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Mary Jo Kopechne died 40 years ago today

"We Can't Find Mary Jo" - Kennedy at Chappaquiddick
The accident which changed his life and ended hers

By Mary Wentworth

Just past midnight on Saturday, July 19, 1969, Senator Ted Kennedy drove his black Oldsmobile sedan off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island near Martha's Vineyard, just off Cape Cod. The Senator escaped a watery death, but a passenger in his car, twenty-eight-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne, below on right,, did not.

Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin were preparing to be the first human beings to walk on the moon. The Black Panthers were holding a national convention in Oakland, California, while the Vietnam War troubled the consciences of millions of Americans. What brought Kennedy to Chappaquiddick, however, was the Edgartown Sailing Regatta, an event in which the Kennedys had participated for many years.


A police diver examines the inside of the Kennedy car in the water aside the Dyke Bridge in Chappaquiddick.

The accident at Chappaquiddick has cast a long shadow over Kennedy's political life, crippling his quest, for example, for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1980.

At the time, and since then, nearly all newspaper and magazine articles, and even books, have concentrated on discrediting Kennedy's account of his actions both before and after the incident.

Nation didn't believe his story

According to a Time-Harris poll (Time 8/6/69), the account offered by Kennedy over nationwide television on the Friday following the accident was not accepted by a majority of the American people. Fifty-one percent felt that it was an inadequate explanation of what he was doing at the post-regatta party and of what he was doing with Kopechne, on right. The responses questioned his honesty. Even for that minority who believed him, the event raised questions about his ability to handle a crisis.

Many questions about this case have never been satisfactorily resolved. At what time did Kennedy actually leave the party? Was his turn on to Dyke Road a mistake as he claimed in his statement to the police and in his television address to the nation? Or was it intentional? After the accident, why didn't he seek help from people in nearby cottages? If he had been, in fact, too traumatized to ask for assistance as he claimed in his television talk, why didn't his friends immediately contact authorities when they were told of the accident?

The lack of credible explanations to these questions touched off speculation that the truth about Mary Jo's death was more shocking than Kennedy's statements about it. Teddy Bare, published by the John Birch Society in 1971, disparages the handling of the case by judges and prosecutors and ridicules the testimony of Kennedy's friends and associates, leaving the reader to believe that Kennedy was guilty of criminal negligence.

A plausible explanation 40 years later

Now, as the fortieth anniversary approaches, it is high time to present a plausible explanation of what actually happened that fateful night. The following reconstruction, developed from general descriptions of the scene, numerous eyewitness interviews, investigative reports, and Kennedy's statements that have been published in newspapers and magazines, explains why events unfolded as they did.

Below is the New York Times story on 7/24/69.

This approach demonstrates conclusively that the only hypothesis that fits the overall picture is that there were three people in the car. This theory has been mentioned in the media from time to time. For instance, Herb Caen, a well-known columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle, noted in his column of July 9, 1981, that locals have come to believe that this was the case. In a step-by-step process, however, this reconstruction shows for the first time exactly how such a theory is the only credible explanation.

Kennedy's version is built around the premise that he knew that Kopechne was in his automobile when he only knew that in retrospect - after her body was discovered to be there by a scuba diver.

At a party hosted by Kennedy, attendees included Esther Newberg, an Urban Institute employee, Rosemary Keough, a secretary on Kennedy's staff, Maryellen Lyons, an assistant to Massachusetts Senator Beryl Cohen, Ann Lyons, Maryellen's sister and a Kennedy staffer, Susan Tannenbaum, an aide to Congressman Allard Lowenstein, and Mary Jo Kopechne, an employee of Matt Reese Associates, a campaign consulting firm. All six had worked in what we today would call "the war room" of Robert Kennedy's presidential campaign that ended tragically with his assassination in June of 1968. These young, unmarried women had been looking forward to this weekend reunion (NYT 7/24/1969).

In addition to Kennedy, the other men who attended the party were Charles Tretter, a lawyer who had been on Robert Kennedy's staff, Ray LaRosa, a civil defense official, who along with Tretter, was often a sailing companion of the Senator's, John Crimmins, a Kennedy employee and chauffeur, Paul Markham, an Assistant District Attorney for Massachusetts, and Joseph Gargan, a Kennedy cousin. All but one were married (NYT 7/24/1969).


Edgartown Police Chief Dominick Arena took photos...

of the car recovery.

Kennedy's police statement. A full size version is below.

After an afternoon of watching races from a Kennedy yacht, the party got under way about eight Friday evening with cocktails and barbecued steaks at a rented cottage.

Newspaper reports described Mary Jo as being dedicated to politics, particularly where the Kennedys were concerned. Not a "swinger" by any means, she was relatively quiet, perhaps naive, and noted for her "thoroughness, industriousness, and discretion" (Time 8/1/69). The summer sun and ocean breezes combined with the day's activities, one or two drinks, and a full meal could easily have motivated her to look for a peaceful place to nap before the others were ready to call it a night and head back to Edgartown. Since the cottage was a small ranch-style with only three rooms, the darkened and quiet inside of the Olds with its commodious rear seat must have looked inviting.

Kennedy maintained in his statement to the police (NYT 7/26/69) as well as in his address to the nation (NYT 7/26/69) that he and Kopechne left the party at 11:15 p.m. to catch the ferry to Edgartown before its last scheduled crossing at midnight. This claim is not plausible for several reasons. If Mary Jo had decided to return to her motel in Edgartown she did so without bothering to retrieve her purse from the cottage or ask her roommate for the keys to their room. When she stretched out on the back seat of the Olds, however, she had no need for these items because she was not going anywhere. Or so she thought (DHG 4/14/1980).

Judge Boyle doubts story

No less a person then Judge James Boyle, who presided over the inquest, wrote in his report that if Kennedy's destination had, in fact, been Edgartown he would have asked his chauffeur to take him there so that the car could be driven back to Chappaquiddick to provide transportation for the ten remaining guests. They would have only the Valiant, a compact car rented for the occasion by Gargan, to get them back to Edgartown (NYT 4/30/79).

A witness further undermines the Senator's story. Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look got off duty at the Edgartown Yacht Club at midnight, crossed the channel to Chappaquiddick in the club's launch, got into his waiting car, and drove up the Main Road toward his summer home. His claim that he saw the Kennedy Oldsmobile at the intersection of this road and Dyke Road at about 12:45 a.m. has been regarded as reliable.

The Deputy Sheriff got a good look at the car because it crossed the path of his headlights at the sharp curve where the Main Road goes to the right. Entry into Dyke Road for someone coming in the opposite direction also requires a right. The driver was unable to negotiate this very tight turn and ended up on Cemetery Road, a narrow dirt lane that runs perpendicular to Dyke Road. Look continued around the curve at the intersection and braked his car on the shoulder. He got out and started back toward the other car, thinking that the driver must be lost. As he called out, the car backed up with the rear lights revealing the license plate and then completed the turn, proceeding down the unpaved, bumpy Dyke Road.

Look stated that his first impression of the car was that there was something or someone in the rear seat - an article of clothing, a large handbag, or possibly a person. Perhaps Look caught sight of Kopechne's white blouse. Look thought there were two people in the front seat (NYT 7/22/69).

The Dyke Bridge goes off at a left angle as it crosses Poucha Pond. Since it is narrow, hump-backed, and roughly constructed, it is normally traversed on foot or in a jeep or beach buggy. At its end are dunes and a beach. Several members of the party, including Kennedy, had been driven to the beach that day to go swimming (DHG 4/14/1980). The marks on the bridge indicated that the car was driven straight off it with the undercarriage scraping the four-inch high planks along the sides as the right front wheel went over. The car turned, hitting the water on its right side, denting the doors and blowing out the windows. It landed in about seven feet of tidal water, resting on its hood ornament and brow of the windshield so that the rear of the car was slightly more elevated than the front (BG 7/20/69).

