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The US Mission in Afghanistan is...?

For centuries, the people of Afghanistan have eked out a living from their land’s harsh topography and drought-prone climate by farming, trading, and raiding. Starting before the birth of Christ and ending only in the nineteenth century when steamships replaced caravans, Afghans made a living off traders plying the Silk Route from China and India to Egypt, Italy, and Greece.

Today, Afghanistan is again seen as a viable trade route for commerce. Not for silks and satins, spices, fine china, jewels, and even slaves, but for fossil fuels, the riches of our modern age. Although very few deposits of oil or gas can be found within its borders, there are huge untapped reservoirs that have been located to its west in the Caspian Sea Basin that is surrounded by the former Soviet republics of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and tiny Georgia.

Since these countries are all landlocked, the energy conglomerates, whose executives are bidding for extraction rights, need pipelines to transport the oil and gas to seaports for shipping to markets further to the east.

The following chronology shows the events that brought the Taliban to power, their ouster by the US, and efforts to achieve the objective noted above:

1978 — April 27th - a small Communist clique, not backed by the Soviet Union, grabs power in Kabul.

1979 — July - President Carter signs a secret directive ordering the CIA to work with its opponents — mainly warlords who object to the group’s policies of education for girls and for land reform — in hopes that the Soviets would be drawn into the conflict. Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carter’s Foreign Policy Advisor, acknowledged to a French newspaper in 1998 that the US objective in 1979 had been “to give the Soviets their Vietnam.” [Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998.]

1979 — December 12th – The Soviets intervene at the request of the Afghan government. In the past, skirmishes between tribes were carried on with rifles and on horseback, but over the next decade the US spends billions supplying tribal chiefs with weaponry including pricey stingers, as well as bundles of cash, Toyota pick-up trucks, and access to the international opium market. A number unite under the banner of the Mujahideen to fend off the Russians.

1989 — February 15th – Last Soviet troops leave. The Soviets tried for ten years to bring the country under the control of the Kabul government. (They must be enjoying a last laugh since our troops have now been there for eight years, going on nine, giving us our second “Vietnam.”)

1996 — September – Taliban emerge as dominant force when various factions of Afghan population began fighting among themselves after the Soviets left.

1997 — December 17th – A UK newspaper reports that Taliban representatives were in Texas hoping to sign an agreement with UNOCAL, an oil consortium based in California, for construction of an oil pipeline across Afghanistan, which would then head south to a port on the Indian Ocean.  [CounterPunch, January 10, 2002]

1998 — February 12th - John Maresca, a UNOCAL executive, clarified the situation when he told the House Sub-Committee on Asia and the Pacific, “construction of the pipeline we have proposed across Afghanistan cannot begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders, and our company.” In other words, a stable government, uniting all of Afghanistan, was seen as crucial to protecting their investments.

[ http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa48119.000/hfa48119_0.htm ]

1998 — August 20th – President Clinton sends cruise missiles to strike NATO-built Taliban camps in Afghanistan and to destroy a pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum, Sudan, in retaliation for embassy bombings in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, for which bin Laden and Al Qaeda were held responsible.

2001 — January – July - Secret negotiations go on between the Bush administration and the Taliban throughout the first seven months of Bush’s presidency.

2001 — Mid-July - US warns Taliban that if they do not hand over Osama bin Laden, who was there as a “guest” after being told to leave Sudan, the US will retaliate by bombing the country and instituting sanctions.

Both Presidents Clinton and Bush wanted to grab Osama bin Laden. Clinton planned a secret operation with the head of Pakistan to capture him, but it had to be canceled when that government changed hands. However, Bush added to this objective a demand that the Taliban sign an agreement furthering the oil interests of US corporations in Central Asia.

2001 — August 2nd – At a multi-government confab in Berlin, US breaks off talks with Taliban when they fail to agree to US conditions set forth in the agreement. [Bin Laden, the Forbidden Truth, by Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie – November 2001.]

2001 — August 6th – Foreign Policy Advisor Condoleeza Rice relays memo to Bush warning that planes may be used to attack the US.

2001 — September 11th – Pilots of hijacked commercial planes hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Nearly 3000 people died. Regardless of the answer to the question of who it was that pulled off this attack, it proved to be a useful propaganda tool for the US.

In his speech to the nation that night, Bush states, “I've directed the full resources of our intelligence and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and to bring them to justice.”

But that effort, deemed appropriate by international law experts, was rapidly transformed into a military campaign.

2001 — October 7th - President Bush makes the following announcement shortly after the noon hour: “Good afternoon. On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against al Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. More than two weeks ago, I gave Taliban leaders a series of clear and specific demands: Close terrorist training camps; hand over leaders of the al Qaeda network; and return all foreign nationals, including American citizens, unjustly detained in your country. None of these demands were met. And now the Taliban will pay a price."

Bush does not mention that his ultimatums to the Taliban before 9/11 may have provoked the WTC attack. Nor is anything said about his willingness to overlook terrorism in exchange for the “oil” agreement.

2001 — December 22nd – After the Taliban were pushed out of Kabul by US forces, Bush persuades political leaders at a meeting in Bonn, Germany, to appoint Hamid Karzai, a CIA operative during the decade-long fight against the Soviets, as head of Afghanistan’s interim government. (The claim by a number of sources that Karzai worked for UNOCAL appears to be an urban legend.)

2001 — December 31st - Bush appoints Afghan-born Zalmay Khalilzad as US Special Envoy to Afghanistan. Khalilzad did indeed work for UNOCAL as a consultant in the nineties. He has since served as US Ambassador to Afghanistan, Iraq, and the United Nations. He also served under Brzezinski in Afghanistan during the Soviets’ attempt to pacify the country. He presently heads Khalilzad Associates.

The American people have never been told that the US objective in Afghanistan is to install a government that is recognized as legitimate by all Afghans, but one that will comply with US demands and be able to guarantee security for the pipelines. Instead, a pretense is being maintained that it is the security of America for which US troops are fighting and dying in Afghanistan.

While the operation in Afghanistan should be shut down because it is in violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions, it should also be shut down because no outsiders or insiders have ever been able to unite the country under a single government. Just as travelers once did along the Silk Route, governments of various stripes have only been able to rule a tiny portion of Afghanistan by paying tribute to warlords from the mountainous rural areas to forestall their raiding parties. Even now, reporters in the country’s capital refer to Karzai, the winner of the 2004 presidential election, as “the mayor of Kabul.”

But there’s another even more urgent reason. The corporate world whose policies and practices have brought us to an unprecedented global crisis want to continue to enrich themselves by selling fossil fuels to developing economies in the Far East.

This ongoing use of fossil fuel products is just one indication that corporate leaders put profits over any agreements to work collectively to halt an ever-deepening worldwide climate crisis.

If life on earth is to continue, they must be stopped.

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10/19/09 @ 3:10 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Actually it's a mark-up error,if she corrects it herself, the first paragraph of her blog will be altered.

Best left to the editor.
10/19/09 @ 3:28 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
I had cause to read extensively about Afghanistan during my college years. One of the more unique sports in the coutryside is the practice of tethering a goat in a valley, between two men standing atop hills (Americans call these "mountains"). The men then trade shots towards at each other, with the object of the game being to see "who can miss the other's ear by the least amount." Goat dinner for the winner.
10/19/09 @ 3:44 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Mary..."This ongoing use of fossil fuel products is just one indication that corporate leaders put profits over any agreements to work collectively to halt an ever-deepening worldwide climate crisis."

Nice chronology of crap. I get the picture according to Mary.

Climate crisis according to who? Al Gore?

Why not spend a little more ink on the Opium trade?

How is your home heated? Fossil, nuclear or camel dung? Or might it be hot air?
10/19/09 @ 4:34 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Oh Mary, didn't the Patriots play in the snow yesterday in mid October?

Earliest snow for Pats game in Foxboro by 6 weeks!

Previous record was the first week in December and....
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(silence due to Algore shutting off my microphone)

"The debate is over", Albert Arnold Gore Jr.

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/10/the_debate_is_o_1.html
10/19/09 @ 5:41 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Is there any truth to the rumor that Anita Dunn and Mary W are connected at the hip?

Am just beginning to understand Barney F and friends. Might Mary and friends have had something to do with their condition?

And they are picking on pitbulls? Sacrebleu!!
10/19/09 @ 6:11 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
There's an old song by Blind Blake called "That'll never happen no more" about a fellows self-inflicted difficulties with several women. Now, Professor Gordon Ourside, in his Songs of Morning in America anthology has updated the lyrics somewhat. Here's the last verse and chorus.

Mr. Obama, you're a smart man
So get us to hell outta Afghanistan.
No more neocon crap 'bout democracy,
Just bust bin Laden's butt and call it victory.

The rich are gettin richer while we have a war.
Sellin' guns and stealin' oil, like it's always for.
Us poor folks are payin' for it with our lives
Just so their damned high-livin style survives.

Well that can't never happen no more.
No that can't never happen no more.

Blind Blake sang humorously about getting away from his calamatous relationships with women, but Dr. Ourside gives the same advice about how to deal with the truly disastrous Bush administration debacle in Afghanistan that Obama's been saddled with.

It's like what Joe Biden's been saying, Get bin Laden, declare victory and leave. Show some real political cojones for once.
10/19/09 @ 6:33 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Richard..."It's like what Joe Biden's been saying, Get bin Laden, declare victory and leave. Show some real political cojones for once."

Might bin Laden already be dead? Or useless? But a convenient excuse to continue this crap.

If the USA doesn't want it pull out the troops and let Karzai and the Taliban duke it out.
10/19/09 @ 7:13 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary!

Mary writes: "Nearly 3000 people died. Regardless of the answer to the question of who it was that pulled off this attack, it proved to be a useful propaganda tool for the US."

Propaganda tool... really? How safe have we been Mary? Did you happen to read just last month of a terrorist attack that was foiled in NY? And you call it a propaganda tool?

