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Ouingnut Ouija

Wingnut Ouija  

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations,  or the dictates of  our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
            - John Adams, Trial Lawyer, defending British Soldiers after "Boston Massacre"             

Facts are stupid things.
 
           - Ronald Reagan, B-movie actor, Freudian slip mangling Adams quote.

 Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of  terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.
            - Matthew Rycroft, MI6 Downing Street Memo, July 23, 2002

Several years ago my former law partner and I travelled to Wassau, Wisconsin, to take depositions on a product liability case where our client had lost an arm to a defectively designed industrial machine manufactured there.  We took a local flight from Detroit to Green Bay, a nice enough small city -like Worcester with an NFL franchise, and we rented a car for the drive through the boonies to Wassau.  

          We took depositions from everyone involved in the design and manufacture of the machine, including the president of the company who can best be described as a master of dumb looks and evasive answers -or more accurately non-answers.  And, being pathetically unimaginative as well, his evasions began to follow a predictable pattern. 

         When a difficult question was asked, i.e. one where he couldn't think up a suitable way to wander off topic and would have to acknowledge fault and inadequate design of the machine if he answered, this bold captain of industry would begin with a blank-stare pause, anywhere from fifteen seconds to several minutes, after which he would say things like, "I'll have to check with my people," or "I have to review the paperwork," or our very favorite "I gotta go lose some water," after which he would get up and go to the men's room for several minutes, apparently thinking we might ask a different question when he returned.

         Of course, we didn't ask a new question. Being the patient and determined fellows that we are, my partner and I didn't get angry or nasty with the witness or with counsel, either.  We just kept asking the same question until we got a responsive, substantive answer,  and we made it obvious that we were going to stay there and keep asking questions as long as it took for this cretin to give us a straight answer to each question.  This one deposition continued over two full days.

            To while away the time however, after a half-day of that obstructionist nonsense, I devised a little chart on a yellow legal pad listing every one of his evasive responses that we'd heard.  I then began using the chart like a Ouija board.  My partner would ask a question and while the deponent was giving us the blank stare, I would move my finger over the chart a few times and stop it on one of the evasions to see if I could predict which one he would use. 

            We had files stacked on the table, so nobody else could see my finger moving over the little yellow Ouija board.  Both defense counsel and the witness were therefore clueless as to why we snickered every time I guessed right, and our apparent jollity clearly conveyed to them that we weren't about to give up until we got everything we needed from the witness -which we eventually did. 

            Doing this blog post over the past several months, I am struck by the similarity between the predictable evasions of that dim bulb CEO in Wassau, and the equally predictable, unimaginative off-topic "talking points" we get from the purportedly "conservative" folks who reply to these postings, typically consisting of right-wing shibboleths like "tenth amendment," or "Barney Frank," or "Acorn,"  et cetera,  always only marginally pertinent to the subject under discussion if at all, and never uttered within the context of any cogent, critical analysis of the substantive topic at hand.

            I might, for example, be discussing the failure of "free market" idelology, culminating with the failure of the Bush administration's policy of deregulation in 2008.  I might use the example of Kenny Boy Lay's close personal ties with Bush to show how corporate influence corrupts our politics and damages our economy.  I will then, inevitably, hear from someone braying about Acorn, as if corrupt activity by people working for a non-profit corporation involving a few million dollars, a non-profit that has contributed to Democratic political campaigns including a President's, was even marginally comparable to for-profit corporate corruption involving billions, like Enron's, that bankrupts an entire state due to the criminal acts of a President's close friend. 

            It's a question of both perspective and relevance, two things that are totally alien to today's right-wing GOP base, and the media demagogues they fawn on and then parrot on this site.  These are people who speak and act solely on ideological preconceptions across the board, as opposed to critical analysis of specific factual situations, to determine public policy. 

           A clear example of this approach was the Bush administration's manipulation and its cynical misrepresentation of the intelligence about Saddam Hussein's alleged WMDs, outright lying or at best saying things were so that they did not in fact know to be so, in order to justify invading Iraq.  As stated by Matthew Rycroft in the MI6 "Downing Street" memo of July 2002, the Bush administration was "fixing the intelligence around the policy" instead of determining policy based on accurate and reliable intelligence, and that has cost 4,000 young American lives to date, plus a nearly trillion dollars increase in our national debt.  

