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The Veep Debate and the Bailout
10/03/08 · 12:10 am :: posted by Democrant
"Well golly gee, we're gonna be mavericks for ya!" With a folksy charm, Sarah Palin did little to demonstrate anything other than the ability to handle rehearsed generalities in a way that people find likeable. Joe Biden connected on both levels, he was personable and clearly showed a better knowledge of issues (and John McCain's record) than did Sarah Palin.
It's fair to say she exceeded expectations, if for no other reason than expectations were so low. There's a reason why Palin said she does not answer questions the way people want, she simply cannot. The number of times she turned back to energy on any number of questions, was telling. She should have been pressed further on her straddling the climate issue, as she has stated before it was not man made. And the reality is that drilling will not make a significant dent in the price we pay for oil.
It will be interesting to see whether her fundamental agreement with Biden on the rights of gay partners, will stand as is. Biden also pointed out he was glad to see her on board for taxes on windfall profits on oil companies, since McCain wants to give them more breaks.
So while she was likeable and didn't have any deer in the headlight moments, the CNN post debate poll went Biden 51-38. CBS' poll of uncommitteds went 46-21 to Biden and uncommitteds moved 18% to Obama, 10% to McCain. Palin may have stopped the bleeding amongst the GOP true believers, but where it counted, the night was Biden's.
I had to throw the bailout issue in here. The more I hear, the less I like it, and that goes especially for the bill that passed the Senate. That irritation I have goes to Obama as well as McCain. Aside from the continued lack of remedy for Main Street, versus Wall Street, the Senate version was aided by including a number of pork barrel spending items. I would have respected both men more had they voted against it on that principle.
Kudos to Congressman Delahunt for remaining opposed to the bailout for these fundamental reasons.
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10/03/08 @ 12:29 am
Ned [Member] writes:
Deer-in-the-headlights, lowered expectations? Well, I link a lot to Salon Dot Com and DailyKos, too... repeating talking points is what the Blogosphere's all about, but... maybe work on some fresh catchphrases, Democrant. No, they didn't agree on gay marriage beyond both ducking the concept. Biden's for civil unions which would help with adoptions and such... and Palin, like Ahmedinejad, when forced to take a stand in public, will oppose execution for gay couples... but says don't take those hospital visits for granted... they're a privilege not a right! Again-- Wall Street/Main Street... Polly wanna cracker? I'm totally with you politically, Democrant but try to develop a snappier style, dude.
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estherandson [Member] writes:
From where I sit in Arizona their are so many people bitter about this campaign. Sarah Palin is all window dressing. She maintains her full support for the Bush Doctrine, and Dick Cheney. The people here see Palin as they want to see her, also J.McCain.
Her attitude is false. A thin devious inner personality that draws people to her like bees. She is believable. She does not know the answers. An Attractive lady people wanted for the Oval office.
She fakes it! They do not want to see through her. A great salesman.She sells herself well.
I am older than John McCain. His medical records are out.At 81 I am in better health than he is.
Joe Biden, a very down to earth leader.
He too has a health problem. Had Aneurysms ! He is fine now.
That is like a time bomb in one's body.
Sarah Palin does not even know what the Supreme Court has or is working on
If the Republicans cared more,they would make her an intern,or a chief assistant to the office of Vice President and Prepare her for 2012. She is out of her class.! Palin is Not qualified for VP. Obama/Biden will pull ahead.
Her attitude is false. A thin devious inner personality that draws people to her like bees. She is believable. She does not know the answers. An Attractive lady people wanted for the Oval office.
She fakes it! They do not want to see through her. A great salesman.She sells herself well.
I am older than John McCain. His medical records are out.At 81 I am in better health than he is.
Joe Biden, a very down to earth leader.
He too has a health problem. Had Aneurysms ! He is fine now.
That is like a time bomb in one's body.
