, Anthropology/History (abd.) (Ethnohistory, Sociocultural Change).
History of New York and New England Indians, University of Connecticut 1984-1991.

Master of Arts, Anthropology/History (Ethnohistory), Indians of the Northeast, Wesleyan University, Middletown, Connecticut 1983.

Bachelors of Arts, Sociology/Anthropology, Religious Studies, Southern Connecticut State University, New Haven, Connecticut 1980.

Associates in Arts, Mattatuck Community, Waterbury, Connecticut, 1978.

Title Searching, University of Connecticut, West Hartford, 2001

Advanced Title Searching, University of Connecticut, West Hartford%
10/06/07 @ 9:21 am
filletofsole [Member] writes:
duly impressed
10/06/07 @ 10:35 am
susan [Member] writes:
..you could hear a pin drop

Thanks CCtoday.This cleared up any questions I had about Mr Lynch, that I could not quickly (google) find the answers to.
10/06/07 @ 11:04 am
deltaman [Member] writes:
Before I rush to judge, I wish to authenticate "Dr. Lynch's" C-V above, with the one he previously submitted in court, which was allegedly discredited~"shredded" by the Shinnecock attorneys; I believe that their central point of contention was that JAMES PATRICK LYNCH undertook many of these scholastic endeavors, but wandered off without finishing 'em. I'm entering this note only as a placeholder in this discussion; as soon as I have obtained a copy of that testimony -regardless of what's contained therein - I'll be pleased to share; stay tuned; stay peaceful…

:)
10/06/07 @ 11:25 am
filletofsole [Member] writes:
deltaman, it seems you have some problems if you have nothing better to do than 'authenticate' other people's impressive credentials. pls seriously consider checking yourself in somewhere, perhaps that mortuary where you were employed? best of luck in your endeavors to descredit dr. lynch.
10/06/07 @ 11:39 am
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
"Stay peaceful"? Wow, you are so often unintentionally funny, deltaman. No need to shout, we can hear you just fine.

Something else you might learn in your fishing expedition to discredit James Lynch - according to Lynch, the Mashpee tribe's anthropologist and her then-client, the Paucatuck Eastern Pequot, and Donald Trump, claimed to Indian Gaming magazine that Lynch had falsified his credentials.

When the magazine was confronted with evidence that the allegation was false and threatened with a lawsuit, Indian Gaming published a retraction, paid Lynch's legal fees and compensated him for the error, again according to Lynch.

One other thing - Lynch says he's never sold an air conditioner in his life. And even if he had, I'm not sure how this has any bearing in the least on his academic and professional credentials.

Funny how the discussion turned away from the substance of what Lynch wrote into a scurrilous attempt to malign a man's character.

How about you, deltaman, what do you do for work, assuming you do? And do you have a Ph.D in history?
10/06/07 @ 4:05 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
Jack, we’ve repeatedly gone around on those same, lame red herrings; – it’s a 5 ~ 10 minute read, to extract everything I’ve said here, about who I am & my concerns around tribal sovereignty & casino gambling. Anyone who does that will see that I’ve taken the Mashpee clan members to task far more frequently than the CC2day clan & NIMBYists. Rather than foolishly participating in another one of your attempts to derail a factual discussion about vital concerns, I’m going to go-along with what you would apparently like to believe about me, & freely admit to be a recently-paroled, scurrilous, unprincipled ruffian, who’s already been paid $$-millions in up front money, along with the promise of a big stake in the future action, if I can just successfully pull off this “maneuver” OK? – Busted!

Now, this liar is willing to point out some things that are being consistently overlooked in these discussions; I’ve freely relinquished any claim to being the best, most-articulate person to state these things, but for your sakes’ I hope I’m still good-enough!

(Refresh or not, as you choose…)
10/06/07 @ 4:31 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
I take it that's a "no" on both counts, deltaman, as to you holding a job and/or a Ph.D ...?
10/06/07 @ 4:41 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
(Thanx, Jack – even when you’re being foolish, you’re sometimes useful…)

Fact – The Mashpee Wampanoag tribe has successfully completed an arduous, decade-long process to substantiate their request to have their sovereignty restored – they are one of only two tribes east of the Missisippi, whose principles & pride made them shun the far easier political route followed by others; Thru those years, with ample opportunities for public comment, their petition was decided on its merits, without the taint of political influence.

Fact – Like it or not, residents of Cape Cod now have a “new neighbor” with a federal grant of sovereign power - of sufficient magnitude to make decisions & undertake actions which can have an enormous impact on the people & economy of this region. Screaming at them in hate or fear won’t drive them away, because they have nowhere else to go; their ancestors’ bones amply demonstrate that this has been their home for thousands of years.

(Care to don that funny hat again? Your sacrifice will be rewarded - I promise!)
10/06/07 @ 4:46 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
Jack, simply do not engage with this person; is a waste of precious time (and excess non-sensical verbiage).
10/06/07 @ 4:55 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
You're probably right, filletofsole, but deltaman's shabby evasiveness has piqued my curiosity.

deltaman, you would remember if you were gainfully employed and/or ever earned a high school diploma, college degree, etc., right?

Incidentally, you assume I'm opposed to the Mashpee Wampanoag having tribal sovereignty and receiving federal recognition. Wrong again - this man is on a streak!
10/06/07 @ 5:00 pm
susan [Member] writes:
whose principles & pride made them shun the far easier political route followed by others; Thru those years, with ample opportunities for public comment, their petition was decided on its merits, without the taint of political influence.

Were they not turned down for sovereignty and came back with;
hmmmmm .. Jack Abramoff , political contributions, casinos, funding by casino investors to get their sovereign power ... doesn't that make the political route you speak of debatable?

You are another one not doing the tribe any favors with your words DM.
10/06/07 @ 5:11 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
lemme guess, deltaman ... you sell air conditioners, right?! ... and it's been hot lately and customers have been testy and you really hate your job ... it's all starting to make sense ...
10/06/07 @ 5:17 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
someone on this site, pls appreciate the word 'sovereignity.' you want glenn marshall and corrupt billionaire lobbyists changing the face of new england to serve as 'kings'?...understand this word...is not deserved in a 'commonwealth.' dr. lynch's piece is accurate. make up your minds. 'all for one and one for all.' yeah, right. and do some serious research as dr. lynch does as to what a native is/made of. ty
and Jack, stop wrestling with deltaman over stupid comments.
10/06/07 @ 5:27 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
filletofsole, whether you like it or not, the Mashpee tribe did receive federal recognition, and Marshall is no longer chairman of the tribal council (and may eventually go to jail).

At issue here is whether the Mashpee tribe has a claim to land for a casino in Middleboro. According to James Lynch, they don't, and he's not alone. Members of the Pokanoket tribe in Rhode Island are saying the same thing, which Lynch's critics in this forum can't bring themselves to acknowledge.
10/06/07 @ 5:34 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
Jack, dr. lynch's excellent research and the posting of his article did what it was meant to do: debate. pls see also the new ca 25-year bia casinos ruling.
10/06/07 @ 5:41 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
That's a good suggestion, filletofsole, and I plan to do just that. I scanned through at the article when it was posted and haven't read the entire piece.

That being said, I doubt it will be the last court ruling on tribal sovereignty. Reasonable people can disagree on the extent of sovereignty but count me among those who believe it must allow for some degree of autonomy and control of tribal lands or it's meaningless.
10/06/07 @ 5:47 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
as long as there is reasonable debate, and time to make careful choices by all versus ruthlessness by the greedy, fine by me.
10/06/07 @ 5:52 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
(Easiest way to get rid of me is to let me finish – thanx for the refresh…)

Remarkably, the Mashpee appear to bear no residual malice towards the non-native population with whom they now share their historic homeland. At the same time, I don’t detect any sense of pious obligation that they should even consider the region’s interests when devising plans to promote the Tribe’s own causes. In fact, I can easily envision that their eagerness to move forward on many fronts at this time, might produce unintended negative impacts on the region – I’ve expressed this concern repeatedly, while still finding no reason to believe that continually hurling insults at them will eventually improve their sensitivity & respect for regional interests…
10/06/07 @ 5:57 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
... but it's hunky-dory for you to hurl insults at James Lynch, deltaman? You just referred to him as "this liar" a few comments ago, in case you've suddenly developed amnesia.
10/06/07 @ 6:23 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
Jack, I respectfully request that you calm-down sufficiently to re-read what I said & reconsider your libelous comment - You can easily see that the "Liar" I'm referring to is ME!! I thought by eliminating that point of contention, we've eliminated a lot of side issues that seem to keep you from considering only the merits of what I say, rather than speculating endlessly about my character (I think you owe me a refresh, but I also want to have some face time with family for a few hours)

I fully recognize that there's lots of heat in this room right now - your patience with me will really help me a lot with finishing this treatise quickly, while paying due respects to the issues you're facing. When finished, I'll be ready to move on - at least from this debate, in its present form. Obviously, you'll each be free to decide if this "Liar" left something useful…
10/06/07 @ 6:26 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
thanks for clarifying that "this liar" you referred to was you and not Lynch, deltaman. Any reason why you've given such a wide berth to questions about your employment and academic credentials? Seeing how you've considered these subjects fair game when it comes to Lynch, why not you?
10/06/07 @ 6:34 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
Jack, you posted it and hadn't read it? this bloggirl is now confused, because was so important. pls note, girls do not like wrestling.
10/06/07 @ 6:36 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
the post on tribal sovereignty, filletofsole, not this one. Some girls do like wrestling, by the way, or at least in my experience.
10/06/07 @ 6:38 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
haha...meant when boys are fighting...lol
10/06/07 @ 6:45 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
Jack, I've seen you demonstrate the intellect, wisdom & demeanor of an outstanding statesman on occasion; this is clearly not one of your best days - However, if you can embrace the concept of my being a liar, then all those other irrelevancies that repeatedly distract you will just fade away, & you need only to dwell on this liar's ideas… If we can't even agree on that novel concept, then I'm truly outta luck & stuck in muck, but wtf, I've tried…

So, it's all up to you Jack; do I continue?
10/06/07 @ 6:45 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
What do you do for work, deltaman?
10/06/07 @ 6:47 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
deltaman, do you seriously want me to trump you? knock it off!
10/06/07 @ 6:52 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
how did this become 'texas hold'em'? disengaging, and yey watching with some mild, somewhat frightening, unenlightened wrestling match. boys will be boys. have a good night, boys.
10/06/07 @ 6:59 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
*yes (not yey)
10/06/07 @ 7:01 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Looks like deltaman beat a hasty retreat, filletofsole, which I've noticed he tends to do when on the losing end of an argument.
10/06/07 @ 7:13 pm
deltaman [Member] writes:
Not so fast jack & I'm not wasting an 'at bat' over here… You've been willing to clear-up confusion over other's personas, so why not end filletofsole's confusion over who I am/am not? You might even mention what you know about both deltawoman & deltaman personas being hijacked here & elsewhere, in attempts to unethically discredit straight talk thru trickery… Now, I do have a life too. Jack but my recent time-outs have been rarer and shorter than yours; I'll be back later, hopefully learn your go or no response - it's still up to you…
10/06/07 @ 7:20 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
verbiageman and his multiple schizo personas will NEVER go away...got it yet? STICK TO THE ISSUES! sovereignty? live on a rez...is far worse than any ghetto you could possibly imagine. casinos, regulated, may be a better choice. Now, have a good weekend!
10/06/07 @ 7:27 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Go or no go, I have no idea what you're talking about, deltaman. Clarity is not one of your strengths. As for deltaman, deltawoman, again, no idea and even less interest.

