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Why I Am A Capitalist
Outspoken advocates like me for responsible governmental regulation of commerce, as expressly provided for by the Constitution of the United States, are frequently accused by ignorant wingnuts on the extreme political right of being "Commies" who "hate capitalism". Typically, such invective originates with highly paid mouthpieces for America's corporate elite, like the 400 Million Dollar Man Rush Limbaugh.
Who else but the corporate oligarchy could pony up some Thirty Eight Million a year to a gasbag who spews toxic fumes into the political atmosphere in order to preserve their own continued right to pollute the air we breathe? His dittohead listeners, maybe? You mean the folks who are being laid off by the thousands from assembly lines, offices and retail stores all across America because of their unregulated "free market" capitalist ideology? Or do you mean the middle class folks who've just lost all their retirement savings and the equity in their homes because of Bush's ideological deregulation of the financial markets? Yeah, right!
That kind of oligarchic "free market" perversion of capitalism, as practiced by hack GOP pols like Bush and preached by wingnut media hacks like Limbauh is what I hate -not "capitalism" per se. How about you?
Now that the Democrats have regained control of Congress and the White House, Limbaugh and his fellow demagogues on "fair and balanced" Fox News are desperately trying to stifle any attempt to restore the "fairness doctrine." That's the requirement, trashed during the Reagan administration, that requires licensed, limited band radio or television media to provide equal time in response to any expressly political statement they broadcast on the public airwaves. They claim this would violate their corporate First Amendment right to free speech on the "free" broadcast stations they have monopolized, with corporate money and with the assistance of GOP deregulation, over the past several decades.
So their First Amendment right to corporate "free speech" on licensed media, over public airwaves, somehow permits them to stifle the right of anyone who disagrees with them to be heard over the public airwaves that they have monopolized through their superior economic power. What are they so afraid of? That we might actually get to hear the truth on our licensed broadcast media for a change, instead of a constant barrage of their bought-and-paid-for ideological twaddle? Or do they honestly believe, on "principle," that the First Amendment means only that "money talks," with megawattage, while the rest of us just have to shut up and listen? Is that what you believe?
A. I both practice and believe in capitalism in its truest sense.
For the record, I am a capitalist both in theory and in practice. I am a self-employed professional who pays my office rent and all expenses from my billings and then, after maintaining a responsible reserve, I take the rest of my income as profit. That, people, is free enterprise capitalism in its purest form.
I do, however, have to operate my business under strict governmental regulation, starting with the Board of Bar Overseers and the rules of professional conduct it administers under force of law. This includes a strict accounting for every cent of clients' money that passes through my escrow account. Maybe Rush Limbaugh and his fellow travelers on Fox TV believe that's "socialism" and I shouldn't have to answer to the BBO or the IRS for anything. You think?
I have only worked in the public sector once, many years ago, while I was in high school. I played football for Lawrence High in Falmouth, and all us jocks got summer jobs working for the Park Department at a buck-and-a half-an-hour. That was good pay back then, but we had to work hard for it, cutting grass, grading ball diamonds and clay tennis courts -imagine that, a little town like Falmouth could afford to maintain real clay infields and tennis courts! That was way back in the dark old days -before Reagan's "morning in America." We also cleared a lot of brush to create walking trails in public parks -real brush clearing, hard work, and not the kind of phony photo op dumb show Bush was so fond of putting on when he was pretending to be a regular guy at Crawford Ranch.
I know what real work is in the private sector, too. I spent several years in the ‘sixties, after graduating from high school and dropping out of art school, before entering college, just "finding myself." During that time I worked at a variety of hourly jobs, including wooden boat worker, dishwasher, busboy, delivery truck driver, artists model, factory worker, and building maintenance worker. I also hitchhiked across America solo, from San Francisco to New York, during this period. After I startedcollege in 1968 I began working summers as a taxi driver, another unsalaried job where my income depended directly on the amount of money I took in, both as commissions and tips.
I've been a practicing lawyer since 1975 and for most of those years, since 1978, my income has been determined directly by the amount of money I take in. If I have no income in a given quarter, I just have to tighten my belt or maybe borrow from the bank if I haven't retained enough in reserve. I don't go to Congress asking for a bailout with no strings attached -and I have never felt a compelling need to travel by private corporate jet anywhere.