Sarah Palin does not even know what the Supreme Court has or is working on
If the Republicans cared more,they would make her an intern,or a chief assistant to the office of Vice President and Prepare her for 2012. She is out of her class.! Palin is Not qualified for VP. Obama/Biden will pull ahead.
crusader [Member] writes:
Esther you said it! Gov of Alaska should remain a hockey mom and get ready for grandkids. She would not answer questions posed by JoeB. McCain approved to deregulate, she couldn't handle it, Exxon's 600 billion tax cuts! 4 billion more slotted? WHAT! After all they stole at the gas pumps! McCain doesn't know difference between Islamic groups who are at war? Does he have dementia? Like Joe said, "their ultimate bridge to nowhere"...5k for healthcare to families goes to ins companies who will keep raising premiums. War costs 10 billion a month, time for 80 bill. Rich Iraq. To form their own govt. Bring troops home. Palin showed her Bush feathers. Joe knows what is going on, she is a distraction by rep who don't want their gravytrain to stop flowing. Power to the People! Vote Obama!
capemom [Member] writes:
She came across sounding like a Miss America top ten finalist answering the question: "If you could change anything about the world, what would it be and why?"
She'd be good as a news anchor on a local affiliate station, or as the owner of a small business, maybe even as the mayor in a small town in a small state.
She'd be good as a news anchor on a local affiliate station, or as the owner of a small business, maybe even as the mayor in a small town in a small state.
jbcape26 [Member] writes:
Why don't you mention that awful Barney Frank and how he got us into this. Both sides caused this and the most horrible thing is the items added on to the Bail out bill (they now call it rescue Bill)
I do like Biden and Palin better than either of their running mates but I am not voting for OBAMA. All he can do is promise what he is going to change and he will not be able to change ANYTHING
I do like Biden and Palin better than either of their running mates but I am not voting for OBAMA. All he can do is promise what he is going to change and he will not be able to change ANYTHING
Democrant [Member] writes:
Ummm Ned, I rarely go to Kos or Salon, thanks. And writing at midnight when I get up at 4:30, I wasn't gunning for the Pulitzer at that hour. And you can stand to read a little better also, I never said anything about gay marriage, and neither did they. As far as the bailout, watching Lou Dobbs last night got my dander going on that.
Besides, when writing about Sarah Palin, you can only rise so far above the material ;).
My thought for the morning was that it was rather scary that 38% of those polled thought she did better than Biden. I guess there is a certain audience in America that is impressed that Alaska has oil? Surely it's not a yahoo factor....
Also from the CNN poll, one place where the difference between Biden and Palin comes out is from the following:
"On the question of the candidates' qualifications to assume the presidency, 87 percent of those polled said Biden is qualified and 42 percent said Palin is qualified."
Game, set and match.
Besides, when writing about Sarah Palin, you can only rise so far above the material ;).
My thought for the morning was that it was rather scary that 38% of those polled thought she did better than Biden. I guess there is a certain audience in America that is impressed that Alaska has oil? Surely it's not a yahoo factor....
Also from the CNN poll, one place where the difference between Biden and Palin comes out is from the following:
"On the question of the candidates' qualifications to assume the presidency, 87 percent of those polled said Biden is qualified and 42 percent said Palin is qualified."
Game, set and match.
Democrant [Member] writes:
JB... covered that already. For abut the18th time, I've said there is plenty to go around on both sides. Now rather than repeat the freeper talking points, ask why George Bush could not pass a bill to supposedly regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under a GOP Congress? When the Dems took the House in '06 elections, a bill was passed by May '07.
And by the way, good strategy. Take the cynical view that nothing can ever change, so might as well stay with the solid foundation of policies we've had from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave the past 7 1/2 years. That's worked out so well!
And by the way, good strategy. Take the cynical view that nothing can ever change, so might as well stay with the solid foundation of policies we've had from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave the past 7 1/2 years. That's worked out so well!
Buzz [Member] writes:
Dem,
Agree with you on the pork in the bailout. Politics as usual.
Sarah (according to the overnight polls) may have lost the debate, she did better than expected and was a breath of fresh air. Can the Obama camp give us something more than "change" or "4 more years of Bush" come on, what the hell do they stand for?
It was nice of Nee-DY the self-important wannabe to correct you, he has a habit of doing that....he's so important. Just be privileged that he took the time from gnawing on a juicy McElbow to take the time to set you straight.
