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Bookstore Ordered to Reduce Seating to 95 Seats
08/14/08 · 5:53 am :: posted by Peter Robbins
Wellfleet's Health Department's Patience Ends With Bookstore Restaurant
Cease and Desist order ends ten years of evasions by popular watering hole
Story & Photographs by Peter Robbins
Delays, new septic designs, studies, contingencies based on availability of town water, more delays, Department of Environmental Protection continuances, and more delays. That all came to and end with a Cease and Desist order from the Town of Wellfleet Health Department, described in a letter to the Bookstore from Health Agent Hillary Greenberg dated August 8, 2008.
Patrons will have to wait a little longer for seats at Wellfleet's popular harborview restaurant now that their usual over 200 seats have been reduced to 95.
AT 5:20 PM on August 7, 2008 Greenberg and her assistant Andrew Petty visited the Bookstore to view the food service and service procedures. An explanation was given to the town representatives that the excess seating were not in service. At 9:00PM that night, there was a return visit by the Wellfleet Health Department.
What the letter said:
" I went back to your establishment and viewed the seating and service procedures again, it was at this time we witnessed most of the seats, inside and outside, upstairs and downstairs were occupied with full service operation. The ramifications of this are extremely severe. Your flow as we calculated it yesterday was 6,405 gallons per day. This is 3,080 gallons per day over your maximum flow allotment. Furthermore, the concept of tavern seats can not be employed at your dining establishment except for the 40 seats in the Bomb Shelter (area) based on the operations viewed yesterday. This being said you are hereby ORDERED , as owner of the property to:
- Cease and desist from all operations at The Bookstore Restaurant in excess of the approved 3325 gallons per day (95 seats) limit by 12:00 PM on August 8, 2008."
Seat count ordered by Board of Water Commissioners
A seat count had been ordered by the Board of Water Commissioners after allowing the Bookstore to tie into town water for a trial period for the month of August as previously reported, 233 seats were identified.
"Hats off to Hillary!"
- unidentified Wellfleetian
The count included, outside patio, 1st floor deck, 2nd floor deck, 1st floor bar, 1st and 2nd floor dining areas, and the Bomb Shelter. This was no surprise seeing the Wellfleet Chamber of Commerce book lists seating for 200. Reference was made to the Bookstore's already failing disposal system. Previous studies indicated that the flow rates were much less than the documented rate calculated by the Health Department. The figures appear to substantiate previous suspicions by many as to why the septic system was in failure, over double the maximum allotment. The test period allowed by the generosity of the Wellfleet Water Commissioners apparently may need some re-thinking.
The Letter went on to say, "Your failure to comply with this order will now result in enforcement action being taken as well as fines issued in accordance with M.G.L. Chapter 40 Section 21D. I truly hope that you see the seriousness in this matter as we spent a great amount of time guiding you through the appropriate process to avoid any unnecessary violations and to ensure that your establishment was open throughout the summer."
"Hats off to Hillary," was a comment made by one Wellfleetian!
Read Hillary Greenberg's letter in its entirety here.
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08/14/08 @ 7:09 am
energizerbunny [Member] writes:
Flush the owners and the crooks of Wellfleet down into their own overworked drain. They are the most arrogant bunch of bafoons ever to pretend to run a business. No one is falling for the strong armed tactics of the little boy and the playing dumb act of the old woman anymore. The town should just take it over and either tear it down or operate thier own eatery the honest and healthy way. Someone should stand in line and explain to the visitors about the hazards lurking inside.
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capedoggie [Member] writes:
Shelli,
Your silence is deafening!!
Maybe you are stiring!!
Your silence is deafening!!
Maybe you are stiring!!
capemom [Member] writes:
Peter: a question--what happens if the Bookstore ignores this request,what are the consequences?
Has the town learned its lesson regarding appeasing violaters? Appeasement never works, it only prolongs the process. I applaud Ms. Greenberg's actions, but this cease and esist should have been served months ago.
The Parlantes have been playing the board of health like a fiddle and making the town look like a chump with their flagrant violations.
Has the town learned its lesson regarding appeasing violaters? Appeasement never works, it only prolongs the process. I applaud Ms. Greenberg's actions, but this cease and esist should have been served months ago.
The Parlantes have been playing the board of health like a fiddle and making the town look like a chump with their flagrant violations.
Peter Robbins [Member] writes:
The previous ability to keep a record of water usage was not as accurate as the town supply from what I understand. Tieing in to town water may have addressed the quality issue based on the failing septic but may have been a double edged sword for the Bookstore. Now there is an accuarte accounting of usage. The usage far exceeds the formula based on 95 seats hence the failing system. I feel the town will not allow any more violations as the water commissioners appear to be very serious. Everyone worked with the Bookstore to help them, I think they feel a little betrayed.
capemom [Member] writes:
Peter, what does the town "not allowing" look like? I'm just trying to understand this, I don't know. Does the town bar the doors shut? Does someone get arrested?
Peter Robbins [Member] writes:
The Town has pretty broad powers with respect to actions it can take. As far as the legal process the jurisdiction for this is summarized in MGL Chapter 40 Section 21D. You can Google that section of the MGL.
cw rice [Member] writes:
MGL C. 40, §21D provides authority for a Board to issue fines for non-criminal disposition of violations, that are adjudicated by the district court.
However if the BOH determines that continued occupation of a building by individuals constitutes a nuisance —an immediate and dangerous public health situation, the BOS has the power to condemn the building until the public safety/heath situation is fixed. (NUISANCES: Chapter 111: Section 127B. Dwellings unfit for human habitation; order to vacate or to abate nuisance; …)
Since this property is under a DEP order as well, DEP has similar powers as well to close the building until the health risk is abated.
I would suspect that continued operation with a capacity greater than 95 seats at any time would present an alleged public nuisance. It provide grounds for the local BOH and or DEP to act.
Title V (310 CMR 15.000) § 15.203 sets a flow of 35 GPD/seat (95 seats) =3,325 GPD flow rate, I hope that the grease trap is also sized at least for 1,425 GPD flows as well (15 GPD/seat (95)) §15.230
However if the BOH determines that continued occupation of a building by individuals constitutes a nuisance —an immediate and dangerous public health situation, the BOS has the power to condemn the building until the public safety/heath situation is fixed. (NUISANCES: Chapter 111: Section 127B. Dwellings unfit for human habitation; order to vacate or to abate nuisance; …)
Since this property is under a DEP order as well, DEP has similar powers as well to close the building until the health risk is abated.
I would suspect that continued operation with a capacity greater than 95 seats at any time would present an alleged public nuisance. It provide grounds for the local BOH and or DEP to act.
Title V (310 CMR 15.000) § 15.203 sets a flow of 35 GPD/seat (95 seats) =3,325 GPD flow rate, I hope that the grease trap is also sized at least for 1,425 GPD flows as well (15 GPD/seat (95)) §15.230
energizerbunny [Member] writes:
I'm sure that once the steady flow of traffic in and out of the building slows down and the leaves change color and the pace of the lower cape slows down...and all the $ has left town then they'll listen to the concerns of the town and it's residents....
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Once AGAIN, Mr. Robbin's "facts 'n figures" are WRONG. Im afraid ANOTHER pathetic apology isnt going to cut it this time. Are you going to own up to this yourself, Mr. Robbins? Or are you going to throw your "source" under the bus? Which is it going to be?
People: this is a BLOG - it is NOT factual journalism or reporting. IF you choose to let yourselves get all jammed up over the out right lies and twisted stories from this BLOG, then prepare to look pretty foolish when the TRUE facts of this matter come out. Also, please know that the blog writers all have their "nasty nics" that they use to GET YOU PEOPLE all jammed up. Dont be suckers, blind sheep or puppets for this BLOG writer. Talk about being "betrayed"...give me a break.
People: this is a BLOG - it is NOT factual journalism or reporting. IF you choose to let yourselves get all jammed up over the out right lies and twisted stories from this BLOG, then prepare to look pretty foolish when the TRUE facts of this matter come out. Also, please know that the blog writers all have their "nasty nics" that they use to GET YOU PEOPLE all jammed up. Dont be suckers, blind sheep or puppets for this BLOG writer. Talk about being "betrayed"...give me a break.
capedoggie [Member] writes:
shelli,
Thank God you surfaced. I went to Luke's thinking maybe you had gotten caught in the water meter. I know that on July 29th, you were sure that the folks at the "place" were complying. Now here we are two short weeks later and everybody is shocked to learn that you guys were not in fact playing by,rather playing with, the rules. Who ever would have thunk that a shi- stirer would cause all this commotion.I'll bet a bottle of Merlot that you are right. NOT!!!!
Let's do Luke's tomorrow and chat again.
Thinking of you,
Dog
Thank God you surfaced. I went to Luke's thinking maybe you had gotten caught in the water meter. I know that on July 29th, you were sure that the folks at the "place" were complying. Now here we are two short weeks later and everybody is shocked to learn that you guys were not in fact playing by,rather playing with, the rules. Who ever would have thunk that a shi- stirer would cause all this commotion.I'll bet a bottle of Merlot that you are right. NOT!!!!
Let's do Luke's tomorrow and chat again.
Thinking of you,
Dog
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
If "everybody" is shocked its because they choose to get their news from this BLOG. THIS AINT NEWS, FOLKS. Anyone with half a brain knows that BLOGS are just places for people to RANT and give their opinions. Maybe if you spent less time at Luke's, you might see that too! Try it!
cw rice [Member] writes:
Some math: Title V (310 CMR 15.000) in section 305 CMR 15.203 sets design criteria, for restaurants eat in, 35 gallons per day flow per seat is the design factor.
The Water Commissions determined that there were 233 seats in all locations = 8,155 GPD design flows.
The BOH has determined that the present sanitary system is only for 3,325 GPD (or 95 seats).
The letter indicates that at the time of the second visit on the 7th that ~183 seats were in use (6,405 GPD flow).
It boggles the mind to understand why there was not a sign in a prominent location advising all that the lawful capacity at any time is 95 seats (95 persons) plus approbate staff to serve that limit. As part of the BOH orders, that limited seating to 95 seats.
The Water Commissions determined that there were 233 seats in all locations = 8,155 GPD design flows.
The BOH has determined that the present sanitary system is only for 3,325 GPD (or 95 seats).
The letter indicates that at the time of the second visit on the 7th that ~183 seats were in use (6,405 GPD flow).
It boggles the mind to understand why there was not a sign in a prominent location advising all that the lawful capacity at any time is 95 seats (95 persons) plus approbate staff to serve that limit. As part of the BOH orders, that limited seating to 95 seats.
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Clammer,
You are absolutely right!! People with half brains rant and give their opinions. It just that you seem to think that your's are right on the money.
As for Luke's, It's only for medicinal purposes. What is the reason for your nonsensical thoughts?? Stay in touch. You still are an easy mark.
Now let's get drinking!!
Doggie
You are absolutely right!! People with half brains rant and give their opinions. It just that you seem to think that your's are right on the money.
As for Luke's, It's only for medicinal purposes. What is the reason for your nonsensical thoughts?? Stay in touch. You still are an easy mark.
Now let's get drinking!!
Doggie
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
NOw comon Dog, what good would having an opinion be if you didnt believe it was RIGHT? Next time, post BEFORE you start drinkin..ok?
capedoggie [Member] writes:
shalli,
Only joking on the drinking. I've been working on a fat one for about an hour!!It's much better than booze, especially when I have to get the school bus back to P-town before dark. They will not be happy with the "Dog" if I have booze on my breath.
Do you drink, or is it another condition??
Have a grate day!!
Only joking on the drinking. I've been working on a fat one for about an hour!!It's much better than booze, especially when I have to get the school bus back to P-town before dark. They will not be happy with the "Dog" if I have booze on my breath.
Do you drink, or is it another condition??
Have a grate day!!
cw rice [Member] writes:
clamshlli: Perhaps you could enlighten us, as to what facts are incorrect? The quotes from the BOH letter seem pretty factual, unless they have been taken severally out of context, which I doubt. Perhaps the 8 Aug. BOH letter could be posted for accuracy?
I believe it is indefensible that at times over the summer well over 95 seats have been in use, which would seem to be in defiance of the BOH's order. If that is not the case provide the facts that dispute it.
Remember even if a 96th seat is in use it is a violation, a non compliance matter.
A better use of your efforts might be applied to solutions not denial.