           Another example is Reagan's Freudian slip, flubbing his lines while trying to quote John Adams and saying that "facts are stupid things."  That's what he really believed, though, not what Adams said about facts, because the facts and logical analysis always contradict the extremist, right-wing ideology which informs the basis of today's post-Reagan Republican agenda, consisting of a marriage between capitalist and conservative religious ideologies.  How else could an administration seriously try to classify ketchup as a vegetable in order to stiff America's children out of a nutritional school lunch just to shave a few dollars off federal support for local public schools?

          I have therefore designed a "Ouingnut Ouija" board, listing some of the most often heard "talking points" that self-described conservative  savants borrow from the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Beck, Sowell, Thomas, Krauthammer, et al.  Before reading the replies from the usual wingnut suspects to any future post on this site, I'll just set the Ouignut Ouija board on my desk and let my finger land where it will to see if I can predict which of the inevitable right wing obfuscations and irrelevancies the respondent will recite.

           Anyone else is free to use this Ouingnut board for his or her own amusement, even the wingnuts themselves.  If they can't think of a response based on what Rush said last night, they can just get one from the Ouingnut board and nobody will know the difference.  As for the rest of us, it won't reduce or otherwise mitigate the right-wing tripe that gets regurgitated in response to these "liberal" postings, but it might go a long way to alleviate the tedium of reading such evasive nonsense, the hackneyed rant radio "talking points" they mistake for critical analysis, the way it did for my partner and me in Wassau with the Cheesehead CEO.

           The only difference is that we two tort lawyers settled that product-liability case not long afterward for a very large sum of money, as we knew we would, but it's unlikely that the right wing media hacks and their ditto head wannabes who post on sites like this will ever just own up to their moral and intellectual bankruptcy and then stop bleating about things like  "tort reform," "free markets" and "family values." 

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10/18/09 @ 8:29 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
It's like trying to nail Jello but if anyone can do it Counselor Latimer can. Speaking of nailing it was NEWSWEEK's sourball Krauthammer who coined 'Bush Derangement Syndrome,' which has been in heavy rotation here this week.
10/18/09 @ 8:47 pm
cricket [Member] writes:
I love it!

We could do a "War on Christmas" edition for the holidays :).
10/18/09 @ 8:57 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Ned,

Richard nails jello! HA..great line, Neddy. How about nails made of jello? Buzz has a closet full, and they never come close to winning any debates.

10/18/09 @ 9:24 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey Richard,

Pretty clever, did you design the board yourself, caricatures included? Should be fun, hopefully it won't scare off the GOP worshipers.

"Kenny Boy Lay's close personal ties with Bush to show how corporate influence corrupts our politics and damages our economy".--how many ties does Bush have to AIG, Goldman Sachs, more Wallstreet thuggery. More than a few have compared the latest fiscal tidal wave to ENRON. It seems they just continued where they left off with Lay and Skilling. An old boss said, a local university took a big bath on that stock as well. It seems Skilling had coaxed his alma mater into buying a ton of ENRON stock. Got to love that loyalty among friends.

..."for-profit corporate corruption involving billions, like Enron's, that bankrupts an entire state due to the criminal acts of a President's close friend". --just as we see how the ins. giant, AIG has falsely insured home loans, while handing out over $530 mil. in undeserving bonuses. Always believed Lay is alive in Paraguay, along with the old Nazi's, waiting for Bush to arrive with another paycheck.
10/18/09 @ 9:47 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Perfect Richard
You've outdone yourself.
Your constant drumbeat for the left is a mirror of the idealogy of the right.
Based on parroting left wing propaganda,misrepresenting the facts to support political dogmas, and vilify diametrically opposed belief systems that your oppositions entire wired belief system is based upon.
You .and your ilk, are what's wrong with the world..blind faith, as the right does as well, to support such corrupt, morally bankrupt, systems of baseless values.

You, and the right wingers as well, have completely lost it.
There is a groundswell of Americans who oppose both systems of parroting, manipulation,who continue the tired littany of denegrating the opposing side, yet are exactly the same.
Self serving servants of the elite.
Cowtowing and defending those who oppress and manipulate their serfs.

