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Mr. President, There Is Absolutely Nothing Funny About Cannabis Prohibition
03/29/09 · 11:01 am :: posted by Allen
872,000 cannabis arrests each year is no laughing matter
Those are YOUR sons and daughters starting life with a criminal record
President Obama, what could possibly elicit laughter about a cannabis-related arrest occurring every 38 seconds (872,000 annual cannabis arrests; 90% for possession only), 20 million arrests since 1965, approximately 85,000 cannabis-only incarcerations that costs taxpayers tens of billions a year; thousands of medical patients are denied access to a safe/non-toxic medicine and the American farmer alone in the world not cultivating non-psychoactive cannabis (historically known as hemp) for industrial purposes?
I’m keen to give deference to a new President who has, just to name a few items, two unpopular and expensive wars on his hands, along with possibly the worse economy since the early 1930s. But I know that millions of Americans shared my disbelief and tinge of anger when, after soliciting the American people for their top economic concerns to be posted to a government webpage, President Obama provided a left-handed acknowledgement that the topic of marijuana legalization was a very popular one among Internet users (it was in fact the #1 economic concern expressed by Americans), and then chuckled that he ‘didn’t think that legalization was a good idea or a way to help grow the economy’. (See the Obama video below on right.)
The national headlines and blowback by the ‘Netroots’ were both immediate and critical
Columnists from The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan to The Boston Herald's Margery Eagan opine about how Obama should not have been so dismissive, especially in the face of what currently appears to be very strong public support for cannabis law reform, to the point of legalization, which is being debated in the legislatures of California and Massachusetts.
I’ve just read a brand new survey released from California indicating that 54% of citizens support legalizing cannabis; almost 60% believe the regulations should be the same or less than those for alcohol.
Mr. President, when California, the 8th largest economy in the world (and most influential state in the Union), and your largest base of financial, cultural and political support is moving towards adopting practical, cost-effective alternatives to cannabis prohibition, you can’t laugh that off.
42 comments
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03/29/09 @ 12:35 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
"...he ‘didn’t think that legalization was a good idea or a way to help grow the economy’". He doesn't say that legalization is NOT a good idea. He says that he doesn't see legalization being a big economic boon. As I've said in these pages, if sativa and indica were totally legalized, it would spring up in vacant lots like kudzu-- it would no longer even be a commodity.
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Ned [Member] writes:
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/news/x1984813816/GVSU-student-shot-in-drug-raid-calls-for-patience-in-investigation Holy crap check this out...
piggie [Member] writes:
Thanks for the link Ned--
Shot for 3 or 4 joints....
I hope the whole thing escalates
to the point where Barack Obama
can bring about a change...
He's in the best position to do it
and it's a perfect time in history to
discard the smokescreen of harsh pot laws and focus on REAL ISSUES.
Shot for 3 or 4 joints....
I hope the whole thing escalates
to the point where Barack Obama
can bring about a change...
He's in the best position to do it
and it's a perfect time in history to
discard the smokescreen of harsh pot laws and focus on REAL ISSUES.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
It would be a huge boon though, because it costs money to lock these people up. Stop locking them up, you save a lot of money.
Stop ruining lives too.
Those Rockerfellar(sp) drug laws were only put into place so he could show how "tough on crime" he was. The rest of those idiots used it for that too.
Find something better to lock people up for, like violent crimes, or stealing people's life savings....even then, you could find smarter ways of using the justice system.
Our culture is barbaric.
And the key is poverty! End poverty, you end so much crime.
But then you kill the big golden goose money-train don't you? (narco-trafficking, prisons-for-profit)
Obama seems common sensical. Legalizing marijauna is just common sense!!!
Stop ruining lives too.
Those Rockerfellar(sp) drug laws were only put into place so he could show how "tough on crime" he was. The rest of those idiots used it for that too.
Find something better to lock people up for, like violent crimes, or stealing people's life savings....even then, you could find smarter ways of using the justice system.
Our culture is barbaric.
And the key is poverty! End poverty, you end so much crime.
