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A Columbus Day Reflection on Christianity and Corporatism in America

                         A Columbus Day Reflection on Christianity and Corporatism in America

               

               Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."  At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth. Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!" . . . - Mark 10:21-23

               

               There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.  - Acts 4:34-35

 

                Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. . . . . -Jesus, Sermon on the Mount, Matt. 5:43-44

 

                                         Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called children of God.

                                                                       - Jesus, Beatitudes, Matt. 5:9

 

                   We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

                                             - Preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America

               

                  For decades, ever since the so-called "Reagan Revolution" circa 1980, we've heard the hard core right wing bleating constantly about how America is a "Christian nation," which to them means we have to punish gay people for being who they are, teach Creationist nonsense in the public schools as if it were science, force public school students to pray -or at best sit silently through prayer led by a public employee who, during that school time, should be teaching things like math, reading and science. 

              Above all, we must never spend any tax moneys to help the poor and the infirm, but instead must devote vast sums of money to the defense industry to protect the American way of life by developing insanely destructive weapons capable of annihilating the human race and, most recently after the fall of the Soviet empire and "Godless Communism,"  making war against the "evil" Islamic world.  Real Christian American patriots must always have an enemy, an evil bogeyman, in order to prove to themselves, to the world and to God how pious they are.

             The scariest among them are those who believe that Bush's oil wars in the Middle East, in "Babylon,"  are  necessary precursors to the Second Coming of the Messiah.  Some of them have cast Saddam Hussein literally as the anti-Christ, and they eagerly await a full scale conflagration, i.e. Armageddon as predicted in the Book of Revelation.  At that time they, and only they, will be "raptured" up to Heaven, as predicted in the Bible.

             Others on the wingnut religious right define their patriotic American Christianity in terms of reviving the Crusades which, like today's invasions of countries possessing large oil reserves, were more about seizing other peoples' wealth than anything Jesus ever taught, despite all the pious rhetoric about democracy and Christian values.

             In recent times, Columbus has been vilified by some on the left for opening up the Americas for colonial exploitation under the aegis of the Spanish crown.  And he was indeed seeking to find a western route to India for the purpose of opening new avenues for trade in silks, spices and gold.   As every schoolboy knows, that's why Native Americans are still referred to as "Indians" by many whites, and the white man's treatment of the Native American peoples, beginning in Columbus' time, has been driven by anything but Christian values and principles -certainly not those uttered by Jesus in his Sermon on the Mount.

            Columbus was a devout Catholic, however, and his avowed, larger purpose was not simply economic betterment for his patrons, but to also outflank the Islamic peoples that stood between Europe and East Asia, i.e. the followers of  "Mohamet," in order to spread Christianity in the far East.  Today's melding of professed Christian beliefs with rank economic ambition and exploitation of weaker peoples is therefore nothing new.  Nor is the demonization of Islam, the world's other great monotheistic religion that competes both theologically and geo-politically with the Judeo-Christian tradition.   

            In ages past, however, that melding of the state with the church was both direct and explicit in Catholic nations where royal authority was said to be based on a "divine right."  Catholic monarchs like Ferdinand and Isabella, believed themselves to be answerable to God, whose word was made known to them by the Pope in Rome. The Papal imprimatur was the cornerstone for political legitimacy of European monarchs for over a thousand years until the Reformation, and even then it remained so in strictly Catholic nations like Spain.

            It is therefore understandable how, as a man of his time, Columbus might honestly have believed he was doing God's work, first by seeking a western route to India, and then by subjugating the more primitive natives he found in America.  But, today, we are more than two-hundred years into the great social and political experiment we call the United States of America, and given both our revolutionary history and the democratic ideals  embodied in our determinedly secular Constitution, we should know better.

            After the Reformation, the close connection between Christianity and the exercise of colonial power continued in other European nations with Protestant majorities, like Holland and England.  In Holland, there was the Dutch Reformed Church which followed and provided the moral basis for the Dutch mercantile ambitions and exploitation of New World peoples, purchasing the Island of Manhattan for a chest full of shiny baubles, for example, from natives who had no concept of private property.

            In England, Henry VIII replaced the Catholic hierarchy with the hierarchical Church of England, and most of the British colonists who subsequently settled on America's Atlantic seaboard came here for religious reasons, to find freedom to preach and practice Christian doctrines that differed from the Church of England.  The Puritans, forbears of today's Congregationalists, settled in Massachusetts and northern New England. 

            The Baptists, led by Roger Williams, left Massachusetts to escape the rigid theocracy of the Puritan regime and established the area still officially known as Rhode Island and the Providence Plantations.  The Quakers found religious freedom in Pennsylvania, and English Catholics did the same in Maryland. In some colonies, like coastal Virginia, the Church of England followed the colonists as the official church among the landed gentry like Washington.

            Then, in the late Eighteenth Century, a rabble of revolutionaries in the British American colonies, banded together to overthrow the legitimate royal government.  The catalyst was taxation, not the collection of taxes per se, but the fact that the colonists were being taxed without having any representation in Parliament where such issues could be debated. 

              The Boston Tea Party was an act of domestic terrorism, with the armed invasion of ships moored in Boston Harbor and the destruction of valuable cargoes. It was meant to make a political statement, not that taxes were too high, or were being used erroneously, but simply to protest that the colonists were being taxed without having any say in the matter.  They were basically protesting Parliament's highhanded arrogance, an arrogance akin to the GOP's exclusion of Democrats from meaningful Congressional debate under DeLay's leadership during Bush's first six years in office when the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress.

              The American revolutionaries were in many cases nominal Christians, although many of the more prominent ones like Franklin, Jefferson and Washington were Deists who accepted Christ's moral teaching but questioned his divinity,  precursors of today's Unitarian-Universalists.  They were also intellectuals attuned to the most current, and strange, "European ideas" about mankind and society which we refer to as the Enlightenment.  The Americans like Jefferson tended to be "warm Deists" who believed in a benign Creator, while European thinkers were cold Deists who believed in an indifferent Creator, but neither school can be thought of as being doctrinally Christian.

              Because of their belief in Enlightenment principles, such as the individual's right to life, liberty and freedom to choose the path to happiness, the founding fathers who framed the Constitution saw fit to devise a system of checks and balances among three branches of government.  A decade later, under Jefferson's leadership, they added the first ten amendments to the Constitution known as the Bill of Rights.  In the very first sentence of the First Amendment, they provided for both complete religious freedom and the separation of government and religion.  Thus, far from creating a "Christian" nation as the religious right claims today, the framers determinedly established a secular democratic republic based on the primacy of the individual.

            In America today, we don't have a Ferdinand and Isabella seeking to subjugate and exploit other peoples to enrich their coffers, perhaps in a sincere belief that was the way to spread the word of Jesus across the wide world.  Instead, we have corporations, insurance giants like AIG, oil oligopolies like Exxon-Mobil and the vast amorphous financial engine referred to as Wall Street who seek political dominance in America in order to advance their economic interests both in the United States and in worldwide markets through "globalization."   

            We have also witnessed an unprecedented ascendancy of the corporate elite over the past eight years of GOP control of government, an ascendancy that ended in 2008 due in large part to the ideological excesses of the corporate American right opposed to governmental regulation and taxation per se on principle.  But it wasn't that ideology that enabled the GOP to do this, it was the cynical appeal to the religious right on those so-called "values" issues like school prayer, creationism, abortion, gay rights, et cetera, that gave the Republicans the votes needed to win elections at the national level, thus creating an unholy alliance between the corporate elite and Christian fundamentalists, largely from the Southern Baptist Convention, who believe in biblical inerrancy.

           The Southern Baptists separated from the church founded by Roger Williams over the issue of slavery, and they justified slavery based on selective readings from both the Old Testament and the New Testament which referred to it as it was practiced in biblical times.  This schism continued during and after Reconstruction, as the Southern Baptists continued to justify racial segregation through Jim Crow laws. 

            The Southern Baptists have been joined in recent times by other Bible-based Christian sects in the South and Mid-West to create the political phenomenon known as the Bible Belt which today votes heavily Republican because the GOP cynically panders to them on the socially conservative and economically meaningless "values" issues, in order to maintain the corporate elite's political ascendancy as, basically, an oligarchy.

            This was the basis of Nixon's 1968 "Southern Strategy," and it was perfected in 1980 by Ronald Reagan who opened his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where a white mob got away with murdering three civil rights workers who were helping poor blacks register to vote.  There, Reagan expressly avowed his belief in "states rights," which everyone but the scarecrow in the cornfield understood to mean Jim Crow segregation, but he also blended this in with issues important to the American corporate elite such as taxation, welfare and "federal regulation."

           That odd-couple marriage of the corporate elite and the religious right, based on pandering to the most intolerant and ignorant religious and social impulses,  remains the basis of the GOP's popular support, which over the past eight years allowed corporate interests to control both the economy, through regulatory and tax policy, and foreign policy focused chiefly on controlling and exploiting global markets and economic resources worldwide.  The Bush administration's invasion of Iraq, focused on seizing Saddam's oil reserves while Bush himself espoused his messianic "Christian" beliefs, is a clear example of this, and it's enabled by the religious right's highly selective reading of Scripture.

              During slavery and Jim Crow, the Southern churches selected isolated biblical passages which mentioned slavery to support the South's economic dependence on slavery.  Today, they read passages from Matthew and the Book of Revelation to support a Christian "holy war" in the mid-East that serves American corporate interests in an attempt to seize petroleum resources there.  In their "values" driven support of the GOP's corporate base, and its agenda of greed and unrestrained capitalism, the  American religious right simply ignores Jesus' message, as reported by Mark, that a camel may more easily pass through a needle's eye than a rich man, i.e. a person who values money above all else, may pass into Heaven.

             Thus, today, we are saddled with armed conflicts on two fronts, costing thousands of human lives, devouring our tax dollars and increasing our massive trillion dollar debt, all benefiting only the defense contractors and petroleum industry, while the national economy itself is teetering due to the GOP's deregulation of the financial markets and reckless tax cuts for the rich.  Personal bankruptcies and mortgage foreclosures have reached record highs, individual savings and retirement accounts have been wiped out and unemployment is verging on ten percent. 

              Of course, to the diehard GOP ideological media hacks, it's all Obama's fault, or it's all Barney Frank's fault or Nancy Pelosi's fault because, like the Bible, free market capitalist ideology is infallible.  Pay no attention to the man behind the crash of 2008, and its real causes, because like Reagan once said in a Freudian slip,  "facts are stupid things," meaning that they usually contradict the fundamentals of his conservative ideology.

             So, Columbus gets a pass from me, despite his mangling of Jesus' true message to the world, because he was honestly acting as a Christian and a European of his time, serving a monarchy which he sincerely believed was established by divine ordination and was acting as the agent of God here on Earth.  He didn't know any better, and he had no reason to based on the cultural and political norms of his time.  But today's corporatist Republicans have no such excuse for invading other peoples and trying to steal their resources, like the Iraqi oil reserves, while pandering to the religious right on conservative social values to maintain control of the national government.

            Today's Republican faithful thus  not only mangle Jesus' message as did Columbus, but they do so by violating and eroding our secular Constitutional principles, principles based on those strange  European ideas of the Enlightenment, ideas for which our founding fathers risked their lives and fortunes to pass along to us as their social and political posterity.

 

 

  

269 comments
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10/13/09 @ 2:59 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Richard...you are a man of many words without a clue. Your thought "but simply to protest that the colonists were being taxed without having any say in the matter". Deja vu.

Only 3% of the colonists took up arms against the British but they were successful.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/

Middle America will not tolerate this crap for much longer. Latimer is a well educated liberal loser. "not only mangle Jesus' message". You and Wright belong in the same pulpit.
10/13/09 @ 4:28 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Thanks UK..."The Founding Fathers’ intent behind the Second Amendment was to protect us from our own government. A society is easily subjected to a tyrannical government if the people they pretend to represent are stripped of their means to resist. As Suzanna Gratia-Hupp said in her testimony before Congress, “The Second Amendment is about our rights, to protect ourselves from all of you guys (referring to Congress)."
10/13/09 @ 4:39 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Good folks,

I will give you your site back. No more rants. Am done for the day.

My precious "Mittens", a shelter cat just jumped in my lap and said she needed some attention. She is black with white paws. When I picked her up at the shelter her name was "Shadow" and you can't move anywhere in the house without her under foot.

Enjoy the evening.

Jack
10/13/09 @ 6:20 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Nice job Richard! To use some sports metaphors.... you knocked it out of the park, you hit the triple double, you scored one for the gipper (sorry, couldn't resist). And it only took you 2,496 words, 13,136 characters (no, no, I didn't count them myself, I copied and pasted in Word).

If this blog doesn't get you into the "Bloggers Hall of Fame", nothing will. Not only did you open up with some great bible quotes, you missed: Exodus 17:16 He said, "For hands were lifted up to the throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation. You then follow with the Tea Party and the Bush's exclusion of meaningful Congressional debate... not that Obama would want to shove health care down our throat... meaningful debate... not.

But you saved the best for last, you throw in your Jonathan Papelbon saver (damn, wait second... didn't he loose that last game?) the dreaded Philadelphia, Mississippi "States Rights"! How many years have you been using that one? 30 ? When do you put that one away and come in with a fresh arm?

Game over... you're out!
10/13/09 @ 6:23 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Jeezus, Jack

A "liberal loser?" Can't you respond to anything that challenges your right wing ideology without descending to direct ad hominem attacks?

I have two all black shelter cats, Muggs and Tillie, but I don't get my political ideas from them as you seem to do from Mittens -at least judging by the quality of your comments here which really amount to nothing more than "Bad Kitty!"

Rich
10/13/09 @ 8:22 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Buzz
It's no wonder the lawyers(legislators)never read the bills they pass, given this short story.
Imagine the 1000 + page bills.

possee
10/13/09 @ 8:24 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
possee,

And not one mention of "tort" reform... go figure!
10/13/09 @ 9:41 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
"...This was the basis of Nixon's 1968 "Southern Strategy," and it was perfected in 1980 by Ronald Reagan who opened his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where a white mob got away with murdering three civil rights workers who were helping poor blacks register to vote...'

Haven't heard that in a couple of weeks.
10/13/09 @ 10:06 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey,Possee, Buzz, Little Peter, nice of you to drop in. I do wish you'd try once in awhile to actually deal with specific issues based on fact, instead of going off on tangents and parroting the slogans you hear on the right wing rant media.

Now, Buzz, I know you do try to be both relevant and coherent at times, and I give you an A for effort there, even though your work really never shows much in the way of factual accuracy or critical analysis. But this time, you bring up the right wing rant radio shibboleth of tort reform, totally off topic and without any attempt to make sense in context -definitely an F this time.

And Peter, Little Peter, of course you haven't heard about Reagan's Jim Crow states rights speech in a couple of wseeks. You get all your talking points listening to the hacks in the right wing media and they don't like to mention such inconvenient truths as Reagan's phony conservatism based on his blatant appeal to the very worst elements of American society.
10/13/09 @ 10:23 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
It took you long enough to post! Welcome back...
10/13/09 @ 10:44 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Actually I know all about it Richard and how he addressed the Urban League in New You’re the next day, but of course I didn’t hear that from you and your jaundiced commentary .

I also haven't yet heard an explanation on how ten days after Maureen Dowd wrote a column(excuse me, a paragraph in a column) encompassing “…Sons of Confederate Veterans,… the Confederate flag… and the daughter of Strom Thurmond…” and how you boosted her writing, purporting it as your own, remarkably in ONE paragraph.

You sound like a broken record Richard, got anything new?

Face it Richard, take a good look in the mirror, you're a chicken-shit lawyer in a chicken-shit town. Could you promote your practice anymore shamelessly than you have here? If they can't find your office and lose your phone number you have conveniently included your e-mail address, pathetic.

How about throwing Walter a bone and buying an ad?
10/13/09 @ 10:59 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
"Now consider in the case of animals, how we employ the notion of liberty." -About Freedom
10/14/09 @ 12:24 am
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Rich,

I saw "Capitalism, A Love Story" tonight. Not Moore's best. Certainly his least funny in awhile.

You put all of the blame for financial deregulation at the feet of the GOP. There's no doubt that they deserve a lot of criticism (Phil Graham the most). But Moore says that deregulation started under Clinton/Rubin. If he's right, those guys deserve quite a bit of criticism too.

Now this is a first: Me using the repeatedly inaccurate Michael Moore as a source. But something tells me he's right on this one.
10/14/09 @ 5:30 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Did Clinton and Rubin break some laws that we can prosecute them for?
If so, then let's do it!
We have people in office BREAKING THE LAW and we do nothing about it!
Middle class won't take much more?
Some of us had all we can take from the last bunch, who are sipping martini's in the lap of luxury without so much as a slap on the wrist.
Hello. We saw it. All of it!

And how do we know that people, with all their guns, will not confine their rage to "members of Congress", but will turn their guns on fellow citizens who just happen to dis-agree with them?
Some people on the fringe are not dealing with a full deck. Take the killing of doctors and bombing of abortion clinics as an example.
How will you protect non gun-owners from the angry mob?
Just take it on faith that they can control their rage?
Which will have been whipped up to a frenzy by Rush and Glenn?
10/14/09 @ 6:09 am
r-five [Member] writes:
So, Bittersweet, what do you think the Administration should do with these malcontents--the people that Riohard identifies as "the very worst elements of American society"?

R-Five
10/14/09 @ 7:33 am
possee [Member] writes:
r-five,buzz,mav, peter
proud member VWEOAS

bitter, richard..

"What we have here is the failure to communicate"...
and understand a simple fact..
Opinionators such as Beck,Limbaugh actually reflect the sentements of a daily growing "very worst element of American society" who are..
1.Disgusted with the prior so called conservative(actually liberal)Bush and his policies/party who sold us a bill of goods,and the country down the road to hell,with overspending,initial bailouts,amnesty,corruption,corporate cowtowing,and EVER ENCROACHING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT,while turning their backs on America and those who still beleive in the constitution,founding principles and love of country,not government!
2.Outraged,and angry,at a new gang of idiots who continue the degradation of America,bailouts,taxes,corporate cowtowing,accelerated Government,while embracing all neo-comm,neo-marxizt philosophies,embracing all foreign dictators,and now labeling all who oppose them as enemies of the state.(racists,potential terrorists,nazis, etc).
We love our country,not our govt!