.... how does your garden grow?
10/19/09 @ 7:19 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Here's a few dates you missed Mary:

2007- Candidate Obama... "The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

2009 - President Obama: "I have no clue of what to due in Afghanistan"
10/19/09 @ 8:01 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Monponsett: Interesting that a game is played with rifles and live ammunition. Have heard of another game played with the skin of a goat.
Maverick: There are still three or four scientists left in the world who cling stubbornly to the notion that there is no climate crisis — because they are paid to say this by you know who. But the icecap is melting more rapidly than originally predicted.
Richard: Loved Blind Blake’s song. Thanks.
Buzz I: Slaughtering Afghans is not winning us any friends. John O’Neill, an FBI agent who investigated the embassy bombings and the USS Cole attack found evidence that led to Saudi Arabia. (Remember that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis?) But his investigation was shut down by higher-ups. Out of frustration he resigned from the agency in the summer of ’01 and became the Security Chief at the WTC. Sadly, he was killed on 9/11.
We have killed way more innocent people in Afghanistan than died here on 9/11.
10/19/09 @ 8:18 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Buzz II: You and some others keep missing the point. Going after Osama bin Laden was just an excuse to whip the powerful warlords in Afghanistan into shape in order to use their country for our purposes which right now is construction of oil and gas pipelines. No one has mentioned Osama in months. Perhaps we just used this former ally as a scapegoat. It remains to be seen.
In regard to Obama, I am not surprised that he wants to focus on Afghanistan. I did not support him in last year’s election because I already knew that he was backed big time by Wall Street and the energy interests there and that he had many conservatives advising him during his campaign. My distrust has been borne out by his trillion-dollar-bailout to the finance and banking industry, his refusal to pull the plug on the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, his silence in the face of the coup by the oligarchy in Honduras, ad infinitum.
10/19/09 @ 8:39 pm
possee [Member] writes:
buzz,
Having immediate family(sibling) ,and friends, serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, coming back to America and asking..this...
Why are we sacrificing ourselves, and dying daily, for a war with no support and a commander in chief who promised support and has not listened to his General in Charge for 8 weeks?

possee
10/19/09 @ 8:53 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Mary..

Insightful post..excuse me ..comment!

Finally, one person who completely grasps the current world situation verbatum..and without preprogrammed political idealogies..
Thank you , Mary

Sincerely,
and may God( or any other deity or belief foundation) bless you.
If not,may the almighty state send its blessings..with conditions, of course.

possee
10/19/09 @ 9:10 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Mary..."But the icecap is melting more rapidly than originally predicted."

If you did a little research into history you would see that icecap melting and other phenomena were a precursor to global cooling.

If you would like me to bore this blog with a list of scientists that say we are in a period of global cooling I would be happy to cooperate.

In the interim I love Americans. Hate Saudis. Look forward to the next American Revolution.

PS...I know how to ride a horse in the middle of the night.
10/19/09 @ 10:17 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

Great post! I'm in total agreement with you, as possee.

And keep giving it to Buzz. It would be great to have a co-pilot.

Thanks!
10/19/09 @ 10:42 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Maverick: It is true, as you say, that we are in a period of global cooling. But there are also some places where an increase in temperatures are taking place and creating droughts. These hot/cool temps are typical around the world now. In the future they will occur in different places with more intensity. Research the effects of global warming on ocean currents and you will see how those changes are impacting us here and people in other places.
10/19/09 @ 10:50 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
Possee and Crusader, You are both probably familar with the comments of General Smedley Butler, but I think of him when I see on TV or read about the dangers our young men and women are experiencing. It distresses me that they are enduring such physical hardships and mental anguish as they struggle to carry out whatever tasks they are asked to undertake all the while knowing that “something is wrong.”
Butler said in a speech in 1933, “I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.” Butler wrote a book called War Is A Racket which can be read in its entirety online.
Thank you both for your comments and support.
10/20/09 @ 2:04 am
Ned [Member] writes:
Is it "serving your country" if the conflict in which you served turns out to be unsuccessful and bankrupts the country you hoped to serve? Certainly the noble thought was there, the effort was made, but the "serving" didn't actually get accomplished, did it? But the Wingnuts would have us Lather, Rinse and Repeat...
10/20/09 @ 5:14 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Something has been wrong for a very long time. If just once, these leaders who make these decisions were made to pay the price for their decisions, maybe this would stop happening.
But instead, we say Oh Well, and on to the next.
Btw, someone said that Bush handed the reigns of power over to the Pentagon....
probably happened a much longer time ago, but our military bases are right on the line of that natural gas pipeline running through Afghanistan.
Karzai was schooled in America, and was a lobbyist for Unical, the company that has the rights to the pipeline.
Just as the soldiers in Iraq were ordered to protect the oil fields, the hell with the citizens,and all the ancient, irreplaceable treasures that were looted and sold.
And, the easiest way to transport the gas is actually through Iran, but with the sanctions, that was an impossibility.
But maybe that is the reason to bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran.
When is anyone ever going to be held to account???
And when are the ones demanding accountability, such as Cindy Sheehan, going to stop being demonized?
10/20/09 @ 5:25 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
You will notice who it is braying loudest for more troops...as Ned says, it is the neo-cons.(wingnuts)
Offspring Mary, once again under the guise of "keeping us safe".
And once again, under the tutelage of William Kristol.
10/20/09 @ 9:18 am
possee [Member] writes:
War is perpetrated for natural resources, and the continued flow of without interruption, for a millenium.
Under Bush Sr..Iraq
Under Clinton..Kosevo
Under Bush..Iraq/Afghanistan
"Afghanistan: The Oil Behind the War, November 4, 2001

Western capitalists have poured billions of dollars into exploration, infrastructure, massive bribes, and military build-ups. And yet, after ten years, almost no Caspian oil or gas is reaching the world market. Oil pipelines are fragile, vulnerable and extremely expensive. No capitalist wants to build a multi-billion-dollar pipeline unless they are sure that local governments can protect it.

This brings us to Afghanistan--and to the intense new U.S. war on Afghanistan."

http://www.revcom.us/a/v23/1120-29/1125/oil_afghanistan.htm

Interesting perspective and worth reading

possee
10/20/09 @ 10:29 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
It wasn't always that way.
In ancient societies where they worshipped the Goddess, they find no evidence of war-based societies. They were hunter-gatherers.
But once the male God Apollo came on the scene, and took over from the female Goddess Gaia, that's when war was introduces as a way of life. (i think)
Just take it symbolically. We are way out of balance. We have too much male and not enough feminine to balance it out.
That's why people say evolve=love eve.
And of course everyone says "you stupid kook wack-job idiot"
But Art History is my Love, and with it comes much ancient history and anthropology.
We were not always a warrior people, and it doesn't have to always be so.
estherandson mirrors the thinking of Barbara Hand Clow.
She says after the purging of evil (un-balanced) energies, we will return to our rightful roles as Keepers of the Earth.
Not destroyers of it!
And we are here! Alive on this earth to experience it.
10/20/09 @ 5:45 pm
Richard [Member] writes:
What the global warming deniers don't understand due to their basic ignorance of science is that the weather system is not a uniform, static phenomenon either geographically or temporally. Weather patterns and temperatures change locally all the time on short intervals of this year or that year throughout the world, sometimes getting colder and sometimes warmer, sometimes going in different directions in different localities.

What global warming is about, what the competent climatologists, oceanographers and geologists are telling us, is that we are undergoing a global warming trend that is unprecedented both in scale and rate of change and therefore unpredicted by any prior trend for either warming or cooling -except in times of global catastrophe. And that's exactly what the past 100 years of worldwide industrialization, with massive burning of coal and petroleum products, has amounted to -a global catastrophe whose effects are just beginning to be seen -including unpredictable local weather as well as the well documented effects of melting polar and glacial ice.
10/20/09 @ 5:53 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Richard...wanted to retire early and then you show up with more crap.

"What global warming is about, what the competent climatologists, oceanographers and geologists are telling us, is that we are undergoing a global warming trend that is unprecedented both in scale and rate of change and therefore unpredicted by any prior trend for either warming or cooling -except in times of global catastrophe."

Please give us the names of "competent climatologists, oceanographers and geologists."

10/20/09 @ 5:57 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Amazing...the ambulance chaser has transformed himself into a "climatologist".
10/20/09 @ 7:11 pm
Mary [Member] writes:
maverick: Dr. James Hansen is a well-known climatologist. Certainly regarded as one of the leading climatologists if not at the very top.
10/20/09 @ 8:19 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Mary/Richard...is this a tag team?

If so Mary is better looking.

"Hansen notes that in determining responsibility for climate change, the effect of greenhouse gas emissions on climate is not determined by current emissions, but by accumulated emissions over the lifetime of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. By this measure the U.K. is still the largest single cause of climate change, followed by the U.S. and Germany, even though its current emissions are surpassed by the Peoples Republic of China."
10/20/09 @ 8:57 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
The Waxman-Markey bill would force electric utilities to buy wind turbines and solar panels from manufacturers like GE, making energy generation more costly.

Consumers would also be coerced into buying expensive GE “smart meters” and “smart appliances“ that allow local utilities to control home appliance use.

In a political fundraising letter to employees, GE said, “The intersection between GE’s interests and government action is clearer than ever… we must also make sure that candidates who share GE’s values and goals get elected to office… we were able to work closely with key authors of the Waxman-Markey climate and energy bill, recently passed by the House of Representatives. If this bill is enacted into law it would benefit many GE businesses.”

Steve Milloy, publisher of JunkScience.com and author of "Green Hell: How Environmentalists Plan to Control Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them."
10/20/09 @ 9:18 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
As opposed to the oil hell that we live in now.
"Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming."
"Monday, the American Petroleum Institute held its annual meeting in Austin, Texas. Chief executives from oil giants Exxon Mobil, BP America, ConocoPhillips and Chevron were all in attendance. The executives declined to speak to reporters, but American Petroleum Institute officials renewed their opposition to climate change legislation. API CEO Jack Gerard said the industry has, quote, “a lot of education to do” in convincing Americans to oppose mandatory emissions cuts."

Err,ah make that a lot of brainwashing to do.

Like for instance, did you know that when they were selling the Iraq war, they had this girl go in front of congress weeping about babies being taken out of incubators and left to die on the floor, but she was really the daughter of the Saudi ambassador and the whole thing was fake! And she was coached by an American PR firm on how to be a believable liar.
Well, I think you get my drift here.
Like polluting doesn't hurt and affect the earth in a big way....come on.
10/21/09 @ 6:30 am
possee [Member] writes:
http://www.etalkinghead.com/archives/iraq-war-funds-mishandled-2007-04-30.html

As of 2003 GE had a government contract in Iraq worth $10,600,007,101. In a list of the 100 biggest defense contractors the company is ranked number seven. GE was involved in so many fraud cases that the government set up a special investigations office specifically for the company in the Pentagon’s Defense Contract Management Agency. GE was indicted on 22 criminal counts.

http://knowmore.org/wiki/index.php?title=General_Electric_Company
General Electric is the financial backer of WorldCom, the telecom company whose massive fraud and creative accounting led to the largest bankruptcy in US history
10/21/09 @ 6:48 am
possee [Member] writes:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/does-the-afghanistan-war_b_187157.html

The current cost of the war in Afghanistan is $2 billion per month and will most likely increase by 60% this year.
Barack Obama is seeking $83.4 billion in additional 'emergency' funding for the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which, if approved, would bring the 2009 funding to around $150 billion and the overall costs of the two wars to nearly $1 trillion."

