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KUMBAYA!
KUMBAYA!
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
- President Dwight David Eisenhower, Farewell Address, Jan. 1961
Someone,s laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someone,s laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someone,s laughing, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
- "Kumbaya," American folk spiritual, ca. 1930s
In the last prior post I recited several pearls of wisdom about the proper use of power in world politics taken from the several public speeches by President Dwight D. Eisenhower. I "plagiarized" them actually, because I quoted them without attribution. I omitted attribution purposely, however, not to claim the ideas as original to me which I did not do, but simply to make a larger point about how far to the extreme right today's GOP has strayed from the constitutional ideals Ike bravely defended in W.W. II, and then courageously upheld while serving in the White House.
As expected, certain people who chime in on this site from the far, far wingnut extreme of the political spectrum, took the bait hook, line and sinker. Thus we heard from one of them:
If you want to live in a warm and fuzzy Kumbayah type of world then we have common ground. If you are naïve enough to believe we can "compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose" then we are "open to debate."
Well, like I said, that statement about composing difference not with arms but with intellect and decent purpose was Ike's, not mine. So what we are seeing with the post-Reagan, right wing GOP is a rejection of Eisenhower's "naïve" beliefs about the use of American power and influence.
Moreover, all of the Eisenhower quotes I recited in the prior post are clearly much closer to the principles on which President Obama has based his foreign policy than the fear mongering shibboleths that defined the Bush administration. For example:
The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without;
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed;
In most communities it is illegal to cry "fire" in a crowded assembly. Should it not be considered serious international misconduct to manufacture a general war scare in an effort to achieve local political aims;
This world of ours... must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect;
Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace;
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security;
When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it; and, yes,
Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose.
The fact is that those are the same principles which underlay Obama's Cairo Speech, e.g. America is not at war with Islam, and America is not engaged in Afghanistan to impose any kind of regime change but simply to neutralize al Qaeda and it's enablers as a real, hostile threat to our own security.
These are principles which most of the free world outside the airless, toxic confines of the American right wing "think tanks" both appreciate for their own conduct of affairs, viz. the European Union, and welcomed hearing from an American president so much that they awarded him the Nobel Peace Prize just for advocating them.
No. Obama hasn't done all that much in his brief ten months as Commander in Chief to reverse the eight year debacle of Bush's tenure as the "Decider," but the Nobel is a clear message that the rest of the free world anxiously expects, and demands that Obama follow up on his principled words with equally principled actions.
Ike surely would tell those still carping from the extreme right that such principled actions are far less "naïve" than their simple-minded belief that American troops could invade a politically, ethnically and religiously fractured nation like Iraq and create a "democracy" that would welcome the invasion force with open arms and then roll over for the American petroleum industry like a puppy dog. That wasn't merely naïve, it was stupid as events have proven.
Saddam, was a brutal dictator who stifled all political dissent. But he posed no real threat to American security, was both socially and religiously tolerant and stood as a viable obstacle to the expansion of Iranian influence in the mid-East. Thanks to Bush's "pre-emptive non-agression," however, Saddam's been replaced by a religiously and socially intolerant theocracy which, in principle, conforms more closely to Iran's religious, political and regional agenda than with American interests. Those Bush clowns didn't even get the sweetheart oil deal for Exxon-Mobil that was the real purpose of invading Iraq in the first place.
But, hey, what did a guy like Eisenhower know about world affairs, spouting off all those "naïve" ideas about resolving differences, "not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose." He only led the Allied troops to victory over the forces of world fascism during W.W. II, while Ronnie Reagan was slogging in the trenches, along with that other right-wing "hero" John Wayne, on the back lots of Warner Bros. in Hollywood.
How can Ike's "naive" belief in the limited efficacy of war in international relations even begin to compare with Bush's wisdom in the ways of war, based on defending the friendly skies over Texas as an ANG pilot while thousands of other young men were being killed in the jungles of Viet Nam. How can Ike's "naïve" beliefs about war and peace stand up against the hard-nosed sagacity of Richard Cheney who, while eligible to fight in the war of his generation -a war he fully "supported," just didn't support it enough to actually fight in it because he had "other priorities" like making a fortune in the petroleum services biz.
Like I've been saying all along, today's right wing GOP is both intellectually and morally bankrupt, and it's a far cry from Eisenhower's Republican Party. Ike, like General Powell today, wouldn't have a place in today's GOP as defined by the likes of Cheney, Limbaugh and Palin and, unlike Powell, he really wouldn't want to either. This point is amply supported, too, by the wingnut response to the last post I quoted, taking issue with Eisenhower's statements as being "naïve," and in keeping with the warm and fuzzy "Kumbayah type of world."
That's what I mean by the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of today's "conservative" Republican Party. It seems that today's GOP elephant doesn't even have a long memory and is clueless as to the principles that guided the last honest, conservative Republican president, and the last truly great man to occupy the White House as well, the one who said:
I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it.
Today's GOP is driven by the economic elite in the arms industry and petroleum industry, i.e. the "military industrial complex" that Ike warned about in his 1961 farewell address, a confluence of wealth and militarism that promotes war in order to enrich itself, in an unholy alliance with the religious right which makes up the GOP's political clout.
The religious right is even scarier than the military industrialists, however. A significant number of them vote Republican because they want war in the mid-East, in "Babylon," to bring about the biblical prophesy of Armageddon after which the Israelites will be killed and all those good SBC "Christians" will be raptured into Heaven.
It is here, if anywhere, that Ike was naively optimistic, not about external threats like Russia or Iran, but about the looming internal threat to both our precious democratic, constitutional freedom and world peace, as when he said that the people want peace, and "there is no glory in battle worth the blood it costs." Here, the GOP today panders to the religious right, and so many of them do not want peace, but instead seek glory through battle, not by expropriating other peoples' oil reserves in this world like the industrialists, but by killing them in order to secure a place in their lily white skinned, anthropocentric "Heaven" and, to them, that's worth all the blood it takes.
The really funny thing, though, is that I posted the very same Eisenhower quotes back in March under the title "Pearls of Wisdom." As with this last post, I quoted them without attribution, on purpose, and I got the same kind of response, with one wingnut who called himself Snakedog vehemently attacking me as a "liberal" based on my belief in Ike's principles. As with the present post, I called him out as arguing with Ike, not me, and he hasn't posted anything here since then.
Well, like the song says, "Someone's laughing, Lord," and that someone is me about the response I expected and got to the last post about casting pearls before swine. But I'm sure Ike would be crying if he saw what's happened to American society today thanks to the Republican Party's pandering to the religious right, and he certainly wouldn't vote Republican.
Kumbaya!
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And I think the "era of Reagan" is FINALLY over.
How else could it been given the results of that type of thinking??
That 30 year cabal was so damaging!!!
And it's a shame for the good people who didn't go along with it, but got tarred just the same.
Wash our hands of them! No matter the idiot radio-television-heads.
This IS a new regime now.
We CAN'T let it be "meet the old boss, same as the new boss".
My clear relocation of the Eisenhower Administration (two terms) is of a man treating the Presidency as if it were for recuperation from a heart attack and to publicize golfing. It rather nice to now see history speaking kindly of Ike. After experiencing all the men that have been President since Ike, I too now understand, that Ike truly was a very great man as President. And, I note with interest, that after a long illness, Ike died at Walter Reed Army Hospital in 1969. What a fitting end for a veteran. I now enjoy saying: I like Ike.
Hmmm, I feel "the real purpose for invading Iraq in the first place" was for a personal reason on the Presidents part and oil on the Vice Presidents part. Note the verse in the song Kumbaya: Someone's crying Lord. Ya, is one of those crying Ike!
Obviously you are fascinated with the GOP its political pro war wranglings and changes over the years.
They have completely lost their base.
I,as you know,completely diregard any pundit pushing the GOP/DNC be they commentators, jounalists, or likely existing candidates seeking to capitalize on the current resentment of all intrusive government that STILL does the bidding of the military complex,insurance,wallstreet,pharma, or any other multinational corporation and lobby groups.
Obama was a reaction to business as usual,and it is STILL.. business as usual.
I submit,that when elections come in 2010, both the GOP and DNC are in for some shocking stats.
Unless some rising star of the likes of JFK, or Ike come to the forefront,it remains business as usual.
Funny how the anti-war crowd is silent on NEW contracts with Halliburton, KBR, et al,and silent on the increasing casulaties,spending,and malaise in Afghanistan.
Our economy is based on oil, war,and nation rebuilding..and those who run the show, still run the show.be it Obama, or any other candidate.
possee
As you aptly stated by Ike,the military industrial complex,along with international banking conglomerates, have perpetuated war as it is good for business..period.
As the left attacks the right,and vice versa,the proponents and financiers of both sides, profit enormously from all war scenarios.
Funny how George Soros,darling of extreme leftist agendas, bought millions of shares in Halliburton.
SEC documents reveal that George Soros bought 1.9 million shares of Halliburton stock in the fourth quarter of 2006.
Soros gave more than $20 million to "527" organizations in the 2004 election,many of which used anti-Halliburton bashing as a rallying cry for the anti-war Left.
He also owned over 70,000 shares of KBR til he sold out in 2009.
Soros donated 200,000 to Obama's Inauguration.
According to Federal Election Commission data collected in mid-October by the Center for Responsive Politics,the defense sector has donated 34 percent more to Sen. Barack Obama than to his Republican opponent for president, Sen. John McCain.
Ike was right
Change?..no!
possee
It's funny that you mention your recollection of Ike as being a do-nothing president. I recall an old friend who was about a decade older than I having the very same impression of Ike. I was too young to remember him from experience (born in '56) but that was my impression of him for awhile.
Then I read a biography of Ike (I believe by Stephen Ambrose) and came away with the idea that Ike's greatest accomplishment may have been not doing much. Let me explain: The author felt that Ike was under incredible Cold War pressure to take aggressive action against the Soviets. While there was definitely a military build up under Ike, it could have been much worse had someone with less credibility in national defense been president. Of course, Ike referred to that pressure in his final presidential speech when he described the dangers of the "military/industrial complex".
