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McCain-Obama 2... same as it ever was
No big surprises last night, as both candidates continued to riff on the familiar themes, with occasional minor notes of interests that at least gave the pundits something to talk about. Post debate poll results were consistent with the prior debate. Both CNN's poll of all voters and the CBS poll of undedecided went to Obama, yet again. Both debates were supposed to be on McCain's home field, first on foreign policy, then last night's town hall format. Both times, he has been seen as losing the debate. What's left for him?
That said, it still is the economy that is driving the Obama momentum. Remember in '04, Kerry outperformed Bush in the debates, but got no traction out of that.
Even the McCain campaign has admitted that it cannot win the election if the news focus remains on the economic crisis. That pretty much waves the white flag that they cannot win the war of ideas with Obama on the economy. So when you can't win the war of ideas, I suppose taking your opponents ideas as your own is another option, as McCain did on the idea of buying up people's mortgages. From the Associated Press:
"In fact, at a news conference on Sept. 24, Obama said, "we should consider giving the government the authority to purchase mortgages directly instead of simply purchasing mortgage-backed securities."
Days later, in a news release, he said he would "encourage Treasury to study the option of buying individual mortgages like we did successfully in the 1930s.""
The best part was McCain prefacing this in calling the idea his own, not President Bush's and not Senator Obama's. That is, until you actually check the record. In addition, the bailout plan already gives the Treasury Secretary authority to do just that.
CNN's analysts made a note of McCain's disdain, noting his reference to Obama as "that one" when talking about who voted for the Energy Bill of 2005. Mind you, McCain's claim that it was full of goodies to the oil industry was, incorrect:
Congressional Research Service: The Energy Policy Act of 2005 (EPACT05, P.L. 109-58) included several oil and gas tax incentives, providing about $2.6 billion of tax cuts for the oil and gas industry. In addition, EPACT05 provided for $2.9 billion of tax increases on the oil and gas industry, for a net tax increase on the industry of nearly $300 million over 11 years.
There is a month to go in this campaign, which is a long time in politics. The McCain campaign is a mess; viewed as ship with no captain, veering every which way, trying to make to through the storm. They've gone negative, tried to ridiculously co-opt the theme of "change", made a huge blunder with a vp selection that has become a liability and been unable to, as Bush 1 would say, get a grasp of that vision thing.
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She was asked to help the Nation and she said yes. As to "is so typical of a old man" I would love to be here when the clock strikes that age for you. Will you still be trying to help your country? Or will you be sitting in a nursing home screaming that the State of Mass. doesn't give you enough money.
Ouch, no need to be so hostile, did I get your boxers in a knot? I'm your sweet allie who speaks the truth. Can I help it if bubble head firearms Barbie can't form a complete sentence without using her sixpack slang-a-thon? They should have taken some of that swindled money from wallstreet and sent her off to charm school. Maybe it would have bought more votes from the retired conservatives. My genes boast vitality, longevity and strong spirited ageless wonder. Dad reached 86 when I was 12, half brother of Dennisport was 92 and still remembered me, mom is going on 81, so I'm planning to follow and have 45+ more to go. I know McCain suffered greatly as a POW, God bless, but it doesn't mean he's the best man for the job. I'm not asking for much, just my freedom, liberties and pursuit of happiness..want to be able to afford to live in my dad's home (built in 1886, bought in 1930) and become an author, keep my full time job. I don't want a helicopter to take me to work, happy with my 2000 volvo and simple life. Think most want to live with some peace. This adm only brought fear and dread. Where's the sunshine? We need some inside our lives.
I am one of the folks that participated in the loss of trillions in the last few weeks. Did either of the frauds explain it in the debate?
Not only didn't they explain it neither had a solution. We are hostage to a corrupt government. And as long as states like MA and RI have as many gov. workers as there are voters it will never change.
I hope the country tanks to the point that true Americans stand up and are counted. In the interim McDonald's will be more popular than the Impudent Oyster.
I remember we spoke when I told you the news regarding the stock and 401 failure.
You are absolutely correct that neither party nor candidate is addressing the bailout as they all participated( in collusion )with this mess and expect us to vote for either party..
what a disgrace they all are!!
