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Truth, Justice and The American Way, Or Pearls Before Swine
10/22/09 · 1:59 pm :: posted by Richard
Truth, Justice and The American Way, Or Pearls Before Swine
My country right or wrong: when right, to be kept right; and when wrong, to be set right.
-Senator Carl Schurz, R., Missouri
The never ending battle for truth, justice and the American way.
-Superman Comic Book, cover slogan
Here are a few observations which, as a center-liberal Constitutionalist, I believe contain great wisdom and insight as to the proper role of government, the duties of an informed citizenry and our true path toward peace, justice, the common defense and our general welfare.
-The purpose is clear. It is safety with solvency. The country is entitled to both.
-The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without.
-Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
-I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it.
-In most communities it is illegal to cry "fire" in a crowded assembly. Should it not be considered serious international misconduct to manufacture a general war scare in an effort to achieve local political aims?
-Peace and justice are two sides of the same coin.
-There is no glory in battle worth the blood it costs.
-This world of ours... must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.
-Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace.
-Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose.
-We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.
-When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it.
-Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
-The clearest way to show what the rule of law means to us in everyday life is to recall what has happened when there is no rule of law.
All of my topical posts in this series touch on one or more of these basic ideas, and I believe they all contain an essential wisdom that is necessary for America to attain peace and justice, first for ourselves and then, by our example rather than force and the hollow rhetoric of those who advocate force, for the rest of the world.
The most significant question we face in America today is whether the 18th Century ideals, derived from the European Enlightenment and written into the Constitution of the United States of America, can survive as we proceed into the 21st Century, or whether those ideals will continue to devolve, under the divisive right wing demagoguery that permeates our public media, into nothing more than a comic book slogan. Do you agree, or am I just casting pearls before swine?
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10/22/09 @ 3:36 pm
John [Member] writes:
Right on!! You sound more like a conservative, far from a centrist. Are we on track for Socialism based on what you've said? So, who do we send to Congress next time around?
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j. madden [Member] writes:
Richard, you say at the outset the country is entitled to both safety and solvency. Indeed. But, it can be a bewildering search for the individual to secure either or both. There is no mystery. It's easy to get what you are talking about yet the struggle by people and there families to form a community in hopes of having safety and solvency will always be a formidable challenge. As Alan Greenspan said on the recent PBS Frontline show: I have forty years believing in a single economic point of view (Do not interfere with or regulate the financial markets); and, it was all I could understand. I now understand I was wrong (not a quote but how I remember his remarks before a Senate committee). Collectively, as a nation, the challenge becomes a much bigger maze. The individual is at the mercy of the political leaders and their ideology. Their failure has been on an enormous scale in recent years.
whalerick [Member] writes:
I agree with all you have said, but realizing that there are others in the world who do not want peace with us and who would threaten our peace and way of life. Hence I would trust, but verify (to paraphrase one of the great leaders of our time, though you may disagree).
possee [Member] writes:
Richard
So the right to dissent from repubs is ok, but 'honest dissent" from dems and repubs is..?
I have dissented from the current system for 40 years, especially against Nixon, and now Obama.
The predecessors,and nominees,such as Truman, Eisenhower,JFK, HHHumphrey, were all anti big government,anti miltary establishment,anti fed reserve, and warned us of the consequences of those powers to be and, were correct.
To be blinded by any politician and his words is folly..actions are what dictates dissent, especially when promised change, and nothing but lies delivered.
At least the prior candidates called upon the citizens for their resolve,and belief in the principles of the Constitution, and allowed their respective resolve to flourish.
Eisenhower warned of the miltary complex in the 50's as a 4 star General.
We now are in the age of international bankers,the complex,international corps, dictating policy while the strings are pulled, and accepted by the candidates and congress.
To beleive in the demagoguery(my favorite line)of the GOP or DNC is dangerous.
possee
So the right to dissent from repubs is ok, but 'honest dissent" from dems and repubs is..?
I have dissented from the current system for 40 years, especially against Nixon, and now Obama.
The predecessors,and nominees,such as Truman, Eisenhower,JFK, HHHumphrey, were all anti big government,anti miltary establishment,anti fed reserve, and warned us of the consequences of those powers to be and, were correct.
To be blinded by any politician and his words is folly..actions are what dictates dissent, especially when promised change, and nothing but lies delivered.
At least the prior candidates called upon the citizens for their resolve,and belief in the principles of the Constitution, and allowed their respective resolve to flourish.
Eisenhower warned of the miltary complex in the 50's as a 4 star General.
We now are in the age of international bankers,the complex,international corps, dictating policy while the strings are pulled, and accepted by the candidates and congress.
To beleive in the demagoguery(my favorite line)of the GOP or DNC is dangerous.
possee
Buzz [Member] writes:
Richard writes: "under the divisive right wing demagoguery that permeates our public media"
Is there a "left wing demagoguery" as well? You know, like MSNBC, CNN, NBC, NY Times, Time magazine, Boston Globe, NPR, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Bill Maher, or are they also the "right wing" you refer too?
Is there a "left wing demagoguery" as well? You know, like MSNBC, CNN, NBC, NY Times, Time magazine, Boston Globe, NPR, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Bill Maher, or are they also the "right wing" you refer too?
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Buzz,
Do you remember the term "moral equivalency" that was used a lot during the Cold War?
This was where the communists and communist supporters equated the dirty deeds of the communist powers with our dirty deeds. Examples:
Our overthrow of Iran = Stalin's overthrow of all of Eastern Europe
U.S. poverty = millions of starvation deaths in Mao's Cultural Revolution
Don't get me wrong: Those equivalencies were never stated explicitly. However, whenever you tried to point out the incredible evils of the communist side, liberals always mentioned our problems and bad deeds as if they were equivalent.
And the problem was that, since there was no defined measuring stick for government evil, they got away with this.
Why do I mention this? Because that's exactly what people are doing when they act like the commentators on MSNBC and CNN are equivalent to Limbaugh, Beck and company.
You can get away with this because there's no defined measuring stick to compare pundits.
But reasonable people know what you're doing.
Do you remember the term "moral equivalency" that was used a lot during the Cold War?
This was where the communists and communist supporters equated the dirty deeds of the communist powers with our dirty deeds. Examples:
Our overthrow of Iran = Stalin's overthrow of all of Eastern Europe
U.S. poverty = millions of starvation deaths in Mao's Cultural Revolution
Don't get me wrong: Those equivalencies were never stated explicitly. However, whenever you tried to point out the incredible evils of the communist side, liberals always mentioned our problems and bad deeds as if they were equivalent.
And the problem was that, since there was no defined measuring stick for government evil, they got away with this.
Why do I mention this? Because that's exactly what people are doing when they act like the commentators on MSNBC and CNN are equivalent to Limbaugh, Beck and company.
You can get away with this because there's no defined measuring stick to compare pundits.
But reasonable people know what you're doing.
possee [Member] writes:
Buzz
Dead on fact!
The problem with the democrat worship religion, is that they vilify any belief system that even questions their belief system.. like the Crusaders, whom they vehemently depsise, who attacked, and tried to destroy, all belief systems juxtaposed to the almighty state..the vatican.
Sound familiar?
Thing is, we question all systems, and are still vilified even after we point out the facts and agenda of both.
possee
Dead on fact!
The problem with the democrat worship religion, is that they vilify any belief system that even questions their belief system.. like the Crusaders, whom they vehemently depsise, who attacked, and tried to destroy, all belief systems juxtaposed to the almighty state..the vatican.
Sound familiar?
Thing is, we question all systems, and are still vilified even after we point out the facts and agenda of both.
possee
Buzz [Member] writes:
dk,
Do you need quotes from Maher and Olbermann? Would that be helpful?
Bill Maher: "But I've often said that if I had -- I have two dogs -- if I had two retarded children, I'd be a hero. And yet the dogs, which are pretty much the same thing -
Do you need quotes from Maher and Olbermann? Would that be helpful?
Bill Maher: "But I've often said that if I had -- I have two dogs -- if I had two retarded children, I'd be a hero. And yet the dogs, which are pretty much the same thing -
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Buzz,
Go back and read my posts from a couple of days ago. I gave whoever I was debating Maher and I said that I dislike Olberman too: he's not a news guy - just high octane entertainment.
But, do you seriously equate Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Coulter and the other worst pundits on the right with the worst on the left?
If so, you're engaging in a game of equivalence.
And it's impossible for me to prove that you're wrong because there's no definitive measuring stick for comparing.
If you can't see that there's MUCH more bile, venom, and lying from the top pundits on the Right then I've just gotta consider you to be deaf I guess.
Go back and read my posts from a couple of days ago. I gave whoever I was debating Maher and I said that I dislike Olberman too: he's not a news guy - just high octane entertainment.
But, do you seriously equate Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Coulter and the other worst pundits on the right with the worst on the left?
If so, you're engaging in a game of equivalence.
And it's impossible for me to prove that you're wrong because there's no definitive measuring stick for comparing.
If you can't see that there's MUCH more bile, venom, and lying from the top pundits on the Right then I've just gotta consider you to be deaf I guess.
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
A pearl is a rarity and many are the swine.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
possee,
If you check out my posts in response to you, I mainly make substantive arguments against your positions. I don't think that I vilify you unless you do that to me first.
You've gotta be careful that you don't confuse disagreement with vilification.
But then I don't think you've ever debated substance with me. Rather, you skip the substance and leap to calling me names.
I'll be interested to see if this post causes you to call me a name.
If you check out my posts in response to you, I mainly make substantive arguments against your positions. I don't think that I vilify you unless you do that to me first.
You've gotta be careful that you don't confuse disagreement with vilification.
But then I don't think you've ever debated substance with me. Rather, you skip the substance and leap to calling me names.
I'll be interested to see if this post causes you to call me a name.
Buzz [Member] writes:
dk,
I'm not deaf, I guess I just hear differently than you. Why don't you give me an example from Limbaugh and we can discuss it?
I'm not deaf, I guess I just hear differently than you. Why don't you give me an example from Limbaugh and we can discuss it?
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Buzz,
Last spring, a camera on a school bus filmed a bunch of black kids beating up a white kid. Limbaugh must have spent 10 minutes on this. I'm paraphrasing, but he said things like:
- So this is Obama's post-racial America, huh?
- Of course, libs are saying that the kid deserved it because he was racist. Well, I guess he must be: He's white!
It was really incredible. As if the election of a black president was supposed to eliminate ALL such instances the day after inauguration. And nobody on either side of the aisle justified the beating because the white kid was racist.
Limbaugh makes this stuff up from whole clothe every day of every week. I've never seen anybody twist daily events to distort the way he does.
He ranted on this for a full 10 minutes and probably distorted it in 5 other ways too that I can't remember.
Despicable.
Last spring, a camera on a school bus filmed a bunch of black kids beating up a white kid. Limbaugh must have spent 10 minutes on this. I'm paraphrasing, but he said things like:
- So this is Obama's post-racial America, huh?
- Of course, libs are saying that the kid deserved it because he was racist. Well, I guess he must be: He's white!
It was really incredible. As if the election of a black president was supposed to eliminate ALL such instances the day after inauguration. And nobody on either side of the aisle justified the beating because the white kid was racist.
Limbaugh makes this stuff up from whole clothe every day of every week. I've never seen anybody twist daily events to distort the way he does.
He ranted on this for a full 10 minutes and probably distorted it in 5 other ways too that I can't remember.
Despicable.
Buzz [Member] writes:
dk,
Limbaugh's transcripts are posted on the internet. You can find them and when you do, it will help you put his comments in perspective as opposed to taking them out of context as you've done here.
He was referring to a cover article in Newsweek Magazine blaming us all of being racist.
Limbaugh's transcripts are posted on the internet. You can find them and when you do, it will help you put his comments in perspective as opposed to taking them out of context as you've done here.
He was referring to a cover article in Newsweek Magazine blaming us all of being racist.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Buzz,
I did you one better: I watched the rant on video. My abject apologies that I can't quote from it chapter and verse 6 months later.
Thanks, however, for the very weak defense of Rush. It helps demonstrate my point about equivalence. You're a master.
Watch the video!
I did you one better: I watched the rant on video. My abject apologies that I can't quote from it chapter and verse 6 months later.
Thanks, however, for the very weak defense of Rush. It helps demonstrate my point about equivalence. You're a master.
Watch the video!
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Actually Buzz, let me clarify something so that you can't pick at it:
I can't remember if it was a video or an audio clip. I heard the ridiculous rant, however.
I can't remember if it was a video or an audio clip. I heard the ridiculous rant, however.
Buzz [Member] writes:
dk,
Is that it? No more Limbaugh quotes? I thought he "made this stuff up from whole cloth every day of the week"? No need to go back 6 months. Today's fine, yesterday's fine or tomorrow will do as well.
By the way, I don't listen to Limbaugh very often, at least apparently not as often as you, so when you hear something you object too... pass it on.
Is that it? No more Limbaugh quotes? I thought he "made this stuff up from whole cloth every day of the week"? No need to go back 6 months. Today's fine, yesterday's fine or tomorrow will do as well.
By the way, I don't listen to Limbaugh very often, at least apparently not as often as you, so when you hear something you object too... pass it on.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
This morning...5:30 am when he gets his daily minute of one-sided propaganda with no one there to tell the other side. Which then continues on into the day and night until 1:00 am when George Noory comes on. By the time the day is done, you are ready to kill Obama and the democrats, let me tell you. And you have heard umpteen million times what great Americans the republicans are.
Anyway, this morning, he says Obama controls the State-Owned Media and whenever anyone insults him, Obama launches a smear campaign.
Now this is so ridiculous it's not even on the reality meter. Is Rush on drugs... again? Does he listen to his own show? Oh yeah...he might not be able to hear himself think, that is true...but still. What kind of double-speak, upside down even far removed Limbaugh Logic is that? I mean, the jaw drops in incredulity.Boy, if he had any balls, they'd be brass. But since he opted out of the military, he's just a wimp, right guys?
Business Conglomerates own the media, not the State. And Obama has been way too lenient on his attackers, not the other way around.
Rush is a phony.
Anyway, this morning, he says Obama controls the State-Owned Media and whenever anyone insults him, Obama launches a smear campaign.
Now this is so ridiculous it's not even on the reality meter. Is Rush on drugs... again? Does he listen to his own show? Oh yeah...he might not be able to hear himself think, that is true...but still. What kind of double-speak, upside down even far removed Limbaugh Logic is that? I mean, the jaw drops in incredulity.Boy, if he had any balls, they'd be brass. But since he opted out of the military, he's just a wimp, right guys?
Business Conglomerates own the media, not the State. And Obama has been way too lenient on his attackers, not the other way around.
Rush is a phony.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
In 1987 at Cornell University, a special conference entitled The Iroquois Great Law of Peace and the U.S. Constitution, 200 scholars examined a lost and forgotten origin of the U.S. Constitution. Convened by the North American Indian Studies Program, this gathering reviewed historical and scholarly evidence that the oldest democracy on Earth isn't the U.S.A., but rather the Six Nation Confederacy of the Iroquois.
The Iroquois Confederacy existed centuries before the U.S. Constitution was written. Historians, anthropologists and traditional chiefs addressed the proposal the U.S. Constitution was based on the Iroquois Great Law of Peace rather than on Greek democracy, as is commonly believed and taught.
"Modern democracy was first established here, and is not the evolutionary result of European political theories. The modern age of democracy had its origin in the vast recesses of this continent, and from here it spread throughout the world. American democracy owes its distinctive character of debate and compromise to the principles and structure of American Indian civil government.
The Iroquois Confederacy existed centuries before the U.S. Constitution was written. Historians, anthropologists and traditional chiefs addressed the proposal the U.S. Constitution was based on the Iroquois Great Law of Peace rather than on Greek democracy, as is commonly believed and taught.
"Modern democracy was first established here, and is not the evolutionary result of European political theories. The modern age of democracy had its origin in the vast recesses of this continent, and from here it spread throughout the world. American democracy owes its distinctive character of debate and compromise to the principles and structure of American Indian civil government.
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." - Matthew 7:6
So Richard, do you now believe you are the mediator of the New Covenant?
Are you now asserting that you possess such a superior intellect that the unwashed minions who disagree with you are incapable of understanding or appreciating your “essential wisdom”? Evidently any opposing point of view is simply not viable or even worthy of consideration.
In comparing your writings to the Sermon on the Mount, who exactly do you equate yourself to?
Pretty haughty statement counselor.
So Richard, do you now believe you are the mediator of the New Covenant?
Are you now asserting that you possess such a superior intellect that the unwashed minions who disagree with you are incapable of understanding or appreciating your “essential wisdom”? Evidently any opposing point of view is simply not viable or even worthy of consideration.
In comparing your writings to the Sermon on the Mount, who exactly do you equate yourself to?
Pretty haughty statement counselor.
possee [Member] writes:
Peter
When one questions deity, and self- annointed ones, one must be humble in the mere presence of the all knowing, all seeing, all acting, all wise , eternal.
Non believers will be cast out, and silenced.
Non believers are minions of the dark one and his predecessors, as the new light is above reproach and should be worshipped unequivocally.
possee
When one questions deity, and self- annointed ones, one must be humble in the mere presence of the all knowing, all seeing, all acting, all wise , eternal.
Non believers will be cast out, and silenced.
Non believers are minions of the dark one and his predecessors, as the new light is above reproach and should be worshipped unequivocally.
possee
possee [Member] writes:
dk
At what comment did I ever mention you, vilify you, or your comments?
Unless you include yourself in the new dnc religion, which I doubt.
possee [Member] writes:
Buzz
Dead on fact!
The problem with the democrat worship religion, is that they vilify any belief system that even questions their belief system..
I would add, the republican belief system has imploded..deservingly so..
Again another reason for my dissension from existing systems in play.
The gop wraps itself in religion, the dnc wraps itself in statism, all the while for self perpetuation of religious power...all nonsense!
possee
At what comment did I ever mention you, vilify you, or your comments?
Unless you include yourself in the new dnc religion, which I doubt.
possee [Member] writes:
Buzz
Dead on fact!
The problem with the democrat worship religion, is that they vilify any belief system that even questions their belief system..
I would add, the republican belief system has imploded..deservingly so..
Again another reason for my dissension from existing systems in play.
The gop wraps itself in religion, the dnc wraps itself in statism, all the while for self perpetuation of religious power...all nonsense!
possee
Ned [Member] writes:
Didn't Rush go deaf for a while from mixing Oxycontin and Viagra? His Viagra bust happened on the way back from the Dominican Republic... he'd gone with Abramoff and some pals who'd promised there was a super-hooker there who could make even Rush potent. She may've put him in a Dominican Headlock that busted his eardrums...
Buzz [Member] writes:
Ned,
I know he lost his hearing, did he loose his sense of taste too?