I believe it is indefensible that at times over the summer well over 95 seats have been in use, which would seem to be in defiance of the BOH's order. If that is not the case provide the facts that dispute it.
Remember even if a 96th seat is in use it is a violation, a non compliance matter.
A better use of your efforts might be applied to solutions not denial.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
The Bookstore is using LESS than the 3k gallons daily...and some days less than HALF that. But if you insist on getting your facts from this blog...then there's some more for ya. Hey listen, this writer TOLD you that the Pearl was RUN OUT OF TOWN by the Bookstore and YOU BELIEVED IT. Even though we all had to go to TOWN MEETING to vote to change the BYLAW that stopped the Pearl from being a restaurant...Remember that??? And now you want to continue to believe this blog writers crap with his personal vendetta against the Bookstore Restaurant. He lost some money in his investment with the Pearl....NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BOOKSTORE...but he has to blame someone for his own stupidity. Now if you want to continue to believe his slanted stories and OUT RIGHT lies...go ahead. Its all going to come out in the end.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Why do you doubt this blog writer taking anything out of context? Hes done it to you all along. Again, its your choice. I get my facts from reliable sources - not from a blog writer with a grudge.
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Schelli,
"It's all coming out in the end". Not a good choice of words for this arena. Tell us which days those are. January 12, or February 9, or just when?? As an admitted fan of Mrs P, but just because "she is kind", how is it that you are privy to this information and do you have a meter on your well??
Just wondering.
As always,
"It's all coming out in the end". Not a good choice of words for this arena. Tell us which days those are. January 12, or February 9, or just when?? As an admitted fan of Mrs P, but just because "she is kind", how is it that you are privy to this information and do you have a meter on your well??
Just wondering.
As always,
capecod nurse [Member] writes:
Clam: If "everybody" is shocked its because they choose to get their news from this BLOG. THIS AINT NEWS,
And yet nothing stops you from coming back, time after time.
And yet nothing stops you from coming back, time after time.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Doh, I have an opinon too! I dont get my NEWS here, nursey. Do ya get it? yet?
pabell [Member] writes:
I was hired by the village to find their idiot. Clamdoggie return home to your hydrant.
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Sheldon,
Getting a bit testy are we? How about a fat one and a merlot??? Then we won't have to "shaddup" and that's as far as I'm going with Pa Bell on our tale
Cya
Getting a bit testy are we? How about a fat one and a merlot??? Then we won't have to "shaddup" and that's as far as I'm going with Pa Bell on our tale
Cya
capedoggie [Member] writes:
PaBell,
Are you refering to Capeshelli, or Clamdoggie?? Did I meet you at Luke's??
Are you refering to Capeshelli, or Clamdoggie?? Did I meet you at Luke's??
Peter Robbins [Member] writes:
For the non-believers the letter issued to the Bookstore by the board of health describing the actions and facts has just been attached to the bottom of the article.
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Well what do you think of that Ol' Schelly?? I think the correspondence is bogus!!! The author,I'm sure, had some letterhead printed and faked the whole thing. Shelli, you are the absolute best. I'll bet in a prior life, you were the navigator on the Titanic. Well, you are on another ship in distress and holding on to your pride,at the expense of logic. Now, can I have a wine??
CCToday [Member] writes:
clamshelli, it's probably time for you to read the entire letter to the Bookstore from Wellfleet's Health Department which is a clickable link in two place on Mr. Robbins report above.
If you don't believe in the effectiveness of blogs, contact Dan Rather former CBS NEWS head honcho, Mary LeClair of the Cape Cod Commission and more recently, John Edwards former possible Vice President.
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
If you don't believe in the effectiveness of blogs, contact Dan Rather former CBS NEWS head honcho, Mary LeClair of the Cape Cod Commission and more recently, John Edwards former possible Vice President.
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
cw rice [Member] writes:
I'm sorry but unfortunately in Mass. a food establishment has to go by the Title V design requirement for restaurants; eat in at 35 GPD.
Regardless of your actual water flow. There is a very complex and costly procedure to appeal to DEP for a lower design number, that involves certified water meter readings over a period of greater than year along with other documentation.
Until that process is done and a DEP approved waiver is granted, the daily water flow what ever it is out of the picture, the currently approved design flow is what takes precedence. 95 seats.
Regardless of your actual water flow. There is a very complex and costly procedure to appeal to DEP for a lower design number, that involves certified water meter readings over a period of greater than year along with other documentation.
Until that process is done and a DEP approved waiver is granted, the daily water flow what ever it is out of the picture, the currently approved design flow is what takes precedence. 95 seats.
cw rice [Member] writes:
High Noon on the 8th of August has come and gone. (Sounds like a western after all they are in the western part of town.) Are they in compliance now?
That seems to one 'fact' not being offered by those (calmshelli) in the know?
If not why not?
Not knowing the date of the photo in this story, its hard to tell.
That seems to one 'fact' not being offered by those (calmshelli) in the know?
If not why not?
Not knowing the date of the photo in this story, its hard to tell.
crusader [Member] writes:
Shelli,
I'm admiring your strong will against the trolling spitballs. One has to wonder who else was vested in the pearl debacle ...nice to have neighbors and invested friends ...out of context. lol ...sour grapes ...they target who they see as the weaker opponent as always .... Hope your friends get to keep the place.
I'm admiring your strong will against the trolling spitballs. One has to wonder who else was vested in the pearl debacle ...nice to have neighbors and invested friends ...out of context. lol ...sour grapes ...they target who they see as the weaker opponent as always .... Hope your friends get to keep the place.
capewatchdog [Member] writes:
Wow! Haven't been around for a while but if I was Robbins I think I would be sitting back thinking of that movie line "I'm your Huckleberry".
pennyroyal [Member] writes:
Shelli,
I was at the April BOH meeting when the board essentially let the Parlante family know they were done, finished, not going to extend anymore courtesies to them and their engineer and legal counsel convinced the BOH to give them ONE last chance to make the corrections to the plans. They had a special meeting the following week.
So how come they are not doing what they agreed to be doing? I was at the meeting when she (Mrs ) promised they would not operate over capacity. The board expressed much frustration about having their hands tied back then; why does the family restaurant have so many seats and why do they continue to keep serving so many?
I just really want to hear their version, do you know what it is? A lot of people are going to bat for them, and yes I know some employees there too, but why do they seemingly frustrate the heck outta the BOH?
I was at the April BOH meeting when the board essentially let the Parlante family know they were done, finished, not going to extend anymore courtesies to them and their engineer and legal counsel convinced the BOH to give them ONE last chance to make the corrections to the plans. They had a special meeting the following week.
So how come they are not doing what they agreed to be doing? I was at the meeting when she (Mrs ) promised they would not operate over capacity. The board expressed much frustration about having their hands tied back then; why does the family restaurant have so many seats and why do they continue to keep serving so many?
I just really want to hear their version, do you know what it is? A lot of people are going to bat for them, and yes I know some employees there too, but why do they seemingly frustrate the heck outta the BOH?
Peter Robbins [Member] writes:
pennyroyal,
I know its a phrase that is used to often, but I do try to be fair and balanced, Admittedly, I have never met the Parlante's but would welcome the opportunity as I have some other questions that perhaps Michael would only be able to answer. I would welcome that opportunity, and would be happy to report what they have to say. My email is availble through the site, There are two sides to every story, I report what is reported to me and this one is pretty obvious. If you can arrange a meeting with them, I would be happy to attend. They would have to be prepared to answer some pointed questions and I am willing to answer any they may have of me. I have met with others I have written about, but to be honest, am very surprised I have not been contacted by now. See what you or someone else can do, that would even include clamshelli.
PS I wish I had funds that I could invest in a restaurant in Wellfleet, I'm just not in that kind of position,
I know its a phrase that is used to often, but I do try to be fair and balanced, Admittedly, I have never met the Parlante's but would welcome the opportunity as I have some other questions that perhaps Michael would only be able to answer. I would welcome that opportunity, and would be happy to report what they have to say. My email is availble through the site, There are two sides to every story, I report what is reported to me and this one is pretty obvious. If you can arrange a meeting with them, I would be happy to attend. They would have to be prepared to answer some pointed questions and I am willing to answer any they may have of me. I have met with others I have written about, but to be honest, am very surprised I have not been contacted by now. See what you or someone else can do, that would even include clamshelli.
PS I wish I had funds that I could invest in a restaurant in Wellfleet, I'm just not in that kind of position,
crusader [Member] writes:
"Conflict of interest arises when an individual with a formal responsibility to serve the public participates in an activity that jeopardizes his or her professional judgment, objectivity and independence. Often this activity (such as a private business venture) primarily serves personal interests and can potentially influence the objective exercise of the individual's official duties".
cw rice [Member] writes:
The following seem appropriate as to this issue.
“…the policy of the good neighbor - the neighbor who resolutely respects himself and, because he does so, respects the rights of others - the neighbor who respects his obligations and respect”
—Franklin D. Roosevelt
“…the policy of the good neighbor - the neighbor who resolutely respects himself and, because he does so, respects the rights of others - the neighbor who respects his obligations and respect”
—Franklin D. Roosevelt
Buzz [Member] writes:
"Officials have already installed four surveillance cameras around Somerville and there are plans to install at least three more before fall."
Hey cru, are they watching you???
Hey cru, are they watching you???
crusader [Member] writes:
It is improper for an individual to conduct an investigation with objectivity if they are personally acquainted with the conflicting party.
My question to you when this story began Peter--Why not go after every restaurant on the Cape that violates the law regarding misuse of their septic system?
Ask yourselves this:
If the Pearl was not vested in the neighboring property would Peter have dogged? He wouldn't even know the Bookstore Restaurant existed, nor would he give a damn. Right Peter? You say you are not acquainted with the Parlante's ....how about owners of The Pearl?
My question to you when this story began Peter--Why not go after every restaurant on the Cape that violates the law regarding misuse of their septic system?
Ask yourselves this:
If the Pearl was not vested in the neighboring property would Peter have dogged? He wouldn't even know the Bookstore Restaurant existed, nor would he give a damn. Right Peter? You say you are not acquainted with the Parlante's ....how about owners of The Pearl?
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey Buzz,
If Walter allowed swearing...you wouldn't be able to handle what I have to say to you....@ZZ&OLE
If Walter allowed swearing...you wouldn't be able to handle what I have to say to you....@ZZ&OLE
Peter Robbins [Member] writes:
I'm off to a party. A meeting would be great. I have the quesions and the answers, a level playing field, if everyone is willing. Check in tomorrow!
pennyroyal [Member] writes:
cru, I see your point, but I am not aware of other restaurants (or any other businesses) in Wellfleet who have been in violation for so long...longer than this blog or website has been in existence probably for that matter.
What's wrong with competition? If a sitting member of the Wellfleet BOH who happens to own another restaurant in town did not have a problem with the Pearl being in business at that location, why should the Bookstore? Competition is good right?
What's wrong with competition? If a sitting member of the Wellfleet BOH who happens to own another restaurant in town did not have a problem with the Pearl being in business at that location, why should the Bookstore? Competition is good right?
pennyroyal [Member] writes:
Peter, don't get me wrong, I'm sure you try to get both sides of the story...I was just hoping Shelli could shed some light. If you don't report / mention it....I really am of the school of thought that thinks you tried but could not get the other side of the story.
If I can get a hold of the parties that I know work there on your behalf, I will. Their opinion )last time we talked) was one of disbelief (as in what are they = Bookstore owners-doing?!)
I was not at that BOH meeting in support of the Parlante's, I was there for other business. I do not know them personally.
I WAS at the ZBA meeting in February that voted 3-2 against the Pearl.. interesting stuff going on in Wellfleet.
If I can get a hold of the parties that I know work there on your behalf, I will. Their opinion )last time we talked) was one of disbelief (as in what are they = Bookstore owners-doing?!)
I was not at that BOH meeting in support of the Parlante's, I was there for other business. I do not know them personally.
I WAS at the ZBA meeting in February that voted 3-2 against the Pearl.. interesting stuff going on in Wellfleet.
pennyroyal [Member] writes:
Shelli!
Can you hook up Peter with the owners? Get their side posted? You probably have better connections......