From my varied work history and life experiences, continuing to this day as a local public official for the past twenty-five years or so, as well as being an avid reader of a variety of newspapers and magazines -unlike the rising GOP starlet Sarah Palin, I can claim an informed understanding of how American society works in practice. From my many years as a sportsman, fishing, canoeing, camping in the Adirondacks and running a 21-foot power boat all over Nantucket and Vineyard Sounds, from Green Pond to Nomans Island to Wasque and back to East Falmouth, with occasional forays to Horseshoe Shoals or Cuttyhunk, I am imbued with an informed understanding of and profound appreciation for our precious natural environment, from the seashore to the mountain forests.
From my eclectic college education, as well as keeping abreast of current events, I have developed a reasonably informed understanding of the historical events and philosophical movements that have shaped our society, our politics and our economy. Most significantly, however, from my professional education and work experience I can claim an informed understanding of how our secular Constitutional democracy is supposed to work, through a government of laws based on a system of checks and balances, and not through the dictates and dishonest manipulations of any golf-playing, corporate M.B.A. "Decider" like George W. Bush.
B. I do not "hate" capitalism, but I detest the perversion of honest capitalism through the concentration of vast wealth in a corporate oligarchy, and its intended subversion of our Constitutional democracy, in the name of "free market" capitalism.
So, no, I don't "hate capitalism," and anyone who says I do only betrays his own ignorance and venality -two qualities that go hand in hand with the likes of Limbaugh and his fellow travelers on Fox TV. What I detest is the rise of corporatism as a dominant political force in America. It is an oligarchic force which has used all manner of fear mongering and jingoistic chicanery, through inordinate media access based on wealth, to put its two henchmen Bush and Cheney in the White House and keep them there for eight years as the country has been brought to its knees by their corrupt and inept "free market" ideology.
This is not a criticism of the legal fiction known as incorporation. I am a Main Street capitalist, and despite my appreciation of Ambrose Bierce's cynical definition of a corporation as "an ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility", I recognize the importance of letting individuals incorporate in order to protect their personal assets against the risk of business liabilities. That's the only way the mom and pop businesses, like my neighbors here on Falmouth's Main Street, could ever get off the ground -and that's how incorporation, as a legal fiction, is supposed to work.
Corporatism on the other hand, is the accumulation of vast wealth in closed socio-economic units, now multi-national in scale, which are legally recognized as "persons," and are therefore permitted to use vast sums of money through Political Action Committees (PACs), with special pleading , to influence both political and economic trends in society. It is an inherently anti-democratic movement designed to concentrate all wealth in the hands of the very few, i.e. an oligarchy, while keeping the middle class and the working class in perpetual debt as they are "trickled on" with just enough of the national cash flow to keep the system working.
That, in case you still haven't noticed, is exactly what was happening in America over the past eight years of the Bush administration's misgovernance -until the inevitable crash in 2008. The chief engine for the corporate elite's amassing vast wealth, with an exponential increase in the wealth and income gap between them and the middle class over the past eight years, has been not only the Bush administration's favorable tax treatment of corporate profits, but its criminally negligent, ideological deregulation of both industry and finance.
C. The primary engine for the corporate oligarchy's assault on both our Constitutional democracy and our economy has been the anti-government, "free market" ideology that has driven the GOP since the Reagan presidency and has caused the economic collapse of 2008 after the Bush administration's eight years of Reaganomic deregulation.
An early sign of the impending economic collapse was the Enron scandal in 2004, where Bush's close pal "Kenny Boy" Lay was caught, along with other top corporate officials, making fraudulent deals with Wall Street bankers to rip off both stockholders and rate payers. They were caught only because their greed was so overreaching that they made too many mistakes, and the SEC couldn't ignore it any longer.
Among the "responsible" members of the Wall Street community, you know -folks like Bernie Madoff, getting caught like that was Kenny Boy's only real crime. Meanwhile, thousands of stockholders lost millions of dollars because the Bush administration, guided by its "free market" ideology, wasn't minding the store. It wasn't using its Constitutional power, through the SEC, to regulate commerce in furtherance of its Constitutional mandate to promote the "general welfare," by keeping close tabs on the deals that Enron was making with Wall Street and thereby secure the "blessings of liberty" to all of us, not just the corporate elite ripping us off at every turn.
