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Is our democracy in its final days?

The twilight of the New Deal

By the time I joined the Democratic Party in the early nineteen eighties, the long-term New Deal consensus, in spite of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society initiatives, was badly frayed.

The conservative and racist ideology that had led white southerners to oppose Roosevelt's programs lived on in enough of their political descendants to help Republicans pass Reagan's agenda, turning Johnson's War on Poverty into a War on the Poor. In the twenty-four years from 1968 to 1992, the Democrats suffered defeat after defeat, the presidency of Jimmy Carter, a conservative, southern Democrat, the only interlude. When the Democratic Leadership Council, the corporate wing of the Party, rose to dominance, it sponsored Bill Clinton, who became the DLC's first president.

The most important election statistics, of course, are the ones that tell us who won, but looking at how many people actually voted also reveals vital information. In 1960, 63.1% of voting-age Americans participated in the election that put Kennedy in the Oval Office. By 1984, the turnout was down to 53.1%. The fact that 46.9% of the voting-age population didn't go to the polls meant that Reagan had actually been re-elected by less than a third of the adult population. Drop-off continued. In 1996, it fell to 49%. In 2000, the figures edged up over the fifty percent mark to 51% and to 55.3% in 2004. The 56.8% that was regarded as a stunning figure in the 2008 election looks rather anemic beside the 1960 figure.

In Bowling Alone, Robert D. Putnam, a public policy expert, takes stock of a decline not only in civic participation but also in social activities as well. He writes, "For the first two-thirds of the twentieth century a powerful tide bore Americans into ever deeper engagement in the life of their communities, but a few decades ago - silently, without warning - that tide reversed and we were overtaken by a treacherous rip current. Without at first noticing, we have been pulled apart from one another and from our communities over the last third of the century."

How did this "rip current" affect political activity? Putnam answers, "On the positive side of the ledger, Americans today score about as well on a civics test as our parents and grandparents did, though our self-congratulation should be restrained, since we have on average four more years of formal schooling than they had. Moreover, at election time we are no less likely than they were to talk politics or express interest in the campaign. On the other hand, since the mid-1960s, the weight of the evidence suggests that we Americans, despite the rapid rise in levels of education, have become perhaps 10-15 percent less likely to voice our views publicly by running for office or writing Congress or the local newspaper, 15-20 percent less interested in politics and public affairs, roughly 25 percent less likely to vote, roughly 35 percent less likely to attend public meetings, both partisan and nonpartisan, and roughly 40 percent less engaged in party politics and indeed in political and civic organizations of all sorts. We remain, in short, reasonably well-informed spectators of public affairs (italics mine), but many fewer of us actually partake in the game."

Putnam concluded, "The rise of electronic communications and entertainment is one of the most powerful social trends of the twentieth century. In important respects this revolution has lightened our souls and enlightened our minds, but it has also rendered our leisure more private and passive."

He goes on, "The apotheosis of these trends can be found, most improbably, at the Holiday Bowling Lanes in New London, Connecticut. Mounted above each lane is a giant television screen displaying the evening's TV fare. Even on a full night of league play team members are no longer in lively conversation with one another about the day's events, public and private. Instead each stares silently at the screen while awaiting his or her turn. Even while bowling together, they are watching alone."

A sociological theory more fully explains the political malaise that Putnam uncovered. A phenomenon called "the iron law of oligarchy" fosters a divide that comes about between a political party's leaders and its adherents. According to this law, "once parties move beyond the fluid participatory structures that often accompany their formation, they inevitably become more bureaucratic and more centrally controlled, falling under the domination of a professional leadership. In this process the original goals . . . may also be replaced by more narrowly instrumental goals, including a concern for the maintenance of the organization."

 

It is not hard to make the case that the Democratic Party has fallen victim to the problems described above. Here in Massachusetts, the chairs of local committees are routinely told that their only task is to elect Democrats. Although delegates to both state and national conventions endorse platforms, the real agenda is fashioned in private between legislative leaders and the well-heeled lobbyists of the corporate elite.

