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DA's office coverup death in Cape hospital, Trooper drunk driving

Visitor to Hyannis Hospital killed by employee using a restraint hold
What took hospital, police and D.A.'s office three weeks to reveal killing?
When isn't empty beers cans enough reason to give a Breathalyzer test?

By Walter Brooks

State and local police are investigating the death of an unidentified visitor to Cape Cod Hospital which happened three weeks ago. Daniel J. Ryan, 35, of Quashnet Woods Drive, Mashpee was subdued by employees inside the Hyannis facility on October 9 according to radio station WXTK. The man had been trying to visit his wife who was being treated for psychiatric issues.

Hospital security put the man in a choke hold, rendering him unconscious. Then he died.

The Cape Cod Times reported that the 35-year-old man came to the hospital to visit his wife, according to a source with knowledge of the incident. The man ended up in the emergency room for a psychiatric evaluation, the source said. The emergency room employees placed him in "one-on-one observation," which means a hospital employee was assigned to watch him closely.

At some point, the man fled from the emergency room and ran through the hospital, the Cape Cod Times source said. A short time later, a page was heard over the hospital's loud speakers calling for help in the lobby of the Mugar Building. The page later announced a "Code 99," a medical emergency usually requiring cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

The man was placed on life support due to a lack of oxygen in his brain. At the time of his death he had been on life support for nearly two weeks.

The hospital says employees restrained the patient in order to prevent him from injuring anyone else. Several Cape Cod Hospital employees were injured.

Why isn't our DA investigating some crimes?

"The facts that State Trooper Peirce admitted to consuming alcohol earlier in the day and that two empty beer cans were found in his car were not enough to compel police to administer a Breathalyzer test."
                                - D.A. O'Keefe.

Hospital security put the man in a choke hold, rendering him unconscious, according to WXTK radio. Another source told cctoday that DA O'Keefe has too many skeletons in his own closet to vigorously pursue some case, the failure to investigate the highway crash involving a State Trooper was mentioned as another example.

The D.A. said yesterday, "The facts that State Trooper Peirce admitted to consuming alcohol earlier in the day and that two empty beer cans were found in his car were not enough to compel police to administer a Breathalyzer test."

It would have been compelling enough to get most drivers tested and arrested.

That death on an abortion table, the DA's missing guns

In 2007 the DA's office did not pursue an abortion death until this newssite and others reported the incident.

Cape Codders have to wonder whether Mr. O'Keefe's own problems have him unable to police the police and the "power structure" here.

He has never fully explained the disappearance of guns from his Sandwich home, and he has never been prosecuted for his failure to keep them locked and possibly even registered.

The 2006 theft of a firearm from the home of Cape and Islands District Attorney Michael O'Keefe - a firearm for which no serial number is available - has raised questions concerning the Cape's top law enforcement official.

Who polices the police?

The police department investigation of the missing gun, which remains open, has been hampered by what a department memo calls "the lack of a serial number."

State law requires that the serial number of a firearm be recorded every time the gun is sold or transferred. Law enforcement officials say serial numbers are key tools for investigating crimes involving guns.

Massachusetts law also requires that the owner of a firearm hold a license or permit appropriate for that gun.

O'Keefe lives in Sandwich. On Dec. 28, 2006, Sandwich police responded to a report of breaking and entering at his home. During that break-in, according to police, a gun was stolen.

The police department investigation of the missing gun, which remains open, has been hampered by what a department memo calls "the lack of a serial number."

Why wouldn't the chief law enforcement officer for Cape Cod and the Islands have the registeration numbers? And what would your police department do to a mere resident were they to not disclose that information?

Who polices the police?

The hospital statement

The hospital released a prepared statement Friday which read in part, "Cape Cod Hospital can confirm that a patient who died in the hospital earlier this week was involved in an altercation in which certain of our employees restrained the individual while waiting for additional assistance."

"Several of those employees were injured themselves although none to the extent of those involved in the event at Massachusetts General Hospital just a few days ago."