Kennedy said he didn't know how he got out

Kennedy maintains that he does not know how he got out but a possible exit for him and his companion, most likely Rosemary Keough since it was her purse that was later found in the car, would have been the almost completely withdrawn window on the driver's side. Then, too, a door could have been pushed open when enough water had gushed into the car to match the inside pressure with the outside (NYT 7/26/79).

The walk to the cottage from Poucha Pond, a distance of one and a quarter miles, would have taken about twenty-five or thirty minutes. This would have brought the twosome, dripping wet if they were fully clothed, back to the cottage shortly before one-thirty. Foster Silva, the neighbor whose cottage was nearest the party house, reported that the rather noisy gathering that had disturbed his family abruptly quieted down at just about that time (NYT 7/24/69).

It is not hard to imagine that Kennedy, consulting with the two people at the party who were closest to him, Joseph Gargan and Paul Markham, decided that it would be imperative for him to get off the island as quickly as possible in order that he suffer no damaging political repercussions in connection with his presence at the party and with what appeared to be an accident involving only his car.

The night was clear and warm with the moon shining brightly. Since it was Regatta weekend, there was much activity around the Edgartown harbor. People were strolling about, fishing from the pier, or visiting back and forth amongst the boats moored there. Two hotel employees on the Edgartown pier saw the lights of a car being driven onto the Chappaquiddick landing around one or one-thirty, they thought (LAT 7/29/69).

Car lights are a signal to Jared Grant, operator of the ferry, that someone needs to make a crossing. But these lights were quickly turned off. Since the plan was to give the impression that the Senator had spent the night in Edgartown, Markham and Gargan, after driving Kennedy to the landing in the rented Valiant, would not have wanted to reveal the Senator's presence on Chappaquiddick by calling out the ferry at that hour.

But there remained the problem of the Senator finding another means to cross the five-hundred-foot wide channel. He later claimed that after making valiant efforts to save Mary Jo he was in such a state of shock that he impulsively plunged in and swam the distance (NYT 7/26/69). However, it is not at all unusual - in fact, it is customary - for a person in need of getting to Edgartown to borrow a dinghy if it is promptly returned (NYT 7/24/69). In a Jack Anderson column that appeared a couple of weeks after the accident, confirmation of such a crossing came from a group on a yacht who identified Kennedy as one of three men on a boat docking at the Edgartown pier about this time.
The Senator then appeared, dry and calm, before the co-owner of the Shiretown Inn where he was staying, ostensibly to complain about a noisy party, but really to ask the time, establishing his presence in Edgartown at 2:25 a.m. (NYT 7/27/69). Markham and Gargan recrossed the channel in the borrowed dinghy and drove back to the cottage. Esther Newberg confirmed that the two men had left the party at some point but was not sure about the exact time or how long they were gone (NYT 7/24/69).

Was Mary Jo Kopechine unconscious?

What about Mary Jo Kopechne? Did she wake up at any point during the short trip from the cottage to the bridge, but decide not to make her presence known? When the car went into the water, was she momentarily knocked unconscious, only coming to as the others were escaping?

At any point did Mary Jo's friends begin to wonder where she was? Given the atmosphere of the party, its setting, and the activities of party goers, reminiscing, singing, dancing, going in and out of the cottage, and taking walks there was probably no time when someone specifically thought to ask about her whereabouts. There was no way for someone who was inclined to check with the motel to see if she had quietly returned to Edgartown to do so since there was no telephone in the cottage (NYT 7/24/69),

As the night wore on, the accident went unreported. The plan obviously called for someone other than Kennedy to claim responsibility for the car's being in Poucha Pond. It would be better, too--it must have been argued--for that person to wait until morning and face charges of leaving the scene of an accident than to report it promptly, submit to a Breathalyzer test, and risk a drunk driving charge.

The two-car "On Time" ferry began daily operations at 7:30 a.m. Several members of the party, Markham and Gargan and two of the women, Tannenbaum and Keough, made an early crossing that would have taken less than four minutes (NYT 7/24/69). It is likely that the women were driven to The Dunes, their motel, which was not in the center of town, to shower and change before eating breakfast. In the process, it would have been discovered that Mary Jo had not returned there the previous night.

This sobering and unsettling fact was the first indication that something may have happened that was more serious than a car submerged in Poucha Pond.

No doubt alarmed by this news about Mary Jo, Markham and Gargan found Kennedy chatting with Ross Richards, a Regatta winner and old friend, on the inn's deck about eight o'clock. The three immediately went to Kennedy's room for a conference to try to figure out where Mary Jo might be since her body had not yet been discovered in the Oldsmobile.

The game plan changes

The game plan might have to be changed. At one point, Kennedy came to the front desk, ordered newspapers, and borrowed a dime from the clerk to make a phone call, which he was unable to complete, to Burke Marshall, his lawyer and longtime friend of the family (NYT 7/14/74). Surely, they were all hoping that Mary Jo, wherever she was, was safe and sound.

At just about this time, two young men knocked on the door of Mrs. Pierre Malm's cottage near Dyke Bridge to tell her that they could see the wheels of a car submerged in Poucha Pond. Later, she would tell reporters that she read past one o'clock the night before but that no one came to her house seeking help (NYT 7/27/69).

Edgartown Police Chief Dominick J. Arena was notified and left Edgartown at 8:20 a.m. to cross to Chappaquiddick to the scene of the accident. Putting on trunks, borrowed at the scene, he dove into the water, which was less than six feet deep by this time, but the strong current prevented him from getting deep enough to determine if anyone were in the car. He then called John N. Farrar, a scuba diver with the Edgartown Rescue Squad, to come help out (BG 7/22/69).

Even if events had taken place in the manner in which Kennedy depicted them, the nine-hour delay in reporting the accident would have given them more than enough time to come up with a better story than the one that Kennedy and Markham concocted on the spot at the police station, and which was later revised for national television.

Putting on his equipment on the way to the scene, Farrar quickly entered the water and saw Mary Jo Kopechne's feet through the rear window of the overturned automobile. He swam around to the right side window and found her with her head cocked back and pressed up into the foot well with her hands gripping the edge of the rear seat. He thought that the position of her body indicated that she had found an air bubble in her struggle to stay alive. Even though the car was upside down with the open windows allowing the seawater to rush through, it was possible, he thought, for an air lock to form. Air bubbles that emanated from the car when it was hauled out and the lack of water in the trunk were further indications of an air lock. Farrar felt that it would have been extremely difficult for Mary Jo to extricate herself from this situation without help (NYT 7/22/69, USN & WR 11/3/69).

If Mary Jo had been one of the two people that Deputy Sheriff Look saw in the front seat, how would she have gotten to the rear of the overturned car? Even in its quest to disprove Kennedy's rendition of the accident the press did not expend ink on examining this mystery. Given the manner in which the car had overturned, it is unlikely that someone would have been thrown from the front to the rear. It is even more unlikely that a passenger could have crawled from the front to the rear once the car was submerged. Mary Jo's body was found in the car's rear section because that is where she was when the accident happened.

By now, the area was buzzing with news of the car accident and the commotion that it had caused. A wrecker had been contacted to come pull the Oldsmobile out of the water. Assistant Medical Examiner Donald Mills had been called to the scene to determine the cause of death and a local undertaker had also made the trip over. It would take almost half an hour to remove the body from the car.

While these activities were taking place, Kennedy, Markham, and Gargan caught the ferry to Chappaquiddick. Kennedy claimed at the inquest, probably truthfully, that he returned to Chappaquiddick in order to have more privacy in calling Burke Marshall (NYT 5/1/70). Then, too, they may also have been intent on locating Mary Jo.