This, of course, brings us to Bernie Madoff himself, a swindler with impeccable Wall Street credentials, one of the very best of all those "best people" in American finance, who ran a gigantic Ponzi scheme and ripped off billions of dollars from unsuspecting investors. Yes, the investors themselves should have realized that his incredible success with returns on their investments was just that -incredible. But the real fault lies with the Bush administration's SEC for totally ignoring the clear warnings it was receiving from people like Harry Markopolos who was telling SEC regulators as early as 2000 that Madoff's fantastically successful hedge fund was just a scam.
Markopolos, in addition to doing the math, also noted that Madoff's clientele consisted mostly of individuals, charitable non-profits and small institutional investors.
None of the top Wall Street investment houses were putting money into Madoff's hedge fund, despite his impeccable financial pedigree and his remarkable success. Why do you suppose that was -they just didn't want to make more money maybe? Or was it because they knew he was running a scam for so long? But, then, if they knew he was running a scam, why didn't they report him to the SEC for unfair competition like Markopolos did? Was it because of a "principled" belief in unregulated "free markets", or was it because they were themselves running pyramid schemes just like his? Oh, no, perish the thought.
So what could the SEC have done in 2000, in 2001 or in 2005, when Markopolos sent them detailed analyses of how Madoff's hedge fund was ripping investors off? It could have begun by simply checking the math, which Markopolos had already done for them, and then conducting a full scale investigation, as it is empowered to do under both the Constitution and the statutory framework that provides for governmental oversight of the financial markets.
The SEC could thereby have prevented a lot of the damage to thousands of average Americans who entrusted their life savings to Madoff over the next eight years or so, by the simple expedient of making him open up his books to them. Markopolos gave them the smoking gun that in fact turned out to be the financial "mushroom cloud," so why didn't they act on it? I mean, if someone questioned my handling of client funds, even a few hundred dollars, the BBO would be all over me like fleas on a junkyard dog. So where were the SEC regulators when Markopolos gave them probable cause to believe that Madoff was ripping off millions of his customers' hard earned dollars?
Oh, no, they could never do anything like that, could they -to actually use their Constitutional regulatory authority to protect investors before they lost billions of dollars -most of which has long been squirreled away in offshore accounts. That would have gone against the Bush administration's "principled" policy of deregulation, based on its "free market" ideology. It also might have suggested to us average American citizens that maybe all those "best people" on Wall Street, just maybe, could not be trusted without governmental oversight to promote our general welfare as opposed to their own bottom line.
So now the Democrats have been saddled with the burden of leading us up, phoenix like, from the financial collapse of 2008, and the right wing ideologues are scurrying about like so many squealing little barnyard rats, gnawing on every available undigested hayseed from the still warm horse droppings of their "free market" ideology, to show how it wasn't Bush's fault and it wasn't their fault because, of course, it's never their fault is it? After all, their "free market" ideology is flawless and unassailable, so it all must be Barney Frank's fault for making the banks lend money to unqualified homebuyers -or whatever.
Again, don't even consider the possibility that the collapse was caused, not by a few defaulted subprime mortgage loans, but by the criminally negligent lack of oversight by the Bush administration's bank regulators. True enough, subprime mortgages were only a small part of the mortgage industry, and even the default of every single one of them could not have caused the total economic collapse of 2008 if the lenders had been required to maintain adequate reserve assets across the board, based on realistic appraisals, to cover potential losses -i.e. if the bank regulators had simply checked the math. But that would have been actual regulation and, of course, we all know that regulation is "socialism" in disguise -just ask Rush Limbaugh.
To have bank regulators actually regulate, to make sure that the lenders' evaluation of their reserve assets were in fact commensurate with their potential default losses, i.e. honest bookkeeping like you or I have to do to stay afloat, would have been government interference with the "free market" capitalism practiced by the corporate elite, the oligarchy that finances media hacks like Limbaugh and all that "fair and balanced" snooze you get on Fox TV. Of course, that kind of "socialism" can never exist in a democracy, can it, no matter what we "Commie" liberals might say about the Constitution.