Can you hook up Peter with the owners? Get their side posted? You probably have better connections......
crusader [Member] writes:
pennyroyal,
I'm sure clamshelli will respond or maybe she's fed up like a few of us with the "better than thou crowd", but I see the issue this way:
The Parlante's had a good thing going, a sweet location for toursits, & a spot for locals to hangout. I'd been there only a few times, once during the Oyster Fest which I fully enjoyed. Gone are the days when the fun loving artists reigned. I'm sure the 60's & 70's were the very best times the Cape has seen.
The Bookstore went under the hot lamp when The Pearl tried to build next door and failed to get appropriate permits. When they were told to take a hike, they cried foul and here is the aftermath. Now they are sore losers who probably dropped a bundle on a place that slipped through their fingers. Sounds like someone at town hall may have given a verbal okay & maybe saw some $$$ for the town. Whatever happened, clearly it was not handled through proper channels. So now they are determined to see that the Parlante's pay for "their" mistake. That's my opinion. Of course Peter won't tell us, he can't be objective.
I'm sure clamshelli will respond or maybe she's fed up like a few of us with the "better than thou crowd", but I see the issue this way:
The Parlante's had a good thing going, a sweet location for toursits, & a spot for locals to hangout. I'd been there only a few times, once during the Oyster Fest which I fully enjoyed. Gone are the days when the fun loving artists reigned. I'm sure the 60's & 70's were the very best times the Cape has seen.
The Bookstore went under the hot lamp when The Pearl tried to build next door and failed to get appropriate permits. When they were told to take a hike, they cried foul and here is the aftermath. Now they are sore losers who probably dropped a bundle on a place that slipped through their fingers. Sounds like someone at town hall may have given a verbal okay & maybe saw some $$$ for the town. Whatever happened, clearly it was not handled through proper channels. So now they are determined to see that the Parlante's pay for "their" mistake. That's my opinion. Of course Peter won't tell us, he can't be objective.
crusader [Member] writes:
Fact remains:
The Bookstore has been around for years and the owners have donated time and services to the town and its residents. I think the town should help them build whatever is needed to bring the place up to code. If The Pearl has found a new location to hang it's oyster--than so be it--and drop this freakin' story already. Get over it! Lick your wounds and move on. One door closes, another opens.
"Mistakes are the portals of discovery"--James Joyce
The Bookstore has been around for years and the owners have donated time and services to the town and its residents. I think the town should help them build whatever is needed to bring the place up to code. If The Pearl has found a new location to hang it's oyster--than so be it--and drop this freakin' story already. Get over it! Lick your wounds and move on. One door closes, another opens.
"Mistakes are the portals of discovery"--James Joyce
crusader [Member] writes:
penny royal,
I believe in free enterprise not the Cape Cod monopoly. Flemings Donuts is a perfect example of a Cape monopoloy- they put in a bylaw prohibiting Eastam Dunkin Donuts from heating their breakfast foods, have the nerve to not provide sufficient foods for patrons. A friend who worked in that area complained that he found one donut left on the shelf when he wanted a heated blueberry muffin. It was 9 am! Not just one time, frequently! The least they can do is stock up if they won't let the competition beat them. Guess what--tourists will choose D&D anyday. Everyone needs to play by the rules.
Re: Bookstore--I see the town officials being culpable. Obviously they turned a blind eye to the increase in seating, & failing septic. I don't put all the blame on the owners of the Bookstore. It is something that has been overlooked for a long time. Yes, they should comply, but they should get help from the town. The town has an obligation to it's residents & patrons of every establishment to see that regulations are complied with, & if BOH is too lazy to check?
I believe in free enterprise not the Cape Cod monopoly. Flemings Donuts is a perfect example of a Cape monopoloy- they put in a bylaw prohibiting Eastam Dunkin Donuts from heating their breakfast foods, have the nerve to not provide sufficient foods for patrons. A friend who worked in that area complained that he found one donut left on the shelf when he wanted a heated blueberry muffin. It was 9 am! Not just one time, frequently! The least they can do is stock up if they won't let the competition beat them. Guess what--tourists will choose D&D anyday. Everyone needs to play by the rules.
Re: Bookstore--I see the town officials being culpable. Obviously they turned a blind eye to the increase in seating, & failing septic. I don't put all the blame on the owners of the Bookstore. It is something that has been overlooked for a long time. Yes, they should comply, but they should get help from the town. The town has an obligation to it's residents & patrons of every establishment to see that regulations are complied with, & if BOH is too lazy to check?
Buzz [Member] writes:
You just worry about your donuts in Somerville, we'll decide when it's "time to make the donuts" on Cape Cod. You keep poking your nose in our jelly donuts and your able to wind-up with a sugar-cruller up your....you know what. Mickey "Muffins" and Larry "Latte" don't take kindly to off-cape bakers taking their dough.
pennyroyal [Member] writes:
cru,
I've learned very quickly that the town will protect their own at the expense of anyone...I've learned very quickly that it is not what you know but WHO you know. It's too bad, b/c I've eaten at the Bookstore and thought it was a neat place to have; I've eaten at Capt. Higgins (years ago) and liked it, eaten at just about all the restaurants in town at some point or another. I stick to some and avoid others, usually because of WHAT and WHO I know...lol. Ya gotta love the cape....
I've learned very quickly that the town will protect their own at the expense of anyone...I've learned very quickly that it is not what you know but WHO you know. It's too bad, b/c I've eaten at the Bookstore and thought it was a neat place to have; I've eaten at Capt. Higgins (years ago) and liked it, eaten at just about all the restaurants in town at some point or another. I stick to some and avoid others, usually because of WHAT and WHO I know...lol. Ya gotta love the cape....
crusader [Member] writes:
pennyroyal,
If Peter is a concerned citizen as he claims who's only duty is to go after those who violate the laws of septic, or other, who else has he investigated on Cape Cod that has violated these laws/regs? If you have friends in high or right places, you get away. The Cape is not exclusive to this rule of corruption, it goes on everywhere. But seeing as the Cape is such a small fish bowl, you see it all up close & personal, the papers print it! Which is the most absurd thing off all! Talk about your blatant arrogance..."we do wrong & are proud of it!"..but seriously, if it was about being fair to all, then fine, but I think The Bookstore owners are being unfairly singled out & this has become an ugly story of another business owner (The Pearl) being nothing more than a big cry baby..."I CAN'T HAVE MINE...so I WILL MAKE SURE YOU CAN'T HAVE YOURS". Money is liquid, it comes & it goes with no guarantees it will be there tomorrow. There is more to life, go hang your oyster in Harwich &be happy. Money lost, you will be gained at new loc.Townhall needs to get their sh!t together.
If Peter is a concerned citizen as he claims who's only duty is to go after those who violate the laws of septic, or other, who else has he investigated on Cape Cod that has violated these laws/regs? If you have friends in high or right places, you get away. The Cape is not exclusive to this rule of corruption, it goes on everywhere. But seeing as the Cape is such a small fish bowl, you see it all up close & personal, the papers print it! Which is the most absurd thing off all! Talk about your blatant arrogance..."we do wrong & are proud of it!"..but seriously, if it was about being fair to all, then fine, but I think The Bookstore owners are being unfairly singled out & this has become an ugly story of another business owner (The Pearl) being nothing more than a big cry baby..."I CAN'T HAVE MINE...so I WILL MAKE SURE YOU CAN'T HAVE YOURS". Money is liquid, it comes & it goes with no guarantees it will be there tomorrow. There is more to life, go hang your oyster in Harwich &be happy. Money lost, you will be gained at new loc.Townhall needs to get their sh!t together.
Buzz [Member] writes:
And imagine, she left all this for Somerville. Just goes to show ya, you can take the girl out of CC, but you can't take CC out of the girl....come back cru....please!
pennyroyal [Member] writes:
crusader,
Agreed. The Cape is a fishbowl. The other side of those bridges do not offer anything different really than what goes on here. But the other side does offer a greater geographical escape from everything...it is more open and free, so to speak. This sandbar "traps" people; only one way off if you don't count boats or planes. Of course people will be singled out, fairly or unfairly. Put em in the fishbowl and see who is the alpha / aggressive fish...big fish eat littler fish. Townhall... (shake my head) it's too bad; I've met some FANTASTIC people (and yes some work for the town, salt of theearth they are) and some DEFINITELY NOT so nice people. Do we not have anything better to do than get up in others businesses?
"Can't we all just get along..." Ummmm. Rodney King.
Agreed. The Cape is a fishbowl. The other side of those bridges do not offer anything different really than what goes on here. But the other side does offer a greater geographical escape from everything...it is more open and free, so to speak. This sandbar "traps" people; only one way off if you don't count boats or planes. Of course people will be singled out, fairly or unfairly. Put em in the fishbowl and see who is the alpha / aggressive fish...big fish eat littler fish. Townhall... (shake my head) it's too bad; I've met some FANTASTIC people (and yes some work for the town, salt of theearth they are) and some DEFINITELY NOT so nice people. Do we not have anything better to do than get up in others businesses?
"Can't we all just get along..." Ummmm. Rodney King.
crusader [Member] writes:
penny, a restaurant in town, got chowder on my lunch hour, heard my boss about 50 chowders later say to a co-worker, "I wouldn't ever get chowder there....the water"...I didn't know what he meant by that comment. Living in the city, I never dealt with septics until the move to the Cape. Frankly, I don't trust city water anymore than water from anywhere else. I prefer Poland Spring to any tap, but that's just me. I worked with Tufts Biologists who test your ponds. I never heard anything negative, but nothing positive either, wondered why they were testing at all. Then I heard a thesis from a grad student about the damsel fly disappearing from Cape ponds. Well, what I'm trying to say is that the BOH & EPA are getting paid to do their jobs, so why aren't they? No one wants to know that their nearby ponds & oceans are being polluted, but they are, who is to know if everyone's septic is working properly on the Cape, or anywhere? The guy that was hired to put the old septic in at my place went out of business. I found out he put a septic on someone elses property! Where does it all go?
pennyroyal [Member] writes:
BOH, EPA, cons comm, they all have their own agenda regardless of what the official word may be...
Oh BTW, it does not just end with the septic people...we called to have our furnace serviced a few years ago...well the oil company never showed. Blew us off, so we thought. Then we get the bill. Turns out the company went to the neighbor's house, serviced that place, and billed us. Threatened to take us to small claims too! The only way we were able to clear it up was to have the driver describe the house, the interior etc.
Where does it all go? Into the sand...along with the many heads of those who choose to bury themselves there.
Oh BTW, it does not just end with the septic people...we called to have our furnace serviced a few years ago...well the oil company never showed. Blew us off, so we thought. Then we get the bill. Turns out the company went to the neighbor's house, serviced that place, and billed us. Threatened to take us to small claims too! The only way we were able to clear it up was to have the driver describe the house, the interior etc.
Where does it all go? Into the sand...along with the many heads of those who choose to bury themselves there.
crusader [Member] writes:
penny,
I've met great people too, one of them is Ned. I usually gravitate to those with artistic talents, independent thinkers who are not afraid of what they believe in. Many of the free spirited artists have left the Cape. It's become more of a battle ground of the haves and have nots duking it out --no place for the middle class. Working three jobs just to survive is not living in paradise. If you are fortunate enough to live on the family compound for free, or are part of the elite rich who insulate from the rest, then I'm sure life on CC is grand. Living in a place that's main industry is service, is not that interesting. The interesting aspects of CC are the starving artist types, those who live as true individuals and love their work because it's who they are. I laugh at the store shop owners who try to sell cookie cutter artwork. The Cape is slowly losing it's appeal. Maybe that is partly why I rush to The Bookstore's defense. The restaurants are being driven out by those with more money. But who wants a bunch of yuppified restaurants on Cape Cod? Billboard homeowners?
I've met great people too, one of them is Ned. I usually gravitate to those with artistic talents, independent thinkers who are not afraid of what they believe in. Many of the free spirited artists have left the Cape. It's become more of a battle ground of the haves and have nots duking it out --no place for the middle class. Working three jobs just to survive is not living in paradise. If you are fortunate enough to live on the family compound for free, or are part of the elite rich who insulate from the rest, then I'm sure life on CC is grand. Living in a place that's main industry is service, is not that interesting. The interesting aspects of CC are the starving artist types, those who live as true individuals and love their work because it's who they are. I laugh at the store shop owners who try to sell cookie cutter artwork. The Cape is slowly losing it's appeal. Maybe that is partly why I rush to The Bookstore's defense. The restaurants are being driven out by those with more money. But who wants a bunch of yuppified restaurants on Cape Cod? Billboard homeowners?