After waiting around for twenty minutes, hoping maybe that his phone call would be returned, Kennedy and his entourage left the shelter of the landing house on the Chappaquiddick side just about nine o'clock. When a ferry operator asked them if they knew about the accident, one of them replied that they had just learned of it. Upon getting back to Edgartown, Kennedy, accompanied by Markham, went directly to the police station (LAT 7/22/69).

It is not clear exactly when the three learned that Mary Jo's body was in the car. It might well have been that Kennedy and Markham had it confirmed for them at the police station. In any case, Gargan, after leaving the landing house, got into his Valiant and driving up Main Road found Newberg and the Lyons sisters heading for the ferry landing. He drove them back to the cottage, where he told them, "We can't find Mary Jo." Perhaps he did not want to be the person to break the news of Mary Jo's death to her friends at that time or perhaps he really didn't know that she was dead. Later, after depositing them at their motel, he telephoned to tell all five that Mary Jo had drowned in the car and that Senator Kennedy had tried to save her (NYT 7/24/69). At least one of the group would have known that this last bit of information was not true.

The car had been quickly identified as belonging to the Senator. Look, who was at the scene, recognized two "L"s and a "7" as being on the plate of the car he had seen hours earlier at the intersection. After Farrar's discovery, Arena called the police station to ask that Kennedy be contacted although he did not know then that Kennedy had been the driver. He immediately left the accident scene when he was told that the Senator was at the station and wished to see him. Since Arena assumed that the purse that had been found in the car after it was pulled from the pond belonged to the dead woman, when he arrived at the station he asked Kennedy if Rosemary Keough's relatives had been notified of her death (DHG 4/18/80).

The discovery that Mary Jo Kopechne had drowned in his Oldsmobile changed everything. Kennedy now had to acknowledge responsibility for the accident since it was out of the question for someone else--that someone else most likely would have been his cousin, Joseph Gargan--to claim to be the driver.

The effort that had been made to show that Kennedy had been in Edgartown for the night--his conversation with the motel owner at 2:25 a.m.--now became a major sticking point in preparing a new version of events. How could it be explained that Kennedy was in Edgartown at that hour when a young woman had met her death in a car he acknowledged he had been driving in an accident that he had not reported?

Kennedy and Markham sat in the Edgartown police station, cobbling together a story that would incorporate an improbable answer to this question, generate some amount of sympathy for the Senator, and provide him with a defense--"I don't remember" and "I can't explain this"--in the event that criminal charges were brought against him.

Later, an added feature of his television statement was its attempt to cast him in a hero's role through his valiant but imaginary efforts to rescue this young woman.

Kennedy also claimed in his television address that he had alerted Gargan and Markham concerning the accident and they, too, had tried to rescue Mary Jo. This may have been an effort to explain their absence from the party. But the claim that they undertook rescue efforts are just as ludicrous as Kennedy's, since none of them knew at that time that Kopechne was in the car.

Even if they had known that Kopechne was in the car and Kennedy had been incapacitated as he claimed, it is inconceivable that one of them would not have alerted the authorities. After all, the firehouse with its alarm was across the street from the cottage. Clearer heads than Kennedy's would have understood that, come morning, the body would not have disappeared from the car.

Even if events had taken place in the manner in which Kennedy depicted them--that he and Mary Jo had been on their way to the ferry, he had taken a wrong turn, he, and then Markham and Gargan, had tried to save her and had failed--the nine-hour delay in reporting the accident would have given them more than enough time to come up with a better story than the one that Kennedy and Markham concocted on the spot at the police station, and which was later revised for national television.

Within five days of the accident, his lawyers arranged for him to be charged with leaving the scene of an accident involving personal injury. He pleaded guilty, thus avoiding any possibility of a cross-examination, received a two-month suspended sentence, was placed on probation for one year, and had his driver's license temporarily revoked. An inquest was held the following winter, as well as a grand jury investigation in the spring, but no further charges were brought against him.

Why didn't Kennedy simply tell the truth in his statement to the police? In doing that, he would have had to admit that he and a young woman, not his wife, were going to the beach for a midnight swim (that they were both under the influence of alcohol could not have been proven), that he did not have his automobile under control, and that because he, along with everybody else at the party, did not know that Kopechne was in the car no attempt was made to save her, and that since he did not know this, he planned to foist responsibility for the accident on to someone else.

Could the truth have been worse than being stuck with the image of being a cold-hearted monster as well as a liar that many people have retained of him to this day? Like many politicians before and since, he did not want to 'fess up to anything that made him look other than honorable and upright. But like many before and since, he came off looking worse than if he had come clean.

In general, people find it easier to forgive the truth-teller than the liar. By telling the truth early on he might have won his bid for the presidency in the 1980 campaign. By telling it now, he can remove a stain from his own legacy as well as from his family's.

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07/18/09 @ 10:25 am
bartenderfromhell [Member] writes:
You mean she was 'killed" 40 years ago today.
07/18/09 @ 10:28 am
karent2 [Member] writes:
I'm glad to see Ted lived another year to see another anniversary of her death. Simply incredible.
07/18/09 @ 11:05 am
dingbat [Member] writes:
Ted Kennedy, the main reason folks from Massachusetts are regarded as a laughingstock around the rest of the country, Barney Frank and Gerry Studds notwithstanding.

You know what they say, "More people have been killed in Ted Kennedy's car than have died at nuclear power plants."
07/18/09 @ 11:09 am
meadow [Member] writes:
hmmm- i never heard the 3-person theory. heard at one point that mary jo was pregnant - and i think people thought maybe teddy was trying to 'get rid' of her. i guess a lot of the info was obscured by the hoopla of the moon landing. i was in d.c. at the time and thought i was paying attention - but a 23-yr-old's attention span is shorter, i guess, than it would be now.

anyway, a truly sad story; however, i do think kennedy has spent the last 40 years trying to compensate - and a lot of what was reported was put together by his "handlers", something i am afraid celebs need to learn to balance. even 40 years younger, he should have had more sense, but it all seems somewhat less reprehensible if he didn't even know mary jo was in the car.
07/18/09 @ 12:21 pm
derrico [Member] writes:
This story fits very closely with a description of events relayed to me in the early 80's via a member of Congress from the midwest (It was told confidentially and I have not revealed the source.) Much more likely than any other story I've heard. Doesn't say much for K's judgment, but it does say he wasn't a killer.
07/18/09 @ 12:51 pm
coatuet [Member] writes:
about a month after Teddy's "accident" some Vineyard Life Guards tried to duplicate Teddy's swim across the harbor. Same time, same tide. These were young, health, strong college kids without a history of back problem Their conclusion - no way Was Kennedy's story about "his swim" believable. Like the rest of the story. Nothing but a cover up. The whole bunch lied through their teeth. There is nothing he has done in the past 40 years that has or can make up for what he did that night.
07/18/09 @ 1:08 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Well, bartenderfromhell, the way you say that she was “killed” implies that you think there was intent and I don’t see that in this case. That she “died” as a result of negligence and caution thrown to the winds, yes. But motorists, even drunk drivers, who cause the deaths of pedestrians and cyclists are not punished very severely because the deaths are seen as accidents.
dingbat: You are repeating an old canard dreamed up by the right wingers who have used Kennedy a la Chappaquiddick as a fundraising strategy for years now. The first people to die in a nuclear reactor were three men who were killed in a facility in Idaho Falls, Idaho, on January 3, 1961. There have been others. Many more people have died, of course, as a result of the radiation emitted by nuclear reactors.
Meadow, the pregnancy bit was also a charge that came mostly from people who hated the Kennedys because of their politics. Perhaps unfortunately, no autopsy was done so that slate was blank and people could wrote whatever they wished on it. A thank you to derrico for his comments.
07/18/09 @ 1:17 pm
justiceforall [Member] writes:
Mary, Thank you for remembering this day. I haven't seen one story about it in the Boston Media. China is not the only country which revises history!
07/18/09 @ 1:35 pm
bartenderfromhell [Member] writes:
Well, Mary, I see you are just another in the long line of Kennedy appologists. I never said Kennedy "intended" to crash his car and kill the woman, but he did leave her there to drown. Why didn't he go get help right away? Was he hiding something maybe? No Mary, she just didn't die. She was killed in a motor vehicle crash caused by a coward.
07/18/09 @ 1:51 pm
capeconservative [Member] writes:
To invoke the Senate confirmation hearings of this week... When Senator Kennedy passes on to the Pearly Gates, he's "gonna have some splainin' to do!"
07/18/09 @ 2:02 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Mary, you could have possibly saved the Senator's presidential bid if you'd been around to explain what happened. Do you watch CSI or did you come up with this theory all by yourself?