I,ve frantically locked in my rate with my mortgage..and remain solvent for the time being..
The 401 debacle is another story...
Hang in there!
We've all been sold a bill of goods by our illustrious bandits in D.C.
I'm afraid the same old sameold is going to continue despite OB or MC'S absurd claims they are looking out for us..
Just wait and see years after the election..
We will still be the ones paying the freight as always..
what a load of crap!
possee
My wallstreet guy says
there are no parties only one corrupt. So when they buy up homes.pennies on the dollar, which will be owners: back stabbing Americans, Saudi's or Chinese? Maybe all the above. Which overseas banks are holding our stolen money in their name? If they wanted to put us back on track, they would have re-written those fraudulent mortgages. Since when did they make loansharkng legal? Guess we know who the real mob is... Govt mob. Here's one way for them to pay the debt they borrowed. It's too easy. Just take our savings, homes and jobs. Great country once, now it's been sold out. Look at the colleges, who do you see benefitting? Not many are from US.
And the Bush's in Paragya(sp), or some other South American country.
Hit the road Jack, and don't you come back!!!
The only difference between organized crime and government ?
Government has the law on its side!
When managing a waterfront restaurant in R.I., the local'guy' would come in once a week to divee up the quarters from the pool table and video games.
Engaging in conversation, he told me how the illustrious RI pols had sold off state land(cloverleafs off rte 95) for pennies on the dollar to their lawyer and RE buddies.
He was outraged and when asked why he wasn't in on it or benefitted..
e said"Hey, despite who we are, we gotta do business here and we don't mess with these guys!.. they can make us disappear!
enough said,,,ehh?
possee
I don't doubt what you say, must have been interesting surroundings. I have a few stories myself. One more recent about dear old dad. I was at a political function a few weeks in the vicinity to where I live. I met someone who said he remembered dad very well. I perked right up, since many things had been kept from me. I said, "what can you tell me", he answered, "I can't tell ya anything"...LOL..enough said..I told him a few things...then he relaxed...It seems dad kept a gun in the attic", he said, "if you ever find it, throw it in the ocean". LOL..and there were other things, like loading and unloading trucks back in the days, and last thing he said, "he provided, didn't he". What could I say? Of course little girls will always love dad no matter what, and that child in me will forever adore that man for all he sacrificed. So I get it. It was never about murder, just a way to make a living, but you had to play along. It was the way of the times back then, in or out. He never trusted govt. either, now I'm learning why. If I had to choose between the two, you know which one.
Don't forget to add WBuf's 200 million in Brazilian real estate to the list.
The investors know where they are all headed, too.
Didn't the Nazi's all flee to South America?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0610/S00308.htm Jenna Bush supposedly brokered the deal for Dubya's exile estate while on a junket to Paraguay for... UNICEF! Bush operative John Bolton at that point was still doing his best to defund the UN, so it does seem Para-normal, eh?
Don't know if you guys have any interest, but this is where I go to get the lastest....this guy roman knows what the deal is, Grinch too...check it out:
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Romaneagel "nailed it" he is right-on.
buzz agree's with me? is it snowing outside?
I screamed at my kids last night and felt bad the whole night. Imagine the death, carnage, destruction, etc etc.....ooooh. See ya, wouldn't want to be ya!
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Your thoughts on Barney please.
If you need help please visit http://www.usnews.com/blogs/sam-dealey/2008/10/08/barney-franks-fannie-and-freddie-racism-regarding-the-financial-crisis.html
Mav, here's your Barney rebuttal- http://mediamatters.org/items/200810070033?f=h_top .
I especially enjoy the part about the Bush Administration asking Fannie and Freddie to increase their affordable housing goals. Remarkable how much people want to blame someone who was in the minority party for the first 6 years of the Bush Administration.
only "on" it because of the recent developments the last few days...did you hear? FBI raids. Voter fraud?
Read Jeff Jacoby's article here: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/09/28/franks_fingerprints_are_all_over_the_financial_fiasco/
And make sure you click on the "time and time again" link to the Wall Street Journal.
Facts don't lie.
" When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing"
Can't be any more "black/white" than that...can it?
I thought I spoke to Nee-dy.