What I do know is that you have run roughshod over the reputation and professional credentials of James Lynch in the course of more than 150 comments here, yet when challenged as to what your employment and academic credentials are, you respond with ... zilch!
10/06/07 @ 8:40 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
maybe, just maybe, if paula peters had been elected, and not the disgusting rapist, liar, thief glenn marshall, who sold his 'sole' to the devil for a plasma tv and a new suv, and who belongs in federal prison for having sole'd out, oh, all of massachusetts, for self-aggrandizement. oh, just wait for the changes this low-life, two-bit felon is going to bring about to 'our,' and i do mean 'all,' not just one clan or another, demographics--do think atlantic city; any homeowner will flee any region in this state that has a casino. how does anyone applaud that his 'means achieved a good end,' achieving bia 'tribal' recognition through not just fraud, but at the expense of the entire state? the new california law which requires a 25-year waiting period after bia recognition should be a similar plan adopted by our new taxachusetts-happy governor.
10/06/07 @ 8:55 pm
tillman3 [Member] writes:
very serious question, which most probably will require duck-and-cover action: are all of antone costa's 17 'cape verdean' children, as listed on their birth certificates, and who now claim they are wampanoag, or mashpee, with their official bia 'cards,' on the new bia tribal recognition list for benefits thanks to glenn marshall, who also claimed to be portuguese before his ego and greed got the best of him?
10/06/07 @ 10:00 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
In response to Jeff Chapter XI's comment - "my beef has never been with the man," referring to Lynch, "but with his delivery boy" - who are you referring to?
10/06/07 @ 10:09 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
Jack, i will be repetitive for the last time: deltaman, jts, chapxi, bopo, noggin, et al., and even the most repugnant commentators ever, t-rider and coloredguy, are one and the same. pls wrestle someone worthy of your mettle. pls, enough. some worthy commentary, pls. ty
10/07/07 @ 12:47 pm
tillman3 [Member] writes:
no, chapxi is jeff blanchard?
10/07/07 @ 1:39 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
thanks for ending the repetition about that, filletofsole, much appreciated.

tillman3, I believe you are correct, based on reading Jeff Chapter XI's previous comments. Jeff appears to share deltaman's proclivity for dodging awkward questions.
10/07/07 @ 1:59 pm
tillman3 [Member] writes:
who is paula peters? and how, exactly, was she defeated by glenn marshall?
10/07/07 @ 2:52 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
instead of petty in-fighting, would someone please address the real issues?
10/07/07 @ 2:52 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Paula is a former reporter colleague of mine at the Cape Cod Times. I don't know the specifics of what happened when she challenged Marshall, but that she did speaks well of her.
10/07/07 @ 6:09 pm
quahog [Member] writes:
tilman3, she was defeated because she got fewer votes.
10/07/07 @ 6:17 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
some have the impression she was out-muscled, unfairly, by glenn marshall and his cohorts...oh, these nasty rumors...
10/08/07 @ 7:58 am
exlibris [Member] writes:
as to the bingham's or any other 'wampanoag' now seeking to file another landsuit with or without approval against all residents of mashpee, please re-print Dr. Lynch's article over and over and over. this is another affront.
10/08/07 @ 10:20 am
tillman3 [Member] writes:
with real estate foreclosures in massachusetts and on cape cod at an all-time high, how beneficial is it for 'wamp/mashpee' to re-visit an unnecessary land 'reparations' lawsuit (clearly no one watched the democratic debates re 'reparations'; no candidate agrees with these claims) tying up the courts' time and residents' property, when so many of us, if the face of this state is to change into atlantic city, thanks to the extorionististic efforts of the wamp/mashpee marshall and all his/their cohorts?
10/08/07 @ 12:54 pm
tillman3 [Member] writes:
'when so many of us' *want to move
10/08/07 @ 12:59 pm
exlibris [Member] writes:
extorionististic? hmmm, extortion--illegal use of one's official position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage.
10/08/07 @ 1:46 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
Sounds like that could apply to many politicians - especially here. I just wanted to add MHO about the article. Assimilation is regarded by most N. American tribes to be a negative thing. It's one of the reasons why I doubt the article's content. Many indigenous people really don't want outsiders nosing into their business, so they have invented some stories for "white" people (mostly so they can be left alone - who can blame them). This person, Mr. Lynch, sounds to me to be a non-native. It sounds like you could be arguing a mute point in regards to the validity of his info. I am also wondering about the presence of shape-shifters.
10/08/07 @ 1:48 pm
capedreams [Member] writes:
here in mashpee, we've seen so many wild turkeys lately, and singularly, spectacularly in mashpee, since wild turkeys are the most important issue on people's minds.
10/08/07 @ 2:39 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
diana, the mashpee do not want 'assimilation' and just want to keep to yourself? who needs a melting pot? immigrants? most of us are mixed-bloods, mutts. please show the birth certificates of pure-blood mashpees. why is this all about mashpee mixed-bloods, and the rapaciousness and mashpee scandal? does not make sense.
10/08/07 @ 2:54 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
"The Mashpee enclave that came into existence in 1665 consisted of expatriate Indians from many different tribal groups who, having adopted Christianity, shed their previous tribal political relations and portions of their own cultural ideology and came together into what was known as a "Praying Indian Town" or simply "Praying Town."

This is what I doubt. There are missions up and down the coast of CA dedicated partially to converting "savages" to Christians. I think this could be some propoganda claiming "Wampanoag" as not a tribe. If you are not a tribe, then you do not exist, if you do not exist as a people, then we (town of Mashpee, other towns) do not owe you any land.
10/08/07 @ 2:57 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
propaganda
10/08/07 @ 3:31 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
"This person, Mr. Lynch, sounds to me to be a non-native," Diana writes - in other words, Lynch cannot write of Native American history by virtue of not being of Native American descent (an assumption, not incidentally - can you state this with certainty, Diana?)

I reject your premise, just as I would if someone suggested that a Native American could not write authentically about the history of Ireland, the home of my ancestors. To borrow the words of a wise man ideed, the color of our skin is less important that the content of our character.
10/08/07 @ 3:32 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
diana, pls do very extensive research on global indigenous issues, before isolating. 'expatriate': yes! not everyone agrees on everything; we all, as many different races, creed, and colors, have had and have and made/make choices. indigenous peoples are most certainly not just this corrupt scandal on cape cod effecting massachusetts. live on a rez with pure-bloods in other areas of this country, or even countries; this is nothing except corruption at its best. isolation is poverty and despair. assimilation, not warfare. this is not a condemnation, this is reality. glenn marshall and the mashpee chose war, as many throughout history have chosen to do for their own good. we are mutts, as a whole people, not one or the other of this or that, imho
10/08/07 @ 3:52 pm
wamp-pride [Member] writes:
I’m trying my best to just read and not comment as I promised, but, filletofsole please speak for yourself. Many Wamps are TRUE Mashpeeians. We have been here since birth, going back as far as great, great, great, great grandparents. Generalizing and calling everyone a mutt is not the answer.
10/08/07 @ 3:59 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
'pride cometh before a fall'--those pesky birth certificates keep coming up and they state, mutt!
10/08/07 @ 4:03 pm
capedreams [Member] writes:
question: does the bia require the birth certificates stating nationality to determine a clam's status?
10/08/07 @ 4:15 pm
exlibris [Member] writes:
if you know anything about history, geography, and evolution--the ice ages and the global immigration of all peoples thousands and thousands of years ago--it is highly doubtful that the mashpee simply spawned here.
10/08/07 @ 4:44 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
Wamp-pride, please get in touch with Wôpanâshqâ; you can leave a msg at the Council office - Thanks!
10/08/07 @ 7:14 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
I hope no one regards me as an expert on this matter. I understand as Native people you have differing points of view. I am just offering what I know from what I have learned. Sometimes people just think of things in terms of legality, money, land, they have very little in the way of a conscience. This particular article focuses on the point of whether or not there is an acutal tribe. If you are all mixed then as non-direct decendents you might not be entitled to anything. Not that this is an issue that concerns you, but, for some, it is all they concern themselves with. Maybe ask Jack why he decided to print this particular article. This is a legal issue he is raising.
10/08/07 @ 7:30 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Diana, this is a legal issue that James Lynch is raising, not that I'm raising. If you'd like to write an op-ed in response to this, or if anyone else would for that matter, we'd be glad to publish it. Publishing op-eds is not endorsement of the views contained within; is an endorsement of the idea of providing a forum for an exchange of ideas.

Seeing how this op-ed has more than 200 comments in response, publishing it appears more than amply justified.
10/08/07 @ 7:49 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
The op-ed was posted by Jack Coleman.
10/08/07 @ 7:56 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Posted by me in my capacity as editor, reporter and blogger at this site, and written by James Lynch.
10/08/07 @ 8:09 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
I think many might think you agree with him. And from the tone of your comments, it sounds as if you stand behind what he says. Just an observation.
10/08/07 @ 8:18 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
"Many" may think whatever they choose, Diana. Fact is, I don't know enough about the subject to have an opinion one way or another.

Just an observation on my part that you are unwilling to acknowledge that Lynch is not the only person challenging the Mashpee tribe's claim to land for a casino in Middleboro. So are members of the Pokanoket tribe in Rhode Island, and from a Native American perspective. It's not opinion on my part to point this out, nor an endorsement, it's a statement of fact.
10/08/07 @ 8:18 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Jack,


Many days ago, I emailed Mr Lynch and asked him to come to this site and answer his critics.....still no response. Have you had the opportunity to talk with him?
10/08/07 @ 8:23 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Buzz, I've conversed with him by email and know that he's followed the comments here. Whether Mr. Lynch wants to answer his critics in this forum is up to him.
10/08/07 @ 8:37 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
"but it's hunky-dory for you to hurl insults at James Lynch, deltaman? You just referred to him as "this liar" a few comments ago, in case you've suddenly developed amnesia."
Oh I get it, everything comes back to crimes against humanity involving Native Americans. Are you able to make the leap to other subjects or is that pretty much it?