In the 11hrs that passed while Ted was making dozens of calls to the mainland, some believe that their may have been an air-pocket that Mary Jo could have survived in. You do know that the DA ordered an autopsy that was never performed after finding blood on her dress inconsistent with the ME's official cause of death. The autopsy was NEVER performed.
07/18/09 @ 2:10 pm
wise [Member] writes:
So dingbat: whats with the references to gerry studds and and barney frank...among other lovely traits it seems you are also a homophobe...
07/18/09 @ 2:53 pm
selkiegirl [Member] writes:
I have to agree with bartenderfromhell, Mary... she died because of someone else's negligence and also, someone else's poor judgement to save his own butt by waiting 11 hours before anyone could come to her aid. if this happened today, he would be tried for manslaughter. As to whether or not she was intentionally killed, only two people know the answer to that, one can't speak and the other can't tell the truth.
07/18/09 @ 3:35 pm
bartenderfromhell [Member] writes:
Thank you somebunny. I have a couple of family members who think the Kennedy's have not and connot do anything wrong. Any time they're discussed they bring out a slew of yeahbutts to try and make their point.
07/18/09 @ 3:38 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
To bartenderfromhell, somebunny, and buzz: Please read the article. What I show is that no one including the Senator knew that Kopechne was in the car until the next morning!!! I understand that sometimes it is hard to look at another way of viewing a situation, but give it a try instead of just repeating the same old points. Buzz: I note in my above response that an autopsy was not performed. Her body, one would have to say, left the island very quickly. But her parents were strongly against an autopsy. The blood could have occurred as a result of her struggle to find air. Blood is also compatible with asphyxiation. Kopechne could not have survived for more than an hour at the most from that pocket of air. So the idea that Kennedy left her there on purpose for eleven hours without summoning help to make sure she was dead is pure hokum.
07/18/09 @ 4:07 pm
selkiegirl [Member] writes:
"To bartenderfromhell, somebunny, and buzz: Please read the article. What I show is that no one including the Senator knew that Kopechne was in the car until the next morning!!!"

I hope you don't really believe what you are writing. Still, I'm open to suggestions from someone that was there during this time. Did she sneak into the car? Someone from the party put her in the car? I suppose its all possible, seeing as Kennedy's reputation for being sober has been tarnished, but I don't buy it. And neither does anyone else. I don't wish harm to anyone but what goes around comes around and as one poster said here 'someone's got a lot of 'splainin to do at the pearly gates!' No disrespect Mary, but claiming he didn't even know she was in the car is very farfetched.
07/18/09 @ 4:14 pm
bartenderfromhell [Member] writes:
Mary, I suppose you believe aliens are visiting us regularly here on the cape too. Go line your walls and ceillings with tin foil you crazy coot.
07/18/09 @ 7:08 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Somebunny: Mary Jo, tired from the day’s activities, got into the car herself in order to get away from a noisy party. As you can see by looking at the picture posted up above, the Oldsmobile was a large and roomy car. Not only did Kennedy not know she was in the car but no one else knew either.
07/18/09 @ 7:10 pm
welcometobarnstable. [Member] writes:
Okay, commenting for the first time on this post is a different Mary. I have friends and family who were at the scene. Chappaquiddick, a political distaster that brought about the end of Ted Kennedy's credibility. The Gargan's went to school with me and the Smith kids, DA, at the time can confirm cover- up.

Some of my older posts on www.welcometobarnstable.com indicate my thoughts on this bastard of a Senator. And yes, he did send someone to my apartment for a request, that when mentioned, causes this website to block the IP.

Ted's a bastard, and John Kerry and his crazy arrogant brood ain't too far behind.
07/18/09 @ 7:16 pm
dingbat [Member] writes:
Hello wise, I have no problem with folks disagreeing with things that I have written. However, I'm curious about the other "lovely traits" you speak of. What are they exactly?

If it suits you to think I'm a homophobe, go right ahead. I'm not, of course, but I am very critical of know-nothing legislators who claim they represent my interests in the halls of government.
07/18/09 @ 9:07 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
Bottom line is Ted has never paid the price for what he has done. Imagine your own relative dying in this way and nobody ever brought to justice. And Mary, do us all a favor. Save it. I don't want to hear about how much guilt he's carried. I don't care. Every killer in prison, from first degree to involuntary manslaughter would love a chance at freedom if the promise to carry guilt. regardless of what he has or will accomplish, I will always consider him a killer.
07/18/09 @ 9:52 pm
coatuet [Member] writes:
People actually believe Kennedy did not know she was in the car. What are you people smoking.
07/18/09 @ 9:58 pm
capewatchdog [Member] writes:
Soon the real story will be told! All these experts, huh!
07/19/09 @ 12:22 am
pnative [Member] writes:
wise, you are a homophobe and a liberal hater. Why lie? Who cares what you think?
07/19/09 @ 1:54 am
janes [Member] writes:
Oh, heavens - the judgers are out in full force as usual on this subject. They think that they are God and then they pretend that they actually care about the fate of Mary Jo Kopechne.
07/19/09 @ 7:55 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Mary,

There's NO evidence whatsoever suggesting Teddy didn't know she was in the car. He himself described his alleged futile attempts at diving down to rescue her. He also claims that Gagnon and the other guy went back to the scene to rescue her. His attempt to establish an alibi at the Shiretown Inn, the numerous phone calls he made seeking advice. No need to rewrite history here.
07/19/09 @ 9:55 am
Mary [Member] writes:
Buzz, What Ted Kennedy said is NOT evidence. It is pretty obvious that he made the claim about diving into the water to save her to make himself look like a hero because he did not want to acknowledge that there was a third person in the car — the woman who was actually going with him to the beach, probably for skinny dipping.

Police Chief Arena, upon discovery of this woman’s purse in the Olds when it was hauled out of the water, should have asked that she immediately be brought into the police station for questioning.But he failed in that responsibility because he was dealing with a Kennedy and, I would think, more than a little intimidated. But the connection between women and their purses was totally overlooked.

Most people — as the poll that I cited showed — did not believe Kennedy’s version. As the comment from coatuet points out, the swim across the channel couldn’t have happened.
07/19/09 @ 10:13 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
When did Kennedy discover that Mary Jo was in the car?
07/19/09 @ 10:28 am
dingbat [Member] writes:
Mary - I'd like to emphasize one point that younger folks might not be aware of. Back in the day, the entire Kennedy clan was protected and insulated by an invisible army of pals, PR flacks, and connected coat-holders that would spring into action when requested. I'm sure all the calls that Teddy made after that incident were to these people. They immediately mobilized and no doubt exerted great pressure on Chief Arena, the Massachusetts State Police, and the media. I can imagine the police chief was simply overwhelmed by the pressure and the threats, and so he didn't perform his professional duites as thoroughly as he might if someone named John Doe were the driver of the Oldsmobile.
07/19/09 @ 11:02 am
sail1993 [Member] writes:
"Some of my older posts on www.welcometobarnstable.com indicate my thoughts on this bastard of a Senator. And yes, he did send someone to my apartment for a request, that when mentioned, causes this website to block the IP."