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10/31/09 @ 10:08 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
DA's office cover-up, those holding facilities should be investigated for patient abuse, I'm not surprised someone took matters into their own hands, these things will happen when human beings are abused.

The current social system is the biggest failure of human services due to inflicted psychological abuses that occur on a daily basis. Unless you're trained to spot the work of a manipulative system, you become the victim.
10/31/09 @ 10:38 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Oh, not more stories about the continual ineptitude of the DA's office.

Cover-ups/lawsuits? Does the state pick up the tab on MO's failures, or is it on the backs of island residents, via Barnstable's "I screwed up once again" ER fund? Just curious. BTW, I'm beginning to think that MO is Cape Cod's next fall guy. What are your thoughts? Looks like another lynch mob is lining up.

Walter, I think it's great that you are printing this but honestly, how many cases does it take? Is this really MO's last term prior to retirement, so it's okay to just throw the guy to the vultures now? A bit too late, wouldn't you say? Manso's dated, dusting fiction may be out when everyone is retired, golfing in FL (where else?)& collecting taxpayer paid pension funds. Just wanted to get that straight, since I'd like to know as Martha races against the senatorial clicking clock. Where's Seth? Hope he's not out kayaking. Has he gone underground? Can't always trust investors.

I'd like Walker's input on this--come on Walker. Don't make me bring out the PW archives. I think it's raining yellow once again.
10/31/09 @ 10:56 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Oh! Yes, Cru... The cesspool of corruption is erupting.
10/31/09 @ 11:57 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Ana,

Maybe if the trooper had beer cans stacked up to the interior roof of his crusier? How many vehicles are hauled off to the junk pile, only to be replaced by the already overburdened taxpayers? A former co-worker lost his sister to an accident involving a MSP who was speeding in Boston. What no special driver's ed programs? I saw him on the train one day and expressed my sympathy for his loss. He could only nod. It was just days since the fatal accident.

"..two empty beer cans were found in his car were not enough to compel police to administer a Breathalyzer test."
- D.A.

Am I the only one who sees a problem with this statement? Wouldn't it have been better to say NOTHING? The sheer arrogance...what do you expect? The sad part about all of it--there is not one person--not the writers, journalists, law enforcement, AG, FBI, those in DC--holding those accountable. It's only about promotions and making money on self-involved fiction novels. The two local writers have nothing of value to contribute to the stories--they are egos of wild geese.
10/31/09 @ 12:10 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Cru, those of us who keep our eyes wide open, are not blinded by the decay of blotches.
10/31/09 @ 12:20 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Yes, it will be interesting to see if those who cry foul at Washington politicians will hold their own accountable.
10/31/09 @ 12:26 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Ana,

What is equally disturbing about these stories (that never seem to end)--where are the missing pieces to the bigger puzzle? Do you notice that the printed articles lack depth of important elements necessary to complete the saga?

It's like going to the market and only buying a few groceries, to later discover you can't finish the recipe or prepare the meal because the essential ingredients are MISSING! What are you left with? A big mess that goes into the trash, waste pile, landfill...then buried or burned in the incinerator once again to carry on for yet another day and episode. Guess it's how they like it.

10/31/09 @ 12:28 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
The hospital released a prepared statement: According to such, and such, and such............... This is the problem, facts are always hidden!

A spread mixture of caca del BULL.

And to get to the bottom of the pit, it's called Organizational CRIME by the very professionals that we as a society entrust our lives and depend on. I've stated this over and over and over...

Victim of Abuse! It could not scream any louder than the lyrics to this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_AQ2kOrst0
10/31/09 @ 1:37 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Ana,

"A spread mixture of caca del BULL"...."Cape and Islands District Attorney Michael O'Keefe says it’s an active probe". (WXTK)

Interesting choice of words...maybe he knows it's time for the IA enema.

