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Forget marijuana--now it's about national security

Okay, I've given you potheads enough flak about the new marijuana law.  Personally, I don't care if you smoke.  Just don't smoke and drive.  Endangering other people is verboten, whether it's liquor, drugs, or being old and blind and non compos mentis behind the wheel.

This is about national security.  The new marijuana law has brought up some points about our law enforcement system--or lack of it--that apparently even prevent us from protecting America against terrorists.

According to the Boston Globe, officers have no way of determining the identity of people they stop on the street for smoking marijuana. Before the law was changed, officers could arrest them, or threaten them with arrest to force them to show identification. Now, they say they cannot force users to show IDs, and cannot arrest them if they refuse to identify themselves. And they say there is no penalty if a marijuana user gives a false name to a police officer.

"Cannot force users to show IDs?"  In what other country in the world is a person not required to show ID to a police officer?  "No penalty if a [person] gives a false name to a police officer?"  In what other country in the world is this allowed?   Go to Europe or anywhere else and you had better have your passport handy.

I can see a cop stopping Osama bin Laden.  "Excuse me, sir, but you look like Osama bin Laden.  May I see your ID?"

"You know what you can do with my ID and that blue-and-white camel you rode in on, infidel!  I am peacefully smoking marijuana.  I don't have to show you ID!"

"Then, what is your name?"

"Mother Teresa, infidel.  What's yours?"  (Osama's cohorts with AK-47s hidden in their pants legs laugh.)

They jump into their car, Osama floors it and pulls away.  "America, what a country," he says.  "Hey, maybe we should move here.  Can get away with all kinds of  camel poop!"

For a country where 3,000 people were murdered by terrorists and which is constantly under threat of even more horrifying attacks, we don't have to show police our IDs or give them our real names?  What's wrong with this picture? 

Merely identifying oneself to authorities of the nation you happen to have your feet planted in at the time does not in any way infringe on one's civil liberties.  But blowing up Americans infringes on mine and yours.  And, worse, ticks me off beyond description.

America, what a country.  For its enemies.  We need some serious rethinking of our most basic laws before we foolishly drive ourselves into extinction.

 

 

 

 

61 comments
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01/03/09 @ 2:04 pm
videopaul [Member] writes:
Live in fear, be ruled by fear. Don't bogart that joint my friend.
01/03/09 @ 2:15 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
I love Solon.... but, this has to be one of the silliest arguments I've ever read. I fail to see the point of someone smoking a joint in public and happening to be a terrorist. I would hope our national security is a little more sophisticated than grabbing the likes of Osama Bin Laden, smoking a joint walking down Main St in Hyannis.

Come on Solon.... you're "one toke over the line" with this one.
01/03/09 @ 2:29 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
I believe Solon is right on target.

I could care less who smokes or doesn't.

But to prevent us from protecting America is ridiculous. Legalize it! Yes. Stop us from checking ID's! No.
01/03/09 @ 2:56 pm
jackherer [Member] writes:
Watch this video of Dr. James Ketchum describing a study done with marijuana and driving. They tested people who were (1) on nothing at all, (2) on alcohol only, (3) marijuana only, and (4) alcohol and marijuana combined. The people on marijuana alone did no worse than people on nothing at all. People on alcohol did the worst. People on marijuana and alcohol did better than people on just alcohol. Marijuana tended to counter effect the alcohol a little.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FkQnwRgIi0
01/03/09 @ 4:11 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Nice catch, jackherer. The real Jack Herer paid some serious dues for his 70s legalization activism, as I recall; I'll read up more about him. HIGH TIMES founder Tom Forcade died very young as a result of getting on The Man's radar. I'd like a total figure of how many people have done hard time and had their lives ruined since Anslinger managed to criminalize a weed that is now finally conceded to be harmless. And that's all fine with Solon. He will never be able to grasp that particular injustice that's been the Empire's decree since the year I was born. If it's totally legalized, how will we ever compensate all the victims of a misguided racism-based law?
01/03/09 @ 4:21 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
"...old and blind and non compos mentis behind the wheel..." Ummm how IS your eyesight?
01/03/09 @ 4:58 pm
Solon [Member] writes:
Thanks, Mav. The rest missed the point ENTIRELY and are grossly off-target.

Re-read the title, "Forget marijuana..." How you defend something that hasn't even been attacked.