No, children, just keep taking the word of all those "best people" on Wall Street, because they know what they're doing and only have your best interests at heart, and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Just give them gobs of public bailout money now, without restrictions, controls or a public share of equity, so they can keep on getting richer and richer at everyone else's expense by continuing to practice their "free market" capitalist mumbo jumbo on us until they manage to get all of America's wealth in their Swiss bank accounts.
For the record, I support Obama's stimulus spending package. I also support bailing out industries, insurance companies and banks that show some remnant viability, but only if the government that's providing them with our money maintains a tight leash, with regulation, strict accountability and an equity share in many instances, to justify our investment -no more naive "free market" faith in either the competence or good faith of those "best people" on Wall Street. To the extent Obama's present bailout package does not fully do this, I am both dubious and fearful about its success. That is to say the bailout package suffers from too little "socialism," not too much.
D. What makes me a capitalist in the truest sense, within the framework of our Constitutional democracy, and what makes politically desperate critics who label Obama supporters like me "socialist" after the total failure of their "free-market" ideology, is the fact that we "liberals" are not ideologues who put self-interest above the national interest, and we therefore recognize and accept the need for reasonable governmental regulation of commerce, as expressly provided for in the Constitution, in order to make capitalism actually work for the benefit of all Americans.
What makes me a capitalist, in the truest, most honest sense consistent with the principles of our Constitutional democracy, is that I practice it myself while recognizing the need for and accepting responsible governmental regulation of commerce as well as fair taxation. Bush and other "free market" ideologues who parrot the cheesy anti-government sound bites of Ronald Reagan, are not patriotic, honest capitalists who recognize the need for responsible governmental regulation of commerce, as provided for by the Constitution.
No, Bush, Cheney and their media apologists are anti-democratic, anti-constitutionalist ideologues who abuse both their right of free speech and the positions of influence they have gained, based on the economic power of the corporatist oligarchy that owns the GOP and has designs on owning everything and everyone else in America. And today, when we face an economic crisis that is the moral equivalent of war, their concerted attempt to derail our President's effort to restore the economy, by their continued anti-constitutional insistence on the ideological purity of the corrupt "free market" nonsense that caused the crisis, is the moral equivalent of treason.
That kind of oligarchic "free market" perversion of capitalism, as practiced by hack GOP pols like Bush and preached by wingnut media hacks like Limbauh is what I hate -not "capitalism" per se. How about you?
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Please explain why the deficit is so much larger due to the failure of so many Democratic nominees to pay their fair share. The list grows by the day. Is it an Elephant duty but Donkeys are exempt?
I'm sure a good tax lawyer will solve their problems. How about the rest of us?
Also, this balanced budget illusion: Governments are not corporations. They don't have a finite supply of money, and they don't have to balance a budget. Indeed, the *only* thing keeping us from collapsing into a black hole of deflation right now is the probability that the federal government will "print money" and inflate.
Imagine the gall... getting an education, working hard for the American dream. Damn idiots actually went out and bought houses and enjoyed a round of golf on the weekend. That really irks Richard. He must be a hoot at a cocktail party.
I don't know who Drudge is nor the site.
But I do know artistic talent. When I return to the Cape my first stop will be Ocean State Job Lot.
I will be looking for a Neddi. Please don't disappoint.
My aunt had a booth at the flea market, she use to make and sell hats out of beer cans, it was a craft... her expertise, she got paid for it. Not sure if it pre-dates cartooning, but they were a thing of beauty. Especially liked the Pabst Blue Ribbon one.
We can't get any liberal talk, because the radio station owners want it that way.
It was a concerted effort beginning in the early 1990's, when Rush came on the scene and they put him on every single station at 12 noon.
It wasn't because he was popular, no one even heard of him. They made him popular by forcing him on us.
Took away all the other choices.
Same with Dr. Laura......every single station had to carry her.
And who was she? Nobody! They forced her on you too!
Just like they always try to say..."the poor people are taking all your hard-warned money." Bull!
What we have is socialism for the wealthy.Public monies spent for private gain.
And they always cry Class warfare,and it is.