Ironically,Obama,as a senator, was a harsh critic of the Bush administration..
Moreover, this latest request by President Obama is in addition to the $534 billion military budget his administration recently unveiled. That budget was for fiscal 2010 and was an increase over the last Bush administration military budget from 2009.

For mega-corporations such as Halliburton, KBR, DynCorp and Blackwater, which still operate in Afghanistan and are some of the nation's largest military contractors, war equals profit.

An increase over Bush's military budget?
Halliburton, Blackwater?
I thought this was ended..hope..change?

posse
10/21/09 @ 6:49 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
What has that got to do with polluting the earth, air and water?
GM pollutes? Yes it does. So do all the oil companies. GM is corrupt? So are the oil companies.
We are looking for clean energy.
Looking to change the way we do things.
Somebody has to do it.
What do you suggest? Leaving things as they are?
Or find an uncorrupt company that can do the job?
Is there such a thing?
What do you expect....Capitalism corrupts. Breeds greed and irresponsability.
You're the one who's all for it, not me.

10/21/09 @ 6:51 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
And I think your last post just proves what someone said...the Pentagon has taken over the reigns of power in the American gvt.
10/21/09 @ 6:52 am
possee [Member] writes:
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is spending $4 billion this year alone on "road-building" activities in Afghanistan, with that same amount or more pledged in 2010. And $2 billion of American taxpayer money has already been spent constructing facilities for the Afghan army and police forces, with another $1.2 billion budgeted for this year.

Now, the Obama administration has voiced its intention to expand U.S. military efforts in Pakistan as well. President Obama is currently seeking as much as $3 billion over the next five years to train and equip Pakistan's military, in addition to $7.5 billion in civilian aid.



Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/does-the-afghanistan-war_b_187157.html
10/21/09 @ 6:58 am
possee [Member] writes:
bitter

Check out GE ,the new green energy boys and what thet've been up to..hmmm.
http://www.cleanupge.org/gemisdeeds.html
10/21/09 @ 7:07 am
possee [Member] writes:
bitter

http://understory.ran.org/2009/04/04/greenhypocrisy/

The irony of the “green” movement of US companies is that many of the firms that spend the most money and public relations effort trying to show the government, the public, and their shareholders that they are trying to improve the environment are also among the most prolific polluters in the country.

These firms often spend millions of dollars on advertising to support the way that their companies are perceived in the green world. But, hidden behind these efforts, each corporation on this list is a Herculean polluter. And, that fact points to a hypocrisy which is almost completely hidden from the public.

#1) General Electric (GE)

possee
10/21/09 @ 7:23 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
A letter to Obama, James and Anniek Hansen 1/1/09

"Now, with oil prices down, is when a hefty carbon tax should be added. In the future, when the price of gasoline again reaches and passes $4/gallon, most of this cost will be tax, staying in the country, spread among consumers, and driving our economy to a clean future. The public can understand this, if Barack explains it, and they will accept it, if there is 100% dividend."

Hallelujah, grabbing other people's money is the answer to everything.
Umm, umm, umm, Barack Husein Obama.

I do however, unlike the majority of tree huggers, agree with him on nukes.
10/21/09 @ 7:33 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
possee, is it really necessary to bring facts into the discussion?

Haven’t you heard? "The debate is over.”

Keep it up and your microphone will be shutoff.
10/21/09 @ 7:43 am
possee [Member] writes:
peter
Once the internet czar,fcc czar, and the other gulag counterparts are done, all microphones will be shut off..
you and I will be the first to go.

possee
10/21/09 @ 8:15 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
We,as only 4% of the Earth's population use 25% of the energy.
I completely agree that it's time we start sharing in the burden. Because as you know, SOMEONE has to pay.
And it's usually poor countries, poor neighborhoods, forgotten, disposable people who have to breathe the air of these pollution-spewing coal plants, drink the polluted water from the power plants, and watch their land brutalized and torn apart for the treasures that lie within.
I'm all for the carbon tax and the usage tax and whatever else makes us part of the solution rather than a continuation of the problem....and believe you me, I'm not a wealthy person who can afford it! But it's worth it to change the health and viability of this beautiful planet we call home. It's not about saving money, but saving the planet.
And I geuss we need to find different companies to do the work, if there are NONE In America that have any INTEGRITY....maybe Sweden, Finland, or Norway have some decent companies that can do the job.
Because if we don't do it now, once the republicans get back in, you can forget it.
10/21/09 @ 8:27 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
And posseee...I hardly doubt that you will be the first to go.....Bush daddy is still calling the shots with his 1st lt. Cheney....wasn't that evident at the kiss-his-ass celebration the other day?
And along with Iraq and Afghanistan, don't forget Israel, who we have been supporting for 60+ years.
The Military Industrial Complex has indeed accomplished it's goal.
But since that is like an entity on it's own, the most I am hoping for is a change HERE. In America.
There is no way to stop the MIC unless people just refuse to serve, Refuse to sign up. Refuse to go! Stop joining private mercenary firms. Stop working for contractors.
Stop screaming USA USA USA as you destroy nations.
I'm just hoping for a more humane life here...and so far, I'm seeing it.
Got a long way to go, but now, I see hope for it.
10/21/09 @ 10:13 am
r-five [Member] writes:
Obama's problem with Afghanistan is comparable to Johnson's problem with Viet Nam.

Johnson knew that if he allowed South Viet Nam to fall into the hands of the Communists, it would cause a domestic uproar that would endanger his "Great Society" programs--insofar as it would be further compelling evidence of his basic leftwing sympathies.

Obama faces the same situation insofar as there is a risk that excessive appeasement of the islamic movement could provoke a backlash here in the US that would, at best, endanger his "Blueprint for Change"--and, in a worst case scenario, could spark something approaching national insurrection.

R-Five
10/21/09 @ 11:17 am
balognasamich [Member] writes:
Yes, I agree. There are actually good reasons to kill people for oil. I'll get back to you after I take my SUV out to the break to toke up and think about exactly why.
Are you serious about Johnson? Were you just toilet trained, or do you think we are all stupid.
I mean, the dominoes are trying to get organized in my head over that one.
Obama is to Johnson as Oil is to Communism.
Oh yes, I understand. We were all so angry about the threat of Communism in the 60's.. kind of like we are scared about losing cheap oil? Can you help me on this one?
10/21/09 @ 11:36 am
r-five [Member] writes:
"Can you help me on this one?"

Nope.

Deal with it.

R-Five
10/21/09 @ 4:11 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"could spark something approaching national insurrection."

That I agree with. The propaganda media machine has it's systems all in place...Probably just waiting for the incident that will set them off on their True and Serious war against Obama.
You can almost feel it and see it...the way Limbutt and Beckles talk about him, the tone in their voices....they are real masters of psychological manipulation.
Wonder if the same PR firm coaches them as coached the phony testimony girl who was used to sell the Iraq war? Famous Washington firm.
Selling reasons for war. Selling reasons for insurrection....
I just hope Buttburger and Blubber-Boy lead the charge.
Now THAT would be funny to watch! ("wait Rush, wait!" "I have to catch my breathe!")
Funny? No really it's sad.
10/21/09 @ 5:27 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
bitter the Incubator-Girl PR scam was used to talk us into the EARLIER BushI Irag war in the early 90s... which of course wouldn't have happened if Poppy's ambassador April Glaspie hadn't've told Saddam, freshly re-armed thru Rumsfeld... that she had no prob with him invading Kuwait... my Bush Derangement Syndrome goes WAY back...
10/21/09 @ 8:04 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Oh my god, that's right! Stormin Normin Schartzkoff!!!
24 hr coverage on CNN.
The first war-by-tv.
And always that picture of Rumsfeld and Saddam shaking hands.

And come to think of it, PBS was the station that got me turned onto supporting the Saddam war. They had a whole series of shows on Saddam, and by the time they were done, I was all for getting him. And his sons.
Then, after 9/11, every time CNN showed clips of the towers coming down, they played that Enya song...'Who can say"...
Such manipulation!

****
And yes, this fury does go way back-
So when people say they are angry now, the response is:
"Where have you been?"
10/21/09 @ 8:46 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
"What the global warming deniers don't understand due to their basic ignorance of science..."

Once again anyone who disagrees with Richard is "ignorant".

How are you making out with all those names of competent climatologists, oceanographers and geologists?
10/21/09 @ 8:47 pm
possee [Member] writes:
bittersweet [Member]
In response to: The US Mission in Afghanistan is...?
"could spark something approaching national insurrection."

Coming soon to a theatre near you.

possee
10/21/09 @ 8:51 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Peter

At least when the "insurrection" starts, as offered by bitter, the moonbats won't be armed..a comforting thought.

possee
10/21/09 @ 9:09 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Not if "THEY" get us first possee.

Louis Farrakhan, moonbat extraordinaire, claims The N1H1 vaccine is a ploy to kill off the Earth's population.

"The Earth can't take 6.5 billion people. We just can't feed that many. So what are you going to do? Kill as many as you can," Farrakhan reportedly said during an event in Memphis, Tenn. "We have to develop a science that kills them and makes it look as though they died from some disease."

Only the ignorant will be deniers of this claim.
10/22/09 @ 5:56 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Gee that's funny. A lot of wing-nuts believed that Obama went to mexico to unleash the swine flu!
And It is also mentioned in the Protocols of Zion, and the Georgia Guidestones.
Also Prince Philip has been saying that for decades.
And let us not forget the genocide that is going on RIGHT NOW in Gaza. For that matter, what is any war, but population reduction?
And listen to what master manipulator Limbaugh just said...it's un believable!
He said Obama had a smear campaign and it is supported by the State-Owned Media,and any-time people say things he doesn't like, he smears them.
NOW I see where posters here get their info!!!
1. The whole of media is owned by 6 people. Not the State.
2. Dems have gone out of their way to be civil-Obama especially. If he fights back now, it's only about time!
Rush is the smear-master of all time. And his company has nothing to do with the State. It's big right-wing business.
Calling me a moonbat possee? Why, I thought you were fair and balanced. NOT. You have taken sides long ago.
And you can kill all the people you want. Fellow citizens. What then?
10/22/09 @ 6:34 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Why is Cheney on C-Span???
Talking at YET ANOTHER right -wing think tank?
Why is a former VP STILL acting like he's in charge?
Why is that crook not sitting in a prison cell?
Oh yeah...he's above the law. Our Constitution says so. Right?
10/22/09 @ 6:58 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
“Obama's War on Fox News has developed all the signs of an unwinnable quagmire.”