Read Jacoby's article if you get a chance.
possee
Buzz, it's almost sport on other blogs to easily discredit Jacoby. It's as if the Globe picked someone as their token conservative, someone so ridiculous, as to make the point obvious. What a surprise, the GOP is against a group that represents people that are poor, people of color, under represented people. And the FBI has never been used for political purposes, right ;) ?
Meanwhile, the cold fact remains that the GOP controlled the White House, Senate and House from Jan 2001-Jan 2007.
maverick [Member] writes:
Neddy..."Too bad it had to come to this..."
Your thoughts on Barney please.
Neddy...I really don't want your thoughts. Knew you would beg off on Barney.
We all get impressions of individuals from blog comments. Some we would like to say hello to and others not.
I wanted to take a few folks from the blog on a tour of Nantucket Sound this summer. Cru wanted Neddy. I said OK. I wanted Buzz. Cru said no way. Thus no boat ride.
Neddy...I have you confused with no one.
I don't want to meet you nor expect any favor. You are a dimple in your own mind.
Please don't take it personal. If it was just you, possee, and your wives I think that would be a pleasant ride. We would leave the blogs on the blogs. I just have trust issues with unexpected and unwelcomed intruders who do not want us to meet and be friends. And with all that's said, it's in your best interest that we keep a distance. I hope one day we will meet. If you and possee ever find you're in my neck of the city, let's meet for great steaks on tremont and boylston, if that goes well, we can do the boat ride early summer. Does that sound fair? Dinner will be on my tab.
I like mine medium rare!
Thank you for the invite.
Maverick..
Ready for a ride to Boston?
We can all divest corruption (ala wise guy & government) stories that are too numerous to discuss over the comment section.
I'm sure we'll have mutual acquaintences/stories to tell.
Probably have to have monthly get togethers on that subject alone!
Sounds like a great evening.
possee
Come on. It's useless trying to making a point with you. Jacoby is a great writer and maybe dismissive by the lib's but when he quotes the Wall Street Journal and Barney you still refuse to believe it.
Again, how is it that "your" sources are always correct but opposing ones are summarily dismissed? As Stossel says, "give me a break" :)
Cru, honestly you really don't know what you missed. We would have had a blast... talking about "Lyndell's bakery" "Powder House Sq". To know me, is to love me.
I am a woman of my word. The invite stands.
A few suggestions: Capital Grille in Burlington (off Rt. 95, may be easier for you to get to?) Food is amazing! I've been there twice. And service is almost too good to be true. Steaks of all kinds, aged and various cuts. Delmonico always a favorite, dad was a chef at the Parker (Omni) House and said it was the best cut, besides filet of course. Or if you prefer downtown Boston, (maybe you and Mav could take in a redsox game first?) I hear Smith & Wollensky's is great, although I haven't been, a family member has and loves it. Closer to home is Franks Steakhouse in North Cambridge, home of Tip O'Neil. The steaks are good too, more of a local hang out, but owners keep the place running well and atmosphere is nice.
So, let me know. You can always get in touch with me via email from my blog.
Medium-rare is the best way!
Even one of the links in Jacoby's story reveals his careless handling of the facts, in regards to opposing the bill from 2003- "Committee members were ready to support legislation that would give the Treasury Department oversight of Fannie and Freddie, as the administration has sought, Frank said, not power over the companies' housing activities, which are regulated by the Department of Housing and Urban Development." Between that and repeating the incorrect assertion that the CRA is another guilty party to this, Jacoby is once again, easily dismissed. See- http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_subprime_crisis .
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In response to: McCain-Obama 2... same as it ever was
Mav says: "Cru wanted Neddy. I said OK. I wanted Buzz. Cru said no way. "
Cru, honestly you really don't know what you missed. We would have had a blast... talking about "Lyndell's bakery" "Powder House Sq". To know me, is to love me.
Please enjoy all of earth's delights. Fresh air, green grass and a few acorns.