War it is!

possee
10/14/09 @ 8:04 am
possee [Member] writes:
Here's an excerpt (in Camille Paglia's column )from a reader's letter(from central America)http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/10/14/teaparty/

I see Obama and his presidency as the crowning of the ideas of that northeastern liberal aristocracy you so much criticize. He appears to me as a cliché of all their pathologies, and yet you seem infatuated with him. You continually praise his speech and demeanor while to me it seems like a mask for his lack of substance. I find him to be a man of an oversized ego, with a messianic complex and a cult-like following, which would not be so scary if he didn't wear the media as his own personal lap dog.

As a person born and raised in Latin America who studies history as a hobby, I can't help but see President Obama as the closest thing we have had in this country to the long line of populist leaders who have been the scourge of Latin America for decades and sent many of us here into exile. He is not a Chavez-like figure who uses vulgarity and threats as a weapon but a more sophisticated version of a young Peron.

Hermes Diaz

Miami

obviously a shill for the GOP..
10/14/09 @ 8:12 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
"Money" a billion here and 3 million there. Where's the magic wand?
10/14/09 @ 8:28 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
“…And how do we know that people, with all their guns, will not confine their rage to "members of Congress", but will turn their guns on fellow citizens who just happen to disagree with them?”

Do you mean like Harlan Drake, arrested for the murder of pro-life activist James Pouillon ? Drake said he was “offended” by his pro-life message.

You and Richard get all your talking points listening to the hacks in the left wing media and they don't like to mention such inconvenient truths as Obama’s solid ties to Bill Ayers through Valarie Jarrett’s family, Acorns voter fraud and misappropriation of funds, Kevin Jennings and the Brewster incident, the Black Panthers voter intimidation last fall and Eric holder’s decision to drop the charges, twenty years of racist sermons by Jeremiah “G-d America” Wright and other stories the ” Anointed One” might find unflattering.

Other than a few conservative outlets all you have is the modern day equivalent of Pravda.

“Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself.” umm, umm, umm Barack Hussein Obama.
10/14/09 @ 8:44 am
possee [Member] writes:
“…And how do we know that people, with all their guns, will not confine their rage to "members of Congress", but will turn their guns on fellow citizens who just happen to disagree with them?”

Waste of ammo..


possee
10/14/09 @ 8:59 am
possee [Member] writes:
"The Pied Piper of Hamelin"

He played the pipe(hope and change) to rid the town of rats(corruption).

The rest is history.

possee
10/14/09 @ 9:36 am
Ned [Member] writes:
Am I remembering that Columbus was sent on his way only a few years after the de-Islamicization of Iberia? Toledo had been a center of metallurgy and of Jewish scholarship under the Moors, then suddenly you couldn't be Jewish in Spain! Inquisition Minds Wanted Not to Know...
10/14/09 @ 11:58 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
Richard,

Sorry to disappoint you, I'm trying so hard for your acceptance. But can you give the Reagan/States Rights argument a rest?

Whatever happened to the classics? "Earth Day 2009" and "Confessions of a Stolen Handgun". Your earlier work was so alive... relevant.
10/14/09 @ 12:50 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
An interesting statement that I read the other day and holds true! "Anything taken to the ultimate point, transforms into its opposite."
10/14/09 @ 12:51 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Oh, Peter, little peter. (Yes, I know about capitalization so it's not a typo). I only resort to ad hominem attacks against those who post here in response to same. Now, this last one of yours is truly pathetic.

You apparently have a problem with small town lawyers -perhaps you've been sued a few times, whatever.

Yes, Reagan did address the Urban League after preaching Jim Crow states rights in Mississippi. Like I said, petey, you aren't very strong on critical analysis. In this post I said that Reagan was advancing a "phony" conservatism, he was just a freaking actor reading lines to advance the corporatist agenda and would say anything to anyone to get votes.

Reagan was a phony who pandered to the racists and the religious right, which is the whole point of my criticism of the corporatist GOP today.

As for Maureen Dowd, I usually read her column and a lot of others as well. Her remarks were not the source of my comments, though brilliant minds do often think alike. This is a blog post, not a scholarly paper, and if I attributed every source it would be unreadably long.
10/14/09 @ 12:58 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, Dave

You and Michael Moore are right about Clinton and his economic policies, which is why I was an Obama supporter against Hillary from the git go.

But Clinton did leave America in the black, Clinton did not start oil wars in the mid-East, Clinton did not bankrupt the middle class, the working class and the poor. Bush Cheney with GOP majorities in Congress did all those things.

No, Clinton just spunked Monica's blue dress so, of course, he must be blamed for everything else as well. I mean let's really be fair and balanced and blame Clinton for what he did, then compare it to what Bush did -4000 American lives lost for nothing, plus a trillion dollars in debt. C'mon, Dave, let's try a little perspective here.
10/14/09 @ 12:58 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
You accuse Rich of quoting talking points of the left but you do the very same thing from the Right. Then you magnify these for political effect.

Bill Ayers: A single living room campaign event and the fact that Ayers and Obama were on a couple of boards together is made a huge issue.

ACORN: The fact that Obama once represented ACORN in a law suit is used to blow this tiny organization (what, $1 million/year of federal funding?) into a huge multi-headed menace.

Kevin Jennings: First, Jennings is an Assistant Deputy Secretary at the U.S. Department of Education. Not the Deputy but an Assistant Deputy. Hardly a high level guy. Second the instance you mention (Brewster) was from the 80s. Boy, you’ve got a very large magnifying glass out here.

Black Panthers: This entailed 3 Panthers intimidating one voting station. I don’t know why Holder dropped this, but it’s hardly earth shaking.

It looks like you just hate Obama so much that you pick through to find anything to criticize and then magnify it beyond reason. Did you use the same fine toothed comb for Bush?
10/14/09 @ 1:03 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Well Rich,

In no way did I mean to imply that Clinton performed down at Bush's level in general. Perhaps no other president has ever been at Bush's level.

But taking one issue at a time, if Clinton/Rubin did set the foundation for the deregulation of Wall Street, they should receive some of the blame there.
10/14/09 @ 1:03 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
possee/ "We love our country,not our govt!"

And when all is said and done, I'm going to tell the world MY STORY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_AQ2kOrst0
10/14/09 @ 1:04 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey, possee

Like you say, Limbaugh, et al. do speak for what I refer to as the very worst and most ignorant elements in American society.

But don't just take my word for it. Bob Irsay, owner of the Colts, has gone public saying that he will not vote in favor of Limbaugh who wants to buy into the NFL with the Cardinals, and he's being backed up by the Commish, Roger Goodell.

These guys are upstanding businessmen, with a multi-million dollar operation and they don't want to go near Limbaugh for the very reason that he speaks for the very worst elements in America, specifically racism as with his little diatribe about black quarterbacks last year.

That, plus Limbaugh is a world class phony, a loser who never played a down of football in his life, and he thinks he can operate an NFL football franchise just because he gets paid millions of dollars for pandering to the very worst elements of American society.
10/14/09 @ 1:06 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
In case no one here knew it 3 Negros were murdered 35 years ago in Philadelphia, Mississippi and Ronald Reagan made a speech in the same town 5 years later.

Richard why not post the entire quote?

"Programs like education and others should be turned back to the states and local communities with the tax sources to fund them. I believe in states' rights. I believe in people doing as much as they can at the community level and the private level."

He also said, “I know, speaking to this crowd, I'm speaking to a crowd that's 90 percent Democrat.”
What thinly veiled code words are contained in that statement?

After addressing “the Urban League, Reagan visited Vernon Jordan in the hospital where he was recovering from gunshot wounds, toured the South Bronx and traveled to Chicago to meet with the editorial boards of Ebony and Jet magazines.” Racist bastard!

Thank God he didn’t make a speech in Rosewood Florida.

Evidently thirty year old news is relevant, when you got nuthin’…
10/14/09 @ 1:12 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey, r-five

The thing to do with the bigots and the religious extremists is simply to ignore them except when they commit criminal acts of terrorism, like Timothy McVeigh and Scott Roerder, and then prosecute them vigorously.

That is to say our leaders should simply marginalize them, instead of pandering to them as the GOP has been doing ever since Nixon's Southern Strategy worked in 1968.

Indeed, the way Rondald Reagan did to start the "Reagan Revolution," choosing to open his 1980 campaign by preaching states rights in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where a white racist mob had gotten away with murdering three civil rights workers less than 15 years earlier. Why do you suppose he chose Philadelphia, Mississippi for that speech, instead of the much larger City of Philadelphia, PA?
10/14/09 @ 1:17 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Jeezus Rich..."he was just a freaking actor reading lines to advance the corporatist agenda and would say anything to anyone to get votes."

Sound like a racist in the White House we know?
10/14/09 @ 1:22 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, Buzz

I'll stop mentioning Reagan's states rights speech as soon as the GOP leadership acknowledges that their claims about "states rights" and the Tenth Amendment are just so much nonsense, the way an honest American conservative like Eisenhower did in 1957, sending federal troops into Little Rock to enforce court-ordered desegregation. Here's what Ike said at the time in response to those Dixiecrats who were bleating about "states rights."

"Our personal opinions about the decision have no bearing on the matter of enforcement; the responsibility and authority of the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution are very clear. Local Federal Courts were instructed by the Supreme Court to issue such orders and decrees as might be necessary to achieve admission to public schools without regard to race-and with all deliberate speed."

So, Buzz, you really should be arguing with Ike about Reagan's "states rights" speech if you're an honest conservative, not me.
10/14/09 @ 1:28 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, dave

Again, I agree that Clinton deserves some blame for financial deregulation which, again, is why I was not a Hillary supporter last year. But it was Bush who systematically dismantled and undermined the entire regulatory apparatus in the name of "free markets" as ideology, as opposed to Clinton's honest but, in hindsight erroneous, trust in limited deregulation as a practical matter.
10/14/09 @ 1:31 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Did I mention 3 Negros were murdered 35 years ago in Philadelphia, Mississippi and Ronald Reagan made a speech in the same town 5 years later?

Just wanted to make sure no one missed it.
10/14/09 @ 1:33 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
It’s amazing how politics has become polarized. People pick a side and then defend it to the death and reason is lost. To put it another way, matter-of-degree is almost never considered.

Let’s take Rush Limbaugh as an example. Even back when I was a loyal Republican I couldn’t listen to Rush for more than 5 minutes because he insulted my intelligence too much. I was amazed at the lengths to which he went to distort the truth.

Of course, whenever one criticizes Rush one always hears “The Left lies too” from his supporters.

I’ve only come across one media outlet that could compare to Limbaugh’s lies and distortions: The original Air America. Those guys (are they still on the air?) were just as bad as Rush. Beyond that, the liberal pundits pale in comparison. Who, with a gun to their head, would equate Matthews, Maddow, NPR, etc. with Limbaugh? Throw in Hannity and Beck and you’ve got a triumvirate of pundits on the Right that dwarf the Left.

No, the Left is not lily white. They do their share of misleading. But nothing like Rush and company.
10/14/09 @ 1:34 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Jeezus Rich..."These guys are upstanding businessmen".

"In January 1984, an unsteady Robert Irsay appeared before the Baltimore media and exclaimed, "This is my Goddamn team!". He reiterated that, despite the problems, the rumors that he was moving the team were untrue.[2] However with negotiations over improvements to Memorial Stadium at an impasse, one of the chambers of the Maryland state legislature passed a law on March 27, 1984 allowing the city of Baltimore to seize the Baltimore Colts under eminent domain, which city and county officials had previously threatened to do. Irsay later claimed the city promised him a new football stadium, something they later denied, citing the team's poor attendance. The next day, Irsay, fearing a dawn raid on the team's Owings Mills headquarters, quickly accepted a deal offered by the city of Indianapolis, Indiana; Indianapolis Mayor William Hudnut then contacted his good friend, John B. Smith, at that time the CEO of the Mayflower Transit Company, and arranged for fifteen trucks to hurriedly pack the team's property and transport it to Indian
10/14/09 @ 1:41 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Um, petey

I "got nuthin'," huh? So now who's "plagiarizing" who? You can't even think up your own putdowns, so you resort to retorting with my taunts like some little brat on the school playground.

Give it a rest, please, because you're only making yourself look like a bigger fool. In case you can't remember back beyond yesterday, it was your guys, Bush, Cheney and the GOP, that nearly bankrupted America as well as got us involved in an intractable war in Afghanistan, and it's unquestionably the case that they were put into a position to do so by pandering to the religious right, all those "Red State" voters in the Bible Belt.

Now before you come back with some more ad hominem carping, try addressing the specific issues.

Did the economy collapse in 2008 on Bush's watch?

Did Bush start wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Does anyone have a clear idea of how to "win" in Afghanistan? How?

What did we actually "win" in Iraq that benefits any Americans other than the defense industry? Exactly how?

I'm waiting for you to give cogent answers, but not holding my breath.
10/14/09 @ 1:41 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth..."But nothing like Rush and company".

Lets take you as an example. You run a close second to Rush. Why second? Because he has courage and charisma on a national stage. How do you know he distorts the truth. Because MSNBC says so? You are a wimp.
10/14/09 @ 1:48 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Jeezus Rich..."Did the economy collapse in 2008 on Bush's watch?"

No! The economy collapsed under the Frank-Dodd watch.

Rich if given the choice would you vote for Barney or Chris?
10/14/09 @ 1:49 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Well Maverick,

Rather than make blanket accusations, why don't you try criticizing something I say? Now, I know that's very challenging for those on the ever-angry Right where anger seems to replace reason. But you should give it a try. Look back at my recent posts and take issue with something I've said by explaining your opposing rationale.

10/14/09 @ 1:54 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Maverick,

You say: "No! The economy collapsed under the Frank-Dodd watch."

In economics, it takes time for actions to have consequences. In macro economics, the lag time is always measured in years. The collapse of 2008 was not the result of policies enacted after the Congress changed hands in 2007. Rather, 2008 was caused by the policies of the previous decade and largely Bush's policies. Clinton is far more culpable than Frank/Dodd.
10/14/09 @ 1:59 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
dk,

Re: talking points, I changed one word in the beginning of one of Dick’s rants

Re: Bill Ayers, connect the dots…Barack Obama----Valarie Bowman Jarrett (BFF) ----- Barbara Taylor Bowman (BFF’s mother) ---- Erikson Institute-----Tom Ayers---Bill Ayers/Bernadine Dorhn

Re: Acorn $800,000 Obama presidential campaign donation

Re: Kevin Jennings take a look @ “One Teacher in 10”, and the GLSEN “fistgate” episode

Re: Black Panthers you’re probably right, just campaigning for the ONE

Nice to see Richard has a cheerleader, everyone needs a friend.
You should go see him live at the town meeting, quite the spectacle he makes of himself.

And no, I don’t hate Obama; I am just genuinely concerned with the direction he wants to take the country in, other than that, I'd gladly have a beer with him.
10/14/09 @ 2:11 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
I hate anyone who lies. And Obama is a liar. End of story.

Both Bush and Obama will be judged by historians. My children and grandchildren do not have time for that verdict.

In the interim the American people deserve the truth. If it is not forthcoming I will guarantee that a lot of people in this country will be hurt.

10/14/09 @ 2:20 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Peter,

You've got one mistake in your last post: Obama didn't donate a dollar to ACORN. Rather, he hired them for a "get out the vote" effort. Now, I guess we can act like that's some window into Obama's soul, but it's not. It's a tiny little thing in a huge campaign.

My overall point is that these anti-Obama talking points add up to small potatoes. If we gave Bush or any other president the same treatment, we'd be able to do the same thing. I could have had a field day listing all of Bush's neocon appointments back in 2000 for instance, but there would have been one difference there: Those appointments turned out to be anything but small potatoes.

If you're worried about where Obama is taking us, you should pay attention to much larger issues. These things are peanuts and they make you look like you're bending way over backward to attack him.
10/14/09 @ 2:23 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Maverick,

I see you managed to avoid discussing the substance of an issue again. Better to use blanket statements like "Obama is a liar". Can you back that statement up with something significant?

Again, I know that it's much easier and more satisfying to just rant and rave.

Why is Obama a liar?
10/14/09 @ 2:37 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
And what are the dynanmics of truth?

10/14/09 @ 2:49 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Pardon me, while I reach for that eraser for really big mistakes and blot that extra n in dynamics before I stir a staggered domino effect.
10/14/09 @ 2:50 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
dk...Peter W already has gone into detail regarding the healthcare charade regarding illegals.

If you need more please visit:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
10/14/09 @ 3:00 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
dk...if you require more please visit:

http://reason.com/archives/2009/09/10/obamas-lies-matter-too

Thanks
10/14/09 @ 3:05 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Ana...Ned must have been asleep at the switch. Or do you receive preferential treatment.

We understand...the Nedster has replaced Maggie here at CCToday as the Lord and Master.

Would all trolls please bow in unison.
10/14/09 @ 3:07 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Rumor has it! Upper left corner.
10/14/09 @ 3:10 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Maverick,

Nothing in that web article comes close to the lies and exaggerations from the Right: Death panels, health insurance for illegals, federal funding of abortions, Obama's bill will outlaw private insurance, rationing for the elderly, government take over of health care (as if it was Single payer), etc.

I'm not going to say that Obama and the Left haven't lied and exaggerated some too. But this gets me back to "matter of degree" again: The lies and exaggerations from the Right dwarf those from the Left. I don't think I've ever seen a more cynical and untruthful campaign in my 30 years of watching politics (unless it was the Right against Health Care in 1994).

The Right is MUCH worse.
10/14/09 @ 3:23 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
dk...I am an independent. Not happy with the Bush years nor the beginning of the Obama years.

I believe all American citizens deserve honest representation. The situation we are in today is the result of dishonest politicians and businessmen.