Robert Michels, the German sociologist who developed this theory in the early 1900s, named three factors as key to what he believed was an inevitable development for political parties. One is the organization's "need to maintain an effective fighting machine," which eventually "develops its own vested interests and is able to control agenda and communications, manage internal opposition, etc."

He pointed out that a second factor, the characteristics of leaders, played a part, too. "They may be gifted orators, relish the psychic rewards of leadership, come to share the motivations and interests of a wider political elite, and thus tend to cling to power at all costs."

But the third component, the psychological transformation of the core constituency, is the most devastating to democracy: "the rank and file members of political organizations tend to be apathetic, are willing to be led, are readily swayed by mass oratory, and venerate the leadership."

Political parties are not the only groups that succumb to the iron law of oligarchy. As Michels pointed out, unions, too, fall under its sway. Many of us can also see that social movements tend to follow this pattern as well as civic organizations. Over time, the core constituencies in union locals, grassroots groups, and membership organizations become rubber stamps rather than forces that drive the action at the top.

In 1989, looking back over the nineteen eighties, William Winpisinger, retired president of the International Association of Machinists, wrote, "At the top, the Democrats demonstrated how far they had moved to the right by their determination to compete for the same 26 percent of the electorate that the Republicans represent." Winpisinger added, "Someone must speak for the other 74 percent." Clinton signaled whom it was he spoke for when he pushed NAFTA through Congress in 1993.

Now the Party, bankrolled even more by corporate interests, has increasingly ceased to work to fulfill the needs of grassroots America. Led by Barack Obama, Congress bailed out corporate America but left average Americans on their own when it came to dealing with dire financial problems created by Wall Street.

Politics is not a spectator sport. It is not, of course, a sport at all - or a pastime - or a hobby. It is a civic obligation, a responsibility of every citizen in a democracy. In fact, democracy is exercised through politics.

Alienation from the larger world is a dagger straight to the heart of a democratic society. Only a consciousness among all of us that the struggle for power is ongoing can prevent democracy from being stifled and gradually forgotten.

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09/27/09 @ 2:20 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
I love a woman who writes her own HTML~ it's a lost art already...
09/27/09 @ 5:45 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
What I have found in my dealings with the democrats in my life is the idea that big government should be bigger because the "troubles" and problems of society are much larger than anything mere mortals can handle. Let the government take care of it is what I hear more and more. That saddens me in that these people are just becoming the sheep that big Democrat government wants. Less and less are those that strike out on their own to do something for themselves, on their own, independantly without government intervention. More and more I'm seeing everything going by the way of government asstance like the small business administration and other small government run agencies. Sometimes, they are needed to get a start but too often, these agencies are used to continue the dream. Let big government take care of it and you WILL get the government you deserve.
09/27/09 @ 8:58 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Karen: In what ways do you think that people might need government assistance?

Mary
09/27/09 @ 9:12 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Mary
Thank you for writing a poignant piece without the usual demagoguery for the DNC ,or GOP blame game,as usually appears here, especially from a Democrat!
Politics has become a corporate sponsorship and requires those of wealth to participate in local fundraisers and meets of the candidates.
Recent state pundits have required hefty contributions to attend these so called meet the folks events.
Most of us ,of all political persuasions, usually work weekends, or part of, and have little left financially to attend these "common man' political get togethers.
They cowtow to the elite yet address us as if we are important..
that is why so many fail to participate.
With so many at a hardship, why would we pay 50 bucks to meet a multimillionaire running for state office?
Maybe one of the local candidates might get a corporate sponsor and invite us common man/woman gratis to meet them.
How novel..
but then, again..life is but a dream.
The current GOP and DNC just don't get it.at all!
Give me an independent candidate that buys me a beer and a hot dog, and I'll listen.

possee
09/27/09 @ 9:30 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Mary
Interesting comment concerning the war on the poor..my observations point to both parties contributing to the demise of the working class and the poor.
The majority of Americans work for small businesses, yet, the current dnc has passed so much legislation and taxation on small business, that we have such a large unemployment and stagnant employment figures.
The gop rewards business,as does the dnc, but the dnc continues its diatribe of the working mans plight yet taxes the crap out of our employers.
They reward their contributors and big unions, those who don't work, yet make it impossible for those on social services to make the next step to freedom of govt dependence.
At least JFK was a fiscal conservative and asked the poignant question.
Now it's what your govt can do for you..
But who's going to pay for it?