10/31/09 @ 1:48 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Yea, well NASA probes in outer space as well with no change.
10/31/09 @ 1:58 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
I hear those Internal Affair Probes can get messy...it's a safe bet that MO will have enough spare towels around. And maybe Flook can be around to write a sequel to help him clean up the next big spill.
10/31/09 @ 2:05 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Morse Code:X.Z.ZlX.X.Z.X This is Del Gato 51,
Houston we have a problem!
10/31/09 @ 2:39 pm
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
"Don't make me bring out the PW archives."

Bring it on girlfriend.

Said it before and I'll say it again.

All I know is what I've read and to me, it doesn't pass the smell test.

You know how valid opinions are, mine is that they hung the wrong man out to dry.

That's my story and I'm stickin' with it!
10/31/09 @ 2:44 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Bad odor, stressed marine life, and murky water will do that, Mr. Peter Walker.
10/31/09 @ 4:59 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
CC Today/Walter,

I sit here scratching my head and wonder if this site has any journalistic integrity? Where do you get your information? Your headline reads: "DA's coverup in death at CC Hospital" You site the CC Times and if you read the article, it clearly states: ""We'll be assembling all the evidence as we would in any kind of unattended death," O'Keefe said. "And when the investigation is complete, we'll take whatever action is called for, if any."

I've questioned the DA's actions in the past regarding the gun incident, but how can you say he's not investigating a crime when it's apparent that he is? Walter?
10/31/09 @ 5:16 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
take whatever action is called for, if any." If any??? Hello!!! People WAKE UP!
10/31/09 @ 5:20 pm
CCToday [Member] writes:
Buzz, perhaps you should read it again - the death occurred almost two weeks ago and the press was not informed until yesterday, and that was because the media began making inquiries.
10/31/09 @ 5:21 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Buzz, why not just let the medical professionals continue to hit patients with the phone on the forehead, when trying to call out for HELP, because they're being ABUSED.
10/31/09 @ 5:43 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Walker,

You've redeemed yourself, cowboy. Some still believe the DA is a fictional character who lives in Mayberry--minus the towel toga party, a psycho-flake named Flook and all the rest of that ugly chaos. Takes a special kinda person to grab me. I took the time to research your previous posts, found a few that peaked my interest:

"Look at me, look at me, I'm not just a chicken$hit DA in a chicken$shit town, I'm a playa'....."O'Keefe said, "There were a number of other shortcomings that make up the willful, wanton, and reckless conduct." Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Please devote the next fifteen minutes to Mikes ego.

So did O'keefe tap Flook after they had dinner and allegedly discussed the case.
Inquiring minds want to know.

"bad s*** happens in max. security prisons and always will." That's why they call it Jail not Yale! Getting shanked could be totally unrelated to his innocence or guilt.

Frazier is a snitch and the whole trial was an embarrassment. People wanted someone to hang and the DA had to cover his a$$--

The last one grabbed me.
10/31/09 @ 5:46 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Ana,

It's no use. I think Buzz is scratching somewhere else.

Try the imaginary IGNORE BUTTON. It works wonders, but you must have the will power to not get sucked in to his hopeless delirium.
10/31/09 @ 5:49 pm
margebunny21 [Member] writes:
"The man ended up in the emergency room for a psychiatric evaluation, the source said."

Key phrase = "ended up"
Sometimes people use
expressions like that
to deliberately avoid
being precise.

I'd be very interested in knowing wether
he was lawfully detained(?) or went there voluntarily.

No shortage of
missing pieces here.
10/31/09 @ 5:51 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Again, the BS continues.
10/31/09 @ 5:56 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
to deliberately avoid
being precise. = Manipulation
10/31/09 @ 6:09 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
CC Today,

I read it. Here's what it said: "He was on life support for nearly two weeks before he died, the source said."

So I'm not sure where you got "your" information. But if you would, please address the "coverup"?