It's a war against poor people.
Raise the wages, lower the costs.
Stop the outrageous profits and theft of wealth to other countries.
Accountability and transparancy......Something we NEVER had with Bush.
And it is now coming out.....
Good thing they wrote themselves immunity into the law.
Radio, like hardware stores or restaurants is a business. You put the product on that sells. It's no different than the early days of radio when Jack Benny or The Avenger was on. Ratings points translate into cash. If the owners of these stations could make more money with liberal commentators, they would.
Whatever happened to Air America? Al Gores TV Network? No audience.
Radio, like hardware stores or restaurants is a business. You put the product on that sells. It's no different than the early days of radio when Jack Benny or The Avenger was on. Ratings points translate into cash. If the owners of these stations could make more money with liberal commentators, they would.
No, Buzz, licensed radio over restricted bands of public airwaves is not "like hardware stores." Any qualified person can get a loan and open up a hardware store anywhere on Main Street to compete with others.
To make an analogy here with the monopolization of licensed broadcast media, by a consortium of large corporations owning all the stations with the biggest megawattage and for that reason the largst audience,is nonsense and you know it.
Capitalists actually use credit to build factories etc. or lend to those who do. Doctoring and lawyering are 'professions', getting paid by clients for the application of your skills and expertise. Same thing as cartooning. It's a craft. You may well work for and get paid by capitalists, but you'd do the same work under different economic setups. Eh?
Ideally, Ned, but then there's the James Sokolov phenomenon which forces me to operate as both a professional and a businessman. It's not like the English barrister system on this side of the pond.
Then, too, there's the root cause of the financial crisis itself, not lending money to businesses that actually produce valuable goods or provide valuable services, but simply packaging mortgage guarantees to be sold and resold as investors "flip" overvalued real estate. That's what NCAP and Fox TV seeks to protect as free market "capitalism", calculated only to turn a quick buck and not provide any valuable goods or services to society as a whole.
My aunt had a booth at the flea market, she use to make and sell hats out of beer cans, it was a craft... her expertise, she got paid for it, . . . they were a thing of beauty. Especially liked the Pabst Blue Ribbon one.
So, Buzz, you actually had an honest capitalist in your family once, someone who put up her own money to invest in rent and materials, then applied her own talent to producing something of value. Her operation was completely transparent, acquire materials, craft the hats and sell them as is to the public. If the hats didn't have value to anyone, then honest market forces would have put her out of business and nobody would be fooled into losing their life's savings. That's real capitalism.
How different that is from today's corporatist "free market" ideology that you advocate, where capitalism no longer works to produce valuable goods and services, based on honest labor, but is designed simply to turn a quick buck and make the richest Americans even richer -with no government interference with even the most crooked get rich quick scams.
Funny how you use the term oligarchy. Do you mean the likes of the Clintons, the Kennedys, the Kerry/Heinzs?
No, Karen. I don't mean self-made people of modest wealth like the Clintons, people who came from middle class backgrounds and earned their success based on talent and hard work. Nor do I mean rich Americans like Kerry who actually fought for his country instead of just starting oil wars to be fought by others.
I mean the Bushes who are heavily invested in the oil industry, with close ties to the Saudi oil sheiks -Saudis, you know, the ones whose people actually attacked us on 9/11.
While Bush and the petroleum oligarchy start wars to perpetuate their stranglehold on the economy, honorable rich people like Joe Kennedy are working hard to bring affordable heating oil to struggling American families -something the oligarchs like Bush and executives at Halliburton and Exxon Mobil would never even think of doing because it would hurt their bottom line and help some average Americans get out of the hole the corporate oligarchy is trying to bury us in.
Most of the girls in
my High school were
just like that........
Please give us a break. We all know Bill worked very hard to get laid. I guess they didn't have enough talent for Whitewater? Care to comment?
"Keep trying Dick. You haven't swayed me."
Of course not k2, but you sure do help to make my basic point about how the corporate oligarchy, through the GOP, has maintained its ascendancy until just recently by pushing all those buttons on "values" voters like yourself.