So if a small minority continue to take target practice so be it. Maybe Paul Revere will ride again.
10/14/09 @ 3:34 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Maverick,

If you're an independent then you're in a good position to view the tactics of the Right and Left unemotionally.

Hasn't the Right unleashed an almost unprecedented flood of serious lies and exaggerations during this Health Care debate? Don't they dwarf the tactics of the Left?

One example: I think that they'd call virtually anything proposed by Obama "socialism".
10/14/09 @ 3:41 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Maverick,
I don't know what your problem is, but don't use me as your punching bag! Got it?
10/14/09 @ 3:59 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
Rich wrote:

Hey R-Five

The thing to do with the bigots and the religious extremists is simply to ignore them

R-Five writes:
For avoidance of doubt, and the preservation of an honest record...I did not mean to imply that you were proposing something be done with these "worst elements". I was asking that question of bittersweet who certainly did seem to be calling for something or other.

Rich continued:
That is to say our leaders should simply marginalize them

R-Five writes:
Part of the reason the GOP has gotten into its present sad state is indeed due to the poor job it's done in policing its ranks.

It would do well in the future to purge itself of such RINOS as McCain, Powell, Huckabee, Snowe, Schwarzenegger and so forth.

But that, unfortunately, does not seem likely at the present time.

R-Five
10/14/09 @ 4:00 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Ana...got what? I have no problem other than a few "know it all's" at CCToday.

I was commenting here concerning issues near and dear to me regarding Cape Cod long before my grammar and ideas started to be critiqued by an a**hole.

If you have a problem with my ideas that's OK. If your suggesting the correction of my grammar is mental hygiene take a hike.

PS...with your "Got It" take a flying F**k on my behalf. Please don't ever suggest what I should do.
10/14/09 @ 4:22 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Hey Dick, It’s called “mockery” not “plagiarizing" and yes your taunts make you sound like some little brat on the school playground.

Are you implying George Bush overrode the Congress of the United States of America and wrote policy that he alone enacted?

When was war declared in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Who has the power to fund the military?

Who writes economic policy and passes it into law?

Why are you asking me about Dubya, is it because you are an “Obama supporter” and won’t admit to buyer’s remorse?

I just want to be clear on what the reasoning behind your line of questioning is counselor before someone objects to it as irrelevant. Bet you hear that one a lot.

I have no “problem with small town lawyers”, it’s just pathetic you can’t afford real advertisement, craigslist is free; perhaps you could expand your client-base there.

I’ve never been sued but if I ever am I can only pray the plaintiff has retained counsel on par with that of which you illustrate.
10/14/09 @ 4:22 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"Did you use the same fine toothed comb for Bush?'
You could use a back-hoe and not miss it!!!
And I really have a hard time believing all these righties who all of a sudden don't like Bush and all of a sudden call themselves independent.
I never heard a bad word against Bush during his presidency from any of them. In fact, they were telling us to stfu.
So all of a sudden they can be independent...after all of the GOP rotten illegal FOUL behavior is coming to light.
How convenient.
And I'm not suggesting anything be done with the fringe-with-guns element of society.
I'm just saying they will most likely kill a lot of innocent by-standers because they haven't got a grip on their sanity.
I mean, if you can hear Tiller the Killer over and over again and *boom* he ends up dead..what do you think Rush and Glenn will do when their control-grip really gets threatened?
I think they will tell their followers to kill the opposition, and even anyone who just thinks they are wrong.
Because after all, Russshhh and Blubber-Boy know it all, right?
The great swamies of swampdome.
Yes master i obey
10/14/09 @ 4:36 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
bittersweet,precisely. "And I'm not suggesting anything be done with the fringe-with-guns element of society.
I'm just saying they will most likely kill a lot of innocent by-standers."
10/14/09 @ 4:41 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Hey Zippy, "Tiller the Killer" was coined by Bill O'Reilly, got it?
10/14/09 @ 4:43 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
And to illustrate the mentality, "It's only target practice."
10/14/09 @ 4:43 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Julie B...Peter and I would like to help Latimer out with a banner ad here at CCToday. Maybe he could replace Cape Wind now that we have found Horseshoe Shoal to be a Native American burial ground.

Enough of the free infomercials. Instead of long diatribes might Rich give us some quick hard hitting clips from his past. Like COPS. Or Law and Order.

But in truth I do enjoy his posts.
They help me sleep like a baby.
10/14/09 @ 5:02 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Ana...enjoyed the images and parable of "The Breaking Up of A Great Kingdom" but do not enjoy left or right wing propaganda. As soon as someone disagrees with the pres. they are right wing fanatics. I refuse to knuckle under to the trash on this site. It is a forum for folks to share opinions. And when I started commenting I was instantly attacked by WB and his friends. All because I opposed the Wind Factory.

bitter...you and I have agreed and disagreed in the past. Let's put the swords down and see where the future leads us.
10/14/09 @ 5:06 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Thank you, Maverick! And I understand that understanding is understandable.
10/14/09 @ 5:21 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
bittersweet wrote (in part):
what do you think Rush and Glenn will do when their control-grip really gets threatened?
I think they will tell their followers to kill the opposition, and even anyone who just thinks they are wrong

R-Five asks:
What actions do you think would "threaten" their "control/grip"

R-Five
10/14/09 @ 5:33 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Rich...hope you had the opportunity to do a little flyfishing this summer. I enjoyed a great charter season and look forward to the future. Personally I like you. But professionally I think you are full of crap.

Obama is a Muslim plant to destroy America. He is like the suicide bomber in Iraq. He will attempt to be the downfall of America while blaming it on anything and everything around him.
10/14/09 @ 6:13 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Hey maverick, you're like a vampire in the right hand column, no image visible.


Recent Comments

* bittersweet wrote (in part): what do you think Rush and Glenn
45 mins ago
* Thank you, Maverick! And I understand that understanding is understandable
59 mins ago
* And to illustrate the mentality, "It's only target practice."
1 hr, 23 mins ago
* Hey Zippy, "Tiller the Killer" was coined by Bill O'Reilly,
1 hr, 24 mins ago
* bittersweet,pr "And I'm not suggesting anything be done with the
1 hr, 29 mins ago

You must really be on the shit list.
10/14/09 @ 6:20 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"Obama is a Muslim plant to destroy America."
Finally! Some honesty.
And I can actually believe that more than the other hog-wash and derogatory things said about him. Because whatever he is, I still say he's a mad genius.
And in the very beginning,when he first came on the scene, a web-site said he was an agent of the British M I6.
I don't believe for a second all the hype about Iran.
And I don't like the policies of Bush he is keeping.
And i don't like how he is kissing the Republicans butt on everything.
BUT, I love how he puts a lesbian in a high position in the military!
I love that he at least says he will end don't ask don't tell.
I love how he puts the banks in their place.
He's tweaking all the old crusty ideas and that is great, and long overdue.
But, all the people I read and admire do not like him.....one says he's a fraud, the other says he's a low-down, snake-eyed liar.
But I can't help it...I like the guy, and I get a positive feeling about the future.
And sometimes the things his administration does is just so right.
He's an enigma to me.
But ok-swords down.
10/14/09 @ 6:24 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"What actions do you think would "threaten" their "control/grip"

Easy...anyone who disagrees with them.

"Hey Zippy, "Tiller the Killer" was coined by Bill O'Reilly, got it?"

Uh yeah...same place, same channell. Fox the radical right-wing mouthpiece.

10/14/09 @ 6:31 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Richard says: Limbaugh is a world class phony..., and he thinks he can operate an NFL football franchise just because he gets paid millions ...for pandering to the very worst elements of American society".


Such an uproar about Rush buying into the "Rams" not the Cardinals. Why do you think not a word was said when rapper Jay Z bought into the New Jersey Nets? Here is just a sampling of his lyrics (I cleaned them up a bit). But this must be a good "element of American society".



You know I - thug em, fu*** em, love em, leave em
Cause I don't fu**in need em
Take em out the hood, keep em lookin good
But I don't fu***in feed em
Heart cold as assassins, I got no passion
I got no patience
And I hate waitin..
Hoe get yo' ass in
10/14/09 @ 6:50 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Buzz...Richard is a loser. Nice guy. Educated. No sense of reality. No sense of honesty.

Just a semblance of a pre-yuppie.
10/14/09 @ 6:53 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Consider the source and his pretzel logic Buzz,

"...a loser who never played a down of football in his life..."

So Richard, what team did Victor Kiam play for, how about Bob Kraft, Wayne Huizenga and Steven Ross?

I'm sure he prefers the likes of Mark Cuban and his ilk.

Could you possibly make "yourself look like a bigger fool" dick?
10/14/09 @ 7:14 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
bittersweet had written (in part):
what do you think Rush and Glenn will do when their control-grip really gets threatened?
I think they will tell their followers to kill the opposition, and even anyone who just thinks they are wrong

R-Five had asked:
What actions do you think would "threaten" their "control/grip"

bittersweet said:
Easy...anyone who disagrees with them.

R-five notes:
What makes you think that?

Why do you think that people who simply disagree with them would constitute a sufficient threat to provoke them to the incitement of violence?

Do you think Limbaugh and Beck are as paranoid as the government?

R-Five
10/14/09 @ 7:15 pm
possee [Member] writes:
What if Michael Moore wanted to buy into an NFL franchise Richard?
Being that he's an extremeist from the left and obviously can not play the game.
Personally, I could care less if Limbaugh buys or not.
Or Michael Moore.
As if this is important to our lives...

possee
10/14/09 @ 7:18 pm
possee [Member] writes:
r-five
Perhaps she is mirroring her feelings towards the right if she was told by Obama to go and kill the opposition.
What a mess.

possee
10/14/09 @ 7:21 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Richard,

It doesn't change your opinion that Commissioner Goodell is married to a FOX News anchor?
10/14/09 @ 7:21 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Peter

Don't egg on the counselor..you might face a slander suit slapped on you.

possee
10/14/09 @ 7:21 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Holy Cow...look at this!:
"(AP) A historian says Benito Mussolini was well paid as a British agent during World War I.
The Guardian newspaper reported Wednesday that Peter Martland of Cambridge University discovered that Mussolini was paid 100 pounds a week by Britain in 1917 - equal to about 6,000 pounds ($9,600) today."
Not so far-fetched is it?
And Jay-Z is offensive, and just an Illuminati stooge. But so is Limbutt:
"I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."
Pompous ass.
"Do you think Limbaugh and Beck are as paranoid as the government?"
I think between them, they have the talent of Captain Kangaroo. And they never have guests on who will debate them,only people who will worship the ground they walk on.
And players would be lucky to have Michael Moore as an owner!
He would always put their rights at the fore-front.
Limbaugh insults them.
10/14/09 @ 7:29 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bitter,

Limbaugh has long refuted that he ever said that. And to this date, no one ever has proven he has. Once again, just distorted facts from you and the left.

Maybe your boy Benjamin Fulford can send his Ninja assassins after him...hows the federal reserve holding up? The dow hit 10,000 today...happy days are here again! Think of the bonuses on Wall Street.
10/14/09 @ 7:31 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
R-Five asked:
"Do you think Limbaugh and Beck are as paranoid as the government?"

bittersweet:
I think between them, they have the talent of Captain Kangaroo. And they never have guests on who will debate them,only people who will worship the ground they walk on.

R-Five:
I am confused.

I had gathered from your other posts that you considered them potentially dangerous to public safety, insofar as incitement to murder is concerned.

R-Five
10/14/09 @ 7:46 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Peter...your thought "Hey maverick, you're like a vampire in the right hand column, no image visible."

It is tough to be so popular at Halloween.
10/14/09 @ 7:53 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"I had gathered from your other posts that you considered them potentially dangerous to public safety, insofar as incitement to murder is concerned."
Absolutely true.
It doesn't take a genius to froth at the mouth.
And buzz...nice try, but i HEARD him say to a black woman caller, "Take the bone out of your nose and call me later".
And then there's this:
"Ok, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."
Sounds just like him, doesn't it?
But here's an interesting idea from Dan Kennedy;
"Accustomed as they are to being beaten every time they say something nice about liberals, too many media figures adopt Republican talking points as soon as – or even before – they've been articulated. Like so many Pavlov's dogs, they have internalised the ritual, dropping into a defensive crouch in order to ward off the abuse they know is coming."
That's what Rush and Beck et all do.They bully people into not supporting anything liberal. As if liberal is a dirty word.They really are as horrible as it gets!
10/14/09 @ 8:06 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bitter,

Are you retracting the comment about "slavery"? And why is it that if I google "limbaugh take the bone out of your nose" comment, the only reference that comes back is to you? Just a little suspicious. And since you think that the republicans are the only nasty ones, try searching a bit for janeane garofalo, bill maher, keith olberman, david letterman, whoopi goldberg, alec baldwin, sean penn et al. All, entertainers just like Rush Limbaugh.
10/14/09 @ 8:13 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Fulford said things would start Oct 7 and the 27,and on through November.....
We aren't there yet.

And assasination is as old as the hills. It's an art-form in case you don't read history.
Why you have a hard time believing it is beyond me.
After all, all the ancient Kings and Queens had food tasters, did they not?
And Fulford says we are living the Old Babylonian Slave-Driver Paradigm.
You know....few at the top living large, the rest in debt up to their eye-balls.
Even American Lore tells it:
"St. Peter don't you call me, cause I can't go. I owe my soul to the company store."

Why don't you ever open your mind a little?
You are going to miss out on a lot of beautiful stuff.
Always with the put downs and derision....and He doesn't deserve it!
Fulford isn't mean and narrow like your hero's.
He's a nice man and an idealist.
We need more of them.
10/14/09 @ 8:21 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"Are you retracting the comment about "slavery"?
No.That sounds like vintage Limbaugh...and yes, I would know.
Google racist rush comments...more than you can deal with.
Olbermann I love.
Bill Maher makes me laugh. The rest I don't know much about what they have said.
I only know there is no respect for the president of the united states from people who are always lauding themselves for the great americans they are.
10/14/09 @ 8:23 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
WB, Julie and Maggie...is there any way to insert a truth meter on this blog?

You have provided a wonderful medium for the discourse of ideas.

But the users have resorted to typical Yuppie warfare. Lie, distort, enhance or say whatever will accomplish the objective.
10/14/09 @ 8:32 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bitter,

I wonder about the sanity of anyone that believes a thing Benjamin Fulford has to say.... by the way, none of his predicaments have come true.

How about the alien attached to his spine?
10/14/09 @ 8:35 pm
possee [Member] writes:
maverick
Fact check should do the trick
10/14/09 @ 8:39 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Buzz [Member]
In response to: A Columbus Day Reflection on Christianity and Corporatism in America
bitter,

I wonder about the sanity of anyone that believes a thing Barack Hussein Obama has to say.... by the way, all of his predicaments have come true.

How about the Ayers attached to his spine?

Sorry Buzz, couldn't resist.

possee
10/14/09 @ 8:53 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
"Olbermann I love."

Well, now that we know who one of his viewers is, anyone have any idea who the other one is?
10/14/09 @ 8:55 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Peter

The rest of the listening audience from Air America, and the viewing audience from Hardball..thrill up yer leg?
10/14/09 @ 8:59 pm
possee [Member] writes:
bittersweet [Member] writes:


I only know there is no respect for the president of the united states from people who are always lauding themselves for the great americans they are.'

correct.

The Presidency has fallen from grace and deserves little respect.
Respect is earned, not given.
President, premier,king, or dictator.
They are only people.

possee
10/15/09 @ 5:42 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
EXACTLY!!!
Which is why the Bush/Cheney regime should be prosecuted for their crimes.

But, of course, none of you neo-cons will ever even acknowledge that they committed any crimes.
But, of course, they're criminal behavior was OBVIOUS to anyone over the age of 7.

Still waiting for some guts and glory on going after those creeps.

And this thought just came to me.....
If Obama is a Muslim plant sent to destroy America....(um,hello, isn't that like a "conspiracy"?)
But, if he's a muslim plant, why does he favor Israel?
10/15/09 @ 5:45 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
And yes, Olberman finally spoke up to the vicious haranguing from Fox, gave as good as he got.

Love his special comments...always right on the money.
Meanwhile, the drama queen Blubber-Boy is tugging at the hate-strings of all your hearts.

*SOB* oh *SOB* oh the pppaaaiiinnnn. hahahaha
what a GOOB!
10/15/09 @ 7:36 am
possee [Member] writes:
Obama
"Lobbyists.. their days of setting the the Agenda are over.
They will not work in my White House!"

Despite Pledge to Limit Role, Lobbyists Still a Presence in Obama White House
Despite President Obama’s pledge to restrict former lobbyists in the White House, several are set to play key roles in his administration. The National Journal is reporting fourteen of the 112 White House staffers that Obama has named had been registered as lobbyists at some point since 2005. [includes rush transcript]

January 2007 and June 2009, Max Baucus, the chair of the powerful Senate Finance Committee, collected contributions from thirty-seven outside lobbyists representing the pharmaceutical industry’s chief trade association, PhRMA, as well as thirty-six lobbyists who listed drug maker Amgen as their client. In all, eleven major health and insurance firms had their contributions to Baucus boosted through extra donations from ten or more of their outside lobbyists.

http://i1.democracynow.org/2009/1/30/despite_pledge_to_limit_role_lobbyists

possee
10/15/09 @ 7:53 am
possee [Member] writes:
Geithner aides made millions on Wall Street
By Tom Braithwaite in Washington

Published: October 14 2009 20:49 | Last updated: October 14 2009 20:49

Obama administration officials now working on fixing and regulating the financial system were beneficiaries of several million dollars in pay from Wall Street and private equity companies, it has been revealed.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f012c4b2-b8f6-11de-98ee-00144feab49a.html

possee
10/15/09 @ 8:39 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
William Black, former bank regulator:
Read the transcript of Democracy Now for today's show.
Bush administration refused offered FBI agents to investigate white collar crime, when the most aggregious white collar crimes were being committed.
When you deregulate, you de-criminalize.

FBI found that 80% of mortgage crisis is due to the lenders, not the people buying homes.

Top bankers not paying taxes in 3 years.