Margebunny.... good points. My issue here is with the reporting.... Did CC Today call the DA's office? Have they interviewed anyone or is this all just 2nd hand information like the time they had Ted Kennedy dead.... until they removed it from the site?
10/31/09 @ 6:11 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
crusader,

When backed up to the wall on BS... which is often, this is what she resorts to. She's being "discredited" impossible, you have no credibility.
10/31/09 @ 6:13 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Buzz, if you have such a problem with things here, go bother someone else with the scapegoat comments.
10/31/09 @ 6:16 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Oh Anna, I would but then I'd miss out on your wonderful photo essays... how exciting:)
10/31/09 @ 6:17 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
It's Ana....
10/31/09 @ 6:18 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Correction:

Oh Ana, I would but then I'd miss out on your wonderful photo essays... how exciting:)
10/31/09 @ 6:19 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
And thank you, I work very hard to make them enjoyable.
10/31/09 @ 6:28 pm
possee [Member] writes:
A small town supposed coverup creates such an uproar.
Oh wait,that couldn't happen with transparency as
SEIU is the union at Cape Cod Hospital.


possee
10/31/09 @ 6:42 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
We need a new DA. My vote is for Peter Walker. Probably wouldn't want the job.
He would have to put up with a large population of a$$holes. The residents of Cape Cod.

Now I know why we have so few legitimate candidates.
10/31/09 @ 6:55 pm
possee [Member] writes:
maverick

What was the meaning of your comment regarding Alexa ratings?
Were you being facetious?

We never went fishing this summer.
Perhaps you'd sell a striped bass filet?

possee
10/31/09 @ 6:57 pm
possee [Member] writes:
No wonder I keep buying more tissue at S&S lately...
Thanx for the reason why, mav

possee
10/31/09 @ 7:36 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
IGNORE BUTTON has been disengaged temporarily for the annoying mcfly--

What's the matter mcfly, worried that MO will be going to a permanent vacation in Florida, on the golf course, hanging with his buddies during winter break? You know, those darling members of the BPD who have been following my incredulous behavior on the blogs since 05', because I am so full of it! NOT!
10/31/09 @ 7:50 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
possee..."What was the meaning of your comment regarding Alexa ratings?
Were you being facetious?"

Not at all. Alexa ratings tell how much traffic a site has. The lower the number the higher the traffic.

CCToday has a great number. And I congratulate them.

PS...possee, I never know when I will fish. We make decisions at night based upon the 4:00 PM offshore forecast.

The best time for you and your son to go is between mid June and mid August.

Tell me when and we will go. My treat. You have to understand that during that period I usually do two trips a day. Up at 5:00 AM and in bed at 8:00 PM. Long day.
10/31/09 @ 7:56 pm
bopo [Member] writes:
O keefe's career is OVER!!!former supporter bopo
10/31/09 @ 8:07 pm
margebunny21 [Member] writes:
Thank You Buzz.

RE: O'Keefe-

I watched a 3min video of him once and
this guy said "uh" something short of
50 times! And this was 3 minutes!

O'Keefe is the GRAND "Wizard of uhs".

Must be nice to have a job where
you don't worry about your image too much.
10/31/09 @ 8:07 pm
bopo [Member] writes:
Can we get some facts from the Bourne hush-a-bye? Sounds like it'll be fun, as well.
10/31/09 @ 8:33 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"Frazier is a snitch and the whole trial was an embarrassment. People wanted someone to hang and the DA had to cover his a$$--"
That one is as obvious as 9/11 was an inside job.
And STILL he sits in that prison cell, and STILL whoever did it walks free.
That dirt is on Coakley's hands too, as she ignored each and every complaint about the DA.Hope she doesn't win...yuk.

And buzz---maverick said this:"He would have to put up with a large population of a$$holes. The residents of Cape Cod.".....
WHEN are you going to reprimand him???

And honest to god, if anyone was to make a movie about Trick-or-Treating, they could come down our street! I swear, the traffic is bumper-to-bumper out there!
And gramma got lots of candy!
Best costume? A big ole home-made SpongeBob.
10/31/09 @ 8:35 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Bourne hush-a-bye?
10/31/09 @ 8:37 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
What are we dealing with here, a moe, larry and curly?
10/31/09 @ 8:42 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Facts? You need facts? They don't deal with facts, just what they want to tell you, bopo.