But then you kill the big golden goose money-train don't you? (narco-trafficking, prisons-for-profit)
Obama seems common sensical. Legalizing marijauna is just common sense!!!
karent2 [Member] writes:
I love all the time these pot heads waste on trying ot convince everyone pot is ok or good for you and the economy. What a waste of time. Put your enerygy to something useful and vote for the pot laws the cape police chiefs are asking for. It allows towns to collect the fines and allows citizens to be cited under the towns bylaw as opposed to state law, which will probably show up in a record of some sort and come to haunt you later in life. Alos, if under 18, you won't need to go to drug awareness classes if you are cited under the towns bylaws. The fine is higher than the states but it's less imposing. Be smart and vote these new bylaws in.
crusader [Member] writes:
A wise taxpayer has realized small time drug dealers are paying for freeloader excess in law enforcement that is easily seduced by payoffs, and keeping what they find on dealers. Just look at the news of recent drug dealing cops over the past two years. If we legalize pot, we get rid of those little corrupt problems we don't want and stop sending minor crime offenders to hardened prisons. Let people buy their drugs in a pharmacy. Think of the innocent lives we can save--many are children. Those against this want to keep the LE slush funds going, that's it. California has been doing it and parts of Europe. They don't have the rampant corruption we have, and less addicts.
supercrew [Member] writes:
You'd be taken a little more serious if you took the photo of the tern smoking a joint out of your blog. It makes you seem like you're 15. I'll bet you wear a jean jacket with a big marijuana leaf done up in blue ball point pen, too.
supercrew [Member] writes:
Hey Cru, post a link of those "drug dealing cops", would ya? I seem to have missed those headlines. You'd think a cop dealing drugs would get some airtime over a drunk cop at a mettalica concert. But thats all I seem to see.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Pot IS good for a lot of sick people karent2.....you should hear Melissa Etheridge talk about it!
Taking cancer-treatment drugs, she said the one she took for pain made her throw up, the one she took to stop her from throwing up made her constipated, the one she took to stop the constipation made her throw up! etc etc
She said that smoking a joint took care of it all...in one fell swoop.
Harmless and efficient for her illness. Same with glaucoma and same with MS...just ask Montel Williams.
So, it has a proven record of helping people out.
You could tax it and add to the revenue-stream.
And you could prevent a lot of decent, good people from being labeled criminals because they like to get high.
People need a stress- release and some enjoyment in life....how is that hurting anyone?
it's A big no-brainer!
So, here's a suggestion for you....if you don't like it, don't smoke it.
Or, give up those cocktails that kill millions of people a year.
Taking cancer-treatment drugs, she said the one she took for pain made her throw up, the one she took to stop her from throwing up made her constipated, the one she took to stop the constipation made her throw up! etc etc
She said that smoking a joint took care of it all...in one fell swoop.
Harmless and efficient for her illness. Same with glaucoma and same with MS...just ask Montel Williams.
So, it has a proven record of helping people out.
You could tax it and add to the revenue-stream.
And you could prevent a lot of decent, good people from being labeled criminals because they like to get high.
People need a stress- release and some enjoyment in life....how is that hurting anyone?
it's A big no-brainer!
So, here's a suggestion for you....if you don't like it, don't smoke it.
Or, give up those cocktails that kill millions of people a year.
piggie [Member] writes:
The tern picture is clever, applicable, appropriate, and funny.
I could'nt have thought of anything funnier......
Great job!
I could'nt have thought of anything funnier......
Great job!
bittersweet [Member] writes:
All you have to do is google "drug dealing cops"!!!!
supercrew [Member] writes:
And bitter, when LE encounters someone who uses pot for medicinal reasons, they leave them alone- just like anyone who has a script for any pain medications.
supercrew [Member] writes:
I did Bitter, and I see one in philly, and another in Houston (as reported by the Enquirer[great news source,btw]) but I went back two or three pages and .....none really popped out at me. I do see alot of LE attacked by drug dealers though, but hey that doesnt prove YOUR point though, does it.
supercrew [Member] writes:
You're right piggie...it is funny! I'll bet you blew pot smoke in your dogs face when you get high, too! Does your mommy know your on her computer?