****Start at the beginning possee.
Don't come in NOW and act all outraged, when it all began under Bush.
You want hold people accountable?
Start with the instigators.

Blue Dogs racking up unprecedented political contributions!
Very attractive to lobbyist...like say Health industry lobbyist?

Nothing ever changes...it's the obstructionists to blame, not the progressives.
10/15/09 @ 10:18 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Actually possee, slander is spoken while libel is written.

If I understand the law correctly, Richard could say I attacked his professional character but he would then have to prove that it was false and defamatory, that it was conveyed with malice and that it resulted in damage to his professional standing.

I’m sure he could (and most likely will) chime in with specific chapter and verse (MYERS vs. BOSTON MAGAZINE) in addition to telling me I “got nuthin’“ and a short diatribe about Ronald Reagan’s racism. Would this be considered egging on the counselor?

I will leave it up to the reader to determine if Horace Rumpole has engaged in any conduct that adversely reflects on his fitness to practice law. (plagiarism, behavior unbecoming of an officer of the court, or just being generally boorish).

Perception is everything.

"Not everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts." Albert Einstein
10/15/09 @ 12:04 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Maverick,

You say: "Obama is a Muslim plant to destroy America."

Hmmm... what country or organization planted him? What evidence do you have? Assuming that you have no evidence, why do you say things like this? You just make them up don't you?

Could it be that you just hate Obama to the marrow of your bones?

I know, that's enough to justify saying just about anything negative about Obama isn't it?

I'll stand corrected on that if you provide some evidence on Obama being a Muslim plant.
10/15/09 @ 12:58 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
dk...I was very disappointed with the Bush/Cheney performance. And felt a lot of the vitriol directed at them was fair but some wasn't. Then I watched a liberal media vilify Palin before she had an opportunity. I am not a big fan but felt she deserved a fair chance. Not to get blindsided so that she would come out of the gate lame.

Now along comes Obama and Biden. No matter the gaffe it is OK with the media.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I will sit back and see how this all plays out. History will be the judge.

It's a double standard. OK for the left to hate Bush but Obama is off limits.
10/15/09 @ 1:03 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
he should have run as "Barry O'Bama," and just hid behind Joe Biden whenever a camera was taken out.
10/15/09 @ 5:08 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Peter, you ignorant twit.

If you knew anything at all about Philadelphia, Mississippi, you'd know that it wasn't simply "three negroes" being murdered.

In the first place, only Chaney was black, Goodman and Scwherner were Jewish -not quite as bad for the bigots who murdered them, only Chaney was beaten severely before being shot dead, sustaining two broken arms. Given your tolerance Reagan's pandering to that bunch of bigots I'd guess it doesn't make that much difference to you either, "Negroes" or Jews, whatever, right?

It wasn't just the Klan, though, it was a joint effort with the Neshoba County sheriffs office who first arrested the three civil rights workers on bogus charges, denied them a call to a lawyer, and then delivered them to the Klan mob who murdered them.

That was "state" action, by the way, as in the "states rights" Reagan professed to believe in so strongly. You, too, huh?
10/15/09 @ 5:13 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, Maverick

"Upstanding" is a relative term, especially in today's deregulated business climate that fosters the likes of Kenny Boy Lay, Jeff Skilling, Bernie Madoff, with an upper echelon of corporate executives who feel entitled to bonuses paid with taxpayer bailout money after they drove the economy into the ground which necessitated those bonuses.

By comparison to those guys, who are legion in corporate America, Irsay is a moral paragon.
10/15/09 @ 5:25 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, Buzz

You got me on the Cardinals thing. Of course, I started following NFL football circa 1958 when I began playing for Lawrence High School in Falmouth. Played all four years and started at fullback in '61.

In those days, the New York football Giants were our team here in New England, and Charlie Connerly was the quarterback, then Y.A. Tittle. So, I slip up once in awhile on team names, like I still refer to the Colts as Baltimore every so often. Now that's a real BFD, isn't it?

Your referral to Jay Z buying into the NBA is typical right wing obfuscation. First, I was talking about the NFL, not the NBA, and second I never said anything about Jay Z because that would be wholly off-topic.

I only mentioned Limbaugh and the NFL because possee said that he spoke for many respectable Americans and the response he's gotten from NFL owners indicates otherwise.

Let's try to keep things focussed, huh?
10/15/09 @ 5:40 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Richard...as you know I like you and we share mutual interests. But we are at different ends of the political spectrum.

Maybe someday we will meet, say hello, and share ideas. I could live and survive on this planet with no government whatsoever. But I realize some need a little more help. And I have no problem with that.

But the course we are on will be detrimental to my children and grandchildren. I and others will go down shooting before we allow a marxist to ruin this country.
10/15/09 @ 5:40 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hi Richard,

"....in today's deregulated business climate that fosters the likes of Kenny Boy Lay, Jeff Skilling, Bernie Madoff, with an upper echelon of corporate executives who feel entitled to bonuses paid with taxpayer bailout money after they drove the economy into the ground which necessitated those bonuses".

Especially when we find out that most of the money made, was from millions of fraudulent mortgage loans, later stored in off-shore accounts, totaling over $100 billion.

I just got back from the state house & provide a brief testimony to the members of house of rep's who are in the process of deciding on various bills to help protect the homeowner & tenants during what one described as, "a pandemic of foreclosures", estimated 687 are filed daily. Your very own Cleon Turner was there to represent his constituents, & a homeowner from S. Dennis. The room was filled to capacity with homeowners, tenants, lawyers, community advocates and other interested parties.


I wonder if you currently represent some of Cape's homeowners in their struggles to prevent foreclosure?

10/15/09 @ 5:46 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey, Petey

You remind me a lot of Tex Cobb. Remember him trying to box with Ali, how he kept coming getting all bloody without even landing a punch, but he never quit. That's like you trying to lay a glove on me here.

As for Bob Kraft, he played lightweight football for Columbia. The Ivies have a lesser known league for small players and Kraft played at that level.

Also, both Kraft who I admire and Kyam who I didn't like as an owner, are both astute businessmen who know how to run an organization. Limbaugh is just a fat windbag who couldn't even run his own personal life.

BTW, you apparently know how to read a case and are familiar with the law of defamation, as in your reference to Myers. So why can't I find Peter Walker listed in Lawyer's Diary? Retired? Disbarred? Or are you just another chicken "stuff" blowhard who doesn't even have the cojones to use his real name on a site like this?
10/15/09 @ 5:58 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, Crusader

No, I have not practiced in the area of landlord tenant law since I worked for Legal Services in 1975, and I have never practiced real estate law. Bruce Bierhans who blogs on this site as Cape Cod Barrister does a lot of work representing mortgagors in trouble, as you probably know.

My practice is focussed on general litigation, including a lot of work representing disabled people against the insurance industry weasels who are in business only to collect premiums on group ERISA policies rather than paying claims.
10/15/09 @ 6:00 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, all

Thanks for joining me on this post, but I'm done with it. I'll be putting something else up in a day or so, but I won't be checking back on this one. Just letting you know that ahead of time so you won't think I'm avoiding you. Thanks.
10/15/09 @ 6:01 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Sarah Palin deserved what she got.
That first night, when she accepted the nomination, she was really great. Wow. Here's someone fresh and interesting!
Then, the next day, she tore into Obama and the Dems like a pariah.
Same old same old. Just another politician in a dress.
She likes to dish it our plenty, but she can't take it.
Same with some of you.
When you have an opinion, you call it your opinion....but other's opinions you call lies.
What is that?
That's the problem with the right these days.The same things you and your favored politicians have always been guilty of, you now see as some kind of world-class sin.
How soon you all forget.
It wasn't that long ago that registering a complaint against the gvt. got you labeled a traitor/don't like it leave.
Guess you all are the only ones allowed to criticize freely,huh?
My favorite was this: Cuba is only 90 miles from Florida. To which I say, Dubai is where all the tighties congregate.
Shall I book the ticket, or does Cheney have your back?
And no one ever threatened to overthrow Bush, though we would have been much better off.
10/15/09 @ 6:04 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Oh, good for you crusader!!!
It's ridiculous when a home and food and warmth are considered a luxury.
You work hard and get screwed....is that the new American Dream?
10/15/09 @ 6:32 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Correction: In case no one here knew it 9 Negros and 2 Jewish men were murdered 35 years ago in Philadelphia, Mississippi and Ronald Reagan made a speech in the same town 5 years later.

I was going to reply to Richard but he seems to have turned tail and runaway.

Not that anyone but Richard gives a rats ass, I'm not in the directory because I'm not a lawyer, I don't even play one on TV or on c c today for that matter.
10/15/09 @ 6:34 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
Richard wrote (in part):
That was "state" action, by the way, as in the "states rights" Reagan professed to believe in so strongly

R-Five asks:
As president, what "state rights" legislation did Reagan promote that was racially discriminatory in either intent or effect?

As president, did Reagan attempt to "roll-back" any civil-rights legislation implemented by his predecessors?

R-Five
10/15/09 @ 6:42 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hi bitter,

Others stressed urgency & how it has negatively impacted communities. Some of the effects already felt: homeless families, increase in crime, vandalism, abandoned properties, signs w/red circle crossed for fire dept.: "Just let it burn". Spoke w/NECN news crew who videotaped interviews. I asked, "Hey guys, when can the general public become fully aware of this PANDEMIC we now have before us"? Testimony of many illegal foreclosures sweeping the nation w/bad deeds that can't be traced to the lender who holds the note due to massive reselling of loans, some paid $100 billion for the loans,do not have adequate paperwork to acquire these properties. Bills include: eviction protection for tenants, required mediation, judicial foreclosures, moratorium. A map indicating 30% increase in distressed units: Nantucket, MVineyard, Sandwich, Chatham, Brewster, Orleans, Eastham, Ptown. 10/08-07/09. (foreclosure filed or bank owned) So where the hell is the news on this?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8zKtcKCaG8&feature=PlayList&p=66343172F7B4A7D0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=9
10/15/09 @ 6:51 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Once again, as with the people willing to take other people's jobs at lower pay, I hear people saying "Now is a good time to buy! Dirt cheap!"
NO! You are profitting from someone else's misery!

And for all who say Obama is a marxist...watch this. But fair warning, you won't like it.
"What do Socialists think of Obama? You might be surprised that they really, really want nothing to do with his agenda. Before you criticize me, at least look at my source and see if I'm wrong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch"
10/15/09 @ 6:53 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
crusader...next time there is a tea-party, go there with a sign.
Make people pay attention.
I will be there with mine: "Prosecute Bush/Cheney".
10/15/09 @ 7:09 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
I have absolutely no memory of Tex Cobb going into the ring with Muhammad Ali.

I do remember Larry Holmes handing him his ass after 15 rounds.

But being an ignorant twit, what do I know?
10/15/09 @ 7:15 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Rich...sorry to see you leave so soon. We barely got to know you.

bitter..."I will be there with mine: "Prosecute Bush/Cheney"."

And I will be there with mine:"prosecute Frank/Dodd."

10/15/09 @ 7:32 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,

You are too funny. If holding signs to protest the previous adm. & their obvious collusion to defraud homeowners would have an impact, I'm sure there would be thousands lined up. I provided a slightly heated testimony, w/ the clear facts of the UNTAXED hundreds of billions massed by lenders to off-shore accounts, enabled by so called prestigious universities which I have recently become unemployed, as a compounding issue to secure a permanent loan. I also expressed in my role, I was able to see how endowments had been lost, by universities investment managers playing an important role in the fraudulent loans,I am a constituent of Congressman Capuano & he was only one of a few who spoke out against the lenders who have created this monumental disaster they refuse to clean up. It's not just the minorities, middle class, or elderly--it's all of us together who have been defrauded. I came here today, not only to speak for myself, but for the many who are unable to express what happened to them, & others who can't be here today, so please pass these bills before you".
10/15/09 @ 7:48 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,

Newshour with Jim Lehrer: IRS commissioner, states people are turning themselves in of their untaxed slushfunds--70 different countries involved.. They name (USBancorp) as just one that has been involved in a thorough investigation. Well, it's about freakin' time. We shall see if this is just more BS to appease us, but may be the only way to restabilize this economy. Get the Billions Back! Who are the real losers now?

10/15/09 @ 8:26 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Maverick,

So what you perceive to be unfair media treatment justifies you saying that Obama is a Muslim plant without evidence?

Not in my book.
10/15/09 @ 8:40 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Richard,

I still refer to the Colts as the "Baltimore Colts. Where's Johnny Unitas when you need him?

I think it's fair to bring Jay Z into the conversation. Not a peep about his reputation when buying into a professional sports team... why is that? Do we as a society except his behavior... or just do we just turn a cheek?
10/15/09 @ 8:47 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
"Prosecute Bush/Cheney".... "Free CM" Get your moneys worth.
10/15/09 @ 8:54 pm
possee [Member] writes:
http://usaguns.net/patriots
mav, buzz,r-five, peter
Go to Thurdsday link/clip and watch.
Anita Dunn ..White House Spokes person her favorite inspiration is Mao Tse Tung whom she looks to all the time..June 2009

And they say we are wrong about the Marxists in the White House.

possee
10/15/09 @ 9:21 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
I don't think it is bs crusader....I saw two hedge-fund managers being arrested yesterday on the news. I think the game might really be up.
The political arena is more conducive to it now.
Because the FBI offered in 2001, and the regime said no thanks.
In fact, John Conyers had to hold hearings about Gulf-War Syndrome in the basement next to the janitor's closet because the regime wouldn't let them have a hearing room!

Say what you will, it is soooo nice to actually be looking into these crimes rather than supporting them!!!

Kucinich-"The question is not what you are doing for work, but who are you working for"!
And Marcy Kaptur from Ohio is great!
"How did this happen in the United States of America?"

Ahhhhh. Doing the people's business for a change.
And let the chips fall where they may.
10/15/09 @ 9:36 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
possee,

Pretty scary stuff, even the liberal bloggers are scratching their heads.

"...but the two people I turns to most..."

When do we take his advice and “Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself.” umm, umm, umm.

r-five , Richard won’t answer you , when his non-sense backs him into a corner he runs away like the coward that he is.

Notice the developing pattern?

“I'm not even gonna try to respond to any specific post…”

“…but I won't be checking back on this one.”

You can run Dickey but you can't hide.
10/15/09 @ 9:45 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
possee,

So, in hindsight, do you judge Bush by the neocons that he surrounded himself with? Those guys were in seriously senior posts: Secretary of Defense, all the Under Secretaries of Defense, United Nations, etc.

My memory may fail, but I don't think that there's anyone higher than assistant Deputy of a cabinet department or White House adviser that you Obama haters are complaining about. Perhaps I'm wrong. But they're not nearly as high as Bush's neocons.

More small potatoes from the Obama haters.
10/15/09 @ 9:49 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey bitter,

Don't know if you are watching but the White House is celebrating with the Latino Community...Fiesta Latina..almost over, (PBS-NH)but sure it will be on again...I've been watching, great sound. I do take breaks from all the static, this is just one of many. We all need to chill out.

Where is that fly swatter? I hear a fly do you?

He'll be hiding under a rock if the truth ever does come out.
10/15/09 @ 10:01 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Crusader,

What truth are you referring to (from which Obama will be hiding under rock)?
10/15/09 @ 10:17 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Good news, bitter. I hope they keep the long of line of prosecutions coming. Hedge funds have been another avenue to fuel the lending schemes. Over 30 different org. working to help homeowners attended the hearing. A reporter from CNN contacted me weeks ago, shared that lenders continue to be in major trouble with investors. Estimated by Nov., many more will be forced to close up shop. I would encourage Cape families get in touch with Delahunt's office & their state representative. Contact foreclosure prevention agencies in the area, or call Boston agencies for referrals. The AG's Office should be able to direct them. If there is an agency advocating on their behalf, they have a better chance. Lenders have done everything in their power to AVOID modifications. Maybe there will be a breaking point now that so many see where the real problem exists-BANKS. Fraud persists: Agencies claiming to assist the homeowner in foreclosure. They will ask for up to 10k to alter the original deed with another family member as originator. Also, threats of deportation if they don't comply with scams.
10/15/09 @ 10:25 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
Prosecute Bush/Cheney".... "Free CM" Get your moneys worth.

:)
10/15/09 @ 10:26 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Yes a bothersome fly swimming around the same river in Egypt!
And no dk, they never judge Bush by the same yardstick they do Obama.
And they give themselves tons of leeway that they deny to the rest of us lowlies.
THEY are patriotic...WE are un-American.
We had to shut up or leave.
THEY can bring guns to rallies where the president is speaking.
They think it's fine to threaten death.
We would have been arrested for less.
In fact, look at this:
"The case of an Indian student jailed in the U.S. more than three years ago, is being seen as a major test of America's human rights.
A jury found Vikram Buddhi guilty of posting online threats against the former U.S. President George W. Bush."
Imagine that!
Didn't they just take down an online poll that was asking who thought Obama should be killed?
I didn't hear of any arrests.
And "I will be there with mine:"prosecute Frank/Dodd."
Somehow, I think you will be much more welcome maverick.
10/15/09 @ 10:31 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
dk,

HA!..no, I was referring to that annoying pest..Buzzzzzzz! Not Obama. Buzz has a lot to learn about the judicial system. Interesting that Martha C. is finally pulling all punches at the lenders. Could it be the fact she is in the race for Teddy's seat? Where has she been in the last 5 years? I'm happy that she is fighting back, but this mess has created a tidal wave of destruction to many communities. The volcano has finally erupted: loss of tax revenues, lost businesses, defaulted commercial loans are next, schools are overwhelmed by having to enroll new displaced students, land banks need expansion since Boston cannot meet the needs of Worcester and other counties. Everyday there must be a legal rep. to be in landcourt, added expences: gas, tolls, parking in Boston, time away from their offices. It's a domino effect for things we never would consider, not to mention the overwhelmed members of rep. who now have to review these bills and continue to hear from community banking rep's. who also have their own issues. I took notes on everyone who spoke out, but there was too much.
10/15/09 @ 10:34 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
I think they will crusader....if Obama's tone means anything.
Say what you will, the stuff is getting handled!
And those blue-dogs are in for a rude awakening too.
They weren't elected to be republicans!
And Lieberman?
He's a republican already.
And they will handle that senator who used his office to cover-up his affair without the moral judgements of the right.
dare to hope. cautiously optimistic. But so glad the
Bushies are outta there!!!