That was one author's opinion anyway.
Who happened to be the Vice President of the United States of America, using his power and position to Help Himself and his friends to whatever he wanted.
He is despicable.
Worse than all of them BECAUSE he was Vice President.
Soros is a greed-mongering amoral creep. But we didn't elect him to SERVE US.
Cheney completely spit on us all.
Stevenson was very popular with the intellectuals and what some today call the "northeastern elites" wasn't he? Was Ike more popular with everyday folk? Did the elites look down their noses at Ike the common man kind of like the Dems looked down their noses at Bush II?
I didn't know that Stevenson died so young. Fortunately, he lived lone enough to do good work at the U.N. during the Cuban Missile crisis in '63. He must have been pretty young when he opposed Ike in '52.
No, I don't recall that "elites looked down their noses at Ike". I think Ike commanded a deep seated respect among his political opponents and the general public for all he accomplished for "the world" as a General during WWII. And, in those days, it was not the role of the media to harp and criticize in the manner its done today. Truth seemed to be more important. Anti-Bush sentiment, at least for me, was routed in a profound belief that Bush was an abysmal choice, totally unqualified, plus my opinion that he had lost not won the election. I believe Ike was accepted and respected but Bush never was.
Barry Goldwater
Conscience of a Conservative
You take this shit way too seriously.
Yup, that's the attitude of today's GOP that I fight all of the time. That is, the "Everything the government does is evil so we oppose virtually any government activity" attitude.
Actually, let me amend that a bit to say:
"...we oppose virtually any government activity undertaken by a Democratic president or a Democratic Congress".
Government action initiated by the GOP is OK. Example: I don't recall any GOP screams of "socialism" and "over my dead body" when Bush added an expensive drug program to Medicare.
It's the total and absolute opposition to any action by a Democratic president that bothers me in today's GOP. Total opposition without exception.
So Ned , are you the new self appointed source of blog wisdom and decorum? Are you going to tell on me like you did with mav? Getting banned would be paramount to disaster for some I’m sure but to those with a real life, the threat rings hollow, so if you’re feeling froggy, go ahead and leap.
Making a commenter the subject of your blog, is in my opinion, the”hallmark numero Uno” of distressingly pathetic obsessive behavior. Especially considering that the tripe that is commonly written in this cesspool of misinformation.
You’re obsession with this castle in the sky blogging hierarchy is a little out of the norm to say the least. Do me a favor, blow it out your ass and worry about your cartoons and the rest of your fantasy world.
We can all learn from "Ike's" words... here's another:
"An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows."
"Richard, you need to get off the juice and find a hobby.
You take this shit way too seriously."
"Do me a favor, blow it out your ass and worry about your cartoons and the rest of your fantasy world."
"So Ned , are you the new self appointed source of blog wisdom and decorum?"
If this is'nt "trolling"
I don't know what is.
Your choice of words
tell alot about you.
I think most everyone but you knows that we can disagree in this blog without making it personal. And - If you dislike Richard's stuff so much - stop reading it!
In my now 57 years,as of today, absorbing critical viewpoints from all perspectives, I ask you the following...
Given the evidence that we all are expressing our political views from all sides of personal agendas.
1. where are heading as a nation?
2.Do you believe that we have all been sold a bill of goods by media, govt, from left and right, and the real agenda ahead is already in place?
Thank you.
possee
Richard: I agree with a lot you write, but I always cringe a bit when you place the blame squarely on the GOP. Though it certainly takes the lion's share in a lot of things it can't be forgotten that when there's money to be made in various states by the manufacturing of weapons for the military the Dems are right there gobbling pork at the through. Same thing with both these wars, there was no shortage of dems not wishing to appear unpatriotic when supporting the Bush administration in it's fiasco of a foreign policy. Probably the worst decision ever made in foreign policy was to invade Iraq. And now, as Powell said, "You break it you fix it." What a mess, I just heard 8 more soldiers died in Afghanistan today on top of 14 yesterday. Seems like all the made in China "Support Our Troops" car magnets have faded and fallen off the many vehicles I saw them on back in 2003. America is becoming a sadder and sadder place.
Happy Birthday too you!
Are you still at the Hills of Pine? I need to stop by and say hi.
First off, forums are fantasy land entertainment set up behind the safety of the monitor. Secondly calling someone a troll would be a great “one upper” on the slappy hi-fiving trolls but unfortunately you have mistaken me for someone who actually gives a rat’s ass.
No temper, no anger dk, I enjoy the banter but sometimes you just have to set people straight. If Richard and Ned want to tag team me because Richard can’t handle it on his own then I’ll play. Ned has suggested I leave the country if I don’t like it, made a rambling multi-post rant inferring I have an affinity for gay porn among other things and now he jumps on me because I used an “e”, instead of an “i”. And I quote, "WTF"
Richard on the other hand specifically quoted me in his blog and then threw out the taunt as he always does. For the record, Richard repeatedly post inaccurately and when called on it he has never to this day responded with anything of substance.
Do a little reading, I don't strike first but I will always answer.
Agent PW has another “Germ of an Idea”.
We could test out windmill’s “rule of thumb” when I bring my “swollen salmon-pink head” back to the Cape for Thanksgiving and I promise not to be barefoot.
What say you? We can even invite the counselor, kinda' like a beer summit.
Funny thing is,"...you may run into the folks you've heaped abuse upon and decide you actually like them."
I was hoping that PeeWee could take a hint like Snakedog did, knowing when he was thoroughly exposed as nothing more than a reactionary partisan obstructionist and just quietly bow out. But then, I guess, Snakedog actually had half a brain -at least.
I do in fact take "all this shit" seriously, i.e. the nature of our precious constitutional democratic republic, and the serious threats posed by the reactionary right to its endurance, as well as the lesser threats posed by the extreme left. That's why I bother posting these comments.
PeeWee, though, thinks it's all just a joke, or even worse just some kind of schoolyard bullying game, which says a lot about where the post-Reagan right-wing GOP's head is at. To hell with the national interest, truth, justice and the American way. They just want to win for the sake of winning and, oh yes, all those corporate profits that are riding on defeating health care reform.
Well Ike, things aren't much better on the left.... most schools don't allow their students to say the Pledge of Allegiance in class anymore... apparently it may offend somebody. Speaking of school, did you know the left pandering to teachers unions have resulted in spending more on education than ever before and kids are nowhere as smart as they use to be? Don't mention God anymore Ike, just today an employee of Home Depot was fired for wearing a pin stating "One nation under God, indivisible", that's right Ike, the left has no use for God in society anymore.... we do however allow our Muslim brothers opportunity to pray whenever.... don't want to trample their rights. You'll also be happy to know men can marry men. Did I mention the current President is traveling the world apologizing for our past aggressions? He's doing so while spending more money than any other President ever.
Thank you.
Am I 1 year wiser? than last year..
Probably not, but can definitely see through alot of the crap stated here.
Then again, it makes for interesting diatribe and a sense what we're up against here in Moscow East..land of Kerry ,Frank, Delahunt, Deval, and the OB One religion.
It's been almost 11 months, and the only defense in argument, is Bush/Cheney and the GOP..they are gone..and good riddance to them.but to forever harp on the idealogues of one party, and not have the basic intelligence to question the new gang in charge, is blind faith..oh I forget, it's all okay now.. the DNC is above reproach and not like the GOP..
laughable at best..
At least some common sense is around by those who question all government..but not here..
possee
Your statement,
“I think most everyone but you knows that we can disagree in this blog without making it personal.”
And Richard in his Kumbayah pretext dropped these pearls,
“ As expected, certain people who chime in on this site from the far, far wingnut extreme of the political spectrum, took the bait hook, line and sinker.
"PeeWee?"
“nothing more than a reactionary partisan obstructionist”
“half a brain -at least”
And the obligitory Ronald Reagan related dig, “where the post-Reagan right-wing GOP's head is at.”
Well dk, you waded into this cesspool by your own volition, let’s hear it.
By the way, did you ever hear back from that lawyer friend of yours?
Back on topic, Eisenhower was a hawk in search of peace not a dove by any means.
I'd ask Richard if Ike also said,“A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.” but that would run counter to his spin.
When we questioned the last gvt., you told us to go to hell. You were no questioner of Bush. You supported the war on Iraq. You vilified Sheehan, along with the rest of the right.
You only now admit that Bush was wrong, and yet want to act like you always did.
You want to gloss over the past hellacious eight years as if it never happened.
And yet every nook and cranny of Obama you pick through with a fine-toothed comb.
You never questioned Bush when it was all going down, so don't come around and act like you are fair and balanced, You are not. Nor is Fox.
"How can President Obama be Nixon,Carter, Mao, Stalin and Hitler at the same time? How can he have a Christian former pastor and also be a Muslim? How can liberals be both communists and Nazis? How can there possibly be Republicans who are attacking the Democrats for fiscal irresponsibility even though the Democrats have suction-cupped themselves to the door of the CBO?
Suddenly the Republicans care about executive power abuses and the "trampling" of the Constitution, eh?"
And last I checked, you don't need public recognition to pray to your god. Or do you?
BTW, when is O'Reilly taking up the cause of Halloween? It's been banned in many school districts.
Where's the defender of America on this?
"Fox News Channel continues to refuse to admit that they're an extension of the Republican Party. They refuse to admit that the network's news programming has an obvious right-wing slant. Everyone knows it. So why don't they just admit it?"
all quotes are from Bob Cesca.
Btow, Oswald said they pinned the Kennedy murder on him because he lived in Russia..fast forward to today, the defenders of Obama are Moscow East.
Some things never change. That's why we never have change.
*Treason in High Places--James Petras
Ever since the Bush regime came to power there has been a fierce political and organizational war between the Pentagon Zionists and their militarist collaborators, on the one hand, and the professional military and intelligence apparatus, on the other. The Pentagon Zionists increased Israel’s power in the Middle East and promoted its expansionist colonization of Palestine, at the expense of US soldiers, budget busting expenditures and CIA objections.*
That's what Obama is fighting, along with the Fed control of our money...which also was green-lighted for years...Yes, Clinton and the Dems included. But ANY attempt to TRY and do something is met with this onslaught of psy-ops coming from Fox. How bad do you want to let our country fall before you repubs rush in as the "saviors"? As is the plan orchestrated by that Prince of Puke Karl Rove.