I know he lost his hearing, did he loose his sense of taste too?
tadthebad [Member] writes:
dk,
All due respect, but your "equivalence" argument is based on taste. For me, the liberal talkers you mention are just as vile as Limbaugh given their distaste of relying on facts. Both sides contribute to the problem, and one is no better than the other.
All due respect, but your "equivalence" argument is based on taste. For me, the liberal talkers you mention are just as vile as Limbaugh given their distaste of relying on facts. Both sides contribute to the problem, and one is no better than the other.
maverick [Member] writes:
j. madden [Member] writes: "The individual is at the mercy of the political leaders and their ideology. Their failure has been on an enormous scale in recent years."
You make it sound like these leaders inherited the throne from their parents. You a**holes elected these bastards and now the rest of us have to live with it.
I love Cape Cod. It's the voters I have a problem with.
PS...support Christy. An honest political leader.
You make it sound like these leaders inherited the throne from their parents. You a**holes elected these bastards and now the rest of us have to live with it.
I love Cape Cod. It's the voters I have a problem with.
PS...support Christy. An honest political leader.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Buzz,
You're showering me with weak defenses of Rush. I am not about to devote significant time to listening to Rush today or reading today's transcripts. And hiding behind the fact that I won't do that to prove your point is weak. Very weak.
What do you think about what Rush said about the Bus incident?
You're showering me with weak defenses of Rush. I am not about to devote significant time to listening to Rush today or reading today's transcripts. And hiding behind the fact that I won't do that to prove your point is weak. Very weak.
What do you think about what Rush said about the Bus incident?
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey Buzz
Maybe dk listens to Limbaugh, but I don't have the stomach for that. So I read about his bloviations, both quotes and analysis and then check it out on line at youtube or other video sources to get it from the horses-asses' mouth. Only in small doses though because it's really toxic shhtt.
Maybe dk listens to Limbaugh, but I don't have the stomach for that. So I read about his bloviations, both quotes and analysis and then check it out on line at youtube or other video sources to get it from the horses-asses' mouth. Only in small doses though because it's really toxic shhtt.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
possee,
You've called me names numerous times. I don't think you've actually debated an issue with me on substance once.
YOu didn't say that I vilified you, but what way you've called me names for no good reason in the past I assumed that you were including me.
You've called me names numerous times. I don't think you've actually debated an issue with me on substance once.
YOu didn't say that I vilified you, but what way you've called me names for no good reason in the past I assumed that you were including me.
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey, Ned
What makes you so sure those creeps went to the Dominican Republic to go to a cat house? There's lots of places closer and cleaner, like Las Vegas where it's even legal in some counties.
I mean, when unmarried guys like that go overseas together to third world countries for sex it's usually not for sexually mature women, is it?
What makes you so sure those creeps went to the Dominican Republic to go to a cat house? There's lots of places closer and cleaner, like Las Vegas where it's even legal in some counties.
I mean, when unmarried guys like that go overseas together to third world countries for sex it's usually not for sexually mature women, is it?
Richard [Member] writes:
Now, petey
Are you criticizing me for quoting scripture without attribution -more "plagiarism" perhaps? Well, in every Christian church I ever belonged to, including Unitarian, Episcopal and now Congregational, they taught us to spread the word of Jesus -the good news!
So what kind of "conservative" are you that criticizes someone for simply repeating Jesus' teachings. I believe most of the sentiments I expressed in this post are a lot closer to what Jesus would say than, oh, Dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh -a lot closer to Obama, too, for that matter.
Are you criticizing me for quoting scripture without attribution -more "plagiarism" perhaps? Well, in every Christian church I ever belonged to, including Unitarian, Episcopal and now Congregational, they taught us to spread the word of Jesus -the good news!
So what kind of "conservative" are you that criticizes someone for simply repeating Jesus' teachings. I believe most of the sentiments I expressed in this post are a lot closer to what Jesus would say than, oh, Dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh -a lot closer to Obama, too, for that matter.
Richard [Member] writes:
Possee wrote:
The problem with the democrat worship religion, is that they vilify any belief system that even questions their belief system..
Uh, poss baby, where were you when the GOP controlled congress under the leadership of Tom Delay excluded the minority Democrats from all meaningful debate on legislation and policy?
And I suppose you believe that the hard core right wing media hacks welcome opposing views from callers on their rant radio programs.
It really used to be different, when real conservatives like W.F. Buckley would engage liberals openly on live television, without a kill button, and liberals like Susskind, for example, would do the same with conservatives.
Those days are long gone, of course, now that the corporate elite have bought up all the public broadcast licenses and allow only "fair and balanced" programming like on Fox TV with its crew of right-wing hatchet men.
The problem with the democrat worship religion, is that they vilify any belief system that even questions their belief system..
Uh, poss baby, where were you when the GOP controlled congress under the leadership of Tom Delay excluded the minority Democrats from all meaningful debate on legislation and policy?
And I suppose you believe that the hard core right wing media hacks welcome opposing views from callers on their rant radio programs.
It really used to be different, when real conservatives like W.F. Buckley would engage liberals openly on live television, without a kill button, and liberals like Susskind, for example, would do the same with conservatives.
Those days are long gone, of course, now that the corporate elite have bought up all the public broadcast licenses and allow only "fair and balanced" programming like on Fox TV with its crew of right-wing hatchet men.
Buzz [Member] writes:
dk/Richard,
First dk.... so "my" point is weak? You're the one that said..."(Limbaugh)made this stuff up from whole cloth every day of the week" I ask for specifics, you mention his comments about an incident on a bus.... I direct you to his transcript that puts it in to context about a cover article in Newsweek, that by the way, had many critics... and your only comeback is "my point is weak"?
Wake up Richard and dk, he's a commentator.... an entertainer. No different than Joy Baher, Whoppi Goldberg, Bill Maher, John Stewart, Keith Olberman.... if you don't like him, don't listen to him or tell Obama you want him put on the "Enemy List" as well.
First dk.... so "my" point is weak? You're the one that said..."(Limbaugh)made this stuff up from whole cloth every day of the week" I ask for specifics, you mention his comments about an incident on a bus.... I direct you to his transcript that puts it in to context about a cover article in Newsweek, that by the way, had many critics... and your only comeback is "my point is weak"?
Wake up Richard and dk, he's a commentator.... an entertainer. No different than Joy Baher, Whoppi Goldberg, Bill Maher, John Stewart, Keith Olberman.... if you don't like him, don't listen to him or tell Obama you want him put on the "Enemy List" as well.
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
"Are you criticizing me for quoting scripture..."
Since you brought it up dick, as Bill Buckley, who incidentally was a close personal friend of Ronald Reagan said,
“I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.”
Since you brought it up dick, as Bill Buckley, who incidentally was a close personal friend of Ronald Reagan said,
“I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.”
possee [Member] writes:
Condescension is your forte.
It always goes back to the GOP over and over and over again.
The GOP is totally hapless and ineffective now.
Or is Bush /Cheney pulling OB'S and fOX?
Hmm..let's digress for a moment..
Wait a minute, Jeffery Immelt comes to mind..sorry.
As far as the right wing talk show hate mongers(yes I do listen), they encourage liberals to come on the shows and dedicate lines to come to the front of all callers..
But, then again, you believe the other talking points as you obviously have never listened to the opposition..I do.
ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN,NPR,Daily Kos,Huffington,Alternet,Myleftwing.com, etc.
My question is this, if millions of listeners, and watchers choose the Fox gang, and Limbaugh, what's the worry?
There's 52 million of you who voted for OB, and he and the dems, along with the entire news media, except Fox, run the world now.
Relax..Hope and Change are here.
The rest of us neanderthals are history.
possee
It always goes back to the GOP over and over and over again.
The GOP is totally hapless and ineffective now.
Or is Bush /Cheney pulling OB'S and fOX?
Hmm..let's digress for a moment..
Wait a minute, Jeffery Immelt comes to mind..sorry.
As far as the right wing talk show hate mongers(yes I do listen), they encourage liberals to come on the shows and dedicate lines to come to the front of all callers..
But, then again, you believe the other talking points as you obviously have never listened to the opposition..I do.
ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN,NPR,Daily Kos,Huffington,Alternet,Myleftwing.com, etc.
My question is this, if millions of listeners, and watchers choose the Fox gang, and Limbaugh, what's the worry?
There's 52 million of you who voted for OB, and he and the dems, along with the entire news media, except Fox, run the world now.
Relax..Hope and Change are here.
The rest of us neanderthals are history.
possee
possee [Member] writes:
Richard
Or, as a footnote, the hope of change has come home to roost..?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6409721/Barack-Obama-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html#
"Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years
The decline in Barack Obama's popularity since July has been the steepest of any president at the same stage of his first term for more than 50 years. "
Thoughts?
No way , a blabbering few talk shows and tv opinions have caused this?
Against 52 million strong supporters?
No way...
possee
Or, as a footnote, the hope of change has come home to roost..?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6409721/Barack-Obama-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html#
"Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years
The decline in Barack Obama's popularity since July has been the steepest of any president at the same stage of his first term for more than 50 years. "
Thoughts?
No way , a blabbering few talk shows and tv opinions have caused this?
Against 52 million strong supporters?
No way...
possee
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
I'd venture a guess, maybe even wager a bet, that Fox's "right-wing hatchet men" generally have had more liberals on in any given month than MSNBC (read Obama 24/7) has had conservatives for any year since it's inception in 1996.
"The cable news channel is "completely out of control," said writer-producer Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, a self-proclaimed liberal Democrat.
She added that she would prefer a lunch date with right-leaning Fox News star Sean Hannity over left-leaning MSNBC star Keith Olbermann."
Olbermann was criticized by many who attended Monday's luncheon sponsored by the Caucus for Producers, Writers & Directors at the Beverly Hills Hotel. The event was dubbed "Hollywood, America and Election '08."
Bloodworth-Thomason and others seemed especially critical of the way MSNBC -- and other media -- has attacked Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin while demeaning her supporters.
http://conservative-sugar.tressugar.com/2439003
"The cable news channel is "completely out of control," said writer-producer Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, a self-proclaimed liberal Democrat.
She added that she would prefer a lunch date with right-leaning Fox News star Sean Hannity over left-leaning MSNBC star Keith Olbermann."
Olbermann was criticized by many who attended Monday's luncheon sponsored by the Caucus for Producers, Writers & Directors at the Beverly Hills Hotel. The event was dubbed "Hollywood, America and Election '08."
Bloodworth-Thomason and others seemed especially critical of the way MSNBC -- and other media -- has attacked Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin while demeaning her supporters.
http://conservative-sugar.tressugar.com/2439003
maverick [Member] writes:
Our negro racist president visited MA today at the expense of $2,000,000. Yes your tax dollars. The cost documented for Cambridge, Boston and other security, etc..
Why Ma? To spend 5 hours supporting a fund raiser for your negro racist governor. The 125 puppets shelled out $6 grand each to raise under $500,000.
Sounds good! Feels good! Not to me. A net loss to the taxpayer of $1,500,000 to promote a racist fraud.
Why Ma? To spend 5 hours supporting a fund raiser for your negro racist governor. The 125 puppets shelled out $6 grand each to raise under $500,000.
Sounds good! Feels good! Not to me. A net loss to the taxpayer of $1,500,000 to promote a racist fraud.
maverick [Member] writes:
Correction...net loss to all Americans...$2,000,000.
Net gain to the Devil...$500,000.
Is there something wrong with this picture?
Net gain to the Devil...$500,000.
Is there something wrong with this picture?
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Bill O'Reilly: "It's working. The right wing media is damaging the president."
Senior citizen on NPR: "I heard Obama wanted to put me to sleep. And I believed it. I really believed it."
Heard at Palin's rallies about Obama: "Traitor. Muslim. Terrorist. Not a citizen. Hussein Hussein Hussein."
"Dozens of retired generals working as radio and television analysts had been co-opted by the Pentagon to make its case for the war in Iraq.These “message force multipliers” or “surrogates” could be counted on to deliver administration themes and messages to millions of Americans in the form of their own opinions."
Klayman and fellow conservatives -- including Paul Weyrich, Phyllis Schafly and the NRA's Wayne LaPierre "voted to remove the 42nd president of the United States by whatever legal and ethical means were necessary."
"negro racist president."
"Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people."
"Take the bone out of your nose and call me later."
"Michelle Obama is trash".
Over and out.
Senior citizen on NPR: "I heard Obama wanted to put me to sleep. And I believed it. I really believed it."
Heard at Palin's rallies about Obama: "Traitor. Muslim. Terrorist. Not a citizen. Hussein Hussein Hussein."
"Dozens of retired generals working as radio and television analysts had been co-opted by the Pentagon to make its case for the war in Iraq.These “message force multipliers” or “surrogates” could be counted on to deliver administration themes and messages to millions of Americans in the form of their own opinions."
Klayman and fellow conservatives -- including Paul Weyrich, Phyllis Schafly and the NRA's Wayne LaPierre "voted to remove the 42nd president of the United States by whatever legal and ethical means were necessary."
"negro racist president."
"Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people."
"Take the bone out of your nose and call me later."
"Michelle Obama is trash".
Over and out.
crusader [Member] writes:
Mav,
Oh, sailor boy, I'd say it's at the hour for a little attitude adjustment. Don't be so hard on bitter. What's up? Remember the advice you gave me just a few days ago....think about your first love and how beautiful it was...family and friends Mav. It's only politics, don't take it so seriously. We all must learn to disagree in harmony. I admit, I have my abrasive side as well, but your not playing nice tonight.
Pleasant dreams. Have a nice weekend and please come back as the Mav I like to know, will ya?
Oh, sailor boy, I'd say it's at the hour for a little attitude adjustment. Don't be so hard on bitter. What's up? Remember the advice you gave me just a few days ago....think about your first love and how beautiful it was...family and friends Mav. It's only politics, don't take it so seriously. We all must learn to disagree in harmony. I admit, I have my abrasive side as well, but your not playing nice tonight.
Pleasant dreams. Have a nice weekend and please come back as the Mav I like to know, will ya?
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey Walker,
...."Bill Buckley, who incidentally was a close personal friend of Ronald Reagan said,
“I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.”
If he had any to insult.
Reagan was one of the worst presidents we have had, taking second place to Bush I and Bush II. He brought us Reaganomics and the Savings and Loan disaster. Just what Bush has done over the last 8 years, allow Wallstreet to tank our treasury and escalate trillion dollar deficits produced by the war on oil!
...."Bill Buckley, who incidentally was a close personal friend of Ronald Reagan said,
“I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.”
If he had any to insult.
Reagan was one of the worst presidents we have had, taking second place to Bush I and Bush II. He brought us Reaganomics and the Savings and Loan disaster. Just what Bush has done over the last 8 years, allow Wallstreet to tank our treasury and escalate trillion dollar deficits produced by the war on oil!
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
You are just too clever for me cru, nice job trimming.
Betcha' Jimmie Carter was one of your faves.
Mortgages @ 16% and car loans @ 21%.
We should all thank God for sending us Ronald "The Great One" Reagan for cleaning up that anti-Semitic peanut farmin' redneck's mess.
Betcha' Jimmie Carter was one of your faves.
Mortgages @ 16% and car loans @ 21%.
We should all thank God for sending us Ronald "The Great One" Reagan for cleaning up that anti-Semitic peanut farmin' redneck's mess.
crusader [Member] writes:
Walker,
Frankly, I did like Jimmy Carter, although, he wasn't presidential material either. At least Jimmy is a man with a heart and soul--unlike some of the others who sat in the oval office. Johnson was another creep, hillbilly would be a compliment, but I think you get where I'm going with this...did you read the story about his office urinal? He would holding a meeting with his so called distinguished generals and military staff, then walk over to his sink and whip it out. I'm sure he had all the charm of a Texas bullfrog.
Frankly, I did like Jimmy Carter, although, he wasn't presidential material either. At least Jimmy is a man with a heart and soul--unlike some of the others who sat in the oval office. Johnson was another creep, hillbilly would be a compliment, but I think you get where I'm going with this...did you read the story about his office urinal? He would holding a meeting with his so called distinguished generals and military staff, then walk over to his sink and whip it out. I'm sure he had all the charm of a Texas bullfrog.
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Little known fact... Superman's city, Metropolis, is supposed to be in Delaware.
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey, petey
You think high interest rates on mortgages and consumer purchases when you have an income are worse than not having a job that pays enough to afford a home or a car -or, thanks to the past eight years of GOP "free market" deregulatory nonsense, having no job at all as with today's 10 percent unemployed? Get real.
By the way, what's all this got to do with the actual substance of my post? Yeah, I borrowed a bit of scriptural cliche to describe the essence of the thoughts expressed as "pearls," but you really haven't got anything to say about the truth of what the post is actually all about. Like I said, all you guys know how to do is deny, obfuscate and evade without offering any substantive alternatives. Talk about "nattering nabobs of negativism!"
You think high interest rates on mortgages and consumer purchases when you have an income are worse than not having a job that pays enough to afford a home or a car -or, thanks to the past eight years of GOP "free market" deregulatory nonsense, having no job at all as with today's 10 percent unemployed? Get real.
By the way, what's all this got to do with the actual substance of my post? Yeah, I borrowed a bit of scriptural cliche to describe the essence of the thoughts expressed as "pearls," but you really haven't got anything to say about the truth of what the post is actually all about. Like I said, all you guys know how to do is deny, obfuscate and evade without offering any substantive alternatives. Talk about "nattering nabobs of negativism!"
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
“In 1980, the "misery index" -- unemployment plus inflation -- crested 20 percent for the first time since World War II”
"nattering nabobs of negativism!"
You do have a way with words dick.
Now quit drinking and go to bed. counselor.
"nattering nabobs of negativism!"
You do have a way with words dick.
Now quit drinking and go to bed. counselor.
Ned [Member] writes:
As the Superhero Conference drags on, The Atom draws a sketch of Wonder Woman. Afterwards he shows it to her saying shyly, "It doesn't do you Justice."
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Thank you for your valiant character crusader.
But maverick was not hard on me. Personal attacks don't bother me.
Attacks on my family do.
My grandson is mixed-race. White and Black.
And Maverick has been around long enough to know that negro is just a polite way of saying N____r.
So, he just declared war.
Racist, white/right wing Fox loving Goobs.
Bring it on!
But maverick was not hard on me. Personal attacks don't bother me.
Attacks on my family do.
My grandson is mixed-race. White and Black.
And Maverick has been around long enough to know that negro is just a polite way of saying N____r.
So, he just declared war.
Racist, white/right wing Fox loving Goobs.
Bring it on!
jane.logan [Member] writes:
If you look back far enough, ALL of us are most likely of mixed race.
I just wish someone could explain to me why Obama is considered "black"...
I just wish someone could explain to me why Obama is considered "black"...