Call it what you like bitter but as Gertrude Stein so eloquently expressed in the poem "Sacred Emily", things are what they are in relation to the law of identity.

Anita Dunn, " The reality of it is that Fox News often operates almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party."

Rahm Emanuel, "It is not a news organization so much as it has a perspective."

David Axelrod, “And the bigger thing is that other news organizations, like yours, ought not to treat them that way, and we're not going to treat them that way."

Criticism is one thing, recruiting the competition is another.
10/22/09 @ 7:31 am
r-five [Member] writes:
What Wentworth neglects to mention in her opening post is the fact that, had the Bush Administration refused to take military action against the al-qaeda nests in Afghanistan, the fury of the People would likely have been turned on their own government.

And justly so.

R-Five
10/22/09 @ 7:47 am
possee [Member] writes:
bitter

moonbat..was referring to those lunatics who are against gun ownership verbatum,(but would use them against those who disagree)., thus "a comforting thought". and the 'insurrection'

Also, I am not Fox news(fair and balanced)..just an opionator like the rest of us here.
Those who believe in a cause, only in blind faith, are dangerous to us all.
Left, right, religious, etc..

As far as state owned media..let's look at the facts..
1.Jeffery Immelt..GE Using It’s Media Subsidiaries Like NBC And MSNBC To Rent-Seek On Cap And Trade
General Electric is heavily invested in carbon cap and trade. In order to make that investment pay off, the company needs Congress and President Obama to pass cap and trade legislation. So it’s little wonder that GE’s media subsidiaries at NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, etc. are 100% in favor of cap and trade.

Even to the point of having GE CEO Jeff Immelt on the air to propagandize for the policy.

possee
10/22/09 @ 8:03 am
possee [Member] writes:
Cheney's Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater are still in business, and still retained by the present Administration in Afghanistan.
"might be terrible times for so many companies suffering through a global economic meltdown, but in the war zone, there seems to be no recession in sight.
In fact, with “Obama’s war” in the expanding Afghanistan/Pakistan theater of operations revving up, there’s likely to be money to the horizon, bases to build, and ever more troops to supply. As it happens, the management of KBR, formerly a part of Halliburton and the main builder and supplier of American bases in Iraq and Afghanistan, is feeling in the pink."

http://getafghanistanright.com/?p=416

possee
10/22/09 @ 8:16 am
possee [Member] writes:
"To Amherst, via Guantanamo Bay
Town will consider welcoming detainees

Amherst leaders are backing a resolution offering the Massachusetts college town as a possible resettlement home for two Guantanamo detainees if they are released from the military prison.
The board voted 2-1 yesterday to endorse a warrant article filed on behalf of the two men by the group Pioneer Valley No More Guantanamos. The resolution would require approval from town meeting. It also calls on Congress to lift a ban on relocating former Guantanamo prisoners — even those cleared of wrongdoing — from resettling in the U.S.

After all, it was a professor at the University of Massachusetts in Amherst who said, “[The U.S.] flag is a symbol of terrorism and death and fear and destruction and oppression.”

At the same time, a man in Sudbury, Massachusetts has been arrested for plotting to blow up shopping malls in support of Global Jihad.
That should impress the UMass Admissions office."

Gregory of Yardale at October 21, 2009 8:49 AM
10/22/09 @ 9:07 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
The Bush administration lied us into war and in my strong opinion, were involved in 9/11. "The People" did not rightly turn against them at all!
They continued and continue to this day, to laud them as "hero's who kept us safe"!
Well dammit, if Obama is just like Bush, why aren't you lauding him as a "hero that's keeping you safe"?
"The U.S.] flag is a symbol of terrorism and death and fear and destruction and oppression.” --To many people on this earth, that is exactly correct. And well deserved.Deny it? Go ahead and try. Just look how you feel about this so-called Jihad plot.Or is it only Americans who get to fight back?
Later for the rest
10/22/09 @ 10:48 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
bitter says: "and in my strong opinion, were (Bush administration) involved in 9/11"

Tell me how the 9/11 hijackers who were in this country taking flight lessons, prior to Bush becoming President, could conspior with his administraion to carry out a 9/11 attack?
10/22/09 @ 11:28 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey bitter,

FOX NEWS is being lamb basted once again...LOL http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/ID/214277&start=196&end=331

White House makes 'enemies' of Bush allies -Wrath rains on Chamber of Commerce, insurers, banks

..."the adm. has attacked the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the ins. industry for opposing key administration objectives, has criticized the nation's largest banks and financial firms for outsized executive pay, and has tried to delegitimize the Fox News Channel by mocking its objectivity".

"The insurers, the chamber and other special interests had the run of this town for the last eight years. That's not true anymore," Mr. Pfeiffer said. "And they are reacting to the new reality."

"The Obama White House used Mr. Alexander's words to portray Republicans as obstructionist, a charge they have aimed at the GOP repeatedly.

many financial-sector officials are reluctant to openly criticize the administration's handling of their industry, preferring to do their heavy lobbying outside the purview of the media".

some saying..."FOX IS OVERLY CONSERVATIVE".(cont.)..
10/22/09 @ 11:31 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
You can google that question and spend days reading the answers. I'll just cite this one,from George Washington's Blog(see? They're so despicable,even HE'S speaking out from the grave!)
"The Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11 discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken **under orders from the White House**(confirmed here by the Co-Chair of the Joint Inquiry and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham; and see this Newsweek article)"
"The former president of Italy said that U.S. and Israeli intelligence services were behind the 9/11 attack, and that that fact is widely known by the intelligence services of all of the western nations."
Those are just 2 of a quadrillion other writings on the matter. And it can't be that they are all tin-foilers, can it?
Are you really more astute and intelligent than all of them?
10/22/09 @ 11:35 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Exactly right crusader!!!

They are only concerned with keeping everything as it is.
They fight every effort at reform with grand denials and huge mischarecterizations of the truth!(sorry about that spelling)

AND they use mirror-programming....they blame the opposition for the exact thing they are doing.
Despicable creatures masquerading as human beings. IMO
10/22/09 @ 11:36 am
crusader [Member] writes:
OMG...they need to be STRUNG UP..what's the matter you candy ass sissy's..afraid Mr. President will take your taxpayer pacifiers away...GO TO PRISON YOU ROTTEN SCUMBAGS! GET OUR STOLEN LOOT BACK, all the hundreds of billions you swindled from hard working taxpayers hidden in over 75 countries investigated and FOUND by the IRS!

"But privately, banks, credit card co.'s...say are unfair shots by the White House - accusing the president of EXAGGERATING Wall Street's FAILINGS (!) for political gain.

"The administration has clearly decided it's good politics to beat up the financial services industry, alleging that we're anti-reform and anti-consumer," said a financial services lobbyist.."In fact, the industry has long advocated for reform." HA!!

The lobbyist argued that discrediting Wall Street is "self-defeating" because it is "delaying the repair of trust in an industry essential to economic recovery, growth and job creation". FU! GET OUT! HIRE SOME COMPETENT PEOPLE WHO DON't ROB TAXPAYERS BLIND!

10/22/09 @ 11:50 am
crusader [Member] writes:
cont. "Mr. Obama in recent months has pushed an aggressive legislative agenda aimed at overhauling the federal financial regulatory system - AGAINST THE WILL OF Wall Street.

The president..traveled to the heart of the U.S. financial sector, NY - to deliver a tempered scolding to corp. execs, arguing they have a moral obligation to support greater oversight & restrictions on certain business practices GIVEN the nation's recent ECONOMIC T-U-R-M-O-I-L.

"It is NEITHER RIGHT nor RESPONSIBLE after you've recovered w/ the help of your govt to shirk your obligation to the goal of wider recovery," said Mr. Obama while speaking to financial services exes... Top Obama officials also sounded off over EXCESSIVE executive bonuses for co.s that RECEIVED federal BAILOUT money. adm. told reporters that it would be forcing the TOP SEVEN recipients of bailout dollars to dramatically slash pay for their top executives".

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/22/obama-whs-moves-raise-specter-of-enemies-list/

The Obama adm. should just cut our losses, fire the entire MOB BANKSTERS & be done!
10/22/09 @ 11:55 am
Mary [Member] writes:
Buzz: The questions concerning who was responsible for 9/11 number in the hundreds.
For starters: Why didn’t the FBI respond to notices from at least two flight school operators that some of their students were behaving suspiciously because they were only interested in how to maneuver big airplanes in the air and not about taking-off or landing them?
At least two of the hijackers were on a watch list to prevent them from entering this country. They apparently had no problems.
The hijackers all reserved their seats about two weeks ahead of time. Why didn’t the authorities ask the air lines to be on the lookout for people with Arab names making reservations in view of the fact that Bush had been personally informed that Al Quaeda planned to strike the US? Within minutes of the attack, the FBI was in court demanding permission to wire tap a number of people to see if they could glean info about the strike. How did the FBI know who these people were?
US response: Why weren’t fighter planes scrambled to intercept these planes the moment that the first plane was hijacked?
10/22/09 @ 11:59 am
Mary [Member] writes:
Buzz: Then there are questions posed by architects and engineers about whether the planes striking these buildings were enough to bring them down. Many of them say, “No.” A number of people have said that they heard explosions at the time the towers were struck. A third building collapsed that was not struck.
And why was the debris from the collapsed buildings shipped off to Japan rather than held to be examined?
10/22/09 @ 12:00 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,

As God is my witness...if I see every one of those rotten Ivy League scumbags go to jail, or at the very least, never hold a top exec job again, I would rather live in a cabin in Alaska than see them continue this filthy charade that has been orchestrated upon the American working class! I can't even watch the news because it makes me too angry!

The unbelievable arrogance, even after all they have done to create this economic collapse, to not agree to curtail these overly flagrant bonuses and salaries, even after getting OUR CHARITY in CORP. WELFARE CHECKS OF BAILOUT MONEY they refuse to RETURN, because congress is demanding they allow people to borrow for first home owners who more than qualify, (one couple lives in my house, so I know!..both are professionals make more than enough to qualify & are denied!) So lets forget for a moment about the homeowners accused of "using homes as ATM's", what do people say about the pull backs & cont. halt of credit to businesses who rely on it? DEAD SILENCE, eh? He is attempting to put us back on track and who the F are they to resist!
10/22/09 @ 12:36 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,

"The former president of Italy said that U.S. and Israeli intelligence services were behind the 9/11 attack, and that that fact is widely known by the intelligence services of all of the western nations."

