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WHO’S THE BOSS?

A postscript to Crowley vs. Gates


February 1956: Martin Luther King, then a pastor in Montgomery, Alabama, sits for a police mugshot after his arrest for directing a boycott of segregated buses.

August, 2009: Henry Lewis Gates, then a professor at Harvard University, sits mugshot after being arrested in his own home in Cambridge.

It was supposed to be “a teachable moment,” an opportunity for blacks and whites to come to a better understanding on how to improve race relations in our country. It remains unclear as to who was supposed to do the teaching and who would be willing to be taught. Certainly the media with its atrocious mishmash of facts, hearsay, misstatements, and dearth of useful information has shown that it is not capable of assisting in this task.

We whites tend to view incidents like this one between Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. and Sgt. James Crowley of the Cambridge Police Department as an event to be judged without awareness of the way whites in this country have treated blacks for some three hundred years. The result is a plethora of blog comments from whites deriding Gates for not behaving respectfully toward an officer of the law and concluding, as did Sgt. Crowley, himself, that Gates deserved to be handcuffed and arrested. End of story.

The story begins

The story begins with a 911 call early in the afternoon of July 21, 2009, when Lucia Whalen, a white woman who works at the Harvard alumni magazine just up the street from the Gates residence was stopped by an elderly person who drew her attention to two men, who turned out to be Gates and his driver from a private cab service, pushing hard at a front door that had become sticky no doubt from the humid weather. Whalen could not identify them as “white, black or Hispanic” when asked by the dispatcher. She reported that the men had gotten into the house and that she had seen two suitcases on the porch that indicated to her that they might live there. The dispatcher asked her to remain on the scene.

After Whalen’s call and before Crowley arrived, the driver carried Gates’s luggage into the house since Gates has to use a cane, then came out and drove off. Gates immediately got on his cell phone to let Harvard know that the door needed repairs.

Now this is where things begin to get a little weird. A Boston Globe article (7/25/09) details an interview with several Cambridge police officers who believe that any situation can become treacherous when an officer is not prepared for the worst or the unexpected.

Crowley writes in his report that he talked with Whelan and she told him “she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch” and “that her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry.” (Whelan through her attorney denies that she used “black” in describing the two men. This seems accurate since she could not categorize them in her 911 call. Perhaps it was what Crowley wanted to hear).

Why didn’t Crowley draw his weapon in going up onto the porch if a burglary was in process? Does he already know from what Whelan tells him, but doesn’t put in his report, that one man is already out of the picture?

He seemed confident that he just needed to finish checking out the 911 call to make sure who had the right to be on the property.

Gates, identified in the police report as weighing 150 pounds and standing at 5 feet seven, answered the door with cell phone in hand. He knows nothing about the call to report a burglary and is disconcerted to find a police officer at his door, asking for ID that shows this is his residence.

[First note: It is perfectly legal for a person in this country who is standing in his or her own home to refuse to produce an ID unless a warrant is attached. Gates refuses. He wants to see Crowley’s ID.]

Now, several years ago, an article appeared in my local paper, written by an ex-trooper, who wanted readers to understand that in interacting with police such as being pulled over by highway patrol they are dealing with two powerful emotions on the part of the officer: fear and ego.

It seems logical, then, that when Gates refuses Crowley’s request, Crowley gets his back up. With white/black interactions, there is a superiority/inferiority phenomenon at work in the white consciousness — the legacy of slavery that dictates that blacks, being inferior by way of having been slaves (!), must comply with white demands.

All whites who grow up in this country are racists to a greater or lesser degree. As Tim Wise, a well-known anti-racist activist and educator, recently pointed out on cable TV, we have to learn to check out our attitudes and perceptions about race when they pop into our consciousness. He cited a personal example that occurred when he had boarded an airplane and while waiting for take-off saw two uniformed black men head into the cockpit. His immediate reaction was, “Oh! My God! Can they really fly this plane?” For obvious reasons, he had to recognize that his reaction was racist garbage.

For Gates, he may have already had one or two encounters THAT DAY with racism in America. Returning from China where he had been filming a documentary, had he been delayed, for instance, in getting through customs because officials searched his luggage just as they routinely did whenever he returned from abroad?

Crowley teaches racial profiling at the police academy. In my town, as in too many other places, local officers routinely stop black men for the “crime” of DWB (Driving While Black). Some officers even follow these drivers to their homes.

The code in the black community warns that it is dangerous to be other than excessively polite and to use “sir” frequently when stopped by police. In other words, one must re-enforce the superiority/inferiority relationship. Because if you don’t, you may be arrested. Or end up dead. Black people do not survive in this society behaving in the same way that we whites do. The person on “shoplifting” duty at Stop & Shop does not target us, for instance, the minute we step into the store. Our integrity as to who we are and what we are doing is not being constantly questioned

Another officer, Carlos Figueroa, arrives right on Crowley’s heels. He writes in his police report, “When I arrived, I stepped into the residence and Sgt. Crowley had already entered and was speaking to a black man.”

[Second note: Unless Gates had given permission for Crowley to enter the premises, it was unlawful for him to do so.]

Figueroa continues, “As I stepped in, I heard Sgt. Crowley ask for the gentleman’s information which he stated “NO I WILL NOT!” The gentleman was shouting out to the Sgt., that the Sgt. was a racist and yelled that “THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO BLACK MEN IN AMERICA!” As the Sgt. was trying to calm the gentleman, the gentleman shouted, “You don’t know who your messing with!” He writes that he went back out to gather information from Ms Whalen and notes that there were seven people gathered outside the residence.

[Third note: It is not unlawful to be disrespectful to, or to berate, a police officer even though it may violate the norms of civil behavior.]

In regard to Crowley’s claim that Gates was shouting, Gates says that he was physically unable to do so because he had contracted a bronchial infection in China and had been treated there for it.

Crowley writes in his report, “I asked Gates to provide me with photo identification so that I could verify that he resided at 17 Ware Street and so I could radio my findings to ECC. Gates initially refused, demanding that I show him identification . . .”

[Fourth note: Must Crowley comply? Yes. It is the law that an officer must show his identification card when asked for it, but Crowley doesn’t.]

Crowley goes on “ . . . but then [Gates}did supply me with a Harvard University identification card. Upon learning that Gates was affiliated with Harvard, I radioed and requested the presence of the Harvard University police. With the Harvard University identification in hand, I radioed my findings to ECC on Channel Two and prepared to leave.”

At this point, Crowley should have left, but he doesn’t. Instead, he tells Gates that he will speak with him outside in response to Gates repeatedly demanding his identification. Once outside, Crowley arrests him for Disorderly Conduct, an arrest that he could not make while inside the house because disorderly conduct has to take place in public although a front porch hardly qualifies as a public place.