I'm no fan,at all,of either party nor their past history of self serving legislation at our expense.
My question is this, where do we go from here, given the past, present, and forboding future awaiting us?

possee
09/27/09 @ 10:16 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Possee: I agree with your statements about the two parties. I complain on a regular basis about the elected officials up this way who charge too much for their birthday celebrations and other get-togethers, telling them as well as the local town committee that we are not a social club but are supposed to be a political party. The whole system of elections is circular. The candidate who spends the most is the one who wins. The cost of running campaigns has increased by leaps and bounds — ever since Reagan changed the rules about the media having to be fair and give time to both sides. So the appeal to the monied crowd makes a TV campaign possible — and easier. So the corruption takes over everything.

Where do we go from heere? I will be suggesting what we can do in another post.

Thank you for adding your thoughts to this discussion.
Mary
09/27/09 @ 10:20 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
I think people can use government assistance as mentioned, to get them going, to help in dire need but not to abuse "the system" as we constantly see with welfare, child services, small business admin. and other agencies that never let people go. the welfare system was designed to help those that can not help themselves but it seems far too many people these days use it as their lifelong crutch.
09/28/09 @ 5:52 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Do what Michael Moore suggests....get the money out of it!
Publicly financed campaigns, free air-time given for all parties,(after all, they're PUBLIC airwaves, not a private business interest) at a regular time and place.
NO tv ads for your campaign.
AND, let ALL parties participate.
Then you will see real discussion and real choices out there. And they will have to speak to us, not their money overlords.
And hold many many many public meetings which are not orchestrated and controlled.
Plenty of public buildings which can be used and plenty of people will volunteer their time and food even.
Isn't that what the League of Women Voters used to do?
No cost involved....just ideas.
And people will get excited again.
09/28/09 @ 9:39 am
Mary [Member] writes:
karen: I was once an advocate for women on welfare. It is very hard to get off AFDC unless the situation that made you eligible changes.Like your children reach eighteen.
For instance, unemployment benefits cover most middle-income jobs, but not low-income ones. In order to get AFDC for you and your family, you had to spend down any savings that you might have. People who get unemployment benefits do not have to do that — no questions are asked about how much you have invested in the stock market, for instance.
AFDC rules at that time were very stringent. If your child’s grandmother bought him or her a winter jacket you had to report the cost to your caseworker who would then see that it was deducted from your next check.
What happens to your children if you take a job? Usually, there is no childcare available.
Politicians like to scapegoat welfare mothers because there are few people who can refute their untrue remarks. And there is a lot of stigma that we put on people who need this help.
09/28/09 @ 9:43 am
Mary [Member] writes:
bittersweet: What is the first step in achieving those goals? How do we get the money out of it?
09/28/09 @ 10:50 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Mary,

For starters, thank you for the post. I must be thickened in the brain but according to my knowledge, since when has man had true democracy? I see a society that is so filled with inequalities and oppressions. If there never was a beginning how could there possibly be an ending?
09/28/09 @ 11:57 am
Mary [Member] writes:
ana: You raise a valid point. What would constitute a “true democracy?” Probably a lot of disagreement on this. Many people point to the New England Town Meetings as examples of democracy. How would a democracy operate in a larger context? I think that the Scandinavian countries that picked up the pieces after WW II came close to erasing poverty and inequalities. In Sweden, for example, the governing political party leaders would meet with company heads and union presidents (nearly all those employed belonged to a union) to talk about what would be the upcoming agenda for improving people’s lives. Unlike here, the economy operated on behalf of the population. Here people labor to keep the economy running smoothly even when it offers them no rewards.
09/28/09 @ 12:00 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
To understand the social and economic dynamics that bear on the question whether our democracy is in its final days, read Kevin Phillips' 2004 book "American Theocracy." Phillips, author of The Emerging Rebublican Majority in 1969, has a good track record as a political analyst/prognosticator.

