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"YOU LIE"

Two words that have recently circled the globe and are still the subject of the twenty-four hour news circle are "You lie." These words, shouted by Congressman Joe Wilson, stunned me. They were, to be sure, against the protocol of the Congress; but taken in a larger context, how outrageous were they? Anyone who has watched a session of the British House of Commons knows that that atmosphere can become quite raucous. The British, of course, do not go as far down that road as say members of the South Korean Legislature who have been known to end sessions with fisticuffs. And, it should be remembered that there have been some pretty rowdy Congressional get-togethers in the American past.

In the public arena, President Obama has never been called the things that President Lincoln was called. Lincoln was called a baboon. And not everyone in today's America condemns Representative Wilson. When the marchers of the Tea Party Rally in Washington were asked by a reporter from CNN what they thought of Wilson on Saturday, thousands of them broke into roars of approval. Much was made of Wilson's opponent in the upcoming election raising four hundred thousand dollars within twenty-four hours of Wilson's statement. Conversely, Wilson has raised over a million dollars to date. And the question can fairly be asked, "Would the increased scrutiny of the Health Care Bill have taken place without Wilson's statement; would I be writing this blog without Wilson's statement?" The bottom line is that there is a fair amount of prevarication on the president's part. The president said flatly that no illegal alien would be given health care under H.R.3200 but when Republican Committee Members tried to insert specific Prohibitions into the bill, they were voted down along party lines. To put all of this in real terms, let's suppose for a moment that an illegal alien who is pregnant or an illegal child who is sick with a fever, or an illegal man who has been injured present themselves at the Cape Cod Hospital Emergency Room. We all know that they will be treated; the question is, "Who Pays?"

Now, let me make one thing clear at this point, I support a Health Care Bill but it has to be realistic and honest and it must be free of political hypocrisy. The Republican responder to President Obama's speech on Wednesday night was Congressman Boustany of Louisiana, himself a doctor. A great hue and cry rose out of the Democratic Caucus about the fact that Representative Boustany had received over four hundred thousand dollars in campaign contributions from the medical establishment. Now, here's the hypocrisy, Nancy Pelosi, Charlie Rangel, Steny Hoyer and many other Democrats have received more money than Boustany from the medical establishment. Charlie Rangel has received more than twice as much.

Another unrealistic facet of H.R.3200 is the stipulation that insurance companies cannot deny or cancel coverage. The medical insurance industry in America makes a three to four percent profit on every dollar grossed. According to my figures, this industry ranks eighty-sixth in corporate earnings. It's not Exxon Mobile and realistically it cannot, under present circumstances, meet the stipulations laid out in H.R.3200.

President Obama suggests that Government Health Insurance will force the insurance industry to be more competitive-more competitive than what? You can't get blood out of a stone!

Obama talks about paying for all of this with increases in efficiency; this causes me to laugh. Does he mean an efficient Government Program? As a Veteran, I have dealt with the Veterans' Administration which is government run health care. It's a mess, and I'm being kind.

None of this would matter so much if the United States weren't broke. The United States is not only broke; it's way past being broke. It's trillions of dollars in debt to lender countries like China-the main supplier of the junk at Wal-Mart. The real problem with all of this and many other things too, is that Americans, on the whole have their collective heads up their collective behinds. They have no concept of reality at all and wouldn't want to have one. Now, does that make me the one who's being rude?

My four surviving children, as a group, find it hard to believe that I don't support Obama in everything. My oldest son accuses me of prejudice. I don't think of myself as prejudicial, I do think of myself as being consistent and I have consistently called Obama an ego tripper and a jive master. At the same time I must say, "He's very good at it! One of the best." But I suggest that the American people should listen to him more closely and carefully examine what he says. I know one thing for sure, and this is a little bit selfish, but health care on Cape Cod is generally quite good. Here we have some world-class doctors and one of the best hospitals in America and although I agree with health care reform in theory, I don't want to see our situation on Cape Cod changed for the worst.

P.S. My wife, Karen, doesn't always agree with me and after reading this blog she said, "I think Wilson had a couple of drinks before he came to the Joint Session and I think he was really rude and disrespectful and I think he hates the President because he's black; after all he's from South Carolina."

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09/15/09 @ 5:47 am
jane.logan [Member] writes:
My first thought when Wilson interrupted the President to shout "you lie" was do attendees have to pass security to get in to the these meetings?

In other words, do the members of Congress go through metal detectors and other security checks?