Theatre of the absurd.

possee
10/18/09 @ 10:00 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Ricahard,

Once again you flag burning, liberals who only care about big government along with tax and spend democrats that support acorn like Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank. You have no concept of the 10th amendment or for that matter the 2nd amendment. Yet, we have a president that hasn't shown any proof of a birth certificate, he caters to the welfare queens, flag burners and friends like Bill Ayers and illegal aliens. Al Gore goes on to spread his junk science while the free markets pay the price. Obama will continue to push his socialist agenda while nothing will be said of tort reform. His presidency so far has been an abortion, Hilary would have made a better president at least we could have hung on to our christian values as taught by Rev. Wright and not have this creation science shoved down our throats.

I think that covers it, now its time for some Freedom Fries..... God bless the USA (you forgot that one).
10/18/09 @ 10:07 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
a right to bear arms and separation of state. what the hell are talking about Buzz? we already have it, and more.
10/18/09 @ 10:09 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru,

Easy does it, I was having fun with the Ouija board... see, I used all the terms.

How about that Patriots win...nice. Enjoy the rest of your evening. I'm going to bed. Have a productive and enjoyable week. Good luck on the job search...really.
10/19/09 @ 7:14 am
possee [Member] writes:
While the ranting and raving continues over demagoguery, there are those who are aware of actual impending violations by overreaching feds, and are making preparations in the event of such..

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/

possee
10/19/09 @ 7:27 am
r-five [Member] writes:
Richard clearly prefers "Moonbat Monopoly"...

-Players MoveOn around the board to Leftward

-Govt. always shoots the dice

-Instead of building, players tear down properties

-Every square is Baltic Avenue

-Players are paid for who they are rather than what they do

-Everybody pays $200 for passing "Go"

-Nobody except the richest player goes to jail

The object is to get all the money in the game, and the government always wins.

The tokens are an acorn, a scooter, a donkey, a gavel, and...

Well, you get the idea

R-Five
10/19/09 @ 8:41 am
possee [Member] writes:
r-five
Excellent idea..

Moonbat Monopoly

Sign me up for the initial release!

possee
10/19/09 @ 8:43 am
Jonathan [Member] writes:
Oh, wingnuts and moonbats, when we learn?
Keep bitchin' and twitchin' while Babylon burns.
With fingers all pointed aft and fore.
Tough to figure who's American anymore.
Each armchair captain stares starboard and port.
Snidely stating "the truth" with a snicker and snort.
So forgive me if I pause, and take three steps back.
When y'all find something to agree on, kindly call me back!

Registered Independent-
No Party Affiliation-
Lovin' it!!!


10/19/09 @ 8:56 am
possee [Member] writes:
r-five has therefore designed a "Moonbat Monopoly" board, listing some of the most often heard "talking points" that self-described "liberal" savants borrow from the likes of "Alinsky, Ayers,Marx, Mao, Chavez, Castro,Obama,NPR,Reid,Pelosi, Kerry,Frank ,Soros,Moveon," et al. Before reading the replies from the usual "moonbat suspects" to any future post on this site, I'll just set the "Moonbat Monopoly" board on my desk and let my finger land where it will to see if I can predict which of the inevitable "left" wing obfuscations and irrelevancies the respondent will recite.
It fits both sides Richard..excellent concept.
Meanwhile, as Jonathan states, "Babylon burns"

possee
independent

oathkeepers.org..member
10/19/09 @ 8:59 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Babylon is not burning, and for everyone's information, this has been coming for a long long time.
Some of us have already been dealing with it, it's just that many more are feeling it now.
Having had the same job at the same pay since 2000 is a good barometer of things. Quality of life has decreased every year. Prices up, fees and fines up, cost of everything up. And no cola's for working people in the private sector.
So, I see this as an inevitable re-adjustment.
You can't keep having a big party for some, and people drowning on the other side!
And all along, people were realizing it, and speaking out about it.
Oath-keepers are great. So are whistleblowers.
So is that couple in New Hampshire who refused to pay taxes and went to prison.
There are so many more decent people here than the thieving swine....they will be stopped, and we will have a new way of running this country.
Freedom includes having a warm roof over your head and food in your children's bellies. It's not just about freedom to rip everybody off, and stay out of my way while I'm doing it!
We will regain our humanity.
10/19/09 @ 9:07 am
Ned [Member] writes:
If the graphics for Moonbat Monopoly show up anywhere online, send a link. You'd need a Graphic Artist to produce it, and most Graphic Artists are Moonbats... but most will hold their noses if paid properly. As for Ron Paul's tricornerhatted civil-disobeyers... those white boxcars are still waiting in Arizona for homegrown Ghandis...
10/19/09 @ 9:14 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
please watch!
Kucinich's "truth":

Kucinich TRUTH IS DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS COULD HAVE STOPPED IRAQ WAR COME HOME TROOPS

for jane:Congressman Kucinich Exposes Health Care Hoax
10/19/09 @ 9:16 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Let’s play Ass-hat Jeopardy


I'll take the Constitution for $300 Alex.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

What is, the 10th Amendment?