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Well...busy little thread youve got going here. Ive been at work all night so I guess I will have to catch up now. Thank you Crusader for your support here, but unfortunatley wherever you go...Buzz follows. Not to actually ADD anything, just cuz he cant stand ANYTHING you say. Penny, I have always respected your opinions as you've always been honest in your posts. This is what is missing here in this story - HONESTY. Mr Robbins has not been HONEST from the begining of this story. He has a grudge against the Bookstore. We ALL KNOW NOW, even after Mr Robbins tried to blame the Bookstore, that it was a BYLAW that "ran the Pearl out of town" NOT THE BOOKSTORE. We all voted to CHANGE that BYLAW remember? So now where are they? They can NOW have their restaurant, because WE VOTED TO CHANGE THE BYLAW. He didnt like the TRUTH to be told, so now he has a grudge because the TRUTH IS OUT. Now, there seems to be someone else in this story that doesnt want the TRUTH to come out...but Oh it is coming out....and soon, and I cant WAIT for that!
pennyroyal [Member] writes:
oooh! There you are Shelli! Glad you are here. Thanks for the nod, I appreciate it. I can't be anyone but myself, so if it's honest, Oh well...lol.
C'mon. give us a hint about what's coming out soon...all I know is what I see and hear and witness...and well you know, blog.
C'mon. give us a hint about what's coming out soon...all I know is what I see and hear and witness...and well you know, blog.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Why would the Bookstore want to meet with Mr. Robbins???? Who is HE? He is a NOBODY..and a dishonest one one at that. He is squirming now..and so is CCToday evidently. When it comes out that Mr. Robbins was indeed connected to the Pearl, and caused this whole fiasco.
Mr Robbins, who gave you this letter? Id like to know that...and why?
I can quote a local or two with what they think of Hillary too... but that is for a later story.
Mr Robbins, who gave you this letter? Id like to know that...and why?
I can quote a local or two with what they think of Hillary too... but that is for a later story.
Buzz [Member] writes:
Oh Shelli,
I add comic relief.... ain't that worth anything? What does cru really add? Just a bunch of crap spewing from her mouth. Do you really belief what she has to say? " the free spirited artists have left the Cape" really? Tell that to Ned. And the thousand of artists that make the cape their home. She despises the Cape so much she will make up anything to justify her inability to make it here. All my friends are middle or below middle class and there doing fine. If it makes you and others feel good to read her crap so be it.... I just don't happen to buy it and I'll defend the Cape Cod that I know and love. I don't know any "rich" people taking over the restaurant business on CC. There to smart for that, the business is run by hard working locals that love it and are not in it for the money, there's easier ways to make money. cru has NO idea of which she speaks.
I add comic relief.... ain't that worth anything? What does cru really add? Just a bunch of crap spewing from her mouth. Do you really belief what she has to say? " the free spirited artists have left the Cape" really? Tell that to Ned. And the thousand of artists that make the cape their home. She despises the Cape so much she will make up anything to justify her inability to make it here. All my friends are middle or below middle class and there doing fine. If it makes you and others feel good to read her crap so be it.... I just don't happen to buy it and I'll defend the Cape Cod that I know and love. I don't know any "rich" people taking over the restaurant business on CC. There to smart for that, the business is run by hard working locals that love it and are not in it for the money, there's easier ways to make money. cru has NO idea of which she speaks.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Buzz, Yeah...we KNOW YOU HATE CRUSADER. We GET IT, ok? This isnt about you and your dislike of her and anything she has to say. And NO, its not even funny, so the comic relief thing?....not so much.
crusader [Member] writes:
Yes shelli it seems some of us cannot post without being cyber stalked by the feeble minded trolls.ie Buzz. I couldn't ignore the ignorant attacks on you and Bookstore owners any longer. Wish them the best and hope the truth comes out. Did the Pearl try to jump hoops...isn't that hypocritical? If their contention is the Bookstore owners were hurling over towers?
Buzz, you prove me the better by your ongoing display of elitist ignorance ... Dunkin donuts has every right to be there .. They donate thousands to your starving school functions, taxes and provide jobs by force from your local parents who demand them for their brats.. Afterall they are only just visitors never owners ... I knew one who told me about the strangle hold and even when the town okayed his septic later they forced an upgrade all while flemings wrote in the papers of all the d&d stirafoam in the wetlands.she would stop at nothing .. what a freak ...
Buzz, you prove me the better by your ongoing display of elitist ignorance ... Dunkin donuts has every right to be there .. They donate thousands to your starving school functions, taxes and provide jobs by force from your local parents who demand them for their brats.. Afterall they are only just visitors never owners ... I knew one who told me about the strangle hold and even when the town okayed his septic later they forced an upgrade all while flemings wrote in the papers of all the d&d stirafoam in the wetlands.she would stop at nothing .. what a freak ...
crusader [Member] writes:
Ned is one of the few great artists left many are phonies and copy cats. One of your fine elitist artists..: said anyone living in a home worth less than 500k is living in a trailer.. How's your trailer troll? Nice people some of those artists lots of real artists are gone with their originality now you got some who think they can buy talent ...guess what those doing fine bought their shacks long ago .. are on pensions .. live free on the Yankee homestead or have fleeced their profits from welfare tax.. Take a look around ... Those who bailed from stocks paid cash for their private paradise .. Rich dictate.
pennyroyal [Member] writes:
cru,
you can add to that list of pensioners / artistes who were gifted their lovely little >500 K shacks. Some of us have actually had to work for our homes.
None the less, the people I know, artist or everydayman/woman, work. Were not given anything, take nothing for granted and mind their business. I guess we're not "fortunate enough" to have daddy leave us a spanking property. IMO, this is a dangerous thing, this inherited slice of America...I believe it leads to a complacency that lulls one into thinking that all will be handed over on a silver platter, an entitlement if you will.
Now I don't know many of the restaurant owners personally (Bookstore, flemings etc.) but I can see where an influx of change might be disturbing (ie competition) AND I can sense that little air of entitlement...after all "they" were here first, before DD moved in etc.
Capitalist America....when did it become not such a great thing?
you can add to that list of pensioners / artistes who were gifted their lovely little >500 K shacks. Some of us have actually had to work for our homes.
None the less, the people I know, artist or everydayman/woman, work. Were not given anything, take nothing for granted and mind their business. I guess we're not "fortunate enough" to have daddy leave us a spanking property. IMO, this is a dangerous thing, this inherited slice of America...I believe it leads to a complacency that lulls one into thinking that all will be handed over on a silver platter, an entitlement if you will.
Now I don't know many of the restaurant owners personally (Bookstore, flemings etc.) but I can see where an influx of change might be disturbing (ie competition) AND I can sense that little air of entitlement...after all "they" were here first, before DD moved in etc.
Capitalist America....when did it become not such a great thing?
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Morning Shellie,
Looks like your team lost the peeing contest. It's been fun for me,especially,to sit here in P-town and watch the "kids" go at. You really should agree that the townsfolk put up with "crap" for a long time, and then the "meter" caught you. What really were the dates that 1500 gallons of water were used??
Can you let PaBell know that I am the Doggie and you are the Shelli??
Cya at the next controversy, unless you want to go to Luke's this morning with me.
Doggie
PS Where was Codpeace through all this??
Looks like your team lost the peeing contest. It's been fun for me,especially,to sit here in P-town and watch the "kids" go at. You really should agree that the townsfolk put up with "crap" for a long time, and then the "meter" caught you. What really were the dates that 1500 gallons of water were used??
Can you let PaBell know that I am the Doggie and you are the Shelli??
Cya at the next controversy, unless you want to go to Luke's this morning with me.
Doggie
PS Where was Codpeace through all this??
crusader [Member] writes:
Penny
You are right. Many Cape Cod residents work too hard for wanting to live on the island. I applaud them for their industrious
efforts and unwavering dilligence. That was my point of some having to work three jobs. Buzz is another one who won't tell you the entire truth about CC living .. He lives in his own bubble out of touch with real life...many have stashed away millions from welfare tax for 8 long years. I watched rich pay cash 500k and up to millions to build their dream home and build new restaurants. Competition is always good when its fair. Local greed of wanting rich dollars to pay for lucrative salaries is coming to collect now and they won't be happy until every shack is replaced with their elitist stamp.Look to see who are the new restaurant and inn owners.. They are not the hard workers. Buzz talks of days gone by not new game in town... Who will afford to eat at places like the pearl? One thing I learned about the new brand of rich .. They bore easily and move on. Let's hope the sell out can be contained.. Hope so for my friends who remain and I want to visit the quaint place I use to know like many before it turns into Nantucket.
You are right. Many Cape Cod residents work too hard for wanting to live on the island. I applaud them for their industrious
efforts and unwavering dilligence. That was my point of some having to work three jobs. Buzz is another one who won't tell you the entire truth about CC living .. He lives in his own bubble out of touch with real life...many have stashed away millions from welfare tax for 8 long years. I watched rich pay cash 500k and up to millions to build their dream home and build new restaurants. Competition is always good when its fair. Local greed of wanting rich dollars to pay for lucrative salaries is coming to collect now and they won't be happy until every shack is replaced with their elitist stamp.Look to see who are the new restaurant and inn owners.. They are not the hard workers. Buzz talks of days gone by not new game in town... Who will afford to eat at places like the pearl? One thing I learned about the new brand of rich .. They bore easily and move on. Let's hope the sell out can be contained.. Hope so for my friends who remain and I want to visit the quaint place I use to know like many before it turns into Nantucket.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Aww Doggie needs a friend and the only one that can come close is "the Piece"...hahaha
The Bookstore has used UNDER the 3k limit EVERY SINGLE day (about HALF that most days) since they were hooked up to town water. SOOOO...do the math... Hillary's "calculations" (or "hallucinations"..or accusations"..or "in her dreams") are WRONG. Her seating estimate DOES NOT ADD UP. Proof is in the meter!
But you people can get your "FACTS" from a BLOG!
Hey...try the Koolaid too!
The Bookstore has used UNDER the 3k limit EVERY SINGLE day (about HALF that most days) since they were hooked up to town water. SOOOO...do the math... Hillary's "calculations" (or "hallucinations"..or accusations"..or "in her dreams") are WRONG. Her seating estimate DOES NOT ADD UP. Proof is in the meter!
But you people can get your "FACTS" from a BLOG!
Hey...try the Koolaid too!
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Penny, when Capt Higgins was in business, the Bookstore and Capt. Higgins worked together nicely. There was always plenty of business for both - more than either of them could seat. If one had a big party that they couldnt seat, they called each other - Never a feeling of "the competition". Mr. Robbins FABRICATED that whole "competition" thing. He needed an excuse for the Pearl BAILING OUT. Does anyone want to look at Capt. Higgins septic OR water situation before they deserted the place? A situation that the PEARL was going to CONTINUE until the BYLAW got in their way? I dont think so. Not purchasing the place, and leasing would have allowed that septic problem to continue to go directly into the harbor, until they actually bought the place. Not unlike another restaurant on the harbor that went from paper plates to a full service fine dining with NO septic upgrade. OK? Since I am not affiliated with any restaurant, I can safely say that NO restaurant in town wants to be put through what the Bookstore has been put through.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Mr. Robbins, Wellfleet does not need you stirring up your nastiness on the harbor OR on the Bluff at the Gut. Wellfleet has always dealt with their problems without YOU and your irresponsible BLOGGING. Go sniff at Chatham's butts. There is more money there for you and your brown nose. Wellfleet will look into their own BOH without your antagonizing.
crusader [Member] writes:
Shelli,
But that's just the point, he knows who's butt he can sniff and get away....yes, we would like him to go investigate Chatham...how about those who violate labor law...care to investigate that? I have one place in mind...but we can't go there....did you know there is such a thing called being "Cape Cod Correct"....
But that's just the point, he knows who's butt he can sniff and get away....yes, we would like him to go investigate Chatham...how about those who violate labor law...care to investigate that? I have one place in mind...but we can't go there....did you know there is such a thing called being "Cape Cod Correct"....
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
I guess youre right about that Crusader. He picked on Carol Parlante and called HER greedy???? Excuse me, but Carol Parlante GAVE AWAY most of the money she ever made. I know, because I was on the receiving list of her generosity. The town KNOWS that Carol Parlante is NOT greedy. She has kept people on her payroll ALL WINTER when it COST her money to do that. If Mr. Robbins wants greed, he picked on the WRONG restaurant.... lets just leave it at that.
crusader [Member] writes:
Yes Shelli, I'm sure she is one of the best people on the Cape.