If not it wouldn't suprise me if some crazed Republican in the House or Senate tries to kill Obama, not just the Health Care Reform Bill(s).
09/15/09 @ 7:19 am
possee [Member] writes:
David

(Massachusets) is the bastion of free speech (unless you disagree with the current gang),
has the nations highest,per capita state debt(approaching 1 trillion)
is the home of all the brilliant ivy league graduates now running, and ruining, the federal government.
home of Kerry, Delahunt, and Frank..
Needless to say, it is the "model" for Washington..
once the proud birthplace of independence...
now of corruption,demagoguery, and extreme dependence of the state.
Few can objectively, and collectively see the forest for the trees and continue the GOP/DNC litanny..
They hang on to the tired hope and change theme,
will thrash and gnarl at the GOP as the evil empire, while all along, it is blind allegiance to both empires, as they are one in the same, that clouds their perception..
the new beginning has come..
to their ultimate fall..
When Bush was pres, it was patriotic to dissent,
now it's racist..
how convenient.


possee
09/15/09 @ 9:21 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
As natural and spontaneous is the universal lie of thought.
09/15/09 @ 10:38 am
snowleopard#7 [Member] writes:
Your question about who pays for care for "illegal immigrants" is flawed, but the answer is: the same people who are paying under the current system=all of us. I don't think anyone's trying to hide that, and if someone proposes a practical, humane solution, I can't imagine anyone would argue against it. Any proposal you want to offer would be the first I'd have heard of.

And as for who insurance company earnings, and making them more competitive: Mr. Rojay, I know stones, and the US Medical Insurance industry is no stone. Almost 20% of all US insurance premiums go to overhead/admin (and yes, that includes insurance co. administrators.) In other developed countries, such as France -- which consistently delivers much better and more comprehensive care than does the US -- that margin is about 5%. Lots of blood there.
09/15/09 @ 11:17 am
j. madden [Member] writes:
DR says: "As a Veteran, I have dealt with the Veterans' Administration which is government run health care. It's a mess...."

Exactly what experiences have you had that cause you to declare the entire VA Health Care system "a mess"? Is your complaint with the Hyannis VA Clinic? Or, the VA Hospital, Providence? Or, both? Or, is your laughter simply over incidents of inefficiency? Could you share what the issues are that cause your care to be laughable?

I am a veteran using VA Health Care and I am satisfied. Nothing has happened over the years to cause me to laugh or shout. I would like to see two big changes in the VA system: allow access to CCH or non-VA hospitals and Congressional mandated funding.
09/15/09 @ 2:21 pm
tadthebad [Member] writes:
Snowleapord: please provide evidence or documentation that supports the statement, "In other developed countries, such as France -- which consistently delivers much better and more comprehensive care than does the US -- that margin is about 5%." I'm curious as to know the basis of "better and more comprehensive".
09/15/09 @ 4:59 pm
j. madden [Member] writes:
tbad: re your request to snow on health care in France you might find these two links interesting:

http://tinyurl.com/nxns5w

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/health/15book.html?em
09/15/09 @ 6:51 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"When Bush was pres, it was patriotic to dissent,
now it's racist..
how convenient.'

Funny..I found JUST the opposite!
When Bush was president, it was un-American and traitorous to dissent. In fact, if you disagreed with Bush, we were told we were "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"!!
NOW dissent is the patriotic thing to do.

"an illegal alien who is pregnant or an illegal child who is sick with a fever, or an illegal man who has been injured"

Well...What of the business owner who brought them here in the first place?
Gave them jobs at dirt poor wages, and then expects the rest of the country to take care of their healthcare....
for the sake or their profits.

We have plenty of money to provide healthcare for everyone. We just need the willpower to do it.

And by the friggin way...anyone who doesn't like their gvt. run benefits can give theirs up pronto!

...And that would be WHOLE lotta people.

09/15/09 @ 8:48 pm
wise [Member] writes:
To bittersweet: No senator or congressman screamed at Bush while he was speaking and lord knows some of them would have loved to yell at him but because he was the president they knew better. This is racism, plain and simple. White men just cant stand looking at a black man in power. Deny it all you want but its obvious it is all about race. Shame on them.
09/15/09 @ 10:51 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
The left it seems, is completely devoid of the ability to accept any disagreement on issues.

Robert Byrd gets a pass using the N-word yet George Allen's career is ended using a word most people had never heard.