Allen [Member] writes:
Hello Supercrew,
As I can't draw a straight line, the publishers developed the 'cute' graphic assigned to this blog post.
'Clam Bake' was the alternative...
As for my choice of apparel, these days Harris Tweed jackets, as well as Brooks Brothers and Hickey & Freeman suits fit the bill when working 'Gucci Gulch' in the Congress, prowling K St., etc....**
-Allen
NORML
Washington, D.C.
www.norml.org
**though I used to wear a blue jean jacket with a Cape Cod Salties patch on the back while riding off-road motorcycles from Chatham to Dennis on what is now largely the Cape Cod Bike Trail...
As I can't draw a straight line, the publishers developed the 'cute' graphic assigned to this blog post.
'Clam Bake' was the alternative...
As for my choice of apparel, these days Harris Tweed jackets, as well as Brooks Brothers and Hickey & Freeman suits fit the bill when working 'Gucci Gulch' in the Congress, prowling K St., etc....**
-Allen
NORML
Washington, D.C.
www.norml.org
**though I used to wear a blue jean jacket with a Cape Cod Salties patch on the back while riding off-road motorcycles from Chatham to Dennis on what is now largely the Cape Cod Bike Trail...
karent2 [Member] writes:
Bitter, I have no problem with pot used as a pain reliever. Just use it in the hospital or in a doctors office, thats all. Allowing people to take it home and use it responsibly and when "needed" seems to be the problem. Booze is a similar remedy, takes the edge off on a hard/bad day. How many drunks are driving around? How much crime is booze related to or influenced? How many "responsible" adults give booze to kids because it's "no big deal"? Pot will go the same way if left in the hands of the "responsible" ones.
Allen [Member] writes:
Hello Supercrew,
Bitter is not incorrect to point to law enforcement corruption as one of the seven golden rules of prohibition, and, unfortunately, there are myriad examples of such in the US...and obviously in Mex., Cent/S.America; Afghanistan, etc...
29 Jan 2009
WSJ (US)
LEGAL SYSTEM STRUGGLES WITH HOW TO REACT WHEN POLICE OFFICERS LIE
---
Feb. 04, 2009
Officers' arrests put Fresno's drug squad on hold:
www.fresnobee.com/local/story/1178081.html
--
Jan. 30, 2009
Fresno police officers held in auto theft
www.fresnobee.com/local/story/1167035.html
--
And this tragedy of prohibition:
www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/22/elderly.shootout.ap/index.html
Thankfully, these days, there is an organization of law enforcement and former officers working for alternatives to prohibition, which will make the jobs and lives of police safer, and that group is Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (leap.cc). The director is a former narcotics officer named Jack Cole, who lives in Medford, MA.
-Allen
NORML
Washington, D.C
www.norml.org
Bitter is not incorrect to point to law enforcement corruption as one of the seven golden rules of prohibition, and, unfortunately, there are myriad examples of such in the US...and obviously in Mex., Cent/S.America; Afghanistan, etc...
29 Jan 2009
WSJ (US)
LEGAL SYSTEM STRUGGLES WITH HOW TO REACT WHEN POLICE OFFICERS LIE
---
Feb. 04, 2009
Officers' arrests put Fresno's drug squad on hold:
www.fresnobee.com/local/story/1178081.html
--
Jan. 30, 2009
Fresno police officers held in auto theft
www.fresnobee.com/local/story/1167035.html
--
And this tragedy of prohibition:
www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/22/elderly.shootout.ap/index.html
Thankfully, these days, there is an organization of law enforcement and former officers working for alternatives to prohibition, which will make the jobs and lives of police safer, and that group is Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (leap.cc). The director is a former narcotics officer named Jack Cole, who lives in Medford, MA.