Correct.



I'll take boxing for $200 Alex.

Never laid a glove on Randall “Tex” Cobb.

Who is, Muhammad Ali?

Correct; only an ”ignorant twit” would confuse Ali with Holmes.



I'll take clueless bloggers for $500.

Reason for constantly disparaging a dead president.

What is, a homoerotic obsessive man crush coupled with feelings of inadequacy fostered by an Oedipus complex?

Correct again.



I’ll take Hubris for $700 Alex.

Image of a bloviating bombastic buffoon.

What is, see the picture in the blogger's profile?

Correct, and while that ends the first round, when we come back after a brief message from our sponsors we’ll start Double Jeopardy.
10/19/09 @ 9:29 am
possee [Member] writes:
Peter
You and r-five should start your own blog and on-line game show.

ned..
you should submit a design for Moonbat Monopoly and grab some easy cash from the right wingers..

possee
10/19/09 @ 9:44 am
possee [Member] writes:
white box cars in Arizona?

or white box cars in Oregon?
http://www.whale.to/b/box.html

This was one of those conspiracy sites during Bush's reign..
possee
10/19/09 @ 10:11 am
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, Cru

Thanks for the kind comments. Yes, I did the board myself including caricatures, the hardest part being reductions on the copier to fit into the design. (Before I went to college and law school I flunked out of art school.)
10/19/09 @ 10:13 am
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, Buzz

Thanks for the input. Once again you show yourself to be the exception that proves the rule about today's "conservatives." You're a conservative, but you have some perspective and a sense of humor, and that's truly remarkable.
10/19/09 @ 10:29 am
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey, r-five

Where you been for the past eight years? It was on Bush's watch, with six years of GOP control of Congress as America became Baltic Avenue. Have you checked the mortgage foreclosure data lately? I.e. "free markets" at work.

And who was it that tore down Filene's leaving a gaping hole in the heart of Boston's downtown? You think that was Acorn, too? Try asking yourself how Macy's was allowed to become so big that it put both Filenes and Jordan's out of business -Acorn again, huh?

About being paid for who you are instead of what you do, try applying that analysis to George W. Bush, and all the trust fund babies who grew up to become "free market" Republicans.

About jail, try looking at the actual American prison population and count how many of them look like Madoff or Skilling and how many of them look more like O.J. -only those guys don't come from Brentwood but, um, Baltic Avenue.

Also, who got "all the money in the game" over the past eight years, the folks on Baltic Ave., or the sleasebags on Wall Street -including public tax money. Can you spell A.I.G.?
10/19/09 @ 10:34 am
Ned [Member] writes:
I do my reductions on the Staedtler Proportion Wheel- a sort of circular slide rule... available as a Close-out at Staples since most folks just have the calculator/computer do the math now. My first job doing graphics, summer of '71 at the Florida Times-Union, I used a straight old-school slide rule... the boxcars are in Oregon now? Arizona's better for the wood but Oregon's good for the paint...
10/19/09 @ 10:45 am
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, Jonathan

Thanks for the verses. They reinforce what I wrote at the outset of this blog. I'm a liberal centrist who believes in our constitutional ideals and not any ideology left or right. I both admire Eisenhower and subscribe to his remark that he despised extremists on the left and right who throw rocks at those of us in the center. The main difference being that I throw rocks back from the center, both at the left as I've done with gun control, gay marriage and animal rights, and more frequently at the right.

The sad truth is that Ike wouldn't find a place under todays GOP tent. The closest thing we've seen to him is Powell and look how they used him and stabbed him in the back.