Lilly Leadbetter, Shinseki as head of Veterans, streamlining old systems,change in tax policy,talking peace instead of war-
And admitting our wrongs-Excellent Start!
Speaking of the Health Care Bill, can you hear it, “Flush” That’s the sound of the Health Care Bill and where it’s going along with the NoBama Presidency. The Health Care Bill is DOA!! I’m sure the Democrats, aka, Socialists, will blame Bush for this.
YOU gave Obama the green light for anything he wants to do-- carte blanche-- when you were silent on the Bush/Cheney machinations.
Remember??? " Do anything...anything to keep us safe"--well, you wanted an imperial presidency, you got it. As much as Obama has reached out and tried to be civil....it doesn't work.
I'll stop blaming Bush when he goes away!
You still have Cheney's minions in the gvt., you have Cheney showing up all over the place telling Obama how to do his job, and you have Fox news and Talk-radio ready to spread the right-wing word.
Here's a novel idea....back off for a while. Let's see what Obama's plan will bring. THEN you can go after him.
Because you think all this obstructionist, refusing to leave even thought you were OUSTED....
Is doing yourselves any favors? It's not.
Btw, Marcy Kaptur says the policies of the past 30 years have been socialism for big business...what do you think about that?
Bush was lambasted for eight years, non stop,by the media and now the left is in power, it's time to repeat the favor, and continue the onslaught..oh, that's right, only the left can play hardball.
Game change..
Fair enough?
Bush lost the superbowl..Obama won.
Now it's his turn.
Politics is a low down dirty game..let the games begin!
possee
you think all this obstructionist, refusing to leave even thought you were OUSTED....
Is doing yourselves any favors? It's not.
R-5
Why on earth would conservatives or other rightists expect (or even want)"favors" from this Administration?
It's clear from "The Blueprint For Change" and The Democratic Platform that we have nothing to hope for from Obama's programme.
Get used to the fact that the spirit of Resistance among the People is only going to grow.
R-5
YOU give Obama the green light for anything he wants to do-- carte blanche-- when you were silent on the Clinton Gore machinations.
Remember??? " Do anything...anything to keep us safe"--well, you wanted an imperial presidency, you got it. As much as Bush had reached out and tried to be civil....it didn't work.
I'll stop blaming Clinton/Gore when they go away!
You still have Clinton's minions in the gvt., you have Clinton/Gore showing up all over the place telling Bush how to do his job, and you had CNN,ABC,CBS, NBC news and Air America radio ready to spread the left-wing word.
Here's a novel idea....back off for a while. Let's see what Bush's plan will bring. THEN you can go after him.
Because you think all this obstructionist, refusing to leave even thought you were OUSTED....
Is doing yourselves any favors? It's not.
Btw, Marcy Kaptur says the policies of the past 30 years have been socialism for big business...what do you think about that?
Does this scenario work?
possee
waa waa waa
Funny, I listened to talk radio during Bush, and all I heard was what a great guy he was and what a great job he was doing.
Every single news media was behind him in the lead up to "war".
Every single American was with him after 9/11.
You show me an orchestrated campaign to destroy him since before he took office and I'll listen to your complaints.
(Which btw, used to be called "whining")
His criticism came from what he did.
And something else that is curious: All of talk radio used to malign protesters. Demonize them. Call them America-Haters, When did the conversion to patritoc hero's take place?
"One minute, they're expected to defend George W. Bush by suggesting that it undermines the troops to attack the commander in chief during a war, and then they're banking around on a dime to suddenly attack the new commander in chief during a war."-Cesca
Care to explain that one?
I'll do it for you: PSY-OPS!!!
Or, as they say in AA:
Stinkin' Thinkin'. We're so drenched in it, no amount of perfume will help.
R-5
Anyone?
If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn`t buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he
demands legislated respect.
If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
I see that Sensei has taught the Grasshopper well, “taunt and run away little man.” I’d bet you were the kind of kids that would tease the neighbor’s dog, knowing you were safe on the other side of the fence. Ironically, two of the members that I’ve disagreed with that actually had the balls to back up what they said, are women.
For that cru and bitter, I commend you.
You say I’m the only one who makes it personal? Look around. I’ve never claimed anyone’s opinion was wrong, just that their statements were factually incorrect, disagree with some here and you are immediately chastised. If calling me an angry troll is a triumph in your little clique then congratulations on your success.
dk. “There will definitely be a clause in the Constitution that gives the Executive and Legislative branches the power to govern health care.”
Love to see that.
Like I said, I don't strike first but I will always answer.
R-5
R-5
Guess when the restrictions went in?
2000.
What a coinkidink, eh? NOT.
Read the Democracy Now transcript of today.
Yes yes yes. Change!
For The People,
They are voting next couple of weeks.....vote YES!
Free speech returns!!!
Low Power to the People!
Over and Out.
I'm still trying to figure out what "favors" the Obama administration could possibly offer conservatives and other rightists...
Bittersweet:
Oh yeah...what about Socialism for Big Business?
R-5
Does “socialism for big business” have something to do with the fact that the Obama campaign got more donations from Wall Street than did McCain?
In any case, “Socialism for Big Business” doesn’t do me any favors.
In fact, socialism doesn’t do Big Business any favors either—as Big Business is learning to its chagrin.
Indeed, a review of the overall history of socialism shows that it doesn’t do very well in terms of doing favors for anyone.
And, if your company accepted socialist favors from the State, the State hasn't done you any favors--because it is now indisputable that your terms of employment are not worth the paper they’re written on.
R-5
OK, I'll drop the childish pissing contest if you will.
Back in February it seemed that Obama opponents waited about 2 weeks and then began blaming him for all the country’s problems. I exaggerate some, but you know what I mean. Of course, a president’s political opponents always have honest disagreements with him. I’m not saying that someone right of center should give Obama hugs and kisses. But to oppose him always and immediately? Automatically?
Initially, I favored Bush’s partial privatization of Social Security. I opposed him immediately on Iraq. I was lukewarm on his Medicare Drug program because he wouldn’t allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. I supported his tax cuts at first then changed my mind later. I’ll admit that, by the end, I’d seen enough: I opposed Bush across the board. But I gave him a chance!
Am I correct that you are unable or unwilling to give Obama credit when he does something right or do I exaggerate?
It was back before Mary changed her profile on “My Day” and I asked why, if she was championing GLBT rights, women’s rights, rape victim’s rights, minority rights etc., she wasn’t, recognizing the “breeders harassment” in Provincetown, a.k.a heterophobia. The two of you had a grand little back and forth discussing gay porn in the barracks, what my preferences were and how much I had accrued.
Then you went on to compare your experiences protesting the Vietnam War and being told to leave the country and how I could do the same.
Seeing how I cannot find the thread, (bloggers can un-publish as you well know) and I got this message from the WayBack Machine: We're sorry, access to http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.php/myday has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt., only Mary or Walter would be able to provide access.
In keeping with my standard of posting only verifiable statements, until I do find it, I hereby issue a full retraction and apology.
Once it’s out there though, it’s out there forever; you just need to find it.
I'm trying to respond in under 1100 characters.
OK, I'll drop… /Consider it done.
Back in February …./Do you remember GWB getting blamed for the recession six months into office? It’s politics as usual, nothing more, nothing less.
I exaggerate some…/Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt but after years of mindless dribble like “Bush lied, people died” and “War for oil, war for oil!” don’t expect “Change we can believe in” to put “Hope” into everyone’s heart. Personally, I‘m looking at his campaign promises versus his performance in office.
As far as the partisanship goes, revenge is a dish best served cold.
Initially, I favored…../If you think I have never criticized George W. Bush you are mistaken. It was obvious his exit strategy from Iraq was to pull a page from the Kumbayah playbook. Do I think he was as evil as he is portrayed? No. I think as unqualified as some may say he was, he did what he felt was right in his heart. The topic is now Obama , not Bush, Reagan or even Ike.
Am I correct that you are unable or unwilling …/Credit given where credit is due.
I was talking about your ramblings on c c today, not the State of the Nation when I said “You take this shit way too seriously”. Centering your blog on someone you disagree with is pretty creepy in that “Fatal Attraction” kinda’ way. Is this going to come to the point where I need to go all restraining order on your ass?
You claim to post your comments due to the serious threats posed by the reactionary right and as the lesser threats posed by the extreme left? And what do you predict the outcome of your efforts will be in relationship to our precious constitutional democratic republic? I suppose we could always ask Walter how many world leaders are members here.
Like they say, Neurotics build castles in the sky, Psychotics live in them, I’m convinced you write your blog in one.
Thanks for the support guys... it's good mental hygiene to actually take some time with your Comments and keep 'em sensible and civil."
Ned...as in your constant WTF? Any truth to the rumor that you and margebunny21 are a thing? Does she have dimples?
Since when do gay porn and mental hygiene belong in the same discussion? Only in Ned's world.
PS...Richard, I am one of the few on this site who ever spent time in Ike's presence. He used to visit private trout ponds in RI and loved fly fishing.
possee, landed a 900# giant bluefin tuna yesterday. Lucky, we fought it in 6-8' seas for 3 hours.
I like mine pan-seared sesame-crusted, congratulations on a great catch... good job skipper.
900lbs... Ned want's its phone number:)
Done with him? Done with Bush? ah ha ha.
Afterall---it's 40 yrs., and we still hear about Chapaquiddick.And One person died there.Multiply that by 3000. Done? Not on your life.
As for buzz'z constant belittling of anyone other than bombastic right-wing idiots, listen to this:
http://australianetworknews.com/stories/200910/2723641.htm?desktop
"I guess Fulford was right (Benjamin). Japan is undergoing negotiations with China, Thailand and others toward a new Eastern alliance. They want U.S. bases out of the Japanese Islands. Russia has just changed their nuclear strike policy to first strike in self defense because there is no other way they believe they can defend themselves.