Crowley writes in his police report that Gates’s actions “served no legitimate purpose and caused citizens passing by this location to stop and take notice while appearing surprised and alarmed.” While this language adheres to the wording of the statute, according to the Explainer, who answered questions on the Slate web site (7/22/09), “the courts have ruled that disorderly conduct means fighting or tumultuous behavior or creating a hazardous or physically offensive condition that would cause public annoyance or alarm.”

Who was being alarmed? The “several Cambridge and Harvard University police” that Crowley noted were “assembled on the sidewalk in front of the residence”?? With so many police present, did the seven citizens still feel threatened by this slender black man who needed a cane to get around??

From the very beginning of his arrest, the charges against Gates were slated to be dropped because prosecuting attorneys know they have no chance of a successful outcome.

The upshot is that a white cop arrested a black man on a trumped up charge of disorderly conduct, handcuffed him, ran him into the station to be fingerprinted, stand for a mug shot, and sit in a cell for four hours just to show him who was boss.

97 comments
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07/29/09 @ 6:08 pm
cantankerous [Member] writes:
You nailed it, Mary, and good for you. The cop is remarkably talented, managing to violate the not only one set of the professor's constitutional rights (Mass.) but two (Federal as well).
07/29/09 @ 6:16 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
"Leastwise."
07/29/09 @ 6:41 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
First note: US Supreme Court voted 5-4 that it is a criminal offense for anyone suspected of wrongdoing to refuse to identify himself to police.

Second note: Sgt Crowley had probable cause to believe a felony was in progress.

Third note: May not be legal, but it sure is stupid. Shame to see all that education wasted.

Forth note: Sgt.Crowley says he did, Professor Gates says he didn't. Simply a he said /she said.

Why do socialists hate cops?
07/29/09 @ 8:12 pm
dingbat [Member] writes:
This story is far too long in the tooth. Should have been over a week ago. Cop did his duty -- Gates was tired and stressed and over-reacted. Period!

And Peter, I think socialists hate cops because they consider them to be social and intellectual inferiors -- as they consider most of us to be. That's why they want big government to make our decisions for us, since we are incapable of doing it for ourselves.
07/29/09 @ 9:53 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Last night 17 people were shot in Chicago in a "black" neighborhood. 6 are in critical condition. Last weekend, 17 people were shot in Baltimore... in a "black" neighborhood.

Imagine if we addressed the real issues in the black community rather than having a beer with the Professor and Gilligan. Then, this country might see some progress.
07/29/09 @ 10:07 pm
bartenderfromhell [Member] writes:
Bwhahahahahahahahaha!
07/29/09 @ 10:51 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Thank you, cantankerous, for your kind words. Peter: if C. had really suspected G. of any wrong-doing he would have handled his going to the front door in a completely different manner. I doubt that he thought G. was a burglar just sitting there waiting for the police to show up? Your comment about the third note shows you are missing the point about how C. was setting G. up by asserting that G. was yelling and screaming and in regard to the Fourth Note, C. only claimed that he had told G. his name, not that he had actually shown him his ID card.
Buzz makes a really good point about doing something about the conditions that blacks (and other poor groups) suffer under in this rich country.
07/29/09 @ 11:23 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
I would tend to believe that the CPD has a certain protocol that needs to be adhered to, but since neither of us were there we'll never know if it was or wasn't.

If you'ld like some interesting reading check out the Inkwell Foundation, seems Gates is cut from the same cloth as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

When asked why people are drawn to him:

"They’re drawn to my sexy red tricycle. And the secret is my bell. Anyone who passes me on the bike path gets the bell treatment, especially beautiful women, and that bell is just irresistible. I’m sorry that there’s only one in the world, and God gave it to me. The bike shop only had one, and they’ve never had another. The tones are just magical."

Just thought I add that for a little levity ;-)
07/30/09 @ 7:57 am
balognasamich [Member] writes:
Mary, your comment reminded me of the ABC conversation; C is listening to A and B. C wants to be a party to chatter, but (A or B) says, I'm sorry, but this is an AB conversation, and you're C.
Do you see? It's useful in argument or negotiation.
Buzz, I like the comic relief, but just who is the Professor? Gilligan?
I think Gates would be Maryanne before Ginger, just my two cents...
07/30/09 @ 10:25 am
tapirfoot [Member] writes:
Good article. One factor you might want to consider. While it's true that Gates has an almost absolute free speech right under the First Amendment, the Supreme Court has also ruled that police officers who arrest people on any plausible pretext are immune from civil liability. That doesn't mean the arrest in this case was valid, but it's something you should consider: a police officer can arrest you even if you are not breaking the law and probably will not be sued successfully.
Police routinely arrest and then drop charges as a bargaining chip. You should note the document signed by both Gates and the Cambridge Police; a good example of the use of that bargaining chip.
07/30/09 @ 12:38 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
tapirfoot, Would you agree that the police, backed by the courts, have accrued too much power in their objective of controlling us. And we have let them, mostly because the general population is uninformed about our basic rights as well as statutes that are supposed to protect us. The law that says a police officer must produce his/her identification card was passed so that people in Gates situation could assert some control over a police officer who they perceived to be out of line. It is getting to the point where people feel that they should - MUST - obey every order given by a police officer.
07/30/09 @ 12:50 pm
nursenancy [Member] writes:
This story is getting far too much coverage and being built up too much by the press. Surely there must be news beyond this out there.
I am more upset that the President spoke out without even knowing the complete story.No comment would have been best said.
Maybe we need to review police conduct and also affuluent people reactions to authority.
07/30/09 @ 3:12 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
I suspect that many black people might think that we really need to have a good discussion on racism, but the press has added very little of value to such an undertaking. For instance, most have seen fit to repeat as though it were gospel what Crowley and Figueroa wrote in their reports or said in interviews. Per racist attitudes, what Gates has had to say is totally discredited as we have seen in a comment on this article. The President spoke out from the understanding that he has about exactly what goes on. Now we have heard that both the Attorney General and General Colin Powell have had similar experiences.

The population in general has conceded power to the police that is unwarranted. You mention the affluent and authority. They ARE the authority. If Crowley were a police officer in Greenwich, Connecticut, for example, investigating a possible break in at a mansion in that towm, he would be the one who was being excessively polite and sprinkling “sir” throughout his interaction with the CEO who answered the door. And when the CEO asked for his identification, you better believe that it would be produced pronto.
07/30/09 @ 3:32 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
..."Per racist attitudes..." And so the pot calls the kettle black...

I must have missed your column on "you are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker."

"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." MLK Jr.
07/30/09 @ 3:53 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
I'll be doing my part in helping the nation heal.