I've suspected this early on. I worked with people of Jewish descent who spoke out in the work place, applauded Bush's efforts for invading Iraq after 911. Rumors ran rampant throughout the colleges, while students held protests and tensions grew among Jewish and Muslim students. Faculty is predominantly Jewish, as those in many positions who continue to influence our government officials. Who are causing the turmoil we see playing out in the White House, and are responsible for fighting Obama on just about every change needed for us to restructure our country. Our conflicts in the middle east stem from which country? They want us to go after Iran. Many people are afraid to speak out against Israel, but I am not. One segment on the Bill Maher show, (don't like him) is evident.

Watch this clip & tell what you think--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjYJ7bVeo0
10/22/09 @ 12:46 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Mary,

I can only direct you to this site which does a very good job at debunking the 9/11 conspiracies. You believe what you want to believe, your not alone.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
10/22/09 @ 12:47 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
In answer to Buzz' question, the week before 9/11, chief conspirator Mohammed Atta was seen gambling on a casino-boat off St.Pete owned by an Ambramoff crony who incidentally had recently bumped off the original ship-owner Gus Boulis... http://www.madcowprod.com/06202005.html
Notice that Buzz' question implies that 9/11 happened on Clinton's watch not Bush's... http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0203/S00118.htm
10/22/09 @ 12:47 pm
r-five [Member] writes:
"It is NEITHER RIGHT nor RESPONSIBLE after you've recovered w/ the help of your govt to shirk your obligation to the goal of wider recovery," said Mr. Obama

The obvious corollary to this beging that, if your employer accepted federal help, your terms of employment are not worth the paper they're written on.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091022/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama_executive_pay

R-Five
10/22/09 @ 12:51 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
For the tenth time, I WORK for Hearst. For that issue of POPULAR MECHANICS they canned the usual editor and got Michael'HomelandSecurity'Chertoff's nephew to put that article in the magazine... We were and are living in an ongoing Coup regime...
10/22/09 @ 12:59 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,

Who do you think dominates the Media Right and their war propaganda against Iraq & Iran? It is widely know that the Jews who own our media and banking industries dictate what we are doing in the middle east. I know Iraqi families who live in our area and I hear it from all different sides. I do not condone the slaughtering of human lives anywhere, but let us examine our close relationship with Israel, shall we? And take it from there. Every time someone mentions their influence over our decisions in the war against Muslims, we are silenced and accused of discriminating against Jews. I do not discriminate against anyone due to race, religion or ethnicity. I will however, speak out against anyone who is seeking to bring America into a war, we should never be a part of, because it's the agenda of the few. It is based on the self interests of the Israel government who has been working closely with our government for complete take over of all other Muslims nations and their hell bent quest for acquisition of oil and world domination. They dominate law, higher ed. & medicine.
10/22/09 @ 1:02 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
...now our govt. Healthcare reform--MEDICINE. Tort Reform--LAWYERS. Banking/Finance reform--HIGHER ED., Wallstreet thuggery. It's so obvious. Our govt. is in collusion with the Israel govt. and the media puts the lid on it. Why is everyone so blind?
10/22/09 @ 1:03 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
And bitter,

Let us not forget who Buzz's favorite news station is--FOX. I don't see a lot of OBJECTIVITY going on here, do you?
10/22/09 @ 1:05 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
"Rosebud"
10/22/09 @ 1:08 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Now Walker will attempt to dazzle us with his hieroglyphics...

Rosebud?
10/22/09 @ 1:15 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Citizen Kane.
10/22/09 @ 1:19 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
An ongoing Coup regime.....excellent.
And so very very true. And the "players" in that coup have been in place for quite a while. Starting sometime in the early 90's, with the beginning take-over of the Public Air waves.
With the on-slaught (sp) of Ruussshhh and the complete and total disrespect/demonization of the President of the United States...followed by the complete and total Canonization of Richard "go f yourself Cheney" as hero of hero's.
It's interesting, in the PNAC video, they make the claim that Bush actually didn't know of the actions on 9/11. It was all Cheney and his minions...which he operated behind Bush's back! As Michael Ledeen said: "Bush was elected president, and didn't really know why. On 9/11 he found out why."
And then he had no choice but to go along with the cover-up, as did they all.
And allegedly according to Russian Intelligence, Obama, who the secret service calls "renegade", is going after the Clinton/Bush/CIA drug cartel and all the off-shore ka-trillions they have stolen!
Very interesting times we live in!
And truth is inevitable. like it or not.
10/22/09 @ 1:25 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
crusader...couldn't access that link...but I know Maher doesn't believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
10/22/09 @ 1:29 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

Don't bother trying to argue with Buzz. He is a dedicated FOX listener and cannot be pursuaded (as hard as we ALL TRY)to contend otherwise, & anyone who dares speak out against the Israel govt. is an anti-semetic who loves Muslim terrorists. When in fact, there are just as many Israel terrorists, if not more, I contend.

I've seen the film and heard from the experts several years ago at a 4 hour discussion forum (they would be dismantled and discredited if brought out into the open) study of witnesses/experts who can prove it was a conspiracy and cover up. But the American people are not allowed to see the evidence for themselves, even when over 500 witnesses, including firemen and police officials who many have acquired serious illnesses caused by the asbestos leached out from the implosions of the WTC. The commissions study has been challenged as well, but do you see anything coming out? No, because to do so, would mean revealing our steadfast allegiances to Israel and they can't let the American people know because we would turn against them and our govt.
10/22/09 @ 1:47 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,

This is the title of the YouTube segment on the Bill Maher show--you can find it by googling:

"ISRAEL is NOT WORTH A SINGLE AMERICAN LIFE OR DOLLAR" (midway through the interview with Michael Scheuer, author of "Marching Toward Hell", former head of CIA, Bin Laden unit)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjYJ7bVeo0Q

Maher thinks it is US DUTY & OBLIGATION to fight the MUSLIMS for ISRAEL. He's an idiot & should go live in Israel if his allegance is to them & not the US. I don't like this war & have been out spoken against it. Battles in the middle-east are centuries old. We have no right to meddle. The UN should have mustered up enough testicular fortitude & intervened--parceled out land to all fighting nations. BUILD WALLS if necessary. To Israels defense, I believe their people, as Muslims have a right to have their own land. I've had debates about this w/ a family member who was in the Army & now works for our govt., (can't say which branch). He contends it's complicated. I insist it's not. Too many have been exploiting in the name of $ and power, US does damage!

10/22/09 @ 2:00 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
I see Israel as the bully who won't stop until Iraq is just a pile of sand and rubble. We are responsible for putting Saddam in power and then murdering him, because he wouldn't go along with invading Iran. There are other forces going on behind the scenes that they will not tell you about. If you have satellite broadcasting, Al Jeezera along with BBC will make you understand the collusion of destruction which is going on. Thanks to networks like FOX and others we don't even get half the news that is going on in the world. They're too busy showing us continued bullshit stories about little boys in balloons! What a complete travesty. No wonder the rest of the world hates our government. Don't you get it? What's it going to take? You know the answer. Why do you think Wallstreet thuggery was harvesting billions into OFFSHORE accounts? They sold us out, hello? Bush has land in Paraguay, more oil conquests. W.Buffet invested in enormous swaths of acreage in Brazil. You think that is all for recreation? It's called, cut and run when it gets too hot, people. Conserve & hold tight, not over.
10/22/09 @ 2:11 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
So where do the truthers stand in regard to the second shooter on the grassy knoll theory?

How about the Apollo 11 Hoax?

Just asking?
10/22/09 @ 2:34 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Something interesting about paraguay:
"The Jesuits perfected the tenets of Communism on their reductions in Paraguay, for 150 years, from 1600-1750.
Phelps: A reduction is a commune. In Israel they would call it a kibbutz. In Joseph Stalin’s Russia they would call it a commune. In New York they call it a village. In France, Paris, they called it a commune. It’s communal living where everybody is equal in their finances, in the labors; you have no great, no small, no rich, no poor—everybody is small, and everybody is poor, and everybody is controlled by a dictator. That’s the essence of Communism.
The Jesuits, on the reductions in Paraguay, which were the communes, had a central bank, and it was "each according to their ability and each according to their need". And so, the Guarani Indians that were the subjects—and there were some 200,000 of these South American Indian natives who were slaves of the Jesuits, putting their goods into world commerce and trade. They were living under the tenets of Communism, perfected by the Jesuits, as outlined in Plato’s Republic and Sir Thomas Moore"
10/22/09 @ 2:36 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
regarding 9/11:
“[Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr.] explained to me [Lavello] that, ‘many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. ‘There were definitely bombs in those buildings,’ he told me.”
10/22/09 @ 2:37 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Cheney was in charge of NORAD that morning. Bush daddy is Knight of Malta.(the jesuit connection)

MORE conspiracy!!!!!
10/22/09 @ 2:47 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
omg....also, Nazi's re-located to S. America under Operation Paperclip!!!
10/22/09 @ 2:52 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
Nice attempt at linkage, PW... 'Nice try' as Karl Rove would say. The Bushies had a packaged and beribboned Conspiracy Theory out for public consumption by late afternoon... much of it hingeing on finding one of the highjacker's wallets lying in the street... Lying being the operative word... Coup coup ka-joob.
10/22/09 @ 3:02 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Sorry Ned, just making a light reference to Billy Hearst, guess it didn't fly.

And yes bitter, how could I forget Dr. Josef Mengele and the Fourth Reich?
10/22/09 @ 3:45 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Neddy,

The wallet from the sky of fallen debris & massive whirlpool of ashes manages to land in tact and in the hands of our immaculate FBI, got to love it! You nail it everytime, Neddy!
10/22/09 @ 4:02 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Not to mention this:
"A mix-up in Boston prevented the luggage from connecting with the plane that hijackers crashed into the north tower of the trade center. Seized by FBI agents at Boston's Logan Airport, investigators said, it contained Arab-language papers revealing the identities of all 19 hijackers involved in the four hijackings, as well as information on their plans, backgrounds and motives."
Hmmm, the smoking gun on a silver platter?
And this:
"Shafig Bin Laden, who had attended a Washington, DC meeting of the Carlyle Group at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Boston on the morning of September 11 (George H. W. Bush and James Baker were present at the same meeting the day before)"
So, A Bush and a Bin-Laden were in Boston around 9/11, and 2 of the planes took off from there?