-Allen
NORML
Washington, D.C
www.norml.org
piggie [Member] writes:
Supercrew posted:
"And bitter, when LE encounters someone who uses pot for medicinal reasons, they leave them alone- just like anyone who has a script for any pain medications."
This is totally inapplicable
in Massachusetts and can't be applied here.
Also:
I don't own a dog and my Mother
(Miriam Erickson Wilharm-- a Cape artist- antique dealer)
passed away with cancer in 1986 VOMITING from the effects of chemotherapy..
She would'nt touch a joint
right up until the end, even though it
would have relieved her of 90% of the nausea, she would'nt take it because it was "illegal".
Just the next-to-useless 100.00 a bottle
garbage medication that did'nt do very much at all...
"And bitter, when LE encounters someone who uses pot for medicinal reasons, they leave them alone- just like anyone who has a script for any pain medications."
This is totally inapplicable
in Massachusetts and can't be applied here.
Also:
I don't own a dog and my Mother
(Miriam Erickson Wilharm-- a Cape artist- antique dealer)
passed away with cancer in 1986 VOMITING from the effects of chemotherapy..
She would'nt touch a joint
right up until the end, even though it
would have relieved her of 90% of the nausea, she would'nt take it because it was "illegal".
Just the next-to-useless 100.00 a bottle
garbage medication that did'nt do very much at all...
Ned [Member] writes:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norm-stamper/marijuana-no-laughing-mat_b_180378.html karent2 you just suggested that a person dying a slow agonizing death from cancer, relying on stressed-out family as full-time caregivers, have to be transported to a medical facility for every smoke. Cruel, thoughtless and abusive. Note the police chief with the necktie in this article saying, "Who're you going to believe, us or doctors?"
piggie [Member] writes:
Here's some of Karent2's
"milestone" quotes:
11/26/08 @ 9:22 pm
This is crap.
12/17/08 @ 12:54 pm
Holy sh!t are you off your rocker!!!!
YOU WHACKO!!!!!!
03/15/09 @ 9:33 pm
First off, STFU.
03/14/09 @ 6:51 pm
You are an idiot.
03/13/09 @ 10:37 pm
You are foolish
03/12/09 @ 7:05 pm
What a no talent clown
12/08/08 @ 9:49 pm
maybe cause you're nuts
10/30/08 @ 9:42 pm
You really are a bum! There is a special level of Dante's inferno waiting for you sweetie.
10/30/08 @ 9:36 pm
suckers
01/07/09 @ 6:04 pm
You idiots
10/30/08 @ 12:13 pm
Oh, and that bum, get a job comment? That's geared toward you too.
03/04/09 @ 8:30 pm
I don't need Rush Limbaugh or Hannity to tell me how to live my life
The last one is really in-depth.....
"milestone" quotes:
11/26/08 @ 9:22 pm
This is crap.
12/17/08 @ 12:54 pm
Holy sh!t are you off your rocker!!!!
YOU WHACKO!!!!!!
03/15/09 @ 9:33 pm
First off, STFU.
03/14/09 @ 6:51 pm
You are an idiot.
03/13/09 @ 10:37 pm
You are foolish
03/12/09 @ 7:05 pm
What a no talent clown
12/08/08 @ 9:49 pm
maybe cause you're nuts
10/30/08 @ 9:42 pm
You really are a bum! There is a special level of Dante's inferno waiting for you sweetie.
10/30/08 @ 9:36 pm
suckers
01/07/09 @ 6:04 pm
You idiots
10/30/08 @ 12:13 pm
Oh, and that bum, get a job comment? That's geared toward you too.
03/04/09 @ 8:30 pm
I don't need Rush Limbaugh or Hannity to tell me how to live my life
The last one is really in-depth.....
Ned [Member] writes:
Exactly, piggie. It's seemed to me since reading the "Ugly Blogs" article in one of the last issues of the CCVoice,,, that 'karent2' might be code for 'Taryn Thoman'... Tx2, get it? Isn't she locally famous for just this emotional tone to all her er, postings? Am I allowed to bring this up?
piggie [Member] writes:
This is really bordering on an intellectual concept of life
but i'll try my best and i'll
look at CCVoice and see...