'Go or no go, I have no idea what you're talking about, deltaman. Clarity is not one of your strengths. As for deltaman, deltawoman, again, no idea and even less interest.'

'What do you do for work, deltaman?'

filletofsole, whether you like it or not, the Mashpee tribe did receive federal recognition, and Marshall is no longer chairman of the tribal council (and may eventually go to jail).

You're probably right, filletofsole, but deltaman's shabby evasiveness has piqued my curiosity.

deltaman, you would remember if you were gainfully employed and/or ever earned a high school diploma, college degree, etc., right?

Fine by me, Diana. Freedom's just another word for posting where you want.

J. Coleman

SEE CCT Commenting policies (below)
10/08/07 @ 8:54 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
We only delete those comments that are abusive, off-topic..... making negative personal comments about a blogger or fellow commenter.
CCToday commenting policy
10/08/07 @ 8:57 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
... your point being ...?
10/08/07 @ 9:28 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
Jack, you are being rude to people and discouraging them from speaking their point of view. It makes no one look bad other than yourself. You seem a little out of control. And it sounds like all you are doing is trying to get people upset so they comments on your blog. As a fellow blogger and reporter I feel obligated to point out our policies. Maybe you need to take a break.
10/08/07 @ 9:37 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Wrong, Diana, I am challenging the people here who have genuinely been rude, those who referred to what James Lynch wrote as a "piece of sh**" and "worthless drivel" and those who disagree with them as "f**** racists". These comments and many more apparently slipped past your radar, yet when I challenge those who write them, you conclude that I'm the one who's rude. You're like the bystander who sees a police officer using force to stop a person from being assaulted, then complains about the evils of violence in any form.

As a fellow reporter and blogger I feel obligated to point out how disingenuous you are. Maybe you need to take a break, but that's a decision entirely your own.
10/08/07 @ 11:01 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
Diana, Jack has lots of practice with his one debating trick - pretending to be a fun house mirror, in order to challenge folks perceptions of what they honestly see going on around them; remember, you're still the final judge of whether or not he's any good at it!

@*~(( ? - Nah; no way! =;)
10/08/07 @ 11:49 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Practice, practice, muwin.

Diana, what's the name of your blog?
10/09/07 @ 4:19 am
capedreams [Member] writes:
Jack, you took the words right out of my mouth.
commentators are not bloggers.
the issue is not 'legality' versus 'humanism' regarding what the mashpee have confronted all citizens, native and non-native, with--in mashpee, on cape cod, in middleboro (the new atlantic city?), in massachusetts, in new england. certain commentators are spouting that they are the only 'true' natives, that this is their 'Nation,' and that they are the only heirs to our land. re-filing a 30-year lawsuit will be met this time with a countersuit. don't waste the courts' and taxpayers' time. you'll get your altantic city; but you will not take my land.
10/09/07 @ 5:10 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"but you will not take my land." Ironic, isn't it? That must have been the exact thing the Indians said the the Pilgrims! And we all know what happened then, don't we?
10/09/07 @ 8:56 am
exlibris [Member] writes:
the new name for the town of Mashpee--"What's this 'WE' shit, paleface?"
see very funny article...
10/09/07 @ 9:00 am
tillman3 [Member] writes:
b-s, interbreeding?
10/09/07 @ 9:16 am
Diana [Member] writes:
I don't get how he is being discriminated against. In a debate people stick with the issues and don't attack each other. As an editor I think you need to rise above. IMO calling someone a "liar" using "shabby evasiveness" and questioning a persons education and intelligence, commenting on his wife, all comes under the heading of abusive and negative personal comments. Your tone for the most part is very negative.
10/09/07 @ 9:36 am
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
An example of how you "need to rise above," Diana, is to get your facts straight before perpetuating an obvious but unstated agenda on your part. I haven't called anyone a "liar" here but Mr. Lynch's critics have most certainly done that, which you conveniently turn a blind eye to. "Commenting on his wife"? - I have no idea what you are referring to. By all means, please clarify instead of leaving intentionally vague. "Questioning a persons (sic) education and intelligence" - as in, asking deltaman what his education and professional background was after he and others repeatedly denigrated the education and professional background of James Lynch - until his resume was posted, showing the man has a doctorate in history. Since then, the nasty and negative attacks on the man have stopped. I'd think you would welcome an end to such rancor. Instead, you are clearly chagrined.

You really want to build bridges, Diana? Stop with the double standards.
10/09/07 @ 12:15 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
Jack, you posted this article. If people attack the author of the article you post, then it could show better form to rise above them and explain why you posted this particular article or use facts to defend his position. I'm kind of curious. Instead of providing substance, you attack people. This is a very sensitive issue and the article you posted is not depicting indigenous people in a positive light. It seems to say they don't exist. (ie - last sentence). My blog is about Building Bridges. I think you are a good writer, but wasting a lot of time with personal attacks.
10/09/07 @ 12:25 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
You're the one wasting time on personal attacks, Diana, as a more honest person than you would acknowledge. As for me posting his op-ed, that I did, just as I would post one from anyone who'd like to challenge Lynch's claims. See how it works?

For someone seemingly so upset about personal attacks, you display an odd tendency to look the other way when Lynch's critics call him a liar and a racist and compare his views to Holocaust denial and even sink so low - gasp! - as to allege Lynch once may have sold air conditioners. Why the blind eye toward all that, Diana?
10/09/07 @ 1:14 pm
Diana [Member] writes:
I can't speak for Lynch. I don't know him or really care if people attack his views. I didn't post this article. It would be interesting to know the reason why he wrote this essay/book? I don't understand the comment about air conditioners? All in all, I think this is just futile to continue to go back and forth.
10/09/07 @ 1:18 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Diana, that you don't care if people attack Lynch's views, and him personally for that matter, is obvious. As for why Lynch wrote the essay, ask him, his email is included at the end.

As for the futility of engaging in further dialogue with you, I couldn't agree more. I prefer the real thing.
10/09/07 @ 1:38 pm
huron [Member] writes:
unclear: how is anything in this article offensive? the issues brought about were by the mashpee, glenn marshall, and foreign lobbyists and investors, which are being challenged, as they should be. and the problem is?
10/09/07 @ 2:31 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
Jeff (registered user) writes:


"Historically there was never a Wampanoag tribe per se."?
10/09/07 @ 3:06 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Yay Jeff!!!! THAT's the issue!
Imagine someone telling you-- "Oh, by the way....you don't exist."
freakin white people.
10/09/07 @ 3:09 pm
tillman3 [Member] writes:
b-s, historically, there never was an american; therefore, none of us exist. btw, what is your problem? just bitter?
10/09/07 @ 3:40 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Do I sound bitter? Far from it. It's just very funny to me that a person would tell someone else all about their heritage, and their history...as if the person they're telling doesn't know!
And historically, there were people here before the pilgrims came. And they were systematically wiped out (slaughtered)as were the buffalo. And historically, wasn't this land named by a guy called Amerigo Vespucchi? That's when the "historical" America began. But you can't pretend there wasn't a world here before then....and that it wasn't stolen through deceit, trickery and evil-doing. At least that's what i learned in my social studies class.
10/09/07 @ 8:12 pm
barbie&ken [Member] writes:
Bittersweet, I’m beginning to suspect there’s a simple reason behind so many other cc2day 'visitors' have been drifting away recently - - Most well-managed Monkey Houses train the residents to only throw their excrement at each other when annoyed or threatened, rather than at the visitors…

I find it heart-wrenching to watch the abuse suffered by you, Diana & a few other noble souls who still believe that they might someday convince the CC2day staff to confess their errors & abandon their cynical pronouncements - without any regard for the negative professional & financial impacts such admissions could entail!

There must be easier paths to sainthood elsewhere - with opportunities to redeem far greater numbers of sinners; so why do you beautiful people continue to devote so much energy into repeatedly attempting to rescue the souls of a few sorry folk like Jack Coleman, who appear so adamantly resistant to being rescued?

Bless ya for trying!

.
10/09/07 @ 8:58 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
It's not about sainthood b&k...I just hate bullies. And really hate injustice and people acting like it's no big deal. Unless, of course, it happens to them. But what they fail to realize is we is them!!All of us. And we're in this together. So, if something is wrong, it is wrong. Period. No matter who it happens to. Any of you read Vitality? It's a great publication...From the Oct.issue:
"Some things you must always be unable to bear. Some things you must never stop refusing to bear. Injustice and outrage and dishonor and shame. No matter how young you are or how old you have got. Not for kudos and not for cash, your picture in the paper nor money in the bank, neither. Just refuse to bear them."--William Faulkner
Don't you feel that way too??
10/09/07 @ 11:19 pm
barbie&ken [Member] writes:
Bittersweet, We understand your point that when one is injured, we all are… But is there a larger & more positive application of that rule? By applying your spirit of "We're all in this together" - how would you see that Cape's larger population might best be responding to the Mashpee Tribe's recently restored sovereign status? How should the Tribe be responding to public concerns that the Tribe can now make decisions having far-reaching effects on the entire region?
10/10/07 @ 6:41 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Honestly? in my opinion, everyone else need to back off, and let the tribe "do its thing". And let the chips fall where they may. Then we will see who they are as people. And we may find out they are no better than white people...I keep hoping to find someone who is. Keep hoping for some decent, moral leaders who will do what's right for the community, and not for their own "special interests". Keep hoping someone in power that actually cares about the words "libery and justice for all".
The "larger population" has had its chance, hasn't it? For a very long time.And the value they seem to push is $$$. So, since this decision is in the tribes hands, let them follow their own conscience, and make it. And we will have to live with it, as the tribe has had to live with decisions foisted on them for a long time too.
10/10/07 @ 8:59 am
cape07 [Member] writes:
honestly, no, you just sound racist, and bitter.
10/10/07 @ 2:48 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
LOL...How can i be racists when I'm white myself?
What's the matter, you can all dish it out, but you can't take it?
i did not insult anybody in my answer, and yet you come back with one. Why? can't you discuss without making personal attacks?
Why does the tone here always have to be negative and combative?
What is racist or bitter about what I said?
10/10/07 @ 3:53 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bittersweet,
correct me if I'm wrong. You've been posting here quite awhile now. Several months ago, you blogged about a wild conspiracy theory that motivated your positons. When you make comments like "And we may find out they are no better than white people...I keep hoping to find someone who is." How do you expect us (the whites) or anyone else for that matter to respond? It's off base and offenive in general. Can you be specific with your charges?
10/10/07 @ 4:14 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Just look around you Buzz...who is in charge here, who runs the show? Once again, I'm not talking about other countries, i'm talking about the USA. Or Cape Cod if you like. (And ps: i'm us-the whites too.) Who makes the decisions affecting our lives? Mostly it's either white men or white women. So, if i have complaints, where should I put them? You yourself have voiced a pretty negative opinion of Kennedy, haven't you? So, maybe a change in leadership would equal a change in the running of things? Maybe some different values are needed. Maybe it's worth a shot to try something new. These past 6 yrs. or so have been way too mean-spirited for me. Because calling single moms "gimme girls" is offensive to me. Telling someone "If you don't like it, leave" is offensive to me. Saying "you'll miss the canoe" (as opposed to missing the boat) is offensive to me. So, do we ever hear apologies for any of that? No.Do you ever think comments like those are offbase? Probably not.So, why do we hear a constant refrain of your side of things, and when it's another point of view it's racist and bitter?
10/10/07 @ 4:59 pm
barbie&ken [Member] writes:
Bittersweet, Ken & I have followed many attempts by you & others, to either challenge or defend claims about what’s spurring your intentions or coursing thru your hearts; However, I cannot recall ever seeing a party to one of those debates walking away with a reformulated view of the World! (Just try searching on “Oops, my bad!”) For variety, I’ll avoid all integrity issues, and ask a follow-up “Q” to one of your comments from much earlier today…