As the clock strikes 6 tonight.... listen my friend and you shall hear... the sound of Buzz opening a beer!
07/30/09 @ 4:10 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Wouldn’t it be great if it were that simple?
07/30/09 @ 6:09 pm
estherandson [Member] writes:
In Wheeling,Illinois, I was on a Citizens Advisory committee for the Police Department.I proposed police Cadets should have two years in college, majoring in Behavioral Health, before entering the Police academy.
WE now have mentally challenged people on our streets.
Service men and women from the wars that can't handle civilian living coming home.
I have had enough encounters with Police in Illinois as a common carrier delivery truck service.
All Crowley had to do is not play hard ball. He could explain why he was their, someone reported their was a problem, and he just came by to see if he could be of some help.He could of befriended Prof. Gates.
I yelled at a police officer to please leave me alone. I would take care of a broken bolt on my truck's license holder. the officer said,"If you don't shut up I will club you." I have worked for the Attorney Generals Juvenile probationary committee for three years. Leaving because of the controls
An angry child in fear,I wanted to
hear if the child loved his mother. He was 11 yrs. old.She objected.I could not ask that question.
07/30/09 @ 6:58 pm
nursenancy [Member] writes:
The president may think that he knows what goes on but in this incident...it is between Gates and Crowley. The press
has many interpertations of the exchange that took place and slants it for more air time. Neither you nor I know what really went on in the hearts of these men and it is not ours to judge.
07/30/09 @ 7:28 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
estherandson, We need more people like you who are willing to serve the community in some way. If more people did they might be more aware of what some of the problems are. I agree with your thinking about the way Crowley ought to have approached responding to the 911 call. But it seems clear he had another agenda. Sorry you had to leave your social work position.

Nursenancy, the situations between police who are always armed and many civilians who are not are situations that we have an obligation to monitor carefully. It may result in more deaths if we don’t. You are correct in saying that we do not know what was in each man’s heart, but we can judge them by their actions.
07/31/09 @ 1:44 am
estherandson [Member] writes:
To Mary:
Thank you for all the nice words. I worked at our local hospital 6 years as a courtesy cart driver. It changed my life. I found out at 76 yrs. I could teach. High School and middle school. I taught Good choices, self-worth and hope as a motivation speaker.
I had an encounter when I was in business A police officer said to me."Norman! Do you see that restaurant . When I come out of that restaurant, I want your Brake light on your truck fixed!".He had gone for coffee. When he got out, I asked his name and shook his hand.
Their always is a right way and a wrong way to handle a person.
I was on a committee in Illinois to promote to get kids to avoid drugs. One day all the surrounding townships set up a display to encourage anyone that drugs are a killer. I went to each police display to introduce myself. All the officers were rubber stamped. Not one of them showed any more compassion. That is how the training goes. It is time for change. With all the new technology, Police officers have to meet the challenges. Their lives depends on their new skills.
Thank you Mary.
07/31/09 @ 7:12 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Mary and estherandson,

It's wonderful for the two of you to agree that Sergeant Crowley should have used a "kinder" approach during the incident. Maybe he should have brought some cookies. Police officers everyday put themselves in danger. He was responding to a possible break-in and followed protocol. How would either of you reacted if you were home alone and someone broke into your house? Maybe a violent crack addict willing to do anything for money? An officer has no idea of the situation he/her is putting themselves in. Crowley did nothing wrong, was professional and followed procedure, that's all we can ask of him. Gates however, decided to play the race card and be verbally abusive to an officer just doing his job.
07/31/09 @ 9:30 am
Mary [Member] writes:
Buzz, I made the point in my article about police knowing that an incident can blow up into a dangerous one. If that was the case here, Crowley was taking no precautions. As I point out,he did not draw his gun (nor wait for back-up). He did not follow “protocol” by producing identification in order that Gates — who had no knowledge of the situation — would know that Crowley was, in fact, an officer. This is according to what Crowley, himself, says did. Gates did not make the 911 call which you are forgetting in the question that you put to me.

You seem to be ignorant of the history of the relation between black people and the police in this country.
07/31/09 @ 12:04 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Mary says:"You seem to be ignorant of the history of the relation between black people and the police in this country."

I guess its either that or I just don't happen to belive that race had anything to do with this case...your call.
07/31/09 @ 12:30 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Well, Buzz, if you don”t know the history then it would make sense that you don’t see the connection. Why not read or view some of that background and see if you see a connection then?
07/31/09 @ 1:05 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Mary, don't you think Gates would have been tipped off by the uniform? I'm no Harvard professor but it might have gotten my attention.

You seem to be ignorant of the history of the relation(ship) between bad people and the police in this country.

Five cops were shot that morning in a similar situation. Why don't you get out from behind your computer screen and ride shotgun some time.

The only thing racist about this are the racebaiters beating the race card drum. Is this your idea of the dialogue that is supposed to change things?

Still don't understand why socialist hate cops.
07/31/09 @ 2:19 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Peter, Just because someone is wearing a uniform it doesn’t necessarily mean that the person is a police officer. Plus, it isn’t a bad idea to know who you are dealing with. Crowley was obligated by law to produce identification no matter the reason that Gates was asking for it.

In regard to the five cops being shot that morning I am sorry to hear that happened. This makes it all the more curious why Crowley didn’t wait for back-up and didn’t draw his weapon if he thought there were burglars in the house. And you shouldn’t make assumptions about me and my experiences. Or what you think are a lack thereof.

You are falling into the trap of believing that the mainstream media keeps the public informed. There was a day when reporters did some investigative work in order to dig out some facts. No more.

Wouldn’t you imagine that socialists like honest cops rather than those who think that they are “the law.”
07/31/09 @ 2:19 pm
ernie haigs [Member] writes:
Mary

"All whites who grow up in this country are racists to a greater or lesser degree" - I find that to be an extremely racist and stereotypical comment; to the greater degree. Do you think it is possible that you may be part of the problem?
07/31/09 @ 2:46 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Mary you're a typical hypocritical elitist. You say I'm not worthy to make assumption about you, but you are entitled to make them about Buzz and myself.

All I did was change two words and correct your grammar.

Gates asked for the badge # and id after he started blowing his horn about his racist paranoia.

Racism had nothing to do with this, it was all about elitism, from Gates, to you, all the way up to the President.

07/31/09 @ 3:07 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
ernie, Yes, I am part of the problem, but like Tim Wise, whom I quote in my article, I work at overcoming it. I recognize that racism is an integral part of white culture. Let me ask you if you know about the Jim Crow laws that existed in the south? Have you ever heard of Emmett Till? If not, check out what happened to him. What about the Japanese who were forced to give up everything they owned when FDR consented to their being interned during WWII? What about the laws in many states that decreed that a black person could not marry a white person? What about the Supreme Court ruling in 1954 that said blacks could no longer be confined to separate schools because they were not getting an education equal to whites? Why did Jackie Robinson have to put up with being called all kinds of names just so he could play pro ball?