The GOP has moved so far to the right in ideological lockstep that liberal centrists like us are labelled extremists on right-wing rant radio and Fox media. We have to fight back on every front and it really isn't allthat difficult given the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of today's right wing GOP. In fact, it can sometimes be outright fun baiting these wingnuts, as with this post. :-)
10/19/09 @ 10:56 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Richard,

Your welcome. I enjoy your posts. Your great wit keeps me entertained and I do agree with what you say about Bush & co. I was hoping Neddy would give art lessons, maybe he could start an art class one day? A few years prior to leaving for the Cape, I took an art class and told my instructor, that I would like to draw a landscape design because I will be buying a home on the Cape one day. I kept it stored in the basement for a few years, but now I have it hanging up again, family & friends can't believe I did it myself. They insist I bought it from an artist. It's a boardwalk with sea grass on both sides leading only to the horizon, you can't see what is beyond--journey of life and its mysteries. Anyway, you should keep up the art, never too late to take a class. I know the red barn in Hyannis has classes (behind the post office)and Neddy may suggest some options. I'll have to get back to it someday, myself. Off to the interview! Keep up the great dialogue, and don't get discouraged. This place always seems to be a rollercoaster ride.
10/19/09 @ 10:58 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Actually Ned, my sister is a graphic artist who does the layout for Talkers Magazine.

We were just discussing the fine job she did with Mark Levin's cover for October.

I'm sure she'll be mildly amused with the Graphic Artists / Moonbat reference.
10/19/09 @ 10:58 am
Richard [Member] writes:
Hi, petey

Yeah, you got me on the Ali / Holmes mixup, but it only proves my point. Not many guys could hit Ali, but Holmes was hittable and Cobb couldn't do it, just like you wingnuts trying to land a glove on me here.

About buying the Constitution for $300. It costs a lot more than that, I'm afraid, more likte trillions as with the massive debt run up by Bush's GOP until the crash in 2008. But the corporate elite, working through the GOP over the past eight years, has made a huge down payment. Right now they're negotiating with the Roberts Court conservative majority to buy the First Amendment through "corporate free speech." You think maybe Jefferson would buy that one?

About Ronnie Reagan, I know it's hard to disparage a fool, but it's necessary only because of his devastating, divisive political legacy. As for homoerotic oedipal impulses, do I detect some projection on your part here? Yes, definitely!

About the bloviating bombastic buffoon, I couldn't think of a way to fit your homoerotic ego ideal "Rush" into the Ouingnut board. Sorry, maybe next time. :-)
10/19/09 @ 10:59 am
crusader [Member] writes:
possee, Neddy,

They played with the natural order of life and death, now we all pay the price. You two are on the same page with more than you realize--genuine artists with so much vision! Thanks for your well wishes and continued support, Hugs..cru'
10/19/09 @ 11:47 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
28 years ago due to his Latimer-like hubris, Muhammad Ali re-entered the ring and was not only handily defeated by Larry Holmes but it has been described as one of the saddest days in boxing history.

“Like watching an autopsy on a man who's still alive,” Sylvester Stallone said later.

Not many guys could hit Ali…” so how did he come down with Parkinson's Syndrome?

Might want to skip the sports analogies Dick, as the similarity between you and the "Black Superman” ends with your blather. He was a champion and you are...well...you.

Here's a fun fact:
Holmes **69-6-0 (44 KO)
Ali **** 56-5-0 (37 KO)

What has the higher percentage in the w / column counselor?
10/19/09 @ 1:35 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
Richard asks:
Hey, r-five: Where you been for the past eight years?

R-Five:
Same place I've been all my life...

...watching "liberal-centrists" of both parties busying themselves at moonbat monopoly, and other nasty games, to the detriment of the Nation.

What you are complaining about is not the consequence of a free-market economy--it's a logical outcome of a regulated economy.

And we are going to see a lot more of the same swindles on a much grander scale in the name of "Hope and Change"

R-Five
10/19/09 @ 4:19 pm
tadthebad [Member] writes:
Richard, it is interesting that you connect the Wall Street fat-cats with the GOP, especially considering the employment history of the current Sec. of Treasury. Also consider the responsibility of Frank/Dodd on the burst housing bubble. Obama has been no more transparent than his predecessors. As a self-proclaimed centrist, why not investigate those angles? Enough straw men.
10/19/09 @ 5:19 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Oh please! No one thought it was important enough to investigate the lies that got over 4,000 Americans killed.
Why worry now? You've already let the worst slide....it's onward and upward for all gvt. criminals now....
And no one to blame but the Bush apologists.
Everything else is really small potatoes now.

in my opinion.
10/19/09 @ 5:30 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Hey, I've got a revolutionary idea: Rather than line up in lock step behind either the Wingnut Ouija players or the Moonbat Monopoly players, why don't we consider standing between them at times? Why can't we ever seem to occupy the rational middle?