The race card may be the biggest one in your deck but you can't hide everything behind it.
09/16/09 @ 7:31 am
possee [Member] writes:
Peter

The "race card" and "Bush are" the only cards in entire deck!
..and the answer to everything that opposes the left.
Read, watch, or listen to any discussion in opposition to Obama's policies and automatically , it reverts it race and Bush as a retort..hillarious!

In regards to any reports on Acorn..it's media blackout here as well.
Acorn is the Marine Corps for the left.
Dishonor,subvert, and defend corruption.
Afterall, our current commander in chief was their lawyer..

possee
09/16/09 @ 7:57 am
possee [Member] writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmn4ptXu21Y

In Obama's own words to Acorn..they will help set the agenda for America!
Facts is facts..

possee
09/16/09 @ 8:15 am
possee [Member] writes:
You lie?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3zCERmbgH0&feature=related

Acorn setting the agenda again..a promise from Obama they will help set the agenda at the White House.

possee
09/16/09 @ 11:25 am
Ned [Member] writes:
Acorn is toast thanks to Murdoch&Breitbart's stunts with the little 'pimp and ho' yuppies. "Defund the Left" has been standard marching orders since '77. How does the end of ACORN help your rather desperate personal situation, possee? Most of your taxes(and another item you value more) are going to the current Colonial Adventures in Asia. Hanging out with wingnuts won't help that.
09/16/09 @ 11:43 am
tadthebad [Member] writes:
Neither of the references listed make a compelling case that the service is better, and the figure given for how many uninsured exist is misleading. Other references I've seen demonstrate that the US is at or near the top for survival rates of most diseases. Using overall life expectancy rates considers much more than the healthcare system, things like type-of-work, where one lives, quality of life, etc.

The references listed suggest that those other healthcare sytems are simpler for patients. Still, I'm bothered by the opinion piece that claims France has a free-market, but also sets prices for non-profit providers; how does that jive? Whether it's doctors or health insurance providers, setting artificial limits on salary or profit is not consistent with a free-market.

There has to be a way to make health insurance better and easier, but I am very skeptical that additional bureacratic influence would lead to cheaper, better healthcare.
09/16/09 @ 1:36 pm
j. madden [Member] writes:
tbad: The health care system is so huge and complex and because it impacts on every living one of us, I fully share and understand your apprehension (if that's the right word for you - it is for me).

David Rojay: If you are not inclined to answer the questions I asked above, would you please describe anyway you choose, why you conclude VA Health Care is a mess? Any huge health care provider has its "events", usually kept private. In the case of the VA "events" are made public. So, I assume, stories that make national news are not what you have in mind when you write: "It's a mess, and I'm being kind."
09/16/09 @ 2:09 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
ACORN is toast thanks to ACORN's internal culture of corruption.
09/16/09 @ 2:54 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Wow, Rupert's kind'a like Dr. Evil.

What's next, world domination.

As a result of the indefensible action of a handful of our employees, I am, in consultation with ACORN's Executive Committee, immediately ordering a halt to any new intakes into ACORN's service programs until completion of an independent review," ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis said in a statement released Wednesday.
09/16/09 @ 3:04 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Peter, more precisely Jonathan Pryce portrayed a James Bond villain, billionaire media mogul Elliot Carver in the 1997 film TOMORROW NEVER DIES, based on Murdoch.
09/16/09 @ 3:06 pm
tadthebad [Member] writes:
Apprehension is one word...opposition is another. I oppose the plan in its original form, as included a public option (beyond what's currently available). I'm interested to read the proposal coming out of the Senate Finance Committee.

Keep in mind, the US has fewer physicians per 1,000 residents than other countries of OCED, as would certainly impact many of the different survival rates of various diseases. Would capping the potential salaries of doctors, as the suggested links mention, result in more doctors practicing in the US? I don't see how, but I'm open to a competing perspective.
09/16/09 @ 3:18 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
So you're saying Rupert is an agent for the Mossad?

That won't sit well down in Georgia with Earl, probably call him a racist.
09/16/09 @ 3:21 pm
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09/16/09 @ 3:24 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Rupert an agent of the Mossad? Was the Elliot Carver character revealed to be an agent of the Mossad? Um, actually some of my best friends are agents of the Mossad. Forget I said anything.
09/16/09 @ 3:48 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
"...I think he hates the President because he's black; after all he's from South Carolina."

That is so cool!