The rest of you, go back to your toking. By the looks of things, paranoia in extremis may be a side effect. Hmmm...have to report that to my narc friends who are spying on all of you this very moment.
01/03/09 @ 5:16 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Curent racial profiling procedures fail to associate Muslim terorist types with marijuana. The curent red flag used by most law enforcement and Homeland Security types is "you own an urban 7-11."

01/03/09 @ 5:39 pm
balognasamich [Member] writes:
So what exactly is the point here?
Do we start with 'ID on demand'? Wouldn't it be easier to implant a chip?
The 'One toke over the line' thing is actually relevant.
Why was hemp made illegal in the first place? Yes, they were terrorists;
Henry J. Anslinger, Lammont DuPont, and William Randolph Hearst.
You are correct, Mr. Solon, it's not about Marijuana at all; it's about personal freedom and civil liberties.
I'm hoping I can earn these 'priviledges' after taking my loyalty oath and receiving my 'chip'.
01/03/09 @ 5:42 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
My "token" days are long past, but I do know who's paranoid here.
01/03/09 @ 5:50 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Solon... I'd love to sit down with you sometime and smoke a bit of fine marijuana... just so you can see that it really isn't that bad.
01/03/09 @ 6:04 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Yes I'm a cover artist for PARANOIA Magazine! Psychologists note that it's possible to lead a productive, if grim, life as a lifelong paranoid. Solon you were IN the Intelligence Service, right? Probably waterboarded a Turk or two in the station office in Nicosea, eh? That was why Phil Agee resigned, as I recall. This is known in Journalism, which is supposedly what we're peddling here, as Interest Of Full Disclosure. I've tried before to get you and maverick to give us some idea of what the stakes are for you karmic-ly speaking, when you two start tag-teaming your tough talk. But you're 'not at liberty to say'. Why should we trust corrupt cops to check our papers every time we change trains?
01/03/09 @ 7:16 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Solon

As stated, smoking pot is not the issue, but national security is upmost.

Those who fear an Id check would be the first to holler when a terrorist was not id'd and subsequent deaths of innocents resulted.

The same crowd that fears govt wiretaps and decries waterboarding and subsequent torture techniques.
Problem is, there's no proof to them of a disaster prevented and, that the govt wants info on them for God knows what reasons..as if the average American holds such a threat...laughable..

smoke another one!

possee
01/03/09 @ 7:28 pm
somebunny [Member] writes:
I'm not seeing anything wrong with authority to do so to ask for ID. Unless I am hiding something, which I am not... but as far as terrorist in the airports, I do believe you have to have good solid ID to get a ticket so can't be all that hard to identify a passenger. Where National security is concerned, officials should be able to ask for ID of people entering public places such as airports. Most other buildings require staff to wear ID badges so no ID badge, no access.

never smoked the funny stuff either
01/03/09 @ 7:34 pm
somebunny [Member] writes:
"I'm not seeing anything wrong with authority to do so to ask for ID"
yea. Let's try that again. I'm not seeing anything wrong with showing my ID to anyone with the authority to ask.
01/03/09 @ 7:50 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Note that if bin Laden smoked weed, he'd have been less motivated in theory... and the 9/11 attacks would have devolved into a late night run to Wendy's.
01/03/09 @ 8:10 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Ned...no tough talk. Just honest thoughts.

Your thought "corrupt cops" betrays your posture as an idealist. You sit back and snipe while a lot of other folks do the heavy lifting.

Because you are unhappy with the hand dealt to you is not our fault. The fact that you are a cartoonist with a large vocabulary and no true artistic talent should not be held against anyone. Least of all the innocent participants on this blog.

Why don't you go enjoy a joint, take a quick peek in the mirror, relax and have a Happy New Year.
01/03/09 @ 10:30 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
kindly mav do not invite me to intoxicate myself. I sit forward in my monitor-chair to do my sniping. I have the job I'd wanted before I was 10 and I've had it for 24 years now. My art appears on magnets on refrigerators thruout the Globalist Empire. The hi5er participants in this Blog seem particularly non-innocent. Sounds to me as if you and Solon went medieval on some *sses back in your James Bond days and now have to justify it with mental gymnastics. I'll relax when I'm dead! We shall see who has a Happy New Year and who has a sh*tty one.
01/03/09 @ 11:08 pm
piggie [Member] writes:
touche!!!!
01/03/09 @ 11:20 pm
piggie [Member] writes:
adversus solem ne loquitor
01/04/09 @ 12:27 am
Ned [Member] writes:
bingo, piggie... trolls live to see the objects of their spite wasting another quarter-hour to try to counter their bilespew. It's a shame about Solon... a fine mind but eternally dedicated to defending stupid decisions made long ago.
01/04/09 @ 5:40 am
possee [Member] writes:
Aerugo animi rubigo ingenii