10/15/09 @ 10:52 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
"9 Negros and 2 Jewish men were murdered 35 years ago"
10/15/09 @ 10:58 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Who governs? Heard and ignored....Welcome to 2009!
10/15/09 @ 11:01 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
I also addressed to rep's: 3 month mod. unclear,encouraged by the AG's office to sign, regardless of uncertainty. Waited weeks for mod. to arrive, kept telling the agency, "it's in the mail"..got it via email from the agency. I had 5 days: 16 pgs. to read, sign, incl. all docs, tax returns, pay stubs, leases, etc. Did this already in March! This was suppose to be a perm. not trial loan! They asked it be returned by Labor Day. I sent it FedEx ($60) to ensure delivery. Finally cashed the check when it was due weeks ago. They are still very disorganized, even with the modification process. Read this:

"Meanwhile, foreclosures continue to rise with each month's report of new job layoffs and each new wave of adj-rate mortgages resetting to higher payments. Foreclosure filings are on a pace to hit about 3.5 million this year, up from more up from more than 2.3 mil. Govt officials can't say how many people have been turned down because of a typo, lost fax or an oversight by a poorly trained bank employee..Treasury Dept acknowledges that far too many applicants have wrongly been rejected".
10/15/09 @ 11:13 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Here's the entire story:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jArdxJGt2Nil3N152fz0jiv28MmAD9BBLPKG0

These lenders need to be kept to the flames until they correct the mess THEY created. Not only have they forced millions into the streets with their continued fraud, but they will not lend to new buyers who qualify, and they won't create a smooth transition for those who DO qualify for a modest loan payment. At 5% -6%, they still make huge profits, but they over extended themselves to the point they are STILL HEMORRHAGING in the RED, so they think they can spin this one more time and get other banks to buy up these properties for a significant loss? ($150-200k off the loan) Not allow the homeowner to modify, but allow another entity to scoop up these properties? More gentrification, ethnic cleansing? Addressed to rep's today--Do you know what the lender refers to an empty home, free of tenants so the new owner can start fresh? "Is the house clean or unclean". And there is no class/race descrimination here? Lock them up and throw away the KEYS! Lots of sad stories today.
10/16/09 @ 12:15 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Plenty of race/class discrimination.
Just heard that Dick Durbin offered a bill to deal with the crack/powder cocaine inequity.
For 23 years it's been going on. 5 grams of crack get you same sentence as 500 grams of powder! Black men are 6 times more imprisoned than whites. And who introduced crack cocaine into the cities? Oliver North and the CIA for Reagan's Iran/Contra "war"! This is a known fact. A reporter was murdered for trying to expose it. Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury News.
23 frigging years. And it must have been that McCullough/Mccullum? from Florida who was pushing it.
I swear, every day the dems do something that is just so right.
All this HELL we've been living through. It makes me want to scream.
10/16/09 @ 12:18 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
For you, bittersweet....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LunF700EyZM
10/16/09 @ 7:56 am
possee [Member] writes:
dk
I did not vote for Bush,nor did I vote for OB.
I prefer real fiscal conservatives,who protect,and understand,the constitution, Bill of Rights, over neo-cons and our new neo-comms.

Bush was a liberal repub who layed the groundwork for our present fiscal demise.Globalization,overspending,nation rebuilding, etc.

The current gang has unleashed so much havoc that must be heeded.
They bailout Wall Street, promise change and deliver the same littany with a marxist agenda.
The constant Bush drum beating solves nothing,like constant berating of Clinton during the bush years..water under the bridge!..and nothing achieved.
The gop spent 8 years of ruination and blaming clinton.
What we have now is a new boss,same game,globalization,accelerating war, new contracts to the Cheney Halliburton and Blackwater,and embracing the philosophies of Mao, Chavez,Castro..that's not my interpretation of what America should be!
I will continue opposing and vilifying any pol who continues an accelerated path to disaster, and surrounds himself with self avowed Marxists and socialists.


posse
10/16/09 @ 8:12 am
possee [Member] writes:
Peter

The biggest fallacy is the lemmings who buy into the propaganda of left/right demagoguery, refuse to look objectively at each party and candidate, then spend their precious time defending the respective failed policies of both parties.
We Americans have been sold a bill of goods by ALL!
Nation rebuilding,global currency, global law,global finance,global govt is the agenda at our expense..loss of soveriegnty,loss of basic rights, deliberate destruction of our economy, homes, jobs, all for concentrated power and money.
Bush, Clinton, Bush sr,Obama are all complicit.
But, to embrace third world dictators philsophies is beyond the pale for me.

possee
10/16/09 @ 8:55 am
possee [Member] writes:
bitter
You are correct, but the consequential evidence is buried.

Bush Sr was CIA director,set up Noreiega as a puppet dictator in Panama,who got a cut on CIA planes refueling in Panama,on their return to the US(from south america) loaded with cocaine.
Once elected President, Sr'1st order of business was invasion of Panama to dethrone and apprehend Noreiega..hmmm.
Never to be proven,documented,nor prosecuted.
Clinton was equally involved during his Governor reign in Arkansas..check it out.
It's all about the money,bitter, and control over all of us..dems, repubs are all in it.
Vietnam was a secret drug war that got out of control,just like Afghanistan is now.
Control over the flow of cocaine and now heroin.
Iraq was the control over the flow of oil..Kosevo was the strategic pipeline for all oil in Eastern Europe..once again, money and power and control.
Money,oil, drugs, it's all a ruse perpetrated on the world.

possee
10/16/09 @ 9:05 am
possee [Member] writes:
bitter

Ever wonder, connect the dots, how 2 diametrically opposed Presidents, Bush sr and Clinton, are now best buddies?
Ever wonder why the dollar is collapsing, China holds our debt, and Obama is now romancing China/Russia and showing them our nuclear weapons?
Think about it..

possee
10/16/09 @ 11:25 am
r-five [Member] writes:
Clinton's not the only one Bush's romancing...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20091016/us_time/08599193067300

There will be no solution to our present crises until a third force arises in American politics that is committed to the good of the American people and the Nation--as opposed to the corrupt commitment of both major parties to Big Government, Big Business and the New World Order.

R-Five
10/16/09 @ 11:49 am
Ned [Member] writes:
Bush Sr. wrote the Afghan Taliban a check for 41mil 'protection money' to ensure a safe pipeline from where? Uzbekistan? to the Indian Ocean? I don't think the pipeline ever got finished but with the money bin Laden hired Mohammed Atta and the 18 other fellas to pull off the Theorized Conspiracy we call 9-11... Blowback or Political Theatre? Welcome to the 21st century...
10/16/09 @ 2:19 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
I'd be grateful for a citation showing how Bush Sr.'s money got from the Taliban to al-qaeda...

al-qaeda wasn't in Afghanistan till Clinton's term, and the Taliban is not known for its largesse.

Thanks in advance,

R-Five
10/16/09 @ 2:40 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
EXCELLENT scream Ana! And exactly the right emotion.
And I once ran across a really great article pretty much putting all the havoc at HW's feet.
And if you read TranceFormation of America, you will know why I hate Cheney.
And yes, I know at the top levels they are all dirty..or they wouldn't be there!
But I see a lot of peon Dems that I like. Kucinich, Kaptur,Weiner, Webb, and Feingold.
And there were some who voted against the UnPatriot Act:
The ``no'' votes came from Jim Jeffords, I-Vt., and Feingold, Byrd and seven other Senate Democrats: Daniel Akaka of Hawaii, Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico, Tom Harkin of Iowa, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Carl Levin of Michigan, Patty Murray of Washington and Ron Wyden of Oregon.
So, I'm not willing to throw them all out as rotten f's.
And i also Like Darryl Issa republican.
A third party would be good, but how in the world can people ever come together in this country?
There are too many hot-button issues.
If only we leave the personal/private issues out of it!
But that means a lot of CHANGE.
Because as soon as you bring up abortion, all else dies
10/16/09 @ 3:08 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
If I could;
"Mind control is the most important issue facing humanity today as all other issues, causes, and choices are contingent upon free thought. We all formulate our thoughts, opinions, and actions based on what we know, and you Need-to-Know that your knowledge base is being deliberately altered through the suppression of pertinent information."--Cathy O'Brien
***
Fox News, "should really change its motto 'We report, you decide' to 'We brainwash, you decide.'"
--Larry Klayman, Judicial Watch


10/16/09 @ 5:08 pm
jee [Member] writes:
Peter Walker.........Negros? Really? Not just once but repeatedly? Wow, do you have a quota to meet to be a dick or do you just enjoy it?
10/16/09 @ 5:28 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
"9 Black men and 2 Jewish men were murdered 35 years ago"

Is everyone happy now?
10/16/09 @ 6:27 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Gee jee, did I offend your sensitivities? Am I a dick? Depends on your definition of what a dick represents.
If you mean racist, then no. If you mean I don’t give a rat’s ass about being politically correct, then yes.

Want to whine to someone, how about the United Negro College Fund or maybe The National Council of Negro Women. We were discussing 1964 in Mississippi and the term seemed germane. Would you prefer I used schvartze? Both words mean “black”, one is in Spanish and the other is in Yiddish.

Are you proposing everyone of Spanish descent is a racist?
10/16/09 @ 7:02 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
jee...your comment... jee [Member]
In response to: What are YOUR pet peeves?
Oh and I forgot....All the friggin shelves in K-Mart stocked with the Portuguese or Spanish side facing out. WTF is that? Yet if I were to start choking the employees, it's suddenly a hate crime, go figure.

Hmmmm!!!
10/16/09 @ 7:21 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Seems to allude to the possible perception of intolerance, although far be it from me to suggest it, for it wouldn’t fall under the PC umbrella.

On the other hand mav, jee’s a frickin' grammer Nazi.

“Ok, getting past your atrociously constructed sentence…”
10/16/09 @ 8:21 pm
possee [Member] writes:
jee whiz mav

possee
10/16/09 @ 8:30 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Mind control is used for the purpose of domestication such as stealing life.
10/16/09 @ 8:49 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Wall Street wake-up call: Hedge fund boss, 5 others charged in $25M-plus insider trading case..

Raj Rajaratnam, a portfolio manager for Galleon Group, a hedge fund with up to $7 billion in assets under management, was accused of conspiring with others to use insider information to trade securities in several publicly traded companies,including Google Inc.

Rajaratnam,52,was ranked No.559 by Forbes magazine this year among the world's wealthiest billionaires,with a $1.3 billion net worth.
According to the Federal Election Commission,he is a generous contributor to Democratic candidates and causes. The FEC said he made over $87,000 in contributions to President Barack Obama's campaign,the Democratic National Committee and various campaigns on behalf of Hillary Rodham Clinton, U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer and New Jersey U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez in the past five years.The Center for Responsive Politics, a watchdog group, said he has given a total of $118,000 since 2004 -- all but one contribution, for $5,000,to Democrats.
huh?
I thought this was a transparent administration.
10/16/09 @ 9:00 pm
possee [Member] writes:
crusader
Here you go...
When are they going to expose the fraud here in Mass?

U.S. charges 41 in suspected mortgage fraud scheme
By Edith Honan Edith Honan – Thu Oct 15, 4:00 pm ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) – U.S. authorities charged 41 people in a suspected mortgage fraud scheme that cheated lenders out of more than $64 million on more than 100 New York state properties, prosecutors said on Thursday.

Thirty-one suspects were arrested or had surrendered in New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio and North Carolina in a round-up dubbed Operation Bad Deeds. Charges in the eight separate criminal cases include conspiracy, wire fraud and bank fraud.

Prosecutors allege the suspects perpetrated an array of scams including one that targeted people on the verge of losing their homes, tricking them into giving up equity in their homes with false promises that the properties would be saved.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091015/us_nm/us_usa_crime_mortgage_4

possee
10/16/09 @ 9:25 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
dk,
“If you're worried about where Obama is taking us, you should pay attention to much larger issues.”

Is this large enough?

“What is $1.42 trillion? It's more than the total national debt for the first 200 years of the Republic, more than the entire economy of India, almost as much as Canada's, and more than $4,700 for every man, woman and child in the United States. It's the federal budget deficit for 2009, more than three times the most red ink ever amassed in a single year.”
Martin Crutsinger Associated Press

And yes, Dubya should be judge by the company he keeps, but more so by his actions, everyone should be. If he has broken the law, prosecute him, no skin off my ass.
10/17/09 @ 1:46 am
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

A family member called to complain about the $20k that was contributed by our armed forces to the Kennedy's? Is that right? Boy was he steamed, admitted that he voted for a couple of democrats in the past, but will always vote republican. He's blood, so I listen, plus he's older. He owned a construction co. for many years in Mass. We both agree that the two parties are a bunch of freeloading rats, but I still contend the dem's are the lesser of two evils. Maybe it really is a toss up. I don't ever see the rep's doing anything for the poor or middle class, only their Ivy League corp. war dogs. It looks as though the stories are finally pouring out about the gangsters on Wallstreet. Good, about time.

So, Mav & Buzz have been damaged by the Catholic nuns--well, that explains it. Go repent your sins you two, & if you don't have any to repent, then go make some up so you can ask for forgiveness anyway. It's the Catholic way, dontcha know. Pour on that guilt, sprinkled with a good dose of melancholy, shame & wash those sins clean! Catholic schools teach by humiliation. NO MORE!
10/17/09 @ 1:54 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey possee,

When are we ever going to have that steak? I read your previous comments. My family members served in the armed forces, a few in govt. positions, as we discussed earlier...one was on the grassy knoll.."my man in mexico", still have to read that one.

Well, I think it's about time we all meet at the dinner table, face to face. Let's not play games this time, okay? We are either in or out. And no food fights! No spies welcomed, either.
10/17/09 @ 2:08 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey Mav,

I'm addressing this to you since I think you above all will appreciate it the most:

I had a bad dream several nights ago. In this dream, I drove to an island from the mainland. The towns people looked like old time fisherman, one had a captain's hat on, white hair and smoking a pipe. A crowd gathered around my truck. There was a man in the car with me, think it was my ex-husband. He was being his usual cantankerous self. But was afraid of the men and hid in the backseat. I was driving. Anyway, we kept driving around the island and couldn't find what we were looking for, came back to the same crowd. They started to scream and said we couldn't stay there unless we had a beach sticker. So we left, but the road leading to the mainland was underwater! We had nowhere to go but back to the angry natives! I woke up laughing the whole day. Just had to share. Yes, the place has left a lasting impression. But I like to come onto the blogs to join in with my pals, even when we don't always agree. Believe it or not, these days, it's helping me get through. gn
10/17/09 @ 5:03 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"If he has broken the law, prosecute him, no skin off my ass."

IF??
IF??

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3776750618788792499#

Watch this and see IF you think IF anymore!
And the beginning is a lot of re-hashed information, but watch it through to the end.
If you don't want them prosecuted after that, you are no American.
Oh and btw, you also give Obama the right to do anydamn thing he wants. In your name. Just as the neo-cons over Bush have done.

Your call.
Put an end to it when we KNOW, or forever hold your peace.
10/17/09 @ 5:09 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
And possee...did you ever wonder why these arrests are happening now?
Do you think this looting just started?
No. it's happening because the Obama administration is allowing it to happen.
And all these hearings on TARP, the bail-out,etc are happening because the dems are in charge.
Give a little credit where credit is due.

Bush administration never did. In fact, they were given the green-light by them.
10/17/09 @ 7:00 am
possee [Member] writes:
bitter

Are the New Democrats Just a Wall Street Protection Racket?
http://www.openleft.com/diary/11960/
Chris Bowers treasurer of BlogPac,a fellow at the Commonweal Institute,on the advisory board of The Democratic Strategist.
Mike Lux. named to the Obama-Biden Transition Team.
"Ideologically speaking,the New Democrats are closely aligned with 1990's Clintonian policies,and the Democratic Leadership Council. Generally speaking,it is a corporatist group that is left-wing on cultural issues.Of any ideological group in either major political party,the New Democrats were consistently the staunchest supporters of the Wall Street bailout."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/business/14schumer.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&hp
A Champion of Wall Street Reaps Benefits
Mr. Schumer,a member of the Banking and Finance Committees,repeatedly took other steps to protect industry players from government oversight and tougher rules,a review of his record shows.He has embraced the industry’s free-market,deregulatory agenda more than any other Democrat in Congress..now blamed for contributing to the financial crisis.
10/17/09 @ 7:40 am
possee [Member] writes:
World Socialist Web Site

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/oct2007/hedg-o10.shtml
Democrats bow to Wall Street,saving tax break for billionaires

Obama's Wall Street cabinet
by Tom Eley and Barry Grey

Lawrence Summers,Obama’s top economic adviser.
Summers pocketed $5 million as a managing director of D.E. Shaw,one of the biggest hedge funds in the world, and another $2.7 million for speeches delivered to Wall Street firms that have received government bailout money.

Michael Froman, deputy national security adviser for international economic affairs..
worked for Citigroup and received more than $7.4 million from the bank from January of 2008 until he entered the Obama administration this year. This included a $2.25 million year-end bonus handed him this past January, within weeks of his joining the Obama administration.
Citigroup has thus far been the beneficiary of $45 billion in cash and over $300 billion in government guarantees of its bad debts.
Louis Caldera,director of the White House Military Office, made $227,155 last year from IndyMac Bancorp.
10/17/09 @ 7:51 am
possee [Member] writes:
wsws.org - 2009-04-06

However, there has traditionally been an effort to demonstrate a degree of independence from Wall Street in the selection of cabinet officials and high-ranking presidential aides, often through the appointment of figures from academia or the public sector. In previous decades, moreover, representatives of the corporate elite were more likely to come from industry than from finance.
These are the deeply reactionary political and class interests that are represented by the Obama administration.