Richard [Member] writes:
Hey, petey
Again, you still haven't addressed the actual substance of this post, either to agree in order to find some common ground or to disagree with any reasoned analysis as to why the principles stated are in any way open to debate.
You just keep on proving my point about today's so-called "conservatives," petey, which is that you're all nothin' but a gaggle of obstructionist, reactionary reactionaries who, when you get right down to it, you got nuthin'.
So, how 'bout it? You got any real ideas for moving forward into the 21st Century? Or just some more of that right-wing bullstuff the GOP's been selling for the past 30 years that led directly to the most massive economic failure since 1929.
That's a fact, petey, so what do you suggest -keep fighting "pre-emptive" oil wars that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives? Keep letting the industrial and financial sleasebags claim they "earn" million dollar bonuses while driving the economy into the tank, while hundreds of thousands of families' homes are foreclosed? Is that your vision, petey?
Again, you still haven't addressed the actual substance of this post, either to agree in order to find some common ground or to disagree with any reasoned analysis as to why the principles stated are in any way open to debate.
You just keep on proving my point about today's so-called "conservatives," petey, which is that you're all nothin' but a gaggle of obstructionist, reactionary reactionaries who, when you get right down to it, you got nuthin'.
So, how 'bout it? You got any real ideas for moving forward into the 21st Century? Or just some more of that right-wing bullstuff the GOP's been selling for the past 30 years that led directly to the most massive economic failure since 1929.
That's a fact, petey, so what do you suggest -keep fighting "pre-emptive" oil wars that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives? Keep letting the industrial and financial sleasebags claim they "earn" million dollar bonuses while driving the economy into the tank, while hundreds of thousands of families' homes are foreclosed? Is that your vision, petey?
bittersweet [Member] writes:
I just wish someone could explain to me why Obama is considered "black"...
Jane...there was some kind of law in the 20's or 30's? that said of you had a certain percent of African blood, you were considered black.(1%? 2%?)
The reason being was to deny you rights and priviledges which were accorded to whites.
Geuss that guideline just stuck around?
Jane...there was some kind of law in the 20's or 30's? that said of you had a certain percent of African blood, you were considered black.(1%? 2%?)
The reason being was to deny you rights and priviledges which were accorded to whites.
Geuss that guideline just stuck around?
crusader [Member] writes:
Richard,
"That's a fact, petey, so what do you suggest -keep fighting "pre-emptive" oil wars that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives? Keep letting the industrial and financial sleasebags claim they "earn" million dollar bonuses while driving the economy into the tank, while hundreds of thousands of families' homes are foreclosed? Is that your vision, petey"?
Easier to fight the working class, than corporate war dogs. It's now becoming a matter of survival. That's part of the master plan. I see it as a military strategy, with us trying to escape from the FOX hole. Isn't it obvious Richard, that the only reason we invaded Iraq was to establish a permanent residence? If the war dogs have it there way, we will be sending soldiers over for a long time. We are over there to help our friends, the Israeli Govt. But those who continue to beat down the working class, are actually aiding the enemies within our own govt/military complex who wish to dominate the middle-east, take the oil fields and keep us existing just as they want us--suppressed and without power.
"That's a fact, petey, so what do you suggest -keep fighting "pre-emptive" oil wars that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives? Keep letting the industrial and financial sleasebags claim they "earn" million dollar bonuses while driving the economy into the tank, while hundreds of thousands of families' homes are foreclosed? Is that your vision, petey"?
Easier to fight the working class, than corporate war dogs. It's now becoming a matter of survival. That's part of the master plan. I see it as a military strategy, with us trying to escape from the FOX hole. Isn't it obvious Richard, that the only reason we invaded Iraq was to establish a permanent residence? If the war dogs have it there way, we will be sending soldiers over for a long time. We are over there to help our friends, the Israeli Govt. But those who continue to beat down the working class, are actually aiding the enemies within our own govt/military complex who wish to dominate the middle-east, take the oil fields and keep us existing just as they want us--suppressed and without power.
crusader [Member] writes:
Richard,
I agree--
"You think high interest rates on mortgages and consumer purchases when you have an income are worse than not having a job that pays enough to afford a home or a car -or, thanks to the past eight years of GOP "free market" deregulatory nonsense, having no job at all as with today's 10 percent unemployed? Get real".--even with billions, if they can't manage the money, that will eventually disappear as well. When you take away homes, jobs, all personal assets, do they really think people will spend their last savings on wide screen TV's, IPODS, IMACS, MAC Computers, new cars? They are arrogantly mistaken. But maybe since they entered this state of "globalization", they can go over to other wealthy countries, like China to further exploit another nation. This one has been tapped out. Jokes on them now, since China's technology beats theirs.
"Those days are long gone, of course, now that the corporate elite have bought up all the public broadcast licenses and allow only "fair and balanced" programming like on Fox TV with its crew of right-wing hatchet men".
I agree--
"You think high interest rates on mortgages and consumer purchases when you have an income are worse than not having a job that pays enough to afford a home or a car -or, thanks to the past eight years of GOP "free market" deregulatory nonsense, having no job at all as with today's 10 percent unemployed? Get real".--even with billions, if they can't manage the money, that will eventually disappear as well. When you take away homes, jobs, all personal assets, do they really think people will spend their last savings on wide screen TV's, IPODS, IMACS, MAC Computers, new cars? They are arrogantly mistaken. But maybe since they entered this state of "globalization", they can go over to other wealthy countries, like China to further exploit another nation. This one has been tapped out. Jokes on them now, since China's technology beats theirs.
"Those days are long gone, of course, now that the corporate elite have bought up all the public broadcast licenses and allow only "fair and balanced" programming like on Fox TV with its crew of right-wing hatchet men".
crusader [Member] writes:
Richard,
Just wanted to add--From my own personal experience over the past 5 years, the harsh realities effecting millions of Americans in being buried by the corporate owned networks. Sure, you see an individual story about loss of jobs, mortgage crisis, people being denied health insurance, etc. But the fact the news does not report a cumulative story of all these hardships tells me, they continue to minimize the reality of our problems so people will continue to think this is just a temporary problem.
A co-worker shared that she spoke with people in the industry, high ranking corp. types, friends of her husband. He said, "you layoffs were nothing more than reorganizing which had absolutely nothing to do with loss of endowments". They did it in a way, not to bring public attention, staggering layoffs and pushing retirement packages. Another co-worker called to say that an announcement was made to a body of residents(word finally got out about layoffs)and they were told, most of us got re-employed immediately after, and "they", the college were taking very good care of the rest.
Just wanted to add--From my own personal experience over the past 5 years, the harsh realities effecting millions of Americans in being buried by the corporate owned networks. Sure, you see an individual story about loss of jobs, mortgage crisis, people being denied health insurance, etc. But the fact the news does not report a cumulative story of all these hardships tells me, they continue to minimize the reality of our problems so people will continue to think this is just a temporary problem.
A co-worker shared that she spoke with people in the industry, high ranking corp. types, friends of her husband. He said, "you layoffs were nothing more than reorganizing which had absolutely nothing to do with loss of endowments". They did it in a way, not to bring public attention, staggering layoffs and pushing retirement packages. Another co-worker called to say that an announcement was made to a body of residents(word finally got out about layoffs)and they were told, most of us got re-employed immediately after, and "they", the college were taking very good care of the rest.
crusader [Member] writes:
Richard,
NO ONE IN THE MEDIA, has bothered to share this on any of the networks, have they? Have you seen one college president being interviewed on FOX NEWS about why they laid off thousands? Have you seen any employees being interviewed about the conditions of the layoffs, the obvious age discrimination that they felt, the unfair treatments they were subjected to during the time they were required to remain there? Everything they did would be thrown out if these jobs were within a union's oversight. But they know they can make one call to their corporate lawyers if there is a problem. There have been some who have successfully sued for wrongful termination based on age discrimination and I'm sure they have been sued for other things as well. Again, you won't see it in the MURDOCH OWNED MEDIA OUTLETS, but it is very real. That's how they get away with this and so much more, Richard. The networks are bias, only serving the corporate elite. Who do you think erects buildings in their name?
NO ONE IN THE MEDIA, has bothered to share this on any of the networks, have they? Have you seen one college president being interviewed on FOX NEWS about why they laid off thousands? Have you seen any employees being interviewed about the conditions of the layoffs, the obvious age discrimination that they felt, the unfair treatments they were subjected to during the time they were required to remain there? Everything they did would be thrown out if these jobs were within a union's oversight. But they know they can make one call to their corporate lawyers if there is a problem. There have been some who have successfully sued for wrongful termination based on age discrimination and I'm sure they have been sued for other things as well. Again, you won't see it in the MURDOCH OWNED MEDIA OUTLETS, but it is very real. That's how they get away with this and so much more, Richard. The networks are bias, only serving the corporate elite. Who do you think erects buildings in their name?
crusader [Member] writes:
People like Buzz & karen would have you believe that those who got laid off, thousands of us, are "worthless" employees. Brilliant deduction--that must be the answer! Maybe your job will be next? What will you say then?
Tell it to the guy who has two toddler's, a mortgage, two car payments, he & his wife have a long commute to work & day care. I guess it's his fault, too. That's why they kept him employed & gave him raises too, because he was so incompetent.
Or, how about the young 24 yr old, with a BA, job history, seeking promotion, applied within, only to be told she didn't have enough experience, but then saw former colleagues of the hiring manager getting hired. It's all FAIR though! EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES to EVERYONE!
How about my friend who was laid up from surgery? She gave 22 yrs of her life to that place. They did the right thing--they called her while she was recovering & told her she was canned. What compassion.
How about a cancer survior? Her fault, too? She put in over 25 yrs. I guess she shouldn't have used so much of her health insurance-you won't see on FOXNEWS!
Tell it to the guy who has two toddler's, a mortgage, two car payments, he & his wife have a long commute to work & day care. I guess it's his fault, too. That's why they kept him employed & gave him raises too, because he was so incompetent.
Or, how about the young 24 yr old, with a BA, job history, seeking promotion, applied within, only to be told she didn't have enough experience, but then saw former colleagues of the hiring manager getting hired. It's all FAIR though! EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES to EVERYONE!
How about my friend who was laid up from surgery? She gave 22 yrs of her life to that place. They did the right thing--they called her while she was recovering & told her she was canned. What compassion.
How about a cancer survior? Her fault, too? She put in over 25 yrs. I guess she shouldn't have used so much of her health insurance-you won't see on FOXNEWS!
j. madden [Member] writes:
Jane., that Obama is almost always called black cannot be explained, at least the way the assertion has been used since his appearance at the Democratic Convention to speak on Al Gore's behalf. Everyone knows his Mother was white and father black. Everyone knows he was raised by his mother and her parents. Calling him black is a preference and one has to wonder why every time it's said - at least I wonder why. I guess, in part, it's pride. I imagine if the first president to be Irish was half Japanese I'd think of him/her as Irish because I am Irish. And, those with any Japanese heritage would think of him/her as being Japanese. But, the same question you have asked lingers in my mind as well. In the end, it seems there is no good explanation.
crusader [Member] writes:
j.madden,
The Washington Times of last week, described a problematic situation among the corporate elite on Wallstreet and President Obama.
It is abundantly clear now, by that article (notice we don't get this view from the major corp. owned networks) the "black" president is telling the corporate welfare recipients--"your chop-shop on the American people is CLOSED"..."no more bonuses, no more "illegal", unethical business practices at the price of the working class".
This is the outcome-Rush L. and his disgusting propaganda aimed at those fighting for REFORMING a bunch of white collar criminal savages. It's just another form of brainwashing. If the news bothered to spend time interviewing people who have lost their homes, jobs, healthcare, the people would riot in the streets.
While they continue to confuse the general public with all this madness of hostile debates on and off the networks--the corp. elite continue to scheme and sabotage us into the poor house.
Unless the president makes some needed changes in health care, employment & housing, we are in for a world of pain.
The Washington Times of last week, described a problematic situation among the corporate elite on Wallstreet and President Obama.
It is abundantly clear now, by that article (notice we don't get this view from the major corp. owned networks) the "black" president is telling the corporate welfare recipients--"your chop-shop on the American people is CLOSED"..."no more bonuses, no more "illegal", unethical business practices at the price of the working class".
This is the outcome-Rush L. and his disgusting propaganda aimed at those fighting for REFORMING a bunch of white collar criminal savages. It's just another form of brainwashing. If the news bothered to spend time interviewing people who have lost their homes, jobs, healthcare, the people would riot in the streets.
While they continue to confuse the general public with all this madness of hostile debates on and off the networks--the corp. elite continue to scheme and sabotage us into the poor house.
Unless the president makes some needed changes in health care, employment & housing, we are in for a world of pain.
Ned [Member] writes:
Miscegenation Laws! When an American got down to one-sixteenth Negro Blood they might pass for white legally. Obama's half straight-from-Kenya... that's plenty o' Negro Blood. These laws still prevailed as I was entering my teens, dude.
crusader [Member] writes:
If Obama was on the side of the Corporate Elite who have robbed us blind--wonder how WHITE he would be?
The fact he is standing up to the crooks on Wallstreet who got us into this mess--he is now referred to as the "BLACK" president.
How convenient.
The fact he is standing up to the crooks on Wallstreet who got us into this mess--he is now referred to as the "BLACK" president.
How convenient.
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru says: "People like Buzz & karen would have you believe that those who got laid off, thousands of us, are "worthless" employees."
Remind me again where I said that?
Remind me again where I said that?
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru,
Poor Obama, what a disadvantage being half & half as you stated. When the black crooks got ACORN into a mess, they will be referring to him as "WHITE".
I see your point, you are brilliant!
Poor Obama, what a disadvantage being half & half as you stated. When the black crooks got ACORN into a mess, they will be referring to him as "WHITE".
I see your point, you are brilliant!
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
"He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle, and away they all flew like the down of a thistle."
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Funny, when the black crooks got ACORN into a mess, they were fired immediately and an investigation into it was launched.
The head of ACORN vowed to clean up the organization from head to toe.
9 years later and we still have the whole Bush administration walking the streets.
Still thing you are fair and balanced?
More like imbalanced and you wouldn't know fair if you fell over it.
buzz--you implied that it was crusader's fault she was fired,and she was blaming everyone else.
karent2 said crusader was now going to live off HER money in the form of unemployment.
Well I will personally take both your thanks right now for supporting your parents...your welcome.
Supporting these horrendous wars. your welcome. Your SS, your pensions, your military generals and wives pay, your roads,your hospitals, your parks, your landmarks and your national treasures. your welcome!
There...I can take credit for all of it can't I?
Cause I did it all by myself.
And you can't have it waa waa waaa
Give me back my power or I will fight and throw a tantrum like a big baby.
"Don't you black or white me!"-M.J.
The head of ACORN vowed to clean up the organization from head to toe.
9 years later and we still have the whole Bush administration walking the streets.
Still thing you are fair and balanced?
More like imbalanced and you wouldn't know fair if you fell over it.
buzz--you implied that it was crusader's fault she was fired,and she was blaming everyone else.
karent2 said crusader was now going to live off HER money in the form of unemployment.
Well I will personally take both your thanks right now for supporting your parents...your welcome.
Supporting these horrendous wars. your welcome. Your SS, your pensions, your military generals and wives pay, your roads,your hospitals, your parks, your landmarks and your national treasures. your welcome!
There...I can take credit for all of it can't I?
Cause I did it all by myself.
And you can't have it waa waa waaa
Give me back my power or I will fight and throw a tantrum like a big baby.
"Don't you black or white me!"-M.J.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
And there you go...thank you Ned. Obama is legally black. As is my grandson. By the laws of this country.
(still in place?)
(still in place?)
crusader [Member] writes:
I don't keep your cctoday archives at my fingertips, as you do mine. If you want me to go back to all your hateful comments about how I am supposedly "unemployable", I would be happy to, but at the moment, I am working on my home repairs with my son. Broken community dryer and broken dishwasher of my tenants, 5 years new, because I'm such a deadbeat, worthless person to society as you and karen so eloquently express. Have you also stalked me on my facebook page, or is that just karen's twisted game? What's the matter, don't have enough to do with your own miserably boring lives?
The hateful propaganda you help launch against Obama is unacceptable and I hope the Wallstreet bums LOSE EVERYTHING! I would gladly forfeit what I have left of my 401k to see it tank completely. For any of us to survive this--the playing field must come to a neutral zone. That's the only way.
ACORN was a set up by the GOP, just like everything else that stands in their way. Their organization has been keeping people in their homes and fighting off the scumbag lenders! HELLO!
The hateful propaganda you help launch against Obama is unacceptable and I hope the Wallstreet bums LOSE EVERYTHING! I would gladly forfeit what I have left of my 401k to see it tank completely. For any of us to survive this--the playing field must come to a neutral zone. That's the only way.
ACORN was a set up by the GOP, just like everything else that stands in their way. Their organization has been keeping people in their homes and fighting off the scumbag lenders! HELLO!
crusader [Member] writes:
Pfizer has been paying billions in restitution for their crimes. You don't see anyone trying to put them out of business....do you BUZZ?
The newspapers described how they have been pushing their drugs via doctors, some not even passed by the FDA, many create devastating results to patients who have won lawsuits, but you and your FOX lovers don't talk about those serious crimes effecting thousands of Americans. Your too busy tearing down organizations like ACORN. If employees had committed crimes, they should be fired, as any other organization and corporation, not take down the entire company! Outrageous. Fact is ACORN is a detriment to the lenders, that, I contend is the ONLY REASON, and an attack on Obama's reputation.
What about all the other corporate felons? Just keep giving them a free pass. You think they give a rats ass about you? HA.
The newspapers described how they have been pushing their drugs via doctors, some not even passed by the FDA, many create devastating results to patients who have won lawsuits, but you and your FOX lovers don't talk about those serious crimes effecting thousands of Americans. Your too busy tearing down organizations like ACORN. If employees had committed crimes, they should be fired, as any other organization and corporation, not take down the entire company! Outrageous. Fact is ACORN is a detriment to the lenders, that, I contend is the ONLY REASON, and an attack on Obama's reputation.
What about all the other corporate felons? Just keep giving them a free pass. You think they give a rats ass about you? HA.
crusader [Member] writes:
Bitter,
It seems we must get our news from the Washington Times and Democracy Now, because FOX will only tell us DISTORTIONS to maintain the Corporate Elite who won't give it up.
"President Obama on Saturday struck back aggressively at critics of his $3.6 trillion budget proposal, casting himself as a populist crusader whose "sweeping change" has angered Washington's entrenched special interests, and promised to fight them".
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/28/obama-strikes-back-budget-critics/
It seems we must get our news from the Washington Times and Democracy Now, because FOX will only tell us DISTORTIONS to maintain the Corporate Elite who won't give it up.