Agree with you on the pork in the bailout. Politics as usual.
Sarah (according to the overnight polls) may have lost the debate, she did better than expected and was a breath of fresh air. Can the Obama camp give us something more than "change" or "4 more years of Bush" come on, what the hell do they stand for?
It was nice of Nee-DY the self-important wannabe to correct you, he has a habit of doing that....he's so important. Just be privileged that he took the time from gnawing on a juicy McElbow to take the time to set you straight.
Ned [Member] writes:
A troll says,in a resentful manner, that I'm important. He/she evidently seeks a redistribution of Regional MicroCelebrity status. Maybe his/her pal at the Cape Cod Commission can help him/her in his/her quest for Socialite Justice.
Democrant [Member] writes:
Buzz- breath of fresh air? She didn't say anything. And you are welcome to go to barackobama.com and spend the day reading position papers. If all you want to do is catch buzz phrases, no pun intended, that's all you'll get.
Ned [Member] writes:
It sounded like Biden said something a little weasley, along the lines of, 'marriage per se is up to the particular churches of the gays involved, but we're offering civil union which is just as good'...
beantownsweet [Member] writes:
Can we talk about “Joe Sixpack” and the fact that this perjorative is continually being used in a race-baiting way — appealing to the poor, Southern or Midwestern white person (perhaps mainly male) with no higher education than high school and a distrust of anything “other” or let me be specific if Sarah Palin and John McCain will not –non white.
I am growing tired of Sarah’s suggestion that she is for the “Average American” and then calling that person the equivalent of white trash (which is a term I’ve always hated because it implies that the trash is still “good” cause it happens to be white). She DOES NOT reflect or understand the America that we are a part of today — diverse and intellectual, innovative and strong. She MOST CERTAINLY needs to stop speaking for “me”, that’s for “dang” –that’s for you, Sarah - sure.
I am growing tired of Sarah’s suggestion that she is for the “Average American” and then calling that person the equivalent of white trash (which is a term I’ve always hated because it implies that the trash is still “good” cause it happens to be white). She DOES NOT reflect or understand the America that we are a part of today — diverse and intellectual, innovative and strong. She MOST CERTAINLY needs to stop speaking for “me”, that’s for “dang” –that’s for you, Sarah - sure.
Buzz [Member] writes:
Hey beantown,
I'm "your typical white person" who enjoys a good Bud now and then and "god-dang-it" I'm not bothered by it.
I'm "your typical white person" who enjoys a good Bud now and then and "god-dang-it" I'm not bothered by it.
Buzz [Member] writes:
dem,
Likewise, go to McCain's web site and see his positions and how they different from the "catch-phrase" of Biden last night on how he's just "4 more years of Bush"
Remember, this is coming from the guy that didn't think that Obama "was qualified to be President". Here are a few other tidbits from Biden....my how things have changed. That's called "politics as usual.
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,”
he doubts whether American voters are going to elect “a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,”
“My impression is [Obama] thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany” of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. “I’ve seen zero evidence of that.”
“The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.”
Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: “Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.”
Likewise, go to McCain's web site and see his positions and how they different from the "catch-phrase" of Biden last night on how he's just "4 more years of Bush"
Remember, this is coming from the guy that didn't think that Obama "was qualified to be President". Here are a few other tidbits from Biden....my how things have changed. That's called "politics as usual.
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,”
he doubts whether American voters are going to elect “a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,”
“My impression is [Obama] thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany” of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. “I’ve seen zero evidence of that.”
“The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.”
Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: “Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.”
Buzz [Member] writes:
Nee-Dy says: "Maybe his/her pal at the Cape Cod Commission can help him/her in his/her quest for Socialite Justice"
Once again...huh? Don't know a single person on the commission. But I like your spunk. Back to the drawing board.
PS I need my" fix" of cartoon nipples....can you set me up man?
Once again...huh? Don't know a single person on the commission. But I like your spunk. Back to the drawing board.