Maybe i'll find a few more "milestones".
BTW- Is any of your work
in Nat'l Lampoon?..I have every one of those.
but i'll try my best and i'll
look at CCVoice and see...
Maybe i'll find a few more "milestones".
BTW- Is any of your work
in Nat'l Lampoon?..I have every one of those.
supercrew [Member] writes:
piggie [Member] writes:
Supercrew posted:
"And bitter, when LE encounters someone who uses pot for medicinal reasons, they leave them alone- just like anyone who has a script for any pain medications."
This is totally inapplicable
in Massachusetts and can't be applied here.
Wrong you are, Ms. Piggie...
It is applicable here, and I have applied it. Many times, I might add, as my family delt with cancer AND glaucoma, and had doctors scripts that allowed it's use.
Try again.
Supercrew posted:
"And bitter, when LE encounters someone who uses pot for medicinal reasons, they leave them alone- just like anyone who has a script for any pain medications."
This is totally inapplicable
in Massachusetts and can't be applied here.
Wrong you are, Ms. Piggie...
It is applicable here, and I have applied it. Many times, I might add, as my family delt with cancer AND glaucoma, and had doctors scripts that allowed it's use.
Try again.
piggie [Member] writes:
If you google "Taryn Thoman"
you'll see QUITE a bit about her.
But this looks like the best:
http://sevenvillagesblog.com/2007/11/03/halloween-is-over-but-the-witches-goblins-and-monsters-wont-leave-till-november-7/
Even found a picture-
Damn mean looking thing too...
It looks like she's actually running for public office!!
you'll see QUITE a bit about her.
But this looks like the best:
http://sevenvillagesblog.com/2007/11/03/halloween-is-over-but-the-witches-goblins-and-monsters-wont-leave-till-november-7/
Even found a picture-
Damn mean looking thing too...
It looks like she's actually running for public office!!
piggie [Member] writes:
NEXT BATTER UP!!
Hold on, I gotta
strike this one out...
Here's what "supercrew"
is all about:
02/11/09 @ 6:00 pm
Way to go, fathead!
02/10/09 @ 6:56 am
Just crawl back under a rock and continue to live your sheltered life.
02/16/09 @ 7:10 am
Latimer should team up with that dope smoking "Dewey"
02/16/09 @ 12:04 pm
Oh, and by the way, Mr. smarter than thou,
03/04/09 @ 5:59 pm
do you just bounce around like a butterfly on heroin?
02/19/09 @ 8:00 am
Ah, need a pat on the back, do you Dick?
03/11/09 @ 7:25 pm
Ah, I wasn't making "snide comments"
02/13/09 @ 6:37 pm
My complaints fell on deaf ears
Hold on, I gotta
strike this one out...
Here's what "supercrew"
is all about:
02/11/09 @ 6:00 pm
Way to go, fathead!
02/10/09 @ 6:56 am
Just crawl back under a rock and continue to live your sheltered life.
02/16/09 @ 7:10 am
Latimer should team up with that dope smoking "Dewey"
02/16/09 @ 12:04 pm
Oh, and by the way, Mr. smarter than thou,
03/04/09 @ 5:59 pm
do you just bounce around like a butterfly on heroin?
02/19/09 @ 8:00 am
Ah, need a pat on the back, do you Dick?
03/11/09 @ 7:25 pm
Ah, I wasn't making "snide comments"
02/13/09 @ 6:37 pm
My complaints fell on deaf ears
Ned [Member] writes:
Aieee piggie-- you're close on that. I lettered a few strips for Ron'Politenessman'Barrett... I had 2 or 3 short strips in NL's sister publication HEAVY METAL: this is all in the late 70s, what you may be thinking of are the many strips I had in the IMITATORS of NL- which could be rawer, funnier, and way weirder than NL's Preppie outlook-- These were mostly done by Cloud Studios(Bill Skurski,Tom Hachtman,Peter Bramley) who'd artdirected the first 4 issues of NL but were thereafter deemed too Underground/Hippyish: they'd be GRIN aka DROOL, HARPOON aka INTERNATIONAL INSANITY... hmm there may have been one other title... anyway you get the idea... thru a bunch of different publishers, including AP heir Huntington Hartford(!) but the same basic staff. Some of this crew including myself then went on to Marvel's CRAZY, helmed by one of Wally Wood's last assistants Larry GI JOE Hama... I also had some funny sci-fi strips in Myron Fass' HEAVY METAL ripoff GASM at this time...