WELCOME TO BARNSTABLE:
I don't understand the second sentence. WHO sent someone to your apartment? Mostly, I'm curious. Who is blocking your IP? I'm asking because when I type the web address www.welcometobarnstable into Internet Explorer it responds with "IE cannot display the web page". I had to use AOL to see the page.
07/19/09 @ 1:10 pm
sail1993 [Member] writes:
"He (the diver) swam around to the right side window and found her with her head cocked back and pressed up into the foot well with her hands gripping the edge of the rear seat. He thought that the position of her body indicated that she had found an air bubble in her struggle to stay alive"
If we take the above statement to be true, and we probably can since it was not uttered by a Kennedy, then how in hell can anyone believe that Kennedy or Keough did not know Mary Jo was in the car? It's a car for heaven's sake. It's not as if Mary Jo was at the other end of a football field. She was in the back seat! Two or possible three people were struggling to get out of the car. Brave Sir Teddy ran away and left Mary Jo to die, no matter which way you look at it. And if Keough was in the car, she would be just as responsible for the death of her friend. Yet Keough claimed that she left her purse in the car when she went with Kennedy's driver back to Edgartown to get a radio. Is she lying too? This story is a crock. Wentworth is trying to rewrite history to make a dying dirtbag look good
07/19/09 @ 2:30 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
dingbat: You are quite right about the huge circle of supporters etc. that any Kennedy enjoys. The other men at the party fell into one or another category that you mention.

(Buzz: This answers your question) Arena logically assumed that the purse that contained Keough’s identification belonged to the dead woman. The buzz around the area was that a body had been found in a car that belonged to Ted Kennedy. It was not known then whether he had been the driver or the identity of the dead person. But when Kennedy and his pals crossed over to Chappaquiddick around nine, they were told about the car being in the drink — a fact that they already knew — and that there was a body in the car — a fact that at that point they did not know — but they knew right away who it was. And Kennedy corrected Arena’s idea as to who it was at the police station. It was then that Arena had a window of opportunity to move forward in investigating this accident. Before Ted’s advisors swung into action.None of them would have let him give a statement to Arena at that time.
07/19/09 @ 4:26 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Two investigations in 69'--Costa murders of Truro & MaryJo's death.

"In His Garden : The Anatomy of a Murderer (1983). Damore's book on Mary Jo Kopechne, Senatorial Privilege : The Chappaquiddick Cover-Up, was finally published by Regnery Gateway in 1983. The Cape Cod Years of JFK was published in 1993. Damore than began investigating the murder of Mary Pinchot Meyer. In an article that appeared in the New York Post Damore claimed that he believed that the CIA had something to do with the death of Meyer".

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAdamore.htm

His manuscript was used by a writer in the UK who completed the book due to Damore's "apparent" suicide in his Hyannis home.

Let us not forget about Marilyn Munroe.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKkopechne.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmeyerM.htm

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Very-Private-Woman-Unsolved-Presidential/dp/0553380516/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1248033821&sr=1-3
07/19/09 @ 4:38 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
My older brother also claimed that MaryJo was carrying the senator's child. Guess that was the talk and seeing as the parents didn't want an autopsy (must be a common thing among certain families) wasn't that convenient.

What I don't get is how she didn't get out of the car if the senator (and his other companion, if there was another as some claimed) were able to get out.

The story on the link from writer in the UK state that some claimed all doors were locked, and she suffocated, so how does one exactly escape from a speeding car that crashes into a pond, then is submerging while doors are locked (he stands 6 feet+, he squeezed through the window, she was much smaller) and if the windows were down, she would have drowned or escaped from her tragic fate. Something tells me MaryJo may have been passed out in the backseat. If witnesses claimed they saw the senator in dry clothes at the party later on that same evening, how was he trying to rescue MaryJo by way of swimming the channel that experienced lifeguards couldn't handle. I guess when you are in power, anything goes.
07/19/09 @ 5:07 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

So maybe she was taken care of, as in Damore's theory about who killed Mary Meyer and we still don't know what happened to Marilyn Munroe. It seems to me, the Kennedy boys had too many dead women attached to their name for anyone to believe they were innocent. It could just be that they knew too much about the going's on with the Kennedy's? I mean, come on, these women had to do some heavy dictation on the island for the Monday morning deadline? Some scandal, something not foreign to the Kennedy dynasty. Sure, they have helped the poor. Well, my family liked them too, except for my brother who couldn't stand their obvious hypocricies and the way this story had too many questions with no answers. That reminds me.....the more I learn about that place, the more I realize people can and will get away as long as someone has their back.
07/19/09 @ 5:45 pm
justmc [Member] writes:
Mary, you wrote that "Given the manner in which the car had overturned, it is unlikely that someone would have been thrown from the front to the rear. It is even more unlikely that a passenger could have crawled from the front to the rear once the car was submerged."

The part about being thrown makes sense. The part about crawling from the front to the rear is completely backwards. Look how a person sits in a car. Now turn it over, and imagine a dazed and scared and panicked person, in the pitch dark, suddenly immersed in water. What is the reaction? Try to get away preferably up out of the water, instinctively. That means scrambling, with hands and feet, FORWARD, and trying to go UP out of the water.

This takes the victim over the inside of the windshield, across the inside of the roof into the back seat area, and right up into the position described in your article. You could not be more wrong about what you say is unlikely, it is THE MOST LIKELY instinctive reaction form someone who does not assess the situation in terms of "how do I get out of a door or window?"
07/19/09 @ 5:52 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
...."A large number of journalists knew that Meyer had been married to a senior CIA officer. They also knew that she had been having an affair with John F. Kennedy. None of this was reported. In fact, the judge, ruled that the private life of Mary Meyer could not be mentioned in court. The trial judge was Howard Corcoran. He was the brother of Tommy Corcoran, a close friend of Lyndon B. Johnson. Corcoran had been appointed by Johnson soon after he became president. It is generally acknowledged that Corcoran was under Johnson’s control. His decision to insist that Mary’s private life should not be mentioned in court was very important in disguising the possible motive for the murder. This information was also kept from Crump’s lawyer, Dovey Roundtree..

..Soon afterwards Raymond Crump, a black man, was found not far from the murder scene. He was arrested and charged with Mary's murder".

One would think after all these years, they could come up with a new angle...as much as we think things change, they do remain the same.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmeyerM.htm
07/19/09 @ 6:03 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
BINGO!

"Leo Damore claimed in an article that appeared in the New York Post that the reason Angleton and Bradlee were looking for the diary was that: "She (Meyer) had access to the highest levels. She was involved in illegal drug activity. What do you think it would do to the beatification of Kennedy if this woman said, 'It wasn't Camelot, it was Caligula's court'?" Damore also said that a figure close to the CIA had told him that Mary's death had been a professional "hit".

Gee...what a surprise. "In His Garden" was about the same topic--DRUGS. Maybe Leo was actually onto something.

Thanks to journalists with some backbone in the UK--

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmeyerM.htm
07/19/09 @ 6:23 pm
justmc [Member] writes:
Mary, on to the bigger picture. In your scenario, what would be Rosemary Keough's motivation for lying, claiming she had not been in the car?

On learning that Mary Jo had died in the car, Keough might as well lie the small lie that all 3 of them knowingly got in the car for a ride back to Edgartown. Everything else would be far more explainable. A suspicious trip by KENNEDY AND KEOUGH would now look innocent, because 3 of them would look FAR better than just 2). It is now just a car accident.

While ignorant of Mary Jo, it makes sense to say Keough wasn't there. But later, the dead woman is their ticket to hide any appearance of tryst.