PS I need my" fix" of cartoon nipples....can you set me up man?
beantownsweet [Member] writes:
Hey, Buzz...newsflash: The rest of America doesn't act or even look like YOU anymore. That's the point...Give me a president and VP who want to uplift everyone, and not just the pickup truck driving, Bud drinking, Appalachians that it seems, according to Palin/McCain are the "true" Americans.
Democrant [Member] writes:
Buzz- I'm well aware of what McCain says now, versus his voting record and statements over the past 26 years. Casting himself as the populist protector against corporate America is not only putting lipstick on a pig, it adds on a pedicure and perhaps a lovely bonnet. Biden had it right on the mark, listing all the ways that McCain is NOT a maverick, based on McCain's record.
You know Beantown, I don't know what America looks like, but I do know that depending on where one lives, it is easy to see things in terms of class warfare. There are all sorts of ways that "those" people have been villified over the years, fill in whatever demographic you want. It really doesn't solve anything. There are a lot of people that I disagree with, even vehemently, but I hope it's not class warfare.
Though it is a funny thought that McCain, owner of 8 houses and 13 cars, would appeal to a demographic anything close to what you described.
You know Beantown, I don't know what America looks like, but I do know that depending on where one lives, it is easy to see things in terms of class warfare. There are all sorts of ways that "those" people have been villified over the years, fill in whatever demographic you want. It really doesn't solve anything. There are a lot of people that I disagree with, even vehemently, but I hope it's not class warfare.
Though it is a funny thought that McCain, owner of 8 houses and 13 cars, would appeal to a demographic anything close to what you described.
beantownsweet [Member] writes:
This has been an election about fear of the "other" or as it has been coded a "fear of change". I do see a great deal of class warfare coming into the politcal arena. Much is made about how Palin connects with the "hockey moms" and "Joe Sixpacks" of America, and while they are rightfully a part of the American landscape that make up a one part of it, and it is a part that according to statistics is becoming more of a minority each day. Instead of "Joe Six Pack" (which if you think about it, is not an image that we need projected globally -- most of the world thinks we're arrogant, lazy, overweight drunkards ), they --Palin and McCain-- could talk to a greater core -- the Middleclass. You know who makes up the middle class? People from every race, creed, educational background. They forget we exist and apparently think we won't be out voting too on Nov. 14th.
Democrant [Member] writes:
I would say that Palin is being packaged and portrays herself as, I don't know, the common person? I don't see how anyone could see that in McCain, from a serious look at the man's history. Sure Palin comes across as someone you would see at the rink or soccer field, rooting their kid on. I would also say that most of us that do that with our kids, aren't necessarily qualified for the vice presidency.
murrbuck [Member] writes:
I'm just surprised they didn't have her come out in a gingham dress holding a hot apple pie.
Ned [Member] writes:
Buzz I'm sure that there are plenty of back issues of JUGGS from around the turn of the century out there on EBay. Obtaining fresh product however, would entail your emergence from the closet.
crusader [Member] writes:
Referring to middle America as "hockey moms & Joe Sixpack" is an insult.
She's no gingham dress...more like a Bush shark dressed in business attire. What a phoney....she talked the talk, but can't walk the walk..the lack of fine tune language skills for a vp speech....she spoke about Wallstreet corruption, what about her own alleged corruption? Did she really get her brother-in-law state cop fired because her sister didn't like the guy anymore? What a joke. Is this the best the Rep. Party could throw on the table? 5 weeks? They couldn't find a Rep. woman more qualified? Come on...maybe the rep. really want McCain to lose. If the Dem's brought out a Polly pure bread with only five weeks training for vp position, you guys would have them for dinner. But just because she puts on the makeup and smiles in the camera doesn't mean she can cook. Wake up. Joe Biden is our best bet. He's got 25 years in the senate, exp. of foreign policy under his belt in, lot more than pathetic hockeymom.
Drill for oil in her state or push for renewable energy? That's why they want her, oil in Alaska.