Truth is seldom found on the extreme Right or the Extreme Left. If we all insist on standing on the far right or far left we end up so far away we can't hear each other, much less talk rationally about issues.

Let's try a bit of moderation!
10/19/09 @ 5:32 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey, r-five

You must have amazing x-ray vision, seeing all that stuff with your head lodged way up there where the sun don't shine, along with little petey and the other wingnuts who come back at this post with derivative, unoriginal copy cat games based on the very same right wing rant radio shibboleths I predicted.

At least Buzz came back with some real humor and perspective, but that's probably because his head is closer to the center and isn't in the same dark place as yours and petey's. Capiche?
10/19/09 @ 5:39 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
So, little peter,

What's your point? I acknowledged the trivial mistake of confusing Holmes with Ali, and even if Holmes has a better lifetime record than Ali, that's only because Ali kept fighting long after his prime. In their day, it was no contest and anyone with any level of intelligence would rather watch Ali boxing than Holmes punching -but I guess that exludes you.

But thank you for again proving my point in this post about how you wingnuts always glom onto some trivial little factoid, having nothing to do with the subject at hand and worry it to death in a desperate attempt to discredit any center liberal commentary that challenges your a priori right wing ideology.

The point about Cobb was not whether Ali or Holmes fought him or was a better boxer, but about how he kept coming back and back, taking punch after punch after his face was bloodied by Holmes, as you correctly note, without landing a punch. It's exactly what guys like you and r-five are doing right now in response to this post.

Again, thank you, petey, for once again proving you got nuthin'.
10/19/09 @ 5:47 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey, Tad

I missed it with you. You got right down to cases with Barney Frank, but I didn't predict it on the board. Oh, well, you can't win 'em all.
10/19/09 @ 5:56 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Richard..."So, little peter,"

Why the adjective? Trying to lead with a jab before you get KO'D?

You are turning into a liberal joke. If you need help chasing ambulances in the off-fishing season I am available. And a close friend is a paramedic in Harwich. I am sure we can get a head start on the competition.
10/19/09 @ 6:11 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
It's hard to be rational dk when you know people were conned into a war.
And when you believe Cheney most definately was in on 9/11.
So what to do? Play nice?
I want justice.
Nothing less will do.
Dennis...help me out!:
You Tube,Dennis Kucinich Who are these people?

Good Question, and we will get the answer.
10/19/09 @ 6:14 pm
possee [Member] writes:
dk

It's a war of actions, words, and ideas.
Take a stand.
Gloves off.
No time for mediocrity.
Personally, I reject the right gop as much as the left dnc, as they are all big government shills.
I stand outside the box and am on offense.
Just like the pats last night..total annihilation, defeat the opposition..
and no quarter.

possee
10/19/09 @ 6:25 pm
possee [Member] writes:
SENATE HEALTH BILL: 1,502 PAGES

and here we go folks....1502/72 hours means we have to read and understand 20 pages an hour.
Rham it through!

Business as usual in DC..not as promised by OB for us to read the bills before they pass and he signs it.

Barack Obama "Public Will Have 5 Days To Look At Every Bill That Lands On My Desk"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU

You lie!
possee
10/19/09 @ 6:29 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Nine days after taking office, he signed a bill into law without posting it on Whitehouse.gov for five days. Since then, 10 more bills have become law over the president's signature, and only one has been posted online for five days — and that was for five days after it cleared Congress, not after formal presentment. Two bills have been held by the White House for five days before signing — but they weren't posted online!
Barack Obama "Public Will Have 5 Days To Look At Every Bill That Lands On My Desk"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU

You lie!

possee
10/19/09 @ 6:32 pm
possee [Member] writes:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/234/allow-five-days-of-public-comment-before-signing-b/

Credit card bill of rights passed without five-day break
Updated: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 | By Angie Drobnic Holan

The camera lights still outshine sunlight at the Obama White House. In his latest violation of this promise, President Barack Obama signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act of 2009 on May 22, only two days after the bill was finalized in Congress.