This does not mean that all white people in this country have an easy time of it. White workers have been prevented from organizing so that they could get better working conditions — less dangerous, better pay, health care, and pensions. I’m proud to be a union membe
07/31/09 @ 3:11 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

Having worked in academia for over 10 years, I can tell you that this case is only about egos. I don't usually side with police if I feel they have violated rights of an innocent person. However, we all know how we are suppose to behave while being questioned by the police. The fact this story has made national/international headlines is outrageous. Some people who hide behind their ivory towers feel entitled to do and say whatever they choose. This story was blow out of proportion and what is sad, is that there are good officers who do their job, as well as serious civil rights/discrimination violations that should have serious attention. I've spoken to campus police who resent what they must endure on the job. Many times students are raising hell on campus and because of who their parents are, the police can't do a thing about it. Same goes for tenured faculty. I have a friend who is a Cambridge police officer. I'd be interested to know what he has heard about this craziness. Shouldn't Obama be paying attention to some REAL issues? Or is this a great way to avoid them?
07/31/09 @ 3:45 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Mary, there's some 'background' here that I'm not allowed to mention.
Mary [Member] writes:
"Well, Buzz, if you don”t know the history then it would make sense that you don’t see the connection. Why not read or view some of that background and see if you see a connection then?"
07/31/09 @ 4:22 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Mary,

Who's the racist in this case.... Gates or Crowley?
07/31/09 @ 5:09 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
There is a new story about racism in the Boston area that gives examples other than the one that is the subject of the report that are worth reading. They show the lack of respect that some white officers have toward their black colleagues. Here’s the link: /www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/31/racist_e_mail_sparks_questions_on_free_speech_police_image/?page=2
07/31/09 @ 6:57 pm
magician [Member] writes:
I saw an Interesting documentary That encouraged citizens in Black urban neighborhoods to Videotape or use their camera phones while police are making arrests and educating People on Their rights as a Citizen to ask for a name , Badge # , why They are being questioned . I thought This was educational and all Americans regradless of color should know their rights before any policeman attempts an arrest. A policeman is a public servant , not The authority or The law. They are there to Protect and serve and Not abuse their Power. I have seen many Policeman not Follow Protocol . They are Suppose To give you Their badge number and name , Thats protocol. and as citizens I encourage People to videotape Or use their camrea Phones While Police are making Arrests. I am On neither Side of The Professor or Policeman ; However I Do beleive all Police Should Follow Protocol and not jump to hasty decisions.
07/31/09 @ 11:51 pm
tapirfoot [Member] writes:
Mary.. The Supreme Court has established that police can arrest folks without civil penalty and they have also established that people have free speech rights when speaking to officers. This produces a cognitive dissonance, but that is the law. Therefore you are free to act defiantly with the police if that's your choice and the police are free to put you in jail and then drop charges, without being sued. Under the circumstances, yes I would be polite with police and avoid a confrontation. That would be prudent. You may not like this, but this is the law of the land and if you want to change it, good luck in overturning the Supreme Court decision on police immunity.
08/01/09 @ 9:09 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Mary,

Read the Globe article and I'm glad the Boston Police will act quickly and decisively towards any type of racism.

A few weeks before the "Gates" incident, a white family in Akron, Ohio was attacked and assaulted by a group of 50 black youth. Reports suggest the gang shouted..."it's our world, it's a black world". The father spent 5 days in the critical care unit. This incident happened at a July 4th celebration. Now why is it that we haven't had a national debate on this issue as we have with Crowley/Gates?
08/01/09 @ 9:47 am
Ned [Member] writes:
Anyone who's piped up yet in this Thread who's actually African-American, raise your hand. Now; anyone who's actually African-American who regularly reads Cape Cod Today, raise your hand.
08/01/09 @ 10:29 am
Mary [Member] writes:
Buzz: Crowley.
magician: An interesting and educational documentary!
tapirfoot: Explain to us what “civil penalty” is. Many Supreme Court decisions have been reversed. They are not writ in stone. Do you happen to know the date of this decision? Given this decision, what is the recourse for us citizens for police misconduct? If there is none then we have already gone beyond the bounds of being a democratic society.
Buzz: No debate on this because the media did not want to “make a federal case” about it.
Ned: I hear what you are asking but am not sure I get your point
08/01/09 @ 11:26 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

Do you realize that your analogizes are ridiculous? What happened to professor Gates had less to do with race and more to do with egos and political agendas.

Bringing up stories of hate crimes doesn't make your argument about Gates and Crowley valid in the least.

08/01/09 @ 11:39 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Hey Ned, do dark skinned Italians count?

Time to wade out of this cesspool. wOOt!
08/01/09 @ 12:13 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Cru,

This is all about "race" in America. Wake up.
08/01/09 @ 12:16 pm
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Isn't it wonderful to have Crusader once again contributing nonsensical editorials to something she knows nothing about.
08/01/09 @ 12:23 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"nonsensical", dog? Think NOT! Have you worked in academia? Have you lived in Cambridge? Do you personally know any Cambridge police officers? NO YOU HAVEN'T and NO YOU DON'T. So who is the one who knows diddly-squat? Your ignorant comments tell it all. Thanks for sharing NOTHING, as usual.
08/01/09 @ 12:30 pm
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Yep, she's back folks!! In answer to your questions: yes I did work in academia; I lived in Cambridge in the 60's near the Pi Eta club; no, I do not know any Cambridge cops,thank you.
Can you tell us where in Cambridge you work, and your role in academia??

Standing by
08/01/09 @ 12:31 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru,

Lets get real. The Gates/Crowley incident has been the center piece for discussion in all corners of America for the last week plus. Editorials in major newspapers, top story on national/local news and all the way to the White House. Now, you come along and tell me I'm wrong it has nothing to do with race....according to who? You?
08/01/09 @ 12:36 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

This is not a story about RACISM! This is a story about a professor who has saturated himself with research and teaching on the subject for so long, his brain is fried. It looks to me as though he's used his own personal experience as an excuse to exploit the police.

This story reminds me of your own pompous, idiot, self-absorbed, jaded writer Manso who also found a podium to preach about his own self inflicted miseries while trying to panhandle a sorry ass book. We are all still waiting for his trial on the gun charges--so where are they? And Flook, the writer from another well known local college, married to the 40 year-tenured-poet. Don't you guys get it? They all hide behind the same insulated walls of higher ed., just so they can tell you how wonderful they all are, while begging for $$$--PLEASE!