She's no gingham dress...more like a Bush shark dressed in business attire. What a phoney....she talked the talk, but can't walk the walk..the lack of fine tune language skills for a vp speech....she spoke about Wallstreet corruption, what about her own alleged corruption? Did she really get her brother-in-law state cop fired because her sister didn't like the guy anymore? What a joke. Is this the best the Rep. Party could throw on the table? 5 weeks? They couldn't find a Rep. woman more qualified? Come on...maybe the rep. really want McCain to lose. If the Dem's brought out a Polly pure bread with only five weeks training for vp position, you guys would have them for dinner. But just because she puts on the makeup and smiles in the camera doesn't mean she can cook. Wake up. Joe Biden is our best bet. He's got 25 years in the senate, exp. of foreign policy under his belt in, lot more than pathetic hockeymom.
Drill for oil in her state or push for renewable energy? That's why they want her, oil in Alaska.
Democrant [Member] writes:
I must say I did read an interesting article this morning, now I forget where, speculating on how much better off McCain would be nationally if he had picked Romney. Given the economic crisis, he would have been far better served with Romney, and McCain wouldn't be pulling out of Michigan.
Buzz [Member] writes:
beantown says: "The rest of America doesn't act or even look like YOU anymore"
Love the elitist attitude....where did you get it? McCain/Palin speak to the America that my parents knew, that I know and hope my kids will come to know. And I'm not embarrassed by that in the least. It's what made this country great and will continue to do so. If I wanted to eat brie and sip chardonnay and practice socialism, I'd move to Norway.
Love the elitist attitude....where did you get it? McCain/Palin speak to the America that my parents knew, that I know and hope my kids will come to know. And I'm not embarrassed by that in the least. It's what made this country great and will continue to do so. If I wanted to eat brie and sip chardonnay and practice socialism, I'd move to Norway.
Buzz [Member] writes:
Who won the debate?
AOL Poll: Palin 47% Biden 45%.
AOL Poll: Palin 47% Biden 45%.
Buzz [Member] writes:
Not bad for someone only 5 weeks into the process up against a life long poll. Hell, the other guy said Obama doesn't have the qualifications to be President.
Democrant [Member] writes:
lol, AOL poll.... oh come on, you know how those polls go... "hurry! go to and vote for so and so in the online poll!" Very scientific.
Bean and Buzz, enjoy your class warfare. As always, one can find a stereotype anecdotally to support anything, but like all stereotypes, they're pretty much worthless to consider seriously.
Bean and Buzz, enjoy your class warfare. As always, one can find a stereotype anecdotally to support anything, but like all stereotypes, they're pretty much worthless to consider seriously.
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,
Call McCain today and tell him to go to this site so he can catch up:
http://hnn.us/articles/934.html
"What is the difference between Sunni and Shiite Muslims and why does it matter?"
Then tell that phoney "I'm drilling for oil for the boys in DC" hockey mom, to go get her passport and visit the world. Living next to Russia does not mean she knows its politics.
8 years of CEO's on wallstreet stealing from the American people with Bush's blessing is TOO LONG! We need a democrat in the white house who will bring this country back to normal. Taxes for the rich over $250k! Bring it on! No more bailouts for wallstreet!
Call McCain today and tell him to go to this site so he can catch up:
http://hnn.us/articles/934.html
"What is the difference between Sunni and Shiite Muslims and why does it matter?"
Then tell that phoney "I'm drilling for oil for the boys in DC" hockey mom, to go get her passport and visit the world. Living next to Russia does not mean she knows its politics.
8 years of CEO's on wallstreet stealing from the American people with Bush's blessing is TOO LONG! We need a democrat in the white house who will bring this country back to normal. Taxes for the rich over $250k! Bring it on! No more bailouts for wallstreet!
Democrant [Member] writes:
Buzz, statements are also like what I said about stereotypes. Would you like a long list of utterly ridiculous things McCain has said over the years? Hell, even in the past year, there are some whoppers. Let me know, I got them queued up.
beantownsweet [Member] writes:
Actually, Buzz...you should know me by now: Black, female, under 35, Master's educated, world traveled. And it's not elitist to say that the GOP only wants to talk to people that look like them...oh wait...that IS elitist. :)
crusader [Member] writes:
What is the difference between an investment banker and a pigeon?