Oh, no, poor people should never heat their homes with low cost energy oil if it comes from a dictator in a third world hellhole delivered by a rich philanthropist whose Democratic uncle negligently killed a young woman some 30 years ago -even if it means freezing to death. Isn't that right, karen?
The Clintons, Kennedys and Kerry are not oligarchs because they do not seek to secure all wealth in the hands of their privileged class, as the Bushes do, but instead seek to secure, through the law, the blessings of liberty to everyone and thereby promote the general welfare -as the government is supposed to do under our Constitution.
Not all rich people are oligarchs, but all oligarchs like the Bushes and their henchmen are rich.
We all know Bill worked very hard to get laid. I guess they didn't have enough talent for Whitewater? Care to comment?
Another one like K2 who just can't resist making my point for me. We can play the ad hominem game until the cows come home. For every clinton sin you come up with I can come up with sins like Ws combat evasion, awol, cocaine use, driving drunk, getting his underage sister drunk and so on -including telling lies to start a war. We can go through the same litany pairing off any number of Republicans vs. Democrats. So what?
That's exactly the kind of irrelevant, divisive politics the GOP has been using for decades to avoid focusing on the real issues like why the economy has failed -which is my point.
Limbaugh calls Obama's plan "socialist." If you agree, please tell me where the Constitution prohibits the government from putting private property to public use, or prohibits regulation or taxation.
I've stated clearly where it provides for such powers, so unless you can contradict me on this, you're ad hominem arguments only make my point.
I am an Independent and find your remarks Socialist at best. While you continue to quote the Constitution why not mention the right to bear arms.
"Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Now that your ilk has armed the ghettos the rest of us are preparing to defend our freedom.
In other words, simply stated, to digress or disagree with your viewpoint categorizes all of us in a lump as GOP gas bags?or Limbaugh dittoheads?
Then, as you point out, you must be a left wing socialist?
That, sir, would be too easy, nor correct.
Perhaps, as stated before, you and others from both 'ilks', might realize that most of us who differ in opinions, think for ourselves, and refuse to be pigeonholed into one collective train of thought or group!
I dislike both parties, period.
Freedom of thought and ideas, and the right to express them is the basic foundation of our constitution.
Capitalism is not.
Neither is government control over our lives.
possee
Freedom of thought and ideas, and the right to express them is the basic foundation of our constitution.
Capitalism is not. Neither is government control over our lives.
That is all absolutely true, possee. Where we seem to disagree is about where you see all that "government control over our lives," but not the even more virulent corporate, oligarchical control over our lives that today's GOP represents and Obama doesn't.
Also, your apparent failure to see how Obama's effort to restore economic balance is fully consistent with the express provisions of the Constitution, which I have specifically cited, indicates a basic agreement with Limbaugh's pov about "socialism," and for that reason I have respectfully asked that you and others respond, in kind, to justify that belief in terms of what the Constitution actually says.
If I am mistaken as to your position on this matter, I apologize. Otherwise, I again ask, respectfully, that you explain analytically, and not with mere slogans, exactly how Obama's plan is "socialistic" or unconstitutional for being so.
My ilk has not "armed the ghettoes." The insane eighty year criminalization of drugs, as intensified over the past forty years of Nixon's "war on drugs" has done more than anything to cause people in the "ghettos" as you describe it to arm themselves -that plus the racist real estate red-lining that created those neighborhoods in the first place. Perhaps you think only us white folk have rights under the 2nd Amendment.
For your information, too, before you go much further with your unfounded assumptions about my "ilk," I am a long time member of the Falmouth Rod & Gun Club, and I have always held that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of law abiding citizens to own guns, with or without a militia. When my son was in the boy scouts, I was the one who always took the troop over to the shooting range at the club to teach them about guns, which I believe is a valuable thing that all young boys should learn -girls, too, if they want to.
"You can always tell a Columbia man..... just can't tell him much."
You must be talking about Cheney's legal beagle, "Scooter" Libby, Columbia Law '75, huh? We knew him then as "Irv" and, sad to say, it appears he didn't really learn that much from Professor Herbert Wechsler in our course on Constitutional Law.
From the advice he was giving Cheney, it's clear he didn't learn even a fraction of what Obama learned at Harvard.
And to think that your quip originated at Yale about a Harvard man, too.