Does she also think all Italians are in the Cosa Nostra, all Irishmen are drunks, Jews are cheap, French are snobs and Blacks are great dancers?
09/16/09 @ 5:26 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
We have the right to acknowledge the racist past of this country and not just sweep it under the rug.
And S.Carolina was a bastion of racism, was it not??
So don't act so insulted. Facts IS facts.
Ugly is ugly. Wrong is wrong.
And old habits die hard.
And I would like someone to name one time when anyone ever did anything like that to any other president, ever.
When Bush was saying, "We don't torture."...hello! You lie! But no one said a peep.
Let's see....first time we have a mixed-race president...first time a member of congress yells out at the pres as a liar.....
Nothing to it?
Highly doubtful.
Where there's smoke there's fire.
: sign held with the picture of Obama as a voodo witch doctor.....with a bone in his nose. ala Russssshhhhh "Take the bone out of your nose and call me later" Limbaugh.
Glenn "dry-drunk" Beck: "Obama hates white people"....(he hates his own mother????)
And if Sheehan was arrested for wearing a t-shirt to a presidential address,why cry about a censure?
He got off easy.
09/16/09 @ 5:34 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Squeaky Fromme spends 34 years in prison for pointing a gun at Gerald Ford.....
Now we have avowed Obama haters showing up at meetings with guns strapped to their legs...
Shows how far the stealth "silent majority" has come to control the agenda.
09/16/09 @ 5:42 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
bitter...am watching Glenn Beck.

He would make a great "silent majority" candidate.

Lived in CA during the Squeaky years. You don't have a clue. Go Rush.
09/16/09 @ 6:37 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
"And S.Carolina was a bastion of racism, was it not??"

Another vote that since Joe Wilson is from S.C. he MUST be a racist.

That's as absurd as: "witches are made of wood and wood floats, so if she floats she's must be a witch."
09/16/09 @ 7:21 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Peter,

You say: "The left it seems, is completely devoid of the ability to accept any disagreement on issues."

Let me reword that a bit for you: "..devoid of the ability to accept outright lies and distortions..."

Your side of the debate is embarrassing itself with the stuff that it's cooked up to oppose health care reform. There are so many lies and scare tactics out there that we can't have an intelligent debate of Obama's plan. It might actually be flawed, but all of our attention is focused on death panels, coverage of illegals, etc.

One has to wonder: Why, if the GOP is so energized about Health Care today, didn't it do a single thing about it for 8 long years? The GOP had its chance.
09/16/09 @ 7:34 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth [Member] writes: "One has to wonder: Why, if the GOP is so energized about Health Care today, didn't it do a single thing about it for 8 long years? The GOP had its chance."

dk...we are not the GOP. Just honest citizens looking for a better future for our children. And we realize that neither the GOP nor DEM's have the answer.

And people wonder why gun stores all across the USA are sold out of ammunition.
09/16/09 @ 7:38 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
The important point here is that Obama did not lie. His reform WILL NOT cover illegals.

- No subsidies will be given to illegals
- Illegals cannot buy any insurance through the Insurance Exchange

That stuff, and other prohibitions, are in the various bills.

Now, do those bills eliminate all current access by illegals to health care? No.

The laws requiring that ERs provide coverage to everyone are not repealed. Private insurers can sell to illegals OUTSIDE the Insurance Exchange. Children born in the U.S. to illegal parents continue to receive care.

But use your heads people! Does this mean that Obama's reform itself covers illegals? Obviously not. Don't fall prey to the Right's "Obama-doesn't-fix-all-of-our-problems-with-illegals-so-his-bill-should-be-opposed" rhetoric. It's ridiculous.
09/16/09 @ 7:41 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Maverick,

What's your #1 issue with the the reform package as it stands today?

By the way, I'm new to this site. Is what we're doing "back and forth banter" and not allowed here?
09/16/09 @ 8:47 pm
tadthebad [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth, that is a dubious claim. Given that illegal aliens already have access to welfare, you cannot legitimately say the proposed plan would not cover them. Whether that is a stated provision of the bill may be irrelevant.
09/16/09 @ 8:48 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Banned on cc2day is back..

Maverick is correct that the gop is equally culpable for the current demise.
Too bad you lefties can't disavow your allegiance to the dnc, and think for yourselves.
I had been a leftie for years, then shed that deplorable skin and awoke to independence, not political idealogues from either despicable party.
Perhaps the fact that over 50% of Massachusetts voters, is now registered as independent.
might shed some light..
We are united against both parties, over expanding government,shill media allegiance to the government, and laugh at your constant barrage of racism, and Bush, for every criticism of the current gang of thieves, and liars.