"President Obama on Saturday struck back aggressively at critics of his $3.6 trillion budget proposal, casting himself as a populist crusader whose "sweeping change" has angered Washington's entrenched special interests, and promised to fight them".
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/28/obama-strikes-back-budget-critics/
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Yes, more and more, it looks like the same kind of tactics used against foreign leaders who won't play the game. (Confessions of an Economic Hit-man) But this is our president!
But they can't kill Obama since he has a lot of protection. So maybe they get their minions all riled up with anger and try and have one of them do it? Then they can blame it on a kook and walk away scott free....as usual.
Just a nother conspiracy thought. But not far-fetched if you ask me, given the climate these goons have festered.
it's all butt-ugly and ugly-butts.
But they can't kill Obama since he has a lot of protection. So maybe they get their minions all riled up with anger and try and have one of them do it? Then they can blame it on a kook and walk away scott free....as usual.
Just a nother conspiracy thought. But not far-fetched if you ask me, given the climate these goons have festered.
it's all butt-ugly and ugly-butts.
j. madden [Member] writes:
cru: Yes, I agree with you, if I interpret your comment correctly, that Obama has been too cozy with the political power brokers of the Bush era and the corporate elite. We needed an iron hand but Obama gave only hugs. Goldman Sachs has set aside $5.3 billion for year end executive bonuses, the NYT reports today. How could the TARP loans be repaid and all this money generated in so short a time frame? How could the public stand by and watch top management salaries soar throughout the 1990's and this decade and not scream enough of this theft? One million dollar bonuses are a disappointment. That's astounding and no one screams "stop". What's being recommended by the pay Czar, Ken Feinberg is more flimflam and Greenspan-speak. And, yes, I also believe that historically corporate crime has generally been given a wink and a nod, considered mistakes made not felony crimes. That's why corporate crimes, when tried, are so often called "show trials". As the great Linda Ellerbee always said when closing: And so it goes.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
j.madden,
I don't agree with all of your last post but I do agree that I wish that Obama had been tougher in many situations. And when I say "tougher" I mean more resolute in implementing left of center solutions to remedy the excesses of the Bush era. Example: He should fight for the Public Option in Health Care.
Let's face it - in many areas Obama has been a moderate and willing to go down the middle between left and right.
That's why I guffaw when I hear devout Obama haters accuse him of being a "socialist". He's been a moderate.
But the devout Obama haters have their preconceived notions AND they are allergic to a Democrat in the White House no matter how he governs.
I don't agree with all of your last post but I do agree that I wish that Obama had been tougher in many situations. And when I say "tougher" I mean more resolute in implementing left of center solutions to remedy the excesses of the Bush era. Example: He should fight for the Public Option in Health Care.
Let's face it - in many areas Obama has been a moderate and willing to go down the middle between left and right.
That's why I guffaw when I hear devout Obama haters accuse him of being a "socialist". He's been a moderate.
But the devout Obama haters have their preconceived notions AND they are allergic to a Democrat in the White House no matter how he governs.
crusader [Member] writes:
They will do everything in their corrupt power to keep this mess on a steady course of permanent destruction aimed at the working class. When the next phase--getting people to reinvest in the stock market, (DOW IS UP! HA), bottoms out, then perhaps they will wake up. Maybe the only place that's making money is Haliburton, Black Water stocks and other war driven commodities. Blood on your hands, how does it feel? Many of the rich who have accrued millions will NO LONGER reinvest as before, unless they have an inside scoop to making profits, maybe overseas.
j. madden [Member] writes:
dk: Yup, I agree with all of your last post - BO has been resolutely down the middle and, where key appointments are concerned, especially in the all-important financial areas, decidedly right of center. In fact, he selected people that were a major influence throughout the Bush terms.
mav like to mention that we, the people, the voters, chose every politician holding elected office. Indeed. What a head-banger.
mav like to mention that we, the people, the voters, chose every politician holding elected office. Indeed. What a head-banger.
crusader [Member] writes:
j.madden,
Obama needed to be tougher on Geithner & his Wallstreet ratpack at GoldmanSachs. But, there haven't been any changes of the guard since the Bush dictatorship, right? As one congressman pointed out, "there hasn't been much prosecutorial efforts made in the past 8 YEARS, and the new adm. has very little time to sort this out". (C-Span, AIG congressional hearings, Congressman Capuano)
It's about campaign contributions, that was their hook on Congress, how they became complicit, as many homeowners who were tricked into the lending scams. This way, they can't really prosecute, can they? If a number of our senators from both sides of the fence have taken major campaign contributions from AIG, mortgage lenders, investment firms, war driven corp's, etc.,how can they prosecute them? They will be lamb basted in the news, following day on the front page. Down goes that re-election when their term is up. Both Frank and Dodd have dirt on their hands, unlike Capuano who said,"I have none of my money in your banks, get those who created the SIV's, should have been illegal, FIRE THEM".
Obama needed to be tougher on Geithner & his Wallstreet ratpack at GoldmanSachs. But, there haven't been any changes of the guard since the Bush dictatorship, right? As one congressman pointed out, "there hasn't been much prosecutorial efforts made in the past 8 YEARS, and the new adm. has very little time to sort this out". (C-Span, AIG congressional hearings, Congressman Capuano)
It's about campaign contributions, that was their hook on Congress, how they became complicit, as many homeowners who were tricked into the lending scams. This way, they can't really prosecute, can they? If a number of our senators from both sides of the fence have taken major campaign contributions from AIG, mortgage lenders, investment firms, war driven corp's, etc.,how can they prosecute them? They will be lamb basted in the news, following day on the front page. Down goes that re-election when their term is up. Both Frank and Dodd have dirt on their hands, unlike Capuano who said,"I have none of my money in your banks, get those who created the SIV's, should have been illegal, FIRE THEM".
j. madden [Member] writes:
cru: You point out many of the practices that have co-opted , corrupted and diminished efforts for an always improving democratic structure. I hold out hope that my feelings and opinions which reflect sadness and contrary approaches to Obama, will in the end, prove to have been wrong. I hope I'm coming to conclusions to quickly and that the President will turn out to have been right to immerse himself in the political game. Surly, (I am old so I've seen a few Presidents at work) I've never seen a President assume office and have so many urgent and serious problems to solve, perhaps with the exception of FDR. I wish our President well.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
j and cru,
This Afghanistan decision will say much about Obama. It looks to me like it's a choice between:
a. Increasing troops in a big way and trying to achieve a great deal
b. Withdrawing
I'd be willing to bet that Obama will commit about half of the troops requested: Split the difference.
That won't be enough troops to pacify Afghanistan and it'll increase our losses. Next year, the Army will ask for more troops again. Just like Vietnam.
I'd say that Obama should escalate in a big way now or get out (and I'd prefer the latter). Just watch: He'll split the difference.
This Afghanistan decision will say much about Obama. It looks to me like it's a choice between:
a. Increasing troops in a big way and trying to achieve a great deal
b. Withdrawing
I'd be willing to bet that Obama will commit about half of the troops requested: Split the difference.
That won't be enough troops to pacify Afghanistan and it'll increase our losses. Next year, the Army will ask for more troops again. Just like Vietnam.
I'd say that Obama should escalate in a big way now or get out (and I'd prefer the latter). Just watch: He'll split the difference.
crusader [Member] writes:
j.madden,
The best course of action would have been to let the BANKS FAIL along with complicit Wallstreet gangsters, and to FIRE Geithner and Bernake. They were obviously keeping containment for their IVY LEAGUE CROOKS. I'm not at liberty to discuss details, but trust me, there is a lot of dirt in the college campus.
Obama has been cornered by all sides who wish to bring him down.
He can't waffle. He's got to cut the enabling Wallstreet/Wardog umbilical cord, or deal with his inevitable fate.
The best course of action would have been to let the BANKS FAIL along with complicit Wallstreet gangsters, and to FIRE Geithner and Bernake. They were obviously keeping containment for their IVY LEAGUE CROOKS. I'm not at liberty to discuss details, but trust me, there is a lot of dirt in the college campus.
Obama has been cornered by all sides who wish to bring him down.
He can't waffle. He's got to cut the enabling Wallstreet/Wardog umbilical cord, or deal with his inevitable fate.
j. madden [Member] writes:
dk: I agree but hope you are wrong on a big troop increase being a likely option. This nation-building stuff, the hearts & minds approach is foolish. We should have sought retribution for the attacks on NYC. We should have hit Afstan early and hard, doing out best to wreck the place in an attempt to get OBL. Iraq was none of our business militarily. Bush went about it wrong and Obama gets the mess. We should get out and wait and see. If these "terrorists" still have the desire and the capability to hit us we should turn the mountain hideouts into flatland. It's a job for drones, the Air Force and Special Forces unites - not Blackwater. Time for noodles and a ball game.
j. madden [Member] writes:
cru: Great word "waffle" to describe events.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Cru,
Sounds like you're a gambling man. If the banks had failed, there would have been a very good chance that we'd be in economic oblivion right now. I mean 20% unemployment. A modern economy cannot operate without credit and there was NONE of that at this time last year even before the domino-like huge bank failures that we'd have seen without bailouts.
Perhaps you're right and the economy wouldn't have collapsed completely. But there's a good chance that you're wrong. Impossible to say because we can't rerun history.
But no president since Hoover would have done anything differently from Bush (remember - he did a bunch of bailing too) and Obama. And we know what happened when Hoover toughed it out.
If you'd been president, would you really have rolled the dice and let the banks fail?
Sounds like you're a gambling man. If the banks had failed, there would have been a very good chance that we'd be in economic oblivion right now. I mean 20% unemployment. A modern economy cannot operate without credit and there was NONE of that at this time last year even before the domino-like huge bank failures that we'd have seen without bailouts.
Perhaps you're right and the economy wouldn't have collapsed completely. But there's a good chance that you're wrong. Impossible to say because we can't rerun history.
But no president since Hoover would have done anything differently from Bush (remember - he did a bunch of bailing too) and Obama. And we know what happened when Hoover toughed it out.
If you'd been president, would you really have rolled the dice and let the banks fail?
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
j.madden,
I guess the only reason to stay in Afghanistan is to prevent the collapse of Pakistan. I read a book awhile ago about Afghanistan and Pakistan called "Descent into Chaos" about the years that Bush ignored the area in favor of Iraq.
Until reading that book, I never understood what a mess Pakistan is. It's more dangerous than Afghanistan. And, of course, it has nuclear weapons.
One argument is that we can't leave Afghanistan and allow it to become a staging area for the overthrow of Pakistan.
We don't need 40,000 more troops for that, however. But it may be necessary to stay there for many years at a rather low level.
I guess the only reason to stay in Afghanistan is to prevent the collapse of Pakistan. I read a book awhile ago about Afghanistan and Pakistan called "Descent into Chaos" about the years that Bush ignored the area in favor of Iraq.
Until reading that book, I never understood what a mess Pakistan is. It's more dangerous than Afghanistan. And, of course, it has nuclear weapons.
One argument is that we can't leave Afghanistan and allow it to become a staging area for the overthrow of Pakistan.
We don't need 40,000 more troops for that, however. But it may be necessary to stay there for many years at a rather low level.
crusader [Member] writes:
j.madden,
A friend, worked on Wallstreet said, "many senators wanted to pull the plug on the banks early on, but there was greater resistance". He contends, if done early on,(minus billions in bailouts) there was a viable chance we could have sustained a surplus & not put a major dent in our treasury. Lenders knew early on of the damage caused, 04'. Geithner & Co. had a strangle hold on Congress. No time to stop the red tsunami, & could not unravel the huge spider web of fraudulent lending that was created. It was intentional, not just a huge error of global proportion. They had Congress by the you know what--and they knew it. Congress had very little choice, as Capuano stated "to sort this out", because as we all know, the financial world never can be put on pause, right? It's just one gargantuan cash/credit machine that does not sleep. I worked with people who studied the markets every second of the day, while sifting through websites most don't use unless they have access. Do you know where I'm going with this? Some get a heads up before others are forewarned-never the littleguy.
A friend, worked on Wallstreet said, "many senators wanted to pull the plug on the banks early on, but there was greater resistance". He contends, if done early on,(minus billions in bailouts) there was a viable chance we could have sustained a surplus & not put a major dent in our treasury. Lenders knew early on of the damage caused, 04'. Geithner & Co. had a strangle hold on Congress. No time to stop the red tsunami, & could not unravel the huge spider web of fraudulent lending that was created. It was intentional, not just a huge error of global proportion. They had Congress by the you know what--and they knew it. Congress had very little choice, as Capuano stated "to sort this out", because as we all know, the financial world never can be put on pause, right? It's just one gargantuan cash/credit machine that does not sleep. I worked with people who studied the markets every second of the day, while sifting through websites most don't use unless they have access. Do you know where I'm going with this? Some get a heads up before others are forewarned-never the littleguy.
crusader [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth,
sorry, my message was meant for you, not j.madden. long day, lots of work around the house!
sorry, my message was meant for you, not j.madden. long day, lots of work around the house!
karent2 [Member] writes:
""I'm not at liberty to discuss details, but trust me, there is a lot of dirt in the college campus.""
Does it ever stop????? Are you ever at liberty to do or say ANYTHING? You believe in Black Ops don't you.
Does it ever stop????? Are you ever at liberty to do or say ANYTHING? You believe in Black Ops don't you.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Cru,
Much of what you say seems to relate to the years leading up to last year's crash. You'll get no debate from me there: Washington DC was hoodwinked by Wall Street and Greenspan.
But considering just where we were in October of last year: Are you saying that Bush and then Obama should have stood by and let Goldman, Merril, CTI, et. al. fail?
When I went to Business School years ago I had the following concept drilled into my head: "Always consider the absolute worst downside of a strategy. If the worst case means 'you're out of business' and there's any chance of that at all.... don't go there".
There's a significant chance that our whole economic system would have collapsed if we'd rolled the "let them fail" dice.
See what I'm saying?
Much of what you say seems to relate to the years leading up to last year's crash. You'll get no debate from me there: Washington DC was hoodwinked by Wall Street and Greenspan.
But considering just where we were in October of last year: Are you saying that Bush and then Obama should have stood by and let Goldman, Merril, CTI, et. al. fail?
When I went to Business School years ago I had the following concept drilled into my head: "Always consider the absolute worst downside of a strategy. If the worst case means 'you're out of business' and there's any chance of that at all.... don't go there".
There's a significant chance that our whole economic system would have collapsed if we'd rolled the "let them fail" dice.
See what I'm saying?
crusader [Member] writes:
karen,
I'd be keeping a look out if I were you...something tells me Truro is about to have their dirty panties pulled down for all to see sometime soon, so start taking those diarrhea med's now, before it's too late!
I'd be keeping a look out if I were you...something tells me Truro is about to have their dirty panties pulled down for all to see sometime soon, so start taking those diarrhea med's now, before it's too late!
j. madden [Member] writes:
dk: Yes, you raise a good point about the strategic importance and political significance of Pstan. India has more concern then we do; but, still, it's what it is and sooner or later we'll probably have to deal with the problem. If a radical Muslim movement is ultimately going to control Pstan there is not much we can do to prevent it from happening. No sense wasting a lot of money and resources. We have too many problems here at home to solve. What we have to make clear to those nations that would harm us and kill our citizens is that retribution will be disproportionate and devastating. And we can't ignore the UN either. That membership has to be convinced by us that we have the capacity, the right and the desire to punish those that attack us or our interests. So, I feel we should let Pstan stew in its own mix of misery. All nations of means will want and eventually acquire the latest weaponry. Remember the line from Braveheart: send in the Irish. No ball game, rain, sigh.
crusader [Member] writes:
dk,
This same friend told me in the Fall of 2005'..."it's about to get much worse". Since then, I followed everything he said. I'll be seeing him next week with a few other friends. I really miss our daily dialouge over coffee. He'd always give me crap about the dem's at the statehouse, but he did admit that he voted for Obama. We made no bones about where we stood on politics, but we always kept it clean(unlike in here with some posters) and somehow, we always managed to come to the middle.
Sure, it's complicated, but don't forget where Geithner came from. That has been always my way of research--follow careers from inception. He was Rocky's boy, former president of Fed Reserve Bank of NY, directed $350 BILLION in bailouts. Some say, it was dirty to go after Lehmann and Bears Stearns, citing conflict of interest because GoldmanSachs housed his college buddies. He replaced Henry Paulson (CEO of GoldmanSachs),so where is the transparencies of their roles and how it effected the overall turnout? Why can't they just hire a bunch of guys who don't have any affiliations with each other?
This same friend told me in the Fall of 2005'..."it's about to get much worse". Since then, I followed everything he said. I'll be seeing him next week with a few other friends. I really miss our daily dialouge over coffee. He'd always give me crap about the dem's at the statehouse, but he did admit that he voted for Obama. We made no bones about where we stood on politics, but we always kept it clean(unlike in here with some posters) and somehow, we always managed to come to the middle.
Sure, it's complicated, but don't forget where Geithner came from. That has been always my way of research--follow careers from inception. He was Rocky's boy, former president of Fed Reserve Bank of NY, directed $350 BILLION in bailouts. Some say, it was dirty to go after Lehmann and Bears Stearns, citing conflict of interest because GoldmanSachs housed his college buddies. He replaced Henry Paulson (CEO of GoldmanSachs),so where is the transparencies of their roles and how it effected the overall turnout? Why can't they just hire a bunch of guys who don't have any affiliations with each other?
crusader [Member] writes:
dk,
I do agree that no one could have predicted what would have happened if they allowed the banks to fail.
But we will never know, will we?
And that was also a carefully calculated strategy, in my opinion. Just like a hand in poker--they (Congress)never called their bluff(bankers).
Either way, I'm sure it was a lose-lose situation and they opted for the lesser of the two. Nobody likes to toss the precious baby out the window with the dirty bath water.
I think of it more in terms of drawing the analogy of kidnapping.
You either pay the heavy ransom or you don't. Either way it's a great risk. If you don't have a game plan, you are at their mercy. Congress didn't have a back up plan and they contend they are not bankers and could not deal with the extremely complicated issues surrounding the ponzie scheme pyramids. So, they paid the whopping $350 billion. But the only questions is--did we gain anything back? Only time will tell. If I had to make an educated bet on what I have learned over the past four years listening to my friend, we are still on the downhill snow sled.
I do agree that no one could have predicted what would have happened if they allowed the banks to fail.
But we will never know, will we?
And that was also a carefully calculated strategy, in my opinion. Just like a hand in poker--they (Congress)never called their bluff(bankers).
Either way, I'm sure it was a lose-lose situation and they opted for the lesser of the two. Nobody likes to toss the precious baby out the window with the dirty bath water.
I think of it more in terms of drawing the analogy of kidnapping.