In American Theocracy, he draws parallels between the decline of the Dutch and British empires with the present decline of the American empire, based on three fundamental elements: (1) the political entrenchment of a single energy resource; (2) financialization of the economy; and (3) the ascendancy of religion in politics.

Holland had perfected wind and wood as it's economic energy base, England had coal, and the U.S. now clings doggedly to petroleum, while China is stepping ahead with renewable energy technologies. We've seen excess financialization ruin the US economy, putting us deeply in debt to the Chinese and others who now have the edge over us in trade based on superior manufacturing capacity, and we've seen what the religious right has done to tear our society apart.
09/28/09 @ 5:46 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Richard says... " the U.S. now clings doggedly to petroleum"

Cling away baby, large new oil field discovered in Gulf of Mexico.

"we've seen what the religious right has done to tear our society apart."

I must of missed that one Richard, I was led to believe it was the lack of morality, family values, drugs, crime, unwed births and hip hop music were tearing our society apart. (I through the "hip hop" in their for effect... I love Lil Wayne)
09/28/09 @ 5:58 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
New oil? Sure, let's just break out the old calculations and drill away. Heck, why not go one step further into retrograde and drill it ourselves.
09/28/09 @ 6:22 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
I like oil: It's like the best thing ever. Why is oil so amazing?
09/28/09 @ 6:53 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Mary..."Alienation from the larger world is a dagger straight to the heart of a democratic society."

Obama and his crew will attempt to alienate us from democracy and bring socialism bordering on communism to the good old USA.

Trust me that they will not succeed. There are more Americans that are armed and ready to protect the Constitution than the average liberal would ever understand.

Corruption may have brought down other
societies like the Roman Empire but this battle is just ready to begin.

Stay tuned.
09/28/09 @ 7:07 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxIuIxqo2So
09/28/09 @ 7:22 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Clean Elections Campaign Reform

In the U.S. Congress, Sens. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) and Reps. John Larson (D-Conn.) and Walter Jones (R-N.C) have introduced the Fair Elections Now Act which provide full public financing for Senate candidates. A companion bill in the House is also expected soon. Clean Elections is law in seven states and two cities: Arizona; Connecticut; Maine; New Jersey; New Mexico; North Carolina; Vermont; Albuquerque, New Mexico; and Portland, Oregon. Activists in 28 states are working to advance full public financing.

Find out who your state contact is and help us pass Clean Elections where you live.

Peter Vickery
peter@newmassvoters.com
Mass Voters for Clean Elections
www.massvoters.org
09/28/09 @ 7:26 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Liberals understand plenty....they never bought the phony patriotism of your Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condaleeza Rice, George Bush...ETC.

Throw their butts in prison if you really care about America.
You're a day late and a million too short.
09/28/09 @ 7:34 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
I'm still stuck on oil extraction, petrochemical components and experimental prototypes, fertilizers and pesticides etc. Now I need to research this Clean Elections....
09/28/09 @ 8:07 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
bitter...your thought..."Find out who your state contact is and help us pass Clean Elections where you live."

Should I call Acorn? Or the KKK?

Your choice. My dime.
09/28/09 @ 8:11 pm
possee [Member] writes:
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"Liberals understand plenty."...they bought the phony socialism of their Barack Obama,Tim Geithner,Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank,Chris Todd...ETC.

Throw their butts in prison if you really care about America.
You're a day late and 9 trillion too short.

Thank you for clarifying bitter, I filled in the blanks..

possee
09/28/09 @ 8:14 pm
possee [Member] writes:
correction ..Chris Dodd

How are you mav?

Back in the fray, eh?

possee
09/28/09 @ 8:19 pm
possee [Member] writes:
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/mandatory-flu-vaccination-splits-workers-1.1481242?print=true

Check out this current debacle.. forced injections passed by the peoples republic of n.y.
More to come from our mighty state of Masssachusetts..
Gotta love these neo-comms/socialists.
Viva Obama.
Long live the revolution!

possee
09/28/09 @ 8:22 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
possee...am doing well and heading offshore in the AM for five days of giant tuna fishing. Wish you and family the best.

