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Health Care or Health Scare ?

How does Cape Cod health care compare with that of Canada?
Let's have Wellfleet compete with Winnipeg

By Richard Bartlett


In Canada doctors run their own practices and are paid by provincial agencies.

In the current national debate about health care reform our northern neighbor is often cast as a reprehensible boogieman.

Those indebted to the medical insurance lobby's massive slush funds insist on calling the Canadian plan socialized medicine, even though it isn't.

In a socialized plan the doctors are on salary. In Canada doctors run their own practices and are paid by provincial agencies using national funds.

How does our good but expensive Cape Cod health care compare with that of Canada?

Using national averages let's have Wellfleet compete with Winnipeg.

Entries on Google for this comparison number 3,290,000 with some in conflict with others. Only the most recent posts from the most reliable sources are used here.


WHO
ranks Canada 30th, with the USA trailing at 37th.

Winnie (Winnepeg) vs. Willie (Wellfleet)

Winnie of Winnipeg spends $630 (in American currency) of her own money on health care.

Willie from Wellfleet spends $2719 out of pocket.

Winnie's government spent $1533,

Willie's spent $2168 on health.

Winnie's doctor graduated with a $70,000 loan debt,

Willie's owed $140,000.

1% of Winnie's medical cost goes for paperwork, whereas it's 31% in Willie's case.

Winnie's doctor has absolute authority in deciding on expensive items like MRIs and special treatments with no government interference.

Willie's case is different. His doctor has an insurance bureaucrat intervening to keep profits up.

Canadians live longer and have a lower infant mortality rate than we do


Republican U.S. Senate leader  Mitch McConnell has taken $425,000 in medmoney since 2005

We hear a lot of fallacious talk about long lines for treatment in Canada. The Republican leader in the U.S. Senate Senator Mitch McConnell  (who has taken $425,000 in medmoney since 2005) said on CNN that a knee replacement in Ontario required a 340 day wait.

Checking on that, a skeptical CNN sent a reporter to the very hospital the Senator had referred to and found it was 91 days on average. The other 249 days were a fiction designed to scare us into sticking with the flawed status quo.

And even with all the cost savings, Canadians live longer and have a lower infant mortality rate than we do. In fact, the World Health Organization ranks Canada 30th, with the USA trailing at 37th.

The Boogieman Northerners are doing just fine. We could do as well if we can just avoid being conned.

Richard C. Bartlett, Cotuit

23 comments
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07/08/09 @ 2:40 pm
Gadfly [Member] writes:
Boy, talk about a one sided article! You don't mention how much Winnie pays in taxes for health care per year. Nor do you mention how long the knee replacement waiting list is on Cape Cod.(my guess is that there isn't one)
07/08/09 @ 2:44 pm
Gadfly [Member] writes:
You might find this link interesting that according to Canada's own Health Ministry the waiting time for knee-replacement is 195 days.
http://www.health.gov.on.ca/transformation/wait_times/providers/wt_pro_mn.html
07/08/09 @ 3:06 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
I recently returned from Toronto/Ottowa. I was there in my work capacity and we were discussing health care.

We spoke to a woman in her 40's who injured her hip. It was to take her up to a year for the diagnosis and an additional 9-12 months for her scheduled MRI and then an additional 9-12 months for scheduled surgery. That's almost 3 years. Did I mention that she was in pain?

She ended up going to a "private" MRI clinic which shaved about a year off the process. It cost her $ 750 for the private MRI.

These private clinics are starting to appear across Canada. There quite controversial, but some people will go to great lengths to get the type of care we have here in the States.
07/09/09 @ 11:42 am
Mary [Member] writes:
When healthcare reform hit the headlines in the nineties, opponents used the bugaboo that in a single-payer system, we would not be able to choose our own doctor.
Now that that has been disproved, we are seeing scare tactics about waiting times. I have had numerous friends who have had knee or hip replacements and none have gone into the hospital the day after they were diagnosed.
What is not part of these discussions are the ways in which the conservatives in Canada (and Britain, for that matter)can undermine national healthcare. One way is to slip in an amendment that allows private hospitals to give care that was not permissible under the original bill. Another is to underfund the system, particularly the hospitals, so that they must make do on less. Blair’s party, for instance, demanded that he restore funding for their system that had been cut drastically under both Thatcher and Major.
Conservatives always want any kind of service privatized. That’s what Bush tried to do with Social Security. But no party in Canada would dare argue that the country should return to the old ways
07/09/09 @ 3:08 pm
Gadfly [Member] writes:
Interesting point Mary. When Mass. forced everyone to have insurance I was forced to find a new doctor because the one I had at the time didn't take the insurance I could afford. So I went shopping for a new doctor, what did I find? "Sorry we are not accepting any new patients with your type of insurance." I finally did find a doctor but I really don't like him, but guess what Mary? I can't go anywhere else. So do I have a choice?
07/09/09 @ 3:25 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
The Province of Ontario spends nearly half of the provincial budget on health care. This number is expected to increase significantly through 2012. How do you keep up with these spiraling costs? Cut education and other social programs.