Friday’s financial disclosures further expose the bankruptcy of American democracy. Elections have no real effect on government policy, which is determined by the interests of the financial aristocracy that dominates both political parties. The working class can fight for its own interests—for jobs, decent living standards, health care,education,housing and an end to war—only through a break with the two parties of American capitalism and the development of a mass, independent socialist movement.

Even the socialists are upset.

possee
10/17/09 @ 8:33 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru says: "Pour on that guilt, sprinkled with a good dose of melancholy, shame & wash those sins clean!"

Good point cru, it also taught about being responsible for ones own actions.... and of course, the 11th commandment... "thou shall not blame everyone else for your mistakes" Apparently you never went to St Mary's.
10/17/09 @ 9:19 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Mr. Rose, former tax commissioner, hired by HMS, was just one of the whistle blowers who reported this to Congress of the massive ($100+bil) untaxed, offshore slush funds stashed away for personal use by all in collusion to defraud the taxpayers/homeowners w/obvious ponzie schemes that poisoned Wallstreet-"But to Steven M. Rose, then a tax director for Harvard Management Company, the deceptive financial reporting & pervasive ethical deficiencies he says he witnessed there were far from benign. And while the University commissioned an investigation into the issues he raised, he says he quickly reached the point where he felt his concerns had been brushed aside. “Would there be totally legal & proper things that an investment company with a Cayman subsidiary would be doing? There could be. Could there be illegal [things]? Definitely. Are there some things in between? Yes.”

"...he sent a four-page memo to then-University President Lawrence H. Summers outlining his concerns, causing the University to hire an external legal counsel"


http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=527831

10/17/09 @ 9:26 am
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

"According to tax filings for the year ending in 2007, the most recent one available, Harvard maintains investments in various FOREIGN ENTITIES—including several that had been listed in previous filings as Cayman Islands companies. HARVARD HAS CEASED TO LIST SPECIFIC LOCATIONS of its related companies in the most recent tax filings". (!!!!!!)

"When asked about these companies’ current locations, University spokesman John D. Longbrake declined to comment. He also would not elaborate on whether Harvard continues to have special reduced-fee arrangements with external investment managers, writing only in an e-mailed statement that Rose’s complaints were “the subject of a thorough review by an external expert” that ultimately concluded they were “without merit.”

"But Rose was not alone in voicing such concerns. A 2004 New York Times article raised questions about HMC’s advantageous relationships with firms run by former employees, and quoted then-Chief Executive Jack R. Meyer as saying the special agreements had yielded $125 million in savings for the University". OUTRAGEOUS
10/17/09 @ 9:38 am
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

Harvard once boasted a $53 bil. dollar endowment. Ha! That's the one the IRS knew about. What about the slush funds stored in other parts of the world? How do you think our economy collapsed? When billions of UNTAXED dollars have harbored in off-shore accounts & for how many yrs? Where do you think all these evil financial wizards get their economic bootcamp training? HARVARD BUSINESS MANAGEMENT, where else? When I read that article in the Crimson, I was shocked. First, that it was printed in the very own university where this took place (written by a student), then of the shear magnitude of their collusion--Universities, Corporations, Politicians, Banksters, & their Lawyers. It's all there as plain as day. But because all these entities are so powerful they can't be spoken about. Whoever dares to be a whistle blower-beware, your life may too unravel. I worry for Mr. Rose & another manager from that office who spoke out to outside investigative committees. It was reported that the manager sued HMS later, think it was for wrongful termination. Confidentiality aggreements! HA!
10/17/09 @ 9:51 am
possee [Member] writes:
crusader

Careful what you dare to expose, otherwise you might suffer the fate of many predecessors.

Remember that DC is full of Harvard,Yale grads,all in collusion with wall street, international banking,military contractors et al.
My prior comments posted reveal that ,despite their so called transparency, the current gang at the OB white house is no different ,nor better,than the prior Bush Cheney gang..
perhaps worse..since so many are inebriated by the toxic chemical of government dependence, and, enraptured by the promise of change.yeah right!

That steak is sounding better..medrare/rare.

possee
10/17/09 @ 10:01 am
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

My feeling's exactly. If we can't get either side to deal with these large scale issues: WALLSTREET FRAUD, Healthcare, Employment, Housing--the only thing left is to dissolve both parties and form a new government. The only question is--HOW?

As I indicated to the rep's at the statehouse, I think my message was pretty clear: "How can I feel good about this? I'm working for the very people who created this mortgage crisis, and now I continue to deal with this nightmare of possibly losing my home to these CORPORATE CRIMINALS". And the worst part of all--some people I worked with actually feel bad for this scum. But I'm sure it's sympathy for the Devil--that they got caught! I hope the IRS forces them to pay it all back and then they can start to lose their own homes--LARGE EXPANSIVE TROPHY homes, all bought and paid for by the blood, sweat and tears of millions who just got their quality of life ripped from their guts. I sat and watched in horror as homeowners told their stories of how the lenders are terrorizing their lives. They are the ruination of this nation!
10/17/09 @ 10:13 am
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

medium/rare it is...more rare than medium. In order to beat the blood sucking vampires at their own game--one must learn to think like one, maybe even eat like one. This fight is not over and I plan to push until the very end, possee. There are millions who have lost their retirement on Wallstreet, like Mav, myself and others we know. Lot's of businesses owned by millions of men and women around this nation who also poured a ton into their campaigns. If they want to alienate all of us--fine. They may just find that they too will be left alone when this is over. Friends today can and will be enemies tomorrow. When Harvard's ugliest are done cashing out, why will they need our politicians anymore? Do you have any idea how much Google is worth? They can build their own country by now, already have, you just can't see it, but I assure you--it's there. Was it an accident they decide to scan for the Chinese? I never saw so much backstabbing in all my life than in politics. The working class don't forget who their friends are and they more importantly do not forget their enemies.
10/17/09 @ 10:22 am
possee [Member] writes:
crusader
It's quite amazing how what I was told over forty years ago is now becoming, and exposed, a reality.
I included some links, which require some indepth reading, but, peruse through and segueway to today..go figure..ehh?

John Coleman was a MI6 operative for years, not a conspiracy theorist with mere ..conjectures

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/johncolemancommof300order14mar05.shtml

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/omegafile30.htm

As previuosly stated, these articles confirm some points made to me regarding globalism,new world order, and new technologies geared for dominance against the world's citizenry.

possee
10/17/09 @ 10:35 am
possee [Member] writes:
crusder
As you've seen, I do not subscribe to any party and read intently from all political perspectives.
That being said, most of us from all sides have a common ground..an absolute corrupt system bent on our financial ruin,deprived health and security, and laying waste to our nation and the world for profit and power..question is, what do we do about it?

read those links and get back to me.
Interested in your outtake..
Thanx

possee
10/17/09 @ 10:36 am
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

Ha..you give me too much credit. I don't have anything to expose. I realize we must protect our own camps while being forced to wade threw the rancid swamps they placed before us. I have read a great deal from various sites, as you do, come to my own conclusions. I've seen the losses created by Wallstreet. When portfolios of the rich begin a long steady decline, guess what? (Article was in Chronicle of Higher Ed months ago, no secret)--they stop donating money. The rich know the score, they pull pack, then the wave hits. The endowments are not there to pay for our salaries. It comes off their interest. HA! I learned this from my financial buddies at the job. Their costs for salaries & operations are a small fraction of their budget. Strange how they made it all seem that we were making them go bankrupt. I see now where their interests lie. Well, maybe my congressman won't like to hear that they just dumped over 5000 people off their payroll, maybe some are his constituents who will not be spending money to fuel this dead economy? It will effect everything, you'll see.

10/17/09 @ 10:41 am
crusader [Member] writes:
okay, will do. I'm sure none of it will surprise me, but I'll be sure to reply to you.
10/17/09 @ 10:59 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

Get off your soapbox. The Catholic Church has nothing to be proud of, they are just another corp. that adheres to the doctrines of the patriarchal kingdom. "keep your women pregnant & in the kitchen at all times, so you can do whatever". Until I began my own journey & through influences of existentialist philosophers: Nietzesche, Sartre, De Beauvior at school did I understand how empty a woman's life can be through the oppression of the Catholic religion. My two kids went to a parochial school after taking them out of public-was not impressed. In some ways it was worse. There are obvious biases towards genders in the classroom (boys are always bad, girls are only pure) & having one of each-treated not as equals. These are the schools who create our Ivy League monsters--over achievers who are cruel to classmates- based on class,race, & residence. Elitist vultures who are only concerned with how things look on the outside-that manicured lawn hides a lot. In the meantime, their girls are throwing up in the bathroom, suffering from anorexia because they can't get that "A".
10/17/09 @ 11:17 am
crusader [Member] writes:
They left something OUT--They forgot to teach us to love ourselves, the most important lesson of all, especially women.

My mother, a devout Roman Catholic her entire life, always made her choices based on what others expected of her, not what she wanted to do. She had very few opportunities, raised during the 30's Nazi occupation in N. Italy, exposed to long periods of severe famine, & fear of being raped by soldiers. She lived a very hard life, met a man her family didn't approve of, so she remained single until she met dad, then worked cleaning filthy dorms for over 25 yrs with not even enough for retirement. I've cared for her as long as I can remember & I will continue to do so because she is my mother & I love her, regardless of her illness & faults. But even with all the good values I've learned by the teachings of the Catholic Church-to love, charity, sacrifice, honor family-

I practiced birthcontrol & got divorced, so I didn't make their grade.

The priests tell wives they should forgive their husbands, so who forgives the priests when they molest little boys.

10/17/09 @ 11:48 am
jane.logan [Member] writes:
The Catholic Church is a scam to get the masses (pun intended) to finance the lifestyles of the rich (thanks to collection plates) and sexually perverted.
10/17/09 @ 12:08 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Thank you, Jane!

Now we know why Buzz subscribes to his narrow way of thinking. I've heard it all before. Some of these devout Catholics are the worst offenders of our society, as they sit in the first pews of their holy church.

Being a true Christian has nothing to do with what is practiced within the hypocrisies of the Catholic church. While mom was always busy running to the novena's in the north end on Tuesday mornings, dad would complain that being a good christian did not mean you had to fill their collection baskets every Sunday. Not until I met a few protestants, did I realize what I was missing. Just about every Catholic man I have met is riddled with hangups, insecurities and this warped sense of superiority bred within at an early age that--"women are there only to serve you, so take all you can get". And the women believe the more they give, the better they will be treated. It is the reverse, so--women need to take all they can get and demand equal rights along the way. So, cook your own damn dinner, wash your own damn clothes & because we all work outside the home!
10/17/09 @ 12:36 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

Just wanted to let you know, I have abandoned Buzz's latest verbal assault against the cru', with regard to the church.

Your topic is worth more consideration. I'm sure the church and all it's financial power is also a major player in global dominance of the warlords.

So far, I will make a few comments before I go back to the many links you provided. Can we say that our quest for independence has been another illusion? Their military strategy worked on the American people too, as we see their role is central to the overthrow of our so called democracy--King George maintains his firm iron grip on the world by systematically breaking down our spirit while stripping us of our financial freedoms. The wealth extremists have finally been exposed, only too late to be dismantled. Isn't that always the way?
10/17/09 @ 12:57 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey possee,

"The independent farmer is a great threat to the World Order, because he produces for himself, and because his produce can be converted into capital, which gives him independence". (from 3rd link above, one of the most informative)...

Did I mention both my parents were raised on farms in rural Italy? Guess this is where I get my belief system from--If we could all rely on our own resources, this wouldn't be happening. They created a world of poisons: from greed, to drug addiction, to reliance on credit--all to our own moral and financial demise.
10/17/09 @ 1:09 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Cru, I agree that any highly focused skilled individual that retains the ability for self sufficiency is considered a threat.
10/17/09 @ 1:34 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Wow, possee-Time for an encore: You or Neddy care to share why this has been compared to Abbey Road?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8zKtcKCaG8&feature=PlayList&p=66343172F7B4A7D0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=
10/17/09 @ 1:39 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Was a long & dark December
From the rooftops I remember
There was snow
White snow

Clearly I remember
From the windows they were watching
While we froze
Down below

When the future's architectured
By a carnival of idiots on show
You'd better lie low

If you love me
Won't you let me know?

Was a long and dark December
When the BANKS BECAME CATHEDRALS
And the FOX
Became GOD

Priests clutched onto bibles
Hollowed out to fit their rifles
And the cross was held aloft

Bury me in armor
When I'm dead and hit the ground
A love back home unfolds

If you love me
Won't you let me know?

I don't want to be a SOLDIER
Who the captain of some SINKING SHIP
Would stow, FAR BELOW

So if you love me
Why'd you let me go?

I took my love down to Violet Hill
There we sat in snow
All that time she was silent still

So if you love me
Won't you let me know?

If you love me,
Won't you let me know?
10/17/09 @ 2:01 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
possee and cru...I am so far removed from society I had to ask my wife who Cold Play was.

I loved the link and their music. And I love living my life outside the mainstream of society.

My life - Offshore. My entertainment - CCToday. My Loves - My wife and children. My hope for the future - a few honest politicians.
10/17/09 @ 2:09 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Violet Hill...by Coldplay, watch the video and hear the words. Our artists are the only one's who dare tell the ugly truths! German Expressionists were banned by Nazi's for their bold displays of resistance. In music, illustrations, writing, many ways of true self expression--all powerful messages, forcing all to see it for what it truly is...hold onto your courage and convictions. I would rather lose it all knowing I fought back with every ounce of my flesh and spirit, rather than be an immoral coward beholden to a corrupt party. Hey Neddy, maybe you will find me in a tent in California along with the thousands who line Ashbury Park, homeless, penniless, and starving. May these treasonous evil scum pay for their many sins committed on millions of innocent lives. I for one will never give up the fight. As a true Christian, we are taught never to fear our oppressors. They must be cut out of our society and punished. I'd rather die with fierce courage for what I believe in, than live as a worthless coward who does their bidding and just accepts it without fighting back! NO WAY JOSE'!
10/17/09 @ 2:20 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"My life - Offshore. My entertainment - CCToday. My Loves - My wife and children. My hope for the future - a few honest politicians".

Here, Here, Maverick. Many of us want to have our lives back & not be chained to the war dogs & bankster criminals that just ran off with the US Treasury. We've been broke for a very long time & now the IOU's are being cashed. What do they care? Their money has been safely hidden away in the Cayman's for who knows how long. And this was a systematic, deliberate act of terrorism & collusion by all parties to wipe out the middle class. They needed to bring us down & the way they did it was to feed us all a pack of lies. "Your home is worth over a million, you have to remodel since the professionals who have moved into town will only expect the best accomodations; new kitchens, hardwood floors, etc." The towns tripled our taxes & water bills, sent the assessor to our door every six months. I just got a card from them last week! They are sick puppies. I won't let them in--screw them! ALL PROFITTED, leave the homeowner holding the bags of THEIR dogshit.
10/17/09 @ 2:32 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"I am so far removed from society I had to ask my wife who Cold Play was".

That's okay Maverick. Our children keep us young and informed on things and great artists we may not know about.

They are best known for big hits I learned on my own, "Clocks", "Speed of Sound", played on radio stations when they became popular. The lead singer is married to a famous actress, Gwyneth Paltrov. She has since moved to England and they are raising a family. Her mother was also an actress and on Broadway. All three are very talented people who I have followed. Here's a video she was in with musician Huey Lewis, another favorite tune:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_HaoZ73wWg
10/17/09 @ 2:38 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Gee...here's a thought;
When they break the law, punish them.
You know, like they do every other citizen.
See, we don't have to wait 30-50 years this time to know that laws were broken.
So why is it that only one other congressman would support Kucinich in his impeachment campaign?
There SURE were a lot of people willing to impeach Clinton ....why so scared of Cheney?
I mean, they will all be screaming about Rangle and Feinstein, won't they?
And ACORN...oooooohhh what criminals.
Yet, Haliburton was giving your troops contaminated water in Iraq.
And taking a lot of money to do it.
And not a peep from the All-American media hero's.
Blowing up $75,00 vehicles just to order more.Living in opulence while the troops sleep on mats in the desert.
Killing people indiscriminately because they're the wrong color and religion.
Torturing, and in such a sadistic fashion.
Hersh says the orders came from Rumsfeld.
Using depleted uranium.
And what's the consensus?
Obama is worse than Bush.
Ok, got it. Bushco will walk free of any accountability.
And Obama is toast.

10/17/09 @ 2:55 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
The law does not hold TRUE....It's corrupt and those that know the system well use it to further their interest...
You're dealing with a bunch of THIEVES who wear the attire of sheep's clothing.
10/17/09 @ 2:59 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
"We're just here to help".
10/17/09 @ 3:05 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Word in the Coldplay song--correction: Fog not Fox.

Maverick,

You may find this interpretation helpful. I looked up the lyrics on one site, and at times they get the words wrong.

There are other sites that reveal meanings of songs, metaphors used to get a message across:

http://www.lyricinterpretations.com/lookat.php/bands/Coldplay/614619ee5b77643
10/17/09 @ 3:07 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"Cru, I agree that any highly focused skilled individual that retains the ability for self sufficiency is considered a threat". --you expressed that well! Thanks Ana.
10/17/09 @ 3:27 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

Are there any links in particular you would like me to comment on? I'll try to get to all of them if I can, but it's a lot to digest at one sitting...frankly I'd rather be cruising'...ha. Educating oneself is key to combating the deception & ongoing scams of thievery. Notice the upper class got the word, while the rest of us were sitting ducks.

You don't hear anyone telling the alumni how dumb they were to invest in Bernie Madoff schemes, do you?