I think your advice was/is to just leave the Mashpee tribe alone, & let them ‘do their thing’ unmolested. If I’ve read that properly, then my “Q” 2 U is how likely is that advice to be followed, if their 'thing' winds-up being perceived as a threat to the ruling class on the Cape? Just look at how loudly old-money “talks” even in opposition to something so socially innocuous as an offshore wind farm! Do you have any considered ideas for forging agreements between – or building detours around – a well-endowed, well-connected nimbi-establishment & Mashpee tribal aspirations? (This is a 'biggie' imo, so I hope there's lots of useful ideas!)
10/10/07 @ 5:03 pm
barbie&ken [Member] writes:
OK, so here's an "Oops, my bad!" Post should have said NIMBY-establishment - witness the hazard of letting Ms Word perform auto-correct… (my apology)
10/10/07 @ 5:31 pm
cape07 [Member] writes:
b-s, it's simple, you complain too much.
10/10/07 @ 5:49 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
No, you know, I geuss that's why Abramoff was needed in the first place! It's the same old story...money talks.But, doesn't the Tribe have the law on their side? (I know that might be a stupid question, after seeing what happened in Rhode Island and the whole cigarrette debacle)
But, if it's legal for the Tribe to do as it sees fit as a Sovereign Nation, then why not do so?
I mean, since when do these well-connected people consult anybody about anything they want to do?
So, i geuss i have no good ideas....I would say "Do what's good for the Tribe, and the hell with everybody else!" But then you wold be just like the nimby's! It sure is a sticky pickle.
10/10/07 @ 5:58 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Maybe so 07, because i feel so powerless to do anything about the crap that goes on. what do you suggest? just keep my mouth shut?
10/10/07 @ 5:58 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
bandk, 'ruling class'? 'old money'?
b-s, your head just exploded again, uh, like you know?
money--corrupt, dirty money--bought the 'sovreign' wamps their 'recognition.'
10/10/07 @ 6:04 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Yes...didn't i say that? That's why Abramoff was needed in the first place?

It's the only way to get anything done with this bunch in the gvt. Do you disagree with that?
10/11/07 @ 4:08 am
usgju [Member] writes:
STOP the romanticizing. facts and statistics are necessary-numbers and information that s/not be withheld. 1,500+(?) clan members (just a guess, who really knows?) are attempting radical change that effects everyone, at a very high cost to all. facts are needed, not just for projections for new ways to achieve new taxachusetts revenue, and allow a 'sovereign' 'nation' to make money, money that was projected for social services, like halfway-houses, etc. cc already has enough crime, and not just the highest heroin use in the u.s. why spread the crime on cc into other parts of this state? replicate new england into cc? NO!!! why is this small clan on cc entitled to have ALL their books closed-not just the financial records, which the fbi, irs, and ag have their work cut out for-but background checks on all enrollment records, such as criminal histories? many clan members fully know that there is a statistical phenomenon of criminal recidivism among clan members. do some criminal background checks. do your homework. and stop blaming it on whitey or the govt. you have a voice.
10/11/07 @ 4:30 am
usgju [Member] writes:
dr. lynch-linguistical question, tribe is a large umbrella term that refers to a multitude of clans within that tribe, for example, iroquois versus algonquin? and therefore, the wampanoag would be a clan of what tribe?
10/11/07 @ 5:20 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
It's still up to them to do what they are going to do, and if you don't like it, i geuss you will have to live with it....as many people have had to do in this world where people run rough-shod over each other. As it says in the bible; those who are without sin can cast the first stone. Can you say that the white people(where did "whitey" come from?)have treated the Native American's with dignity and respect? No, and yet they deserve it from the Indians in return? Why?
10/11/07 @ 5:26 am
usgju [Member] writes:
b-s and her exploding head are now on ignore, permanently. no, bitter, is up to all of us. whitey came from you. read your comments. bye.
10/11/07 @ 6:14 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
No,i said "freakin white people". Not "whitey". That came from all of you who got SO offended at the term "white people".
Ignore all you want...you can't escape history.
10/11/07 @ 9:12 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Neither is your assesment of "all my dreams". The problem I have is that people think they can do whatever they want and suffer no consequences for their actions. Maybe you heard about Chalmers Johnson's book, "Blowback"? America's shady "shadow gvt." has been causing all kinds of havoc around the world for decades....with no oversight, no accountability, hell, no knowledge of the American people, in whose name they do these things! Read "Confessions of an Economic Hit-man" if you really want your eyes opened.
So, no, I said, "they may not be any better than white people", but dammit--they deserve their chance too!
And due to the shady, lying, thieving way the "settlers" stole/swindled/broke treaties up the yin-yang with the people who were already here....white people today are going to have to eat crow for the deceptive, evil ways of the first whites who landed on these shores.
That's my opinon about it, babe.
10/11/07 @ 9:41 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Well, ok then...they're attitude should be "We do what's best for the tribe. Period."
They really have no obligation to anyone else at all, do they?
10/11/07 @ 9:44 am
wamp-pride [Member] writes:
It’s funny how B'Sweet can be a racist for her remarks when they are regarding her own race and the editor has nothing to say. When I called News-gal a racist for her very RACIAL remarks, such as, “they will rise up and launch another King Philip's War against you and your kind” and “he won't wait for 1,500 nice but apparently disinterested or complacent folks in Mashpee to figure out why they should drop these clowns and do it FAST or they'll miss the canoe" I was told to knock the bulls&^% off or I would be banned from posting on this site. Seriously people it’s blogging, get over it. That’s why it’s done in cyberspace. B’Sweet you go girl, you have an opinion, voice it! I may not participate, but, you should know that there are readers supporting you.
10/11/07 @ 9:55 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Thank you wamp-pride.
10/11/07 @ 10:36 am
susan [Member] writes:
Ya know, the present day Mashpee are no different from the rest of us. No one handed any of us land. We all work the same jobs for what we have. Our kids go to the same schools. We shop in the same stores. It is 2007, not 1700. Many of us share the same blood. Yes, many Mashpee today are not 100% Indian any more than many who claim being Irish. How many tribes today are in business, like any other corporation? We are NOT so different as some portray here.
10/11/07 @ 11:19 am
muwin [Member] writes:
Wamp-pride, I understand that 'lurking' may be a wise warrior's way to pick the best time & place for engaging; I also know that's not a comfortable way for one whose heart is filled with so much pride & compassion. I'm gratified to see what still draws you out from time-to-time; those moments speak much of your character! Nevertheless, despite having many fine qualities, ESP does not appear to be one of 'em; if you've been calling, you'll need to actually leave a message next time… ;)
10/11/07 @ 11:22 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Those other people that you mentioned CAME here...the native tribes were already here.
And btw--Who brought the Africans over here? And for what purpose???
Because if you think about it, the whole country came into being by wiping out the inhabitants who were already there, stealing the land, and having the Africans do all the work for free.
So, who's getting something they did not earn?
10/11/07 @ 11:27 am
susan [Member] writes:
Why is it every time Wamp-pride speaks, she is supposed to call home? Muwin you sound like a "can you hear me now commercial."
10/11/07 @ 11:38 am
susan [Member] writes:
The point is BS, all of our ancestors in many countries, had land, lives, etc., taken from them. Many by the same English that came to America. Some countries endured this long before America and long after. Shall I call home to my clan in Ireland, tell them to get our land back from the Spanish and English and we can build a casino? Reality bites, but life goes on. I am not getting anything I did not earn.I don't ask for anything I did not earn. Are you?
10/11/07 @ 11:40 am
barbie&ken [Member] writes:
Dagny, are you implying that you're OK with foreign investors walking-away with ALL the $$'s in potential casino profits? If oil or natural gas is found on your property, is it your right to extract all the value you can from that opportunity, or should you step-aside, & let EXXON or CITGO reap all the profits, because some neighbors might claim you haven't 'earned' the right to share in any of those profits? Will you be filled with remorse over what happens to your old neighborhood, after the refinery moves in?
10/11/07 @ 11:41 am
wamp-pride [Member] writes:
muwin, huh? LOL, I did leave a message. Occasionally I get antsy and can’t help myself so have to comment on my readings. Lurking, well I guess you could say I have been somewhat of a lurker for the few days, maybe even weeks. The debates keep going in circles so I had to step back, breathe and listen. I felt like B'Sweet had a good point and someone needed to support her on that. Although, she holds her own very well.
10/11/07 @ 11:46 am
muwin [Member] writes:
Susan please accept my apologies for momentarily overlooking all YOUR fine qualities! Unfortunately, ESP doesn't appear to be one of yours, either… ;)
10/11/07 @ 11:48 am
wamp-pride [Member] writes:
muwin, I am so lost! I think I jumped in the conversation way to late, maybe I should go back and read the thread again ;)
10/11/07 @ 11:51 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
baby is up...will reply later.cause i do have one.
10/11/07 @ 11:58 am
muwin [Member] writes:
Wamp-pride -"Lost?" - On the contrary, I expect that you always know exactly where YOU are, and it's OTHERS who may not know how to find you… Still, I have occasionally noticed you lose your place in a thread, when you have both 'phones, two Word documents & three chat windows all underway at once! Whew, that computer never rests, once you're sittin' in front of it!