I honestly don't know what is worse--a useless education attached to a whining, hateful egomaniac or one with an agenda on racism lacking evidence. They all need to be given the boot and forced to volunteer within the thousands of impoverished communities around the US.
08/01/09 @ 12:52 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
YES ME, BUZZ! A co-worker's family member works at Harvard. Many who work there agree that the professor was OUT OF LINE. People within my own office, down the river, also agree, the professor was OUT OF LINE.

Stories like these, SELL newspapers, magazines, spike ratings. Come on, you're the guy with the name BUZZZZZ who professes to know all there is about MEDIA, & you don't know this is all about how to make a buck off another shitty story? Since when did the media ever give a damn about a story that is WORTHY of attention? We are all saturated by stories of BS so we can be continually distracted about the more important issues of the day.

You surprise me, Buzz, & here I thought you were a thinking man.

You know the saddest part about this story? Professor Gates has probably set back real progress the leaders of communities been making with real racial issues in our cities. He is an embarrassment to Harvard & anyone who works in fighting racial discrimination. You don't get anywhere behaving this way. The police unions are very strong--as we all know. Better to work them.
08/01/09 @ 12:56 pm
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Cru,
What does diddly squat mean???
08/01/09 @ 1:01 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Better to work with them, than against them. A wise person knows the difference.

This is not a Rodney King story! I think the professor should get over it--and fix his damn door!

The Harvard police should have been there to diffuse the situation. Shame on them, too, for not keeping things quiet, as anyone who has worked on a college campus knows they are trained only too well! Why do you think they have campus police? It's not really for security--it's to keep things under wraps.

The entire story is a NON-STORY, utter nonsense. Now let's see how many empty, useless, unprofitable books they can make out of this one. I'm surprised Manso hasn't chimed about this so he can use it for another worthless chapter. Maybe he and the professor can hold a duo-book-signing. LOL

08/01/09 @ 1:06 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
dog,


* diddly-squat, diddlysquat, diddly-shit, diddlyshit, diddly, diddley, squat, shit (a small worthless amount) "you don't know jack"

WordNet home page

Are you for real? LOL...

08/01/09 @ 1:12 pm
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Thank you Crew,
You really are an educated and well versed woman. You have such a wonderful way with words. I still think you might be at Mt Ida.Tell the gathered gentry where you ply your trade.Are you still in Somerville??
08/01/09 @ 1:15 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
crusader: I live in an academic community. Police do arrest students based on various infractions like noise (only in certain neighborhoods) and those connected to the consumption of alcohol. The problem seems to be when these cases come before the judges who seem to take the position that “boys will be boys.” Harking back to their own youthful days. BUT — if these were charges against white kids who worked at McDonald’s or in a factory or drove a delivery truck the penalties would be more severe. If a hundred blacks gathered at two o’clock in the morning in the center of town they would be hauled off to jail.
I believe that Crowley elaborated big time in his report to the response of Gates to his visit. Crowley needed justification for arresting the professor on the trumped-up charges of disorderly conduct. Crowley also appears to have lied about Whelan”s using the word “black” in describing the two men she saw on the porch. Whelan denies it. she was very careful not to use these types of identification during her 911 call. Whelan has credibility in this matter.
08/01/09 @ 2:03 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

I understand your side of the argument. I have been outspoken on corruption within law enforcement for some time now. Ask anyone on this site. Frankly, I haven't shut up about it for years. What I'm asking is that everyone take a deep breath and look at this story as it is--

You have a Harvard professor who teaches racism arrested after provoking an officer who was called by an employee of the university who works at Harvard Magazine, reporting "breaking & entering". She was asked to describe the suspect--who cares what she said. It's a non-issue. What is important is what took place in the home between the professor and officer. If it were you or I, someone with no prestigious affiliation--the officer would have treated us the same. In the defense of the arresting officer, they do deal with a lot of scumbags on a daily basis, esp. inner city streets. Everything should be weighed in. Police have to deal with politics they have no control over. Harvard throws much weight around here and is far reaching. Gates took it too far. Campus PD should have dealt with it quietly.
08/01/09 @ 2:15 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
cont. I believe there is another serious issue that is being overlooked. The obvious breakdown in communication between Cambridge PD and Harvard's Campus PD. If it were me--I would have both departments at the scene and left it to the Harvard Campus Police. I'm betting that is the way it should have been handled and someone was asleep at the switch. It is absolutely incomprehensible for me to believe that the Harvard Campus Police would allow the Cambridge Police to enter the home of a Harvard Professor without alerting them.

Mary, I worked at Tufts for 8 years, and have friends at Harvard. I work at another very prestigious local university that handles matters of crime all in the same way I have described. It's called playing the game and keeping containment. There are lots of stories I could share, but it wouldn't do any good, just compromise my own reputation. Some things are better left untold. Money and politics are running the world, so what else is there to say? We both know what it is I'm trying to say. The officer was doing his job. Lawsuits are an unpleasant reality.

08/01/09 @ 3:21 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
crusader: Several points (1) It looks as though Crowley did not know that Gates had any relation with Harvard until he saw Gates’ Harvard ID. It was at that point that he did, in fact, call them because they were on the scene — according to his report.(2) Whelan was careful to say that it might not be a break in when she talked with the 911 dispatcher. She pointed out the suitcases on the porch. She said it was possible these men were simply trying to get into their own home. And, by the time Crowley arrived, one of them had left the scene. I am willing to bet that she told Crowley this, but he does not put it in his report (3) You say “Harvard professor . . . arrested after provoking an officer”. The only thing that Gates did that provoked Crowley was to ask for his ID. In white consciousness that is being an “uppity n ——.” So Crowley put a lot of nonsense in his report to justify his arrest.Even knowing that the charges would be dropped because no prosecutor would be able to make them stick.
08/01/09 @ 4:12 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