The law doesn't take effect for a full year, so it clearly is not emergency legislation.

Bush lied, people died!
Obama lies, the left denies!

possee
10/19/09 @ 6:33 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
The point about Cobb was that once again (surprise, surprise) you don't know Jack about what you are saying.
So when are you going to turn tail and run on this thread dick. You obviously lack the moral fortitude to stand up like a man and defend your often erroneous points.

"Well I'm done here" and "I won't even try to answer any posts" just like a true Algorism, "The debate is over."
You spout off and then resort to feeble one uppers sounding like the Greg in "Diary of a Wimpy Kid", at least in his defense he stands up to face the music.

Perhaps you could enlist one of the womenfolk in your family to finish what you start. You haven't landed a blow yet, as you run away like a scared little bunny rabbit whenever your mouth writes a check your ass can't cash.

I should expect this from a Sally that considers the 'Lightweight League at Colombia" playing football. Who'd they play against, Smith, Barnard and Mt.Holyoke?
10/19/09 @ 6:34 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Obama signs first law without Web comment
Updated: Thursday, January 29th, 2009 | By Angie Drobnic Holan

One of President Obama's major campaign planks was making government more open and accountable. It's a reaction to a habit in Congress of rushing bills through the House and Senate without giving people much opportunity to know what the bills would do. Indeed, sometimes members of Congress don't even know what's in the bills.

So Obama pledged during the campaign to institute "sunlight before signing."

"Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them," Obama's campaign Web site states . "As president, Obama will not sign any nonemergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House Web site for five days."

But the first bill Obama signed into law as president — the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act — got no such vetting.

possee
10/19/09 @ 6:38 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
"I should expect this from a Sally that considers the 'Lightweight League at Colombia" playing football. Who'd they play against, Smith, Barnard and Mt.Holyoke?"

My bride said Wheaton was on their schedule pre-guys.
10/19/09 @ 6:38 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
possee, he couldn't even keep a promise about a dog. Speaks volumes about his character right there.

Do anyone honestly expect him to behave any differently on any other subject?
10/19/09 @ 8:39 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
Richard wrote (in part)
Hey, r-five: You must have amazing x-ray vision, seeing all that stuff with your head lodged way up there where the sun don't shine...

R-Five:
Is that *really* how you want to play this, counsellor?...

R-Five
10/19/09 @ 8:56 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
I agree Bitter, it is hard to be in the middle when one side is so whacko. I've heard so many lies and distortions about Obama's health care reform that I automatically go on offense from further to the left then I'd be if the stuff I heard wasn't so wrong.

With Health Care, there are plenty of things to complain about with Obama's approach. First in my mind is the fact that he's putting a bunch of regulations on private insurance but, with the single exception of the Public Option which Obama seems more than willing to drop, there's not a single thing to prevent private insurers from increasing premiums. Obama says that rising insurance premiums is one of the 2 main problems with our health care system but he's probably going to increase cost, not reduce it.

But when I'm debating health care I don't have much time to discuss that kind of thing because I'm debunking the wild, crazy lies from the opposition. An opposition that can take Palin's "Death Panels" thing seriously.

Result: No reasonable discussion in the middle.
10/19/09 @ 8:59 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Don't mind Richard r-five, it's all he's capable of when the rubber meets the road.

He's pretty much earned himself the status of red-headed step-child around here.
10/19/09 @ 9:03 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth:
Hey, I've got a revolutionary idea: Rather than line up in lock step behind either the Wingnut Ouija players or the Moonbat Monopoly players, why don't we consider standing between them at times?

R-Five:
Because that's been the theme of American politics--and it plainly hasn't worked.

dkfalmouth:
Why can't we ever seem to occupy the rational middle?

R-Five:
Oriana Fallaci said "...sometimes the Truth is on one side only". It is crystal-clear that now is such a time.

dkfalmouth
Truth is seldom found on the extreme Right or the Extreme Left. If we all insist on standing on the far right or far left we end up so far away we can't hear each other, much less talk rationally about issues.

R-Five:
"Bi-partisanship"? "Compromise"? Pfui!

That's code-talk for the collaboration of both parties in skinning the People, and diminishing their liberties.

Time to stop the con.

dkfalmouth:
Let's try a bit of moderation!

R-Five:
Would your mantra be the same if McCain won?