Ned [Member] writes:
HARPOON became APPLE PIE for obvious reasons. Dennis Lopez published those at his dad's Lopez Publications. INTERNATIONAL INSANITY was Hartford's picking-up-of-the-slack when Lopez lost interest. Hunt figured it was a good way to meet girls, I guess...
piggie [Member] writes:
Ned-
Yeah, I heard you did some things for
HEAVY METAL-- I used to see that advertised
alll the time in the 70s but I never
got into it. I'll check it out.
That stuff's all over the net if you know where to find it.
Check my post about "taryn" (above)
because she has QUITE the reputation..
POLITENESSMAN!!!
"Thank You for reading this button"
God, I love anything out of the 70s!!
I'd go back if I could, even if there was no internet.
Yeah, I heard you did some things for
HEAVY METAL-- I used to see that advertised
alll the time in the 70s but I never
got into it. I'll check it out.
That stuff's all over the net if you know where to find it.
Check my post about "taryn" (above)
because she has QUITE the reputation..
POLITENESSMAN!!!
"Thank You for reading this button"
God, I love anything out of the 70s!!
I'd go back if I could, even if there was no internet.
piggie [Member] writes:
Can anybody believe this nonsense?
Wrong you are, Ms. Piggie...
It is applicable here, and I have applied it. Many times, I might add, as my family delt with cancer AND glaucoma, and had doctors scripts that allowed it's use.
Try again.
TRY AGAIN??...What for?
That's total nonsense to post that you
can acquire marijuana for medical patients in Massachusetts. Prove it.
Even with links, I don't want to know anything you
do personally, just try to back up that useless statement
with an example....Go right ahead!
Wrong you are, Ms. Piggie...
It is applicable here, and I have applied it. Many times, I might add, as my family delt with cancer AND glaucoma, and had doctors scripts that allowed it's use.
Try again.
TRY AGAIN??...What for?
That's total nonsense to post that you
can acquire marijuana for medical patients in Massachusetts. Prove it.
Even with links, I don't want to know anything you
do personally, just try to back up that useless statement
with an example....Go right ahead!
crusader [Member] writes:
yes, piggie...LOL!
karent always has such a pleasant attitude while posting, doesn't she?
HA! And she's in love with Peter Manso! Well, that makes two of them.
Maybe he paid her to say that. Then again, he never pays for anything because he suffers from a superiority complex among other things. Plumbers, journalists and researchers beware!
karent always has such a pleasant attitude while posting, doesn't she?
HA! And she's in love with Peter Manso! Well, that makes two of them.
Maybe he paid her to say that. Then again, he never pays for anything because he suffers from a superiority complex among other things. Plumbers, journalists and researchers beware!
piggie [Member] writes:
Someone just brought up the possible
connection between Karent2 and a
(god I hate spelling this) "Taryn Thoman"
If you google that name, or
better yet click on the link I posted
a few posts up,
This woman has QUITE A "track record"
You can even see an image of some
woman-- long dirty blond hair- maybe 45
but GOD is she mean-looking!!
connection between Karent2 and a
(god I hate spelling this) "Taryn Thoman"
If you google that name, or
better yet click on the link I posted
a few posts up,
This woman has QUITE A "track record"
You can even see an image of some
woman-- long dirty blond hair- maybe 45
but GOD is she mean-looking!!