Japan does not want to be nuked again. That is pretty simple. The are making comments along the lines of the U.S. seems incapable of bringing their economy under control. That translates into selling cars and TVs to people who can pay with real money.
Asia is moving out of the orbit as well as South America other than Colombia and Honduras."
1 for Ben
"This is the end of the dollar, Toyotas, rice and in the end most likely PNAC. The end of the New American Century is going to end faster than they thought in depression, chaos and starvation.
55 U. S. soldiers killed this month in Afhanistan and the green zone government blown to bits in Baghdad. OB now saying he is not going to rush into beefing up the troops. What does that tell you?
I read several years ago a Japanese politician say japan has no nukes aimed at anyone but they could assemble several hundred overnight. It is a very techo country. I don't doubt for a moment if they were ever in the correct situation they would not enjoy launching on America. They have very long memories in the east."
That's the hell the neo-con hero's have wrought on us all.
Happy now?
And while your at it please give us the details of Vince Foster and Lewinsky.
Ike would look at America and state concerning Obama "you elected this racist with no voting record, no military record, no record with foreign diplomacy, no record at all."
You deserve what you voted for. Nothing.
Dat's my health Care but I want to share it with the brothers and sisters.
PS...cru, still love you. SMOOCH!
What are you, a ghost?
Very sad what that rotten cabal did to us. Even sadder that you can't see it.
But keep blaming everybody else....
It's the same old MO that your kind always pulls.
This is 2009, not 1959.
And why fall back on all the old Russshhhhh fodder?
He has much newer sewage now.
Or has Beckles taken over the cockles of your heart?
bitta...please pay attention. My comments haven't shown up ever since I trashed the siting of the wind factory.
Why still here? I enjoy wading in the sewage that this swamp has to offer.
Where else can you find vermin like Ned? You put your waders on, walk around with a harpoon and stick any socialist that moves. This site that WB built chums in hippies, yuppies, commies and more than a few a$$holes.
If it wasn't for the clear thought of possee, buzz, peter walker, r-five and others I wouldn't be here.
It tells me this country is in more dire need of a Commander in Chief than it ever has.
WWDDE DO?
I'll tell you what he'd do, Ike would bomb them back into the stone age, just like he did in Europe.
Build an economy on prosperity for all....
We all want that. No one wants this bloody carnage any longer.
Dinosaurs left a long time ago. *Poof!* Be Gone with their mind-set!
And, if you didn't hear, this "Drone War" could very well be a war crime.
Do we really need any more?
As in income redistribution the Acorn way?
bitta...dat's my money. Please take yah hand out o' my pocket.
You better believe God has been taken out of our country! Just look at what we are doing/have done.
Why do we choose to live the way we do?
Pollute the earth? Kill each other? Who's damn idea IS THIS?
It's not mine. Nor anyone else's if it was their children or grandchildren in harms way, living next to pollution, breathing it in, drinking it, having bombs blowing up all around them.
The stranglehold of the Dinosaur mentality has got to end, and Obama is going to do it. Cause we will make him.
"The world's spiritual traditions and the aching in the heart of each person are dominant now, and the petty greed of power mongers is experiencing its last gasp; they can't even afford war any more. What is in the heart of each person determines the outcome! It has to be that way because we have free will as our birthright."--Clow
We are human beings, not monsters.
R-5
possee, buzz, peter walker, r-five are proof that God exists. bitter is proof that God has been taken out of our country and replaced by Acorn and Obama.
bitter, exactly who would you be addressing?
According to who? Humans and other beings fend for themselves. Monsters dwell and live off of everyone else. What be you?
How about an honest poll of those c c today members who served and those who qualified for deferment or just plain didn't serve.
We can put up our DD 214's as collateral.
Personally, I was only in the Coast Guard, so I am not qualified as a combat experienced authority.
Are you a vet, aye or nay?
At least you served in honor of the country, not government, like many who serve the agenda in lockstep to the politicians.
A bunch of lying, cheating, self serving political hacks who only serve their self interest..and would always leave their slain and wounded behind..
possee
At least you served in honor of the country, not government, like many who serve the agenda in lockstep to the politicians.
A bunch of lying, cheating, self serving political hacks who only serve their self interest..and would always leave their slain and wounded behind..
possee
Yes, and you'd better get with the new program if you enjoy your life here.
Because everything always balances out. That's just a law of nature. For one thing to live, something else must die.
Your war-lords of destruction are running out of things to die in order for them to live. Soon you'll be next.
Only way out is to stop the madness. We know Beck and Limbaugh are all about keeping it going ad infinitum...they are getting very rich. But what price riches? You can't take it with it when you die. Then what are you left with? Only yourself. Your honor, your integrity, your actions on this Earth.
Isn't that true?
So why be a d-ck?
It's just as plain as day....more war will only end in the total destruction of everyone.
So, rather than say "The cost of SS will bankrupt my grandkids"....
Guess what? Your grandkids won't be around to pay SS if this war-drumming idiocy doesn't stop.
And on a personal note... I'll be DAMNED if I die for Krystal,Perle, Wolfowits and Cheney!!! NONE of whom ever served, but didn't mind sending YOU.
Yes, you'll learn how to suck toes!
I was referring to those who propose to know the mindset of an actual combat veteran, something I am personally unable to do.
Then again we have:
"Your war-lords of destruction are running out of things to die in order for them to live."
And once again I ask, bitter, exactly who would you be addressing?
Unlike yourself bittersweet?
And for now, we have no draft.
At least I don't advocate anyone else doing what I won't. Unlike your hero's...who pushed and lied for war when they never had the pleasure. There is a very telling video out on the web..this guy goes into a republican convention and interviews college republicans about why they aren't signing up for Iraq if it's such a nobel cause.
There's a big difference between a war-monger who didn't serve and an anti-war monger who never served. One is a hypocrit, the other isn't.
And Dick Morris certainly knows a lot about sucking on the teat of gvt. He's been in it long enough!
Just Like Dick Armey, who has "the Cadillac of all healthcare" thanks to the gvt., while railing on about gvt. involvement in healthcare reform! Another hypocrit.He lobbies for the Health-only-care industry...duh!
Obama is sending troops into war, but it wasn't started by him. And he doesn't do it knee-jerk. I have faith in him to get us out. Once more and more service people themselves refuse to support this "war", he will have no choice. imo
Obviously Commander in Chief is above his pay-grade.
Do you give Obama credit for any of these?
1. Establishing a withdrawal plan for Iraq.
2. Tackling health care reform
3. Kick starting diplomacy after 8 years of none.
4. Reaching out to the Arab world.
5. Holding Israel's feet to the fire
6. Canceling more unnecessary military programs than any president in decades (ever?). Part of this is from today's news.
7. The Economy, while still poor, is significantly better than in on inauguration day.
Now, I will list some of his failures in a separate post if you want. That is, I am not saying that Obama is perfect. I'm just suggesting that he's not the total and complete failure that you apparently believe he is.
Does he deserve any credit for those things?
You say:
"Ike would look at America and state concerning Obama "you elected this racist with no voting record, no military record, no record with foreign diplomacy, no record at all."
Aren't you being just a little tough on poor George W. Bush? (his military record doesn't count).
I was just reading this has been the deadliest month in the Afghanistan since the start of US involvement.Will the Messiah bring them back to life seeing how he left them to languish on the ground?
Obviously Commander in Chief is above his pay-grade.
You're beyond the pale. Absolute nuts.
All I can say is the troglodyte's of all creeds and colors better get with the program....your time is over. Really over. Since the only logical extension of your world-view is the complete and total destruction of the world....
Though you'll go down fussing and fighting, go down you must. For the sake of us all.
Good point.
That's why I won't "get with the program".
I would rather be known for having resisted the State in the interests of defending liberty, than for having been a good little cog in the collectivist machine.
R-5
Do you give Obama credit for any of these?
1. Establishing a withdrawal plan for Iraq.
>R-5:I do give him credit for not following his original plan
2. Tackling health care reform
>R-5:Pardons, but I'm skeptical about equating increased collectivism with reform
3. Kick starting diplomacy after 8 years of none.
>R-5 What have been the tangible benefits of this increased diplomacy? If there are none, then its appeasement--not diplomacy.
4. Reaching out to the Arab world.
>R:5 See above...On wait! Muammar Qaddafi does like us a lot better now...
5. Holding Israel's feet to the fire
>R-5 Sorry but the association of Jews and ovens doesn't make it for me
6. Canceling more unnecessary military programs than any president in decades (ever?). Part of this is from today's news.
>R-5: Wrong cuts--and cancelled by the same day's diminuation of the First Amendment.
7. The Economy, while still poor, is significantly better than in on inauguration day.
R-5: Say what?
Peter,
Do you give Obama credit for any of these?
7. The Economy, while still poor, is significantly better than in on inauguration day.
Really?
Facts..
..Unemployment..
2009-01 7.60 Obama
2009-02 8.10
2009-03 8.50
2009-04 8.90
2009-05 9.40
2009-06 9.50
2009-07 9.40
2009-08 9.70
2009-09 9.80
Labor Department: 15+ million Americans now unemployed; highest jobless rate in 26 years.
CNN/Money..During Q3, one in every 136 U.S. housing units received a foreclosure filing — a record high. This quarter was the worst 3 month period since the great Depression.
U.S. DEFICIT $1.8 Trillion Dollars (2009)
The deficit in 2009 will be nearly three times larger than the second-largest deficit total (1943).
The deficit in 2009 will be larger than the second, third and fourth deficits COMBINED.
These three deficits occurred when the United States was fighting in a major world war.
possee
Soros: China Will Lead New World Order (warns Americans against resisting)
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16312
kumbaya!
possee
Both Gen. Mc Chrystal and Sec. Gates state we need the troop support NOW!
"You're beyond the pale. Absolute nuts." Sounds a little angry and personal.
"OK, I'll drop the childish pissing contest if you will." Well you honored that about as long as a Hamas cease-fire.
Aren't you being just a little tough on poor George W. Bush? (his military record doesn't count). What does your military record look like dk? Are you a combat veteran like mav? So far maverick is the only one who has qualified to even speak about war.