All one has to do is check Buzz's comments to read the many insults flung in my direction, always the instigator and can't take what he dishes out. At least with other posters, we can debate without the constant hitting below the belt...ie, referring to our hometown as the "slums", and my so called inability to ever hold a job...going on 2 yrs, promotion and a raise...but who cares, does it really matter? Is that all he can say about me, that I couldn't hold a job on an island that doesn't want to keep it's inhabitants working full-time? I don't work in service, nor do I like that line of work and good for me that I came back and got a job that pays me what I'm worth, and pays for my education. In fact, they encourage "professional development", unlike the bosses you see on the Cape. But it's service oriented, catering to rich and tourists, so what does one expect? Somerville RE is holding its value, so we must be doing something right. It would be nice to build a bridge of friendship with Mav, possee, and anyone else who can carry on an adult conversation without insults.
I support neither. And you can't deny that national media other than Fox has a hit squad out to discredit Sarah.
The crisis before this country has little to do with "that one", McCain, Joe or Sarah. It has everything to do with honesty and common sense.
You can cut off comments and it will just start on another post. Take credit for the traffic. WB loves it.
maverick [Member] writes:
Ned...has it begun to dawn on you that we don't care what you think?
Please enjoy all of earth's delights. Fresh air, green grass and a few acorns.
My comments directed your way were in direct response to your insulting remarks and generalizations about the good people of Cape Cod. My how you have a short term memory.
Somerville is wonderful and the Cape sucks....we get it.
I have more than enough friends in the "community" I choose to come to this blog, not to make friends or enemies, I'm only here for the "cartoon nipples" and "free gamma/spelling lessons" thank you very much.
Thanx..medium rare to rare is the best!
Would've loved to meet your Dad.. being a long time chef myself(3 years at the Back Bay Hilton..Boodles)
Just waiting for my ole sea dog mav (from another ole chef dog possee) to say the word and we'll be up to see you!
I'm sure we'll have a blast!
Perhaps we can discuss the viability of a third party that represents both sides of the aisle with common ground..
Hey Mav..are you ready for a trip?
possee
Crusader is a lady at heart..and intelligent..
You've gotta appreciate her deprecating look at the nefarious ways of corruption..despite her leanings.
Hell, cru and I disagree on a lot, but I respect her opinions,as she does mine, that's the fine line of civility..
and she's dead on on a lot of issues..
as you are as well...
How many spouses are opposites politically? imagine those conversations..ehh?
Personally, I don't have faith in either side, yet find Palin an interesting juxtapose in the political arena..at least she's real and not apologetic.
McCain..Obama..forget it!
I'm still writing in Pat Paulsen...(the Smother's Brothers version)
Forever & pragmatically independent...
possee
Leave the gaffe( a verbal mistake?) at home..
what ever the hell it was..
Let's enjoy a steak and get going..ehh?
call me..
possee
I agree, I do however draw the line to her claims that I'm the insulting one. You don't have to look very far to check HER childish behavior.
Here's a brief sampling:
"that is why the Cape didn't fit to my standards of living--1000 drunks per sq. mile"
"Good luck Karen--you crabby sea hag"
"another alley cat speaks....hey, slut, who are you talking to?"
"are you one among the few nasty degenerates who drop to their knees for the rogues who make you take a number"
"Go back to your butch lesbos, you don't have a clue what you are talking about"
"yeah, go sit on it and give it a whirl yourself...freaksville"
"I'd take a gay man over a butch lesbo anyday"
"You people really do get the wackiest psychos....only on Cape Cod"
Crusader has quite the ascerbic tongue.
can't argue with that..
guess you bring out the best in her..
lol
possee
Truly flattered, but you are still not welcome to come to dinner. You just proved my argument. Thanks for making it easy.
A1 would ruin the steaks we'll be having.
Do you read my collection daily for your only source entertainment? Shall I resort to the same, buy posting your remarks? Maybe I could pull up KMA's too and we'll have a marathon of rude comments for all to see?
What you fail to tell the readers--that most of those comments where a response to your initial verbal attacks (rap, karent, etc., probably all same posters) at me for pointing out my own personal experiences while working on the Cape. Even the chief of police admits there are "too many drunks on the Cape". Maybe you should go harass him, now.
possee, let me know when you two are ready to make the trip up. My time is flexible. What will they do when you find out I'm just a regular person, but one of hightened perception......LOL! That must be it! Can't have you thinking that now can they?
Any beef aficionado knows A-1 hides the flavor of a well aged, dry cured steak..
Come on now,what were you thinking?