Bethany [Member] writes:
Speaking of being stoned (which thankfully means something gentler here than in other parts of the world), did anyone notice that the pic is of a SEAGULL smoking a fatty, not a tern?? Funny....
capemom [Member] writes:
Let capitalism and entrepreneurialism do their magic free of ridiculous laws criminalizing pot. Envision pot boutiques where all different flavors and strengths of pot are sold, all grown free of toxic pesticides, much like exists in California today except you have to have a card from doctor saying you need it for medical reasons. (It's not too hard, you pay a doctor about $300 and say you're stressed out, you get the card no problem.)
Tax it, regulate it for safety like you would any other consumable product, save billions in arresting and jailing pot smokers, it's the only rational answer.
The only ones opposed to it are geriatric martini-sipping hypocrites and/or job security-fearing cops, who will have less work to do arresting 19 year-olds and giving them a criminal record.
Tax it, regulate it for safety like you would any other consumable product, save billions in arresting and jailing pot smokers, it's the only rational answer.
The only ones opposed to it are geriatric martini-sipping hypocrites and/or job security-fearing cops, who will have less work to do arresting 19 year-olds and giving them a criminal record.
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Even a strong anti-drug person should be rooting for a society where harmless marijuana isn't persecuted, but coke and heroin dealers are run from town due to overwhelming police attention. Instead, they 5-0 are wasting their time persecuting a mellow section of the populace. Every cop looking for marijuana should instead be parked outside of the town's taverns, giving the Breathalyzer to each person who tries to drive out. THAT would be effective policing, and would remove a wave of crime and death from our streets. Instead, we have to pay some freeloader to sit in court waiting 5 hours to testify against someone who picked up a Z in front of a furiously overpaid detective.
piggie [Member] writes:
Bethany posted:
"did anyone notice that the pic is of a SEAGULL smoking a fatty, not a tern?? Funny...."
It's a sobriety test!
If you see:
A seagull....you're straight
A tern......you're stoned (good pot)
Mae West....you're stoned (very good pot)
Betty Boop...you're stoned (the BEST)
Richard Nixon....turn off computer immediately.
"did anyone notice that the pic is of a SEAGULL smoking a fatty, not a tern?? Funny...."
It's a sobriety test!
If you see:
A seagull....you're straight
A tern......you're stoned (good pot)
Mae West....you're stoned (very good pot)
Betty Boop...you're stoned (the BEST)
Richard Nixon....turn off computer immediately.
Ned [Member] writes:
I don't touch the stuff for months at a time but my neuronic pathways must be permanently altered from the 70s/early 80s.
oh the huge manatee! [Member] writes:
I'm pretty sure that his reply was fine. In context, the question was "is it a good way to GROW THE ECONOMY", and he said that it wasn't a good way to GROW THE ECONOMY. All this criticism of him for these remarks are taken pretty far out of context, in my opinion - Just like Bill Mahr did last week.
There doesn't exist a logical and sensible argument that would show legalization to be a way to "grow the economy".
I think criticisms of Obama's pot comment the other day are just plain silly. I'm in favor of decriminalization, etc., but I'm also in favor of not crying too much if Obama doesn't march lock-step with NORML. If he did, it would be political suicide, obviously. It would be right up there with Clinton's supposed first decision to allow gays openly in the military. Politically, it would be smart for Obama to start decriminalization slowly, and a little later on. This way, the right won't be able to hang him with it as easily. I'd say, give Obama a break and be grateful that he actually agrees with you and has already stepped back enforcement, duh.
There doesn't exist a logical and sensible argument that would show legalization to be a way to "grow the economy".
I think criticisms of Obama's pot comment the other day are just plain silly. I'm in favor of decriminalization, etc., but I'm also in favor of not crying too much if Obama doesn't march lock-step with NORML. If he did, it would be political suicide, obviously. It would be right up there with Clinton's supposed first decision to allow gays openly in the military. Politically, it would be smart for Obama to start decriminalization slowly, and a little later on. This way, the right won't be able to hang him with it as easily. I'd say, give Obama a break and be grateful that he actually agrees with you and has already stepped back enforcement, duh.
piggie [Member] writes:
Manatee posted:
"There doesn't exist a logical and sensible argument that would show legalization to be a way to "grow the economy".