Do you know what Gates said to the officer? Something about his mother?
08/01/09 @ 4:14 pm
tapirfoot [Member] writes:
Mary, in answer to your request, 2004.
I appreciate your fighting spirit but I think it's important to recognize the law of the land. In Haugen v. Brosseau, The Court wrote a full opinion on the Brosseau case, reiterating its position that
police officers should be presumed to be immune from suit in cases involving
discretionary actions taken in the course of their law enforcement activities. The Court
held immunity should only be denied when the officer’s conduct was obviously
unconstitutional or when there was legal authority squarely governing the facts of the particular case that would have placed any reasonable officer on notice that the conduct was unlawful.
08/01/09 @ 4:19 pm
tapirfoot [Member] writes:
In regard to what is a civil penalty?Gosh Mary I'd think if you are goin to opine on this case, this would be a basic piece ofknowledge. THe point is, Officer Crowley could arrest Gates and not fear being sued in civil court. (You'll note Gates and his lawyer kept talking about suing him.)
You also don't understand why an officer who thought he was dealing with a litigious person (and Gates was talking about speaking to higher ups).. would protect himself by arresting the dude, knowing the charges won't stick. He has nothing to fear in civil court, is my point. Police do this all the time. You may not like it, but a prudent person who has to deal with police ought to know this. I am guessing you don't have much concern in that department. If I were instructing my kids, especially if tehy were black, I'd definitely let them know about this, rather than instilling the kind of defiant attitudes you seem to advocate. Maybe you need to leaven your ideals with common sense and some knowledge of the law.
08/01/09 @ 4:41 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
crusader, Crowley says in his report that Gates said, “ya, I will speak with your mamma outside.”
tapirfoot: I asked about civil penalty as a general matter of law because I thought all of us in this conversation should have the same understanding. Your assumption about Crowley thinking that it would be a good idea to arrest Gates, knowing the charges wouldn’t stick, as some kind of protection for himself from litigation doesn’t make sense.
You have no idea of my history so please stop guessing about it. I am not advocating defiant attitudes. I am simply saying that they are not against the law. Furthermore, your attitude is in the direction of advocating that we give up certain basic rights because the police do not like our exercising them!!
08/02/09 @ 7:06 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

The only people who know the facts are those who were at the Gates home. The police unions rule and those above them will always go along. Try following some cases of police who really break the laws and see what happens to them. Lawyers don't discriminate. ANY well paying client will do. I grew up believing that every officer, fireman and EMT was a good person who took the job to help us remain safe and put criminals behind bars. I found out that is not always the case. It's more like everything is grey and so are people in every profession. Police are no different. They get caught up in a system that is far from perfect and do what they have to do to survive. In this case, I think that Gates was trying to use his position and this situation to prove a point to the police and take the spotlight. Now more students will take his class. Maybe he can write a book about the experience, like Manso. I tell you, it won't do any good. He will be sorry he went this far. If you don't understand their world there is nothing I can say that will change it. It's just not that simple.
08/02/09 @ 9:16 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Just as a side note:

What I've learned: Those who pose negative energy on my life--give them the boot and fast. Surround yourself with only positive people and genuine friends who will help you prosper. Life suddenly gets easier.
08/02/09 @ 11:01 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Cru says: "The only people who know the facts are those who were at the Gates home."

Does that mean we should disregard your earlier comments about this being all about egos?

08/02/09 @ 11:36 am
Mary [Member] writes:
crusader: In your first nine sentences you make a case for there being people in public service jobs who do things outside the law. At least, that is what I take your meaning to be. You thought everything was on the up and up and then learned differently. Yet in this one case, the Gates case, you are not willing to say that an officer used his power just to prove to a black man, a black professional, author, teacher, friend of people like the president of the US, that he was still a n————!! It is up to us, citizens of what we like to think is still a democracy, to be watchdogs of those who are supposed to be our servants.
08/02/09 @ 11:36 am
crusader [Member] writes:
I love it, trying to teach the ABC's of life to Buzz.

NO, it's precisely the point. Which one escalated the events which led to the outcome. And you know why people are not speaking out? Because we have become so afraid to speak out against anything that is NOT politically correct, so everyone ignores what is obvious. What the hell happened to judging a person by his actions and not his profession and or color due to political constraints. I don't give a damn who they are--color, class, race--if you are an *sshole, you are an *sshole, bottom line.

Everyone has made a big deal out of nothing. I've worked with all kinds, good and bad, pompous and humble, backstabbers and those who would give me the shirts off their back. Those who are in positions of power and influence are sometimes the worst people of our society, but as I said before, as long as people continue to be brainwashed about class status and wealth, nothing will ever change. If the officer had really treated Professor Gates in such an inhumane way, I would be the first to b!tch, but I don't believe this was the case.
08/02/09 @ 11:41 am
Mary [Member] writes:
crusader: And your case rests on what?
08/02/09 @ 11:44 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Cru's kind of an enigma inside a maze Mary, don't waste too much time trying to figure it out... its never been done.
08/02/09 @ 11:55 am
magician [Member] writes:
MARY , BUZZ and CRU go at it all the time. Cru does make a good point of The campus police not being called ; especially when The guy had a suitcase . personally if I came home , tired , forgot my keys , etc. my Temper would be a Little short if a police Officer arrived .
08/02/09 @ 11:57 am
crusader [Member] writes:
cont..

We all know how certain writers lie to sell books that otherwise would not and how the reports will distort the facts to serve themselves and their boss, networks, newspapers, and magazines. We don't have to go down that road, since you know exactly what I am referring to. Someone on your island in a very powerful position goes after young female news interns just to get the slant right, so don't give me the bull. I got it first hand.

How about encouraging the absent minded professor to fix his door as his wife insists and continue to educate police so they can focus on their jobs and arrest those who pose serious safety issues to our communities. From what my friend at work tells me, a former head of MSP unit, they are not spending enough time on training our officers to be the best they can be. He said, "four weeks just doesn't cut it". So instead of tossing them out without proper screening to make sure they are right for the job, how about we spend some money to make sure they do their jobs the right way? Or is that just to simple a solution that no one can fully grasp?
08/02/09 @ 12:09 pm
tapirfoot [Member] writes:
Mary
"defiant attitudes are not against the law".. I agree.
But "defiant attitudes" can get you arrested and the law says the cops will not pay any price for that.
Do you agree?
Even though in Massachusetts you have a law requiring the police to give their i.d., demanding it belligerently or not could get you arrested and the police will still face no penalty for doing so.
These are facts of law I would teach anyone who encounters such a situation.
The concept of the "bargaining chip" means this: when Gates gets out of the lockup he signs a paper with the Cambridge police saying no one did anything wrong. Why did he do that? The cops agreed to drop charges is why.
Arresting him created a bargaining chip. Officer Crowley heard Prof. Gates talk about speaking to "the chief' and may have feared he would get in trouble. So arresting Gates was a smart move, in that limited context.
08/02/09 @ 12:23 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

You tread on dangerous territory when you try to question motives of the police. I'm not suggesting this is the case here, nor should they be challenged if necessary, just trying to give some advice. It is sometimes best to let things alone. I was once so uninformed, naive and not that long ago. My father shielded me from the horrors of this world, for that I am grateful, but wished he lived to educate me. I do believe that there are police officers who put on that uniform with the full intent of keeping our families safe. But, we learn there are those who do not deserve to wear their badge and could be otherwise hauled off to jail like anyone else breaking the law. That's when it goes grey. There needs to be a major overhaul with regard to how we train police and provide better services. They don't call it a "Brotherhood" for no reason. They all stick together because they have to and if a fellow officer is not exactly a straight arrow, the good guys just look the other way. It might take another generation until things change. Change doesn't always come so easily or quickly.
08/02/09 @ 12:53 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