You either pay the heavy ransom or you don't. Either way it's a great risk. If you don't have a game plan, you are at their mercy. Congress didn't have a back up plan and they contend they are not bankers and could not deal with the extremely complicated issues surrounding the ponzie scheme pyramids. So, they paid the whopping $350 billion. But the only questions is--did we gain anything back? Only time will tell. If I had to make an educated bet on what I have learned over the past four years listening to my friend, we are still on the downhill snow sled.
possee [Member] writes:
crusader/dk
Please read my prior comments on Bushitis here.
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possee
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possee
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"We are like a relief pitcher stepping into the ninth inning and we can’t just redo the whole game,” Budget Director Peter Orszag said.
crusader [Member] writes:
Ned, somehow I missed your best post, yesterday! IMAO...(guess I was on the road)
Ned [Member] writes:
"Didn't Rush go deaf for a while from mixing Oxycontin and Viagra? His Viagra bust happened on the way back from the Dominican Republic... he'd gone with Abramoff and some pals who'd promised there was a super-hooker there who could make even Rush potent. She may've put him in a Dominican Headlock that busted his eardrums"...
The guy is a creaton, a pig, a woman hater and a racist. Is there anything worse?
Ned [Member] writes:
"Didn't Rush go deaf for a while from mixing Oxycontin and Viagra? His Viagra bust happened on the way back from the Dominican Republic... he'd gone with Abramoff and some pals who'd promised there was a super-hooker there who could make even Rush potent. She may've put him in a Dominican Headlock that busted his eardrums"...
The guy is a creaton, a pig, a woman hater and a racist. Is there anything worse?
crusader [Member] writes:
possee,
What can I say? I'm not happy with Obama's stalling and catering to the rotten corrupt Aholes on Wallstreet and the Military Complex.
As dad use to say, "the capitalist pigs will always make war because it makes money" and "if the American people knew what atrocities our govt. has committed in other countries, they would be shocked". I never knew how dad had this knowledge, but later I found out that his nephew had worked for the govt. We share that, you and I. One is retired (is there ever such a thing..don't answer that)...we've gone too far, possee. That is what the major problem is now. We can't go back. How much fallout is expected of our economy? What is their master plan? When do we form the bread lines? Obama should have never allowed Geithner to take the lead. I think it was his greatest downfall. Fire all of them, and put some rookies in. How could it be any worse? If they can hire temps they can hire rookies. Most of these guys have had it too easy for tooooooo long. If you watch the previous congressional hearings on C-span it looks like comedy central.
What can I say? I'm not happy with Obama's stalling and catering to the rotten corrupt Aholes on Wallstreet and the Military Complex.
As dad use to say, "the capitalist pigs will always make war because it makes money" and "if the American people knew what atrocities our govt. has committed in other countries, they would be shocked". I never knew how dad had this knowledge, but later I found out that his nephew had worked for the govt. We share that, you and I. One is retired (is there ever such a thing..don't answer that)...we've gone too far, possee. That is what the major problem is now. We can't go back. How much fallout is expected of our economy? What is their master plan? When do we form the bread lines? Obama should have never allowed Geithner to take the lead. I think it was his greatest downfall. Fire all of them, and put some rookies in. How could it be any worse? If they can hire temps they can hire rookies. Most of these guys have had it too easy for tooooooo long. If you watch the previous congressional hearings on C-span it looks like comedy central.
Ned [Member] writes:
"The guy is a creaton, a pig, a woman hater and a racist. Is there anything worse?" Sure! A Problematic Resident.
crusader [Member] writes:
Now, Neddy, let's try to keep the peace.
Hey, I did some research on Rush, btw. It seems his family members are among the judicial body, and also lawyers. Bet that's how he dodged the draft. Married 3 times, left the forth relationship, never a good student, only wanted radio, sounds like Beck is his clone. Some of his cloaked references include: Bela Pelosi, Ben Affliction, Calypso Louie, Club Gitmo, Communist News Network, Dingy Harry, ditto-heads, Feminazi, Fort Worthless Jim, The Garbage Network, Iraqnophobia, K.O.O.K.S., Nostrildamis, Operation Chaos, testicle lockbox, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jargon_of_The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show
And he is a frequent guest of FOX NEWS...why am I NOT SURPRISED...LOL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh
And that joke about B.Frank and "uranus"...guess I left one out--hates gays as well.
He and Ann "just like a man" Coulter make a great pair, not as Pres. and VP...what kind of hell would that be?
Hey, I did some research on Rush, btw. It seems his family members are among the judicial body, and also lawyers. Bet that's how he dodged the draft. Married 3 times, left the forth relationship, never a good student, only wanted radio, sounds like Beck is his clone. Some of his cloaked references include: Bela Pelosi, Ben Affliction, Calypso Louie, Club Gitmo, Communist News Network, Dingy Harry, ditto-heads, Feminazi, Fort Worthless Jim, The Garbage Network, Iraqnophobia, K.O.O.K.S., Nostrildamis, Operation Chaos, testicle lockbox, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jargon_of_The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show
And he is a frequent guest of FOX NEWS...why am I NOT SURPRISED...LOL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh
And that joke about B.Frank and "uranus"...guess I left one out--hates gays as well.
He and Ann "just like a man" Coulter make a great pair, not as Pres. and VP...what kind of hell would that be?
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Hey cru, why didn't Gerry Studds ever use bookmarks?
He preferred to bend the page over.
He preferred to bend the page over.
karent2 [Member] writes:
HOW DARE YOU!!!??? HE'S A DEMOCRAT!!!
bittersweet [Member] writes:
uhhh, all the people russhhhh insults ARE democrats!
And don't forget "Pot-smoking -draft-dodger".
Which, by the way, he was as well.
And don't forget "Pot-smoking -draft-dodger".
Which, by the way, he was as well.
Buzz [Member] writes:
"And he is a frequent guest of FOX NEWS."
Really? How frequent?
Really? How frequent?
bittersweet [Member] writes:
More than enough...along with that a-hole Rove.And can we mention the Clinton News Network....so vilified by ruuusshhh. Should be interesting to see how he vilifies Fox, once it's general manager or ceo whatever, runs for president.
Foolish
Old
Xenophobes.
Foolish
Old
Xenophobes.
Buzz [Member] writes:
If it were true... it would be a bad thing why?
Buzz [Member] writes:
bitter,
As usual, you raise some very good points. Maybe we should pass laws in this country that you and cru determine who runs for president, runs corporations and hosts radio talk shows.
We can call it the; Bittercru Fairness Law".
As usual, you raise some very good points. Maybe we should pass laws in this country that you and cru determine who runs for president, runs corporations and hosts radio talk shows.
We can call it the; Bittercru Fairness Law".
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey Walker,
Too many to match, not enough space....how are those flip-flops at the peeing contest holding out?
... "Earlier today Senator Craig said he'd like to turn over a new page. I believe his name is Kevin" --David Letterman
"The Democrats may have control of the House, but the Republicans have control of the bathrooms." --Jay Leno
"It's kind of ironic. The whole time he was copping a feel, he was actually feeling a cop." --Jay Leno
"The guy was arrested for lewd behavior in the men's room, and I'm thinking, 'Well, hell. I'm lucky if I can get a hand dryer to blow'" --David Letterman
"Sen. Larry Craig said today yes he is gay, but he never inhaled." --Jay Leno
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sexandpolitics/a/larrycraigjokes_2.htm
Too many to match, not enough space....how are those flip-flops at the peeing contest holding out?
... "Earlier today Senator Craig said he'd like to turn over a new page. I believe his name is Kevin" --David Letterman
"The Democrats may have control of the House, but the Republicans have control of the bathrooms." --Jay Leno
"It's kind of ironic. The whole time he was copping a feel, he was actually feeling a cop." --Jay Leno
"The guy was arrested for lewd behavior in the men's room, and I'm thinking, 'Well, hell. I'm lucky if I can get a hand dryer to blow'" --David Letterman
"Sen. Larry Craig said today yes he is gay, but he never inhaled." --Jay Leno
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sexandpolitics/a/larrycraigjokes_2.htm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey bitter,
Better than to have ditto-head laws.
Better than to have ditto-head laws.
crusader [Member] writes:
wiki has the entire pathetic story of a creaton who many hopeless delustionals adore, maybe he's the next Jim Jones who will entice with his poison koolaid.....
"In 2007, Limbaugh made cameo appearances on Fox News Channel's short-lived The 1/2 Hour News Hour in a series of parodies portraying him as the future President of the United States. In the parodies, his vice president was fellow conservative pundit Ann Coulter. He also made a cameo in the Family Guy episode "Blue Harvest". In the episode, a parody of Star Wars, Limbaugh can be heard on the radio claiming...the "intergalactic liberal space media" was lying about climate change on the planet Hoth, and that Lando Calrissian's adm. position on Cloud City was a result of affirmative action. His persona has often been utilized as a template for a stereotypical conservative talk show host on TV shows and in movies, including an episode of The Simpsons (as a conservative talk radio host named Birch Barlow), as "Gus Baker" on an episode of Beavis, Butt-head, as "Lash Rambo"..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaug
"In 2007, Limbaugh made cameo appearances on Fox News Channel's short-lived The 1/2 Hour News Hour in a series of parodies portraying him as the future President of the United States. In the parodies, his vice president was fellow conservative pundit Ann Coulter. He also made a cameo in the Family Guy episode "Blue Harvest". In the episode, a parody of Star Wars, Limbaugh can be heard on the radio claiming...the "intergalactic liberal space media" was lying about climate change on the planet Hoth, and that Lando Calrissian's adm. position on Cloud City was a result of affirmative action. His persona has often been utilized as a template for a stereotypical conservative talk show host on TV shows and in movies, including an episode of The Simpsons (as a conservative talk radio host named Birch Barlow), as "Gus Baker" on an episode of Beavis, Butt-head, as "Lash Rambo"..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaug
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"Maybe we should pass laws in this country that you and cru determine who runs for president, runs corporations and hosts radio talk shows."
What we should pass are laws that prevent that from happening.....or do we already have them? And are they ignored like the FCC and Fed ignored their regulating powers, which led to this current fiasco?
Well, if Ailes runs for pres and his television station is a 24 hr a day campaign for him....
Then you would have to have a Democratic channel, an Independent channel, a Green channel, a Respect channel, a Constitution channel, etc etc.
After all, they are PUBLIC airwaves, and if they turn into an arm of any political machine, well that kind of negates the whole concept of PUBLIC doesn't it?
It then becomes more like a private entity using public means for private gain. HEY....wait a minute...deja vu. This is the last 30 years in a nutshell!!
What we should pass are laws that prevent that from happening.....or do we already have them? And are they ignored like the FCC and Fed ignored their regulating powers, which led to this current fiasco?
Well, if Ailes runs for pres and his television station is a 24 hr a day campaign for him....
Then you would have to have a Democratic channel, an Independent channel, a Green channel, a Respect channel, a Constitution channel, etc etc.
After all, they are PUBLIC airwaves, and if they turn into an arm of any political machine, well that kind of negates the whole concept of PUBLIC doesn't it?
It then becomes more like a private entity using public means for private gain. HEY....wait a minute...deja vu. This is the last 30 years in a nutshell!!
Richard [Member] writes:
I'm waiting, petey
I expressly asked you about whether you disagree with the substantive principles I stated in this post, asking that you get back either to say you agree in order to find some common ground, or if you disagree to provide some well reasoned analysis as to why. That's what's called "debate," as opposed to your right wing invective.
Your apparent inability to do either clearly proves my point about you right wing reactionary bozos, you got nothin' but the same-old Ouingnut Ouija "talking points," only this time you had to reach way back off the board to come up with a lame, gay-bashing joke about Gerry Studds.
Keep it up, petey baby, 'cause every time you post here you only prove my point about the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of today's "conservative" GOP and the people who support them.
More lame jokes about Studds, or Obama or attacks on "liberalism" in general that have nothing to do with the actual topic at hand? Fine. It just adds more weight to what I'm saying about today's GOP. Like Ann Richards said about bush, you're all hat and no cattle.
I expressly asked you about whether you disagree with the substantive principles I stated in this post, asking that you get back either to say you agree in order to find some common ground, or if you disagree to provide some well reasoned analysis as to why. That's what's called "debate," as opposed to your right wing invective.
Your apparent inability to do either clearly proves my point about you right wing reactionary bozos, you got nothin' but the same-old Ouingnut Ouija "talking points," only this time you had to reach way back off the board to come up with a lame, gay-bashing joke about Gerry Studds.
Keep it up, petey baby, 'cause every time you post here you only prove my point about the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of today's "conservative" GOP and the people who support them.
More lame jokes about Studds, or Obama or attacks on "liberalism" in general that have nothing to do with the actual topic at hand? Fine. It just adds more weight to what I'm saying about today's GOP. Like Ann Richards said about bush, you're all hat and no cattle.
maverick [Member] writes:
Richard..."-Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion."
Nor should you. Were the revolutionists armed? Or did the carry slingshots?
"Concerning the Blair-Holt proposed legislation: Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun.
In November, our president promised he was not going after our Second Amendment rights. This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage, http://www.senate.gov//
Nor should you. Were the revolutionists armed? Or did the carry slingshots?
"Concerning the Blair-Holt proposed legislation: Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun.
In November, our president promised he was not going after our Second Amendment rights. This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage, http://www.senate.gov//
bittersweet [Member] writes:
crusader--
He wins the di_k head award of all time.
Hands down.
God, that cigar-stuffing smugness.
Someone should do a montage of him when he gets so riled up insulting people...like that montage you linked of political leaders dancing...that was funny!
And here's one from Les Visible's Smoking Mirrors blog:
"Auto-Tune the News #9: Nobel. health care. United Nations."-(you tube)
He wins the di_k head award of all time.
Hands down.
God, that cigar-stuffing smugness.
Someone should do a montage of him when he gets so riled up insulting people...like that montage you linked of political leaders dancing...that was funny!
And here's one from Les Visible's Smoking Mirrors blog:
"Auto-Tune the News #9: Nobel. health care. United Nations."-(you tube)
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
I'm waiting, dicky.
I expressly asked you 3 questions in my first post, evidently the same rules don’t apply to the self -important elite.
If you want to live in a warm and fuzzy Kumbayah type of world then we have common ground. If you are naïve enough to believe we can “compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose” then we are “open to debate.”
Try being intellectual with those who want to “wipe out Israel” and decent with those who have declared “death to the infidels”.
The saying,”Peace through superior firepower”, is not just a soldier’s hoo-rah, it is a reality. The entire idea behind the Trident submarine was, “if we have them, we’ll never have to use them” and most will agree it worked.
Your turn, as I asked before; Are you now asserting that you possess such a superior intellect that the unwashed minions who disagree with you are incapable of understanding or appreciating your “essential wisdom”? In other words; those who disagree with you are wrong.
Another question, do you have any clue what a “constitutionalists" is? ‘cause you ain’t i
I expressly asked you 3 questions in my first post, evidently the same rules don’t apply to the self -important elite.
If you want to live in a warm and fuzzy Kumbayah type of world then we have common ground. If you are naïve enough to believe we can “compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose” then we are “open to debate.”
Try being intellectual with those who want to “wipe out Israel” and decent with those who have declared “death to the infidels”.
The saying,”Peace through superior firepower”, is not just a soldier’s hoo-rah, it is a reality. The entire idea behind the Trident submarine was, “if we have them, we’ll never have to use them” and most will agree it worked.
Your turn, as I asked before; Are you now asserting that you possess such a superior intellect that the unwashed minions who disagree with you are incapable of understanding or appreciating your “essential wisdom”? In other words; those who disagree with you are wrong.
Another question, do you have any clue what a “constitutionalists" is? ‘cause you ain’t i
karent2 [Member] writes:
get some fresh air and fresh ideas. Does anyone have a life outside this site?
Jeesh ...
Jeesh ...
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
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‘cause you ain’t it dick'
A constitutionalists view of "the "general welfare" clause (Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 1) is not the delegation of a power, but a restriction of the power to raise taxes (and spend the funds raised) to only those things that benefit the nation generally, and not just some region or group. There is no federal power to make "internal improvements" unless they are incidental to a delegated power, such as defense."
How are you making out with all those names of competent climatologists, oceanographers and geologists?
Or proof of Joe Wilson's racism or any of the myriad of unfounded statements you have made and been asked to qualify?
Talk about all sizzle and no steak!
"Does anyone have a life outside this site?"
Some do karen but I am not at liberty to divulge that information at this particular time.
‘cause you ain’t it dick'
A constitutionalists view of "the "general welfare" clause (Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 1) is not the delegation of a power, but a restriction of the power to raise taxes (and spend the funds raised) to only those things that benefit the nation generally, and not just some region or group. There is no federal power to make "internal improvements" unless they are incidental to a delegated power, such as defense."
How are you making out with all those names of competent climatologists, oceanographers and geologists?
Or proof of Joe Wilson's racism or any of the myriad of unfounded statements you have made and been asked to qualify?
Talk about all sizzle and no steak!
"Does anyone have a life outside this site?"
Some do karen but I am not at liberty to divulge that information at this particular time.
maverick [Member] writes:
Any chance bitter and cru might participate in "Survivor" and not?
Are they paid by the word?
Are they paid by the word?
crusader [Member] writes:
Maverick,
You and your buddy Buzz have had a grand ole time condemning our President and this new administration without looking at ALL the FACTS. You think you get facts from FOX, Beck and Rush? You're kidding?
If you wish to be a big fan of Rush and Beck, that my friend is your problem.
I try to accept everyone without judging them by their political affiliations. My friend who worked at Wallstreet has always subscribed to the Republican doctrine. I didn't care. I like him for the person he is first. We can put our political views aside, don't always agree. However, this election he admitted voting for Obama. Even he, realized that the Bush/Cheney hijack of American and Iraq was a bad deal.
We can all have our own views without the hate and racial remarks. It's not the way to go and it is very dangerous to tread on that mine field, sailor.
You can listen to Rush and Beck, just don't become as they are, or their brainwashed listeners. I tell you--you will be going down the wrong path, Maverick. These are different times now. We must all adjust if we wish to survive.
You and your buddy Buzz have had a grand ole time condemning our President and this new administration without looking at ALL the FACTS. You think you get facts from FOX, Beck and Rush? You're kidding?
If you wish to be a big fan of Rush and Beck, that my friend is your problem.
I try to accept everyone without judging them by their political affiliations. My friend who worked at Wallstreet has always subscribed to the Republican doctrine. I didn't care. I like him for the person he is first. We can put our political views aside, don't always agree. However, this election he admitted voting for Obama. Even he, realized that the Bush/Cheney hijack of American and Iraq was a bad deal.
We can all have our own views without the hate and racial remarks. It's not the way to go and it is very dangerous to tread on that mine field, sailor.