;)
10/11/07 @ 12:16 pm
susan [Member] writes:
try MySpace and aol Muwin lol hmmmm nope, not ESP just simple common sense search capabilities;)
10/11/07 @ 12:36 pm
barbie&ken [Member] writes:
Dagny, from you past remarks, I haven't seen cause for calling you a racist; being uninformed can provide the space for a soul to become twisted that way, but it doesn't cause it to happen…

I really hope that you will look again at the 'what if…?' questions I just posed to you; that's not a quiz; I don't need to know or grade your answers… I believe that your responses will all be wise ones, if you consult with both your head & your heart at least twice, before deciding on each of them…
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10/11/07 @ 1:24 pm
barbie&ken [Member] writes:
Dag, now we're talking! I sure agree with your 1st point; there will be lots of coyotes getting a better place in line for those bucks! But, here's the real deal - No Indian Activists thought-up this hair-brained scheme; 20 years ago, it was the US Gov't's BIA who saw an opportunity to duck the increasingly ugly reparations issue & serve up yet another opportunity to exploit native americans at the same time, Thru the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act. Sadly, for many tribes, this has been their only avenue to get the millions of $$'s required to clear all of the regulatory hurdles the BIA imposes on any tribe just attempting to reacquire the sovereignty which was stripped away from them. Now, how is this so different than your 'good luck' at discovering you have something of value, which others might consider unearned? Btw, after forcibly relocating native americans to Godforsaken desert in the southwest (thousands died as a result) when oil was discovered underneath them, the BIA forced them to move again! Indians would be best served, if the entire Washington DC Zip code imploded!
10/11/07 @ 1:47 pm
usgju [Member] writes:
why is it that whenever anyone has questions, that need to addressed, bitter's head splatters all over the screen? ignore the drivel, and answer direct questions.
10/11/07 @ 1:55 pm
barbie&ken [Member] writes:
"usgju" - we're seeing lotsa 'splatter' from you lately, & it smells nuttin' like brains!

:(
10/11/07 @ 2:44 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
geeeze usgju...I like how you ignore and insult all at the same time! And i geuss one person's drivel is another one's facts. And way back to Susan. If the people in Ireland who had been massacred by the British had the chance to re-coop some of their losses, i'd say "hell yes!" Wasn't it just that the Nazi's had to return some of the stolen loot to the Jews? And it is not blood money, or white guilt money. It is money that is deserved for all the unspeakable hell that people here had to go through so some foreign race of people could take over. What is so hard to understand about that?
And as for getting something that i haven't earned.....social security may not be around when i retire, so i can't say just yet.(as of now, i'll need to work til 80 anyway, so why bother?) But i do know my grandmother , and a whole generation of women in this country did! She never worked a day in her life (outside the home), and was taken care of quite nicely by the tax-payers til she was 89. Was she a gimme girl too?
10/11/07 @ 3:11 pm
barbie&ken [Member] writes:
Dag, I actually suspect that this is all turning out pretty-much as congress & government bureaucrats planned - which includes a steady stream of lobbyist buckS flowing into DC & letting lawyers golf in Bermuda- It's only them uppity Indians wot's gonna git' screwed again (& again…)

So, how can we (do we?) help them out with this problem, when tribes are forced to 'take out a huge mortgage' for just the hope of reclaiming some modest chunk of their original sovereignty?

Btw, I'm not gonna risk rekindling the recent Mashpee history 'debate' so I'll suggest anyone interested in more background to Wiki "Trail of Tears" - not much diff than scenarios that played-out throughout the good ol' US A(gainst 'them).

Nope, I don't have a 'stake' in this casino issue, beyond that of any other citizen of the Commonwealth. I'm not bitter either, but I sure am sad to see that for the most part, over 500 years, the only time we've let 'em be, was when they didn't have anything that someone else wanted! There's gotta be a price that we're all paying for that…

:(
10/11/07 @ 3:22 pm
muwin [Member] writes:
Wow, Bittersweet, you can't collect Social Security 'til you're "80?" You must be way-young, or really bad at math…

For your sake, I hope that both are true! ;)
10/11/07 @ 3:25 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
to answer your question, usg, yes, a 'sub-tribe' is called a clan.
10/11/07 @ 3:27 pm
filletofsole [Member] writes:
*one of your questions...
10/11/07 @ 3:52 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
well...one out of two muwin; i'm really bad at math! BUT, the amount I was due upon retiring at 65 has now moved up to 80.So, for us in our 40's, we will basically get very little $$ until we die. And it get's worse for the younger generations. But, i don't care. Money's only good if you spread it around, right?
10/11/07 @ 4:19 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
"dagny (registered user) writes:

barbie&ken:

I have news for you, as the deal stands now, foreign investors are already going to walk away with most of the profits of the casino."

Amen brother. Maybe they will be happy with the scraps.

The whole process is sick and Deval P. has made it sicker.

He is for gaming as long as he controls it. And for Cape Wind as long as he gets his share.

Sick! And you folks voted him in.

Good Luck.
10/11/07 @ 4:30 pm
barbie&ken [Member] writes:
Well, Dagny, can't you see reasons in the way native americans have been exploited that would account for them appearing defensive - even hostile & belligerent towards the 'white men who run this website' (your phrase) & are relentlessly exploiting them for the bucks & fleeting fame that might bring? The FBI & AG's office were already conducting investigations before this site launched their innuendo wars! I mean, the Sun's gonna come-up tomorrow, & our favorite Fish 'n Chips will be on the menu again; that's gonna make me way-happy, but I don't feel as tho I deserve much credit. Personally, I believe (betcha, most tribe folk do too) that PAK's 'outing' of GM was a good thing in the long view, but it has left 1500+ honest folks with some real messes to figure-out & clean up. I can't understand how you'd believe that any thing happening @ CC2day, since early September, has in any way aided those endeavors…

Sorry, if I leave you hanging, by signing-off for a while, Dag… Every now and again, I have to pretend to be a tiny bit domestic - adds to why I so look forward to Fridays!

;)
10/11/07 @ 4:36 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Jesus! As opposed to these wonderful paragons of virtue we've got running the white house? and the Pres wanna-be Romney? And Guiliani? Talk about sick.
10/11/07 @ 5:23 pm
whatasurprise [Member] writes:
no one has noticed that that the governor is black? so now black people are ripping off the saintly clan?
10/11/07 @ 5:46 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
He sounded very respectful of the Tribe today...very respecful of everybody. I geuss you are just as angry about Bechtel, Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater all making out like bandits in Iraq while our soldiers die and get wounded over there?
10/12/07 @ 9:11 pm
dianab [Member] writes:
reading through and ignoring many of the b-s comments posted, dr. lynch's ethnography is about a cc clan, as every native should know, as opposed to a tribe. he is correct. wampanoag is not an 'umbrella' term-that is reserved for a tribe.
10/16/07 @ 3:46 pm
nanepash [Member] writes:
I am a late entry, but I have read most of the comments. I agree with the author. Middleboro is not Mashpee or Wampanoag territory. It is Massachuseuk territory. Plus the claim that the Wampanoag territory extended to include most of modern eastern MA was never true, but is was true for the Massachuseuk. Any claims like this are time dependent.
10/16/07 @ 7:59 pm
erdrich [Member] writes:
nanepash, keep up the good work! it is sincerely appreciated.
10/16/07 @ 9:29 pm
bigyellowfeather [Member] writes:
does any mashpeed even know their tribe? what is the tribe, not the clan, and where is this clam descended from?
10/16/07 @ 9:34 pm
weary [Member] writes:
Boo Ya!
10/24/07 @ 11:36 am
realitycheck [Member] writes:
tillman3 (registered user) writes:
with real estate foreclosures in massachusetts and on cape cod at an all-time high, how beneficial is it for 'wamp/mashpee' to re-visit an unnecessary land 'reparations' lawsuit (clearly no one watched the democratic debates re 'reparations'; no candidate agrees with these claims) tying up the courts' time and residents' property, when so many of us, if the face of this state is to change into atlantic city, thanks to the extorionististic efforts of the wamp/mashpee marshall and all his/their cohorts?'
exlibris (registered user) writes:
if you know anything about history, geography, and evolution--the ice ages and the global immigration of all peoples thousands and thousands of years ago--it is highly doubtful that the mashpee simply spawned here.'
Now that we can all look forward to not only casinos and rising taxes due to cadillacman and his humiliated wife, a welfare-roll section 8 rez for a clam with no tribe. perfect. Pls re-post the victory photos of them with marshall and also the one of strather hugging marshall. V FOR VICTORY!!!!!
10/24/07 @ 1:30 pm
exlibris [Member] writes:
realitycheck (registered user) writes: Now that we can all look forward to not only casinos and rising taxes due to cadillacman and his humiliated wife, a welfare-roll section 8 rez for a clam with no tribe. perfect. Pls re-post the victory photos of them with marshall and also the one of strather hugging marshall. V FOR VICTORY!!!!!'

Where are the peaceful, non-criminal, non-bullying, non-scam/fraud Aquinnah in all this? The governor is the biggest fraud sell-out ever. Someone get a clue.
10/24/07 @ 8:35 pm
no_rez_on_cc [Member] writes:
CC has enough crime, corruption, idiocy, and incompetency already. How much is enough?
10/24/07 @ 9:28 pm
lakotasioux [Member] writes:
'the Comassakumkanet, a subtribe of the Wampanoag....'
clams, NOT tribes.
'Philip was a very nasty and ugly person, completely savage and unpredictable.' Under his rule, a horrific war was fought from Connecticut to New Hampshire. He was killed by fighting....
10/25/07 @ 12:18 am
thecolonel [Member] writes:
*
10/25/07 @ 1:40 pm
Ted from Hyannis Port [Member] writes:
Colonel...grrrr
10/25/07 @ 1:41 pm
Ted from Hyannis Port [Member] writes:
Cool read by the way, Jack.
10/25/07 @ 11:35 pm
bostonian [Member] writes:
Buzz (registered user) writes:
You two are pathetic.
No, three. Jeff keeps bitter and that other crazy one very titillated and excited, in a very paranoid-schizophrenic sort of way. What an embarassment this blog is for cctoday. The news, please.
10/26/07 @ 12:11 am
no_rez_on_cc [Member] writes:
CC is prepared for the drastic crime rise from a slum-rez in Mashpee, when CC crime, drug use, and unemployment is already reknowned, AND for casinos all over Mass., right? With the incompetent guv at the lead? Follow those evacuation signs right out of taxachusetts if you do not understand what's going on by now. Consider moving to upstate New York, with the Aquinnah. They've pursued the inevitable in a more dignified way than the clam-scam clan.
10/26/07 @ 6:21 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
You're a joke Buzz. What's more news than a corrup legal system that throws an innocent man in prison in order to protect a brutal murderer?
That's Pulitzer Prize material!
10/26/07 @ 7:40 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
bittersweet,

Again I ask, please tell us who killed Christa.
10/26/07 @ 9:31 am
susan [Member] writes:
"That's Pulitzer Prize material!"

poster girl for the reality impaired
10/26/07 @ 9:57 am
wolfram [Member] writes:
Buzz you are wasting your time asking bittersweet who killed Christa when it's Crusader who really knows whodunnit. **Stifles laugh**
10/26/07 @ 11:19 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

Why not go ask the knife weilding maniac who lives on outer cape...it's anyone's best guess he's the one bragging... or his friends (he has more we don't know about) or his family members who have protected him. Don't pretend like you don't know....
10/26/07 @ 11:22 am
crusader [Member] writes:
....and the indians were here first afterall....just another form of colonization by war-- by the English savages....like what we are doing over in Iraq, and soon all of the middle east....the only terrorists are living in the White House...wake up...many know this, but will not come out in the open because of $$$$$$corporations....what else? Different stories...same sad bottom line.
10/26/07 @ 11:38 am
susan [Member] writes:
"the only terrorists are living in the White House"
So, who were those men who got on a plane in Boston on 9/11?
10/26/07 @ 11:38 am
crusader [Member] writes:
If anyone is interested in fighting for freedom & our lost democracy:

END THE WAR NOW

OCT. 27TH--(TOMORROW)
Rally: 12 Noon, march 2pm
Boston Common
New England Mobilization to end the War
bring our troops home!