Once I was a die hard idealist, being a realist isn't so glamorous. I've learned over time, there are other factors involved in the way things happen. People are conditioned to believe everything they read in the newspapers and at the same time, are discouraged to take someone's word as gospel, even if true, or it sounds completely outrageous and could pose a threat to the way the system works. Maybe Professor Gates was over tired from his flight, maybe he over reacted, maybe Officer Crowley acted impulsively without thinking it out. But as I said earlier, lawsuits concern everyone involved and I know they are a popular weapon of retaliation used many times, by many different people. Lawsuits against the City of Cambridge successfully by a Harvard Professor would mean a big cash out and great cash loss. It spells big trouble. It's quite possible what tapirfoot says is accurate. Crowley took him in to sign the form which would make it harder to sue. It sounds logical and certain the officers are trained in that area. Too bad they don't train more in other areas.
08/02/09 @ 2:12 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
crusader & tapirfoot: You are both accepting as gospel the account of Gates’s behavior that Crowley wrote in his report and that the media picked up and spread as though it was factual. Try to look at it as though Gates had never raised his voice and then see where you come out.
As far as I can see, no one knew that the resident at 17 Ware Street was on the Harvard faculty until Gates gave Crowley his ID at which point Crowley called them to the scene.
The luggage on the porch was a tip-off to Whelan, and probably to Crowley, that there was no burglary occurring.
The scene at the White House is interesting for two reasons. The president wanted to get the incident off his back and all four men sitting there knew that Gates had been arrested on false charges.
08/02/09 @ 3:35 pm
tapirfoot [Member] writes:
First of all, given the last 100 years of research, I don't accept the Gospel as Gospel and neither should you.
We are all trying to create a narrative using pieces of information, some of which are unreliable. The best we can do is fit the pieces together and try to avoid projecting into the situation. My explanation fits the following facts: there was an arrest, charges were dropped, a paper was signed. Gates sounded litigious, Crowley was concerned and needed a bargaining chip.
With my explanation you don't have to go into invidious personal speculation. My explanation also is quite informative and based on the actual law as it is administered. It's something useful to know. You live in Cape Cod, an "area less racially diverse than other parts of Massachusetts, with a population that is 95% Caucausian and 2% African-American." Race relations are a hobby for you. I live in a southern city with a majority African-American population. Race relations are part ofmy daily life. Black parents would agree with me: Your advice to defy the police is not prudent
08/02/09 @ 4:09 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
tapirfoot: Where did you come by the information that Gates was calling anyone other than Harvard U. Building Maintenance?
For the second time, I am not advocating defiance to the police. I have said that we have conceded too much power to them.
FYI, there are twenty-seven languages spoken in the schools in the community where I live.
08/02/09 @ 8:15 pm
tapirfoot [Member] writes:
I read your comments as advocating defiance, resistance. OR what do you mean specifically by not "conceding"?
I don't see what's gained by pushing back at the police. If Gates shows his i.d. and keeps his mouth shut, end of story. If he stays in his house, end of story. If Gates were my friend, I'd advise him, keep your mouth shut and stay in your house. Because I wouldn't want to see my friend cuffed and jailed even for a half hour.
The law of the land allows the police to do that and get away with it. You may not like it and maybe I don't either, but that's the current law.
08/02/09 @ 9:54 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
tapirfoot: I can only conclude that we disagree.
08/04/09 @ 5:01 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, Mainiac

This is an excellent summary of what went down at Prof. Gate's home, but you haven't really addressed the core issue of racial profiling.

Yes, Gates' civil rights were being violated in several respects, Crowley entering the home without permission, asking Gates for an ID inside his own home, getting him to step outside so he could arrest him for "disorderly conduct," a trumped up charge so bogus the DA had it voluntarily dismissed as soon as it came before the Court. Those would all be serious incidents of police misconduct irrespective of race.

But it all began with, and was in furtherance of racial profiling within the Cambridge P.D. How else do you get from Whalen's very tentative description of a Hispanic and another man of uncertain race who may have just been pushing on a sticky door, to Crowley's more specific and erroneous written note that "two black men" were reported to be breaking in?

And that's the problem with racial profiling -it too often leads to violation of an innocent minority "suspect's" civil rights.
08/04/09 @ 5:31 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, Tapirfoot

The City of Cambridge, as a public employer, cannot be held liable under the Mass. Tort Claims Act, M.G.L. c.258, for Crowley's misconduct insofar as it involved false imprisonment, false arrest, infliction of mental distress, malicious prosecution, etc., as provided in Sect. 10(a).

Crowley can, however, be sued civilly for his "obviously unconstitutional" violation of Gates' civil rights under both state and federal law by entering his home without a warrant, probable cause or invitation, by then wrongfully demanding that he produce an ID in his own home and by then by inviting him outside to arrest him on a bogus charge of disorderly conduct.

This is recognized in the Mass. Tort Claims Act, at c.258, Sect.9A, which requires that the Commonwealth defend and indemnify the errant police officer in such a case.

If Crowley's misconduct were then found to have been wilful, wanton or malicious, however, then the state would not have to indemnify him and he would be solely responsible for any damages awarded -which could result in Gates' levying on Crowley's home.
08/04/09 @ 6:57 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Richard, Although I did not specifically tag Crowley’s actions as racial profiling I more or less explainthat it took place during the events in the following two paragraphs.
It seems logical, then, that when Gates refuses Crowley’s request, Crowley gets his back up. With white/black interactions, there is a superiority/inferiority phenomenon at work in the white consciousness — the legacy of slavery that dictates that blacks, being inferior by way of having been slaves (!), must comply with white demands.

All whites who grow up in this country are racists to a greater or lesser degree. As Tim Wise, a well-known anti-racist activist and educator, recently pointed out on cable TV, we have to learn to check out our attitudes and perceptions about race when they pop into our consciousness. He cited a personal example that occurred when he had boarded an airplane and while waiting for take-off saw two uniformed black men head into the cockpit. His immediate reaction was, “Oh! My God! Can they really fly this plane?” For obvious reasons, he had to recognize that his reaction was racist g
08/04/09 @ 7:08 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Richard (cont.)
garbage.”
Even though Crowley gives instruction on racial profiling, he didn’t do what Wise recommends. When Gates asked him for his ID, Crowley seems to have immediately registered Gates as “uppity.” And it all flows from there.
I could have done a better job of it.
In a newspaper interview, Crowley is reported as saying that he thought Gates would be “grateful” for his knocking on his door. And no doubt he would have gotten that response in some parts of town, but the history between blacks and police don’t always generate that appreciation. And Crowley’s subsequent behavior tells us why.
08/04/09 @ 7:11 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Richard, Thanks for adding to this dialogue by spelling out precisely the situation that would apply to both the Cambridge Police Department and Sgt. Crowley.
08/04/09 @ 7:27 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Mary/Richard,

If Sgt Lashley was the first to response and the outcome was the same for Prof. Gates, what would we be talking about right now?