argumentum ad absurdum

possee
01/04/09 @ 10:38 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
operator: 911 what is your emergency?
caller: yeah...i'm down hear at Christy's and there's this dude hanging out... he's passing out anti-american propaganda..
operator: can you give me a description?
caller: he's tall...with a beard and a turban and he's got a rifle over his shoulder...like that bin laden dude?
operator: what's he smokin?
caller: excuse me?
operator: is he smokin the ganja?
caller: huh?
operator: mary jane..weed?
caller: i don't think so.
operator: sorry sir, not much we can do... let us know if he heads to the airport.
01/04/09 @ 10:44 am
Solon [Member] writes:
It's amazing there are so many comments on marijuana for a piece that was not even about marijuana. But here's one for you from the AP:
--------------------------------------
Man gets marijuana fine, has bigger problems

By ASSOCIATED PRESS
January 03, 2009
SPRINGFIELD — A Holyoke man was at least one of the first people fined under a new state law that decriminalizes marijuana.

Police said they found [the man] with less than a half gram of marijuana on him Friday, so he was fined $100 under a new law that went in effect that day.

But police say they also found 119 crack cocaine rocks and 45 heroin bags in [his] car.

He now faces a drug trafficking charge that carries a possible mandatory seven-year prison sentence.

Springfield police said they’d heard their marijuana citation was the state’s first, but that was not confirmed.
----------------------------------------
I can see your comments now, my friends, "Corrupt cops plant drugs to nail marijuana user. Waterboarding used to extract confession. Etc., etc., etc."

Have fun with it. I certainly am.
01/04/09 @ 10:50 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Solon,

Sounds like the new law is alive and well.
01/04/09 @ 10:58 am
Ned [Member] writes:
Enjoy your giddy moments Solon. If you were compos mentis you'd realize that your title is inflammatory. There's no 'forgetting marijuana'. Anslinger's little experiment in Social Hygiene caused several generations to fear Law Enforcement rather than respect it. And hey, buddy! I am no longer your friend. Put that in your pipe, Popeye.
01/04/09 @ 11:03 am
Solon [Member] writes:
Buzz, looks that way. Personally, I didn't think the cops would bother with it unless there was more too it, which there was in this case.

Ned, you mean that you and I and Maverick won't be having tea and crumpets together? I was so looking forward to it. My social season is ruined.
01/04/09 @ 11:54 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Sona si Latine loqueris
01/04/09 @ 11:59 am
Ned [Member] writes:
"Not all conservative people are stupid, but all stupid people are conservative."-Abraham Lincoln. I always wanted to find a smart conservative to hang out with... I'll let you know if I ever find one. I had some hopes for you but this post killed 'em. Guilt by association; sloppy thinking. I've seen better from you. mav was a wash from the get-go!
01/04/09 @ 12:46 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
wow... think of all the disappointed "smart conservatives". What a shame, they came so close.
01/04/09 @ 12:49 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Buzz [Member] writes:
"Sona si Latine loqueris" Sona means Make A Sound. Honking is one of billions of possible sounds. But to a Honkie it's music.
01/04/09 @ 12:52 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Buzz... the sound of a granny being Tasered. All in the name of National Security. The American people expect no less.
01/04/09 @ 12:55 pm
Solon [Member] writes:
Ned, I'm a "moderately conservative independent."

I don't know what you're upset about. I said from the get-go, "Personally, I don't care if you smoke [marijuana]." Second sentence. And probably nobody else does. The piece is NOT about marijuana.

No need for the ad hominem stuff; it's really beneath you. You can do better.

I still consider you my friend.

Buzz, you're one of the few people left on the planet that understands Latin (that includes you, too, Ned).