And Penny & Shelli, check out the headlines on CCtimes about CCH. One of the lucrative salaries went to the former CEO who nearly tanked the place with mismanagement, consulting fees? Yeah, more buddies who need a freebie....I sincerely hope the new guy can save the place. I'm sure David Mugar is not a happy camper.
And Penny & Shelli, check out the headlines on CCtimes about CCH. One of the lucrative salaries went to the former CEO who nearly tanked the place with mismanagement, consulting fees? Yeah, more buddies who need a freebie....I sincerely hope the new guy can save the place. I'm sure David Mugar is not a happy camper.
nonresidenttaxpayer [Member] writes:
The place is disgusting and should be closed by the town until they comply. No exceptions or excuses. Someone is going to get sick and the lawsuit will be devastating to the town, and more costly to the Parlante's then the business they'll miss by being closed the rest of this crappy (no pun intended) summer.
crusader [Member] writes:
No one has gotten sick so far, so what is your point? Are the owners of the Pearl filled with such a vengence?
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Well, since you only get your "facts" from a BLOG, you would think it is disgusting by what Mr Robbins has told you...and YOU BELIEVE IT. Do you like how he spins his stories about the house on the bluff too?
cw rice [Member] writes:
clamshelli wrote: "The Bookstore has used UNDER the 3k limit EVERY SINGLE day (about HALF that most days) since they were hooked up to town water. SOOOO...do the math... Hillary's "calculations" (or "hallucinations"..or accusations"..or "in her dreams") are WRONG. Her seating estimate DOES NOT ADD UP. Proof is in the meter!"
Title V is what controls not the water meter.
From the BOH minutes:
At a meeting in 1989 on 11 Dec. the BOH set a seating limit based on design flow of the septic system at 95 seats period.
Fast forward to 2007, 8 Aug. and the BOH determined that the septic system failed based on the standards in Title V & local standards not someone's opinion. Once again the BOH determined a seating capacity of 95 seats.
In March and April the problem starts being addressed, but is not fixed as of today.
Seating above 95 is in use from time to time over the season. Clear violations are present on 7 Aug. and observed.
Why it took twenty years to get this point and the lack of enforcement and continued annual licensing and who are at fault are questions to be asked.
Title V is what controls not the water meter.
From the BOH minutes:
At a meeting in 1989 on 11 Dec. the BOH set a seating limit based on design flow of the septic system at 95 seats period.
Fast forward to 2007, 8 Aug. and the BOH determined that the septic system failed based on the standards in Title V & local standards not someone's opinion. Once again the BOH determined a seating capacity of 95 seats.
In March and April the problem starts being addressed, but is not fixed as of today.
Seating above 95 is in use from time to time over the season. Clear violations are present on 7 Aug. and observed.
Why it took twenty years to get this point and the lack of enforcement and continued annual licensing and who are at fault are questions to be asked.
cw rice [Member] writes:
Those are facts, from the official records of the Town, not conjecture. If you have questions about the application of Title V and local standards, or how the calculations were made ask Tim Brady of East Cape Engineering the Bookstore's PE. For more facts read the motion that was made and approved 22 April 08 BOH meeting.
If you want more seats you put in a bigger system. It should be noted that although the non-patron use of the restrooms has been mentioned by both parties it appears that the BOH nor the engineer has not taken that usage into account in the submitted plans.
The proposed system being designed is solely based on Title V requirements for a fixed design flow of 3,380 GPD that Applicant has presented for 95 seats and the retail space.
These are fact devoid of opinion.
If you want more seats you put in a bigger system. It should be noted that although the non-patron use of the restrooms has been mentioned by both parties it appears that the BOH nor the engineer has not taken that usage into account in the submitted plans.
The proposed system being designed is solely based on Title V requirements for a fixed design flow of 3,380 GPD that Applicant has presented for 95 seats and the retail space.
These are fact devoid of opinion.
eloise [Member] writes:
I heard that there is a sign in the bombshelter bathroom saying if its yellow let it mellow. What is going on in this town.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
cw rice says: "Why it took twenty years to get this point and the lack of enforcement and continued annual licensing and who are at fault are questions to be asked."
Ok, I agree. Let us take a real close look at our BOH now then. Seems their lack of enforcement is pretty wide spread over town and not limited to the Bookstore. Shall we? Do we want to do that? Do we like our BOH teaming up with a nobody like Mr. Robbins in a public lynching? Then let the lynchings begin! There will be plenty to go around - you can thank Mr. Robbins for that. Wellfleet can and IS and always has taken care of their issues without the irresponsible BLOGGING of Mr. Robbins. The BOH should not be teaming up with someone who is going to cause a microscopic look unto THEM. Are you ready for this? Keep believing whatever is fed to you on a BLOG!
Ok, I agree. Let us take a real close look at our BOH now then. Seems their lack of enforcement is pretty wide spread over town and not limited to the Bookstore. Shall we? Do we want to do that? Do we like our BOH teaming up with a nobody like Mr. Robbins in a public lynching? Then let the lynchings begin! There will be plenty to go around - you can thank Mr. Robbins for that. Wellfleet can and IS and always has taken care of their issues without the irresponsible BLOGGING of Mr. Robbins. The BOH should not be teaming up with someone who is going to cause a microscopic look unto THEM. Are you ready for this? Keep believing whatever is fed to you on a BLOG!
crusader [Member] writes:
Clami,
Your point well taken. Let the septic lynching begin and effect all not just the selected few who just happen to take the spot desired with now a vengence by those representing the Pearl. What will happen to those restaurants that cannot afford the upgrade? Just board them all up, so no one can find a place to eat in town? Smart move. Maybe they can find more rich yuppies willing to sink millions into Cape real estate which will never bring back a return. Why do you think the some motel strips were and are deserted? Nobody wants to sink their millions into a place with no guarantees for profit. The town should work it out with the Bookstore. And the rest who want their piece, go pay the millions. What did you mean shelli about the Billboard house?
Your point well taken. Let the septic lynching begin and effect all not just the selected few who just happen to take the spot desired with now a vengence by those representing the Pearl. What will happen to those restaurants that cannot afford the upgrade? Just board them all up, so no one can find a place to eat in town? Smart move. Maybe they can find more rich yuppies willing to sink millions into Cape real estate which will never bring back a return. Why do you think the some motel strips were and are deserted? Nobody wants to sink their millions into a place with no guarantees for profit. The town should work it out with the Bookstore. And the rest who want their piece, go pay the millions. What did you mean shelli about the Billboard house?
crusader [Member] writes:
here's a dumb question....shelli, why don't the engineering firms give the local owners a break on an upgrade. What is the cost? How do they justify what is labor/equip/fees and PROFIT???
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Mr. Robbins evidently likes to publicly ridicule Wellfleet and its struggles to balance the rights of the people. He irresponsibly wrote of a meeting that DID NOT EVEN HAPPEN concerning the building of the mansion on the bluff. As someone already said to him, "Get your facts straight, Mr. Robbins. We have enough problems we are trying to deal with without YOUR irresponsible BLOGGING". Mr. Robbins had to apologize for his careless blogging on that issue. We dont need his pathetic apology. We need him to go else where with his crap blogging, and we need our public offices to stop giving him more info for him to twist in his slanted blog. Since he is NOT a journalist for a responsible newspaper, he can publish whatever he wants with no consideration or being held to the truth. He is a BLOGGER. His careless blogging has caused enough trouble already. People need to realize that this is NOT a newspaper - it is a BLOG. Anyone can say whatever they want to. This is NOT RESPONSIBLE JOURNALISM. Anyone can quote you "facts" and tell you they are "facts" when they are not.
crusader [Member] writes:
So shelli,
Where does the Billboard house sit in terms of being allowed to build? Have they sorted that out? Sounds to me they want Wellfleet to become the next Truro. I hope Wellfleet gets to remain just how it is, lots of towns have sold out to the highest bidder, but if I know Wellfleet residents, some are accomplished writers who have influence, the won't let it happen.
Where does the Billboard house sit in terms of being allowed to build? Have they sorted that out? Sounds to me they want Wellfleet to become the next Truro. I hope Wellfleet gets to remain just how it is, lots of towns have sold out to the highest bidder, but if I know Wellfleet residents, some are accomplished writers who have influence, the won't let it happen.
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Schelli,
Just back from Brewster to see more of your venom spewing everywhere. I stopped at Ace and got a peace offering for you. A giant can of Raid to kill that bug that's up your -ss!!!
Give it up and read all of your posts. Counseling might be a good first step.
Just back from Brewster to see more of your venom spewing everywhere. I stopped at Ace and got a peace offering for you. A giant can of Raid to kill that bug that's up your -ss!!!
Give it up and read all of your posts. Counseling might be a good first step.
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey dog,
Might you be peter impersonating? Shelli is fighting for her town and an owner who has a right to remain. It should be a joint effort:
Town will make modifications, septic company will provide a discount rate, and restaurant gets to stay. SIMPLE.
Take your greed elsewhere. Does Howard Zinn live in Wellfleet? How about Noam Choamsky? Get them to help out in this cause. I'm sure they will. They believe in a democracy too. Check out the link I posted on my blog, shelli. There is a church, betting it's in Wellfleet where they all gathered to discuss the censorship going on in this country. And looks like the wealthy don't have much faith in the stock market anymore, so where else are they going to put their welfare tax profits?
Might you be peter impersonating? Shelli is fighting for her town and an owner who has a right to remain. It should be a joint effort:
Town will make modifications, septic company will provide a discount rate, and restaurant gets to stay. SIMPLE.
Take your greed elsewhere. Does Howard Zinn live in Wellfleet? How about Noam Choamsky? Get them to help out in this cause. I'm sure they will. They believe in a democracy too. Check out the link I posted on my blog, shelli. There is a church, betting it's in Wellfleet where they all gathered to discuss the censorship going on in this country. And looks like the wealthy don't have much faith in the stock market anymore, so where else are they going to put their welfare tax profits?
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Crusader, we both know some of these "blog writers" have their "nasty nics" so they can spout their nasty selves. They blog with one name, then they stir up crap with their nasty nics. Otherwise, without these numerous nick names, there would only be about ...umm..maybe 2 dozen people reading this blog site!
capedoggie [Member] writes:
To the lovelies,
There will be a helluva lot less "blog writers" for sure once we rid ourselves of the "ladies" and their nasty nics. What is the prestegious university that the "Cru" goes to ?? Mt Ida or Lasell??
Off to Luke's. Wanna ride along??? Curly,Larry and Moe, ain't got anything on us!!!
Cya ladies,or men,or both.
Requescat en pace
There will be a helluva lot less "blog writers" for sure once we rid ourselves of the "ladies" and their nasty nics. What is the prestegious university that the "Cru" goes to ?? Mt Ida or Lasell??
Off to Luke's. Wanna ride along??? Curly,Larry and Moe, ain't got anything on us!!!
Cya ladies,or men,or both.
Requescat en pace
crusader [Member] writes:
Aren't you suppose to be on the look out for hydrants bow-wow...got too many ticks and fleas you can't scratch?
Maybe you and your friends should keep sucking up to that rich revenue on the island...looks like your in for one rude awakening. Hope you appreciate the lucrative town paid jobs...and just how much did Abbott collect over the years just to tank the CCH? blame it on the illegals, way to go...how about those at the top and same goes for your town paid employees who can't do their jobs very well to protect local residents from the tidal wave of the Richitan takeover. Not everyone wants it, but it may just be too late since the sell out seems to have really picked up some speed. Yes, indeed, build the house with cash, the builders all like that so the banks don't scrutinize. Just make sure you build it right. The rich don't like modern day pirates either. Wonder how much they don't claim on their taxes? Bet the IRS would have a field day, but as the pres. said, "the rich have their lawyers...we all know how they love to hide their money in creative places, don't we"...
Maybe you and your friends should keep sucking up to that rich revenue on the island...looks like your in for one rude awakening. Hope you appreciate the lucrative town paid jobs...and just how much did Abbott collect over the years just to tank the CCH? blame it on the illegals, way to go...how about those at the top and same goes for your town paid employees who can't do their jobs very well to protect local residents from the tidal wave of the Richitan takeover. Not everyone wants it, but it may just be too late since the sell out seems to have really picked up some speed. Yes, indeed, build the house with cash, the builders all like that so the banks don't scrutinize. Just make sure you build it right. The rich don't like modern day pirates either. Wonder how much they don't claim on their taxes? Bet the IRS would have a field day, but as the pres. said, "the rich have their lawyers...we all know how they love to hide their money in creative places, don't we"...
cw rice [Member] writes:
As the immortal Joe Friday (Jack Webb) was often quoted as saying on Dragnet “All we want are the facts, ma’am.”