As far as your seven points, most are nothing more than talk.
“Canceling more unnecessary military programs…” I’ve not seen the cuts but if true, that would be a positive action so yes heI would give him credit for that.
Unemployment is worse now than it was in January, higher in 49 out of 50 states since the Porkulis package and the annual deficit was tripled.
Judge a man by his actions , not his words. Like I said, Credit given where credit is due.
should read "so yes I would"If anyone sees any more, I am confident you will point them out, and I thank you in advance.
Since I am her dk, about that provision in the constitution on health care?
You can drive for show but you putt for dough.
Personally I don't have any lawyer friends although I do have a nephew who works for a firm in Boston that represent parties being sued by the likes of people who can't drink a cup of coffee with out spilling it, inhaling a spoon handle and the like.
What do you say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSwWy4E6I04
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/opinion/22krugman.html?em
"..Mr. Paulson insists..he wants a “clean” plan. “Clean,”..., means a taxpayer-financed bailout with no strings attached — no quid pro quo on the part of those being bailed out. Why is that a good thing?.. Mr. Paulson is also demanding dictatorial authority, plus immunity from review “by any court of law or any administrative agency,” this adds up to an unacceptable proposal. I’m aware that Congress is under enormous pressure to agree to the Paulson plan in the next few days, with at most a few modifications that make it slightly less bad. Basically, after having spent a year and a half telling everyone that things were under control, the Bush adm. says that the sky is falling, that to save the world we have to do exactly what it says now, if this plan goes through in anything like its current form, we’ll all be very sorry in the not-too-distant future".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBHv2G1a-wo
9/11 financial highjacking
"people have lost their homes, jobs...should not have got bonuses...they are terrorists....one uses AIRPLANES, the other uses DERIVATIVES"...YAHOO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZPhp6vK5rw
Silverstein Spills The Beans About WTC Building 7
I wonder if those folks have noticed today's news that the economy grew a very respectable 3.5% in Q3. That's the average rate of growth for the economy over the last 80 years.
Now let me state the obvious before the knee jerk Obama critics do: Stimulus and rescue spending contributed greatly to this and jobs have not begun to appear.
Still, this growth is significantly larger than economists expected. There is absolutely no way that a reasonable person can see this as anything but good news and news that Obama had a large hand in generating.
OK, let's see how all the Obama haters fall all over themselves to make this turnaround in GDP growth into bad news. Should be fun to watch.
Reason's sited for the growth were "governmet spending" in other words, we're paying for this. Don't get me wrong, getting back on the right economic track is wonderful... but at what cost to the dollar and deficit?
Another # you missed, unemployment numbers reach a 26 year high.
Happy days .... aren't here just yet.
Don't forget one very important thing about recessions and deficits: The former is a huge, probably the largest, driver of the latter. When GDP shrinks incomes shrink, tax revenues shrink, and deficits grow.
Sure, we've spent trillions bolstering our economy and nobody likes the debt that that has created. But since that spending had a great deal to do with today's GDP growth, it will help reduce the deficit via that growth (higher tax revenues).
Who knows how many quarters we'd have stayed in the red vis-a-vis growth if we hadn't spent on stimulus. And each negative quarter would have dumped more billions into the deficit.
I can't say that I'm sure if we should have spent as much as we did on stimulus and on bail outs. I'm just saying that we shouldn't forget the deficit benefits of the growth it's created when we discuss that spending.
Happy days are not here but it's impossible not to consider this growth very good news.
Speaking of nerds...dk comments "Sure, we've spent trillions bolstering our economy".
That is my, my childrens, my grand childrens, my great grand childrens money.
As bitta would say "dats my money".
I said "happy days" weren't here just yet... and it may be longer than you think.
"The US Department of Commerce has issued its report on the growth of the US economy for the period between July and September, and the 3.5% growth rate has some people cheering. However, most observers note that much of the growth has been boosted by government programs and spending, and the foundation remains unstable. "
That paragraph says it all about double speak and why legal fees are out of sight and you are full of what my pet cows leave in the field.
Obama should have tossed Summers.,, Bernake and.Geithner out and let wallstreet implode. We bailed out banking terrorists. When is the next bubble? People don't spend when confidence is gone. More smoke and mirrors, no baseline on derivatives, just an illusion. Roman, if you're out there, thanks for the heads up last year, you have been right all along...twinkie man. .
"Enabling" is bad practice, whether in private life or in the realm of economics.
R-5
If a small bunch of true Americans stand tall we will prevail.
The enablers like bitta will wallow in the swamp grabbing the freebies the rest of us are paying for.
If it were not for good people like you, we would all be living in a nazi state.
Have a Nice Day!
Hello!!!!we are closer to a Nazi state than ever before in our history.
...I am soon to be bounced from this site. I pray that you, possee, buzz and Peter Walker(a guy I really admire) keep the faith.
If a small bunch of true Americans stand tall we will prevail...
"There is a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but those times have passed away. There is a time to fight, and that time has now come."
--Peter Muhlenberg, from a sermon read at Woodstock, Virginia, 1776
"It is better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees."
--Albert Camus
CCToday...when and how can I communicate with my friends?
Happy times are far off. This is the worst downturn since the Great Depression. It's been such a shock, employers will be very slow to rehire.
But, given that, do you or don't you agree that going from negative 6.5% growth to positive 3.5% growth in a single quarter is good news?
All of the economists that I've read say that we were on the brink of an incredible collapse last winter and that saving the banks was absolutely necessary.
Boy am I ever glad we didn't have a gambling man like you at Treasury or at the Fed last winter. I guess you would have rolled those dice, let the banks fail and crossed your fingers huh?
Very few of us are such gamblers.
Then I presume that you support the financial market reforms that Geithner discussed on Capital Hill that give the government greatly increased power over financial firms that receive government money.
Guess what German leader did that multiple times in the 1930s?
You are being subject to net neutrality.
Only those who agree with Team Obama are allowed multiple comments.
AP revealed that the GDP increase 3.5% was due to massive government spending, not actual private business, or personal spending..more lies.
Just wait til the dollar collapses totally, and soon.
It's beyond belief that the koolaid has reached so many.
The rapture has begun amongst the faithful..all facts are in denial. plausible deniability.
possee
Congress was being blackmailed by Paulson & Wallstreet thugs. Now that they have been bailed out (not the end, they will continue to be bailed out again)they have grown stronger, are not lending!... will keep going after the working class, middle class, until they deplete everyone's savings. What are you smokin'? My buddy from Wallstreet, met for lunch this week confirmed it. ..told me in 2005..."it's only going to get worse", IT DID, so I trust his 30+ yrs. of experience & expertise. He watches the market daily. This is not rocket science, it's just common sense. Credit card spending in on the downside since they raised the rates. How much do you really think the American people can take? Of course they will blow smoke in your face & tell you that unemployment is at 9%, when everyone knows it's much higher, like 26%. I asked my friend, "so is the market steadily on the upclimb"...
"yeah"...
"will it keep going"?...
"well, don't count on it".
Many cannot afford the same as before: retail, restaurants, new cars, new home purchases? Wallstreet house of cards...BaaaBOOOOM!
Wall street now is owned .and run by the DC elite.
Ask your friend how the wall street gang received billions and allowed the collapse of the competition and now are sittng in the OvaL Office Cabinet and czar postions.
The dollar is about to collpase..ask him about that scenario.
possee
How's this grab ya?
Got laid off in August. I've been looking for a job in every area I can think of that will match my salary. I don't make that much. My Cobra deadline was about to be terminated this week, so I paid the $300 to keep it going. I was told by the servicing agency that manages our Cobra, our employer picked up only 2 months, (minus our $50+ monthly contribution)then the Obama plan picks up the rest for up to 12 months, my a portion- 35% of the monthly premium. You think that is fair? The employer is off the hook, they never gave a a severance package, to any of us, some were there for over 20+ yrs. They should have been forced to pay for our health care--at the very LEAST! No, they threw it back to the taxpayers. I really would like to know what unemployment is doing about these WELL ENDOWED UNIVERSITIES who have tossed thousands of working class into the unemployment lines. They should be FINED. They could well afford to keep us. It was just a ploy to save money, as many companies do. They did not file for bankruptcy! Govt. should TAX THESE NON-PROFIT PHONIES.
Unless you are experiencing some of this major BS that is going on --you won't see or hear on FOX NEWS, or any of the Corporate Sponsored and owned networks--you just can't see the corrupt fleecing that is taking place! I don't understand why Congress is not pushing back! These companies who harbor billions (some in offshore tax sheltered accounts) need to have a FINANCIAL ENEMA! Where's all the money? Is it true that they were laundering money from the Russian mob on Wallstreet? Some are saying and a lot more..financing the war efforts, that's why the guy drowns mysteriously in his pool, because it will lead back to the source of who & why these fraudulent ponzie schemes were concocted in the first place? Some even predict that Wallstreet now relies on ponzie schemes activity to survive. So, what will be the next bag of tricks? Enticing unsuspecting investors to reinvest in more empty mutual funds, stocks, bonds, hedgefunds? They cooked our goose a little to long, dk. It's overdone, you can throw it against the wall and it will bounce back, just like the subprime loans.
I heard it all at the statehouse a couple of weeks ago on the subprime disaster. Now many are scrambling to find out which company actually owns the note. You know what? They can't find out because they have been sold off so many times, bundled to overseas investors (why we bailed AIG, etc. out) who have been screaming for their payments! HELLO. It's much more complicated than the majority of people have been told. They still try to save face, even though they are swimming in a dark shit tank with thousands of hungry investor sharks just waiting to pounce. Why do you think the guy who works with Geithner told Congress, "we can't devulge who are investors are to you because the other investors will lose all confidence"...so you wonder, who are they? How would everyone react if we knew who these overseas investors where? And they continue to try and convince us they are ethical? They have it under control? They are about to put us back in black and everything will be alright? Good thing I don't believe in fairy tales. Our pot of gold is not at the end of the rainbow, it's in HELL.