So why have Keough lie about NOT being in an accident? And surely Keough would have had SOME injuries, right? Again, easier and better to simply lie the small and easy lie that Mary Jo was known to be with them than to create all the big and messy lies. Keough left her purse in the car, and that's it. She gains nothing from leaving Kennedy alone with the big lies that make him look worse and risk her being caught lying also.
07/19/09 @ 6:33 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Keough becomes the only potential witness next to a dead woman and a senator who can't explain.
07/19/09 @ 6:42 pm
justmc [Member] writes:
Mary, another point. In your scenario, if Kennedy and Keough had not known about Mary Jo being in the car, the lie that would be obvious to them was NOT that Keough was not present at all and that Kennedy was KNOWINGLY alone with Mary Jo. That's just stupid.

The lie to pick, and this would be obvious, would be that Keough was not present and Mary Jo was in the car UNBEKNOWNST to Kennedy. Who would try to hide the suspicion of one tryst by replacing it with suspicion of another?

If Keough was not in the car at all, just Kennedy and Mary Jo, the lie that Mary Jo was in the car unbeknownst to Kennedy is pretty creative, and would seem pretty far-fetched to the liars as they tried to get a story. But if Kennedy and Keogh WERE in the car, truly unaware that Mary Jo was there too, nobody would abandon the true innocence associated with not knowing she was there. They'd have stuck with that TRUE part, that makes them innocent of the greatest crime. Then, all that would be left to lie about was perhaps that Keough was there. But why lie and say the Kennedy KNEW Mary Jo was there?
07/19/09 @ 6:45 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
and now the topic goes right to the toilet now that crusader joins in .....
07/19/09 @ 7:05 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
the only thing in the toilet is your head karen.
07/19/09 @ 7:07 pm
justmc [Member] writes:
Mary, so, in conclusion, I think your scenario as described in the article makes no sense because it requires one to believe that Kennedy and Keough, both guilty only of the impropriety of having a tryst (or just the appearance of it), would lie to swap their innocence for a tale with Keough absent and Kennedy in another suspected tryst AND now also failing to seek help for a woman he knew was in peril. Ridiculous.

Why lie in order to promote a story that makes Kennedy look far worse just to keep Keough's name out? For what?

What is clear is that Kennedy would do anything to save his own career and skin. AND that he tried. AND, just as the Clinton machine would have destroyed Monica if she had not saved the stained dress, Kennedy would have said WHATEVER best suited him. In this case, that would be that Mary Jo was alone in the car and wrecked it herself. I'll bet they schemed for hours to do just that, stopped only by the sighting by officer Look and the unwillingness of the boiler-room-girls to abandon their dead friend's reputation, or some other stubborn facts.
07/19/09 @ 7:12 pm
dingbat [Member] writes:
Wow, this really has animated the crew of responders.

For me, I'm still waiting for a "wise" response. . . . . . I think I hear crickets chirping.
07/19/09 @ 7:14 pm
justmc [Member] writes:
Mary,

So, with those posts addressing various points, I am curious how you would respond to explain what I have outlined as the unexplicable behavior of Keough AND Kennedy, which is necessary to support your theory.

Regards,

Mike
07/19/09 @ 7:27 pm
sail1993 [Member] writes:
Wentworth's entire fantasy is full of holes. Did anyone report seeing Rosemary Keough return to the cottage soaking wet? That would have created a stir with her friends. But Keough did take the ferry back to Edgartown with the four other women the following morning. Wentworth is another delusional Kennedy sycophant trying to explain away the actions of a lying, cheating coward.
07/19/09 @ 7:49 pm
justmc [Member] writes:
Mary,

I suspect you will follow this but some may not. You have speculated that Kennedy failed to "simply tell the truth in his statement to the police" and that had he been truthful, "In doing that, he would have had to admit that he and a young woman, not his wife, were going to the beach for a midnight swim (that they were both under the influence of alcohol could not have been proven), that he did not have his automobile under control, and that because he, along with everybody else at the party, did not know that Kopechne was in the car no attempt was made to save her, and that since he did not know this, he planned to foist responsibility for the accident on to someone else."

However, I think he would NOT have had to admit all these things with one or another much simpler lie.

--CONTINUED IN NEXT COMMENT---
07/19/09 @ 7:52 pm
justmc [Member] writes:
--CONTINUING--

So you clearly think he lied and was willing to do lie, presumably to paint himself in what he thought was a better light.

That said, have you any idea why he would not simply have lied and said that he and Keough and Mary Jo all left together, completely innocently? As a group of 3, that would not necessarily have looked bad at all.

Or why he did not lie to say that that Keough was not there, (as you suggest he did) BUT still sticking to the truth about not knowing Mary Jo was in the car?

I am interested in your reply.

Regards,

Mike
07/19/09 @ 8:10 pm
justmc [Member] writes:
Mary,

So, I will offer up my theory. Kennedy and Kopechne were headed for Edgartown, perhaps for a tryst where they each had private rooms they could use. Perhaps she (who was not purely single) just wanted a ride to a place to sleep above reproach, and Kennedy thought he might yet get somewhere with her (or not).

The event with the wrong turn and officer Look spooked Teddy. He (consistent with his past driving record) bolted, not for Edgartown, but away down Dyke Rd, the most ready route away from the yelling officer and his patrol car. Excessive speed was what made the bridge difficult to negotiate, especially a little or a lot intoxicated.

After, he runs for the fixers. For a while they try scheme how to pin it on Mary Jo, as if she had been alone. But something (the encounter with Look, the other girls possibly becoming hostile, the car seat settings, Kennedy's injuries) SOMETHING persuades them they can't just deny it and say it was Mary Jo on her own. Then comes their sloppy, changing story.

This seems more plausible to me.

Thoughts? Evidence against?

Mike
07/19/09 @ 8:22 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
I wonder why Teddy made 17 reported telephone calls from the Shiretown Inn. Not one to the police or fire dept. Maybe.... just maybe he was telling family and friends in Hyannisport that NOBODY was in the back seat when he drove of the bridge. Bet he was really surprised that Mary Jo snuck in their before he left the party.
07/19/09 @ 8:42 pm
sail1993 [Member] writes:
Mary Jo was considered by all who knew her to be a "good Catholic girl". She wasn't a party girl, she disliked swearing and drunkenness. She did not go out with married men. These are the perceptions of people who knew her. I think it more likely that Mary Jo simply wanted to leave the party and go back to her hotel ALONE. A drunken Teddy probably was hoping to get lucky and offered to drive her (rather than have his sober driver take her). Mary Jo didn't comply, they had an arguement, Ted saw the cop walking toward them and took off down Dike Rd, so Mary Jo couldn't squeal on him. When the car went in the drink he left her there. The rest is history. That's as plausible as the rest of this hogwash.
07/19/09 @ 9:06 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Whether the accident occurred at 11: 15 a .m. as Kennedy said in his report, or after Look saw the car, didn't make much difference insofar as a leaving-the-scene charge was concerned. Arena said, "The question of time only became an issue after the press picked up inconsistencies in Kennedy's report."

Look had seen a dark car between 12:40 a.m. and 12.45 a.m., Saturday morning approaching the bend on Chappaquiddick Road at the center of the intersection of Dike Road. Arena noted, "He is positive there was a man driving and that there was someone next to him. He 'thinks there may have been someone else in the back seat but he's not sure." The car appeared "unsure or lost." Look stopped, and started to walk toward the car, but the driver had sped off down Dike Road.

Look was more closely interrogated by George Killen and Bernie Flynn when the two detectives arrived in Edgartown around noon....