10/22/09 @ 4:02 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Walker,

Grassy knoll theory- war dogs once again in collusion with Johnson's CIA.
10/22/09 @ 6:50 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Ned writes: "that issue of POPULAR MECHANICS they canned the usual editor and got Michael'HomelandSecurity'Chertoff's nephew to put that article in the magazine"

That's fine Ned, now that you got that off your chest, tell us what part of their findings you don't agree with?
10/22/09 @ 7:01 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/22/cia_invests_in_software_firm_monitoring
"Wired magazine has revealed the investment arm of the Central Intelligence Agency has invested in a software firm called Visible Technologies that specializes in monitoring social media sites, including blogs, Flickr, YouTube, Twitter and Amazon." Buzz, I'd ask you, but not even you could tell me... Where does FoxNews end and the CIA begin?
10/22/09 @ 7:05 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"2009 Truth Statement

We STILL Want Real Answers About 9/11
September 11, 2009

On August 31, 2004, Zogby International, the official North American political polling agency for Reuters, released a poll that found nearly half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of those in New York state believe US leaders had foreknowledge of impending 9/11 attacks and "consciously failed" to act. Of the New York City residents, 66% called for a new probe of unanswered questions by Congress or the New York Attorney General. Since that time, multiple professional polling organizations have obtained similar results in polls conducted nationally and internationally.

In 2004, 911truth.org assembled a list of notable Americans and family members of those who died who signed (see that list of signatories, below) a 9/11 Statement, calling for "immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."

http://www.911truth.org/page.php?page=2009_truth_statement
10/22/09 @ 7:05 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Ned writes: "Where does FoxNews end and the CIA begin?"

Ned, funny enough I can answer that... in your mind:)
10/22/09 @ 7:07 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
(from link, cont.)

On the eighth anniversary of 9/11, in spite of Americans having elected the "other" party in hopes it would deliver on its promise of a change in direction, we find ourselves asking these same questions and encountering the same resistance to transparency. The ensuing wars have destroyed countless lives, our civil liberties (including habeas corpus) are in tatters, posse comitatus is history, and our economy lies essentially in ruin. Meanwhile, thousands of 9/11 responders who rushed to stand with America in its time of need are now sick -- many dying -- from the exposure to toxins at Ground Zero, receiving inadequate medical help or compensation in return. Because this issue is as relevant as the day we issued this Statement in 2004, we now offer again the opportunity to endorse this call for answers, and join with those who have already taken a stand.

Within the last month, one of these original 12 questions has finally been answered:

Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced..
10/22/09 @ 7:15 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
cont. "Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bush-appointed judge?
Where is the national outcry we would expect had it been top story reported by the media, "liberal"or "conservative?

Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?

Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in TENS of MILLIONS of dollars of TRACEABLE GAINS?

How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants and flight schools they were known to frequent? Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta..."
10/22/09 @ 7:17 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
AMY GOODMAN: So, explain how Visible works. You talk about how it crawls over half a million web 2.0 sites a day... And then, how do people protect their privacy? NOAH SHACHTMAN: Well, first they protect their privacy by not tweeting or not blogging. I mean, that’s the way they would have to protect their privacy, or to do it within a closed password-protected system. If you leave it out there, not only is the government going to read it, but Microsoft and Google just signed deals with Twitter and Facebook yesterday, where all the—all your tweets and all your blog updates will be very easily searchable by either Microsoft’s Bing search engine or by Google. AMY GOODMAN: What’s the deal? NOAH SHACHTMAN: The deal is basically that all your Facebook updates will be sort of fed into Microsoft’s new search engine, and people will be able to see what you post on Facebook or Twitter, or what have you. JUAN GONZALEZ: And, of course, for the CIA, given the recent reports of how tweets and other social networking are used around the world to give advance notice on popular insurrections...
10/22/09 @ 7:24 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
"AMY GOODMAN: Noah Shachtman joins us here in our firehouse studio. He broke the story. He’s a contributing editor at Wired and editor of “Danger Room,” the magazine’s national security blog.
OK, lay it out for us, Noah. What did you find? NOAH SHACHTMAN: So, the CIA, in 1999, set up an investment arm called In-Q-Tel that sort of makes investments in technologies that the spy agencies would like to see grow. And their latest investment is in this company called Visible, which basically takes blog posts and takes Twitter updates and takes comments on YouTube videos and sort of sorts them out and decides which people have the most weight in the blogosphere, which people are the most influential, and also filters out, you know, certain key words, decides whether certain posts are hostile or positive. And it’s basically a way for them to sort of keep track on what’s going on in Twitter, on the blogs, etc., etc. JUAN GONZALEZ: And who does this firm normally supply this information to? NOAH SHACHTMAN: Usually to companies like Microsoft. Right now they’re tracking the buzz..." Ahem...
10/22/09 @ 7:27 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
HA!..Neddy, you've done it again Sherlock.

Wonder who invented the software? FoxNEWS/Media and the CIA are ONE ENTITY...censorship and distortion, Neddy, they are pro's. Except that not all of us are asleep at the switch as they would prefer us to be. So when do you think the truth will be out about 911 and reasons for all the Wallstreet thuggery? Well, we are all still waiting to hear who killed JFK, and it's only been 48 years, so what's another 50 years? After they are all safely off to S.America with the rest of the Nazi brigade counting their billions, we may find out or not. And I think Bernie Madoff may have been investing in the war efforts along with some of his clients. How many do you think are still sending millions of dollars to Israel to keep the war going? Think about that while our US born heros are dying and returning home with missing limbs, suffering from PTSD and other horrors that are life lasting. How much is the war making for those corporations? Have they reached the trillion mark, yet? They thought it would be easy to fight the Muslim world, what chumps.
10/22/09 @ 7:33 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
We ARE very near the trillion mark, I heard yesterday...
10/22/09 @ 7:41 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Ned,

Why hasn't the CIA come for YOU yet? It's the disguise... the hat, isn't it? They can't find you.
10/22/09 @ 7:46 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
They don't want him. They have no need for him. Conspiracy theorists are a dime a dozen. If they take him, they have to take bitter and crsader too.

Actually, that may be a blessing.
10/22/09 @ 7:48 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Maybe if Buzz played his cards right, he invested in GE, Halliburton and Black Water Securities. Just keeping everyone in collusion, that's the major plan. If they profit from the war, they won't care so much how many are slaughtered. Is that it, Neddy?
10/22/09 @ 7:53 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
"Given that social networks, particularly Twitter, have quickly evolved into conduits for breaking news about civil unrest, terrorist attacks and other major events, it’s a no-brainer to think that the C.I.A. would want to invest in an existing listening platform, or perhaps license the technology to create one of its own."


And Neddy thought it was all about him.

Hey Ned, know who Visible Technologies competition is? Buzzlogic
10/22/09 @ 7:54 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Oh, but forget about those stocks that are not publicly traded. They save those for the important people who make millions overnight. You and I, we get shitty mutual funds that make about 5% if we are lucky. Did the Dow boast it was UP? Oh, did everyone jump on the band wagon to buy up all their viable stock options. Hurry, quick, I smell another ponzie scheme brewing on the Wallstreet Barbe'...anyone for seconds? What? You don't want an extra helping of empty, worthless stock options--say it isn't so...we are doing so well now, but tomorrow brings no guarantees. Insider trading is our best defense, against anyone making a mint off a stock, time to get the Wallstreet Casino spinning again, throw your bets down on the table folks, we have a winner! The house TAKES ALL! Sorry, maybe next time.
10/22/09 @ 7:55 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru says: "if Buzz played his cards right, he invested in GE, Halliburton and Black Water Securities"

Do you ever have a point or do you just like to hear yourself talk?

10/22/09 @ 7:57 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Ned
Coming from a family with the NSA/State Dept former employ, I am aware of the cryptic technologies you commented on.
This information is now antiquated compared to the tech that is now in place, as all tech info is relegated to public awareness usually 25 years after the fact.
They filter all media buzz and only question serious code buzz words and statements.
Obviously, we don't pose any threat at all..it's just speculation and discussion, not overt,subsvervsive plots.
When my family member, now deceased, visited us, after his visit, we were always visited by 2 agents who did the usual investigation to my parents..
Did."..." reveal any information that may pose a threat to the security of the United States of America?'blah blah blah.
I remember it well as a young pre teen and teenager as I was relegated to my room..but always listened.
My mom, always hated it when he visited, knowing the crap she'd endure after the fact.

possee
10/22/09 @ 8:00 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey karen,

Why don't you go ask Manso when his lame book will be out. You never did answer that burning question: What percentage of the book proceeds has he promised his enemies or friends? I bet Flook did the same, but we know who her favorites are, right? Do something useful for a change. Your ongoing mantra is as dull as you. How are those "woring people" you know so well? Give us more of those Freudian slips.
10/22/09 @ 8:01 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
possee,

So Ned's paranoia about the CIA coming after those who comment negatively about news organizations holds no credibility? I'm shocked.
10/22/09 @ 8:06 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

It's obvious you hold that position, since you must always go in for an attack--whether it be me, Neddy, or bitter. I just would like to know since you are so PRO WAR, hold zero accountability to the WAR DOGS from the Bush administration, don't care how Obama is continually attacked by your favorite TV show, FOX Network.
10/22/09 @ 8:09 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Buzz
You know perfectly well that the average citizen has nothing to fear from the CIA OR NSA..it's government (congress and white house)policies that inflict pain, taxes, rules, regulations,fees, and propaganda that entice, seduce, and manipulate the populace, along with cooperation,and payoffs with multinational corps to affect their agenda.
The NSA and Cia are not concerned with us.
They have Bigger fish to fry.

possee
10/22/09 @ 8:10 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru,

I really don't know what the hell your talking about and don't really care.

However, you did provide me with some comedy relief when you said to karen... "Your ongoing mantra is as dull as you."

Coming from YOU, I laughed my ass-off. If I can't fall asleep at night... i just read your posts. You should bottle that... "Take Cruex tonight and sleep, sleep, sleep"
10/22/09 @ 8:11 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
buzz you don't Get It. Chatham IS 'The Village'... and I'm boo-hooin' like Patrick McGoohan...!
10/22/09 @ 8:12 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
possee,

Well, there you go. Ned is no "average" citizen... he's "above average." He's got real reason foe concern, my bad.
10/22/09 @ 8:16 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
That means they must have a "Village Idiot".
10/22/09 @ 8:17 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
INSLAW-PROMIS, Danny Casolaro, (The Octopus, c1996)a journalist found dead in his bath tub, "a dozen deep gashes in his wrists, but there was nothing indicating what had made the cuts..a shoelace was tied around the corpse's neck...two plastic wastebasket liners floated in the tub. Abbey Hoffman also went digging around.....Leo Damore...suicides? Ya, okay. Maybe they were driven to it.
10/22/09 @ 8:19 pm
possee [Member] writes:
crusader

Like it or not, Obama is a tool, puppet, that has the same agenda that Bush had in place.
Halliburton, KBR, and Blackwater are still in place ..still receiving govt contracts...if you read my prior posts..it's still all a ruse..
Same policies, different show, same policies..just worse!
To even remotely buy into a new face promising change?when all the power players are still running the show..please....
Did you think , for a moment, that the bankers,military complex, and, multinationalist corps, and globalists would disappear once OB got in office?
He's one of their own..just like Bush..