These links will show you PLENTY:
Milton Friedman, 500+ Economists Call for Marijuana Regulation Debate; New Report Projects $10-14 Billion Annual Savings and Revenues
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
Marijuana is top U.S. cash crop, pro-legalization analysis says
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003482836_marijuana18.html
Lost Taxes and Other Costs of Marijuana Laws
by Jon Gettman
http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr4/bcr4_index.html
If you disagree with these links
then please explain your personal criteria for
"a logical and sensible argument"
And thank you for ending your
post with "duh".
That annoyed me enough to refute
the illogical and nonsensical
statement you just posted.
"There doesn't exist a logical and sensible argument that would show legalization to be a way to "grow the economy".
These links will show you PLENTY:
Milton Friedman, 500+ Economists Call for Marijuana Regulation Debate; New Report Projects $10-14 Billion Annual Savings and Revenues
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
Marijuana is top U.S. cash crop, pro-legalization analysis says
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003482836_marijuana18.html
Lost Taxes and Other Costs of Marijuana Laws
by Jon Gettman
http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr4/bcr4_index.html
If you disagree with these links
then please explain your personal criteria for
"a logical and sensible argument"
And thank you for ending your
post with "duh".
That annoyed me enough to refute
the illogical and nonsensical
statement you just posted.
supercrew [Member] writes:
Ms Piggie.
Police officers have a lot of discretion in regards to effecting an arrest or not. If someone were to show an officer that they have some need (i.e. medical)for the cannibis, I think
you'll find most officers will allow that person to continue on their way without interuption. I'm sure you wont believe it, but believe me- it has happened, and more that you know.
Police officers have a lot of discretion in regards to effecting an arrest or not. If someone were to show an officer that they have some need (i.e. medical)for the cannibis, I think
you'll find most officers will allow that person to continue on their way without interuption. I'm sure you wont believe it, but believe me- it has happened, and more that you know.
oh the huge manatee! [Member] writes:
piggie: A little late here, I just saw your post. I'm not wading through those links. If you read what I said, I don't disagree that it would be a good thing to legalize it. All those good economic benefits are very small when weighted against anything even remotely approaching "growing the economy", which is the actual context of Obama's reply. So, while your individual points are true, they don't add up to much more than a pittance as a percentage of GDP, not something to pursue to "grow the economy". They are good to pursue for all the reasons you cite, but growing the economy is silly regarding this issue, I feel.
My definition of "grow the economy" is something that would create growth of GDP significantly. It wouldn't. My definition is different from yours I guess. Yours would be.....?
The duh was because it is so obvious to me that Obama would be shot down if he made this an early priority. This is Poli Sci 101 really... Also, I feel your overheated criticisms are at the expense of any praise for what good he has already done, like pledge less CA enforcement.
My definition of "grow the economy" is something that would create growth of GDP significantly. It wouldn't. My definition is different from yours I guess. Yours would be.....?
The duh was because it is so obvious to me that Obama would be shot down if he made this an early priority. This is Poli Sci 101 really... Also, I feel your overheated criticisms are at the expense of any praise for what good he has already done, like pledge less CA enforcement.
piggie [Member] writes:
"Ms Piggie.
Police officers have a lot of discretion in regards to effecting an arrest or not. If someone were to show an officer that they have some need (i.e. medical)for the cannibis,"
Cops are pigs.
They bust people for the sheer joy of it.
They're monsters.
Decriminilize pot and let the viscious
swine cops bully the real criminals.
Little self-appointed thugs-with-badges is what they really are.
discretion dismession!
Police officers have a lot of discretion in regards to effecting an arrest or not. If someone were to show an officer that they have some need (i.e. medical)for the cannibis,"
Cops are pigs.
They bust people for the sheer joy of it.
They're monsters.
Decriminilize pot and let the viscious
swine cops bully the real criminals.
Little self-appointed thugs-with-badges is what they really are.
discretion dismession!
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