I can hear it now, "oh, they were all innocent victims"...ya, sure they were. There are plenty who are too ashamed of their individual losses. They hire lawyers & hide in their homes. Bernie Madoff, the poster boy who takes the fall & shields thousands of hedgefund investors to bundled the loans, they can't find the lenders on millions of loans, they sold them off to unknowns. I would bet the reason they would not allow a letter read (written by 3 judges) at the statehouse hearing because it would further taint the image of our judicial body who are in collusion with banks who do not want everyone to now how MAJORLY they F'D UP!
10/17/09 @ 3:32 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Here's what Lyndon LaRouche suggests...and it sound a lot like Fulford. And yeah yeah I know, they're both crazy idiots according to some, but whatever! An opinion is an opinion.
"the measures recommended by Lyndon LaRouche, and being discussed widely in the background internationally; Putting the entire world monetary system into Bankruptcy Conservatorship, cutting loose the phony derivative debt, returning to a Credit based system as per Hamilton, F.D.R., etc. with Glass-Steagall back in place, "Clawing" back the Money stolen in the bailout, tracing it, recovering what is recoverable, determining Criminality and Prosecuting..,,DISENGAGING entirely from the private interest creditor Federal Reserve System."
According to Fulford, The Reserve must play along, or die. Because he also says these ideas have been percolating behind the scenes. With all big players involved.
AND, it seems that they already are starting to arrest and prosecute.
Oct 7, 27, and on through November is when the rubber is supposed to hit the road....we'll see what happens.
10/17/09 @ 3:50 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

What came out at the hearing, a very important aspect that was most certainly covered up: Many minority families, elderly, uneducated working class--they have finally admitted to the house of representatives who attended this hearing--HOMES HAVE BEEN ILLEGALLY FORECLOSED UPON, because the banks did not have proper documentation to seize homes (?nationwide). Discovered ONLY by their attempt at resale of these homes with "bad deeds", requiring extensive title searches, did they uncover more deceptive practices to keep the housing market and homeowners held as hostages in a never ending quagmire. It's like a military strategy turned on the American people. They sit in their foxhole (home under foreclosure) as they wait for an ambush by the enemy. Some waited over 5 yrs, still waiting for resolution by the govt. to intervene, demand and make them accountable. I believe some seated in back at the hearing were there on behalf of the lenders, "to get the dirt". There were over 30 org's. there representing & supporting homeowners. How long before we hear of their alleged crimes?
10/17/09 @ 4:24 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey bitter,

I think Buzz is still waiting for Sister Bertrille to save him.

As the Flying Nun would say: "When lift plus thrust is greater (the cru')than load plus drag, (buzz) anything can fly."

Hopefully, we will all be soaring high again one day, not in a monetary fashion as the enemy, but by living day to day just as simple, everyday people. Is that asking too much!!!
10/17/09 @ 5:41 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

"Mr Geithner, the former president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, has never worked on Wall Street".

What a load of BULL. This guy is working for the largest banking families (Rocky & Co.)in the US, and his Ivy League fraudsters are his best buddies, all have been saved from the fiscal crash. GoldmanSachs, etc.

In a congressional hearing on C-span via youtube, I listened to the same comments told my Mr. Rose of HMC, "off shore accounts are FOREIGN. AIG rep. who was being interviewed, replied after Congress insisted he disclose who are the overseas investors they needed to pay back with our taxpayer bailout money..."we can't tell you that, senator, it would jeopardize our relationship with our investors who we swore would remain confidential". Wonder who they are? Any guesses welcome. I can think of a few at the top of the list, how about you?

possee, I knew all these stories over a year ago and I'm guessing those in power have known for a very long time. They expected everyone to go out and get 3 jobs to pay the illegally crafted, inflated rate. Surrrrrprise!

10/17/09 @ 5:57 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Funny how some people can understand the worlds banking crisis, wall street corruption, offshore accounts but can't understand their own mortgage.
10/17/09 @ 6:10 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

Under same link about Geithner:

Rewarding former Harvard President for bad behavior, or was he fleeing from his sinking ship at HMC because he did not properly investigate how investors were operating endowments, as told by Mr. Rose, former tax commissioner, who blew the whistle to Congress... or both?

"Previous releases of disclosure forms revealed the $5.2m paid to Lawrence Summers, chief economic adviser to the White House, by DE Shaw, the hedge fund, in the two years before he joined the administration".

comedy relief: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3BvdH0EPXk&feature=pyv&ad=3726775313&kw=aig

10/17/09 @ 6:24 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
AIG being grilled:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOMpgIaK_mU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ztqjLv46s&NR=1&feature=fvwp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MshgrVIJF28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCYN1pq-wXE&feature=related

Ron Paul questions AIG contracts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYDt7kC3Z0&feature=channel

Ron Paul, Bill Maher, Ben Affleck

10/17/09 @ 6:34 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
comment from "Harvard laysoff 274 workers"...

hedgefundsinner wrote:
"What readers fail to understand is this: although Harvard has the largest endowment in the world it currently is suffering a severe cash flow problem resulting from the previous manager's efforts to make the endowment into one big hedge fund compounded by Larry Summers bright idea to hedge interest rates in the CDS market (remember what got AIG into trouble?). Google the Feb. 20,2009 New York Times article entitled "Endowment Director is on Harvard's hot seat" for more info. It's now about endowment's size, it's the fact that currently almost a quarter of the funds are in illiquid investments that's choking off cash flow. Estimates are that without a dramatic market recovery over the next couple of years nearly 40% of the fund will be illiquid then they'll really have problems"...
10/17/09 @ 6:48 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Addressed to the NY Times: Dear AIG, I Quit (3/24/2009)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/opinion/25desantis.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1

note: UBS is now being investigated by the IRS commissioner as seen on the Jim Lehrer show. So, possee...is it the ole' bait and switch? They come after us, so we just keep on selling...companies, homes, etc.

10/17/09 @ 6:53 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
I find comments at times more telling than the story itself...

http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/opinion/25desantis.html?sort=oldest&offset=1
10/17/09 @ 6:55 pm
possee [Member] writes:
buzz

Perhaps crusader might explain,in a nutshell,what ensued with her mortgage situation.
I always engage a real estate attorney(300 usual charge) on all mortgage related agreements before signing.
However,the legalize agreed upon does not prevent future fraud by the lender (and regressive actions) as we've seen in the lending world recently.
I was approached by dozens of scam artists to 'modify' my mortgage for a mere fee of 2000 deneros.
I immediately requested, via email, a copy of the proposal, submitted to my attorney,and denied all proposals.
Subsequently, I called my lender* who happened to be qualified for the HAMP program.*(not a subprime lender)
Suffice to say, I reduced my rate from 6.5 to 2% fixed..no costs, no points, and modified successfully for the remainder of my loan.
Never late, nor facing foreclosure either..just happened to qualify being a moderate income, equity, and debt to ratio value.
Beware of any proposals and offers otherwise!

It is the one thing the current administration achieved that worked for me.

possee
10/17/09 @ 7:38 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

I took over the family home in 98', while going through a nasty divorce, ex moved to NH to avoid paying child support, mom retired, couldn't keep up with her own bills. The house needed too many repairs. I called the a neighborhood bank in Cambridge. I was denied based on not being married, having dual income. They told me they wouldn't give me a $50k loan to replace asbestos covered coal furnaces, adequately insulate the home, and begin upgrades to supplement my income while working full-time at Tufts. My credit union gave me my first loan. There were many family issues I cannot get into that required constant attention. Husband became a stalker, he was almost jailed for 3 years from continual harrasments and threats. I finally packed up and left for the Cape. Met a woman from Orleans who I worked with at a lawfirm. It all went down from there, combined with the force of revitalization of West Somerville from yuppie sprawl. If I had to do it again, I'd leave the home as it was, do minor repairs, keep it a one family.
10/17/09 @ 7:58 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
The woman was working at the law firm part time, also working as a mortgage broker. But, prior to moving to the Cape, I took out loans with a fixed rate because I didn't want the adj. rate loans & really didn't fully understand them. When I got to the Cape, things changed. Jobs paid less than Boston, it was very chaotic at most places with inconsistent instructions, no training, & resentful co-workers. At the law firm, I would get complaints all day about loans clients had taken out that were riddled with errors. But my loan was not with my employer, another in Hyannis who worked with this woman through BNI. Frankly, it would take too long to get into all the details, but when you have two households to run, you have to keep it all going. My loan was not interest only. It was 2 year fixed, then adj. In the meantime, the boyfriend was working construction, planned to start his own business, but had a problem with the IRS that needed to be dealt with. It took him 10 yrs (6 spent w/me)& he only owned 5k which ballooned to 100k. By the time he was able to settle, he left. HOUSING BUST!
10/17/09 @ 8:11 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
What he owed from the IRS was from lobstering years ago. He was required to pay his taxes, didn't. I don't really know why, only to say, he must have got "caught up", (frequently used term by broker to describe the slippery slope people fall into on the Cape), so it was most likely his drug addiction,(addictive personality) of his youth that followed him like a dirty gremlin. He had many good qualities, but the addiction clouded his judgment & made him weak. By the time he reached his 40's, he was just a beaten down angry man who spent too much free time being a beach bum. But many employers exploited his hard work. I never met a man that could work as hard. His talents in home design, all self taught, by a father who worked for Crosby boatyard & furniture maker--yankee carpenter, no one could touch. That's the man I fell in love with, and he was good to me in many ways. But his addiction and my inability to see what was happening clouded my judgment. I tried to refinance many times and by all standards WAS QUALIFIED, but subprime TAINTS YOU. No one wants you after you take SUBPRIME.
10/17/09 @ 8:18 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,

You mentioned, "you have your own lawyer review documents". Well in the housing boom, many of us didn't think we were getting ripped off, so there was no need to have our lawyers look over documents. As many politicians, advocates for homeowners and agencies that are now helping us, continually say, "What they did was ILLEGAL, in every way the community banking industry provides mortgages, and they were suppose to be professionals". Well, frankly, I don't think our neighborhood banks are hiring pizza delivery boys and paying them 20k a month to coerce people to take loans, as my Cape broker did to many of her friends. I wonder where she is now? Last she told me, "oh, I'm having trouble paying my own mortgage and I may have to go into a new line of work". What, the lawyers from Orleans won't have you? I'd say it's safe to say she's ruined her own reputation in her role as well as the freeloading attorney she conspired with and of course there is no punishment for those who deceived the homeowners, they just carry on to scam for another day.
10/17/09 @ 8:27 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
So, maybe if the community banks allowed more people who have been marginalized by society, you know--single mothers who try to provide a decent retirement for themselves and a future for their kids since the deadbeat fathers don't give a damn, our elderly who didn't have govt. jobs, who barely get by, the minorities, many who fled impoverished war ridden countries with no food, or clean drinking water, jobs or housing. Then only to be deceived into becoming a homeowner so the country can put the screws to them one more time, since it's not bad enough they have had to slave for companies making less per hr. than what we tip at the local restaurant. Their paychecks equals one cable bill. Then they threaten them with immigration, but I know for a fact that our immigration laws are completely saturated with the same vile corruption as the rest of what we are dealing with each day. I told one lawyer, "put them on a plane and send them back, then"..he said, "oh, it's not that simple, their country has to accept them first", and I replied, "and how high is your price for their false hope".
10/17/09 @ 8:31 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Community banks are too strict with their lending--subprimes are loansharks. The average homeowner does not have the freedom to be able to buy a home in this country. It's again just created for those who have two incomes, or maybe someone who makes over 120k a year, which I clearly do not. So, the WASPS, win again, discrimination upon the working class. "We only give loans to husbands and wives". I also know for a fact that gay couples also have trouble getting loans. A gay professor who I once worked with shared this with me. She told me of one company that is "gay friendly". Well, how do you like that? And they claim they are fair to all of us, sure they are. In your dreams.
10/17/09 @ 8:55 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
possee,
what the hell is wrong with you?

10/17/09 @ 8:57 pm
possee [Member] writes:
crusader
I commented on this to make buyers beware.
Contact me via e -mail and I'll give you the name of my attorney who is just and fair.
I'll also give you an attorney who's a staunch democrat, who's one of my trusted friends,.and resents the corruption we face.

possee
10/17/09 @ 8:59 pm
possee [Member] writes:
karent2 [Member] writes:
possee,
what the hell is wrong with you?

Referring to what?
10/17/09 @ 9:00 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
I can get you an attorney who will have someone killed, but you have to wait until he gets out of jail.
10/17/09 @ 9:08 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Let me clarify something.
All commenters, and posters, have some validity to their positions..right or wrong by respective readers.
I, for one, do not defend any stance by any political party,nor corporate industry, to further their agenda..period!
Assume this as you must.
I try to substantiate all perspectives and will comment accordingly..left, right,insane,progresive, communist,whatever..

And make my personal conclusions thereafter..
So be it..and may you enjoy the same privelege to expound..

possee
10/17/09 @ 9:13 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHWbsvgQUE
10/17/09 @ 9:14 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3MWKBD3Iu4&feature=fvw

GM CEO makes 16 million, 8 jets costing 20k each round trip, to Congress begging for more corporate welfare. $288 round trip coach, first class, $800. They just laid off 51,000 workers. Asking Congress for 25 million.
10/17/09 @ 9:17 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
..."they insist using corporate jets is for security reasons"...just wait until the angry mobs show up, they will have to fly space ships to the freakin' moon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75wiH6Qiqf4
10/17/09 @ 9:25 pm
possee [Member] writes:
karent2
I am not a shill, nor mouthpiece, for either party, let alone conservatives(so callled).
Coming from a diverse family,(hispanic,english,irish,italian,black),and family directly involved with state dept. and nsa, I have a perspective unique to myself..period!
I have my viewpoints to the current demise of the world and I will share my comments as I see it..
I constantly peruse all sites from conservative to communist to gain an insight to the human element and what they perceive...
If that's a problem, it's your problem, not mine.

To buy into Fox as much as CNN is narrowminded..
To research all forms of media gives an opened minded individual a better grasp of what's ahead and what to address.
From that stance, I make my decisions.
And, from there, I might re-adjust depending on the actual facts..not party demagoguery.

possee
10/17/09 @ 9:27 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
this turd was asking for a measly 5 million a month to keep GM going, "otherwise up to 3 million workers could lose their jobs senator ole' boy"...they are so smart, financial wizards, yet they arrived before Congress without any clear details to justify their welfare money....and using the 3 million workers as BLACKMAIL, as a way to ensure they get their bonuses. Those polluting jets at $20k a pop cost money, senator, dontcha know, plus I've got that trophy call girl at home who is pretty demanding. Her shopping habits cost big bucks and so does that weekly script of VIAGRA. I've got to keep my barbie around, what will I do if she leaves me! I've got to keep those bonuses coming, otherwise she may leave me for Mr. Toyota! Rotten bums, every one of them, and the women who choose to be with them are also taking welfare. These people are not worth a fraction of their salaries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75wiH6Qiqf4
10/17/09 @ 9:30 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
wrong video....here's the right one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qenf0iHSRwY&NR=1
10/17/09 @ 9:41 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Not about ability, but will...huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GK9Rg9M6-g&NR=1

10/17/09 @ 9:44 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Pull your pants down....ooops! Geithner gets caught providing jobs to his Goldman Sachs buddies...liar, liar, pants on fire!..Go Maxine!...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqJ-UFEAzr0&NR=1
10/17/09 @ 9:47 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Geithner attempts to explain fraud:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7RNMrflmw8&NR=1
10/17/09 @ 9:55 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Where in the constitution did it give you authority to use funds in the treasury? Are we headed towards a global currency vs. the US dollar? Why wasn't AIG put into receivership? Who were loans made to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C69h5PEsDrE&NR=1

"Go back to your kitchen woman, we know exactly what we are doing, how dare you question us...masters of the fiscal universe"!
10/17/09 @ 10:09 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Full disclosure of AIG bonuses...will be paid until March 2010?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slRid543aOA
10/17/09 @ 10:15 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"Some recipients of these bonuses were not even U.S. Citizens"? Way to go, scumbags...and we wonder why we have foreign issues and are at war with other nations?
10/17/09 @ 10:27 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"I respectfully disagree Mr. Secretary of Treasury.....I didn't say we should do nothing" HA, HA, HA....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwn3XZeefL8&NR=1

I know these are old tapes, but my point is since March, what has changed? They promised these bailouts would get our economy back in swing, well guess who are the only ones swinging these days?

I swear, the rumor is right. When people get too educated, they become DUMB. Maybe they should have come up with a plan to talk there way out of it, but instead relied on the trust of millions that they could be responsible with our money. Corporate welfare, do nothings. One mentioned the AIG bonuses have been paid to those whose jobs are to move money all day. The letter from the NY times of the one who quit AIG admitted to accepting over $700k for a salary. There is a small part of me that actually feels sorry for him and it is separate from his compensation. That I question. What I can relate to is his feeling of complete disloyalty by his boss, who didn't have the integrity to be straight with what he was planning with Congress.
10/17/09 @ 10:44 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"Funny how some people can understand the worlds banking crisis, wall street corruption, offshore accounts but can't understand their own mortgage".

I just got a crash course. What's your excuse for being SO ignorant? There is so much about people you will never learn because you are too wrapped up in the "World according to Buzz", and how you perceive everyone should be- robotic, cloned or brainwashed in having the same traditional patterns as you. You are of an older generation, and you have no vision to see outside your own little box of how life should is. Well, it's just not that simple for some of us. I've been taking care of family members since I entered the third grade. I'm not complaining, just explaining so that some of you may understand we don't all get to live the perfect family life with parents who can teach us everything we need to know. If you really knew all I have gone through, you would never understand how I got this far with little support, I prefer it that way.

Run along now, Buzz-- I hear Sister Bertrille calling your name for more steel ruler smacking.
10/18/09 @ 6:50 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
It's the whole corrupt culture that needs to change, and thats why I'm glad the Dems are there.
Finally, the unspeakable is being spoken. And we can mention all this thievery...and do something, even if it is small and even if it's symbolic.
When Obama speaks up about poor working families, it's a part of this country that has been ignored for decades! The Robber Barons have held sway. "Money is God. If you don't have it, you're less than useless. You don't deserve a home or food or heat or healthcare, you bunch of gimme gimme bums!"
That is so far from the truth. Kids are so poor it's tragic. Basic nececcities cost so much it's ridiculous. Old people suffer for lack of income. Profit Profit Profit.Pttuueee!
And don't forget either,the 2.1 trillion of your tax money that was given away like candy in Iraq to contractors and mercenary armies while your soldier were killed by Haliburton cost-saving methods.
The American Dream has been hi-jacked and we are finally waking up to it. And the rest of the world has already known.
Like George Carlin said,"You have to be asleep to believe it."
10/18/09 @ 8:50 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
One way to get out of a financial mess is to spend less time blogging and more time working:) But then again, that would be a terrible loss for all of us that depend on your insight and keen observations of the problems of the world.....NOT!
10/18/09 @ 8:54 am
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,

..."the 2.1 trillion of your tax money that was given away like candy in Iraq to contractors..mercenary armies while your soldier were killed by Haliburton cost-saving methods. The American Dream has been hi-jacked ..we are finally waking up to it...rest of the world has already known. poor working families, it's a part of this country that has been ignored for decades! The Robber Barons have held sway. "Money is God. If you don't have it, you're less than useless.