01/04/09 @ 2:05 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
solon I don't think my postings are as much of a slap-in-the-face to a whole segment of the readership, as this post was. I try to be at least whimsical about my obsessions and prejudices. You can see that you already had a 75% negative response before I stumbled into the discussion. As you say, you don't see what I'm upset about. The fact that you don't see it... that you still want to fight The Culture War by cavalierly declaring that it's over... It doesn't feel over to me. This was lamebrained trying to conflate the Pot War with the War on Terror. When I WAS a pothead and peacenik circa '70 to '84, I was vulnerable to the righteous wrath of Cold Warriors who'd've been happy to jail me. I lucked out and stayed under the radar. No Vietnamese or Arab ever threatened me personally in that manner. Plenty of rednecks threatened and insulted me. My photo is likely still in the Dt.Finnegan's Red File Archives at the NYPD from the peace rallies. I'm pushing 60 now. My art's on fridges! If you don't know by now, don't mess with it. If you mess with it, don't be surprised at my reaction.
01/04/09 @ 2:08 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Buzz doesn't know Latin; he cut&pasted that 'honk' thing from a humor site. See my Comment above.
01/04/09 @ 3:33 pm
Solon [Member] writes:
"Trying to conflate the Pot War with the War on Terror?" Now THAT comment is lame-brained. You and some of your cronies are the only ones who have done that. Did you ever read my piece or just each other's comments and feed off them?

I guess you just don't get it and probably never will. The only "slap in the face" here is your slap in the face to rationality through your fanatic, inane interpretation of anything that suits you and your hostility against those whom your extreme narrow-mindedness deems in some way an imagined danger to something you can't even define.

You are off-topic, my friend, and have been from your very first comment, and you don't realize it. Very, very sad.
01/04/09 @ 5:07 pm
umassjsp [Member] writes:
I think the author has been smoking The Devil's Lettuce.
01/04/09 @ 5:43 pm
Solon [Member] writes:
I don't have any and have not had any for over thirty years. But after some of the misbegotten, totally off-topic comments, which I have let go on for too long, but will start to close down, I may take Monpo up on her offer.

At least she's a lady. I suspect some of you guys are, too.
01/04/09 @ 6:19 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
I'm sick of being bullied by my supposed Protectors and a majority of Americans are too if you haven't noticed. Very very unsad about that.
01/04/09 @ 6:29 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Yeah this was basically like a really bad Krauthammer column from NEWSWEEK. They can't all be winners S-man. Give it the hook.
01/04/09 @ 7:03 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Ned says..."mav was a wash from the get-go!"

mav says...Thank God!

Ned says..."My art's on fridges!"

mav says...where is Dali when we need him?

Solon...Neddy is sick of being bullied.
Let's give him a hug and wish him a Happy New Year.

01/04/09 @ 7:18 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
News Flash! Dali's roasting in hell with his smoochmate Generalissimo Francisco Franco!! Those fascists wish they had a fridge!!
01/04/09 @ 8:00 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Solon

Are you implying that some of us are really ladies?
Whom might they be?

Must be the sensitive types,ehh?
Can't wait for your next blog..


possee
01/04/09 @ 8:37 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
With brownnosers like possee around, who needs ladies?
01/04/09 @ 9:01 pm
somebunny [Member] writes:
I've been known to be a lady on occasion. Sorry guys. Happens to the best of us.
01/04/09 @ 9:16 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Standard fascist diatribe to taunt male enemies as 'insufficiently masculine'.
01/04/09 @ 11:54 pm
Tara [Member] writes:
I think you make a valid point that people shouldn't be given a free pass to lie about their name or not give one at all, but I think the way you have presented your point is not effective.
Bringing up Osama Bin Laden seems to be a sensationalist tactic to scare people. It's actually a great way to make people agree with you because, if they don't, they are at risk of being accused of terrorist support. Other than that, however, your argument fails to exist. All you did was set up an unlikely hypothetical situation as if it were a spoof on Saturday Night Live. Here's the spot where I would begin to argue against or for your points. But, since there are none to support your opinion, then I have nothing to argue against.
You would probably get a lot farther with your idea if you presented in a more logical manner.
01/05/09 @ 7:15 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Id legi modo hic modo illic. Vero, Latine loqui non est difficilissimum.
01/05/09 @ 8:19 am
possee [Member] writes:
Solon
It seems you have poked the hornets nest of intellectualism as you dared to post your point of view.