A pigeon can still put a deposit on a BMW.
A pigeon can still put a deposit on a BMW.
beantownsweet [Member] writes:
Oh and according to CNN:
"The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. said 51 percent of those polled thought Biden did the best job, while 36 percent thought Palin did the best job."
Guess it just depends on which outlet you think is more credible...
"The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. said 51 percent of those polled thought Biden did the best job, while 36 percent thought Palin did the best job."
Guess it just depends on which outlet you think is more credible...
Democrant [Member] writes:
I think I would go with a scientific poll result, versus, an online poll that anyone can go to, as many times as they want? I also cited the CBS poll of undecideds in my original post. And for humor, enjoy the following-
http://www.adennak.com/archives/palinflow.gif
http://www.adennak.com/archives/palinflow.gif
Buzz [Member] writes:
Sorry Dem, should have know that AOL represents the "hockey moms & six pack drinkers" not the "real" CBS poll type's.
Glad you and others thought that Biden won the debate. Just a little confused. Do we believe the Biden of last night or the Biden that has denounced Obama and his policies for the last year? Which one do we believe and why? I'm sure you'll have the answer and it will be stunning and origingal....no catch phrases or parroting party lines for you.
Glad you and others thought that Biden won the debate. Just a little confused. Do we believe the Biden of last night or the Biden that has denounced Obama and his policies for the last year? Which one do we believe and why? I'm sure you'll have the answer and it will be stunning and origingal....no catch phrases or parroting party lines for you.
Buzz [Member] writes:
beantown (she has a masters degree) writes: "most of the world thinks we're arrogant, lazy, overweight drunkards"
Really..... is that from a CNN poll? Site your sources.
Really..... is that from a CNN poll? Site your sources.
Ned [Member] writes:
Palin's reference to a 'General McLellan in Afghanistan' may have not been entirely unintentional. General George B. McClellan was a problematic Union general in the Civil War. That was the Golden Age of Republicanism. Nixon's Southern strategy was all about re-fighting the Civil War and seizing the South back from FDR's coalition. Palin obviously has studied many of the concerns raised in Southern Partisan Magazine and its thinktank contributors...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Partisan
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1880
You may have noticed her winking several times... likewise the mention of McClellan may've been a 'nod to the base'...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Partisan
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1880
You may have noticed her winking several times... likewise the mention of McClellan may've been a 'nod to the base'...
Democrant [Member] writes:
Buzz, don't get so upset because you use a bogus poll, that you actually offered that up as legit is wildly entertaining.
Of course you're a little confused. Most people around understand campaign hyperbole. Think about how hard Mitt campaigned to get picked for veep. And now think about the rancor that existed in the primaries between those 2 campaigns. People get it, you don't. You want those quotes or not :)?
Of course you're a little confused. Most people around understand campaign hyperbole. Think about how hard Mitt campaigned to get picked for veep. And now think about the rancor that existed in the primaries between those 2 campaigns. People get it, you don't. You want those quotes or not :)?
crusader [Member] writes:
While McCain still thinks "Iraqi Terrorists"...Joe Biden and Obama understand the REAL terrorists are still in Afganistan and Pakistan. McCain has proven himself "out of touch" with the American people and world affairs.
How many homes does this guy own?
McCain's plan for the occupation in Iraq: "no end in sight".
Palin's remarks like, "those countries that don't like us", are sure to score points on the otherside of the globe.
How many homes does this guy own?
McCain's plan for the occupation in Iraq: "no end in sight".
Palin's remarks like, "those countries that don't like us", are sure to score points on the otherside of the globe.
crusader [Member] writes:
ps..Congressman Stephen Lynch remarked that the 700 billion dollar bailout is not coming out of Wallstreet, but ONLY our pockets. That is why he voted AGAINST not FOR it, as others...so what is the answer? I say tell those CEO's to give back their golden parachutes. They messed up big time, and rightly should have to give up what they have stolen.