He has already told me and would drop WSJ articles mocking Barney Frank on my desk. In between, I would get articles on Dodd, Teddy and a number of other of his favorites. But he does blame Bush for a lot of it, says that at least Bush has now gone away and staying out of it, unlike Cheney. He, like you, has always contended that this is NOT A TWO PARTY GOVT. --IT IS ONLY ONE BAD PARTY who have succumbed and in collusion with the greed on Wall Street. It's just a big mess and no one knows how to fix it. IMO, we will be spiraling out of control for a while longer until things (hopefully) will stabilize, but I don't know, it's really hard to predict. With so much of our money tied up in these so called "derivatives", how do we know? Now people can't even buy homes because many notes are invalid. Looks like another real estate law feeding bonanza. I'm sure the lawyers are salivating by Boston Land Court, daily. Do we all invest in gold? Some predict it will go up to 2k oz., 3k-I don't trust any of it, rather buy acres in Argentina or the Balearic Islands, move if it tanks.
1. The abyss we were looking at last winter
2. The current situation where I will agree with you the Banks are back to their old tricks, etc. Hopefully financial market regulation will address that. I can't speak to that because I haven't followed it yet.
You've gotta separate those 2 things Cru. The fact that the banks are making out like bandits today does not mean that we should have rolled the dice last winter. If snake eyes had come up, we'd probably be at 8% negative growth and 15% unemployment today.
You and your Wall Street friend may want to gamble with our economy. Count me out.
I'll add that I agree with you that Wall Street is a complete, greedy, short term profit/bonus driven quagmire. I was talking about how to regulate all of that stuff with a friend last night and I have no idea how to get a regulatory handle on it. I sense that regulating Wall Street will be a lot like regulating campaign finance reform: Shut down one damaging channel and they come up with another. The guys on Wall Street are a lot smarter than campaign fundraisers!
After Health Care is behind us, I'll try to turn my mind to the financial markets. You're right: We need major and very tough regulation of those jerks.
Well I wonder how many other heavy GAMBLERS will be found face down in their swimming pools before this is over? I hear from another friend...."wait until the International community comes after all of their chicken shit asses." I don't think they play so nice....I mean let's face it, it comes down to two options--prison cells or dead man swimming pools. Doesn't sound like paradise to ME!
This may convice you: (Check out the comments below the article for a real eye opener that cannot be discounted)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bernie_buddy_drowns_in_cash_yWZHkgiWau8j0lepklpCiO
Don't forget about the continued strangle hold from AIG and other bonuses, contracts don't run out until 2012. Cha=ching$$. We just keep paying, they keep reaping, as grim as they are...One AIG employee who was canned, wrote to the NY TIMES about his experience, admits to making $700k in salary alone, not counting bonuses. That is INSANE. I don't care how much knowledge these guys have, or where they went to school. There are plenty of young rookies who could qualify for their jobs, but instead, they keep them on the payroll and guess who keeps paying their lucrative salaries + bonuses? WE DO. Congressmen have stated this as well on C-Span. And they question why the contracts can't be broken and sorted out in court. Hell, it would cost a lot less to settle. They say, "you are not putting the money we gave you, bailouts, back on the street, as promised, so give it back"! The economy is in a deep slump because the lenders are still up to their old tricks. They were riding so high, they forgot were the ground was! The mile high club and then some.
You probably won't like this, but the the existing bonuses are small potatoes compared to our $3 trillion budget. They really aren't that big a deal.
The important thing about those bonuses is the incentives that they establish for the future. That is: "Maximize short term profit no matter what!".
I worked in insurance for years and I just shook my head when I read about the money that 20 somethings were making in that London division of AIG that was selling all of those credit default swaps. They brought in hundreds of millions in premium year after year with no losses/claims while the real estate market was going up. Did anyone care to ask about an insurance market with no claims? If there was no risk, why would companies buy the swaps?
Oh, no: Nobody asked that kind of question because that would have messed up the gravy train: Massive bonuses for short term profit, long term risk be damned!
Fixing Wall Street compensation going forward is much more important than the existing bonuses.
I don't presume to have all the answers, just have seen, heard and experienced enough to know that what has happened to the middle class is criminal. I believe it was intentionally done to dismantle the backbone of our working communities. They did this in a way that it cannot be UNDONE. What does that tell us? The only one's that can put the golden eggs back in the chicken house are the Wallstreet Fox. They are keeping all the golden eggs for themselves. Jack's goose can't lay anymore golden eggs because they are fools gold. If the claim is that our dollars are monopoly money and chocolate foiled coins? It wasn't bad enough they scammed millions of US residents and non-residents in the subprime disaster, they got the entire global community in on their casino rigged enterprising and loansharking scams.
I hear what your saying, but my opinion is these guys are really criminally insane for doing what they have done. Anyone else, would have gone to prison. Why is Madoff taking the entire rap for this? Paulson, Geithner, Bernarke, Summers & Greenspan--should face a judge, too.
Restoring Wallstreet--Kick out the criminals who got us in this mess and put them behind bars, freeze their assets & sell them off, put the proceeds into the Treasury.
Retrieve the stolen billions in off shore accounts and put it back into the Federal Reserve.
Tell Israel to screw.
Bring our soldiers home. To hell with Afganistan, Iraq, the Saudi's, Pakistan & Iran. We have already lost far too much. Our focus should be on our wounded soldiers and our own economic survival.
Get the green energy up and running, make it affordable. The technology has been around for decades. I've been reading about it for years, at my previous job. It's all been invented, but the good ole' boys don't want competition to tank their oil empires. Tell the oil companies to beat it.
Keep our universities and it's competitive technologies as US PROPERTY. Limit the amount of foreign students. We need to educate our own and bring tuition DOWN to an affordable price.
PRODUCE JOBS so we can sustain ourselves, teaching everyone, not just privileged.
Namaste r-5.
And I really don't care too much about all the current mess until we deal with the absolute criminal, murderous activity of the administration that wen before.
Sorry...I don't take it lightly. It has scarred and damaged and ruined us for life.
I am not over it. Will never be over it until we have Justice. For what we saw with out own eyes and know in our guts.
You are straining at knats while the big mosquito feasts on your blood.
People cry treason over this health bill?
What do they call the whole of the past eight years?
First scum First.
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Now I'm going to watch all of cru's suggested videos...
Sooo....looks like
"The enablers like bitta will wallow in the swamp grabbing the freebies the rest of us are paying for."
It's not me grabbing all the freebies!
Nor doing the enabling.
Bt the way, one of my posts was deleted the other day too...don't feel so bad. It was a truthful statement by a prisoner of the right-wing junta regime in honduras....
"The old paycheck funding scheme...rip off the ghetto some more."
THAT is the REAL truth.
As reported yesterday in Edmonds.com.
Taxpayers ended up paying an average of $24,000 per vehicle for the cash-for-clunkers program over the summer when sales that would have happened anyway are taken into consideration, says car-buying research site Edmunds.com.
It's not about hating Obama as you suggest, its about where this country is headed.
That's Capitalism crusader.
That's In god We Trust.
sorry for hogging...but it's just so annoying that people keep making excuses for it...Democrat or Republican...it's the Capitalist Greed System that is to blame.
Shared Democracy. Shared profit/shared pain.
"Capitalist Greed System that is to blame.
Shared Democracy. Shared profit/shared pain."
Enough with the finger pointing... what type of gov't would you like to see? Socialist?
Your stance as a non believer has been again reaffirmed.
Our great leader has now been equated to Caesar, and "sent by God' according to Sting..
Please refrain from such blasphemy and accept your fate.
Soon enough, you will be silenced, along with all opposition, with net neutrality.
All believers will receive the rapture as promised.
possee
Does that mean that Nancy Pelosi is Cleopatra?
Hey bitter...let's back up a few steps. Lehman Brothers...guess who's cousin was working for them? Wonder how much he walked away with?
No, Pelosi is relegated to the underworld gods, as she still has not seen the light.
She is, and still remains, the legendary Lernaean Hydra.
Nero Caesar would most fitting.
Check out the SPIN from FOXNEWS with Senator Kucinich, your fav--this is why the majority have not heard ALL STORIES. FOX IS THEIR LAP DOG. "Saddled"?..how do you like being saddled with all the undeserved bonuses, and bailouts...Congress just admitted that the bailouts did not go to the taxpayers and homeowners. They should have tanked these institutions and given everyone a 5% rate, like the privileged get. You think they didn't get into trouble before the crash, but their banking friends helped them switched to a fixed rate loan, not from the sub-prime sewer Wallstreet created? The homeowers who got their modified loans are paying these loans back. What are these criminal enterprises paying back? ZERO.
Many of us do take responsibility, but the burden does mainly fall on the criminals who cleverly crafted the loans that aren't even worth the paper they have been printed on. Forget about the 10 million (higher figure now) homeowners for a minute--I found out that many first home buyers cannot quality (according to greedy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ6YDqC6aic&NR=1
God forbid a news organization would have a back and forth debate asking a congressman such questions like ... "why we're not having hearings on Freddie and Fanny" or "what about personal responsibility". How dare they ask those questions... Why should we the people bare any responsibility?
I'm not afraid of news stations for "what they're asking".... I'm afraid of news organizations for what
they're "NOT asking".
Hmmmm!
From your lips to Gods' ears.
It worked for Samuel Adams
Mav, I thank you for your service to our country
Who Rules America? (Parts 1-7..more clips)History repeating again and again--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8F1OoEqbcA&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax68VdLFG4Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPumQ_Ptt80
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tgQmAQfE8M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKEq1iUPTKc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azQHMPIwepc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-FcutIr1-Q&feature=related
academics--govt policy--corporate influence--media negates ALL.
The rest of you remind me of this classic scene;
Philip: Sire, thy own nephew. What beast could do such a thing?
Longshanks: If he can sack York, he can invade lower England.
Philip: We would stop him!
Longshanks: Who is this person who speaks to me as though I needed
his advice?
Prince: I have declared Philip my High Counselor.
Longshanks: Is he qualified?
Philip: I am skilled in the arts of war and military tactics, sire.