Except, he's pushing a more radical approach approved by the aforementioned.
Bush, and Clinton, helped legislatively, to lay the groundwork.
Welcome to the brave new world..




possee
10/22/09 @ 8:35 pm
possee [Member] writes:
and you know damned well. I do not buy into the gop nor dnc propaganda.
If any of you even watched Fox, you'd understand that their agenda is what all the other media Used to do..question the government.
Instead, the rest tow the line and kiss the states ass.
I watch, read ,all political and media outlets

What happened to all those who questioned authority and now worship the political left and right?
Have you all sold out and kiss their ass as well?
The godamned govt created this mess,all of em.
And the one media outlet that questions them, is now attacked..just like good ole Nixon..

Then get in line, and worship the almighty state..of confusion .

At least Fox has the testicular fortitude to nail , and question all the parties..despite the GOP apologist Hannity.
And now, even some other networks are finally starting to question.
At least watch, and listen to all points of view, then make up your own mind..don't let the state do it, and tell you who's right.

possee
10/22/09 @ 9:16 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
So possee, do you believe that Obama went to Wall Street to preach about pulling the plug on their bonuses and over paid salaries, or is that all BS, too? Maybe they think they can run, but they can't hide. Living in S.America is not living in US. You can pay people for protection and hide in secluded villas, but guess what--when someone wants to find you for looting your stock portfolio, you can and will be found. Some guy went to prison for running a ponzie hedgefund among the sports arena. He was found dead in prison. Nobody knows how.
10/22/09 @ 10:08 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey Neddy,

Didn't take long for the Bush Adm. to go after this guy for his work in exposing their quest to drill while raping the pristine ocean/land. Now, they try to silence the academics. This won't fly well with the literary rebels.

"University of Alaska Scientist Rick Steiner Loses Federal Grant Funding After Criticizing Oil Industry"...(Democracy Now)http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/22/university_of_alaska_scientist_rick_steiner

University of Alaska professor Rick Steiner says he’s lost his federal grant funding for being an outspoken critic of the oil industry. For years, Steiner has criticized what he considered irresponsible actions by the oil industry, beginning with the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill. Last week, a university lawyer rejected a claim to overturn a decision to pull Steiner’s $10,000 grant from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, known as NOAA. In its decision, a university lawyer wrote if a recipient of grant funding “uses his position and his time to, for example, advocate for or against a particular development project...."
10/22/09 @ 10:08 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
buzz to quote yourself, Do you ever have a point or do you just like to hear yourself talk? I think I told that exact McGoohan joke last year and you gave the exact same reply. Anyway I work for the original at least, not the imitator so neener neener neener. possee if you're going so far as to say that the NSA has backward-engineered Roswell spyware that Radio Shack won't sell 'til 2034... then all bets are off~ that makes it MORE LIKELY that 9/11 was a domestic black op. I am unable to recall your official position on that~ Truther or not?
10/22/09 @ 10:19 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Ned says: "I think I told that exact McGoohan joke last year and you gave the exact same reply"

That's just me being consistent.... was the joke funnier last year?
10/22/09 @ 10:40 pm
Ned [Member] writes:
AUTHOR: Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803–1882)
QUOTATION: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
ATTRIBUTION: Essays. First Series. Self-Reliance.
The 'Sage of Concord' was a Unitarian minister and an Abolitionist...not a Fox type o' guy...
10/22/09 @ 10:55 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
The thing I find really interesting is that they are so blatant and even sloppy about it..is that by design?
Because somebody got rich by put-up options on 9/11.Somebody got 2 trillion from the feds, and if you read Matt Taibbi's article in The Rolling Stone, somebody royally screwed Bear Stearns and got rich there too.
It's almost as if someone or ones is saying..Here I am, come and get me. And ten-to-one, it's all the same somebody! And what you say makes perfect and obvious sense possee. And all the writers I've followed for years say the same thing...but I just have a feeling in my gut that's different.
I have hope and optimism about what's going on. So sue me! Call me a fool, naive, stupid...I don't care!
I think Obama is a mad genius and I think Obama has a LOT of support from within the gvt. who despise the former regime for what they did to our country.
And all of Cheney's appearances and attempts to re-write history, or cheapen the absolute horribleness of it will not work. Palin will not work.
Fox will not work. Because IF they were sincere,we'd have heard it years ago.


10/22/09 @ 11:02 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
HA!...you always come up with the greatest lines, well deserving Neddy...

"money given to you by the rest of us hard woring people that continue to fuel the economy"...bet she would know, LOSER.

"Whoa~ a little Freudian Slip from the Mistress of Desistress... Worin' is hard; Pimpin' ain't easy!! The Friendly Folks at ACORN tried to help and look where it got 'em... Stung"!!

Laughing my ass off for days on that one, Neddy. She never did answer my questions....Still waiting to hear about that lame book and when it's due out. I will be surprised if those within the halls of JUST-US will allow it to go as a paperback Enquirer, doubtful, unless of course they too will get a cut on the action. Nothing would surprise me anymore when or how low some with stoop for the almighty dollar. They think it buys them freedom and happiness...HA! more chumps. Everyone's got hands out. They will find out soon enough.

10/22/09 @ 11:18 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,

I read somewhere that Bear Stearns had to fail so Goldman Sachs would be on top. Remember, our treasury secretary appointed Goldman Sachs exec's to govt. positions, one congresswoman had questioned it and not something he (Geithner) denied. Think it was on one of roman's posts and the main theme was that slowly, but surely, they will accrue wealth by taking over other investment companies and banks, thereby shrinking competition and having only one large global corporate enterprise running the world economy. Someone said, "but why Lehmann Brothers, Bear Stearns, they were solvent companies..."...reply, "because Geithner and his buddies at Goldman Sachs were in position to take over...
10/22/09 @ 11:31 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Ahhh, well there's a clue crusader! The Somebody might be a somebody at Goldman Sachs!!!
10/22/09 @ 11:39 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter, some sterling quotes by the man they adore: "I've been trying to figure out how Bob Dole's luggage got on my airplane...I told the doctor, I said, 'Look, I'm worried about the next election.' A misunderstanding." --after he was detained by custom officials for possessing Viagra with a prescription made out in someone else's name

"I am addicted to prescription pain medication." --in 2003

"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."

"She's actually a very smart cat. She gets loved. She gets adoration. She gets petted. She gets fed. And she doesn't have to do anything for it, which is why I say this cat's taught me more about women, than anything my whole life." --on his cat

"She sounds like a screeching ex-wife." --on Sen. Hillary Clinton

"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

"The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them."

"I know these people like I know every square inch of my glorious naked body." --on Democrats UGGG!
10/22/09 @ 11:42 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Rush fans...there's more, knock yourselves out:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/rushlimbaugh/a/limbaughquotes.htm

Political Humor? NOT
10/23/09 @ 12:51 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Today, President Obama signed the Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act into law, which authorizes Congress to approve the VA health care budget at least one year in advance. I was there at the White House today with the nation's leading veterans groups who represent all generations of veterans to witness this historic moment. With the President's signature, timely, predictable funding for veterans' health care will become the norm, VA Secretary Shinseki will be set up for success, and the VA will be forced to become a more proactive department. With today's signing, the days of massive GI Bill backlogs and playing politics with the VA budget should be gone forever.
--Paul RieckhoffExec. Director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA)

***yet another thing that is just so right. Hope and Change AT HOME. HERE, in the USA.


10/23/09 @ 12:57 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"We are the ones we've been waiting for"--Obama, quoting a Hopi Elder.
10/23/09 @ 7:22 am
r-five [Member] writes:
Wentworth contends that "the operation in Afghanistan should be shut down because it is in violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions"

Irrespective of the accuracy of this observation, it is a clear fact, that a proportion of the People do not--and will not--accept the proposition that national self-defense ought to be subordinated to the determinations of "international law" or "interational public opinion".

The State faces serious domestic consequences if it is seen as going too far in its appeasement of the islamist movement.

R-Five

10/23/09 @ 7:44 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Since when is the Federal gvt. "The State"?
Since Obama got elected?
How convenient!
Gee, geuss we just shift labels with the GOP wind don't we?
It's like waking up to new rules. Now "war is bad". "dissent is good"."asking questions is not traitorous".
How very damn convenient.
Mind telling me why you give yourselves more freedoms than the rest of us shlumps?

And I think you are wrong. Or at least half wrong.
We will face serious consequences if we keep appeasing the Zionist movement in Israel.

Bitter-Sweet











10/23/09 @ 8:37 am
r-five [Member] writes:
bittersweet asks:
Mind telling me why you give yourselves more freedoms than the rest of us shlumps?

R-Five:
Mind showing me where I have written anything implying that you "shlumps" are entitled to any fewer freedoms than I?

R-Five
10/23/09 @ 8:44 am
r-five [Member] writes:
PS. As a matter of courtesy, I try not use profanity to characterize other posters, and I'd be grateful if you did the same.
10/23/09 @ 8:49 am
possee [Member] writes:
r-five

A question ..

Do you believe that Bush, and prior administrations, paved the way for our current demise.. and that Ob has taken the ball and accelerated it?

possee
10/23/09 @ 9:28 am
r-five [Member] writes:
In terms of overall national direction?

Or with specific respect to the matter of the jihad?

R-Five
10/23/09 @ 9:35 am
possee [Member] writes:
overall direction and policies..
10/23/09 @ 9:36 am
Mary [Member] writes:
r-five: In response to my writing that the war in Afghanistan should be shut down because it violates international law, you state: Irrespective of the accuracy of this observation, it is a clear fact, that a proportion of the People do not--and will not--accept the proposition that national self-defense ought to be subordinated to the determinations of "international law" or "interational public opinion".

Well, international law has been put in place precisely to prevent emotional responses from “people,” especially before the facts are known.This was not a matter for “national defense.” If that had been the case, the United Nations would have supported our going to war against Afghanistan. The attack was orchestrated by a GROUP, not a NATION. The nation of Afghanistan did not attack us with their military forces. And we are now engaged in questioning to what extent our own government was involved in this attack.
10/23/09 @ 9:36 am
possee [Member] writes:
jihad by whom?

possee
10/23/09 @ 10:08 am
r-five [Member] writes:
Possee asks:
Do you believe that Bush, and prior administrations, paved the way for our current demise.. and that Ob has taken the ball and accelerated it?

R-Five:
So far as I am concerned the root causes of our present National crisis go back at least 40 years--and that the policies and principles of both parties in that time period are to blame.

R-Five
10/23/09 @ 10:37 am
r-five [Member] writes:
Mary wrote [in part]:
This was not a matter for “national defense.” If that had been the case, the UN would have supported our going to war against Afghanistan.