You can listen to Rush and Beck, just don't become as they are, or their brainwashed listeners. I tell you--you will be going down the wrong path, Maverick. These are different times now. We must all adjust if we wish to survive.
crusader [Member] writes:
"Does anyone have a life outside this site?"
Some do karen but I am not at liberty to divulge that information at this particular time.
****
Well, isn't it evident--since you both are keeping tabs. Is someone paying you to report back?
I guess it's no fun as long as the democratic voices of free speech are around to keep it balanced. When does the Rush/Coulter/Beck tag team arrive to show the readers how slanted to the right you are? Or haven't they all figured that out, by now?
Some do karen but I am not at liberty to divulge that information at this particular time.
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Well, isn't it evident--since you both are keeping tabs. Is someone paying you to report back?
I guess it's no fun as long as the democratic voices of free speech are around to keep it balanced. When does the Rush/Coulter/Beck tag team arrive to show the readers how slanted to the right you are? Or haven't they all figured that out, by now?
maverick [Member] writes:
cru..."We can all have our own views without the hate and racial remarks. It's not the way to go and it is very dangerous to tread on that mine field, sailor."
Is this a veiled threat? Take a hike.
I will survive with or without you and please save your advice for someone else.
PS...you kissed Howie Carr's ass on this blog for years. What happened? He refuse to sign your book at the signing?
Is this a veiled threat? Take a hike.
I will survive with or without you and please save your advice for someone else.
PS...you kissed Howie Carr's ass on this blog for years. What happened? He refuse to sign your book at the signing?
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Is someone paying you to report back?
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I am not at liberty to divulge that information at this particular time.
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I am not at liberty to divulge that information at this particular time.
countingcharacter [Member] writes:
Gee Walter's pockets must be running pretty deep to employ someone to write on this blog 24/7 at $.5 a word.....but we have to create some mystery in the world, mustn't we? I've counted 50 characters at least out of one pen.
crusader [Member] writes:
A veiled threat, Maverick? I think you are spending too much time with idiots like Buzz. You really don't know what you're saying. I merely point out the obvious. You are the one being negative and insulting. I don't understand your mood swings. One minute you are really very pleasant, the next you are hateful.
The day I stopped listening to Howie Carr was the day I heard he entertained prosecutor Welsh on his show to further taint the case and continue the hate targeted at the "black trash man", if you must know. I read his book, thought it was well done, but he left out the MOST IMPORTANT, MAVERICK. Like the corruption and how it doesn't stop at the DA's office. Shall I go further? Let's leave it there, we all know where the almighty buck stops, don't we? And you and I have agreed on much, especially this topic, but I cannot just ignore your comments anymore. They disappoint me. I have also gone to bat for you many times, but obviously your allegiance is to Buzz and his continued work in discrediting me. So be it. I remain confident that someday the ugly truth will surface.
The day I stopped listening to Howie Carr was the day I heard he entertained prosecutor Welsh on his show to further taint the case and continue the hate targeted at the "black trash man", if you must know. I read his book, thought it was well done, but he left out the MOST IMPORTANT, MAVERICK. Like the corruption and how it doesn't stop at the DA's office. Shall I go further? Let's leave it there, we all know where the almighty buck stops, don't we? And you and I have agreed on much, especially this topic, but I cannot just ignore your comments anymore. They disappoint me. I have also gone to bat for you many times, but obviously your allegiance is to Buzz and his continued work in discrediting me. So be it. I remain confident that someday the ugly truth will surface.
crusader [Member] writes:
BTW, I don't take a paycheck from Walter. I do this at my own free will, but I can see that is being challenged now as well. I'm still waiting for Manso's lousy $300 bucks for looking up property deeds in Barnstable. I learned he too has his own private agenda, as so many others, and told him to keep his filthy money and walked away.
At first, my reasons for the interest in the case was based on the fact I didn't condone what my former boss said about Christa, "she was nothin' but trouble and deserved what she got". (Fall 2002)..those words came back to haunt me after the "black trashman" was jailed (Spring 2005). I was asked by a third party to write for this site, I agreed. I had no idea how hateful people could be when someone comes along to point out the obvious problems that exists on that island, esp. as it pertains to someone of color, or who has a different way of life. I'm not someone who is easily intimidated. If I believe in something, I stick it out until the end.
At first, my reasons for the interest in the case was based on the fact I didn't condone what my former boss said about Christa, "she was nothin' but trouble and deserved what she got". (Fall 2002)..those words came back to haunt me after the "black trashman" was jailed (Spring 2005). I was asked by a third party to write for this site, I agreed. I had no idea how hateful people could be when someone comes along to point out the obvious problems that exists on that island, esp. as it pertains to someone of color, or who has a different way of life. I'm not someone who is easily intimidated. If I believe in something, I stick it out until the end.
crusader [Member] writes:
Just recently, I met a member of the Vonnegut family, a relative of Kurt Vonnegut to be precise. Interesting discussion we had. I mentioned that I had read some of his relative's work, and his article about the 1969 murders. The next thing out of his mouth was quite a surprise, but not shocking..."Cap Cod is a Cult". He would not elaborate and I didn't pursue it. Some of us have already known.
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru says: " obviously your allegiance is to Buzz and his continued work in discrediting me"
What the hell does that mean? Blogging is nothing more than as$holes like me and YOU offering our meaningless opinions. Don't think for a moment what you say, bitter says, possee says, mav says or Ned says (well maybe Ned, he is brilliant) matters a hill of beans.
With that said, "discrediting" you is like shooting fish in a barrel. You come to this site, sharing personal information while blaming everyone but YOURSELF for your failings. I point out your inaccurate statements or a regular basis, you don't correct them because you can't.... then you have the audacity to say "I'm" trying to discredit you?
You have no credit in the first place... you are NOT a writer or journalist, you are a blogger.... dime a dozen. Don't give yourself too much credit.
What the hell does that mean? Blogging is nothing more than as$holes like me and YOU offering our meaningless opinions. Don't think for a moment what you say, bitter says, possee says, mav says or Ned says (well maybe Ned, he is brilliant) matters a hill of beans.
With that said, "discrediting" you is like shooting fish in a barrel. You come to this site, sharing personal information while blaming everyone but YOURSELF for your failings. I point out your inaccurate statements or a regular basis, you don't correct them because you can't.... then you have the audacity to say "I'm" trying to discredit you?
You have no credit in the first place... you are NOT a writer or journalist, you are a blogger.... dime a dozen. Don't give yourself too much credit.
Buzz [Member] writes:
"Cap Cod is a Cult".
This misspelled and meaningless statement is brought to you by cru.... once again, never ever offering a name or source. Could it be made up? We report... you decide.
This misspelled and meaningless statement is brought to you by cru.... once again, never ever offering a name or source. Could it be made up? We report... you decide.
maverick [Member] writes:
cru..."I have also gone to bat for you many times".
Save your "at bats" for someone else.
I don't require moral support as in the trilogy of cru, ned and bitter.
You folks enjoy your circle jerk and leave me the hell out of it.
Save your "at bats" for someone else.
I don't require moral support as in the trilogy of cru, ned and bitter.
You folks enjoy your circle jerk and leave me the hell out of it.
Richard [Member] writes:
Thank you, petey
Your questions are off point, once again. I posted a series of specific talking points that I believe in and asked whether you wingnuts agree or disagree with them in substance, not whether I think I'm smarter than the "unwashed minions," your term not mine, nor whether I'm a constitutionalist within your Humpty Dumpty usage of the term.
But you did address some of my subtantive statements and you apparently equate the principles I listed as being some kind of warm-fuzzy kumbayah philosophy with which you would like to agree, but you feel you can't because it's "naive" to resolve differences without arms and we have to have more weapons than anyone else.
I say "thank you" because you prove once again my main point about how far the GOP has gone to the extreme right after the Reagan "revolution." All of the statements in this post were "plagiarized" -from Dwight David Eisenhower, a real conservative and a truly great leader who wouldn't have a place in today's GOP.
Meanwhile, Obama's policies that you assail are much closer to Ike's than were Bush's. QED
Your questions are off point, once again. I posted a series of specific talking points that I believe in and asked whether you wingnuts agree or disagree with them in substance, not whether I think I'm smarter than the "unwashed minions," your term not mine, nor whether I'm a constitutionalist within your Humpty Dumpty usage of the term.
But you did address some of my subtantive statements and you apparently equate the principles I listed as being some kind of warm-fuzzy kumbayah philosophy with which you would like to agree, but you feel you can't because it's "naive" to resolve differences without arms and we have to have more weapons than anyone else.
I say "thank you" because you prove once again my main point about how far the GOP has gone to the extreme right after the Reagan "revolution." All of the statements in this post were "plagiarized" -from Dwight David Eisenhower, a real conservative and a truly great leader who wouldn't have a place in today's GOP.
Meanwhile, Obama's policies that you assail are much closer to Ike's than were Bush's. QED
karent2 [Member] writes:
Buzz's post of 4:47 is dead on.
crusader [Member] writes:
Mr. Vonnegut told me, "CAPE COD IS A CULT". That is his name. You want his SS#, home address, phone number? SCREW YOU. I only care about those I have respect for, not you.
People have a right to know what some of us endured on that island, so they can beware of the scumbags, like that EASTHAM FIREMAN who portrays himself to be an upstanding member of the community, a loser, w/his brother who tried to take my house illegaly, filthy squatters, didn't pay rent for over 6 months. Funny? He lost his job because the town had enough of his lame ass and good for them they were able to get rid of him. But you're too busy trying to condemn me all the time for posting FACTS. Can't handle it? TOUGH SHIT. You think this is entertainment? Maybe when your life falls apart from people sabotaging it, some will have a good laugh too, but you know who to side with, because you are a coward. Do not address me in the future since I won't be replying. That goes for that other wacko karen. Someday, the world will see what kind of people you harbor down there. I'll be waiting for that day.
People have a right to know what some of us endured on that island, so they can beware of the scumbags, like that EASTHAM FIREMAN who portrays himself to be an upstanding member of the community, a loser, w/his brother who tried to take my house illegaly, filthy squatters, didn't pay rent for over 6 months. Funny? He lost his job because the town had enough of his lame ass and good for them they were able to get rid of him. But you're too busy trying to condemn me all the time for posting FACTS. Can't handle it? TOUGH SHIT. You think this is entertainment? Maybe when your life falls apart from people sabotaging it, some will have a good laugh too, but you know who to side with, because you are a coward. Do not address me in the future since I won't be replying. That goes for that other wacko karen. Someday, the world will see what kind of people you harbor down there. I'll be waiting for that day.
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru,
No SS#, no address, no phone # ... how about a "first name"?
No SS#, no address, no phone # ... how about a "first name"?
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Rich,
You mention that Ike would have no place in today's GOP and you're right. Have you seen the uproar about that special election in upstate New York where the GOP nominee has the temerity to be pro-Choice? Major Republicans from across the country are falling over themselves to repudiate the candidate. I guess GOP litmus tests abound.
How would you compare today's Democratic party to the Democrats of the 50s, 60s and 70s?
I'm pretty sure that the Dems are less liberal than they were in the 70s and 80s, when I started watching politics. Back then, the Senate was full of Kennedys, Metzembaums, Harkins, Wellstones, etc. There are fewer far left Dems because the Reagan revolution moved the whole political spectrum to the Right.
Thoughts?
You mention that Ike would have no place in today's GOP and you're right. Have you seen the uproar about that special election in upstate New York where the GOP nominee has the temerity to be pro-Choice? Major Republicans from across the country are falling over themselves to repudiate the candidate. I guess GOP litmus tests abound.
How would you compare today's Democratic party to the Democrats of the 50s, 60s and 70s?
I'm pretty sure that the Dems are less liberal than they were in the 70s and 80s, when I started watching politics. Back then, the Senate was full of Kennedys, Metzembaums, Harkins, Wellstones, etc. There are fewer far left Dems because the Reagan revolution moved the whole political spectrum to the Right.
Thoughts?
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru says: "who tried to take my house illegaly, filthy squatters, didn't pay rent for over 6 months."
Unlike someone, I don't like to share personal information on this site, but I'll make this exception. We are overseeing a rental property for a family member unable to make decisions. The tenant was two months behind on his rent and refused to respond to us. Took him to court and had all the back pay and the judge said if he didn't make the timely payments, sheriff would evict him.
Now I ask, how do you let someone stay in a property that your about to loose without getting him evicted? Sounds like there's more to the story.
Unlike someone, I don't like to share personal information on this site, but I'll make this exception. We are overseeing a rental property for a family member unable to make decisions. The tenant was two months behind on his rent and refused to respond to us. Took him to court and had all the back pay and the judge said if he didn't make the timely payments, sheriff would evict him.
Now I ask, how do you let someone stay in a property that your about to loose without getting him evicted? Sounds like there's more to the story.
crusader [Member] writes:
I asked you NEVER TO ADDRESS ME AGAIN.
I am protecting him from your obvious intrusions. karen admitted she went to my facebook page, although she is fully aware she is the last person I would welcome. That is the reason facebook is set up that way, so we can keep out unwelcome intruders, aka, "stalkers". You want to know who I am, come up here with karen and meet me face to face. I'll be waiting for you at the SPD. There are laws against what you are doing, are you aware? I know I have angered some people on your so called "perfect" island when I wrote about that case. Interesting, isn't it? The real killer is suppose to be in jail, yet people out there are still stalking posters, and I'm not the only one who has experience the bullying. You want to discount what I say, and try to portray me as a "loony", go ahead. The only thing that counts is the people I have respect for and who know me. There are laws about slander, just remember that. If people were so damn innocent, I would have been approached. They are cowards who hide behind a computer screen. Neither of you have the guts.
I am protecting him from your obvious intrusions. karen admitted she went to my facebook page, although she is fully aware she is the last person I would welcome. That is the reason facebook is set up that way, so we can keep out unwelcome intruders, aka, "stalkers". You want to know who I am, come up here with karen and meet me face to face. I'll be waiting for you at the SPD. There are laws against what you are doing, are you aware? I know I have angered some people on your so called "perfect" island when I wrote about that case. Interesting, isn't it? The real killer is suppose to be in jail, yet people out there are still stalking posters, and I'm not the only one who has experience the bullying. You want to discount what I say, and try to portray me as a "loony", go ahead. The only thing that counts is the people I have respect for and who know me. There are laws about slander, just remember that. If people were so damn innocent, I would have been approached. They are cowards who hide behind a computer screen. Neither of you have the guts.
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru,
As long as I decide to blog here, I'll respond to anyone, anytime. I suggest if you don't want to receive comments, you stop blogging.
You claim to post "facts" but whenever your challenged, you come up with this nonsense.
Being a resident of CC, I'm concerned for my well being if there's a cult operating here. It's your civic responsibility to let us know who Mr Vonnegut is so we can reach out to him in order to protect our families.
Please cru..... for the children.
As long as I decide to blog here, I'll respond to anyone, anytime. I suggest if you don't want to receive comments, you stop blogging.
You claim to post "facts" but whenever your challenged, you come up with this nonsense.
Being a resident of CC, I'm concerned for my well being if there's a cult operating here. It's your civic responsibility to let us know who Mr Vonnegut is so we can reach out to him in order to protect our families.
Please cru..... for the children.
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,
You are really dumb. He was a fireman in Eastham. The cops were no help. I couldn't take the time to go through court proceedings nor hire a lawyer to toss him out. He was on disability and could not be found. Wouldn't answer his phone. I believe it was a set up, just like my daughter's car accident months later. I don't care if you don't believe a word I say, but I'm putting it out there because I have no place else to go. I know his brother got in touch with realtors to try and get the property from the bank. His brother even tampered with my mail. Later, I started to think they must have had connections and how they were not able to escape accountability. I have my reasons for not wanting to get into your court system. Isn't it obvious? Just forget it. I'm done trying to explain anything to you because you continually discount anything I have to say. Just stick to your wonderful system of justice, never mind about the hundreds who have been scammed, embezzled and defrauded. I'm certain it's not the first time. You have a MOB ELEMENT DOWN THERE that is poison. GET IT?
You are really dumb. He was a fireman in Eastham. The cops were no help. I couldn't take the time to go through court proceedings nor hire a lawyer to toss him out. He was on disability and could not be found. Wouldn't answer his phone. I believe it was a set up, just like my daughter's car accident months later. I don't care if you don't believe a word I say, but I'm putting it out there because I have no place else to go. I know his brother got in touch with realtors to try and get the property from the bank. His brother even tampered with my mail. Later, I started to think they must have had connections and how they were not able to escape accountability. I have my reasons for not wanting to get into your court system. Isn't it obvious? Just forget it. I'm done trying to explain anything to you because you continually discount anything I have to say. Just stick to your wonderful system of justice, never mind about the hundreds who have been scammed, embezzled and defrauded. I'm certain it's not the first time. You have a MOB ELEMENT DOWN THERE that is poison. GET IT?
crusader [Member] writes:
I'll be doing the happy dance when all gets exposed. Hopefully, it will go international when it does finally come out.
You know what they say--if you're not part of the problem....YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY PART OF IT.
You know what they say--if you're not part of the problem....YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY PART OF IT.
Buzz [Member] writes:
Gee cru,
Sounds really complicated. All's I did was to hire a lawyer and got my money. That's what the courts are for.
Since you never took that root, it's a shame you lost your house. Despite what you think about me, I never want to see anyone loose a house or a job. But your stories that you put out here smell fishy.
I happen to think there's more to it than you try and lead us to believe. I think you know that as well.
Sounds really complicated. All's I did was to hire a lawyer and got my money. That's what the courts are for.
Since you never took that root, it's a shame you lost your house. Despite what you think about me, I never want to see anyone loose a house or a job. But your stories that you put out here smell fishy.
I happen to think there's more to it than you try and lead us to believe. I think you know that as well.
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Ike was president when I was born dickey; it’s a whole different world out there today in case you can’t see it through that highball glass.
Ike also ended the war in the European theater and it wasn’t with a group hug.
But alas, you’re right, I’m just a wingnut and this is yet another big victory in your pathetic little world. Maybe you can use your superiority on this blog as the basis of your next misguided rant at the town meeting.
The Badge of Bombast awaits.
Cheers counselor.
Ike also ended the war in the European theater and it wasn’t with a group hug.
But alas, you’re right, I’m just a wingnut and this is yet another big victory in your pathetic little world. Maybe you can use your superiority on this blog as the basis of your next misguided rant at the town meeting.
The Badge of Bombast awaits.
Cheers counselor.
Buzz [Member] writes:
Kind of reminds me of the magician that use to post here. Claims he was writing a book, was the inspiration for a play.... all BS, none of it was true.