Your thoughts..."Barney Frank"..."Throw their butts in prison"...Barney would love it. And at taxpayers expense no less.
09/28/09 @ 9:01 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Whoa, everybody! I appreciate Richard’s comments which expanded on my article. I might add that the Financialization of our economy was accompanied by excessive speculation.
I am glad to be updated on the status of the effort to get Clean Elections, but I remember that the legislation that created PACs was supposed to address the problem of money in campaigns. It seems that the wealthy will always find a way to insert their will via money.
Some on those on this blog are throwing around a term — socialism — that they clearly don’t know the meaning of. If Obama were a socialist he never would have collected those millions from Wall Street that funded his campaign and then paid them back by gifting them with our tax money. Just for starters.
09/29/09 @ 6:45 am
possee [Member] writes:
Description of socialism - American Heritage® Dictionary
NOUN: 1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

I do understand the meaning of socialism , and do not argue the meaning of as above described.

Mary, Obama has taken money from Wall Street and the above describes exactly our current situation..
Federal Reserve
Banks
Automotive
Financial
Healthcare(proposed)
Pay rates for private industry.

This in only 9 months!
..just like a pregancy..
the birth of a new nation.

possee
09/29/09 @ 7:05 am
possee [Member] writes:
Socialism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potentialities and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public.

Communists in the 1970s and 1980s, instituted various forms of market socialism, combining co-operative and state ownership models with the free market exchange and free price system (but not free prices for the means of production).[6] Social democrats propose selective nationalisation of key national industries in mixed economies, while maintaining private ownership of capital and private business enterprise."

Appears to be the current dogma,policies,actions,and speeches given, of the DNC leaders..no argument there..

possee
09/29/09 @ 7:29 am
r-five [Member] writes:
There was a time when the Democratic Party was "the Party of the Common Man".

[Now just using that phrase is politically incorrect]

Nowadays, however, the Party is largely dominated by the ABA, NEA, various cultural and racial minorities, what's left of the unions, and, as Mary points out, elements of Big Business.

Given its record over the past 40 years, it can hardly claim to be the Party of what could be called "the Ordinary American".

As for the GOP--we all know what that represents...

Despite condemnations and wails of alarm from the present oligarchy, however, there are hopeful signs in Town Halls and Tea Parties across the country.

Ordinary Americans are beginning to realize that Something is Wrong and that "Politics as Usual" isn't going to fix it.

What I think we are going to see over the longterm is the emergence of Third Party politics--following Michels that's the only way the Iron Law of Oligarchy can be broken in these circumstances.

R-Five

09/29/09 @ 10:51 am
Mary [Member] writes:
R-five: The only disagreement that I have with your comments is that the Tea Parties have been orchestrated by Conservative Republicans who are simply seeking to disrupt political meetings.
Possee: Seems to me that you are not correctly applying the definitions of socialism to the actions of Obama and his administration. If Obama were a socialist, as you claim, he would be stumping for single payer health care, for example. But instead he is seeking to give the health insurers more money and power. That is capitalism — profits for the few. In US foreign policy he is advancing the reach of US imperialism, the advanced stage of capitalism.
09/29/09 @ 12:35 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
Mary wrote:
The only disagreement that I have with your comments is that the Tea Parties have been orchestrated by Conservative Republicans who are simply seeking to disrupt political meetings

R-Five:
That may be so--or maybe what we are seeing is the beginnings of a new kind of radical populist movement.

Time will certainly tell...

R-Five
09/29/09 @ 5:42 pm
videopaul [Member] writes:
Sorry... you can't get there from here. Nice piece Mary. I would also add that media reform is necessary as well. People don't realize how big these mouth pieces really are. They're huge conglomerates. Small example of many: GE who owns NBC and tons of other stuff also manufactures weapons. Anyone notice all those beautiful and expensive animations demonstrating high tech weaponry leading up to the war. Liberal media my eye... when it's not selling mindlessness it's pimping anything that pays.
09/29/09 @ 9:22 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
r-five: Radical populist movements can go one of two ways. Hitler’s Brown Shirts were an early element of fascism that aided his rise to power. We can’t be spectators to what is going on here and take a wait and see attitude.

videopaul: Yes, the corporate owned media is a big problem since so many cannot see through their distortions, outright lies, and non-reporting of important events. Even our public broadcasting system has come to look and act as though it were a private medium. Thanks for bringing this up this issue.
09/29/09 @ 10:59 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
Given that nearly all Americans have far more day-to-day contact with the media than with the health care system, some might make the argument that government regulation of media is even more important than government regulation of health care...