Bush is toast, and Obama will be next, along with his current gang..and healthcare by these morons..including the wall street gang,all corrupt government,major media, and the likes of Acorn.

Just watch the election returns next year.and media ratings as well.
Oh, we are all racists then?

possee
09/16/09 @ 8:48 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Objecting to what appears to be the largest spending bill this country has ever seen is now considered racism.... i guess if Hillary was elected we'd be sexists, Joe Liberman....anti-semites, McCain...elderly abusers... when will it end.
09/16/09 @ 8:51 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Since Obama is half-white, can you put me down as half-a-racist? I'd just feel better about myself... thanks Jimmy Carter.
09/16/09 @ 9:05 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
tadthebad,

You're making my point when you say:

"Given that illegal aliens already have access to welfare"

The key word being "already". If you're right, and illegals have access to welfare today, that is not caused by the health care reform bill which can't solve all of the problems of the world.

On a related note: The feds have an elaborate process for checking citizenship for welfare. Illegals don't qualify.
09/16/09 @ 9:06 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
That's not very constructive possee: You just oppose everyone, huh?
09/16/09 @ 9:10 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Sorry Buz, Bush himself had 2 much bigger budget busters than Obama's health care:

1. First term tax breaks (about $1.6 trillion)
2. The Iraq war

And what about the statement "will not add a dime to the deficit" don't you understand? As Obama said in his speech last week: This bill will be funded and budget neutral. He's not going to repeat Bush's budget busting via taxes and Iraq.
09/16/09 @ 9:29 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Absolutely, yes.
I work in a healthcare facility that encompasses professionals from all aspects(race and nationalities included),doctors,nurses, cna's,therapists,hospice,maintanence,kitchen,office,administration and are all from democrat,repub,and independent affiliations and all oppose the current healthcare,current administration,and revile both parties ineffectiveness, corruption,and collusion.
And,by the way,all healthcare workers here legally oppose any free healthcare,and any benefits,to any illegals..cause they paid their way here,legally,don't get any free govt benefits,work doubles constantly to support their families,and are sick of the liberal left, and right,cowtowing to illegals and corpporate/government corruption.
They left their native countries to come here to escape the same corruption they find,alas, here!
Those that think and work,see through the maze of bias, race baiting,and the rest...
They,and myself,laugh constantly at you poltical idealogues and your self serving agendas.
Change,is coming,but not from either party.
See you at the polls.

possee
09/16/09 @ 11:21 pm
David [Member] writes:
To: J.Madden
Dear J., I seem to have offended you by what I said about the Veterans' Administration. My relationship to the VA for the past 47 years has clearly been different than yours. I have had some disabilities due to my service in Korea that the VA not only dismissed but in recent years I was notified that my medical records from Korea have been either 1.) lost or 2.) destroyed in a fire and on and on. My last encounter with the VA was to seek treatment for a hearing loss which began with service in a Heavy Mortar Company in Korea; but the VA decided that since I have made my living as a musician (in spite of my hearing problems) my hearing must be fine. Oh, by the way, it took me one year to get an appointment for a hearing test at the VA Medical Center in Boston. David Rojay
09/17/09 @ 7:14 am
possee [Member] writes:
Dem Senator Warns of 'Big, Big Tax' on Middle Class in Baucus Bill
September 16, 2009 7:45 AM

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/09/dem-senator-warns-of-big-big-tax-on-middle-class-in-baucus-bill.html

So now even some Democrats are racists and liars?
09/17/09 @ 7:36 am
Ned [Member] writes:
Yes! possee we ARE all racists! Visit the Museum of Tolerance and check out the last exhibit. Yes the 'Democrat party' is full of racists and liars. The only possible solution is grassroots community organization. I hope you're doing some of that and not just veranda-sitting. What are these polls of which you speak? Diebold just bought out its only competitor... the fix is in.
09/17/09 @ 8:55 am
possee [Member] writes:
the polls I speak of are the voting polls(booths) at election time..
Time for all voters to get proactive left, right, indi, green, and others.
Meanwhile, expose and get the facts, not bias, on who and what our elected officials are up to.
Commenting here at least helps in expressing, and engaging, diverse points of view rather than being complacent..
or sitting on the veranda of life, with no opinion at all..

thank you

possee
09/17/09 @ 8:59 am
possee [Member] writes:
Ned

Are you inferring that Diebold will automatically skew the votes come election time?
Perhaps abc, cbs, nbc,cnn should monitor them closely especially when fox news runs the world?
Wait, acorn could monitor them with integrity...