Longshanks: Are you? Then tell me, what advice would you offer on
the present situation?
The rest, as they say is history.
I already told you...don't you read?...Shared Democracy.
Or maybe just Real Democracy...the kind where the voting machines aren't made by a family member of one of the people who happens to be running for office at the time...DUH!
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Russian Mob crusader?
You know, I've been noticing that a lot more of the International workers are now coming from Eastern Europe. Also many gas stations are now Russian-owned. (can't think of the name..starts with a V)
Also, that plant Orly Taitz is a Russia Jew...and a Zionist at that.
As Les Visible says, the AshkeNazi Jews. They are Jews by choice, not birth-right. Came from the Caucacus(sp) mountains in where? Eastern Europe on the Black Sea.
And before anyone starts...I know. VP Biden is an avowed Zionist. But at least he did tell AIPAC that they would have to play fair in Palestine...as if it was a huge favor from them. PLEASE.
Speaking of Fox...I heard that the REAL Jewish group-who actually follow the tenets of Judaism-J Street-- was lambasted on Fox.
Only those who agree with Team Obama are allowed multiple comments."
How do you explain my comment being deleted then?
Maverick's service to our country is duly noted. You don't have to bring it up on every post.
There are plenty of soldiers who have suffered and have come back with limbs blown off and our govt. has turned their backs on them. They struggle to survive along with their families who must care for them because your military establishment has been negligent in their duty to provide them with the tools they needed while in service. We heard it all about how Rumsfeld turned his back on them. And they come home to what? A poorly run VA establishment that doesn't even have the common decency to provide for them and their families? This is like Vietnam is many ways-poppy seeds and lost souls.
They put you in fear so you will believe that war is the answer to our problems. It only creates more issues and we dig ourselves deeper into debt that cannot be paid back to China. So just give them the deed to the USA house of fraud and call it a day, because to not question our govt and the corporate criminals that are now running the world is no better than being a treasonous coward.
I don't have to but it's the least we can do for those who provided us with the freedom to dissent and it sure feels good.
It's a vet thing cru and the debt to our combat veterans can never be repaid.
Thanks again mav.
cru, if I have to explain.......
No explanation necessary. I commend Mavericks sacrifices and strifes, but I really don't see your point in this context of discussion. It doesn't make his or your arguments anymore valid than the rest of us. Having served in the military really has very little to do with what wallstreet has done to our nation. They are two separate issues and should be treated as such.
I've had family who have also served in the military as well as CIA and NSA. Do you constantly see me interjecting this in posts? Occasionally, I may, at times, in order to make a point about a topic specific to the debates. At the end of the day, what does it matter?
We are all in this together, whether we served, or not. Just because some have not, does not make them less worthy. My daughter dates a boy who served in Iraq. He's going to school to become a police officer now. He won't talk about his experiences there, and she won't ask, but she shares that he seems somewhat indifferent and struggles with human emotion. I don't see that as a good thing. War does terrible things to everyone involved.
bootleggers, teamsters, members of the military, CIA, NSA, and one in politics...so what else do we need to know about how the world works? The only occupation we lacked was banker, but who needs one when you have all the rest? cheers buddy boy....you should have taken Ned's warning about the urine on the floor...HA. I might have picked up some risk behaviors from the blood line, but I will get through, trust me.
"On days such as this," said the president, "we resolve to never let it happen again."
Mr. Obama offered that solemn reproach at the end of a Rose Garden ceremony at which he presented a Presidential Unit Citation to honor the heroism and gallantry of a U.S. Army troop in Vietnam nearly 40 years ago.
He said it's "never too late" to thank those that served America in uniform. "We can never say it enough. To you and all those who served in Vietnam, we thank you. We honor your service. And America is forever grateful."
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Let me guess, you have a problem with that too?
Recent legislation which forces vets budgets to be approved a year in advance so they will always get paid?
Also, PTSD is finally being taken seriously instead of laughed off as wimpy behavior. Could have saved lot of misery had they done it before.
From the Cruz video:his ptsd was labeled "a pre-existing disorder by the military"!!
Possee has a son in harms way and my mate Jim's son leaves for Iraq in April.
I visited my aunt in Washington D.C. in 1951. We went to a ticker tape parade to honor Gen. Douglas MacArthur. He had been relieved of duty by Pres. Truman for wanting to cross the 38th Parallel and destroy N. Korea. In retrospect he was right. The war should have continued until there was one Korea. And none of the crap we see today would be happening.
And I hope Israel bombs Iran's facilities and rids us of another nuclear threat.
I'm sorry to hear about the brave soldiers-- possee's son and son of your friend who will soon be deployed. There are some of us who just don't believe in war, especially if there is enough evidence to show that it is for ill gotten gains by the corporate elite. We all come here with our own set of belief systems, but it does not mean that I do not respect our armed forces. I most certainly do, as millions of other citizens who understand the sacrifices and eminent danger to their precious lives. Some of these men and women haven't even begun to live their lives.
I do not believe the majority of people are being told the truth about why we are occupying Iraq and continue to dominate the Middle-East. There is more to the story here they won't tell us. Now it seems we have no choice but to remain, since this situation has become elevated to a place were we are forced to now defend and continually be placed in fear.
I disagree. Iran is not our problem--Israel is and always has been. We do their bidding--but they hide it so well.
I pray the boys return safely home.
They forced us into the war. Where do you think these ponzie schemes originated? Dead man in the pool ended the trail of rotten bread crumbs, just as building 7.
The guy now lives in Israel.
What war?
What ponzie schemes?
What dead man in the pool?
I do know of Bldg. 7. Imploded to cover up the Bush administration's involvement of 9/11.
Go to my link I posted last night to dk...ny post picower bernie madoff, he is the dead man found in the pool. Read comments below article, pg 1 and 2 esp! 2. On the road, mom's in hospice, but she is showing slight improvement, bringing legals her fav, having dinner-nurses claim she only eats dinner if I'm with her, she started to complain last evening, so I think she's better.
And I would just like to say that there are little kids who walk to school every day and are in just as much danger of being shot as a soldier in Iraq.
There are people who have lived this "recession" or "depression" since the inception of this country and always are blamed for it because they are poor.
When Cindy Sheehan's son died in Iraq, all she wanted to know was why.
She was vilified as an enemy of America.
Wasn't her son an American kid who died for us too?
We HAD better wake up and realize we are in this together.
But how can we move forward when the past is unresolved?
It all hooks together anyway....All it will take is but a breathe to blow the whole thing down. A sweet, small breath of Justice. For all those who have died. And for us.
We have to make it happen. Because Obama is open to hear it.
The Enemy Within
by Gore Vidal, The Observer (UK), October 27, 2002
In a 7,000 word essay and review of Ahmed's "War on Freedom", Vidal lays out the early evidence for administration complicity (This stunning piece has never been quoted or even mentioned in the mainstream US press.)
Happy Halloween kiddies!
Here's what he had to say recently about Roman Polanski's 13 yr old rape victim.
“I really don’t give a [expletive]. Look am I going to sit and weep every time a young hooker feels as though she’s being taken advantage of?”
The young woman to whom he is referring is Samantha Geimer, who was a 13-year-old aspiring model in 1977 when she was drugged and raped by Polanski."
Speaking of corruption when might you address the Rangel investigation?
Today or never? He, Obama and the rest of the racist muslim faction are intent on destroying America.
NY POST article:
"Picower was the target of a $7 billion suit by Irving Picard, the trustee for the Ponzi schemer's victims".
Comments from posters:
"All of Bernie's "investors" with scam foundations to avoid paying taxes should be investigated".
"...was a hit put on Picower by the Jewish Mafia..couldn't get to Bernie so Picower was the next closest thing".
"...day they decided to laundry Russian mob money was a fateful day,for the swimming pool and places of deep dark water. Disappearance with no body found will be for the next ones".
"In 50 years they will realize Picower was assassinated by Israel. His foundation was one of the largest grantors to Israeli causes, funding the free trip for Jewish teenagers all over the world to visit Israel for two weeks. Ezra Merkin controls Israel's largest bank, IDB. Picower and Merkin were clearly involved with Israel and this is a nice clean break from details being discovered".
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bernie_buddy_drowns_in_cash_yWZHkgiWau8j0lepklpCiO?offset=8#comments
One never knows of what is posted on blogsites or in the comment section, but you must admit, those who post really have nothing to gain..do they?
He was pocketing $7 billion?
http://aaronandmoses.blogspot.com/2009/10/who-murdered-picower.html
"We know that Jeffrey Picower has a scandalous past. And we also know that when Madoff went bust, Picower quietly and very quickly closed the Picower Foundation. Too some it was too quickly. Back in February ABC News thought that Picower and Levy were the funnels for Madoff's billions. But then we found out that Picower had taken $5.1 billion over and above his investment. Now that figure has increased upwards by another two billion to $7.2 billion. Here were some of his annual withdrawals...
670 wires out of Madoff, averaging $100 million each, and no bank has any culpability? $6.746 billion wired out? And all we have on Picower is a lawsuit from the Fed's"?
Maverick...sounds like more to the story, once again. You be the judge. I've already made up my own mind. Thanks to Madoff, this guy & others--they got their war+$$$$.
"And his foundation, had an unusual way of pricing stocks. On December 26, 2000, on the day after Christmas, they bought 60,003 shares of AIG at $2.41. (page 27). That was a neat trick--the stock was 25X the price.
It's easy to make money, when you make up prices"!
Israel is in a position with our help to maintain stability in the middle east.
bitta...no comment on Rangel?
Rangel's accusations are trumped up charges by the secret Bush/Cheney gang residing in a bunker under the White House, while being entertained by Elvis.
possee
For your perusal hot off the wires..
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=110006§ionid=351020202
Home > Middle East > Palestine
Israel, US hold largest ever war games
Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:32:46 GMT
Believe what you will, by the time they have looted the entire fort knox, we will all know the who's and why's.
If you're out there, I would sure like your take on this, and previous links posted, thx. cru
http://aaronandmoses.blogspot.com/2009/10/richard-russell-commentary.html
I rest my case.