R-Five
09/30/09 @ 12:29 am
voiceofreason22 [Member] writes:
We are not a democracy.

We are a republic, big difference.
09/30/09 @ 6:08 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"Perception is reality"...we go around proselytizing Big-D democracy, which we then need to "spread" around the world.
It's our excuse for everything.
And Mary is right. Socialism is just another boogey-man word the right uses to distort reality. To give it their perception.
Because I have been called a Marxist, and I know as much about Marxism as I do nuclear physics.
So, why say something that is patently untrue?
To smear, distort, rile up anger, and lie their way back into power.
And btw....many people are calling this administration Bush III...If so, where were the complaints about Bush's "socialism" back then?
And why are they not lauding Obama as the war president???
Aren't Blackwater/Haliburton/Bechtel thriving?
Isn't that what war is for?

Hey, here's a thought...since they ended public money's for Acorn, why not end public money's for Haliburton, as Ariana Huffington suggested? Since they have been accused of de-frauding the American tax payers.
Equal treatment? Not in a million years. Big Money Rules!=Capitalism, not socialism.




09/30/09 @ 7:12 am
r-five [Member] writes:
According to Marxist doctrine, the clash between the capitalist bourgeosie and the democratic proletariat was supposed to result in a socialistic society, directed by a "dictatorship of the proletariat" that would ultimately evolve into the utopia of true communism.

It didn't work out that way.

Instead the historical dialectic has produced a "managerial society" dominated and directed by a coalition of Big Government, Big Business and (to a lesser extent) Big Labor that has gone global at the expense of the People.

Viewed in this light, the growing anti-government movement is more akin to the "Sons of Liberty" prior to the American Revolution than to the Brownshirts.

These revolutionaries, after all, were responding to the efforts of the British government to expand its power. The Brownshirts on the other hand were fighting for expanded government in the form of totalitarian fascism.

Whether Obama's program is "fascist" or "socialist" is moot--insofar as it is clearly "collectivist" in terms of expanding the power of government in tandem with Big Business
09/30/09 @ 8:05 am
possee [Member] writes:
bitter

1.All political forces require "capitalism" to propel their agenda,(be it a republic,socialist,communist,or dictatorship) while extracting confiscatory taxes from the working class and whatever state demonized businesses suits their needs.
2.While Acorn was a small govt subsidized org. caught defrauding the govt, Halliburton &co, are international conglomerates that dictate world policy and have the luxury to defraud at their leisure.
3.Big money ,under any guise, has always ruled, with every nation since the inception of organized societies.
4.What's before us now, with the shadow govt always in place, is an accelerated agenda of an ever expanding government intrusion to our daily lives.
Call it socialism,capitalism, communism, dictatorship, whatever, it's still over regulation and the constant loss of individualism,and the precepts of our foundation,that separated us from the rest of existing societies.
6.All prior administrations have paved the way for the mess we're in now.Obama is running with it at full speed.
The GOP/DNC are all culpable.

possee
10/01/09 @ 7:07 am
r-five [Member] writes:
Speaking for myself, I find the prospect of the loss/shrinkage of fundamental liberties to be of far greater concern.

R-Five
10/01/09 @ 8:23 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"The GOP/DNC are all culpable."

Then I would like to see as much vitriol directed at the GOP as is directed at the DNC.
As far as I can see, people are pushing the GOP as the "saviors" that will "save" us from the DNC.

AT LEAST Obama gives people without prestige and power a mention.
AT LEAST he mentioned the illegal settlements of Israel.
AT LEAST he mentioned racial profiling and institutional racism that is at the core of power and control.