possee
09/17/09 @ 9:14 am
Ned [Member] writes:
No the Mainstream Media you mention will not monitor the votes. There was no coverage there of the Kerry-to-Bush flipping in the Diebold machines in '04. 'When' Fox rules there'd be LESS motivation... if there were a Less Than Zero. Acorn is now dead, thanks to the Fox/Breitbart pimpsting. So... ??? I admire your ability to stay on-message, but the message gets us nowhere. When you get off the veranda and get organized, get a blog and tell us what you've DECIDED TO DO.
09/17/09 @ 10:24 am
j. madden [Member] writes:
Hi David, and thanks for explaining the events that soured you on VA Health Care. On July 12, 1973 a fire destroyed 80% of the records held on veterans at the Saint Louis Records Center. I see VA Health Care as an evolving program that continually improves. In my opinion, you have the excellent choice of using Medicare Part A & B for a low cost alternative to the VA. I think these two government run health programs are working beautifully given the complexities of our health system. I enjoyed dinner with old friends last night at the Misaki restaurant in Hyannis and he brought up the subject of VA Health Care. "I don't understand the complaints against the VA. I've had only good experiences at the VA", he said. Oh, I'll send you a link that's an example of a sweeping attack on the VA, I told him. So, I was not "offended" but needed the specifics to get why you would paint the entire VAHC as "a mess". Regarding your bad experience I can only say: sigh, this never should have happened to you".
09/17/09 @ 1:46 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Maverick...What's your #1 issue with the the reform package as it stands today?

My #1 issue against the package is that Richard supports it. I served my country in support of our freedom. If I wanted to support socialism bordering on communism I would have spent the Vietnam period in Canada.
09/17/09 @ 3:15 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
possee,

Thanks for bringing this tax ON INSURANCE COMPANIES to light in this blog. Even though the article that you reference says: "Health economists believe a tax on high-priced benefits could help slow the growth of health costs by making consumers more sensitive to prices."

... this approach should be discussed and debated thoroughly.

What I can't understand is your conclusion:

"So now even some Democrats are racists and liars?"

That's a non sequitur if I ever read one. Can you explain how Baucus's tax on insurance companies leads to that conclusion?
09/17/09 @ 3:20 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Maverick,

Why do you call this reform package socialism?

As you can tell, I'm trying for about the umpteenth time to get a reform opponent to actually say what it is that he/she opposes. I've had very little luck with this so far. I must have asked 25 opponents this question and I've never gotten a substantive response. All opponents seem to know is that if it's from Obama they hate it.

Why does this reform represent socialism? What in the plan is so socialist?
09/17/09 @ 5:00 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Maverick, What's your #1 issue with the the reform package as it stands today?

Many of my fishing friends pay cash as their medical needs arise. They have found it less expensive. And they live a healthy lifestyle. With the new plan:

"The penalty for not buying insurance would be a fine running as high as $3,800 a year for a family that makes more than 300% of the federal poverty level. For families that forgo coverage and make less than that, the fine would be $1,500. The fines for individuals would be, respectively, $950 and $750."

Hello!!!!is anybody home?
09/17/09 @ 6:56 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
One teensy problem with your friends paying cash for health care Maverick: There's no insurance in that approach.

Answer this: What will your friends do if one of them gets cancer? Actually, I'll answer it for you: They'll end up in the hospital running up tens of thousands of dollars of charges that the rest of us will pay for.

What's the source of your quote about the fines? I'd like to learn more about that. I'm not that comfortable with that either.

And by the way congratulations: You may be the 1st reform opponent that I've talked to that has come up with something real to criticize.
09/17/09 @ 7:21 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
dk...will be glad to respond after my #1 issue is answered. Richard has turned this innocent community blog into his own theater to blog socialism. And Walter and Julie let him get away with it. Either they are getting free legal advice or leaning towards Karl.M

No lies here. Just honest thought.
09/17/09 @ 8:23 pm
possee [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
What I can't understand is your conclusion:
"So now even some Democrats are racists and liars?"
That's a non sequitur if I ever read one. Can you explain how Baucus's tax on insurance companies leads to that conclusion?

Answer

A quick response in jest to Jimmah Cahters statement that opposition to Obamas health plan is racist.
Rockefeller, a democrat, is opposed to the current plan, thus a racist!

possee
09/17/09 @ 8:28 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Maverick

Richard has been noticeably absent this last week, perhaps advising Acorn, Van Jones,Emmanuel,writing his memoirs, or at best, digging up old dirt on deceased GOP obstructionists.