Mine would.

R-5
10/19/09 @ 9:27 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"I reject the right gop as much as the left dnc"
That is laughable.
Just look at all the posts here attacking Obama.
Bush lied people died...and you glide by that so easily. It's the truth. And the mother who asked question about it, who dared to confront the president was subsequently demonized by the all- american right wing.
You are anything but a neutral observer.
And the Clintons were right!
"Klayman proudly recalls the night the "vast right-wing conspiracy... was born." He and fellow conservatives -- including Paul Weyrich, Phyllis Schafly and the NRA's Wayne LaPierre -- met in a room near the Council for National Policy conference in Charleston, South Carolina in 1998. "We voted to remove the 42nd president of the United States by whatever legal and ethical means were necessary," he said."
Same thing is going on now.

10/19/09 @ 10:36 pm
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
r-Five,

You're darn right I'd be talking about moderation and rational discussion in the middle if McCain had won. I'd give McCain credit for ideas that I considered to be good and I'd criticize him for policies that I disagreed with. I absolutely would not have some blanket opposition to McCain which you guys on the left absolutely have for Obama. I was a Republican from 1978 to 2003 when Bush pushed me out of the ever shrinking GOP tent. I'd definitely have given McCain a chance.

I don't know your positions well enough so I've gotta generalize here: The vast majority of Obama critics I see on sites like this one have the attitude: "If it's from Obama, it's bad".

I would not have given McCain that ridiculous treatment.
10/20/09 @ 5:59 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey, Maverick

The thing is, see, that I don't come back at you or Buzz with things like "little peter" because you don't come at me with that kind of crap like peter whatshisname did right out of the blocks several posts ago with ad hominem comments about me personally.

So, I just give it back, and you can tell from the increasingly shrill retorts from little petey that it's really getting to him. He copycats what I say like a little brat on the gradeschool playground, essentially just saying "so are you, nah-nah-nah-nah-na-nah" without any cogent, substantive analysis as to the actual topic at hand -in addition to parroting the right wing crap he gets from rant radio and now on the ouingnut ouija board.

I commented about Rush never having played a down of football in his life. He came back with Kraft and I pointed out that Kraft played lightweight football at Columbia, full contact with pads against teams from Princeton, Harvard, etc. Now he's putting that honorable program down just so he can, like a little snotnosed schoolboy, think he's won all the marbles. Pathetic!
10/20/09 @ 6:16 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Richard...are you suggesting that you are a "lightweight"?

PS...you are still invited to cast a fly on the "Wood".
10/20/09 @ 6:20 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Richard...names please.

Thanks
10/21/09 @ 8:38 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Actually Richard, it all started over a little comment about Marge Egan, and you drew first blood, or tried to anyway. Don’t believe me, look it up.

The "actual topic at hand" was Rush and the relationship between owning a team and playing football. If Bob Kraft playing in some "lightweight league" no one's ever heard of counts toward "one up on the other side" in your sad little mind then you probably scored the victory of your lifetime. Incidentally Kraft earned his money tho old fashioned way, he married it.

As far as facts, you have never backed up any of your nonsense.
You spout off and runaway in classic “Flaming Troll” style.

So now I’m a copycat, a little brat, a snot nosed schoolboy, your lexicon has matured admirably since grade school.
And you accuse me of “nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah".

Well sticks and stones may break my bones counselor , but it sure does get your panties twisted up in a bunch. Hope you didn’t break your keyboard or soil yourself.

Back to you in the powder room,dick.
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Richard Latimer is a practicing attorney in Falmouth, MA, doing business as Richard K. Latimer, Attorney at Law, 222 Main Street, Falmouth, MA.  His practice centers on litigation with a focus on personal injury and disability law, in addition to contracts, construction disputes and other insurance litigation as well. Telephone (508) 548-7006 and e-mail rklaw@cape.com

He is a 1972 graduate of U.Mass, Amherst and a 1975 graduate of the Columbia University School of Law and a member of the Massachusetts Bar since 1975.

He and his wife of 39 years, Adrienne, and we have a 21 year old son Brian, a 2006 graduate of Falmouth High School, who is presently enrolled at Cape Cod Community and who plans to transfer to U.Mass next fall.  Richard has been active in local Falmouth politics, presently as a Town Meeting member and member of the Planning Board.

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