I enjoy your posts despite our differences of opinion. Right now I am trying to figure out how to make ends meet at a very difficult time. Hot dogs versus filet. Just hope it doesn't reach the point where I'm sharing my kittens bowl.
I am sure the Cape will have it's share of tourists. But most will hit the beach and fast food. My charter friends in Fla. and Mexico say charters were off 50% this winter.
I will continue to enjoy your writing and wish you the best. But I will refrain from commenting unless it pertains to the Wind Factory.
Enjoy the season,
Jack
http://www.cfr.org/publication/15404/#2
"The CBO now estimates the costs of the Iraq war, projected out through 2017, might top $1 trillion, plus an extra $705 billion in interest payments, and says the total cost of Iraq and Afghanistan combined could reach $2.4 trillion."
http://consumerist.com/5101440/2008-bailout-costs-as-much-as-several-large-and--famous-government-projects-combined
"2008 BAILOUT TOTAL AS OF NOV 2008: $4,616,000,000,000"
Again, let's do the math..
It's a pork fiesta any way you look at it..
More than double the total projected costs of Iraq/Afghanistan combined trough 2017!
and we've spent this pork ending nov 2008!
Can't wait to see the adjusted figures!
Unless one can dispute these figures...
possee
Careful....you will soon be labeled a "whiner".
Take it from me, who has been in your situation for the past 6 years or so.....
And am constantly called a whiner, a loser, told to do something about it, or leave the country if I don't like it...
Yeah, you will find the well-off don't have much sympathy for those lower on the rung....
No matter how they got there.
These figures are to represent costs only..
Pork is prevalent, rampant, in the war machine..a given.
The only ones profiting from war are..
the "banks" who fund them.
the "gun runners" who provide the weaponry for both sides.
the "cleaners" who rebuild the war stricken areas with no earmarks or accountability..agreed!
All in the name of "protecting" the citizenry and nation.
We are not exclusive in the perpetration of war, obviously..
Perhaps a re-issue of some Monty Python movies explains it all so perfectly..
better than I can..
Jabberwocky comes to mind..
possee
You may have missed my comment about the congressional hearing with treasury vice chair and AIG investigators/overseers on CSPAN.
You touched on many points brought up by senators demanding answers. How embarrassing, how unprepared, how unbelievable! AIG demanding more money and claim if they don't get it, other institutions will fail. Isn't that blackmail? I'm wondering if the sole reason for the war in Iraq is to occupy and colonize a strategically advantageous region to further the corporate greed. They took our money because they saw the writing on the wall, Richard. It was every scumbag for himself. And they dare blame this entire fiscal crap shoot on the unsuspecting home owner! It is obvious now the Bush criminal enterprise from teachings of ENRON, their ponzie schemes were to finance a war that put us in the poor house. I'm still hoping facts of 911 will surface. If these grim reapers of wallstreet were allowed to do this, who caused 911?
You are a great writer and well informed. Thanks for putting it all in perspective. Now if we could only get the democratic party to stand tall and fight back. The senators are regretting their decisions on the bailouts, by what I could see on that hearing. But it appears we are caught between a rock and a harder place. I say let them sink to the very bottom, cut them off, and we will be stronger as a nation when we can rebuild, with those who believe in our constitution, by the people and for the people.
Btw, your blog headers do not appear on the "recent comments" section, so it's hard to access your specific blog. You may want to let the editor know.
Please add the former Czech President to your list of debates.
"Massive government spending and tighter regulation would prolong recession, Czech President Vaclav Klaus said on Monday, as he urged U.S. President Barack Obama not to endanger the free market economy in his response to the financial crisis"
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Richard Latimer is a 1972 graduate of U. Mass, Amherst and a 1975 graduate of the Columbia University School of Law and was admitted to the Massachusetts Bar in 1975, the U.S. District Court, D. Mass. in 1976, and the First Circuit Court of Appeals in 1977.
He and his wife of 39 years, Adrienne, have a 22-year-old son Brian, a 2006 graduate of Falmouth High School, who is presently enrolled at Fitchburg State College majoring in media, communications and film studies. Richard has been active in local Falmouth politics, presently as a Town Meeting member and present Chairman of the Planning Board.
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