Probably all the above.

possee
09/17/09 @ 8:51 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Imagine, a couple of young "journalists" go into an Acorn office and come out with damaging video not once... but several times in the past few weeks.

Tell me, if it was this easy to dig up this kind of corruption by a few kids with video cameras... what do you think goes on at Acorn day in and day out?
09/17/09 @ 10:25 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
What do any of you care what Acorn does?
You didn't give a hoot what Bush and friends were up to....didn't say a word but "they're protecting our freedom." HA! You've lost all credibility to complain now.
Because what is going on now doesn't even come CLOSE to the crimes that were committed by the previous regime....except the policies of Bush that Obama has continued.

You want respect for your "dissent" when all you did was spit at the Bush critics.

No respect til that former crowd is behind bars where they belong. Like Acorn will be since at least the dems go after their wrong-doers.
They are holding hearings about the bribery and corruption in Afghanistan.
Acorn is through, yet Haliburton lives on....and if you don't think Haliburton is guilty of heinous acts, your'e blind.

Just because Bush is out of office does not in the least negate their crimes. Though you would like it to.
"Ah just forget it...they're gone".
Will you say the same for Obama?
And then what? Next! Who's next to break the laws of this country while serving as president?
Are you crazy?
09/17/09 @ 11:56 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Talk about a typical Right wing mountain made of a mole hill. ACORN?

This is a classic example of the vindictive Right latching onto something tiny and magnifying it a thousand fold for angry headlines. Who the heck cares about little ACORN? They got a whopping $3 million (not billion) in federal funding this year.

Of course, the poster child of Right Wing magnification was last week's Obama speech to schools WHICH EVERY PRESIDENT SINCE REAGAN HAS DONE. Talk about creating something out of nothing!

But that's the job of the Right these days: Find hang nails and promote them into mortal wounds. The politics of fear and anger.
09/18/09 @ 12:45 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
dk, if you watched anything other than government run MSNBC, you’d know that when GHW Bush addressed the students at Alice Deal Junior High School, the left took it farther than what everyone is whining about today.

Rep. William Ford ordered the GAO to investigate President Bush's appearance and summoned Lamar Alexander and others to testify before congress.

I find it highly unlikely Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi will do that.

No one cares about Obama addressing the students; it was his now deleted indoctrination they objected to.

And if you need me to connect the dots, General Electric CEO Jeff Immelt was allowed to help write the cap-and-trade bill and GE could stand to profit in the billions, perhaps in a quid pro quo, for being an Obama cheerleader 24/7.
09/18/09 @ 5:44 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"whining"...a typical catch word used to dis-credit someone.

"No one cares about Obama addressing the students"...a woman was shown on tv CRYING about it!!! "My poor son."...talk about "whining".

And sorry...but the quid-pro-quo politics should have been stopped with Cheney and his secret meeting with oil company execs....
But it wasn't. So what do you expect???
You let it slide for one...they ALL do it.
That is why we must do something about the Bush regime and the highly serious wrong-doings they were a part of.....

Or get used to it from now on. And don't ever complain because we let it go un-accounted for.
You all want to get Obama...but what about the original gansters??? The OG's? The PNAC Neo-Con group who've run this place since Reagan?

Don't you get it? Your complaints are hollow.
09/18/09 @ 7:16 am
possee [Member] writes:
Halliburton is a nefarious contractor that had short changed our troops,and continues to work with the present administration with billions of dollars in fraud and waste still not accounted for from the previous gang of thieves.
Acorn, another criminal organization,is slated to receive billions under the stimulus plan.
Perhaps the left and right should question the Obama gang and ask why no criminal proceedings against Halliburton and why, Obama, continues to work with them..?

Eisenhower warned about the corrupt military complex in the 50's, warned they would control the government ,and he was a 4 star general..hmmm.
Acorn has received a mere 53 million and has been prosecuted and indicted in fraud in dozens of states.
Go after all those who receive our tax dollars! and waste it, and are corrupt.

Shake your left and right posturing and demand accountability, and criminal prosecution on all fronts of abuse..