Crusader observed: "Shelli is fighting for her town and an owner who has a right to remain. It should be a joint effort: Town will make modifications, septic company will provide a discount rate, and restaurant gets to stay. SIMPLE."
No one is denying the proprietors and owners their rights to remain nor the Town's.
What it is, is compliance with the rule of law. In Mass we have regulation entitled "Title 5: 310 CMR 15: State Environmental Code, Title 5" (aka Title V) this regulation takes it authority from Mass Gen. Law C. 21A §§ 13 - 13A, C. 111 §§ 31E & 127B1/2. Plus any local regulation(s) the BOH has adopted. Compliance is mandatory it protects groundwater & surface supplies from contamination.
Design firms, professional engineers and septic system installers are business that are both competition and profit driven, same as the restaurant business. If they wish to give away their services they can, but why would they? Same as a restaurant charging less than cost.
Crusader observed: "Shelli is fighting for her town and an owner who has a right to remain. It should be a joint effort: Town will make modifications, septic company will provide a discount rate, and restaurant gets to stay. SIMPLE."
No one is denying the proprietors and owners their rights to remain nor the Town's.
What it is, is compliance with the rule of law. In Mass we have regulation entitled "Title 5: 310 CMR 15: State Environmental Code, Title 5" (aka Title V) this regulation takes it authority from Mass Gen. Law C. 21A §§ 13 - 13A, C. 111 §§ 31E & 127B1/2. Plus any local regulation(s) the BOH has adopted. Compliance is mandatory it protects groundwater & surface supplies from contamination.
Design firms, professional engineers and septic system installers are business that are both competition and profit driven, same as the restaurant business. If they wish to give away their services they can, but why would they? Same as a restaurant charging less than cost.
cw rice [Member] writes:
Two case on point about Title V are:
Tortorella v. Board of Health of Bourne, 39 Mass. App. Ct. 277, 655 N.E.2d 633 (1995). Court stated that it was a "paramount obligation [of the Board of Health] to protect the environment." This demonstrates that Title 5 is considered part of the state's environmental code as well as its public health law.
Commonwealth v. Town of Essex (Suffolk Sup.Ct. No. 96-2209). Town of Essex entered into an agreement with the Mass. Attorney General's Office which required the town to, henceforward, adopt and enforce municipal inspection and maintenance plans.
In the first the courts made a finding that compliance with Title V protects the environment and in the second it found that a Town must enforce Title V to standards of it vigorously.
In other words the Town can not look the other way, with regard to Title V obligations.
Tortorella v. Board of Health of Bourne, 39 Mass. App. Ct. 277, 655 N.E.2d 633 (1995). Court stated that it was a "paramount obligation [of the Board of Health] to protect the environment." This demonstrates that Title 5 is considered part of the state's environmental code as well as its public health law.
Commonwealth v. Town of Essex (Suffolk Sup.Ct. No. 96-2209). Town of Essex entered into an agreement with the Mass. Attorney General's Office which required the town to, henceforward, adopt and enforce municipal inspection and maintenance plans.
In the first the courts made a finding that compliance with Title V protects the environment and in the second it found that a Town must enforce Title V to standards of it vigorously.
In other words the Town can not look the other way, with regard to Title V obligations.
capedoggie [Member] writes:
What the hell are you on?? You are beginning to sound like Mt Ida material.Do you want to argue the Cape Cod Hospital?? the illegals?? screwing the IRS??;the Richitan takeover; {that would be my favorite}??
I thought we were talking,without you, about the cesspool in Wellfleet that had 20 years to clean up their act. They chose to thumb their noses at the "landed gentry" of the town. What's good for the goose,is good for the goose!! It didn't work this time. I don't live in Wellfleet. I live in P-Town, and in the Berkshires in the winter, Sheffield to be exact. People out there don't get away with this crap.Why should anyone in Wellfleet believe they have a birthwright to pollute the very waters that they harvest product from, and then be pissed when somebody says,STOP!!!!
Answer that one and then we can move on to screwing the IRS, or your"Richitan Takeover"
PS No Ticks!!
I thought we were talking,without you, about the cesspool in Wellfleet that had 20 years to clean up their act. They chose to thumb their noses at the "landed gentry" of the town. What's good for the goose,is good for the goose!! It didn't work this time. I don't live in Wellfleet. I live in P-Town, and in the Berkshires in the winter, Sheffield to be exact. People out there don't get away with this crap.Why should anyone in Wellfleet believe they have a birthwright to pollute the very waters that they harvest product from, and then be pissed when somebody says,STOP!!!!
Answer that one and then we can move on to screwing the IRS, or your"Richitan Takeover"
PS No Ticks!!
crusader [Member] writes:
hey flea hound,
Check out the phosphorus content off the lawns on cape cod bay,what's good for one polluter should be good for all polluters. I bet the rich do far worse...Dupont, Scott, W.R. Grace. That is my point ignoramous....why go after the little guy--EASY BREEZY since it won't cost much. Try to bulldoze the wealthy who have all the politicians in their pockets. Ever heard of Trusts, Estates, why do you think they are created. How much have they swindled the taxpayers by NOT paying their fair share in taxes. This is not just a Bookstore vs. Pearl issue....this is a global issue. The rich get a free pass to pollute & steamroll our coast. Sure they pay, but so does the nature they pummel & the RE taxes escalate leaving the long time resident no choice but to bail. Who are the investors of the Pearl? Since the Parlante's opposition demand disclosure, how about providing a little disclosure of who are the investors. It seems to me Peter must be working for some who are more than p!ssed off about their loss of investment. Try hedge funds next time. LOL.
Check out the phosphorus content off the lawns on cape cod bay,what's good for one polluter should be good for all polluters. I bet the rich do far worse...Dupont, Scott, W.R. Grace. That is my point ignoramous....why go after the little guy--EASY BREEZY since it won't cost much. Try to bulldoze the wealthy who have all the politicians in their pockets. Ever heard of Trusts, Estates, why do you think they are created. How much have they swindled the taxpayers by NOT paying their fair share in taxes. This is not just a Bookstore vs. Pearl issue....this is a global issue. The rich get a free pass to pollute & steamroll our coast. Sure they pay, but so does the nature they pummel & the RE taxes escalate leaving the long time resident no choice but to bail. Who are the investors of the Pearl? Since the Parlante's opposition demand disclosure, how about providing a little disclosure of who are the investors. It seems to me Peter must be working for some who are more than p!ssed off about their loss of investment. Try hedge funds next time. LOL.
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Crew,
You must be awfully busy up there in Cambridge.
Can we move on to something that will give you a fighting chance?? Speaking of investors, are you sure Clamsally is not a principal in the what's it's name??? You know,there in God's little corner of the world??
Now, do we move to "takeovers" or the inability to pay real estate taxes??Shelli asked me to get off the booze. What is it that you are on?? Let's do Luke's!!! Wait til you see their John's.
Standing by
Dog
You must be awfully busy up there in Cambridge.
Can we move on to something that will give you a fighting chance?? Speaking of investors, are you sure Clamsally is not a principal in the what's it's name??? You know,there in God's little corner of the world??
Now, do we move to "takeovers" or the inability to pay real estate taxes??Shelli asked me to get off the booze. What is it that you are on?? Let's do Luke's!!! Wait til you see their John's.
Standing by
Dog
crusader [Member] writes:
I'm not on anything....just how many drunks and addicts you think you can fit on one tiny little island...flea hound. Would you be one? I hear that's how many have learned to stay on the expensive sand pit--selling dope as a supplemental income...and many are potential theives...don't doubt that either...told to me by someone who spent far too long there who's see it up close.
Are you done trashing people who can't fight your hedge fund friends...careful now, be sure to make more investments into the local business owners who can no longer afford what they have struggled to keep....I hear the market it going belly up. Time for the pres to take what's left for the 3 Trillion Dollar War...so pay up...we know how a fool and his money hate to be parted....LOL.
God Bless Middle Class America, the backbone of our country. Think it's goin to be a rougher ride before it gets better. At least some of us know what's important in life. Too bad the rest don't...and won't until they are on their death beds...maybe never.
Are you done trashing people who can't fight your hedge fund friends...careful now, be sure to make more investments into the local business owners who can no longer afford what they have struggled to keep....I hear the market it going belly up. Time for the pres to take what's left for the 3 Trillion Dollar War...so pay up...we know how a fool and his money hate to be parted....LOL.
God Bless Middle Class America, the backbone of our country. Think it's goin to be a rougher ride before it gets better. At least some of us know what's important in life. Too bad the rest don't...and won't until they are on their death beds...maybe never.
cw rice [Member] writes:
Historically towns and the state (MHD) have been the biggest unabated source of pollutants. VOC's and nutrients (nitrogen & phosphorous) Polluted runoff is major problem on the Cape. this type of pollution is a result of contaminants picked up in rainwater and melting snow which are eventually emptied into the bay. Examples of possible pollutants picked up in runoff include fertilizers and other lawn/garden chemicals, wastes from pets, salt from roadways, and oil and gasoline leaked from automobiles. In many towns on the Cape this problem is compounded by the large parking lots located near or directly adjacent to harbors.
I believe presently the Provincetown Center for Coastal Studies (PCCS) has at least five monitoring stations in Wellfleet Harbour or the waters that empty thereto and upwards of 8 in the Bay itself.
How many road way storm drains and culverts discharge directly into waterways in the Town? Some of the roadway drainage comes directly from driveways and private parking lots that discharge directly onto the roadway.
Wellfleet however is not a NPDS Phase II MS4 Town.
I believe presently the Provincetown Center for Coastal Studies (PCCS) has at least five monitoring stations in Wellfleet Harbour or the waters that empty thereto and upwards of 8 in the Bay itself.
How many road way storm drains and culverts discharge directly into waterways in the Town? Some of the roadway drainage comes directly from driveways and private parking lots that discharge directly onto the roadway.
Wellfleet however is not a NPDS Phase II MS4 Town.
cw rice [Member] writes:
With all the heavy weather increased rainfall this summer no doubt a lot of VOCs and nutrients are being flushed into the Bay almost daily and often more than once a day.
The increased rainfall on permeable surface through absorption is most likely raising the water table as well, coupled with an increase in sea level, a five foot separation between a SAS and ground water may not be practicable for a Cape Community in the long term.
The increased rainfall on permeable surface through absorption is most likely raising the water table as well, coupled with an increase in sea level, a five foot separation between a SAS and ground water may not be practicable for a Cape Community in the long term.
crusader [Member] writes:
cw rice, what is the meaning of:
Wellfleet however is not a NPDS Phase II MS4 Town.
Wellfleet however is not a NPDS Phase II MS4 Town.
crusader [Member] writes:
stormwater runoffs -- but you gotta keep those lawn up on Oyster Bay!
So let's talk about the REAL POLLUTERS of Cape Cod Bay....shall we?
Or would you rather not go there...do they own homes on your toxic sandpit?
What the public doesn't know can hurt them.
So let's talk about the REAL POLLUTERS of Cape Cod Bay....shall we?
Or would you rather not go there...do they own homes on your toxic sandpit?
What the public doesn't know can hurt them.
wise [Member] writes:
CW Rice: have you been able to find out if the taxpayers are paying anything for the lawsuit brought by the government re the Blasch situation? Is it just against the BOS? This long-winded conversation about the Bookstore is getting boring..and its not nearly as important as the fact that we as taxpayers might have to pay more money because Dale Donovan and his friends wont let the decision by the ZBA stand!
cw rice [Member] writes:
Sorry about the use acronyms, but the site's character counter rules.
In my haste I also left out a letter it should have NPDES not NPDS.
The EPA's Clean Water Act; National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) program seeks to eliminate direct discharges into bodies of waters and their watercourses of waterborne pollutants. Communities are required to get permits for their Storm Water Discharges from Small Municipal Separate Storm Sewer Systems (“Small MS4 Permit” or “Permit”) and requires the submission of annual reports along with some other jumping through regulatory hoops and the adoption of local bylaws to protect water quality.