Perhaps a port reduction demi glaze with roasted garlic and grilled portabellas would suffice..
or, a classic bearnaise with fresh tarragon..hmmm
Or just a dab of butter, salt, and fresh ground pepper..my favorite
Mav has business to tend to and we'll discuss our steak adventure when he's completed his tasks at hand..
til then Crusader..
Thank you and we'll keep you posted..
Why not food/ better for the soul than all this talk of corruption before dreamland time.
Where's Julia Child when you need her?
sleep well..
possee
"Your judgement of people, is clouded by your own low self-esteem,jealousy...we'll save your relationship & work failures for another day, psychology friend told me that this condition is known as "inferiority complex",is a nagging feeling of never being able to be “good enough.” cru,you dirty S.O.B.,you're ramblings like a ping-pong ball all over the place. I'm guilty of egging you, cru, bitter on. I do it knowing that your all pretty much full... I must be dumb, it seems I'm the only one left responding to your diarrhea. Keep convincing yourself that your "not" a pinhead. To bad your "inherited peasant genius" wasn't enough to have you "make it" on good old CC. Your vision of your life is a far distance from reality. sounds like the demented..Your nothing more than a blogger blowhard. The only threat to you is your corrupted mind. You suck the oxygen right out of the room. Your a man hater, those aren't homeless people, there just tourists who are lost".
crusader,
Good night my love
Yes, thinking about food before bedtime is better than eating at bedtime...whenever the time permits...my offer for steaks and pleasant conversation does not expire. gn.
Now, just in my opinion, I agree with Rosanne Barr, who says it's mandatory for the Republicans to always have a "sneer" associated with their comments. As if the person dis-agreeing with them is lower than dirt.
I have felt that sneer myself from a few on here, and see it flung towards others on a regular basis.
This is part of the deep anger at these past 8 years! Some of us are so sick of the sneering and the holier-than-thou attitude towards not only the American people, but the whole world!
Honestly, we have forgotten the words kindness and respect.
It's all mean mean mean.Then, when you call them on it, they say "You're anti-American"... "You hate your country."
If I could count the number of times I've been told to "Go somewhere else then", I'd be a rich person.
Paraphrasing maverick here: " I love this country, it's the leaders I have a problem with."
Is that allowed???
My point was quiet simple. Don't call my comments insulting without taking a good look at yourself. Agreed?
So now the word is out about Palin's sister & her ex-husband the abusive state trooper. Is it true this guy used a taser on his 10 year old step son? What an animal. Still, it doesn't give her the right to use her power as governor to fire the trooper's boss, because she her power as Gov. could not penetrate that of the "blue wall" union.
How does she rate for the other thousands of women across the state of Alaska and their own "abusers"? Pass any laws to protect women from their abusive spouses? Like to see her record on that to one. This reminds me of the Clinton Whitewater scandal while he was governor. They even have a website called, "Clinton body count". If a Gov. violates the law, he/she should be up on charges, too. I've tried to remain registered as an independent, but as hard as it is to sit and watch the local/state cronyism and hack jobs, I just can't bring myself to vote on the republican ticket. I'm beginning to think the qualifications of public office does not include integrity, honor, or respect. More like just being a criminal in a nice suit.
possee's deductions are accurate. You do bring out the very worst in me, and so do your other trolling groupies. I'd rather debate in a healthy manner rather than be dragged into the mud wrestling match with posters who sound like they belong at the local bar. You instigate every argument with me and you admitted it, so what is there to say? As far as beating up the lebos, I found myself working among a few of the G&L community who also abused their power. Problem was, the manager was also a gay woman who had very little empathy for how the straight women in the office were being treated by the abusive co-workers. Sure, I've had compassion for the gay issues. Two of my tenants are gays and I know they don't have an easy time renting to the older generations in my town. They're great tenants. There are good and bad of all types, but still doesn't give one a right to abuse and exploit. Judging people by character is what counts. Treat others as you would like to be treated.
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McCain is his own worst enemy. I think the Repubs have to concede this election. I like Sarah but it was a bad choice during these difficult economic times. He should have picked someone with a strong economic background instead of a cheerleader.
I am not a Monday morning quarterback. All the signs of an economic crisis have been out there for a couple of years.