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. This is one of the best posts you have written because you outlined two key issues that many need ignored.

The war cost us too much in terms of LIVES & SURPLUS. One senator complained (link) it was our foreign policy. Have been too liberal? Who do we blame? If anyone would like to explain what the specific problems are within our foreign policy, I would like to know. I have a huge issue with that comment made by a senator who said, "AIG hired many who are not US CITIZENS". There are too many undocumented in high paying positions. The poor immigrants are the least of our problems.
10/18/09 @ 9:13 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Just think about this for a moment:

There have been hundreds of bonuses at AIG. How many are NOT US CITIZENS? Some of you complain about the immigrants who flee from their war ravaged countries to come here only to be exploited by employers. What do you suppose is going on with the lucrative paid financial wizard who is moving money around? Could it have been another plot, another form of terrorism? Just because someone goes to a prestigious college doesn't make them pure. In all the years I've spent within the NOT SO Ivory Towers, that is the conclusion I make. Two professors in our office- One needed to layoff a lab tech because she needed to apply for another grant. The woman who was let go, a good friend, working mom: "how's your lab tech doing, find a job yet"? "no, nothing yet, not surprised, her poor presentation and all". They both smirk..other professor responds, "I know, the working class". This was said just feet away from my desk. I shot them a look. How dare they. Many of us "working class" are so much better, in so many ways. The are INSULATED by these institutions.
10/18/09 @ 9:37 am
crusader [Member] writes:
...some brought their kids to the office, left them w/staff while they taught. In so many ways, their lives are very easy-they don't have the same stresses as we do. I had grown fond of many co-workers. They are not all elitists, but the adm. are, which have many of their own political problems within that no one on the outside gets to see. Staff are working mothers, who cater to another group of family members outside the home. I tried to take 2 classes each semester, while working full-time, dealing with two teens & an ailing mom. This benefit does not come easy. It takes up to 6-10 yrs to acquire, by then, you need a second degree. A co-worker shared they force staff to cont. ed. off campus, wait months for reimbursements. Nothing is just handed out. I worked for all of it and at the end of the day, it still doesn't change who I am or where I am from. I had my own personal reasons for going to school & it had nothing to do with their bad politics I won't subscribe to. Some try to stay out of the adm. affairs, but it's impossible. But like corp. many other jobs do not pay enough.
10/18/09 @ 9:52 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

Funny you should mention work, I have more interviews coming up and it only required a few clicks on the computer. Read my resume one day, called the next. With so many people out of work, I feel fortunate to get a call so quickly, but my years of experience and all the skills acquired speak for themselves. I have earned all of it. I'm not in line with the CEO's asking for handouts. My unemployment benefit is by LAW and paid by my employer who can well afford it. 15% mandated cuts across campus, and not one word in the papers just so they don't have to lose face. That's why. You think I want to be at home and out of work? Oh, maybe I should take a temp job so I lose my unemployment which pays more than a whopping ten bucks an hour and lose my Cobra as well. Good thinking Buzz. There are very strict guidelines for unemployment, and I adhere to every one of them. This layoff was through NO FAULT OF MY OWN, many were forced out & laid off. I have worked for over 25 years. You think I will just line up at the slave factories? Lenders want us to be broke!

SCREEEWWWWWW YOUUUUUUUU!
10/18/09 @ 10:08 am
crusader [Member] writes:
What's the matter, Buzz, can't stand to have me back? Am I treading on your self-acquired territory on the blogsphere?

I'm hear to share my story with others who just might be in the same sinking boat. If more people came out to blog about their hardships, maybe we wouldn't all be so isolated as the media and their cohorts would like us to be. UNITED we STAND, DIVIDED we FALL.

If you are laid off from an employer, how is that interpreted as "I DON'T WANT TO WORK"? You really are ignorant. This is the first time in my life I have been laid off from a job. And shocking too, considering how it's a university, one among the many who boast how much they give back to their communities, taking all the credit, when we all know they get a free pass on TAXES, listed as NON-PROFITS. What a joke. Just because their privileged students get drunk in all our pubs every weekend, does not mean we are gaining anything. And they violate laws just as much, if not more, as other teenagers from working class neighborhoods. They are NOT BETTER, just more diabolical. BU murderer & rapist ring any bells?
10/18/09 @ 10:14 am
karent2 [Member] writes:
possee,
my question was geared toward why did you ask the question you did? Do you realize the can of BS you've just opened? Don't you realize there is no end to the rants?
10/18/09 @ 10:51 am
capedoggie [Member] writes:
Are we really sure that this "crusader" worked and attended a"prestigious" Cambridge university??? I asked several times and came to the conclusion that it was the Cambridge School of Broadcasting. Man she can write forever about nothing!!
Let's bring Shelli back!!

Standing By
10/18/09 @ 11:56 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"SCREEEWWWWWW YOUUUUUUUU!"
I second that. And third it. And fourth it.
As an esteemed vp said once. "What a waste it is to lose one's mind."
But in buzz's case, it's his heart.
Oh sure, he loves his family and all that, but the mandate is to love one's neighbor as oneself.
SO, given as how I'm sure he wouldn't like his wife or kids going cold and hungry, without healthcare, working for PEANUTS...he shouldn't want it for anyone else either.
Even you or me crusader!!!
That is the ultimate proof of Buzzes faith....
Can he love us?
Can he pray for those who persecute him?
Will he save his soul before it's too late?
...Or will Glen Beck announce a new mandate.
From a blogger named Kiley Anderson:
"If you are a Democrat you are the enemy of America. We will not let you destory our great country. We are now on to you and your Marxist ways and we will put an end to it by any means necessary. YOU ARE THE ENEMY."
That's the new"godly" mandate if you ask me.
And at least it's honest.
Versus people who say I don't hate you, as they twist your entrails with a lever.(sorry--watched "The Cell"!)
10/18/09 @ 12:06 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bitter,

I agree with you 100%. I'd never want to see anyone go cold and hungry. Don't confuse my comments here as anything but a reaction to others comments. This is a blog and nothing more. If someone wants to air their life history here, there will be some reaction. And, if that person wants to blame everyone and anything for their shortcomings, there will be reaction. That's the nature of blogging. No one said you have to air your dirty laundry here.
10/18/09 @ 1:25 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
possee asked her how she came to be in her situation...she answered.
You and karent2 don't have to read it now do you?

And you never blame the right people for anything.
You are a classic "blame the victim" person.
Sounds to me like crusader lost her job so the big-wigs could collect more/ie GREED.
"You take less less less so I can have more more more"
How was she to know she was working for imbeciles?
More more more more more more more.......

It's always on the back of someone.


10/18/09 @ 1:44 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bitter,

As usual, all good points. I'd just add that part of the reason for the economy being in the dumps is that many people took on mortgages they shouldn't have. Banks went belly-up, put the economy into a tail spin.
10/18/09 @ 2:12 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,

That ignoramus isn't worth our time or effort.

How about YOUR ISLAND'S FILTHY LAUNDRY?

HOW ABOUT MAZZONE's words..."that woman's death was about to uncover the big drug cartel on the Cape and BG was sent in to cover it all up"! How about that!

possee asked how it all went down, well I laid it all out.

Why do you think I have spoken out about your drug infestation? Because it effected someone I loved very much and had planned to marry, but drugs and alcohol had ruined him. He couldn't be saved. That place has ruined many good people, but your powers that be just continue to throw it all on the small drug dealers and you are too stupid and too stubborn to admit the place is infected with these poisons! The woman from the law firm who got these loans for me was also a paralegal. I gave her my trust, she was a co-worker. If I mentioned the law firm, many would agree with me. Later, I found out they are not well regarded. Someone I met said to me, "Cape Cod is a strange place, almost anyone is a potential thief". It's the lack of opportunities. It's not easy living there.
10/18/09 @ 2:14 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
With all the discussion on this site about what is wrong with the democrats, republicans and America why so little mention of a third party?

Cru for Pres., possee for VP, WB for Secretary of State, bitter for welfare czar, Buzz for Secretary of Defense and Ned for court jester. Do we still have court jesters? Oh, OK. Forgot about Joe Biden.
10/18/09 @ 2:17 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
bitter,
do you still love me?

And if someone is so opposed to working for the big corporate fellas and fems, considering them to be the downfall of the economy when most believe they are the engine that drives the economy, where should she work? Perhaps she should keep that in mind when she applies for and accepts a job.

and BTW, why hasnt't she started her own blog to vent as opposed to hijacking everything she can twist into her own little nightmare?
10/18/09 @ 2:17 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,

"She's always bad mouthing all those good people of Cape Cod"...who?

The kingpin drug dealers? Are they the good people Buzz keeps harping about?

Maybe Buzz has his own little stash tucked away, huh, bitter? What do you think? Why does he continue to defend which is so painfully obvious?

Drug Dealing=Corruption=locking up innocents=lack of opportunities=declining economy.

But, hell, at least you have the beaches.

10/18/09 @ 2:21 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
As soon as I posted, I remembered she does have a blog in here. When I looked to see if it was active, I got a good laugh at the descriptive overview of who the Cape Cod Crusader is. A special place in her heart for the cape?

Time to update.
10/18/09 @ 2:35 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru,

Be careful where you tread... I defend the "good" people of Cape Cod, not the drug dealers, wife beaters or anyone else breaking the law, throw them in jail. Get it?

As karent2 said, when you going to update your profile? Say nasty things about CC and how you left for "greener" pastures... how's that working out? Oh yeah, forgot... colleges are corrupt now too. Nothing about a bunch of Ivy league greedy bastards ruining your life.

10/18/09 @ 2:36 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
The REAL welfare in this country goes to the DOD!
Please please please watch that video "The Project for a New American Century".
It will make you SICK how the elite take from you yet you still complain about poor people!
And no karent2, I don't love you. But I don't claim to follow Jesus either. You know, the whole "We are a Christian Nation" thing?
Well, if so, then put the money where the mouth is!
Cause much of the world thinks we act like The Great Satan.
And why shouldn't people take on mortgages when the banks are telling them there is no problem?
They are the experts aren't they?
Like this whole deal they get with fees and fines and overdraft charges and foreign transaction charges....christ, the mafia never had it so good!

And I just wish we had gotten all the technology jobs that were supposed to come here, but never did.
It would be really great if we got to be in the forefront of the Green Revolution.
10/18/09 @ 2:37 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
buzz--
maverick says negative things about the people of Cape Cod all the time....why are you not calling him on it like you do crusader?
10/18/09 @ 2:39 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Mav,

"Buzz for Secretary of Defense", sorry, more fitting to be in charge of waste management, he'll have plenty of company. He can make karen his underling.

"Special place in my heart for Cape Cod", is NOT WHAT IS THERE NOW! I spent summers there as a child, that is the Cape I remember. Some of you people have stripped out whatever was good about it. That's why generations have LEFT! Go do a survey on that if you DARE! Many people already know and have known for years about what is WRONG with the Cape, but for the sake of your precious tourism, what would you have? The place would be just a big sandpit blowing in the wind. Again, we see this conceited attitude, "better than thou".

The only reason you are even on the freakin' map at all is due to the fact that the Kennedy's made it their summer home, some in Hollywood like to visit, along some famous in broadcasting. BIG DEAL. Get over yourselves. There are plenty of other more beautiful places to visit.
10/18/09 @ 2:42 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
###Oh sure, he loves his family and all that, but the mandate is to love one's neighbor as oneself.
SO, given as how I'm sure he wouldn't like his wife or kids going cold and hungry, without healthcare, working for PEANUTS...he shouldn't want it for anyone else either.
Even you or me crusader!!!###

and yet, not me?

I think you're nice and you smell good.
10/18/09 @ 3:26 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"Nasty things I say about the Cape"?

You mean, the Nasty thing about the ongoing drug problems which continues to erode your struggling families?

Or, the callous indifference to the number of murdered women on the island that few wish to talk about? That Nasty thing?

Or maybe the Nasty thing about your job culture, that hires newcomers only to tear them down to shreds because they don't kiss ass enough or kneel at their feet each day so grateful for the lousy $12hr. job without benefits, no paid holidays, no paid sick time. And don't ever call in sick! You might just get treated even worse than you usually do. The fact you admitted you work OFF CAPE shows how much of a HYPOCRITE YOU REALLY ARE!

Nasty things part II: Corrupt courts, corrupt politicians, corrupt law enforcement, corrupt lawyers....stop me if I'm getting warm....corrupt judges, am I getting close?

Never had I witnessed such hostility towards anyone who dares speak out about the many INJUSTICES on that island. Why do you suppose that is? Who is in control, care to tell us?

Watch were I tread? HA! The Gig is up!
10/18/09 @ 3:33 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
He already loves you karent2.
You're the smack-down tag team.


10/18/09 @ 3:39 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru,

You left the Cape... how many years ago now? But you still can't let go can you? Missed opportunities, failed relationships, bad bosses... sounds a lot like Somerville. Walk away, put your time and energy into your own community, leave us here to wallow in our own demise.
10/18/09 @ 3:40 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
What you fail to comprehend is that by throwing innocent people in jail time after time, you eventually reveal yourselves to the entire world.

The Gig is up--That trial showed the entire world what goes on there? You think everyone is stupid? HA! Try to live this one down, you won't.

My own divorce lawyer (criminal lawyer) told me, "they put innocents in jail to protect there own". But you don't want to hear about that story anymore, it's your DIRTY LAUNDRY. The only reason I have shared my story is so others will learn and BEWARE of those who seek to only PROFIT, ABUSE, and reduce you to someone you never imagined yourself to be...I was lucky to get out, but what about.."almost everyone can be a potential thief". So you wonder what type of culture breeds this type of existence? One that cares so deeply about its residents? Must be! Am I the only one who feels this way? DOUBTFUL, but you know how it is, people move to a place and it's not so easy to uproot and start over. I get that.

The ex-beau was from a well respected Mayflower family, not one you would ever see in jail
10/18/09 @ 3:45 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
And if you post all this babble on your own blog, you can delete those that disagree with you.

Why not try it?
10/18/09 @ 3:51 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru writes: "The only reason I have shared my story is so others will learn and BEWARE of those who seek to only PROFIT, ABUSE, and reduce you to someone you never imagined yourself to be.."

That's very noble, but again, it doesn't appear to be working to well for you. That's all, are you sure your in a position to give advice? In addition to solving all the worlds problems that is... sounds like you have a full plate:)
10/18/09 @ 3:59 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

I remain for bitter, Ned, possee and Maverick. I have no idea why Maverick and possee can stand you, but they have my sympathy.

As far as my moving on, I've already done so in many ways and will continue to fight for what I believe in regardless of what you say, or what obstacles may stand in my way.

When a govt and corporations take away our rights and freedoms, it's time to make a stand, otherwise we jeopardize our children's and grand children's
futures, freedoms and rights.

Family will always come first in my life. The ex-beau wanted me to sell everything and move to Florida away from my kids because he never could grow up, on to the next party. After he exposed his true intentions, I was done. Everyone makes their choices in life, and I don't deal with this without assuming some responsibility. We all make mistakes, every one of us. The important part is to learn and not repeat the same mistakes. The housing crisis was a deliberate act of warfare against the middle class, not by the individuals, but you won't get that because you cannot see the world for what it is.
10/18/09 @ 4:03 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

If these assaults on my character are any indication of how you treat your family members, including children, I really pity them.

You are an ASS.
10/18/09 @ 6:28 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
crusader...
I have a funny feeling that buzz has an alter ego named army123. Posted over at cctimes.
One time I said that when you have kids, you can't work as much as you would like to...
Ever after that, he would always say, "Oh, it's the kid's fault, Blame the damn kids. Those damn kids."
As if I was blaming my kids for our poverty.
That guy was an ass too, and i suspect they are one and the same.
Not to mention those two faux middle-aged spinsters over at court tv.....
Using words that no one uses anymore.
"He's atrocious!", things like that. Always thought that was him too. Not too many people used the McGarbage thing.
"When in doubt, whip it out." Got nothing to say, insult away. Or heaven forbid you have a kid!
10/18/09 @ 7:25 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,

Yes, their stalking had no bounds, did it? Just about every site, they would show up to vomit all over posts that would dispute the outcome. They must be working for the men in the dark sedans who use to show up at my friend's house late at night. He was the manager of the opponent in the race. Lots of shady characters, that's for sure.

I worry for jane. jane, watch out for those dark sedans! One can never be too cautious. One of our friends refers to the place as MOB ISLAND. A few others have come forward to make that claim as well; writers, former residents and shrinks.

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Richard Latimer is a practicing attorney in Falmouth, MA, doing business as Richard K. Latimer, Attorney at Law, 222 Main Street, Falmouth, MA.  His practice centers on litigation with a focus on personal injury and disability law, in addition to contracts, construction disputes and other insurance litigation as well. Telephone (508) 548-7006 and e-mail rklaw@cape.com

He is a 1972 graduate of U.Mass, Amherst and a 1975 graduate of the Columbia University School of Law and a member of the Massachusetts Bar since 1975.

He and his wife of 39 years, Adrienne, and we have a 21 year old son Brian, a 2006 graduate of Falmouth High School, who is presently enrolled at Cape Cod Community and who plans to transfer to U.Mass next fall.  Richard has been active in local Falmouth politics, presently as a Town Meeting member and member of the Planning Board.

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