Democrant [Member] writes:
Lynch is right on this also.
crusader [Member] writes:
Democrant,
You know I really like Stephen Lynch. He's serious about his job and I respect him for going to the middle east to see for himself what is really going on over there. I listened to him on the radio on my way to work as he was describing the shady 700 billion dollar bailout plan. S o why isn't the media explaining this package plan to the American people? And why is there "backdoor" politics prior to their vote? I see this as a double-edge sword--if we don't go along, they throw people out of jobs and out of homes. If we do go along, we will be paying for the next 20 years. So what is the answer? I worry about how rich corporate world leaders have become. Who is really running this country?
You know I really like Stephen Lynch. He's serious about his job and I respect him for going to the middle east to see for himself what is really going on over there. I listened to him on the radio on my way to work as he was describing the shady 700 billion dollar bailout plan. S o why isn't the media explaining this package plan to the American people? And why is there "backdoor" politics prior to their vote? I see this as a double-edge sword--if we don't go along, they throw people out of jobs and out of homes. If we do go along, we will be paying for the next 20 years. So what is the answer? I worry about how rich corporate world leaders have become. Who is really running this country?
bittersweet [Member] writes:
A man from New York, Bob Shultz, has filed a law-suit asking the Congress what their Constitutional authority is to do this bail-out. He says it is Un-Constitutional, and as such...illegal! Not that that would stop them, but....let's see where this law-suit goes.
Good show to listen to...1090 WILD am,10:00am-1:00 pm. Warren Ballantine and the Truth Fighters.
if you're sick of the constant right-wing radio as i am.
Good show to listen to...1090 WILD am,10:00am-1:00 pm. Warren Ballantine and the Truth Fighters.
if you're sick of the constant right-wing radio as i am.
princess [Member] writes:
How gracious of Senator Biden to go easy on Ms.Six Pack so that she could show her ignorance. She on the other hand filled up her time with attacks and accusations. After weeks of rehersing she still couldn't answer the important questions. In any case, she doesn't represent me, I'm not poor white, I don't live in a trailer, I don't have a beer gut and I don't play hockey.
Monponsett [Member] writes:
If I answered my bookie's questions the way Palin answered the moderator's, they'd be calling me Ol' Broken Arm.
Buzz [Member] writes:
dem,
Thank God for you cutting through the "hyperbole". So, if I have this straight, don't believe anything he says unless it's to your liking. Got it.
Thank God for you cutting through the "hyperbole". So, if I have this straight, don't believe anything he says unless it's to your liking. Got it.
Democrant [Member] writes:
lol, nope but nice try... you still don't get it
Buzz [Member] writes:
Of course I don't....only you do:)
Democrant [Member] writes:
Nope, wrong again :)
maverick [Member] writes:
Dem...for once we agree. I like Sarah but have never figured out why Mitt isn't on the ticket. Any thoughts?
Buzz [Member] writes:
princess says: "In any case, she doesn't represent me, I'm not poor white, I don't live in a trailer, I don't have a beer gut and I don't play hockey"
Nope, you're better than that...you're "princess"
Nope, you're better than that...you're "princess"
Democrant [Member] writes:
Mav- could be that McCain genuinely did not like Mitt. I can't buy the idea that it was a gambit to place a woman on the ticket, when there are other, more qualified women in the GOP who would fit the bill. Mitt does not strike me as someone that would take well to being second dog on the sled?
maverick [Member] writes:
Dem...thanks. I think McCain is his own worst enemy.
Ned...for the record I am an independent and vote for the candidates I think will best serve the country. I like a lot of folks on both sides of the aisle.
Neddy...the fact that I don't like Teddy nor Barney does not make me a Republican. But the constant sniping has proven to me that your a wordsmith with no self esteem. If you need to get your rocks off by correcting peoples grammar you should have been a 1st grade english teacher.
Ned...for the record I am an independent and vote for the candidates I think will best serve the country. I like a lot of folks on both sides of the aisle.
Neddy...the fact that I don't like Teddy nor Barney does not make me a Republican. But the constant sniping has proven to me that your a wordsmith with no self esteem. If you need to get your rocks off by correcting peoples grammar you should have been a 1st grade english teacher.
