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The truth about wind turbines: Size matters

From Jay Leno's on the west coast, to Alliance director's Christy Mihos' on the east coast, the results are in for small roof-mounted wind turbines.  They're just blowin' in the wind.

The situation came to a head recently when Massachusetts suspended a rebate program for small wind turbine projects, causing, in one case, Mashpee Commons to reconsider its proposal to mount rooftop turbines in the shopping center.  The Massachusetts Technology Collaborative, which oversees the state's major alternative energy programs, canceled the small wind initiatives because the turbines it has funded produce far less energy than originally estimated.

A sampling of the 19 small wind turbines installed using MTC grants shows an actual average power output of only 27 percent of that estimated, with the high being 59 percent and the low an abysmal 2 percent.

 The low power results from three causes:  a) Turbine manufacturers overstate the capacity of their turbines.  b) Site maps overstate the wind speeds at the various locations.  c) The turbine heights are far too low.

There are small turbines at Logan Airport.  These have underperformed.  Ditto for small turbines at Brooklyn Navy Yard.  New York City's Mayor Bloomberg has proposed dotting the city with them.  A good public relations ploy, but experts say these small turbines generate so little electricity that the economics may never make sense.

On the west coast, Jay Leno has installed a wind turbine on the garage where he works on his extensive and exquisite classic automobile and motorcycle collection.  It hasn't generated much electricity, but Leno (in whose No. 1 parking slot at NBC studios I once parked my rental car--just long enough to attract the attention of the security guards) is taking it on the chin.

On the east coast, Christy Mihos, a director of the anti-Cape Wind farm Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound, has installed three rooftop turbines on a Christy's convenience store in West Yarmouth.  Cape & Islands Self-Reliance Corporation Executive Director Megan Amsler says, "I have been trying to get information on their performance and getting nowhere."  Joe Feraci of NSTAR Electric says, "To my knowledge only one of Christy's turbines is on-line."

In a net-metering state like Massachusetts, where you can sell excess electricity back to the grid, that says only one thing:  They're expensive pinwheels.

To Christy's credit, he has now publicly acknowledged his rooftop turbines are underperforming and blames it on their height, which is limited by local ordnance.  However, the causes for the low power generated are the three previously stated, which include low height.  It's possible that Christy, Leno, and all others who bought rooftop wind turbines may have been snookered by the sellers, who should have made a thorough and honest site analysis.  Caveat emptor.

Not all small wind turbines underperform, however.  Bob Chew, president of WindWrights in Bristol, RI, does not bother with rooftop wind turbines, but sells and installs larger and taller tower-mounted residential and commercial turbines "as a reliable supplement to existing power sources."

Even with these he is very cautious.  He says, "The bottom of the blades should be at least thirty feet higher than nearby trees or buildings.  Our minimum tower height is sixty feet, with about one hundred feet being the norm."

Chew says, "We analyze the turbines of various manufacturers before we sell any and make sure our customers are getting the expected output."  When I asked him about rooftop installations, he said, "The jury is still out."  I expect it will be out for some time.

Which brings us to the proposed Nantucket Sound wind farm in Massachusetts and the other wind farm installations proposed off the coast of Rhode Island.  It is obvious that the electricity we require can best be generated by such large-scale wind farms.  Cape Wind alone, in Nantucket Sound, will generate an equivalent of 75 percent of the electricity used by all of Cape Cod. 

Fighting wind farms and putting up pinwheels doesn't make much sense.  The simple lesson to be learned here about electricity-generating wind turbines is:  Size matters.

16 comments
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09/24/08 @ 1:24 pm
christy at christy's [Member] writes:
have never been contacted by Ms. Amsler for any information; never. If that is all the town will permit, that's all you get Solon; it is what it is. have permits for more installations.
again--no good deed goes unpunished.
09/24/08 @ 1:26 pm
stretto [Member] writes:
...But, but - we are the Saudi Arabia of wind ?
09/24/08 @ 1:43 pm
Solon [Member] writes:
Sorry you took that as criticism, Christy. I thought it was clear that it was not. I know you were putting these up in good faith--in fact, I even wrote a piece lauding you on them. (Did you miss that one?)

It is the fact that performance info on them, when it is finally gathered, indicates they do not meet the sellers' claims. All 19 examined by the MTC underperformed, the best being 59 percent of what was expected, and the worst being an almost non-existent 2 percent. I am all for them IF they worked.

But all three factors I mentioned--exaggerated claims by manufacturers, erroneous wind site data, and insufficient height--leads me to believe the sellers have not been completely honest. It was not you or Leno or the others I have been criticizing. You did what you did in good faith.

I believe--in the nicest way I can say it--that the sellers were in a rush to sell these turbines without doing their homework.
09/24/08 @ 3:04 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Solon..."Cape Wind alone, in Nantucket Sound, will generate an equivalent of 75 percent of the electricity used by all of Cape Cod".

Can you guarantee that statement?