Look had worked as a special police officer at the Edgartown Yacht Club Regatta dance from 8 o'clock to 12:30 on Friday night.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAdamore.htm
07/19/09 @ 9:15 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
This 3 person theory is just that: A theory. But there's no arguing with the fact that Kennedy's story is so full of holes that it wouldn't hold an "air pocket".

I wasn't living in Mass back then. What I want to know, is how the heck did the citizens of Massachusetts return Teddy to the Senate in the next election? Talk about being star struck by the Kennedy mystique! Amazing.
07/19/09 @ 9:17 pm
possee [Member] writes:
crusader

1st of all..great to have you back!!!..even for the interim.

From our previous discusssions both on and off this blog, we know that those in
power can make events, and people vanish from the radar and news.
As it has existed since forever, who really cares? about what happened to Mary Jo as all evidence is
buried in the anals of history and still subject to the obvious conspiracy (and some Kennedy supporters) from the 52 comments here.
This fascination of conjecture amazes me still as we face more serious problems as we speak.
He's dying and she is dead..get over it.
it's politics as usual and nothing ever changes in that limelight of coverup..
nor will all the handwringing bring any justice to her untimely demise..
nor implicate Teddy any further..he'll meet his maker soon enough!

Please e mail me when you can.

possee
07/19/09 @ 9:40 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth,

The "people" of Massachusetts have very little to do with it.

Some of you need to go get some history lessons from the street about their rise and fall and everything in between. I'm sure Marilyn would have made your hair curl.
07/19/09 @ 9:56 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey possee!

What can I say? Leo Damore was Cape's fallen hero, but nobody knew it.

Strangely enough, I see all these stories have similar characteristics--Cover up, witnesses disappearing either by choice or by obvious bullying. Some of us have even experienced some of this ourselves. Must be nice to have friends with connections who would choose to look the other way, or set someone else up to take the fall. It must be harder to cover than to solve the crimes especially when hands are filled with so much dirt.

Yes, the boys are really racking up their sins aren't they? Frankly I don't know what is worse--the condoned drug trafficking which poisons lives of the innocent or the Harvard Wallstreet bandits. I say, hang'em all by the balls and leave them for the vultures. Killing by flesh or murdering bank accounts--it's all the same to me.
07/19/09 @ 10:14 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Justme: In order for Mary Jo to crawl from the front to the rear in an overturned car she would have had to go down into the water that was flowing into the car (this would be toward the roof) and somehow crawl between the roof and the back of the front seat to get into the rear of the Olds. Not only impossible but pointless. If she had been in the front seat she would have gotten out the same way Ted — and Keough — did.

Kennedy and Keough had little opportunity to match up their stories. The last time Kennedy saw Keough was at the cottage, post-escape from car, and at that time the first cover-up had been settled on. So who was going to lie about what was never on the table with the exception of who had been responsible for driving the car off the bridge.

To claim that the three of them were going off somewhere together would have presented a whole other set of problems.
07/19/09 @ 10:16 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Buzz: Kennedy did not call the police or fire departments from the Shiretown Inn because he saw no need to. HE DID NOT KNOW THAT KOPECHNE WAS IN THE CAR.

Crusader: Your comments are outside the scope of this article.
07/19/09 @ 10:25 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Mike,Mike,Mike: When Keough and Kennedy got back to the cottage in wet clothing — possible only wet bathing suits — it most likely did create a stir. As I said in the article, the first concern was to dissociate Kennedy from the partying. So a story was put in place — the clincher being Kennedy speaking with the hotel owner just before 2:30 that morning.

One tip=off to me in unraveling the events surrounding this tragedy was the issue of the purses. Being a woman I am well aware of our attachment to our purses. They almost become second limbs.
If Mary Jo was driving off with Ted to go over to Edgartown, whether to a tryst or not, she would have taken her purse and the keys to her motel room. By the same token, Keough took hers with her because she knew that she and Ted were headed for the beach. She would certainly have wanted a comb to use on her hair after the swim.
07/19/09 @ 10:52 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

"Crusader: Your comments are outside the scope of this article".

You really haven't got a clue.

Leo Damore who wrote "Senatorial Privilege", knew about the Kennedy's and the real story of MaryJo.

What's your vested interest? The story has already been told. Some of us are not blinded by the power of politics, as others who are less informed.

As the senator found out, one can soon be judged by their actions, not words alone. As others have pointed out--this was a clear case of manslaughter, but because the Kennedy's wielded great power back in the days of bootlegging, burlesque shows, and Scollay Square associates, that's just the way it was and still is today. Lots of back room wheeling and dealing, even for the boys elections, but they stabbed the wrong backs and that's what created the obvious domino effect to their own arrogance and political failures. Your story doesn't hold up. The phony neck brace did it for me. You can only tell the truth once. We're still waiting.
07/19/09 @ 11:44 pm
justmc [Member] writes:
Mary,

It is not "justme" it is "justmc." Your responses make it abundantly clear that you not only cannot read but more importantly, you cannot or will not think, or you are not being honest. A person already upside down in an upside down car would not have to "to go down into the water that was flowing into the car (this would be toward the roof) and somehow crawl between the roof and the back of the front seat to get into the rear of the Olds. Not only impossible but pointless."

Gravity and the impact has that person stuffed up against the windshield or roof, ALREADY planted on the inside of the roof. Facing the dash, windshield and roof, this person, a little drunk and very scared and stunned and panicked, is ALREADY underwater the minute Teddy opens a door or window, if not before. If not fully in possession of her faculties (your nerve to call her efforts "pointless"!) to try to escape DOWN out of a door or window, she crawls. FORWARD. Cars with no headrests back then leave a huge gap between seat top and roof. And you say "impossible"! Start being honest.
07/19/09 @ 11:48 pm
justmc [Member] writes:
Mary,

This:

"Mike,Mike,Mike: When Keough and Kennedy got back to the cottage in wet clothing — possible only wet bathing suits — it most likely did create a stir. As I said in the article, the first concern was to dissociate Kennedy from the partying. So a story was put in place — the clincher being Kennedy speaking with the hotel owner just before 2:30 that morning.

One tip=off to me in unraveling the events surrounding this tragedy was the issue of the purses. Being a woman I am well aware of our attachment to our purses. They almost become second limbs.
If Mary Jo was driving off with Ted to go over to Edgartown, whether to a tryst or not, she would have taken her purse and the keys to her motel room. By the same token, Keough took hers with her because she knew that she and Ted were headed for the beach. She would certainly have wanted a comb to use on her hair after the swim."

is nonsense conjecture extrapolated ridiculously. Who are you? Whom do you know? What is your vested interest here? I am interested in truth. You are clearly not.

Sickening.

Mike
07/19/09 @ 11:59 pm
justmc [Member] writes:
Mary,

And by the way, you have not addressed the fundamental issue--if truly surprised to find out Mary Jo was in the car and had died, why not simply lie about the intent of the trip and say that they all 3 were headed to Edgartown together, fully aware of the presence of all three?

Or lie and say Kennedy thought he was alone, with no idea that Mary Jo was in the car?

You have dodged this fundamental question, which I asked at length in great detail and with a great deal of supporting rationale.

Even Kennedy and his fixers are not so stupid as to miss this lie IF he didn't know Mary Jo was in the car and Kennedy's being unaware she was present was the obvious reality of truth instead of an un-thought-of contrivance. Had Kennedy truly not known Mary Jo was there, THIS would have been the focus of any half-truth about the events.

You choose to change the subject to speculate about women and purses and whether they had on bathing suits. Ridiculous. Address what has been written as I addressed what you wrote. I walked through your idea and it fell flat.

GET HONEST.
07/20/09 @ 7:00 am
crusader [Member] writes:
justmc,

Witnesses claimed Kennedy was not dripping wet, but in dry clothes when he returned to the party, asked someone what time it was. Kennedy's 6'2" and Mary 5'2". Escaping a water filled car for Mary would have been easier than for TK.