Ned [Member] writes:
Dave and Karen Rojay have been very positive about my correction of grammar on RED STATE HERO... mav you were calling me a Wordsmith as far back as May... not a conclusion come to recently. You may've had a bad experience with your 1st-grade English teacher, but mine, Mrs.Robertson was quite a beauty. Being a Wordsmith is a GOOD thing. Being a 1st-grade teacher is an even better thing. My long and distinguished career in the porno industry, however, rules out that particular career move for me...
maverick [Member] writes:
capemom...just had a long discussion with Bert Parks. He thought Sarah did a great job, as in "10".
Said he never heard of you. But warned me about "wannabees".
Said he never heard of you. But warned me about "wannabees".
possee [Member] writes:
All of you may disparage Obama, McCain, Palin, Biden and will probably defend your respective candidates(and party affiliation) as usual..But the bottom line is this..
The direction of the country is not decided by the President nor Vice President of either party..get over it!
You are painfully living in a world of dreams and the agenda has already been determined whether OB or MC wins...
You are being directed to the false hope of promise from both parties and the real power brokers laugh all the way to the bank..at the current tune of 700 billion and more to come..
The dems promised to end the war in Iraq, end poverty, and protect the middle class..hmmm
what happened?
has any of it ended?
The Repubs promised to lower taxes and spending..what happened?
spending is through the roof!
Perhaps you should take a hard look through all the demagoguery and dig a little deeper..
Perhaps watch 3 Days of the Condor(Robert Redford) which sums up where we have been , and are, all along.
The truth was, and has been, evident for decades..
This movie only illustrates it.
possee
The direction of the country is not decided by the President nor Vice President of either party..get over it!
You are painfully living in a world of dreams and the agenda has already been determined whether OB or MC wins...
You are being directed to the false hope of promise from both parties and the real power brokers laugh all the way to the bank..at the current tune of 700 billion and more to come..
The dems promised to end the war in Iraq, end poverty, and protect the middle class..hmmm
what happened?
has any of it ended?
The Repubs promised to lower taxes and spending..what happened?
spending is through the roof!
Perhaps you should take a hard look through all the demagoguery and dig a little deeper..
Perhaps watch 3 Days of the Condor(Robert Redford) which sums up where we have been , and are, all along.
The truth was, and has been, evident for decades..
This movie only illustrates it.
possee
Ned [Member] writes:
Those darn Bilderbergers... the Burger Kings of World Domination... special orders don't upset them...
maverick [Member] writes:
possee...any chance I can do a write in with Neddy for Pres. and capemom for VP?
They can run on a platform of porn and pablum. Love them both. They have my vote.
They can run on a platform of porn and pablum. Love them both. They have my vote.
possee [Member] writes:
maverick
Go for it..
I'm still voting for Pat Paulsen
Go for it..
I'm still voting for Pat Paulsen
possee [Member] writes:
maverick
..and his VP?
Emma Peel
the original from the 60's British Spy Show..
Sorry Ned..she didn't have dimpled elbows then
..and his VP?
Emma Peel
the original from the 60's British Spy Show..
Sorry Ned..she didn't have dimpled elbows then
Ned [Member] writes:
Henry 'Pat' Paulson is already Treasury Secretary
possee [Member] writes:
Not the Pat Paulsen I support
From the Smothers Brothers!
Now there's a candidate!
possee
From the Smothers Brothers!
Now there's a candidate!
possee
hpenn [Member] writes:
We are all seeing the result of both parties lobbyist tainted legslation over the years that resulted in the collapse of America the shining beacon on the hill. Its time the American people demand that we get a bailout its time. Are jobs have been outsourced, we are loosing our houses, we have gas speculaters now that are making it hard for us to keep gas in our vehicles, and what did we do wrong? We are the victums we are the ones that are really being hit. We need to demand a Main Street bailout let us rebound the finanical institutes give the American people two installments of $500 thousand dollars. This will allow the people to pay off our toxic debts and have some disposable money, this is the only way to straigthen out this mess we are in. The people can do it from the bottom up instead of the typical trickle down scheme.
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