Remember, the population of Canada is around 33 million. The US has approx.. 300 million more people.

In addition to the one payer system in Canada, employers and residents also have "supplementary" insurance to pay for medication, vision, and other costs.
07/10/09 @ 1:29 am
Ned [Member] writes:
Evidently I can't say what I'm dyin' to say, but I will say that Commonwealth Care has me seeing my late wife's therapist and one of my late wife's nurse-practioners... they know precisely what I went thru and we're trying some stuff that seems to be helping. Socialism is sweet!
07/10/09 @ 3:45 am
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Just always have someone on speed dial who can acquire Oxycontin, and you really don't need doctors and stuff unless your appendix, like, uhm, breaks or something.
07/10/09 @ 7:16 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
"Socialism is sweet"

HOW SWEET? From the Boston Globe:
The board of the Massachusetts Connector Authority, which oversees the state's health insurance law of 2006, cut $115 million in funding, or 12%, from Commonwealth Care, which subsidizes premiums for low-income residents.
Even with federal backing, the state may not be able to afford the insurance initiative as designed, because the law did not make any attempt to trim wasteful health spending, said Alan Sager, a Boston University professor no decision has been made about the 28,000 documented immigrants whose Commonwealth Care coverage would be dropped under the budget state lawmakers approved
07/10/09 @ 7:57 am
possee [Member] writes:
Buzz

Despite the huge waste,and costs, in our current system of private pay..just imagine the untold mess it will be once the inept bureaucrats take charge..
they can not even run a lemonade stand at a profit ..
and all their relatives, without any knowldge of healthcare, will be adminstrating our coverage..

possee
07/10/09 @ 8:07 am
possee [Member] writes:
With this constant barrage of nationalized healthcare, proponents really want to trust the government to run their healthcare given the feds prior track record of accomplishments?

As with all government programs, the administrative costs will severely impact any proposed care to the needy and uninsured..have you forgotten the lurid past?

please...

possee
07/10/09 @ 8:11 am
bpayne66 [Member] writes:
Interesting, and I do agree our system is flawed. However, I have a good friend who lives in Canada. Last year her husband had some health issues. He was worried it might be serious. However, when he called to make an appointment, he was told he would have a 2 month wait! Not wanting to wait, he opted instead to go to New York, seek out a doctor's care, and pay out of pocket. Luckily, he could afford to do that. SO while I will concede that there is something very wrong here in the US, I do not think the picture is as rosy in Canada as it is presented here.
07/10/09 @ 8:16 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Possee,

I'm appalled... you're surely not suggesting that a nationalized health care program would be subject to patronage and cronyism?
07/10/09 @ 8:33 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
bpayne66,

Thank you for your comment. However, due to the lack of "lack of severity" of your comment, I am unable to respond for at least 3-4 months. If you'd please take a seat in our "commenter" waiting room we'll get to you as soon as we can. If you notice any sudden changes... such as, bleeding from the eyes, dizziness or uncontrollable diarrhea, you may be eligible for an upgrade to "pending" status, if that's the case, we'll see you in a month.
07/10/09 @ 11:32 am
Ned [Member] writes:
I had my original Comment deleted due to Commenting on another Commenter's... umm... hmmm... at any rate would the Commenter in the interest of fairness and balance desist from Commenting on my Comment? The hand tied behind my back is getting rope burns.
07/10/09 @ 12:00 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Are rope burns covered by the state plan? In general... not specific to anyone here.
07/10/09 @ 1:00 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Reporters At Murdoch Papers Accused of Hacking Into Cell Phone(from DEMOCRACY NOW!)
The Guardian newspaper reports Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp. has paid out about $1.6 million to settle lawsuits that would have revealed that dozens of Murdoch’s reporters in Britain had worked with private investigators to spy on numerous public figures. Reporters at the News of the World and the Sun reportedly hacked into cellphones and accessed confidential personal data, including tax records, social security files, bank statements and itemized phone bills. The list of targeted individuals included politicians, sports stars and entertainers. British officials said 31 journalists working for the tabloid newspapers were involved in the scandal. (Not specific to anyone here)

07/10/09 @ 1:02 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
oops just delete that
07/10/09 @ 5:25 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
I wonder if David Carradine had rope burns? Snatch the pebble from my hand grasshopper.
07/10/09 @ 8:15 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Buzz

How dare you insinuate that..in an atmosphere of "transparency"..

are you "stimulated" yet?

possee
07/12/09 @ 11:21 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
According to today's Boston Globe. (Boston Medical Center) The hospital estimates that it will close this year $38 million in the red, its first loss in five years.

Ironically, hospital officials blame the downturn partly on changes ushered in with the state’s groundbreaking mandatory health insurance law.
07/17/09 @ 9:23 am
John [Member] writes:
I wish Delahunt, Kerry, and Kennedy would join the Blue Dogs so they can put pressure on to get what we need. Small businesses on the Cape will go under with what is proposed. I hate seeing them go along with the crowd.
07/17/09 @ 9:33 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Short term versus long term goals or conflict with implications?
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