"Not until the following morning did he report the accident to the police. By that time, Kopechne's body had been recovered. The diver who found her reported that she had positioned herself near the back seat wheel well where an air pocket had formed, had apparently suffocated rather than drowned. Kopechne's refused to allow an autopsy of their daughter's body, after her burial a MA DA suspecting foul play filed a petition to exhume the body for examination...Judge Brominski ruled against the exhumation on Dec. 10, saying that there was "no evidence" that "anything other than drowning had caused the death." Kopechne's did not bring any legal action against Sen. Kennedy, but they did receive a payment of $90,904 from him and $50,000 from his ins.co. saying that "We figured that people would think we were looking for blood money." (citizens.com)
07/20/09 @ 7:01 am
crusader [Member] writes:
http://www.citizensvoice.com/news/remembering_mary_jo_a_promising_life_lost_at_chappaquiddick_40_years_ago
07/20/09 @ 7:16 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

She couldn't go swimming without her comb? How ridiculous.

That comment dates you, my dear. My 81 year old mother still reaches for her comb too, and what it tells me, is that you are from that generation of women who are taught to challenge the status quo never ask questions. Whatever did happen to MaryJo on that tragic night, most likely, we will never know. Just as the many other dead women who die under mysterious circumstances--but with obvious cover up attached to the sorted story. Unfortuately, there's a long list were MaryJo came. Men in powerful positions know how to insulate themselves. They've been taught by masters. Whatever did happen, the senator should have just come clean. He's had 40 years to think about it and can never undo what's already been done.
07/20/09 @ 7:20 am
crusader [Member] writes:
"to NEVER challenge the status quo or never ask questions"....time for some java.

Mary, seriously, you should read what Leo Damore and other writers of that time have written before you draw your own conclusions. I am glad you did this blog, though, I think you will continue to get some interesting comments. It's a story that will always surface just like the others.
07/20/09 @ 7:47 am
coatuet [Member] writes:
Less than a year after MaryJo's death her family was living in a very large new home. Noq who do you suppose paid for that? Since Joe and Rose Kennedy were not known for their generosity I would say it was payoff money to the family of MaryJo.
07/20/09 @ 7:49 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
After the accident calls were made, the DA and police chief were told what to do.... cover up was complete and in place.

Ted holds a press conference and says his actions were "inexcusable", admits to leaving the scene, says he and others made several attempts to save Mary Jo.

Everyone except Mary's onboard with what happened. Now that's loyalty.
07/20/09 @ 2:19 pm
jereviens [Member] writes:
Anyone who followed this story (including myself, aged 10 at the time) knew that the senator's version of events didn't make much sense. The '3 passengers' theory is plausible, but I am stuck on 2 things: 1) How could the sheriff's deputy see someone in the backseat if she was passed out back there? Wouldn't she have to be sitting up - and thus visible to the car's other passengers - in order for her to be seen? (He was approaching the car from the rear at night) and 2) When the senator and Rosemary arrived back at the cottage, soaking wet, it would have been obvious that Mary Jo was missing. So they had to know early on that she was, in all likelihood, still in the car.

This case has fascinated me for years - am very happy to have found this site!
07/20/09 @ 5:37 pm
welcometobarnstable. [Member] writes:
Personally, I think Mary Jo's body never would have been found if Joe Gargan and Co. found her first. I can't imagine what they had against calling the police years ago, but we had dive teams, even way back in the day. This is how the infamous conspiracy theorists originate. Nobody knows what happened and a lot of this is speculation. When things don't add up, that's how the rumors start.

We know the cover-up is serious, so we know you're hiding something, Ted! www.welcometobarnstable.com comes up most of the time on Windows Internet Explorer. Every now and then, even I can't log on. It's a lot of pictures. (Of the homeless and Hyannis, most are my own.)
07/20/09 @ 8:02 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
jereviens: Deputy Sheriff Look was not sure whether there was a person,a handbag or an article of clothing in the rear seat. The styling of the car made it easier to see into it. It did back up toward him.

When Kennedy and Keough came back to the cottage, there was no concern about Kopechne because they did not know she was in the car. This party was pretty noisy with people being interested in what was going on with one another. I think that Mary Jo was on the shy side so probably wasn’t much noticed even
when she was there.

The idea that Gargan and Markham went to the accident site and dove in to try to save her is pure fiction. For one thing, the water was not that deep.Six feet maybe.And she might well have been dead by the time they supposedly got there.

It’s a mystery to me that some people who have commented have said that Kennedy is a liar etc., etc., yet believe parts of his story.

In 1980, a reporter, Ladislas Farago, had a contract with Avon to write a book about this tragedy basing his approach on the three-persons theory. However, he died before he could write
07/20/09 @ 9:10 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
Oh Mary Lou. Where do you get all these stories?
07/20/09 @ 11:04 pm
welcometobarnstable. [Member] writes:
I'm willing to believe that Kennedy was unaware Kopechne was in the car. Psychedelic mushrooms have had interesting effects on perception, and politics of this kind and the pursuit of absolute power would indicate someone of Kennedy's stature could care less who was driving. So many people have no sensitivity toward Kennedy and everthing he lost in the deal. Bye-bye presidential aspirations over some dead driver. Has anybody ever thought about how he feels?

Vote for Ted Kennedy. A blonde in every pond!
07/20/09 @ 11:18 pm
welcometobarnstable. [Member] writes:
coatuet...The Kopechnes were definitely paid cash in addition to the insurance settlement. Kennedy long said that he wanted to take responsibility for the loss to the Kopechne family, but never admitted ultimate responsibility for the death of Mary Jo. Pam Burkley of CORD(Cape Organization for the Rights of the Disabled) was also paid by the Kennedys after the accident that crippled her with Joe Kennedy driving left her a paraplegic. There was also a private settlement paid to the family of Lauren and Carolyn Bessette.

Trains, planes and automobiles, throw in political arrogance, a little vodka, and a little wacky tabbacky...multiple modes of transportation have been the downfall of the Kennedy clan.

Lastly, Joe Gargan definitely dove for the body. I know his son,a college classmate and his daughter Terry from boarding school. These were items for discussion long before Cousin Joe Gargan collaborated with Leo Damore. The DA, Jimmy Smith and related family who benefited professionally, financially and politically from this tragedy confirm they were threatened by the family.
08/29/09 @ 3:07 pm
laney [Member] writes:
Friends and I worked in DC back then, in Congress and for WaPo and the NYT. The 3-person story was widely known in those newsrooms and accepted to be what had happened. Only it wasn't Keough in the car with Kennedy and Kopechne (in spite of the fact that Keough's purse was found in the car), but Susan Tannenbaum, who had been having an affair with Kennedy. It was that affair that Kennedy was trying to keep quiet.

I've often wondered over the years if Kennedy had known the garbage he'd have to put up with for not telling the truth at the time, choosing to be called a coward and murderer instead of an adulterer (which ultimately happened anyway), would he have done anything differently? Since his wandering eye was known inside the beltway already at that time, I wondered if he was being chivalrous for Susan Tannenbaum's sake.




08/30/09 @ 11:03 am
suzanne [Member] writes:
This theory isn't new, and it is in fact the story I grew up with. My parents were friends of Evelyn Kennedy (JFK's secretary)who wrote a book on JFK. She always maintained that there was another woman in the car, whose purse was found in the car. Neither she nor Ted Kennedy knew Mary Jo was in the back seat. There were articles shortly after that that said as much. Kennedy perhaps didn't want Joan knowing that he was with another woman. Perhaps covering up an infidelity, that inadvertantly resulted in Mary Jo's death caused both Ted and Joan to become alcoholics.

The stupidity of covering up infidelity makes much more sense than leaving a body in a car and not reporting the accident for 8 hours.
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