My point is, that arrests similar to this happen day in and day out in this country. White on black, black on white, black on black, white on white, Latino on.... you get my point.
08/04/09 @ 9:05 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Well, Buzz, I doubt that in this particular situation the outcome would have been the same. The remarks that Sgt. Lashley have made since the incident are simply the Cambridge Police Department closing ranks on behalf of a fellow officer. Nothing unusual in that. I would not want to be the officer that doesn’t follow suit.
08/04/09 @ 9:46 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Mary

Your observation about closing ranks is right on the mark. For that reason, I have felt that Crowley himself may not be racist in any personal sense, as he claims, but he is still loyal to the systematic racism that is inherent in the profiling that goes on within the Department.

Crowley says Whalen described two black men, she denies ever saying that to him, and her 911 call only mentions a Hispanic. So, it may not have originated with Crowley, but somewhere in the chain racial profiling took over. That's an objective, logical conclusion where there is no other sensible explanation.

Maybe Crowley's report about two black males, attributing it falsely to Whalen, was just his way of covering for the dispatcher who profiled. I could accept that if the police admitted it and then apologized, not just to Gates but to the public as well.

Whatever the case, Obama was correct in his assessment that the police acted stupidly in this matter, even though he probably shouldn't have gotten himself drawn into the debate in the first place as a matter of politics.
08/04/09 @ 10:58 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Richard, I think that when Crowley wrote up the incident he felt that he had to add several things to it to justify the arrest. I think that what he said about Gates yelling at him is part of his elaboration. Gates says he wasn’t capable of yelling because of a bronchial infection and I doubt very much that he said the remark about yo mama. That was Crowley being smart. I think he added the “black” to Whelan”s report. He had the conversation one-to-one with Whelan when he arrived at the scene and says that is what she told him.
I agree that Obama would have been wiser to stay out of it except he knew that Gates black friends were incensed.
08/05/09 @ 7:01 am
possee [Member] writes:
Buzz
Crowley and Gates have made up and moved on..
while the salt air has embellished a continuing saga of "guilty while progressive" comments ad nauseum..

can't wait for the next chapter re: the obama joker poster..that'll be weeks of hand wringing and investigative conjecture..

possee
08/05/09 @ 8:23 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Richard,

I understand there's a dispute between "who said what" between Crowley and the caller. Remind me again where the "systematic racism that is inherent in the department" comes from? Did I miss something, I wasn't aware of the departments problems.
08/05/09 @ 9:09 am
crusader [Member] writes:
You guys are still at it? Not even the folks in Cambridge are talking about this anymore, well at least some of us working in CambridgePort...LOL.

Mary, you said,"Crowley is reported as saying that he thought Gates would be “grateful” for his knocking on his door".

Maybe because his home was just broken into last week?

No doubt that both men acted stupidly. Some of my colleagues say that "Skip" Gates is now an embarrassment and laughing stock, interesting given it's coming from people within higher ed.

I'm sure Gates will find a way to use this incident to enhance his career.

That reminds me of the two writers whose only mission was to profit from exploiting others, or themselves. But what do they care, as long as their bank accounts don't start shrinking.

Obama should have never got involved in this story. He's looking just as bad as "Skippy".
08/05/09 @ 9:15 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey Buzz,

You asked me how my summer was going? What summer? Where is it? I'm too busy working to think about how much it's been raining and feel as though I'm about to grow gills. Feels like the Columbian rainforest and even in the city it's looking like a jungle of overgrown vegetation.

I'm planning a trip to N.Italy in the upcoming months to visit family. That is sure to be a great trip! Do you ever go to Sicily? If not, you should go. Europe is a beautiful world to experience.
08/05/09 @ 10:05 am
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey, Buzz

Did you miss something? Yeah, you missed the whole point.

Now, take a deep breath and think about your answer. Take as much time as you want and then give us a direct, well-reasoned explanation.

Assuming that Whalen is truthful saying she did not speak with Crowley as he wrote in his report, where did he get the information about "two black males" breaking in from her 911 report of a possibly Hispanic and another man only possibly breaking in? Pick one.

A. Did he just make it up -i.e. lying to cover himself as Mary suggests? Possibly.

B. Or did he, more likely, write that he heard it from Whalen because he actually heard it from the dispatcher who profiled, translating possibly "Hispanic" maybe just pushing on a stuck door into "two black males" breaking in.

It's an undeniable fact that racial profiling exists in police departments, think Charles Stuart and Willie Bennett for example, and Crowley himself teaches rookie cops about it, so it's logical that racial profiling by the police led to Gates' arrest, unless you think Whalen lied. But, then, why?
08/05/09 @ 11:44 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Richard,

Still waiting for you eviedence.

Merriam and Webster:

Systematic: relating to or consisting of a system

Inherent: : involved in the constitution or essential character of something : belonging by nature or habit
08/05/09 @ 12:56 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
evidence sp?
08/05/09 @ 1:09 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
A biotic barrier.
08/05/09 @ 3:20 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Biotic Baking Brigade:)
08/07/09 @ 10:16 am
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, Buzz

Words are defined both on the pages of lexicons and in the behavior of those who use them. The English neologism "profiling" refers to the actual practice used, historically and still at present, by police departments on all levels and in all parts of the country, to focus on black males as suspects, whether or not there is any objective evidence to support a suspicion, and as in Gonsalves' case and Gates' case, in the face of objective evidence to the contrary.

You define "system" tautologically as "referring to a system." There are several definitions of "system" in my dictionary, one of which is "an established way of doing something; method; procedure. . . . ", which fits racial profiling in police departments exactly.

As far as questioning whether racism is inherent among many segments of the American population, what planet have you been living on for the past 235 years?

As I've said before, a huge part of the problem is denial -and you seem to have a bad dose of it.
08/07/09 @ 10:25 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Richard,

Well put as usual. It must be racism... not other explanation. Thank you for bringing me back to planet earth.
10/31/09 @ 4:37 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Peter Walker comments..."Mary, don't you think Gates would have been tipped off by the uniform? I'm no Harvard professor but it might have gotten my attention.

You seem to be ignorant of the history of the relation(ship) between bad people and the police in this country.

Five cops were shot that morning in a similar situation. Why don't you get out from behind your computer screen and ride shotgun some time.

The only thing racist about this are the racebaiters beating the race card drum. Is this your idea of the dialogue that is supposed to change things?

My thought...the only thing racist about this incident was Obama's response.
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