Cheney/Halliburton
Obama/Acorn
A new face/ the same old game.

possee
09/18/09 @ 8:09 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
We would have accountability if more in gvt. would demand it.
Who stood with Kucininch when he was asking for an Inquiry into the Iraq war? One other democratic congressman.
A few people in gvt. are now standing with Ron Paul about auditing the Fed.
But the masses are concerned with birth-certificates, "my healthcare", and whatever else Beck and Limbaugh throw out there.
There are major major treasonous crimes that have committed.
Haliburton and Blackwater are just two of the perpetraitors...there are thousands more!!
We illegally invaded and took over a sovereign nation.
Killed millions of them and thousands of our own.
Can we please start there?????
Or Clinton if you like...selling secrets to China.....
It's all there in black and white, but we keep focusing on the propaganda issues that the poison-droppers lead us to. Like pied pipers leading the children.
Beck and Limbaugh are masters of it...and backed by the same people.
And Obama is a master too...
It's us who must make them accountable..and that MUST start with the serious serious crimes!!!
Not the side-issues that distract.
09/18/09 @ 10:59 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Money is the root of this evil. It starts here:

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/09/18/ny_inquiry_has_boston_business_a_list_in_its_sights/?comments=all

N.Y. inquiry has Boston business A-list in its sights
Cuomo scrutinizing Merrill’s losses, bonuses


Some of the comments are RIGHT ON TARGET. WALLSTREET and those who have enabled a criminal enterprising pack of scumbags who have fleeced American citizens out of everything from affordable credit, loans, jobs, and retirement. When you have so many self-centered morons who cooked the books while still maintaining lavish lifestyles and attitudes before Congress of continued demands of (UNDESERVED) ENTITLEMENT--the day has come when we must toss them in the poor house and take away their toys. I can't stand to read another one of these stories. And I will be surprised if the NY AG or any other AG in this country will hold these bums accountable. Like the comments say..."they have to worry about their re-elections". But I guess maybe those who have been defrauded, if they have enough left, will pick up the political tab.
09/18/09 @ 11:45 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Amen to that!!!

This is a bad bad time in our history....and we need to stand up with the REAL patriots! The ones who want Justice and an end to this money-grubbing control of people's lives and liberty!!!
"You will know them by their fruit"....and
"If you want money for people with minds that hate"...
forget it.

09/18/09 @ 9:46 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
With an estimated population of over 3 million people in the nation, you cite one woman crying, as opposed to a Senate inquiry.

Is that the best you've got?

Now we have Obama canning the missle shield to appease Putin and GE gets a meeting with him. What a shocker.

Did I mention Immelt sits on the Economic Recovery Advisory Board?

Looks like game, set and match for Barry.

Alleged criminal behavior in the Bush Administration should not set the precedent for future administrations.
09/20/09 @ 2:54 am
estherandson [Member] writes:
Republicans have been taken in. They don't think so. Believe so!or want any part of change.
Listening to a Republican, is like going to a doctor. We had a doctor in Evanston, Ill. His name was "Doctor, Doctor."
Doctor Doctor telling his patient he is dying. the Patient says,
"Don't tell me I am dying! I will tell you when I am dying. I don't care what your tests show." "Where is the door! I have been thrown out of better places than this !"
If Republicans can listen to Rush Limbaugh, or this Charles Beck, then they have much to be sorry for.
We have more problems than we know what to do about it. More people and far few solutions.
I will complement Republicans when they get R. Limbaugh out of business. He is now the most likely person to put Republicans out of business. Today he was using an incident about kids on a school bus fighting between white and black kids. So what else is new?
He does absolutely nothing to UNITE OUR COUNTRY. An agitator from the first order.
09/20/09 @ 8:48 am
possee [Member] writes:
estherandson [Member] writes:
Republicans have been taken in. They don't think so.

Same with the Democrats.

You dems and repubs are so enraptured by your respective party crap..meanwhile, they continue to screw all of us as most buy into it..
GOP this and DNC that..it's all a game!
If the dems run the executive, legislative, and judicial branch, then why in the world are they cutting off Acorn funding as exposed by Beck?
Perhaps, it's the truth..
Meanwhile, the left has Obama as their community organizer, and the right has Limbaugh and Beck..
Let the slugfest continue..


possee
09/20/09 @ 8:53 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Norman, First off Happy New Year.

Secondly,the school bus bit was parodying the rampant use of the race card by those vilifying anyone who criticizes the administration, nothing more.

Like Foghorn Leghorn used to explain: "That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son."

Rush is an entertainer and no more vitriolic than Olbermann or Shultz, they are just on different sides of the aisle.

I don't take any of them seriously, seems everyone has an agenda today.

Happy Holidays.
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