Ned [Member] writes:
C'mon Buzz cru's told us about the deadbeat pensioned-out fireman and his brother and their connections with the town cops a bunch of times. There also can't be that many male Vonnegut offspring onCape... do a little detective work if you're so curious... geezo you've got cru all upset... what a bizarre little literary circle we have become...
Buzz [Member] writes:
before ned comes after me... "route" sp?
Buzz [Member] writes:
Ned,
You're so right. Just trying to offer some advice and help. I actually know a woman that summered in Ptown and knew the Vonneguts. If I had a first name, i"d ask him myself. If there's a cult in town, I want to expose them.
You're so right. Just trying to offer some advice and help. I actually know a woman that summered in Ptown and knew the Vonneguts. If I had a first name, i"d ask him myself. If there's a cult in town, I want to expose them.
crusader [Member] writes:
--As long as I decide to blog here, I'll respond to anyone, anytime. I suggest if you don't want to receive comments, you stop blogging--.
FINE and I won't be responding...talk to your damn keyboard.
I will get through all of this because I am stronger than those scumbags imagine.
Here's your CULT--it's in ORLEANS as well. Read it if you dare:
http://www.caic.org.au/biblebase/abuse/capecod.htm
Macmillan: Killer Cults: Shocking True Stories of the Most ...
The Cape Cod beach town of Falmouth seemed like a lovely place to visit. But those who lived there ... Descend into the harrowing world of the Killer Cults. ...
us.macmillan.com/killercults
FINE and I won't be responding...talk to your damn keyboard.
I will get through all of this because I am stronger than those scumbags imagine.
Here's your CULT--it's in ORLEANS as well. Read it if you dare:
http://www.caic.org.au/biblebase/abuse/capecod.htm
Macmillan: Killer Cults: Shocking True Stories of the Most ...
The Cape Cod beach town of Falmouth seemed like a lovely place to visit. But those who lived there ... Descend into the harrowing world of the Killer Cults. ...
us.macmillan.com/killercults
crusader [Member] writes:
Be sure to include those articles in your vacation brochures, maybe the tourists can attend the church in S.Dennis to see for themselves.....
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Woooo! Cape Cod Crusader slams the smack-down tag team!!!
Buzz [Member] writes:
Good night cru,
Don't get to upset, it's only a blog. Just a bit of entertainment.
Don't get to upset, it's only a blog. Just a bit of entertainment.
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,
They don't have the spine to come up here and face me, do they? Nothing but gutless bullies, dime a dozen.
They don't have the spine to come up here and face me, do they? Nothing but gutless bullies, dime a dozen.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
buzz's idea of entertainment is pulling the wings off flies.
And you know something?? That article sparked a memory....a woman who used to babysit my kids had problems with a church too. It also was in the paper...in Centerville. Sometime around 2001.
Damn....it's been years since I even though of that. And Victory Chapel has long been known for its creepiness! They really DO show aborted fetus's in jars! But they are also known for helping people out...giving them furniture and food, stuff like that.
But I wouldn't go near that place with a ten foot pole.
And you know something?? That article sparked a memory....a woman who used to babysit my kids had problems with a church too. It also was in the paper...in Centerville. Sometime around 2001.
Damn....it's been years since I even though of that. And Victory Chapel has long been known for its creepiness! They really DO show aborted fetus's in jars! But they are also known for helping people out...giving them furniture and food, stuff like that.
But I wouldn't go near that place with a ten foot pole.
crusader [Member] writes:
Right Ned,
He wants to expose Mr. Vonnegut to the damn scumbag residents for bad mouthing the so called "good people of the Cape", right, coward? More dirt for your friends? How many little weasel informants you got down there? I'm sure Mr. Vonnegut does not want to talk to you or anyone else about that place. When he told me, he didn't say it with a smile on his face. And the topic ended there. I would not put him in danger or have someone turn his world upside down, as they have done to so many others. When Christa was murdered, you had a flight of over a hundred residents, what does that say? Some were in law enforcement, MD's, ME, witnesses, jurors. You think everyone is stupid? Same crap happened when Busby was shot. He and his family had to move all the time. You can't keep trying to fool everyone with your dumb act. People catch on sooner or later. I'm trying to start again, but so far, I've lost one home due to scumbag squatters, two totaled cars, lost my job, my mother fell on water, an accident in the nursing home. Just all bad luck, I guess. Trying to wear me down? NOT!
He wants to expose Mr. Vonnegut to the damn scumbag residents for bad mouthing the so called "good people of the Cape", right, coward? More dirt for your friends? How many little weasel informants you got down there? I'm sure Mr. Vonnegut does not want to talk to you or anyone else about that place. When he told me, he didn't say it with a smile on his face. And the topic ended there. I would not put him in danger or have someone turn his world upside down, as they have done to so many others. When Christa was murdered, you had a flight of over a hundred residents, what does that say? Some were in law enforcement, MD's, ME, witnesses, jurors. You think everyone is stupid? Same crap happened when Busby was shot. He and his family had to move all the time. You can't keep trying to fool everyone with your dumb act. People catch on sooner or later. I'm trying to start again, but so far, I've lost one home due to scumbag squatters, two totaled cars, lost my job, my mother fell on water, an accident in the nursing home. Just all bad luck, I guess. Trying to wear me down? NOT!
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
You have a MOB ELEMENT DOWN THERE that is poison. GET IT? The children get it!
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,
If you read the entire article written in 1995, it explains the cult church in S.Dennis that many fled from, but the claims were they were continually harassed after leaving due to fear of exposure. I just googled "Cape Cult" and that's what came up. I have reason to believe the island has people there who are extremely ruthless and diabolical in the way they attack people who try to expose them, for whatever reason. It's clannish, they try to preserve whatever they have and keep outsiders out. There is no other explanation. Visiting there is one thing, living there is something else. When I worked there, I was continually asked by employees from various jobs whether I rented or owned? Did I sell my home in Somerville? Was I married, kids, etc. Too many nosy questions and no basis for any of it. This link confirms it now. I don't know if church still exists, but if there is one, there must be more. Several people told me the church in Orleans takes all possessions from their followers, then they house entire families and separate them from their children. Just rumors?
If you read the entire article written in 1995, it explains the cult church in S.Dennis that many fled from, but the claims were they were continually harassed after leaving due to fear of exposure. I just googled "Cape Cult" and that's what came up. I have reason to believe the island has people there who are extremely ruthless and diabolical in the way they attack people who try to expose them, for whatever reason. It's clannish, they try to preserve whatever they have and keep outsiders out. There is no other explanation. Visiting there is one thing, living there is something else. When I worked there, I was continually asked by employees from various jobs whether I rented or owned? Did I sell my home in Somerville? Was I married, kids, etc. Too many nosy questions and no basis for any of it. This link confirms it now. I don't know if church still exists, but if there is one, there must be more. Several people told me the church in Orleans takes all possessions from their followers, then they house entire families and separate them from their children. Just rumors?
crusader [Member] writes:
Ana,
I don't know if you followed the story of Officer Busby from Falmouth. He and his daughter wrote a book, "The Year We Disappeared". Michele McPhee, a Boston writer had written, "Murder She Wrought", Boston Magazine--
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/murder_she_wrought/
c 2009, "When Evil Rules", by McPhee, on same story, about Melvin Reine.
I don't know if you followed the story of Officer Busby from Falmouth. He and his daughter wrote a book, "The Year We Disappeared". Michele McPhee, a Boston writer had written, "Murder She Wrought", Boston Magazine--
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/murder_she_wrought/
c 2009, "When Evil Rules", by McPhee, on same story, about Melvin Reine.
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,
Buzz says I'm no journalist, or writer, just an A$$hole blogger like him and others....
Speak for yourself--A$$HOLE.
I don't get paid by anyone to write BULLSHIT, but what I blog is not a grimms fairytale. It is REAL LIFE. The advantage I had over writers and journalists is that I had absolutely nothing to gain, unlike that profiteering ditz Flook, or that shriveled up, pathetic old fool Manso. Journalism? HA! The Cape Cod Times did such a thorough job gathering the facts, it took everyone's breath away. I could hardly wait for the next dull repetitive column months on end. And the highlight, the overall major focus was the DA and Flook getting it on! What news! Award winning coverage! Who the F cares. Meanwhile, they are racking up millions in a botched up investigation. How proud can Cape law enforcement be? And let us not forget about that DNA fiasco in the ever so quaint town of Truro. One neighbor's dad (born and raised in Truro..don't bother to ask Buzz) told me, "I told them I would supply my DNA, only when the entire TPD submits their own first". Well, there it is.
Buzz says I'm no journalist, or writer, just an A$$hole blogger like him and others....
Speak for yourself--A$$HOLE.
I don't get paid by anyone to write BULLSHIT, but what I blog is not a grimms fairytale. It is REAL LIFE. The advantage I had over writers and journalists is that I had absolutely nothing to gain, unlike that profiteering ditz Flook, or that shriveled up, pathetic old fool Manso. Journalism? HA! The Cape Cod Times did such a thorough job gathering the facts, it took everyone's breath away. I could hardly wait for the next dull repetitive column months on end. And the highlight, the overall major focus was the DA and Flook getting it on! What news! Award winning coverage! Who the F cares. Meanwhile, they are racking up millions in a botched up investigation. How proud can Cape law enforcement be? And let us not forget about that DNA fiasco in the ever so quaint town of Truro. One neighbor's dad (born and raised in Truro..don't bother to ask Buzz) told me, "I told them I would supply my DNA, only when the entire TPD submits their own first". Well, there it is.
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey bitter,
Have you ever watched, "Pride and Glory", with Ed Norton, Colin Farrell and Jon Voight. 2008. If not, I would recommend it. I've watched it more than a few times. For some reason, it reminds me of ALL THIS.
Have you ever watched, "Pride and Glory", with Ed Norton, Colin Farrell and Jon Voight. 2008. If not, I would recommend it. I've watched it more than a few times. For some reason, it reminds me of ALL THIS.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Are you talking about the Community of Jesus?
I read an article once where a man and his son(?) left it and called it a cult.....wait a minute! A news-show did a show on it too, I think. 20/20?? Maybe PBS.
And when Ana mentioned kids...it just rings true, because when my then-husband and I came here in '85, we were warned not to let our kids trick-or-treat alone because there were Satanic groups around. Never experienced it, but -and I'm sorry to say this- I always found the locals kind of strange. Very back-stabbing to each other. And that's just me, and I don't know a whole lot of people...but I do live and work here...it's just a personal observation.
And my daughter claims the kids in this one town are all "the product of incest". Which I'm sure they're not, but it's odd that she would say that.
There is something not-quite-right here.....don't know what it is.
I read an article once where a man and his son(?) left it and called it a cult.....wait a minute! A news-show did a show on it too, I think. 20/20?? Maybe PBS.
And when Ana mentioned kids...it just rings true, because when my then-husband and I came here in '85, we were warned not to let our kids trick-or-treat alone because there were Satanic groups around. Never experienced it, but -and I'm sorry to say this- I always found the locals kind of strange. Very back-stabbing to each other. And that's just me, and I don't know a whole lot of people...but I do live and work here...it's just a personal observation.
And my daughter claims the kids in this one town are all "the product of incest". Which I'm sure they're not, but it's odd that she would say that.
There is something not-quite-right here.....don't know what it is.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
And no, but I will watch that movie. Finally saw "The Departed", and- wow.
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Cru, no I didn't but now I have cuddle up reading material, thank you!
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,
I don't think your daughter is making it up. Mazzone told me he tried to investigate cases, but road blocks went up when he tried to pursue. He said he was there for 12 years and "that place ripped a piece of my soul away". He wouldn't say all he went through, but I could tell whatever it was traumatized him for life. He use to live in the next town from me and although I know he was viewed as a bad cop, I really don't think he is, some of them just have little choice...you know, "go along to get along". Everyone needs a job, some choose to look the other way. If he could never pull drivers over for OUI's because they were town selectmen, or locals, couldn't arrest local kids for drugs, or arrest a father for violating his own child--what then? What is the cop suppose to do? Transfer out? Move away? Well, he finally did and think he's much happier now, but his experiences there left deep scars, as it did me. Some things you never forget. other things you don't think about ever again. Somehow in between it all, I will come out of it, but I will not hide, go away as they want!
I don't think your daughter is making it up. Mazzone told me he tried to investigate cases, but road blocks went up when he tried to pursue. He said he was there for 12 years and "that place ripped a piece of my soul away". He wouldn't say all he went through, but I could tell whatever it was traumatized him for life. He use to live in the next town from me and although I know he was viewed as a bad cop, I really don't think he is, some of them just have little choice...you know, "go along to get along". Everyone needs a job, some choose to look the other way. If he could never pull drivers over for OUI's because they were town selectmen, or locals, couldn't arrest local kids for drugs, or arrest a father for violating his own child--what then? What is the cop suppose to do? Transfer out? Move away? Well, he finally did and think he's much happier now, but his experiences there left deep scars, as it did me. Some things you never forget. other things you don't think about ever again. Somehow in between it all, I will come out of it, but I will not hide, go away as they want!
crusader [Member] writes:
Ana,
If "cuddle up reading material" is all you like to read...that's far from it. np.
If "cuddle up reading material" is all you like to read...that's far from it. np.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
What they did before during and after that trial has left it's scar on me too.
Same as 9/11. Heart-broken, and as the bible says, "The ground cries out with their blood."
As someone always said...they are psychopaths. And their sickness rubs off on everyone.
Same as 9/11. Heart-broken, and as the bible says, "The ground cries out with their blood."
As someone always said...they are psychopaths. And their sickness rubs off on everyone.
crusader [Member] writes:
bitter,
The only way for it to end is when the FBI show up on their sand dune--NOT BOSTON, DC. Then, and only then will there be hope for real change. Some of those within the system of Just-Us, need a major ass kicking and I'd say it's long overdue.
The only way for it to end is when the FBI show up on their sand dune--NOT BOSTON, DC. Then, and only then will there be hope for real change. Some of those within the system of Just-Us, need a major ass kicking and I'd say it's long overdue.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Peter,
Richard makes a very useful point: Someone with Ike's moderate views would not be welcome in today's ultra-right GOP.
Back when I was a Republican, I wanted Colin Powell to run for president. The problem was that he would have had no chance of winning the Republican nomination because the party activists absolutely demand conservative purity in the primaries. Nobody with a moderate bone in their body need apply.
So we got Bush instead. Ouch!
Richard makes a very useful point: Someone with Ike's moderate views would not be welcome in today's ultra-right GOP.
Back when I was a Republican, I wanted Colin Powell to run for president. The problem was that he would have had no chance of winning the Republican nomination because the party activists absolutely demand conservative purity in the primaries. Nobody with a moderate bone in their body need apply.
So we got Bush instead. Ouch!
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
dk, Ike was a soldier first and a statesman second. I honestly don’t think Ike’s views would have remained consistent with the mind set of his era were he to be alive today.
Colin Powell has said he lacks the passion for politics. As far as electability, we may never know, although in hindsight I wouldn’t have ruled him out.
Personally, I believe we got Bush due to Clinton/Gore/Kerry, same as Obama/McCain, Carter/Nixon, Reagan/Carter.
I don't feel people were necessarily voting for someone as much as they were not voting for someone else.
Colin Powell has said he lacks the passion for politics. As far as electability, we may never know, although in hindsight I wouldn’t have ruled him out.
Personally, I believe we got Bush due to Clinton/Gore/Kerry, same as Obama/McCain, Carter/Nixon, Reagan/Carter.
I don't feel people were necessarily voting for someone as much as they were not voting for someone else.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Peter, I’m not sure you could provide a better example of conservative thinking gone awry. You say:
“I honestly don’t think Ike’s views would have remained consistent with the mind set of his era were he to be alive today”.
You’re right. Ike would have been even more moderate today. Consider Ike’s era: The absolute height of the Cold War. The Soviets had recently taken Eastern Europe and China had fallen to Mao. The term “Red Scare” literally defined the age. And what did Ike do? He preached calm and resisted unending calls for aggressive action. Talk about a moderate voice of reason in a sea of fear! At least when people shouted “Socialism” back then it was real.
Today’s GOP yells “Socialism” at the drop of a hat. Today’s Soviet Union is Health Care! What a joke.
No, Ike would howl in laughter at the GOP hysteria of today. He’d see the party as the bunch of nut jobs that they are. He’d be far, far to the left of today’s GOP.
“I honestly don’t think Ike’s views would have remained consistent with the mind set of his era were he to be alive today”.
You’re right. Ike would have been even more moderate today. Consider Ike’s era: The absolute height of the Cold War. The Soviets had recently taken Eastern Europe and China had fallen to Mao. The term “Red Scare” literally defined the age. And what did Ike do? He preached calm and resisted unending calls for aggressive action. Talk about a moderate voice of reason in a sea of fear! At least when people shouted “Socialism” back then it was real.
Today’s GOP yells “Socialism” at the drop of a hat. Today’s Soviet Union is Health Care! What a joke.
No, Ike would howl in laughter at the GOP hysteria of today. He’d see the party as the bunch of nut jobs that they are. He’d be far, far to the left of today’s GOP.
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Dk, have you read the entire speech by Eisenhower or just Richard's cherry picked fantasia version?
He seems to have conveniently omitted this line:
“A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.”
Sound anything like the "peace through superior firepower" Trident missile theory?
It might be helpful reading the whole speech before you go ahead and decide what he would be thinking.
Additionally:
“…in May 1960 Prime Minister Harold Macmillan arranged a deal with President Eisenhower
to equip the V-bombers with the US-designed AGM-48 Skybolt. The Skybolt was a range ballistic missile that allowed the launching bombers to remain well away from Soviet defenses and launch attacks that would be basically invulnerable. With this range, the V-bombers would have to fly only a few hundred miles from their bases before being in range of an attack on Moscow.”
Like I said before, Ike was a soldier first and a statesman second.
He seems to have conveniently omitted this line:
“A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.”
Sound anything like the "peace through superior firepower" Trident missile theory?
It might be helpful reading the whole speech before you go ahead and decide what he would be thinking.
Additionally:
“…in May 1960 Prime Minister Harold Macmillan arranged a deal with President Eisenhower
to equip the V-bombers with the US-designed AGM-48 Skybolt. The Skybolt was a range ballistic missile that allowed the launching bombers to remain well away from Soviet defenses and launch attacks that would be basically invulnerable. With this range, the V-bombers would have to fly only a few hundred miles from their bases before being in range of an attack on Moscow.”
Like I said before, Ike was a soldier first and a statesman second.
Ned [Member] writes:
Anybody mention that Ike got embarrassed at the end of his term by the Gary Powers U2 spyplane thing? Which saddled us all years later with that holier-than-thou Irish rock band...
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Peter,
I've read at least one full biography of Ike and, for a couple of years, I was especially interested in reading the history of the 50s.