R-5:
Regardless of whether or not that would have been the case, a proportion of the People simply will not accept the authority of the UN to determine matters of national self-defense

Mary:
The attack was orchestrated by a GROUP, not a NATION.

R-5:
Very true.

Mary:
The nation of Afghanistan did not attack us with their military forces.

R-5
Also true. The Taliban regime, however, was offered the opportunity to deal with the situation by shutting down al-qaeda camps and surrendering al-qaeda personnel.

They did not accept this offer. So far as I am concerned, I could otherwise care less whether the Taliban takes over.

Mary:
And we are now engaged in questioning to what extent our own government was involved in this attack.

R-5:
The main point stands--should it be found that Cheney himself pushed the plunger, it's the Nation's right to respond accordingly.

R-5
10/23/09 @ 10:43 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"we are now engaged in questioning to what extent our own government was involved in this attack."

And that is the crux.
Because you can say "all presidents do it", "all parties are to blame"... NO! We are talking about a specific cabal of people who took over this gvt.,(election via Supreme Court),and may have committed the biggest Treason possible for a gvt. to committ! And we know who they are. At least the perifery.
Murdering you own people cannot be reduced to "paving the way for our current demise".
And I think they know it too.
10/23/09 @ 10:47 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Mary,

The majority of members serving the UN are comprised of a bunch of flaming idiots. If we had strong members who supported anti-war efforts, we wouldn't be in this mess. They continually cry and complain of the US war machine, but where have they been, Mary? Why haven't they stopped the war dogs?
10/23/09 @ 10:53 am
crusader [Member] writes:
911 attacks were put in place to start the war on oil. I really think it's that simple. They knew congress and the American people would never agree to a war, otherwise.

The only question you need to ask yourself regarding any case that continues to remain buried in the murky waters of unknown truths--

Who had the most to gain?

There lies your answer. Who has got the guts to tell us?
10/23/09 @ 11:09 am
Mary [Member] writes:
r-five: The Taliban know very well who built the training camps and created Al Quaeda. These were phony demands ponied up for domestic consumption. The Taliban were “paying the price” for not finalizing the oil agreement, but we didn’t know that and were not supposed to know it.

But there is a history, stretching back over those forty years that you mention, that should give us pause before we run the flags up the poles. And that is that we here in the US have been tricked into fighting WW II, the Korean War, Vietnam, the Gulf War, and now these two.
10/23/09 @ 11:22 am
Ned [Member] writes:
Yeah but we won that one in Grenada and sort of won Desert Storm even though that ditzy April Glaspie caused it in the first place. Oceania Rules the Waves... it's the Desert it has a Problem with.
10/23/09 @ 11:52 am
Mary [Member] writes:
Well, Ned, in regard to Grenada. We were tricked into sending troops there, too. The excuse was that American students at a medical school there were in danger. The real reason is that we wanted to prevent construction of an airport under the aegis of the New Jewel Movement that would accommodate large commercial planes that could up the tourist industry. My comments about trickery are not about winning or losing, but about how our leaders persuade us to trash other places and people.
10/23/09 @ 1:37 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Mary writes: "We were tricked into sending troops... excuse was American medical students were in danger.... real reason to prevent construction of airport that could help the tourist industry"


Where to begin? The "bloody" coup that took place was by the Marxist regime that overthrew the government killing President Bishop, members of his cabinet and dozen others. The "airport" was a commercial grade airport capable of handling military jets providing a threat not only to the U.S. but Caribbean nations as well.

Nice job Ronnie.
10/23/09 @ 2:25 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Don Rojas:
"The Reagan administration had been conducting a very organized and concerted campaign of political, economic, diplomatic destabilization of the Bishop government, the revolutionary government of Prime Minister Maurice Bishop, from the time Reagan came into office. The justification for the invasion, as articulated by President Reagan, I would say, was full of lies and distortions and falsifications. Reagan attempted to confuse the American people and the world by claiming that the Grenadian government was in fact building that the Soviet and Cuban military base in the Caribbean region. That was totally false. Also by using the fact that there were American medical students on the island, claiming that their lives were threatened by the Grenadian authorities. That was totally false."
10/23/09 @ 2:25 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"I can tell you that in the period before the invasion during the time of the internal coup d’état that had killed Maurice Bishop, when the entire country was under a lockdown curfew, and no one could have left their homes in Grenada, the only persons freely walking about the beaches of the country and the streets of the city were the American medical students."
10/23/09 @ 2:30 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"Maurice Bishop was attempting to empower the Grenadian people, a people who had a long history of slavery followed which British colonialism, followed by independence in 1974. Five years after formal independence from Britain, Maurice bishop attempted to begin a social experiment to empower the Grenadian people, to involve them in the decision-making that would affect their daily lives. To bring a popular form of democracy to a country that had for, as I said for centuries, had been under the thumb of foreign rulers, in this particular case, the British. Maurice Bishop’s vision for Grenada was of a small country standing tall and proud in the Caribbean region, and in the world community."

NOT ALLOWED!
10/23/09 @ 2:42 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Not sure what Afghanistan and Grenada have in common. Having visited Grenada four times in the last five years I was impressed.

First thing in the AM you see beautiful children walking to school with their uniforms on. Well behaved and polite. In the marketplace the locals are genuinely friendly.

And my British friends who live there say it is far better for all the locals since Bishop. He was a Marxist. And they lived there before and after his control.
10/23/09 @ 2:56 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bitter,

Continue your though... what happened to Maurice Bishop?
10/23/09 @ 3:00 pm
possee [Member] writes:
maverick

What are you doing between 5 and 6 pm this evening?

possee
10/23/09 @ 3:16 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
possee...just got back home from the Cape.

Had an offshore charter yesterday and sent some happy folks from Fla. home with 150# of blue fin tuna. Both steaks and sushi.

Please give me a call or email me at info@maverickchartersltd.com

Thanks,
Jack
10/23/09 @ 3:49 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"He was a Marxist"

And what would you call Reagan?
10/23/09 @ 3:51 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Not my thoughts buzz...Don Rojas...he was there, I wasn't.
10/23/09 @ 3:56 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
"And what would you call Reagan?"

A patriotic American who loved all of the people who made this country great.

The fact that he had a problem with "gimmee gals" should not be held against him.
10/23/09 @ 3:57 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
buzz says;
"the Marxist regime that overthrew the government killing President Bishop"
maverick says Bishop was a Marxist.

Which is it?
10/23/09 @ 3:59 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Oh he had no problem with gimme gals....as long as their incomes were 6 figure and up.

The regular working people? He "cut their allowance."

10/23/09 @ 4:17 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bitter asks: "Which is it?"

Answer: Both. His military had a radical group that split and overtook his goverment.... he was a Good Marxist.
10/23/09 @ 4:19 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
bitter...Buzz is Buzz and Maverick is Jack.

You can find me at Allen Harbor in Harwich Port or on Arcadia Road in Hope Valley.

No secrets. Just a lot of honesty with the guns to back it up.

When is your next Detroit flight to go get my money? Sorry Jack, dats my money and dems my people.
10/23/09 @ 4:32 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Ned, Richard, bitter, cru,

This ones for you!

http://www.politico.com/click/stories/0910/fox_head_could_make_run.html
10/23/09 @ 4:34 pm
possee [Member] writes:
buzz

First of all, it's a Fox news feed, therefore the aforementioned would never dare to venture..blasphemy!!!

possee
10/23/09 @ 4:41 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Is there some reason you are always bringing up your guns maverick?
You sound like you are always itching for a fight. bang bang shoot shoot
And "your" money would be pretty hard to identify...mixed up as it is with everybody else's in this vast country.
And I'm from Michigan....never heard anyone talk like that. Where'd you get that stereo-type? Ruuussshhh the magic blow-hard?

So, a Marxist military kills a Marxist president, and we are involved why? There are numerous accounts that the students were in no danger at all....their parents even wrote to pres Reagan and told him so!
So obviously there was another reason to do it.
Same old boogey-man right?
The Hated Left.
And Reagan? Steadfastly on the Right.
10/23/09 @ 4:42 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
Aisles for Pres...Rush for VP.

Nice to see that the Rush quotes were fabricated by the left sleaze bags.

Why did CCToday participate in that crap?
10/23/09 @ 4:42 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Not blasphemy possee...just bullshit.

buzz...did you ever wonder how politico was all of a sudden "the"
place for news?
Sudden rise, just like the Buttburger Twins.
10/23/09 @ 4:42 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Please be informed of the following..

Due to the serious nature's discussed here, I must take some time out to get my talking points from 5-6pm on that talk radio channel..as our dear leader described.
Once indoctrinated,and full of anti government rhetoric, I will return refreshed and invigorated with propaganda..

possee
10/23/09 @ 4:49 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bitter asks: "So, a Marxist military kills a Marxist president, and we are involved why?"

So you can continue to blog freely without fear of retribution.... until this site is put on Obama's enemy's list.
10/23/09 @ 4:49 pm
possee [Member] writes:
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Not blasphemy possee...just bullshit.

My sentiments exactly.it's all bullshit
especially from pennsylvania avenue.

maverick..check out oathkeepers.org on the web, you gun totin bang bang shoot shoot sob!

possee
10/23/09 @ 4:53 pm
possee [Member] writes:
maverick, buzz, r-five
This one's for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40&feature=related

possee
10/23/09 @ 4:55 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
possee,

Please make sure your TV is facing Mecca.
10/23/09 @ 4:55 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
possee...sorry to leave you but Glenn B is calling.

We will survive. As long as we have more ammo than bitter.

bitter will be leading the new chapter of Acorn here on the Cape.

bitter...can I apply for one of your consultant positions? I know all about tax evasion, hookers and drug addiction.

And as a bonus I am honest. Might that help me?

Not a chance. Application denied.
10/23/09 @ 5:07 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"I know all about tax evasion, hookers and drug addiction."

You work for the GOP?
Better call Perry then. ALTHOUGH, I happen to like him as a human being. He is an idealist, just like Benjamin Fulford. And we need more of them.

And you want me to believe that Grenada was keeping the United States from freedom? Sheeesh, you SHOULD work for Fox. That's bullshit too.

And I'd be happy to lead ACORN here. But I'd be highly unqualified to do much more than clean their offices.
Unless they're hiring big mouths. But then, plenty of us here would foot that bill. PLENTY.

Well, anyone want bets on Blubber-Boy shedding some tears tonite?
OR coming up with some devious Marxist Plot to overthrow this gvt.? OOOPS...that's YOUR domain, isn't it?

10/23/09 @ 5:21 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
And what would you call Reagan?

The Great One.
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