KILLED: 1,000,000,000 IRAQI CIVILIANS

3,800 U.S. TROOPS

4 MILLION DISPLACED IRAQI REFUGEES

SPENT: $500,000,000,000

GET INVOLVED www.Oct27.org
newenglandunited.org
masspeaceaction.org

statistics current: 9/25/07

(from a flyer at the train station)
10/26/07 @ 11:46 am
crusader [Member] writes:
The Bushes have been in it with the Saudi's and Bin Laden for years....Afganistan, CIA, .....where have you been?

We can find Sadam Hussein hiding in a foxhole, but why didn't they find BinLaden?

It's the same as cops not finding informants who have the dirt on the bad cops.....

Think about it.....we are over there fighting for oil, while our american troops keep dieing, Iraqi civilians are dieing over oil? And while americans here remain unemployed, without healthcare, elderly are neglected, social security is almost gone, corporate takeover through outsourcing our jobs, and welfare tax for the rich, housing industry in the gutter, construction is down.....

These rally's are going on in all major cities:

Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York City
New Orleans
Philadelphia
Salt Lake City
San Francisco
Seattle

It's time to take our country back and stop this president from global colonization. Sadam was and evil dictator, but the Bid Laden family has been in this with the Bushes as far back as Bush Sr. presidency...all the same henchmen in power.
10/26/07 @ 11:55 am
wolfram [Member] writes:
Crusader, re: your 11:19am comment, I am growing weary, and I'm sure I am not alone. Why don't you sign up with a new username and just type in the name of your "knife weilding maniac".
10/26/07 @ 12:12 pm
no_rez_on_cc [Member] writes:
jeff, bitter, crusader, can you even read this article and pertinent threads? your obsessive paranoia and hatred are truly frightening and inappropriate here or anywhere on cctoday. you are very sick individuals. PLEASE have the men in the white coats take them back to their padded cells.
10/26/07 @ 12:23 pm
bostonian [Member] writes:
badgirl (registered user) writes:

We have a torture method here, it's called reading crusaders comments.

Hahaha!!!
10/26/07 @ 12:53 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Hey Crusader,

When you're at the peace rally this weekend, how about asking for a moment of silence for all our brave troops who have kept us free from attack since 9/11?
10/26/07 @ 1:54 pm
nonewshere [Member] writes:
As long as the paranoid-schizophrenics -- who, as all know, always believe they know the truth (just ask the white coats, they're used to the grandiose, delusional, hate-paranoid rants) -- so much for intelligence on this planetoid. Why not just delete Blanchard's blog and get rid of them? You are becoming a flea-invested website with these three. Please ask them, politely, you know how crazy they are, to move it to another website.
10/26/07 @ 3:01 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
The paranoid-schizophrenics in this case, & don't forget the psycho-killers. Why not call Bob George & Peter Manso, wackos & anyone else who knows the truth? I followed this since the summer of 2005, worked in Wellfleet & had to deal with that no good writer & the rest who said, "the b*tch deserved what she (CW) got"...nice thing locals say about a woman who was brutally murdered & a little girl who will always wonder why someone didn't protect her mommy...she's lost her mother in one of the worst ways a child could,go ahead & turn your backs on the truth, continue to protect your scumbag locals we don't expect anything more. Someday, you will understand it's not worth it. Your low tide is stinking up the place so bad, we can all smell it miles away. Carry on with your delusions of Cape Cod utopia....it doesn't exist....go back to living inside your bottles...watch out for the blue hairs driving into fruit stands, you just might be in their way.
10/26/07 @ 3:17 pm
nonewshere [Member] writes:
'no_rez_on_cc (registered user) writes:
jeff, bitter, crusader, can you even read this article and pertinent threads? your obsessive paranoia and hatred are truly frightening and inappropriate here or anywhere on cctoday. you are very sick individuals. PLEASE have the men in the white coats take them back to their padded cells.'

CCtoday, this has gone far beyond idiocy. They truly have no reading or comprehension skills, just very sick, long rants over every blog on your website. Why allow this? Freedom of the press is not about lunacy.
Of course, there are many other viable news-sites. If this is the blanchard-bitter-crunutsy padded cell....They never, ever stop. You must do it, for everyone's sake. Before the fleas breed.
10/26/07 @ 3:32 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
Mike, that you? Find the gun yet?
10/26/07 @ 3:36 pm
bostonian [Member] writes:
Jeff, I will write very slowly for you...W-H-A-T I-S T-H-E T-I-T-L-E O-F T-H-I-S A-R-T-I-C-L-E?
10/26/07 @ 3:51 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey Jeff,

Looks like the natives are getting restless...maybe they are worried....and they should be!
10/26/07 @ 4:19 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
nonewshere...Don't know if you are new here, but for real hatred, you need to read the comments people make against crusader and myself.And now Jeff i geuss too. That's real hatred, and it moved beyond hatred into something much worse when someone alluded to pedophilia.
In fact, maybe some of you should be moving on to other web-sites who share in your "religion". And you can take it from there about which "religion" i'm reffering to.
10/26/07 @ 4:27 pm
exlibris [Member] writes:
Editors/CCToday:

When is enough enough? I respectfully request removing the Blanchard dementia.

If you want to be a viable news source.

Blanchard, and his two crazy followers (with their Manson-like devotion) bitter and crusader, are a serious hindrance to any reputable service.

'crusader (registered user) writes: Your low tide is stinking up the place so bad, we can all smell it miles away.'

Your website has become this demented trio's place for their never-ending conspiracies, obsessions, and hate.

What is their objective besides ruining your website?

What is your objective for your site?

A readable, cc, at least somewhat family-oriented, credible news source?

Anything as awful as these three surely must go.
10/26/07 @ 4:50 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
NOTE TO CRUSADER:

Read the commenting rules. They are simple. You are not allowed to add web addresses.

All comments with web addresses will be deleted.

The editors
10/26/07 @ 4:51 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"Are the citizens of "outer Cape" special? With all of the shenanigans going on lately it seems so."

One local who seems to know the deal....
10/26/07 @ 5:04 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
it's all the same folks....people in LE and up and down the line feel we should be footing their bills and then some.....ask the DA where is the report on the stolen guns....where is exhibit A of Annie's gun....where are the blue and white fibers?....when is the jury hearing....or hearing of juror RH?...about her tiny bag of weed...and inspection stickers from MRO (dealer left in her car)....why not go after the big drug dealers, informants, and cover up keystone cops....how do you sleep at night knowing you still have a killer on the loose....
10/26/07 @ 5:19 pm
sophia [Member] writes:
'bostonian writes:
Jeff, I will write very slowly for you...W-H-A-T I-S T-H-E T-I-T-L-E O-F T-H-I-S A-R-T-I-C-L-E?'
Add his two 'manson-devotees.' haha!
Newstip: Start your own blog called the paranoid-schizophrenics club. Motto: We have no clue and we're proud of it!'
With the never-ending rant, of course, that we all suck, and they are, mmmm, RIGHT!
Fine print: only three members allowed.
10/26/07 @ 5:33 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
crusader,

You go girl! Who killed Lincoln? Did we really land a man on the move? Is Paris Hilton a real blonde? Who shot JR? What weights more, a pound of feathers or a pound of rocks? Who is really buried in the tomb of the unknow soldier? Who really killed Ron and Nicole? Is the moon made of swiss cheese? Why do they call it Jumbo Shrimp? Which came first the chicken or the egg?
10/26/07 @ 5:35 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
"looks like the site has been infiltrated by the otherside"

Yes crusader, normal people:)
10/26/07 @ 6:12 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
water is boiling, eh, C?
10/26/07 @ 6:33 pm
capemom [Member] writes:
Rumor has it Crusader aka "Squeaky" and bittersweet recently dropped acid and carved swastikas into their foreheads at the behest of Jeff, who is considering starting a new blog called "Death to Pigs."

Naw, they're just harmless kooks who think cops are worse than other people.

And some of them are. I don't think cops are better than other people, they're just people.

And crusader thinks there is a vast conspiracy among the law enforcement officials down here in quahog country.

Crusader is exalting them--the few local cops I have met have been very personable and adorable, just lambs. Who can be tough when they need to be.

And are sickened and horrified by things like CW's murder and who wouldn't think of doing anything but putting the murderer behind bars, which they did.
10/26/07 @ 7:12 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
They are not just people. They hold our liberties and our rights in their hands.
And they have A LOT of power. And maybe you haven't heard this statement before, but power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely.Especially when it's allowed to run rampant with no oversight like it is here! So, when a police chief doesn't have to answer for a missing $10,000, what do you call that? When a state trooper is allowed to lie on the witness stand with no repurcussions, what do you call that?
And everybody should be sickened and horrified by what happened to CW, and just as sickened and horrified by what they did to CM.
BTW, all you big babies, i'm sure you can't stand Noam Chomsky either, but he did say this; "If we don't believe in the freedom of speech for those we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
We are still in America, are we not?
The first amendment is just that...first!! And most important.
10/26/07 @ 7:20 pm
usgju [Member] writes:
'sophia (registered user) writes:

'bostonian writes:

Jeff, I will write very slowly for you...W-H-A-T I-S T-H-E T-I-T-L-E O-F T-H-I-S A-R-T-I-C-L-E?'

Add his two 'manson-devotees.' haha!
Newstip: Start your own blog called the paranoid-schizophrenics club. Motto: We have no clue and we're proud of it!'
With the never-ending rant, of course, that we all suck, and they are, mmmm, RIGHT!
Fine print: only three members allowed.'

Editors/CCtoday, guess you have better things to do than to run a news-site?

You cannot see that this is a problem?

DUMP BLANCHARD AND HIS TWO MANSONITES.