"Russian thug barred entry in the US gets clearance by FBI to meet with--Goldman Sachs"...
http://madoffwatch.org/?tag=russian-mafia
Didn't hear this on FOX NEWS...oh
Here's another goodie.
I'm not much of a market watcher. The link you sent me seems to contain a bunch of speculation: Reading of tea leaves. That guy has no idea either.
I will say that I've been surprised how the market has gone up given the very poor long term prospects of the economy: Low growth without government stimulus, horrible job growth, incredible debt.
Happy Cape Halloween!
thx..cru
And buzz...care to comment on the article I was actually referencing?It was very funny in a huge sarcastic kind of way..very clever.And these people deserve sarcasm, and more.
Just as this:
"Bush, Cheney and Blair visits to Canada. Under Canadian laws they are War Criminals
Global Research, October 1, 2009
Lawyers Against the War"
That makes Spain, France and now Canada...any guess when WE will deal with our own?
Well cru, being an aspiring journalist you should know that you don't report hearsay or rumors", you wait for the facts.... unless of course, you're bitter:)
Please stop equating facts with conjecture.
Only CNN provides accurate unbiased news.
Afterall, the other networks , and the White House, have proven beyond doubt, that Fox News is not a news org, therefore, those who never watch Fox can validate what they report or not.
Makes sense , doesn't it?
possee
thx and Happy Cape Halloween.
--it's been a wild Odyssey of jagged paper dolls, cassia-patchouli oases, palmarosa rabbit holes, bonnet blushing daisies, and pillowy razored pinwheels.
Beckles cries, honesty dies.
Then they dig up an old video of kids singing a song for Obama and the whole of Fox is trembling in terror about the new Mao! Oh my GOD!!! Indoctrination *gasp**sob* *gasp* indoctrination....it's so ridiculous it's laughable. Ha. Ha. Ha.
It's not our fault you buy that cheap theatrics as "news".
But it is yours.
Wake up and smell the gas!!! Fox is laying stinkbombs.
I have to hold my nose even changing channels near them!
Meanwhile, the crime of crimes goes un-punished,
while some of the perpetrators are welcomed on that channel as credible human beings.
It's really sick.
And CNN is no better! They all enforced the false story and all played psychological games with our minds.
The worst was showing the towers burning and people waving white flags while playing that Enya song..complete psychological manipulation.
Of course, they had stopped showing the bodies flying off the buildings by then, which is what we needed to see--to comprehend the true horror.
TREASON.
Codex Alimentarius!!
I had heard about this years ago from conspiracy web-sites...and there is a video out with a US gvt employee--a woman--who speaks about it, and it was so sinister and devious that a part of my mind still remembers. This is what I thought possee was talking about with the Global Climate Change Initiative in Copenhagen.
But this is something different. And the caller said that the Congress had passed some provision that will go into effect on Dec 31, 2009. It's stated purpose is to promote health, but the caller says the real purpose is to effect the starvation of billion of people on this earth.
Very strange times we are living in....
Although my money is still on The Good.
should read billions.
Nutricide - Criminalizing Natural Health ...
This is just one of many plans, by the NWO.
What was considered lunacy and conspiracy a year ago, now is becoming a factual reality throughout the world.
The only source of real information without state or government filtering and manipulation, is the internet.
Although you must filter through conjecture and fact., and make up your own decisions.
That. too will end once "net neutrality 'becomes law here.
The current discussion here regarding the incident at CCH is a microcosm of the big picture.
possee
Although we disagree on much..
my now deceased uncle said forty years ago, (a Lt Col in the NSA)..
" if the public knew 1%!!! of what's really going on in the world, there would be mass hysteria."
What I was told,along with my dad,is now fast becoming reality.
I never gave much thought to his statements til now.
After delving through hundreds of released docs and sites,never before available,I must conclude he was right.
We are collectively manipulated from the get go,and must awake from the slumber of propaganda,be it news, media,politicians,corporations,wall street, etc..dig for the truth behind the lies.
It's not easy to admit that those you once held in some sort of respect,or trust,for years,are proven to be as nefarious as the opposing side,and worst of all,all one in the same.
I had always mistrusted government,but during the aftermath of 911, gave Bush and government a shot of belief...
fooled again..
But am not fooled by the existing game players,be they Obama or any political idealogue,left or right.
Oh well, back to square one.
possee
" if the public knew 1%!!! of what's really going on in the world, there would be mass hysteria."
That matches perfectly the alleged quote of GHW Bush, by Sarah McClendon! "If the American people knew what we have done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us"
But I differ from you in that I believe there are plenty of good people of power in this mix,and I think OB may be one of them. (cautiously optomistic)
Because I think their sadistic lust for power has over-reached, even for the others who benefit with them.
And thanks to the internet, we-the-people know too much now. They can't change that, no matter what they do.
Plus, it is more than our planet, and our little gods, it is the Universe and the Big God we answer to.
Time goes in cycles...and this is a big one ending now.
The 60's vibe, only this time the door doesn't shut. That's what I think.
It's okay to disagree while maintaining civility, as you always have done. Maybe you could invite Mcfly over to your home sometime and teach him a thing or two about it.
I recall hearing similar from family members..."if the American people only knew what atrocities are caused within our govt. agencies"....."capitalists are in the business to wage wars because it makes huge profits"....and so forth. Yes, many of us would like to believe our govt is working on our behalf--are mainly working for their next campaign contribution. I don't believe they are all on the same corrupt army tank ready to plow us into the ground awaiting corp. orders. I think some like Kucinich and Capuano are trying to maintain some balance and normalcy. But with all the billions of untaxed slush funds, how does one hope to overcome the continual greed and deception? I never realized how shallow people are until I had to witness it for myself. It comes down to a poisonous self-interested society, absent of compassion, righteousness, and humility. I still think a level playing field is the answer.
They actually even admitted it was Big Business now. The hell with people's lives, make more stupid laws so we can lock em up and make mo money mo money (In living Color, remember?)
But Senator Jim Webb wants to do something about it, and I think Holder does too.
So we have to let them know that WE do.
Marcy Kaptur knows exactly what is going on up there in The City of Satan, and she doesn't appear to be going along with it...the cat's out of the bag!
In fact, if you watch C-Span, it gives you hope, not dis-couragement.
Even with 9/11--there was that Republican Senator who was ripping daily about Able Danger.
I happen to think there are more good than bad, and they cannot just kill us all.....
Can They?
Bernie Madoff is a non-violent offender.... are you for letting HIM go?
And I don't doubt it for a second. What else could be the point of fear?
And buzz, that is so stupid as to be really dumb. Here's what I think...a kid who smokes marijuana or does cocaine or crack or heroine need not be locked up in prison with violent offenders. There are far better ways to handle it.
Now I'm going to try something with you: Cape Cod sucks and is filled with idiots!
reply?
"In order to keep us obedient, meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver- stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist; a horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it.
"They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, and filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.
"Through the mind, which after all is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. The predators ensure in this manner a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear."--Castenada
Was in the Matrix movie..interesting, huh?
Who,may I ask,is Mcfly?
possee
Matrix was an awesome epic..
Perhaps even relevant ,in some degree, to what we face now.
possee
possee
BUZZ MCFLY
How to Vanquish Fear
The Bible is filled with it. If only we would see it as a guide to true human fulfillment instead of a stick to beat each other with!! "All this ye shall do, and more."
Jesus Christ was a master sorcerer.
imo imo imo
It's from 1986, and all I kept thinking was, boy, I've been asleep for a very long time!
Jonathan May, Economic Hitman
"Does the American Empire Deserve to Die?
Questions for Thinkers on the Left and Right Concerning the USA
by Douglas Herman"
According to black racists...yes.
According to the founders of America...no.
As to the good folks...pick up your piece and let the last good man stand until God says enough.
"The US House of Representatives is expected to vote Tuesday on a resolution calling on President Barack Obama to reject the UN's Goldstone report, which accuses Israel and Palestinian militants of war crimes in Gaza.
The bipartisan proposal calls on President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton "to oppose unequivocally any endorsement or further consideration" of the Goldsone report, dismissing it as "irredeemably biased and unworthy of further consideration or legitimacy."
If this happens, it's over. Turn out the lights gracie and go to bed.
Great idea.
PS...God can never say enough.
George Burns, Vaudeville...that's America. Not turning your gvt. over whole-sale to another entity!
KENNY'S SIDESHOW
"THE NEIGHBORHOOD CROWD THAT SHOUTS FOR SOMETHING BETTER"
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 2009
Israel first House of Reps condemns Goldstone Report
"The killing of Palestinian children and war crimes doesn't matter. Israel is innocent, jews are always the victims and besides that they support our campaigns very generously. We will continue to give them countless billions of dollars in free money and armaments, fight wars in the middle east for them and protect the racist apartheid state that they so well deserve."
U.S. House prepared statement (not)
I was so relieved to see my man Dennis didn't sign it, as well as Jim McDermott, who was the only member who stood with Kucinich on Impeaching Bush/Cheney. And our own Stevie Lynch didn't sign either!!
And, of course, Ron Paul.
36 people with guts and integrity....
Reminds me of the old Bible story...God says "find me ten good men and I'll spare you my wrath".
No sparing this one.
No surprise there...Ileana Ross-Lethin sponsored the bill, Harmann spies for Israel (IMO), what do you expect?
Over and Out. And Done. Until we grow back some balls and some decency.
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz, dog, you are a$$holes...it's 1:53...time to hang up the old seahag.
We all know there are only a few posters, who change their names around just to give themselves their own rise.
Go made bread.
RE:"Go made bread"--
Here she's trying to tell me to "go make bread".
She labeled + certified me as a "hag" earlier in the thread.
I was also pronounced a "Sea-Hag" before that.
I have now been branded
as a "bread hag" too.
RE:"Go made bread"--
Gee, that letter K seems a task!
D and K are clearly at opposite ends of the keyboard.
You'd have to be REALLY whacked-out to make THAT kind of typo!
It's another reason we need to focus
on the sheer embarrassment you've
been generating here.
No bebe el vino calor.
Try ice-
It works too quick that way...
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