Continuous comments of omnipotent intellect (of all things stated)expound yet fail to grasp simple sacrcastic comments when posted...

Supreme intellect has clouded simple truths and reasonable debate...
as there is only one truth to all things, and, none but ONE, possess that stature.

Sarcasm and intellect are soley owned by the one proprietor here....

the rest of us may stand back in subservience, complacency,and awe...

or face the wrath!

The great OZ has spoken..


possee
01/05/09 @ 9:16 am
Solon [Member] writes:
Tara, it has finally gotten through to you. Osama is a spoof. A little side humor. "Scare people?" "Accused of terrorist support?" Methinks you doth protest too much. Are we having a paranoia epidemic?

But the point is the point.
01/05/09 @ 9:23 am
Solon [Member] writes:
Thank you very much, supporters, for getting the NOT-about-marijuana angle, and thank you, detractors, for taking the time to voice your own opinions, as I know every one is quite busy this time of year.

Now please go on to something else. I have to write my next post, "Marijuana smoke causing global warming!"

Happy New Year to you all. Hugs to those who need them!
01/05/09 @ 12:14 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Yes we're having a paranoia epidemic. Has been in effect since at least '48 and the Pot War is one of its symptoms. http://www.amazon.com/Paranoid-Style-American-Politics-Essays/dp/0674654617 posse I see two grammatical/spelling f*ck*ps in your latest. Aside from that Walter is proprietor. I am a Concerned Citizen performing Hygiene probono. Solon, I always have to caution my Liberals friends to be careful about apologizing because Conservatives NEVER do. Bedrock Principle by definition can NEVER be in error... yabba dabba do. Tara thanks for calmly expressing concerns which I share. The Blogfather gives Commenters 'the right to lie about their names' which a certain Latin phrasepaster has famously abused. Let's require all Commenters to Fully Disclose their professional conflicts of interest. The Right learned how to use 'sacr-casm'(to quote possee) back in the 80s. It's a weapon like any other. I'll hug trees and fellow liberals but spare me the whiskery embrace of conformist snarkpeddlers.
01/05/09 @ 1:53 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Ned...at long last we agree.

I would rather hug a tree than share space in your embrace.
01/05/09 @ 3:00 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Never apologize and most of all never reread your previous Comments.
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." -H.P.Lovecraft 1926.
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maverick [Member] writes:
01/04/09 @ 7:03 pm
"Solon...Neddy is sick of being bullied.
Let's give him a hug and wish him a Happy New Year."
01/05/09 @ 1:53 pm
"Ned...at long last we agree.
I would rather hug a tree than share space in your embrace."

01/05/09 @ 3:17 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Forget marijuana--now it's about Needy.

A thought for the New Year. Let's give Ned some love. Might we all give a little something to the Cape Cod Needy Fund in Ned,s name.

http://www.needyfund.org
01/05/09 @ 3:18 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Needy...is it Ned,s or Ned's?
01/05/09 @ 5:05 pm
possee [Member] writes:
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=13834

Solon

When composing your next blog on the effects of marijuana and global warming.
use this link to encourage more imbibing as the earth's ice caps are cooling and increasing.

In fact they are at the same levels as 29 years ago..
Perhaps an increase of cattle flatulence (and pot smoking)will help the warming crowd increase the earth's fever!

Inquiring minds would want to know.

and mav. I already contributed to the"fun"d.."embraceable you"

possee
01/05/09 @ 5:46 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
possee...am on my way to the Caribe in the AM.

Please keep the scoundrel in line while I am gone.

Thanks for the contribution.

http://www.needyfund.org also helps failing artists. Despite their vocabulary.

Hope all is well with your Son. Chat on my return.
01/05/09 @ 6:50 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
I'm fine financially... it's the local fascists I have a problem with.
01/05/09 @ 8:09 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
"Failing Artists" had nothing to do with finances, just talent.

Where is Dali when we need him?

PS...to stay on topic "Forget marijuana--now it's about national security".
01/06/09 @ 12:59 am
Ned [Member] writes:
Mavzhole I just received yet another request for an original Boop drawing from one of my late wife's health-care professionals, for her friend who has cancer. People literally think my Betties have Lourdes-like properties. I am a Maker Of Saints. You base your judgement on my aesthetic 'fraudulence' on... your anger. I am not responsible for the many humiliations you have suffered in your long lifetime- just a few recent ones.
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