AND.....he has never called the Republicans America-Haters, Anti-American, never questions their patriotism just because they disagree with him.
And, if the GOP is SO concerned with America, where were they when Kucinich wanted to investigate those crooks in the former administration?????
...calling Kucininch an anti-american traitor, and praising Cheney to high heaven, that's where....
and now we get Liz.

AT LEAST the Dems have Kucinich, Kaptur, Webb and Feingold.....the Repubs have Ron Paul.
All hope is NOT lost!
10/01/09 @ 8:47 am
possee [Member] writes:
You're stuck in a constant replay, rewind of Bush/cheney/GOP derangement.
Please forward the evidence to OBAMA, and maybe he'll prosecute Bush /Cheney.
AT LEAST the Dems have Rangle,Emmanuel,Biden, Reid,Pelosi,Dodd,Barney,Kerry,Boxer.....

Forget the GOP they "got nuthin!".
All hope is NOT lost!
10/01/09 @ 10:07 am
Mary [Member] writes:
Couple of points:
For a few decades now the Republicans have been able to whip the Democrats into line by means of nasty attacks. Dems, in general, think that the public will respond to logical explanations of why something is good or bad. The Repubs go for emotional advocacy. Even when the Dems in Congress were being treated harshly by the Repubs, they couldn’t make it public until the last couple of years of the Bush presidency. Now they have the Dems on the ropes because of fear that Obama will have a major defeat if no healthcare “reform” gets passed this session,leaving Dems vulnerable in the mid-term elections. Straight from the mouth of my member of Congress! The attacks on Obama will be ratcheted up, I believe, after 2010.

Possee speaks of “individualism.” That is a Republican/patriarchal ideal. It used to have the adjective “rugged” attached to it. The idea behind it is that every man should take care of himself. Women take care of themselves by finding a man to look after them. Providing for the common good is an alien concept. Where men bond is in war or simulations of it
10/01/09 @ 10:35 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"You're stuck in a constant replay, rewind of Bush/cheney/GOP derangement."

I'm not stuck. You are "moving on" as if their treasonous behavior never happened.
That, to me, is unpatriotic and un-American.
Whatever happened to "Liberty and Justice for All"?
Gore Vidal:
“One thing I have hated all my life are LIARS and I live in a nation of them. It was not always the case. I don’t demand honour, that can be lies too. I don’t say there was a golden age, but there was an age of general intelligence. We had a watchdog, the media.”

I'm not depending on Obama or the media to do what I want done.
And I'm not expecting any type of Justice for what happened in our own country...we are too brainwashed.
But I'm never letting go of the nightmare that was Bushco as long as they still live and breathe and enjoy their opulent lives.
And I won't just watch quietly while Neo-Con Hell 2 is played out with the daughter.

So sue me!
10/01/09 @ 12:59 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
Mary wrote:
Possee speaks of “individualism.” That is a Republican/patriarchal ideal.

R-Five
Given writers like Ayn Rand, Clare Booth Luce, Freda Utley and so on, the notion that individualism is a "patriarchal" construct seems to be a bit of a stretch...

Grounding all politics in "Identity"--whether it be gender, race, ethnicity, class, religion, or sexual preference might be as destructive to democracy as anything else--to the extent that it might used to weaken the sometimes-fragile consensus that's the necessary for a viable society.

R-Five
10/01/09 @ 9:50 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Why do so many people think that two economic models, capitalism and socialism, must be mutually exclusive? There is no constitutional provision that requires that the U.S. must always operate on a capitalist basis in every sector, nor is there a provision that says no sector of the economy may be socialized. It just isn't in there, folks.

What is in there, in Article II, is Congress' power to regulate commerce and to raise taxes to promote the general welfare of the United States which clearly must include providing for the health of everyone if it means anything.

The corporate elite, however, has a vested interest in sustaining a political and ideological schism between capitalism and socialism and thereby sustaining their stranglehold on the economy. It isn't really a case of socialism being antithetical to capitalism as economic models. It is rather, a case of socialism being antithetical to the corporatist mentality that informed the Bush administration and led to the crash of 2008.