Or are you and Peck "just blowin' in the wind".
09/24/08 @ 4:58 pm
christy at christy's [Member] writes:
no offense at all---and I appreciate your past piece on them. We have other sites we are installing them and other tubines at. When we see the best for our limited application we'll make a decision. Solon---honest story. We had a store in Andover and Jay Leno's mum and dad were great customers of the Christy's---so my wife Anti and I are in LV in the late 80s at a trade show and we meet Jay Leno who at the time was an up and coming comic. When we were introduced he went wild in that his mother always sent him to the store to get groceries and he had was naming our people at the store who were nice to him and his parents. He is a wonderful story and its great to see his success. Thanks for mentioning us in the same piece. All the best---
09/24/08 @ 6:27 pm
possee [Member] writes:
75% of Cape Cod's electric current usage?..Really?
And since we are on Cape Cod, will we receive that 75% and a what cost compared to the current NSTAR rate?
Obviously a huge decrease due to the total lack of dependence from oil...correct?

possee
09/24/08 @ 7:41 pm
Peter Kenney [Member] writes:
Solon...so, size matters? Glad to hear it. Cape Wind specified the GE 3.6s (3.6MW0 wind turbine) to MMS. This information is clearly stated in the Cape Wind DEIS, see section 2.1.1; read it and weep. Funny thing is that GE decided four years ago to discontinue this turbine, although it still appears on their web site. The U. of Delaware and KPMG " Wind Farms in Europe" a report from 2007) and others have openly described the GE 3.6s as "discontinued".

So, what the heck is Jim Gordon going to use, times 130? Well, the only other manufacturer of a 3.6MW wind turbine in the world is Siemens and according to what I was told last Friday when I called their office they will not sell their units in the U.S. the exact answer was, "Oh, I don't think so."

Gee....no turbines available at that size....maybe the whole DEIS has to be redone to account for vastly changed specifications? OUCH. Maybe that is why that investigator for Department of Interior Inspector General has been asking questions.

Mark Rogers won't answer my e-mails. I think he better answer the next guy who calls.

OOPS!
09/24/08 @ 8:00 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Leno: "My wind turbine almost offsets my 75 car and motorcycle collection."
09/24/08 @ 10:21 pm
barbaradurkin [Member] writes:
Peter,

I'm in favor of a turbine-less Cape Wind.

The Principal Engineer of National Renewable Energy Laboratory NREL, Walter Musial, stated to audience of approximately 300 attendants, at the last week's AWEA conference, that GE 3.6 turbines are commercially inactive; and the last and only use was in 2003, at the GE demo project offshore Denmark, Arklow.

As is also represented on page 15 of this document forward under "Offshore Wind Turbine Suppliers".

http://tlc.usm.maine.edu
/2_Musial_Offshore%20renewables-UMaine-V2.pdf

GE 3.6 MW offshore wind turbine status:

"General Electric 3.6sl (discontinued). Capacity 3.6 MW, rotor diameter 111 m. Hub height 75 m (from Cape Wind design specs). Seven 3.6s units producing power offshore at Arklow Bank since June 2004. See product brochure for GE 3.6sl. Based on experience at Arklow, GE had a set of engineering modifications to make for serial production of an offshore machine, but the company has to date decided not to compete in this market."

http://www.ocean.udel.edu/
windpower/hardware.html
09/24/08 @ 10:34 pm
smahkcep [Visitor] writes:
Poor CAPE WIND!...

Oh no GE 3.6's to be had...

What are they going to doooooooooo?

A Stupid Question...

To ask / or consider...

As relevent.

Simply 'Fear-mongering' at best.
09/24/08 @ 10:58 pm
excaper [Member] writes:
Fear-mongering? I guess Cape Wind supporters, like Cape Wind, should be afraid, very afraid. They no longer have the turbines and have just been stopped cold on the possible financing. Of course Cristy has the right idea. Bravo. These small projects are what is needed not a giant erecter set that will do nothing for the residents of the Cape and Islands but ruin their most precious natural resource and raise their electric bills..
09/24/08 @ 11:59 pm
smahkcep [Visitor] writes:
excaper, like the wind...

There will always be idiots.

Don't be afraid, it's ok...

We understand.
09/25/08 @ 7:33 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
The ACME Turbo Turner 2000 is a perfect replacement for the GE 3.6. Wiley Coyote used one to catch the Road Runner with no problem.
09/25/08 @ 7:36 am
smahkcep [Visitor] writes:
Darn you Buzz!...

CAPE WIND has been trying to keep that under the RADAR screen...

And now you go and let the turbine out of the narcelle.

Double shame on you!
09/25/08 @ 7:41 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
mmmmmm...beep beep........
09/25/08 @ 7:45 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
If you'd like to see the Tower for the Acme 2000, it can be seen here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJJW7EF5aVk
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SolonSolon Economou, a frequent Op Ed Page contributor to The Providence Journal and a former Cape Cod Times columnist, is a retired professional engineer and military officer, former physics teacher and training developer. He's been writing professionally for over 20 years. Solon's opinions are strictly my own, so if you don't agree with them, don't blame anybody else.

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