There's no question that Ike supported peace through strength. At the same time, he was continually under extreme pressure by American reactionaries to undertake aggressive anti-Soviet action. And he continually refused.
Now, if you want to cherry pick examples of American military preparedness under Ike, you'll have a field day. You can do that forever. But you'll miss the big picture: Given the hysteria of the times, Ike was a moderate and calming influence.
By the way: Can you imagine any Republican today authorizing the domestic expenditure for a project like the highway system? Out of the question. The government can do no right!
Ike would have no place in today's GOP.
I've read at least one full biography of Ike and, for a couple of years, I was especially interested in reading the history of the 50s.
There's no question that Ike supported peace through strength. At the same time, he was continually under extreme pressure by American reactionaries to undertake aggressive anti-Soviet action. And he continually refused.
Now, if you want to cherry pick examples of American military preparedness under Ike, you'll have a field day. You can do that forever. But you'll miss the big picture: Given the hysteria of the times, Ike was a moderate and calming influence.
By the way: Can you imagine any Republican today authorizing the domestic expenditure for a project like the highway system? Out of the question. The government can do no right!
Ike would have no place in today's GOP.
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Well then dk, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the intent of The Eisenhower Doctrine.
r-five [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth wrote (in part)
Can you imagine any Republican today authorizing the domestic expenditure for a project like the highway system? Out of the question. The government can do no right!
R-5
The Interstate Highway System is not an unmixed blessing, and is, in fact, a very good example of the "Law of Unintended Consequences" in a number of respects.
By wrecking the railroads, it set back the cause of efficient long-distance mass transit for generations.
It also devastated innumerable communities across the country, and its colossal adverse environmental consequences would make it impossible to construct today.
dkfalmouth:
Ike would have no place in today's GOP
R-5
Perhaps. One thing is for sure, though:
The GOP has NO future if it bets its future on big-govt types like McCain, Powell, Huckabee and Romney.
Instead of looking to its "liberals" & "moderates" (Ike, Rockefeller, Nixon, and the Bushes), the GOP needs to hark back to people like Bob Taft, Barry Goldwater, &, with reservations, Ronald Reagan.
Otherwise, it's "Good-Bye, GOP"
R-5
Can you imagine any Republican today authorizing the domestic expenditure for a project like the highway system? Out of the question. The government can do no right!
R-5
The Interstate Highway System is not an unmixed blessing, and is, in fact, a very good example of the "Law of Unintended Consequences" in a number of respects.
By wrecking the railroads, it set back the cause of efficient long-distance mass transit for generations.
It also devastated innumerable communities across the country, and its colossal adverse environmental consequences would make it impossible to construct today.
dkfalmouth:
Ike would have no place in today's GOP
R-5
Perhaps. One thing is for sure, though:
The GOP has NO future if it bets its future on big-govt types like McCain, Powell, Huckabee and Romney.
Instead of looking to its "liberals" & "moderates" (Ike, Rockefeller, Nixon, and the Bushes), the GOP needs to hark back to people like Bob Taft, Barry Goldwater, &, with reservations, Ronald Reagan.
Otherwise, it's "Good-Bye, GOP"
R-5
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
dk, are you referring to the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act of 1956?
Eisenhower’s goal was as much for “national defense in the event of an invasion by a foreign power” as it was “to protect the vital interest of every citizen in a safe and adequate highway system.”
Like I said before, Ike was a soldier first and a statesman second.
Eisenhower’s goal was as much for “national defense in the event of an invasion by a foreign power” as it was “to protect the vital interest of every citizen in a safe and adequate highway system.”
Like I said before, Ike was a soldier first and a statesman second.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
r-5,
If it ever wants to be a majority party again, the GOP will have to broaden its appeal. There just aren't enough Americans who are conservative enough to sustain the party as currently constituted (as a majority party anyway).
I don't know much about Taft. A brief scan of his Wikipedia article seems to indicate, however, that he was anything but a conservative by today's definition. Wikipedia mentions a number of his moderate positions. He was also an isolationist: He wouldn't have supported the Iraq War in a million years.
Harking back to Goldwater means keeping the GOP too narrowly conservative and too hard line to return to the majority.
I think that today's conservative movement is a creation of Reagan and Reagan's descendants. The Republicans before Reagan, including "Mr. Republican" Robert Taft and of course Ike weren't nearly as narrow and hard line as today's conservatives.
The party needs to broaden its appeal by returning to the party of Taft and Ike.
If it ever wants to be a majority party again, the GOP will have to broaden its appeal. There just aren't enough Americans who are conservative enough to sustain the party as currently constituted (as a majority party anyway).
I don't know much about Taft. A brief scan of his Wikipedia article seems to indicate, however, that he was anything but a conservative by today's definition. Wikipedia mentions a number of his moderate positions. He was also an isolationist: He wouldn't have supported the Iraq War in a million years.
Harking back to Goldwater means keeping the GOP too narrowly conservative and too hard line to return to the majority.
I think that today's conservative movement is a creation of Reagan and Reagan's descendants. The Republicans before Reagan, including "Mr. Republican" Robert Taft and of course Ike weren't nearly as narrow and hard line as today's conservatives.
The party needs to broaden its appeal by returning to the party of Taft and Ike.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Yeah r-5, I knew about the national defense motivation for the highway system. I believe Ike was very influenced by a cross country trip that he took with a group of military vehicles before WWII. They ran into dirt roads, bridges that wouldn't support the vehicles, etc. It may have taken 3 months to cross the country (but my memory may fail me there).
So, you're right. Still - he and his party approved the massive federal spending needed to build the highways. That was my point: I can't see the GOP touching anything like with a 10 foot pole today. If it involves government and if there's a Democrat in the Oval Office: Automatic "No" to government expenditure, regardless of the benefit.
So, you're right. Still - he and his party approved the massive federal spending needed to build the highways. That was my point: I can't see the GOP touching anything like with a 10 foot pole today. If it involves government and if there's a Democrat in the Oval Office: Automatic "No" to government expenditure, regardless of the benefit.
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Oops that last one should have been to Peter.
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
"Ike was a moderate and calming influence."
Indeed he was.
Ike, like the rest of the world was tired of being at war but he was also well aware of the fact that, as history has taught us, peace is a fragile commodity and truces rarely last forever.
In my opinion, he based his philosophy more towards the practical than the ideological.
Like Teddy Roosevelt advised, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."
Indeed he was.
Ike, like the rest of the world was tired of being at war but he was also well aware of the fact that, as history has taught us, peace is a fragile commodity and truces rarely last forever.
In my opinion, he based his philosophy more towards the practical than the ideological.
Like Teddy Roosevelt advised, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."
r-five [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth:
I don't know much about Taft. A brief scan of his Wikipedia article seems to indicate, however, that he was anything but a conservative by today's definition.
R-5
Reread the piece. Bear in mind that the reasoning of the "neo-cons" is virtually indistinguishable from that of Wilson & Roosevelt.
The new Right needs to hark back to the pre-war GOP
dkfalmouth:
Wikipedia mentions a number of his moderate positions. He was also an isolationist
R-5
Before Ike, most Republicans (with the exception of Tom Dewey & a few other liberals) were more or less isolationist. We need to get back to that.
Bob Taft worked to rollback the excesses of The New Deal, was against subsidies, & opposed NATO, the UN & other internationalist initiatives [& certainly wouldn't have stood for globalization.]
Just as Taft was often successfull in his battle to rollback the New Deal, the Right Wing of tomorrow will need to roll back the Blueprint For Change, & "The Great Society"
Ike, on the other hand, was nothing but a caretaker--We do not need that kind of "conservatism"
R-5
I don't know much about Taft. A brief scan of his Wikipedia article seems to indicate, however, that he was anything but a conservative by today's definition.
R-5
Reread the piece. Bear in mind that the reasoning of the "neo-cons" is virtually indistinguishable from that of Wilson & Roosevelt.
The new Right needs to hark back to the pre-war GOP
dkfalmouth:
Wikipedia mentions a number of his moderate positions. He was also an isolationist
R-5
Before Ike, most Republicans (with the exception of Tom Dewey & a few other liberals) were more or less isolationist. We need to get back to that.
Bob Taft worked to rollback the excesses of The New Deal, was against subsidies, & opposed NATO, the UN & other internationalist initiatives [& certainly wouldn't have stood for globalization.]
Just as Taft was often successfull in his battle to rollback the New Deal, the Right Wing of tomorrow will need to roll back the Blueprint For Change, & "The Great Society"
Ike, on the other hand, was nothing but a caretaker--We do not need that kind of "conservatism"
R-5
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
Wait a minute R-5: Taft was a stout isolationist. You said so yourself. He was the last man standing on opposition to our entering WWII. And now you're telling me that his philosophy was similar to the neocons who ran happily off to Iraq? You'll have to explain that "similarity" a bit more.
Beyond that, we're probably more in agreement than it may appear and - from my perspective - this quote from Wikipedia on Taft is why:
"However, he did not always follow conservative ideology; for instance, after investigating the lack of adequate housing in the nation he supported public housing programs.[5] He also supported the Social Security program."
I have no problem with a conservative who generally opposes a Democratic president's policies as long as he/she doesn't oppose them automatically for political reasons. By supporting housing and SS, Taft demonstrated that he was a thinking man acting from principle not politics. When it made sense, he was able to support progressive policies.
Today's GOP has none of that spirit. No, if it's from Obama it's opposed regardless of substance.
Beyond that, we're probably more in agreement than it may appear and - from my perspective - this quote from Wikipedia on Taft is why:
"However, he did not always follow conservative ideology; for instance, after investigating the lack of adequate housing in the nation he supported public housing programs.[5] He also supported the Social Security program."
I have no problem with a conservative who generally opposes a Democratic president's policies as long as he/she doesn't oppose them automatically for political reasons. By supporting housing and SS, Taft demonstrated that he was a thinking man acting from principle not politics. When it made sense, he was able to support progressive policies.
Today's GOP has none of that spirit. No, if it's from Obama it's opposed regardless of substance.
r-five [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth wrote (in part)
Wait a minute R-5: Taft was a stout isolationist. You said so yourself. He was the last man standing on opposition to our entering WWII. And now you're telling me that his philosophy was similar to the neocons who ran happily off to Iraq? You'll have to explain that "similarity" a bit more.
R-5
You have it completely backwards.
Todays "neo-cons" are simply yesterday's interventionist Democrats--ala Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman and LBJ.
So far as foreign policy is concerned, the Bushes belong four-square in that same pantheon.
The neo-con outlook on foreign policy only appears "conservative" when compared to the Democrats' "Great Leap Leftward" beginning in the 70's.
The American Right needs to discard "neo-con" philosophy as being contrary to traditional American Right-Wing thought.
That's where Taft, and, to a lesser extent, Goldwater, come in.
R-5
Wait a minute R-5: Taft was a stout isolationist. You said so yourself. He was the last man standing on opposition to our entering WWII. And now you're telling me that his philosophy was similar to the neocons who ran happily off to Iraq? You'll have to explain that "similarity" a bit more.
R-5
You have it completely backwards.
Todays "neo-cons" are simply yesterday's interventionist Democrats--ala Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman and LBJ.
So far as foreign policy is concerned, the Bushes belong four-square in that same pantheon.
The neo-con outlook on foreign policy only appears "conservative" when compared to the Democrats' "Great Leap Leftward" beginning in the 70's.
The American Right needs to discard "neo-con" philosophy as being contrary to traditional American Right-Wing thought.
That's where Taft, and, to a lesser extent, Goldwater, come in.
R-5
dkfalmouth [Member] writes:
r-5,
Oops, I did get that Taft/Neocon thing backwards.
We finally agree on the need to jettison neocon philosophy from the Republican platform. I cannot believe that all of those guys aren't in complete disgrace today. A bunch of them get to write on the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal. Charles Krauthammer and Bill Crystal get to keep their jobs. I've never had a job that I would have kept if I'd done it as poorly as those guys did their Iraq War punditry.
Heck, as far as I know all leading Republicans support escalation in Afghanistan today. This isn't neocon, but it's reflexive GOP hard line defense policy, isn't it? Do you sign in blood that you will always take the hawkish side of defense issues when you become a Republican politician?
Well, I suppose I should chill some on criticizing Republicans. I'm so darned angry at them for automatic opposition to Obama. The Democrats have a bunch of flaws too.
Oops, I did get that Taft/Neocon thing backwards.
We finally agree on the need to jettison neocon philosophy from the Republican platform. I cannot believe that all of those guys aren't in complete disgrace today. A bunch of them get to write on the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal. Charles Krauthammer and Bill Crystal get to keep their jobs. I've never had a job that I would have kept if I'd done it as poorly as those guys did their Iraq War punditry.
Heck, as far as I know all leading Republicans support escalation in Afghanistan today. This isn't neocon, but it's reflexive GOP hard line defense policy, isn't it? Do you sign in blood that you will always take the hawkish side of defense issues when you become a Republican politician?
Well, I suppose I should chill some on criticizing Republicans. I'm so darned angry at them for automatic opposition to Obama. The Democrats have a bunch of flaws too.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Don't chill on them! They were silent as mice during the Republican's "Full Spectrum Dominance" of our country, which belongs to all of us, not just them.
They had no problem telling all of us to shut up and do what they say, politicians included.
Now they want respect for their dissent.
No no no.
You don't get automatic switcheroo...especially when, as you say, none of them has suffered one bit for their actions. Not a one. Abramofff doesn't count. He was straight-up gangta--well, wanna-be maybe.He's a wangsta.
But the Hammer never got nailed, the Bush never got clipped and the Cheney never got put back in his cage.
Not to mention all the Foxsters pretending that they are now watching the hen house.....
It's so backwards, I really think we may be seriously insane.
They had no problem telling all of us to shut up and do what they say, politicians included.
Now they want respect for their dissent.
No no no.
You don't get automatic switcheroo...especially when, as you say, none of them has suffered one bit for their actions. Not a one. Abramofff doesn't count. He was straight-up gangta--well, wanna-be maybe.He's a wangsta.
But the Hammer never got nailed, the Bush never got clipped and the Cheney never got put back in his cage.
Not to mention all the Foxsters pretending that they are now watching the hen house.....
It's so backwards, I really think we may be seriously insane.
r-five [Member] writes:
dkfalmouth wrote (in part)
as far as I know all leading Republicans support escalation in Afghanistan today.
R-5
Depends on how you define "leading". Buchanan doesn't. Paul doesn't. I'd support a Taliban govt if they'd agree to the 2001 terms.
dk:
This isn't neocon, but it's reflexive GOP hard line defense policy, isn't it? Do you sign in blood that you will always take the hawkish side of defense issues when you become a Republican politician?
R-5
Dunno...do you sign in blood that you will always take the side of treason when you become a Democratic politician?
dk:
Well, I suppose I should chill some on criticizing Republicans.
R-5
Naw...why give up your favorite hobby?
dk:
I'm so darned angry at them for automatic opposition to Obama.
R-5
Actually, that's one thing they have right--but often for the wrong reasons...
dk:
The Democrats have a bunch of flaws too.
R-5
Yup--they're an awful lot like some Republicans I know...
But, by & large, I try to avoid criticizing Dems nowadays...
Breath is a terrible thing to waste.
R-5
as far as I know all leading Republicans support escalation in Afghanistan today.
R-5
Depends on how you define "leading". Buchanan doesn't. Paul doesn't. I'd support a Taliban govt if they'd agree to the 2001 terms.
dk:
This isn't neocon, but it's reflexive GOP hard line defense policy, isn't it? Do you sign in blood that you will always take the hawkish side of defense issues when you become a Republican politician?
R-5
Dunno...do you sign in blood that you will always take the side of treason when you become a Democratic politician?
dk:
Well, I suppose I should chill some on criticizing Republicans.
R-5
Naw...why give up your favorite hobby?
dk:
I'm so darned angry at them for automatic opposition to Obama.
R-5
Actually, that's one thing they have right--but often for the wrong reasons...
dk:
The Democrats have a bunch of flaws too.
R-5
Yup--they're an awful lot like some Republicans I know...
But, by & large, I try to avoid criticizing Dems nowadays...
Breath is a terrible thing to waste.
R-5
bittersweet [Member] writes:
That's rich...Treason from the Democrats.....
Like I said, backwards and insane.
If I remember right...the whole of Clinton's time in office he was being investigated...the whole time. And the Pubs weren't paying for it personally, we all were. To satisfy some blood-lust for Clinton.
Then 9/11 happens, and it's like pulling teeth to get the people in charge to answer questions....
In fact, some had to be subpoenaed....and Bush and Cheney had to go in there together...holding hands.
IN fact, They did all they could to BLOCK any 9/11 investigation.
You would think they would want to get to the truth.
Backwards and Insane.
Like I said, backwards and insane.
If I remember right...the whole of Clinton's time in office he was being investigated...the whole time. And the Pubs weren't paying for it personally, we all were. To satisfy some blood-lust for Clinton.
Then 9/11 happens, and it's like pulling teeth to get the people in charge to answer questions....
In fact, some had to be subpoenaed....and Bush and Cheney had to go in there together...holding hands.
IN fact, They did all they could to BLOCK any 9/11 investigation.
You would think they would want to get to the truth.
Backwards and Insane.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Remember that song, "Pusherman" from Shaft? Well, G-D the MIC:
"The distinguished American historian Gary Wills suggests that Obama is an Oval Office prisoner of the 'National Security State' - ie, he's told by defence officials what he can and cannot do.
'The permanent emergency that has melded World War II with the Cold War and the "war on terror" - all these make a vast and intricate structure that may not yield to efforts at dismantling it.
'Sixty-eight years of war emergency powers (1941 - 2009) have made the abnormal normal, and constitutional diminishment the settled order.
Nonetheless, some of us entertain a fondness for the quaint old Constitution. It may be too late to return to its ideals, but the effort should be made.'
Yes, but would Obama survive such an effort? Even complying with his military masters, he is now said to receive four times as many death threats as George W. Bush.
****
History Channel has a great great documentary: "JFK. Three shots that changed America."
Very relevant to today.
"The distinguished American historian Gary Wills suggests that Obama is an Oval Office prisoner of the 'National Security State' - ie, he's told by defence officials what he can and cannot do.
'The permanent emergency that has melded World War II with the Cold War and the "war on terror" - all these make a vast and intricate structure that may not yield to efforts at dismantling it.
'Sixty-eight years of war emergency powers (1941 - 2009) have made the abnormal normal, and constitutional diminishment the settled order.
Nonetheless, some of us entertain a fondness for the quaint old Constitution. It may be too late to return to its ideals, but the effort should be made.'
Yes, but would Obama survive such an effort? Even complying with his military masters, he is now said to receive four times as many death threats as George W. Bush.
****
History Channel has a great great documentary: "JFK. Three shots that changed America."
Very relevant to today.
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