BTW, the Supremes are now thinking of expanding "corporate free speech." So watch out.
10/02/09 @ 7:07 am
r-five [Member] writes:
Actually, Article II gives Congress power to regulate *interstate* commerce.

It was a New Deal-era ruling by the Supreme Court that [theoretically] expanded this regulatory power to virtually all commerce.

While American Big Business talks a good line about "capitalism" and "free enterprise" the fact of the matter, as we have all seen, is that government intervention has bailed out any number of firms and industries, thereby protecting them from the consequences of the operation of the free market, at taxpayer expense.

The argument used by Big Government is that these businesses are "too big to fail" and that "saving" them thereby saves the economy and "promotes the general welfare".

This, of course, is a crock.

Moreover, in many instances, government regulation results, whether intentionally or unintentionally, in the suppression of competition--thereby enabling Big Business to get Bigger.

This is why Big Business pays Big Bucks to lobbysts in order to expand Big Government.

The resulting perks of power & cash accruing to our leaders are no secret.

R-Five
10/02/09 @ 7:32 am
possee [Member] writes:
Richard
It's not the argument over such exact words as socialism vs capitalism, it is, however, what our current system and players(pols and corps)will do with the power vested..
Our present republic is a marriage of all political systems(ie socialism, democracy,capitalism, and even communism)whose difference is the power is vested to the rule of law protecting the citizens from an abusive and all intrusive government.
That, counselor, is the argument that those of us from all sides are against.
Rather than constantly berating each other, perhaps the schills form the GOP and DNC might realize that there is a large populace disgusted with BOTH parties and their ineffectual, self serving march to total control over our lives.
GOP blames the left media, DNC blames Fox,all a ruse .
There are those of us who see beyond the rhetoric of both parties and will affect the only change we are capable of.pulling the lever in 2010 for starters.
You talk of the corporate elite and the GOP,well research how the dnc is in bed with the corporate elite as well.
That's next battle.


possee
10/02/09 @ 9:05 am
r-five [Member] writes:
And, in our present circumstances, government is becoming rapidly more totalitarian insofar as the areas of life exempted from its intrusion/intervention are rapidly shrinking.

R-Five
10/02/09 @ 9:56 am
possee [Member] writes:
Final days?
Perhaps researching the current web buzz over the APF in Hardin,Montana might wake some of you up..
American Police Force?
Hundreds of private international mercenaries patrolling the streets?
Funded from Washington and Blackwater!

possee
10/02/09 @ 10:29 am
Mary [Member] writes:
R-five: Patriarchy is a world-wide system that by definition oppresses women. Its quintessential activity is waging war. Just because a few women take up the notion of individualism being a good thing doesn’t mean that it isn’t an ideal that is projected primarily for men.

I gather from the above arguments that we all feel the capitalist oligarchs have too much power, both in the legislative sphere and the private sector. Where we apparently differ is in what the role of government should be in the lives of ordinary citizens. At least one of us argues it should be little to none. For me, that is an invitation to chaos. We women, for example, still do not have the same protections under the Constitution that men have. How would we fare with no government impetus to defend us?

Whites are going to be a numerical minority in this country in a couple of decades. This seems to be driving much of the animus toward the government.
10/02/09 @ 11:25 am
r-five [Member] writes:
Mary wrote (in part)
Patriarchy is a world-wide system that by definition oppresses women. Its quintessential activity is waging war. Just because a few women take up the notion of individualism being a good thing doesn’t mean that it isn’t an ideal that is projected primarily for men.

R-Five:
In point of fact, however, the ideals of individual liberty enunciated by the Enlightenment have been (and are being)expanded to include women. Indeed, it's impossible to attribute progress toward women's rights to any other philosophy than that of the liberty of the individual.

Mary:
Whites are going to be a numerical minority in this country in a couple of decades. This seems to be driving much of the animus toward the government

R-Five:
I'm not sure I understand you here.

American history has had plenty of instances of anti-government animus. Are you saying that all such are manifestations of latent racism?

If not, why is this the case for the current manifestations of people's resistance to the expansion of State power?

R-Five
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