Before they really cause trouble.
10/26/07 @ 7:42 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
That sounds like a threat usgju.
So, someone else can speak for me then;
"Some things you must always be unable to bear. Some things you must never stop refusing to bear. Injustice and outrage and dishonor and shame. No matter how young you are or how old you have got. Not for kudos and not for cash, your picture in the paper nor money in the bank, neither. Just refuse to bear them."--William Faulkner
Thak God for old-time America. Too bad there's not much left of it.
10/26/07 @ 8:02 pm
cape07 [Member] writes:
Jack, thank you for this Op-Ed piece. Please thank Dr. Lynch, also. Please post more pieces about the FACTS of the impact a reservation would have on already crime-ridden-reknowned Cape Cod: there is a plethora of information out there, even if you haven't lived it/seen it first hand. Also, please post more pieces on not just a cape verdean/portuguese reservation in Mashpee, which this clam has achieved through brutality and force, but also, how is a reservation and casinos, thanks to UckGlennMarshall, et al., and cadillacman going to effect non-fraudulent, hard-working taxpayers who are not on welfare or foodstamps? Remember, the clams are now tax-exempt; we are not. And it is a clam, not a tribe. Every Native knows this.
10/26/07 @ 8:22 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
good one, c-mom...my college buddy dave berman has the copyright on that awful phrase, or should...no, death to no one, c-mom, not even redheads...that's been the point all along...our society seems to cheapen life at every opportunity...and it seems to me the best thing I can do is find out the who, what, where, when, why and how of it at every turn, not just for me and mine, but even those who say it is a fool's errand...my fight ain't with them (or you)...my fight's with the powers that be...the Bushes, the Kennedys, their spokesmen and the sychophants who skate along on the thick ice of a new world order...a world in which questioning authority strikes some people as crazy...and so it is...crazy fun...and I pinch myself every day that no one else on Cape Cod is crazy enough, for example, to ask the police what they know about the district attorney's stolen guns, to ask them who killed the women in New Bedford, what happened to the evidence in Truro, or whatever else they might be trying to bury that day...someone ought to dig this stuff up, no?
10/26/07 @ 8:35 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
oh my, quick change of clothes in phone booth give you courage?
10/26/07 @ 9:54 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Whew, that's some news bitters! Good thing we got you here!!
10/27/07 @ 1:14 am
nonewshere [Member] writes:
'crusader writes: Hey Jeff,
Looks like the natives are getting restless...maybe they are worried....and they should be!'

Worried about the Manson 3? Absolutely.

Editors of CCToday, fleas, like rats, breed, and become more than a nuisance, pestilance and disease.

Crusader, you wouldn't know the truth, or a true Native, if it beaned you off your forehead, or off this site; which the editors should do.

Manson 3, W-H-A-T I-S T-H-E T-I-T-L-E O-F T-H-I-S A-R-T-I-C-L-E?

Rant your dementia elsewhere.
10/27/07 @ 8:26 pm
capemom [Member] writes:
bitter--you're absolutely right, it is a very fair question to ask the Truro Chief of police where the $10K of taxpayer's money is.

And to question whether retired police chief Jim Erhart in Brewster is getting an overly fat retirement package courtesy of the boy's network in Brewster.

These are both cases of people with a little bit of power overspending taxpayer's money. This happens in all forms and levels of government every minute of the day. And we the voters are to blame for allowing it to happen.

But to accuse the district attorney and local cops of covering up a murder, dealing drugs, and generally being in cahoots with Satan is laughable.
10/27/07 @ 8:46 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
You never met Orleans detective Dave Hagstrom, then, Capemom, he didn't leave just short of 20 years because he wanted to...and as for DA's covering up murders...you never met Ron Pina, who was the DA in New Bedford when 11 women were slaughtered, several of them his women of the night, one of whom was his coke dealer. I'd say you should call his wife Sheila Pina, but they have her in a witness protection program somewhere, which is quite a tumble from being the head of tourism for southeastern Massachusetts for 18 years...I'd go on, but it is so not laughable
10/27/07 @ 10:01 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Jeff,

Could you make those statements about Pina (the coke dealer and several of them his women) if you were working for a newspaper? In other words, can you back up these charges? What info do you have? Also, regarding O'Keefe, have you confirmed that the gus wasn't registered or had no serial number? You did make those charges, I'd like to see some facts being reported here.
10/27/07 @ 10:01 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
gun sp
10/27/07 @ 10:42 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Maybe you forgot...I never will. A person on this blog suggested that my little grand-child went to Walpole Prison and "diddled" Chris McCowen. That is pedophilia. Hence the reference to Satanism.
And the really vicious personal attacks against people simply because they question the authorities is puzzling as well. Why the hatred? Hence the reference to Satanism. You surely wouldn't call that God-like behavior, would you? I mean, who loses it so much because someone asks a question?
They are too damned defensive, and it doesn't make sense.
If I knew how to clip statements out of context like the rest of you do, I'd show you.
10/27/07 @ 10:52 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
Find me the newspaper and I could. Or ask him yourself. His law office is New Bedford. As far as I know, I'm the only one who ever has asked him about this. Current DA Sam Sutter and US Attorney/Boston Mike Sullivan would ask him, but they already know the answers. As for O'Keefe, let's see, 10 months pass before he confesses publicly, if obliquely, and only after it was exposed here, that he was the victim of a crime, two crimes, including the theft of at least one weapon, a theft which by law must be reported, and not with disappearing ink. Not to be rude, but you figure it out. Jeez. Why would anyone give two humidified baseballs what I think about anything when the newspaper you read everyday should be the place to find these answers, or the TV you watch, or the radio you listen to. Really. It's a shame I do have all this time on my hands to gather up all this info. But it is what it is, and staying home can be good, too.
10/27/07 @ 11:17 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
Buzz,
10/27/07 @ 11:31 pm
Jeff [Member] writes:
Okay, Rockies rally done...let's get back to the Four Mikes; there's O'Keefe, the top law enforcement officer on Cape Cod, ATF&E Director Michael Sullivan, the top law enforcement officer in the commonwealth (and a friend of MO's), Michael Bondarek, the Sandwich Police Officer who doubles as the head of security for the Ridge Club, and Michael Miller, the Sandwich Police Chief....and if you subscribe to the notion than any one of them has an honest bone in his body, 10 months would not have passed before you learned here that O'Keefe was robbed, twice, including his unenumerated, belatedly celebrated arsenal. Ah, life in a gated community surrounded by others of your ilk; go to the Ridge Club website and see what kind of place this is..."Belong," it beckons, "belong" to a place where everybody knows your caliber.
10/28/07 @ 12:02 am
spencer [Member] writes:
'Are members of the Mashpeed or Aquinnah required to prove that they are descended from ancestors listed on an 1880 census using birth, death, and marriage certificates?

What percent bloodline is required? One-eighth?

If a person/member has any type of criminal and/or drug history, are they removed from 'enrollment'?

How much money would each clam receive from casino profits?

Many of us are as desperate as they are to get on that gravy train and have that free-pass, get-out-of-jail free, wamp-card-in-wallet.'

Manson Trio: Read the title of this article. Oh, forgot, you can't read or write.
10/28/07 @ 12:14 am
Jeff [Member] writes:
and if you want to play along, and not just fight with what you see here, go to the registry of deeds website, where you can see that on Oct. 15, a bank decided Mike's new crime spot was nice enough to give him a $624,000 "loan," go the the state corporate filings website, where you can see who owns the Ridge Club, then go to the Grill 16 filing and see who owned that, then go to the campaign finance website and see where Mike used his campaign credit card for so many dinners it's a wonder he bothered having his kitchen renovated...it's really all very easy once you get into the habit, actually it's kind of addictive...but then, he works in a courtroom two flights up from the incinerator in which Mary Jo Kopechne's clothes were ignitied with lighter fluid and burned to a crisp, so why should any of this come as a surprise to anyone who isn't blinded by fealty to those who with powers of arrest.
10/28/07 @ 12:17 am
Jeff [Member] writes:
I say give each clam as much as they can handle...
10/28/07 @ 12:19 am
nonewshere [Member] writes:
Editors:
What is the problem?
What in the world could this person possibly be on/taking?
This is not funny.
No, Jeff, Manson, I do not want to 'play along.'
No one does, except for your demented duo.
Some of us actually would appreciate news-worthy comments.
Most, probably all of us, ignore the Manson 3's comments.
CCToday, get rid of this idiot.
10/28/07 @ 12:39 am
Jeff [Member] writes:
g night, mike
10/28/07 @ 7:11 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
No, it's not funny at all....that is the point!
Some of Your "Good Guys" aint so good. When are you going to see that? So maybe it can stop.
Once again I'll use the same logic on you that is always put to us "little people"; If you've got nothing to hide, what's the problem?
10/28/07 @ 10:13 pm
spencer [Member] writes:
Are members of the Mashpeed or Aquinnah required to prove that they are descended from ancestors listed on an 1880 census using birth, death, and marriage certificates?

What percent bloodline is required? One-eighth?

If a person/member has any type of criminal and/or drug history, are they removed from 'enrollment'?

How much money would each clam receive from casino profits?

Many of us are as desperate as they are to get on that gravy train and have that free-pass, get-out-of-jail free, wamp-card-in-wallet.

Manson Trio: Read the title of this article. Oh, forgot, you can't read or write.
10/29/07 @ 11:58 am
fakepearls [Member] writes:
Is still the best line, from a CCToday local humor article, when anyone with half a brain was anticipating another Mashpee-CapeVerdean-Portuguese fraud scheme, this new one now known appropriately as the WampGate scandal...

'What's with this 'we' sh*t, paleface?'

Here's a new rumor of one of the new schemes: fake 'wamp-card-in wallet' cards' to get on that gravy train.

Before we all get screwed out of this sweet deal, all aboard!
10/29/07 @ 1:47 pm
erdrich [Member] writes:
The Northeast Algonquin-speaking tribes, and the Iroquois, both encompassed from as far as western Canada to the southern atlantic.

Exact connections between any prehistoric peoples cannot be determined, but they most probably migrated from the south.

Wars between the Algonquin and Iroquois bands were unending.

Tribal/band terrorities were always vague and changing.

The Iroquois played a huge part in defeating the Wampanoag and other Algonquin bands of whatever territory they were claiming as theirs.

In a vast collection of Native history and ethnology, there is little to no evidence of 'peaceful,' 'sovereign,' native bands.

Just politics as usual.

Who taught whom?
The Puritans stated in historical documents that the Natives taught them the native ways of warfare.
10/29/07 @ 3:28 pm
minerva [Member] writes:
I would like very much to see where Puritans stated that native taught them ways of warfare. If you're referring to Benjamin Church, you may have a case but the jury is still out on that one as his hyper inflated tales of valour and honour were written by his son Thomas, and recorded when Ben was well in his dotage.