The EPA determines the communities that need permitting based on the extant of urbanization, the closest community to Wellfleet is a portion of Eastham.
If you need more information go to: http://www.epa.gov/NE/npdes/stormwater/ms4-annual-rpt.html
In my haste I also left out a letter it should have NPDES not NPDS.
The EPA's Clean Water Act; National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) program seeks to eliminate direct discharges into bodies of waters and their watercourses of waterborne pollutants. Communities are required to get permits for their Storm Water Discharges from Small Municipal Separate Storm Sewer Systems (“Small MS4 Permit” or “Permit”) and requires the submission of annual reports along with some other jumping through regulatory hoops and the adoption of local bylaws to protect water quality.
The EPA determines the communities that need permitting based on the extant of urbanization, the closest community to Wellfleet is a portion of Eastham.
If you need more information go to: http://www.epa.gov/NE/npdes/stormwater/ms4-annual-rpt.html
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cw rice [Member] writes:
Wise
I posted a response to your question in the topic thread in which it refers to. Proposed Zoning Articles and US Government vs. Town of Wellfleet. Look in either one for my information.
I posted a response to your question in the topic thread in which it refers to. Proposed Zoning Articles and US Government vs. Town of Wellfleet. Look in either one for my information.
cw rice [Member] writes:
A wash ashore not a Capie once said,
“So let us begin anew - remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof”
—John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Inaugural Address, Friday, January 20, 1961
(The above should please the editor)
“So let us begin anew - remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof”
—John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Inaugural Address, Friday, January 20, 1961
(The above should please the editor)
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Krue,
You gotta stop!! You are becoming the poster child for stupidity, and talking about things you know nothing about. What the hell makes you think I am into hedge funds. You are nothing more than a wannabe from Everett who thinks you know it all. I'm sure you know all the answers; now it is time to put the answers with the questions.
We started this sparring match this morning. You, in your wisdom, have not answered one question. Do you really think the folks in Wellfleet should be pissed that someone in their town was doing what amounts to a slow death of their little island??
Do you really think that those who still look at your assinine rants care about Geoge Bush and investors and hedge fund managers ad nausem?? All the folks I know want to know is when the hell shit won't be mixing with water around the place that you and whats her/his name want to defend. GO TO BED!! I hope you make more sense witha good night's sleep. My offer to go to Luke's stands
Thinking of youse,
Clamdoggie
You gotta stop!! You are becoming the poster child for stupidity, and talking about things you know nothing about. What the hell makes you think I am into hedge funds. You are nothing more than a wannabe from Everett who thinks you know it all. I'm sure you know all the answers; now it is time to put the answers with the questions.
We started this sparring match this morning. You, in your wisdom, have not answered one question. Do you really think the folks in Wellfleet should be pissed that someone in their town was doing what amounts to a slow death of their little island??
Do you really think that those who still look at your assinine rants care about Geoge Bush and investors and hedge fund managers ad nausem?? All the folks I know want to know is when the hell shit won't be mixing with water around the place that you and whats her/his name want to defend. GO TO BED!! I hope you make more sense witha good night's sleep. My offer to go to Luke's stands
Thinking of youse,
Clamdoggie
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Did they make you a f*cked up cheeseburger or something You seem very focused on this joint.
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey dog meat
I don't live in everett its somerville
home of infamous mobsters .. Be carefull what you say about the city slickers...tell everyone who the investors of the Pearl are and we will know what this is about. See any three legged toads yet? How about two legged turtles? I have in labs. So what are the fertilizer moguls doing about it? 5 bucks the Bookstore gets to stay and 10 says The Pearl won't even attract flies by the time you are done exploiting them. Think its time for your rabie shot.
I don't live in everett its somerville
home of infamous mobsters .. Be carefull what you say about the city slickers...tell everyone who the investors of the Pearl are and we will know what this is about. See any three legged toads yet? How about two legged turtles? I have in labs. So what are the fertilizer moguls doing about it? 5 bucks the Bookstore gets to stay and 10 says The Pearl won't even attract flies by the time you are done exploiting them. Think its time for your rabie shot.
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Hey Seater,
Everett is a step up. I was giving you the doubt. Who are the mobsters?? Whitey Bulger?? Doc Salamme?? I do have a cat that pisses on one leg. Does that count??
Is it careful or carefull?? Is it rabie or rabies??
I'm beginning to think it was Cambridge School.
Man, you are betting the farm on the Bookstore!! Five bucks??? You got change for a nickel?? The flies already have a home. When you talk about the "city slickers", is that Billy Crystal you have in mind??
When can we talk about the IRS??
Hope you have a grate Friday.
When can we start the spelling bee??
The loser goes off the Tobin Bridge.
So long for awhile.
Clum
Everett is a step up. I was giving you the doubt. Who are the mobsters?? Whitey Bulger?? Doc Salamme?? I do have a cat that pisses on one leg. Does that count??
Is it careful or carefull?? Is it rabie or rabies??
I'm beginning to think it was Cambridge School.
Man, you are betting the farm on the Bookstore!! Five bucks??? You got change for a nickel?? The flies already have a home. When you talk about the "city slickers", is that Billy Crystal you have in mind??
When can we talk about the IRS??
Hope you have a grate Friday.
When can we start the spelling bee??
The loser goes off the Tobin Bridge.
So long for awhile.
Clum
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
There is an article in this week's Cape Codder which will show you the difference between a NEWSPAPER with responsible reporting and a BLOGGER with a grudge. Marilyn Miller is a journalist/reporter/writer - Peter Robbins is an arrogant BLOGGER with a grudge. Read the article and see for yourself. 6 thousand gallons a day or 1500 gallons a day-which do you believe? Do the math, if they were indeed seating over 200 people, their usage would be a LOT higher than 1500 gallons a day. Dont be blind sheep and believe what you are told HERE. A newspaper is for fact finding (and even at that is not always 100% correct) a blog is for OPINIONS. Opinions are like........well, everybody has one. Know the difference, people. I dont care what kind of statistics, percentages and "Legaleze" you read here, or who the blogger claims to be.....IT IS A BLOG.
And I am a rocket scientist.
Get it?
Yet?
**The BOH now has to answer to some questions, and she can thank Mr. Robbins for that.
Hillary: When you play in the gutter, you get dirty.
And I am a rocket scientist.
Get it?
Yet?
**The BOH now has to answer to some questions, and she can thank Mr. Robbins for that.
Hillary: When you play in the gutter, you get dirty.
crusader [Member] writes:
Great work, shelli!
If Marilyn Miller is on this one you know it will be the truth when she is done. Too bad they kicked her out of Truro, we might have got the real story on that other one, too. It seems she was after the chief for some explanations and got a door slammed in her face and threatened to call her editor. Censorship is as common was the scrub pine on Cape Cod when it come to certain people.
Well, that's good news. Hope there's a happy ending to this ever winding saga-in favor of the Bookstore Restaurant. That will teach them not to pick on the Wellfleetians. Wonder if Noam and Howard are still holding lectures? Maybe they help out? I would think the liberals of Wellfleet would like to save The Bookstore from the sprawling Richistans....guess we'll have to see what happens. I wish them luck, shelli and hope to be back for those fried oysters in the Fall.
If Marilyn Miller is on this one you know it will be the truth when she is done. Too bad they kicked her out of Truro, we might have got the real story on that other one, too. It seems she was after the chief for some explanations and got a door slammed in her face and threatened to call her editor. Censorship is as common was the scrub pine on Cape Cod when it come to certain people.
Well, that's good news. Hope there's a happy ending to this ever winding saga-in favor of the Bookstore Restaurant. That will teach them not to pick on the Wellfleetians. Wonder if Noam and Howard are still holding lectures? Maybe they help out? I would think the liberals of Wellfleet would like to save The Bookstore from the sprawling Richistans....guess we'll have to see what happens. I wish them luck, shelli and hope to be back for those fried oysters in the Fall.
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Creue,
You must be on the Starship ,also."Censorship is as common was the scrub pine on Cape Cod when it come to certain people"
When it "come to certain people", they should spend more time learning the King's language.
My offer to take youse too girls tu Luke's still stands. How am I dueing???
Remember, we change directions at half time.
You must be on the Starship ,also."Censorship is as common was the scrub pine on Cape Cod when it come to certain people"
When it "come to certain people", they should spend more time learning the King's language.
My offer to take youse too girls tu Luke's still stands. How am I dueing???
Remember, we change directions at half time.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
What I got from her article was just unbiased reporting of the facts - and good writing - that's all. I dont think she has a dog in this race, shes just doing her job. She does it well.
cw rice [Member] writes:
I have read the article in the CC, by Ms. Miller.
What we have folks are apples and oranges. Her article reports on number of gallons per day of town water being allowed; up to 3,335 GPD. It appears that they are doing a great job in water conservation, using well below their daily limit.
The biggest use of water in a restaurant is cleaning & washing of pots, pans, dishes, glasses & silverware. The next is use by sanitary facilities (rest rooms), the third is cooking.
The BOH seating capacity limit comes from the current design of their septic system which using the standards in Title V, a restaurant, eat in is 35GPD per seat. It now appears that they have made an argument that the 'Bomb Shelter' seats (40) should be counted as Lounge, Tavern seats at 20 GPD. Which they feel would be allowed as no food is service is allowed there perhaps?
The CC article states that they now have 106 seats, so one possible seating arrangement would be 80 seats: dinning areas (80 x 35) =2,600 GPD & 26 seats: B. S. (26 x 20) -520 GPD total 3,320 GPD
Like it or not Title V is in control here not water
What we have folks are apples and oranges. Her article reports on number of gallons per day of town water being allowed; up to 3,335 GPD. It appears that they are doing a great job in water conservation, using well below their daily limit.
The biggest use of water in a restaurant is cleaning & washing of pots, pans, dishes, glasses & silverware. The next is use by sanitary facilities (rest rooms), the third is cooking.
The BOH seating capacity limit comes from the current design of their septic system which using the standards in Title V, a restaurant, eat in is 35GPD per seat. It now appears that they have made an argument that the 'Bomb Shelter' seats (40) should be counted as Lounge, Tavern seats at 20 GPD. Which they feel would be allowed as no food is service is allowed there perhaps?
The CC article states that they now have 106 seats, so one possible seating arrangement would be 80 seats: dinning areas (80 x 35) =2,600 GPD & 26 seats: B. S. (26 x 20) -520 GPD total 3,320 GPD
Like it or not Title V is in control here not water
cw rice [Member] writes:
I have had clients in the restaurant business, national chains, off Cape, that have very accurate numbers on waste water flows as its metered before it leaves the building to go to either private or municipal waste water treatment plants. In every case the daily waste water flows were below the Title V standard of 35 GPD for a restaurant, eat in
In one case we presented this information to DEP for a waiver from the 35GPD rate to a lower yearly daily average number based on certified waste water meter readings, and we were told to come back after you have two plus years of data, and file a petition for relief. The WBOH hands are tied here, as well as the hands of the design engineer, Title V is the determinate standard, court cases have reaffirmed that as well.
The amount of fresh water being used is not relevant at all in this matter. It is great that they were able to tie in to new water supply as that helps them in other ways.
But the fresh water usage, or lack of it does not change the seating limits at all.
In one case we presented this information to DEP for a waiver from the 35GPD rate to a lower yearly daily average number based on certified waste water meter readings, and we were told to come back after you have two plus years of data, and file a petition for relief. The WBOH hands are tied here, as well as the hands of the design engineer, Title V is the determinate standard, court cases have reaffirmed that as well.
The amount of fresh water being used is not relevant at all in this matter. It is great that they were able to tie in to new water supply as that helps them in other ways.
But the fresh water usage, or lack of it does not change the seating limits at all.
cw rice [Member] writes:
Ms. Miller's Cape Codder article can be found here.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/wellfleet/news/x1570389175/Restaurant-s-trial-water-hook-up-going-well
http://www.wickedlocal.com/wellfleet/news/x1570389175/Restaurant-s-trial-water-hook-up-going-well
crusader [Member] writes:
Shelli,
My buzz? Ugg..wonder if buzz is gadfly and mcc they refer to as baldie? Just another flying troll in need of swatting. Tickled to see Marilyn is picking up the story. Peter R. is now on check. Let him and his friends squirm. Going out to celebrate a birthday at the capital grill with family and friends hear it's one of the best places around. Keep up the fight I hope to stop in again at the Bookstore after the oysterfest or sooner if there is an art show.