However, the recorded English accounts of native "warfare", such as William Wood's account and Roger Williams' account say there was no large epic slaughter tactics ala England and France here. The English colonizers fought in line formation. Many of the Puritan militia of the Bay Colony cut their teeth during the colonization of Ireland, where people fought much like the Natives here, using the land to their advantage. When this tactic thwarted the English..they resorted to scorched earth tactics, burning Irish villages. Fast Forward to 1632 when Pequot warriors were waiting to engage the Bay Colony troops, the Christian, Godly Bay Colony decided to attack and burn their village settlement instead.
10/29/07 @ 3:40 pm
eddie [Member] writes:
minerva, your name and comment make you seem hyper-anal-retentive. almost hysterical re any point you may hope to be making. do far more research. and it is no one in particular's case, unless like you, you are one of the insular-immobile. is prehistoric history...duh.
10/29/07 @ 3:49 pm
erdrich [Member] writes:
I stand corrected. It wasn't just the Puritans. It was the English, French, Danish, Scots,.... They all documented how the Natives were treacherous against each other, and how they were taught/learnt their ways.
The Iroquois and Algonquin were at war.
All over North America.
Get a grip.
10/29/07 @ 3:53 pm
eddie [Member] writes:
minerva, at least you have some thought process. anything's better than the Manson3. :)
10/29/07 @ 4:22 pm
blackfeetca [Member] writes:
The Blackfeet in ca. (Blackfoot in u.s.) and the Huron, who were Algonquin and the more peaceful tribe, and the Mohawk, who were among the most warrior-like of all the Iroquois bands, fought for terrority, although the Iroquois were by far the most blood-thirsty. Stop blaming Europeans and do some research, and not just on the romanticism of Native america. The Iroquois were not a peaceful people and did their best to stomp out the Algonquin, however simplified this may seem. To this day, there are pure-blood Mohawks and Hurons in Canada, and even Micmacs in Maine. Living in poverty BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO LIVE SEGREGATED. Interbreeds, who know their genealogy and history, and who understand prehistoric global migration, choose to accept 10's of thousands of years of migration, and that no one has a claim to absolute sovreignty.
If the cape-verdean desire segregation and a rez, let them have it, and live in poverty. The corruption and ignorance and greed of this band is atrocious.
And honest non-gambling tax-payers will have to pay for their hate.
10/29/07 @ 4:44 pm
blackfeetca [Member] writes:
minerva, you might want to do some research at the French- and American-speaking universities in Northeast Canada. Much more useful and informative than the U.S. They kept far better records. Some is now available for free online. Line-formation tactics went out in the late 1600's. Ask/research either side of my people.
10/29/07 @ 5:13 pm
minerva [Member] writes:
Yes, the Huron, the Iroquois and the MicMaq were war-like. I'm talking southern New England, baby...they were still being raided by the Mohawk, even after Big Puritan Brother came over. These are the folks described as peaceful by Williams and Wood and others. Come on, do your research too.
English Colonials/Puritans may have eventually learned to use native tactics in warfare but the Puritans, as Ehrdrich originally identified, did not learn fighting tactics from the Natives...no way, no how. And Eddie, darlin', just because I cited names like Williams and Wood, doesn't make me anal hyper retentive...good heavens. Blackfeetca...everyone I'm sure fought for territory..it wasn't Disney on Ice: Land of Shimmering Peace...I mean, what's up with Atoharo and snakes on the head? Creepy. I would never, never claim the Iroqois were peaceful. I'm talking about eastern woodlands. And I'll blame Europeans for drinking bleeding Watney's Red Barrel, marching up and down, forming human pyramids..sorry went Python.
10/29/07 @ 5:22 pm
minerva [Member] writes:
Yes Blackfeetca, the late 1600's, all the events I was citing are before that: Pequot Massacre, "King Philip's War", of course the poor conscripted English settlers were going to learn from past mistakes and do away with line formation tactics after they had "won." I never said they used line formation tactics after this.
10/29/07 @ 5:28 pm
minerva [Member] writes:
Also, I have this thought process too, Eddie, which I had to struggle through with lots of Mucilex (anal retention, whew, painful)..weren't most of the new McMansions built on the Cape funded by those who profited from the Big Dig... Us in A Huge Hole? Don't we have to pay for that major blunder forever and ever amen? How come no one vents at that? How come no one vents that those huge McMansions use up resources like water?
10/29/07 @ 5:31 pm
ewwww [Member] writes:
Wrong, idiot minerva (and btw, if you're going to use the mythological minerva, at least have half the brains to know what it means).

And do not ever call anyone baby you awful creton-dolt. Disgusting. You are as creepy and gross as the Cape Verdean, and have absolutely no clue whatsoever, mmmm, about anything.

Iroquois are not Huron or Micmac. So I just ignored the rest of your idiocy.

Just get off this article, since you are completely brain-dead.

No real news or comments re Dr. Lynch's article, Editors of CCToday.

CCToday is getting out-of-hand re the creepy, non-intelligence, no-education factor.

Uck, aol and their perverts' comments went out-of-style 10 years ago.

Myspace went pervert.

Now it's facepage, or something.

Craigslist, as gross as you can get.

Editors of CCToday, make up your mind.
10/29/07 @ 5:47 pm
ewwww [Member] writes:
minerva, mucilex, whatever your oh the huge problem is, (hey, maybe that stogie will help your anger-management and stupidity problem, eh?), join up with the Mason3, you are as bitter as bitter, you fraud. keep on gambling, bingo at dino's, that should help. too bad, eh, with a new fake wamp-card-in-wallet you'd have had it made, eh? and you ask why everything you do s$$ks.
10/29/07 @ 6:00 pm
nonewshere [Member] writes:
yes, mucilex to answer your question: 'weren't most of the new McMansions built on the Cape funded by those who profited from the Big Dig'?
of course, all of us who worked on the big dig built huge mcmansions on cc, just to spite you.
it's all been a huge conspiracy against you.
are you sure you're not one of the paranoid-schizophrenic manson3 who blocks any sensible news-worthy comments on this website?
10/29/07 @ 6:10 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
ewww...your comment " CCToday is getting out-of-hand re the creepy, non-intelligence, no-education factor. "

What are your expectations ewwww? This site is all about selling advertising.

They brought in the "Magician" for traffic until advertisers complained.

Get a grip. This is journalism geared for National Enquirer readers. And I agree " If it sells publish it ".

If you want the truth visit Cape Cod Living.com.
10/29/07 @ 6:31 pm
minerva [Member] writes:
Gee Ewww,
I thought I was bringing up historical issues relevant to THE TOPIC. And I didn't say the MicMaq, Huron and Iroquois were the same you festering bag of gas. There, how do you like some venom, worm? Is that how you want to correspond, bring it to the low, low levels where your oozing, pustulant brood devours its young?
Or how 'bout some real exchanges on relevant topics using nice big words or can you not do that? Give me one historic issue relevant to the topic that you can back up, you bitter biter of bogusness. And, sorry noneswhere, did I strike too close to home? You did work on the Big Dig? Did you dig up Ewww while you were down there. And, unlike the high stakes gamblers who risked our wallets on the Big Dig...I've never even been to a casino.
10/29/07 @ 7:08 pm
skye [Member] writes:
Dear Editors/CCToday:

It is probable you know who is doing this to your website. It is now truly frightening:

'minerva (registered user) writes:
I thought I was bringing up historical issues relevant to THE TOPIC. And I didn't say the MicMaq, Huron and Iroquois were the same you festering bag of gas. There, how do you like some venom, worm? Is that how you want to correspond, bring it to the low, low levels where your oozing, pustulant brood devours its young?
Or how 'bout some real exchanges on relevant topics using nice big words or can you not do that? Give me one historic issue relevant to the topic that you can back up, you bitter biter of bogusness. And, sorry noneswhere, did I strike too close to home? You did work on the Big Dig? Did you dig up Ewww while you were down there. And, unlike the high stakes gamblers who risked our wallets on the Big Dig...I've never even been to a casino.'

'maverick (registered user) writes:
This site is all about selling advertising. They brought in the "Magician" for traffic until advertisers complained.'

STOP!!!
10/29/07 @ 7:58 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Skye...STOP!!!...WHAT!!!

Are you related to the "Magician"? Or are you a member of Clean Power Now?

I don't write this crap. Just comment.

Get a life.
10/29/07 @ 8:08 pm
skye [Member] writes:
I don't write this crap. Just comment.
haha
10/29/07 @ 8:23 pm
sophia [Member] writes:
skye, don't take their hate to heart. read the 'cape village voice' (as close as you're going to get to artsy/fartsy 'greenwich village' down here). it's a solid print/online journalistic endeavor.
for news, always the bbc.
mav, you may be right, except for the ccliving.com.
how to comfort a girl.
10/29/07 @ 9:18 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
sophia...take comfort as I have no hate.
Just innocent thoughts and feelings. As does CCT and it's readers and contributors.

That's what makes the Cape go round. I hope!
10/30/07 @ 6:42 pm
no_rez_on_cc [Member] writes:
'Gov. Patrick’s legislation, which is soon to be debated in the state Legislature, gives preference to federally recognized Native American tribes in Massachusetts, which both the Mashpee tribe and Aquinnah tribe are.

The governor has not said what specifically that means or whether the same preference will be given to two tribes in competition with one another.

'All of the Middleborough land included in the tribe’s application to establish a reservation with the federal government is now in the hands of the tribal council’s investors.'

Follow the (pertinent) threads.

Natives have always warred against each other, long before 'whitey' arrived.

Competition.

Natives are, and always have been, as American as Donald Trump.
12/04/07 @ 5:26 pm
heidiho [Member] writes:
In regards to the supposed C.V. for James P. Lynch posted above and the comment that he has a doctorate. Not True. Note the "(abd.)" after the alleged Ph.D. that means "abandoned" or "all but degree" meaning he does not have a doctorate and should not be called Doctor Lynch. This was confirmed by the Registrar at the University of Connecticut. Reasons for failign to complete the degree are many, failure to defend, or write, a dissertation, academic dishonesty, or any other type of problem. But, the point is he should nto be claiming to have a Ph.D., he doesn't. He is not entitled to any use of the term Ph.D. other than saying he was a candidate for a degree.
04/22/08 @ 10:37 am
Peter Kenney [Member] writes:
The thrust of Lynch's work is bogus. If these people are not Indian, what are they? And if they are Indian, it is for them to declare their tribal organization, not the non-Indian.White colonists crushed their native culture, denied their customary and historic ability to travel freely over the land they had occupied for thousands of years, outlawed their religion and language, and in Massachusetts made it a crime to teach an Indian to read and write.

The chaos within the tribal government of the Mashpee Wampanoags is a product of combined forces; the greed and darkness that can stain any soul, white or red, the greed and corruption that is being injected into their tribe by outsiders with a proven record of not dealing fairly with their Indian "partners" and simple human nature. The fact that a convicted felon headed the tribal council after he carefully orchestrated a subversion of tribal law and the fact that neither the Mass. AG or the U.S. Dept. of Justice has laid a glove on him does not help.

Let's all grow up!
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