My buzz? Ugg..wonder if buzz is gadfly and mcc they refer to as baldie? Just another flying troll in need of swatting. Tickled to see Marilyn is picking up the story. Peter R. is now on check. Let him and his friends squirm. Going out to celebrate a birthday at the capital grill with family and friends hear it's one of the best places around. Keep up the fight I hope to stop in again at the Bookstore after the oysterfest or sooner if there is an art show.
cw rice [Member] writes:
Objectively, the Bookstore is in compliance and remains so, when it has 106 or fewer seats (mixed between lounge, tavern and dinning sating) or 95 or fewer dinning seats. The daily GPD standard for those seats adds up to a number of 3,325 GPD or less.
That number of seats are the only ones allowed on the premises, if there is seating in other areas that exceeds that number those areas need to be closed.
So if 20 people are on the deck, than that number of seats inside can not be used.
Not counting the outside patio (with 12 seats) there are about 116 seats on the first level and Bomb Shelter, deck ~23 seats, bar ~22 seats, dinning area ~45 seats, those are 35 GPD seats, the Bomb Shelter ~26 seats (plus 14 person bench not counted) are 20 GPD seats. So any combination of the above could be in use at one time provided they don't total represent 3,325 GPD.
Not counting the Bomb Shelter you have ~102 seats at full occupancy would use 3,570 GPD which is in excess of the permitted and agreed upon Title V flow daily rate.
The use of Town water has no bearing on the number of seats.
That number of seats are the only ones allowed on the premises, if there is seating in other areas that exceeds that number those areas need to be closed.
So if 20 people are on the deck, than that number of seats inside can not be used.
Not counting the outside patio (with 12 seats) there are about 116 seats on the first level and Bomb Shelter, deck ~23 seats, bar ~22 seats, dinning area ~45 seats, those are 35 GPD seats, the Bomb Shelter ~26 seats (plus 14 person bench not counted) are 20 GPD seats. So any combination of the above could be in use at one time provided they don't total represent 3,325 GPD.
Not counting the Bomb Shelter you have ~102 seats at full occupancy would use 3,570 GPD which is in excess of the permitted and agreed upon Title V flow daily rate.
The use of Town water has no bearing on the number of seats.
pleasant pointer [Member] writes:
Again I listen to defense for someone who thumbs his nose at the town & its laws. A BS waitress told me in June the Mrs P said "hang in there it will be business as usual once this calms down"....They were never going to comply~~play ignorant and keep doing what they do.. Every law suit he files, extra town meetings are paid for by the town..YOUR TAXES.. The owners of Capt Higgins had to pay legal fees for his bogus lawsuit and how it affected his cottage.. The Pearl is gone and is NOT the cause of his actions. He brought this on himself. He thinks he is bigger than all you and acts that way..and whines we he gets caught and blames others...He is breaking the law and thinking the town is dumb enough not to care. He could have had town water and the septic fixed many yrs ago~too much $$..So for 19 yrs he's done it his way,never mind the health risk to his customers.. Is it going to take a lawsuit from a customer who gets sick to put an end to his actions. You all should care and keep watching to make sure he complies. Is he paying for the hookup? Kudos to MS Greenberg!!
crusader [Member] writes:
Wonder if PR is getting a paycheck for trying to sink the bookstore. Since he claims to be a PI for hire what kind of PI work? Now you are hoping someone will get sick and sue? Haven't you heard? They are in compliance! Go find another local to harass for your Richistan bistro you might find payback.
pleasant pointer [Member] writes:
Continuing.. As to Shelli's comments about the 2 restaurants... How would she know. BS has never been a good neighbor to CH.. That's a crock!! They are competitors. An old bookstore turned into a restaurant with second rate food.. I would like to see the permits that were pulled and approved on His additions.
The lawsuit was directed at Captain Higgins & their owners on a property abutted already by 2 restaurants, a fish market, many dumpsters and old boats...CH is across the street. Zoned two family, yet multitudes of kids living there.Enforced~~NO.
As a partial owner, it was the perfect ruse for Him to stop competition to his families restaurant. Nothing more. It backfired when attention turned to Him and all the issues and laws he was breaking. He was and still IS polluting your marshland. What is it going to take? You have the power to do whats right! Town checked the septic at his cottage by the pier? Inquiring minds want to know. Everyone including MP and his family should play by the same rules as other businesses~Fair is fair ~approved for 95 seat~Deal with it!!!
The lawsuit was directed at Captain Higgins & their owners on a property abutted already by 2 restaurants, a fish market, many dumpsters and old boats...CH is across the street. Zoned two family, yet multitudes of kids living there.Enforced~~NO.
As a partial owner, it was the perfect ruse for Him to stop competition to his families restaurant. Nothing more. It backfired when attention turned to Him and all the issues and laws he was breaking. He was and still IS polluting your marshland. What is it going to take? You have the power to do whats right! Town checked the septic at his cottage by the pier? Inquiring minds want to know. Everyone including MP and his family should play by the same rules as other businesses~Fair is fair ~approved for 95 seat~Deal with it!!!
crusader [Member] writes:
Inquiring minds want to know- since we are on the topic ... Just to name a few ... Are all in compliance or just those who don't have connections to never warrant inspection? Horizons, Dolphin, Baxters, Clancys, place by whychmere the Orleans lawyers hang out name escapes me.. really left an impression, double dragon, Think chatham, beachcomer, half of Ptown? Are all in compliance? Others I missed?
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Oh My God! What an UNPLEASANT Pointer! Again, the Pearl could not open as a restaurant because of a BYLAW. We all know that because we had to go to a town meeting and VOTE so it could be a restaurant! You are just spouting poison because you've been led to believe what Mr. Robbins WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE. Nothing would make you happier than to see someone get SICK? Do you hear yourself? Do you see what you are doing for your argument??? Nothing! MY experience was that the two restaurants worked together in the past. DONT TELL ME OTHERWISE. And how would YOU know? What is it that makes YOU so miserable that someone getting sick would just MAKE YOUR DAY? This is the kind of sick mentality that Mr. Robbins has as "followers" of his "blogcrap". Mr Robbins is an antagonist and this is the result of his BLOGCRAP. Now he has caused the BOH to be investigated, and every single restaurant in town to be put under a microscope. I dont know what you're talking about "Lawsuits". Up to now, there's none that I know of, but Mr Robbins sure is looking to incite one.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
PI for hire! That is laughable because I have a file of all of his "investigating" and it sure isnt a very good resume!
crusader [Member] writes:
Keep in mind large crowds lots of frequent turn over many dishes lots of flushing toilets ... Here's another ... Capt Parkers? Anyone want to add don't let me stop you. And I haven't even mentioned FALMOUTH! Anything there?
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
The unpleasant pointer wants "what is fair- is fair" huh? Is that what you really want? Do you want every restaurant in town to be looked at? I dont think so....think about it.
Seems there is alot more PAIN in the Hollow then there is Pleasant on the Point. Go Point your nasty finger somewhere else, Sport.
Seems there is alot more PAIN in the Hollow then there is Pleasant on the Point. Go Point your nasty finger somewhere else, Sport.
possee [Member] writes:
crusader
Remember when Mass ave (all the way to Huntington Ave) was considered a slum area,left to disrepair and devaluation?
Investors came in, rebuilt the entire area, and now it's Brownstone.ville
A prime area for the well heeled.
Well the same goes for the Cape.
Mashpee was considered the section 8 slum of the Cape.Same deal.
Now..
McMansions abutting fragile estuaries and harbors
(once teeming with oysters, clams, fish,wildlife)
now teeming with sewerage..
while the tiny summer cottages are being bought, torn down, for the elite.
..and no natural wildlife.
Just follow the money on all issues.
Money paves the way, circumventing all zoning,sanitation,etc..
No matter where one lives.
Remember when Mass ave (all the way to Huntington Ave) was considered a slum area,left to disrepair and devaluation?
Investors came in, rebuilt the entire area, and now it's Brownstone.ville
A prime area for the well heeled.
Well the same goes for the Cape.
Mashpee was considered the section 8 slum of the Cape.Same deal.
Now..
McMansions abutting fragile estuaries and harbors
(once teeming with oysters, clams, fish,wildlife)
now teeming with sewerage..
while the tiny summer cottages are being bought, torn down, for the elite.
..and no natural wildlife.
Just follow the money on all issues.
Money paves the way, circumventing all zoning,sanitation,etc..
No matter where one lives.
crusader [Member] writes:
You are so right possee. Cape wildlife and natural resources was what brought me there and just a few good people I will miss. But still rather be here, a poster said who's leaving "too many sell drugs to supplement income, some you would never guess and where almost everyone is a potential thief". When wallstreet crashes as predicted they will abandon their evil castles in the sand, people who cherish the land will have it back. City is use to the bulldozer -not for the Cape. PR should produce a report of list. If not, there is no justification in this lynching of the bookstore. Driving out a long time business owner who is forced to deal with same septic issues as others is unfair & should be illegal. They are slandering a business owner at the peak of season. I could name a few who have done far worse in shady business practices. But I bet they make contributions to the wrong causes. Money makes the world go round. Baxters is where Teddy hangs out and the place has no foundation so where does it all go? As the rest.
marcopolo [Member] writes:
Possee, they use that are of mass ave you spoke about as an example of gentrification in most major universities that study urban issues. A professor told me "the problem with mass ave was, the poor were way to close to the rich, so something had to be done". That does not help the fact many still consider Boston a racist city.McMansions are crazy, why these people want these giant houses for what two weeks of vacation? We are going back to the middle ages in the USA... Surfs, peasants and landowners....nothing has changed exept the peasants are too busy and distracted to realize what is happening.
277,000 families lost their homes in July 08...not good.Crusader, I never heard again about the boat trip....how did it go!
277,000 families lost their homes in July 08...not good.Crusader, I never heard again about the boat trip....how did it go!
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Morning Crusader and Shelli,
I read the last post of the professor from Everett, and I need a bit of clarification.
"DRIVING OUT A LONG TIME BUSINESS OWNER WHO IS FORCED TO DEAL WITH THE SAME SEPTIC ISSUES AS OTHERS IS UNFAIR AND SHOULD BE ILLEGAL"
Can someone explain that one. I don't think the place is being slandered at the peak of the season. Which season are we talking about??? Starting in 1987, there have been at least 20 seasons to "slander"
Cru, take a logic course. You don't make much sense.
I read the last post of the professor from Everett, and I need a bit of clarification.
"DRIVING OUT A LONG TIME BUSINESS OWNER WHO IS FORCED TO DEAL WITH THE SAME SEPTIC ISSUES AS OTHERS IS UNFAIR AND SHOULD BE ILLEGAL"
Can someone explain that one. I don't think the place is being slandered at the peak of the season. Which season are we talking about??? Starting in 1987, there have been at least 20 seasons to "slander"
Cru, take a logic course. You don't make much sense.
crusader [Member] writes:
Dog = PR you should quit while behind. You have lost this one long ago and too dumb to know it. Wellfleet won't change as long as the civil activists residents remain.some are cambridge fellows. LOL Its one coastal town that is smart enough not to let in the Richistan bulldozer. Maybe go check on baxters toilets instead ...would you dare?
crusader [Member] writes:
Marco,
No boatride yet.
Wallstreet journal article stated 330,000 have left the state, I say its more. 45% want to abolish state tax, a snowball in hell has a better chance. Racism is everywhere but minorities still have more opportunites and freedom here than on alibaster island. Rich snobs I try to avoid. They are a plauge to our democracy. Hedge fund tanking has them quivering. I pray for restabilization in this country. The reason for mcmansions is no faith in wallstreet, hiding tax payments, and laundered money has to go somewhere.
No boatride yet.
Wallstreet journal article stated 330,000 have left the state, I say its more. 45% want to abolish state tax, a snowball in hell has a better chance. Racism is everywhere but minorities still have more opportunites and freedom here than on alibaster island. Rich snobs I try to avoid. They are a plauge to our democracy. Hedge fund tanking has them quivering. I pray for restabilization in this country. The reason for mcmansions is no faith in wallstreet, hiding tax payments, and laundered money has to go somewhere.
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clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
HEY! I gotchya "personal attacks and Slanderous whole blog" right HEEYA!
Along with some personal vendetta and outright LIES.
Along with some personal vendetta and outright LIES.
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