"Reilly declined to say more, citing medical privacy laws", in other words...time to lawyer up!

"On Oct. 9, a 35-year-old man came to visit his wife in the hospital, according to sources(same sources who beat the crap out of him?) He had been caught on a video camera driving erratically. Once inside the hospital, he acted irrationally, the source said".

Bet they won't lose THAT VIDEO TAPE, it's not Falmouth you know, it's BarnsStable, convenient(hurry, we've got to say something, if we can't fabricate,manipulate, then make something up, damn it!)

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091031/NEWS11/910319992

Can we have the name of the deceased husband, wife who is hopefully still among the living? How about those security officers, where'd they get their fabulous training? Same Mario Andretti driving school cops go?

Now mcfly is questioning the editor of CCToday--brilliant mcfly. Have you been a major contributor to the DA's campaign over the past 5+ years & counting?
10/31/09 @ 8:49 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Cru, I can't read the article, it makes me sick to my stomach and I have an iron stomach. Especially, how they throw in the sympathy ploy.... I noticed that right away, that hospital needs to be CLOSED DOWN!
10/31/09 @ 8:52 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Time to take out the TRASH!
10/31/09 @ 8:56 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Ana,

"What are we dealing with here, a moe, larry and curly"?---no, no, Nannette, my dear blogette, that would be far to simple. It's all a stage and would be considered award winning performances if it wasn't so disturbing. They've got their own set of rules you know, and anyone who dares question them, forgit bout it.

It's one thing to have a wife undergoing psychiatric treatment, but they claim that they've got the husband driving erratically in the hospital parking lot? Wow, that was a quick discovery, somehow the Reine tape capturing him slashing tires of a Walmart employee's car mysteriously gets hijacked/damaged...but this tape has got proof that the husband was a deranged maniac on the brink of homicide? So the terrorized hospital employees should be adorned with awards for their heroic efforts? Well, that's until the defense lawyers get a hold of them. Does Mr. Mugar know what is going on at CCH? I mean, since he's a dedicated donor and all, maybe someone should let him know. When the lawsuits start piling up, it's time to start donating again. Oh, well.
10/31/09 @ 8:58 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Where are the video tapes of them mocking the patients and laughing at their distress and watching them undress in their rooms?
10/31/09 @ 9:00 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
I'd like to see all that proof surface.
10/31/09 @ 9:12 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Ana,

I worked there for one week and quit. It was like being dropped into a Jerry Springer Show. I met one nice woman out of 30 insolent employees who were impossible to work with--union. I have no clue why the stupid manager hired me. She begged me not to quit, but it was one of the worst places I had every witnessed. If JACHO ever saw even a fraction of what goes on there, they would be cited, at the very least..everything from insubordination, disrespect to co-workers, not answering phones (one employee threatened me if I picked up, rang over 16 times)medical records thrown all over the place, horded by one highly unmanageable doctor. It was a real freak show. I went to HR to complain. They took their side, but said they would like me to consider other jobs in the future and I would hear from them. They later admitted, the practice had outgrown the facility. But that was the least of their problems! That's when I ended up with the skirt chasing builder, nutty client Flook and that madness. Never had I met so many crazies, egomaniacs, who lack common decency. It really was nutso.
10/31/09 @ 9:13 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
The Title should read Cover-UPS
10/31/09 @ 9:15 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Cru, one last thing, they need to discredit any available sources, to cover their A$$'s.
10/31/09 @ 9:18 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
I've worked in the medical profession myself and left when I was 21 years of age. They forget that the patients are human beings.
10/31/09 @ 9:30 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Well, of course Ana. Why do you think McFly works overtime to keep me from posting? Every time I open up my blog mouth he comes along with his Mcfly steamroller. I assure you, I am quite sane & credible, so are the other few 100 former residents who have also fled the Cape because of the obvious shenanigans perpetuated upon innocents who once thought Cape Cod is beyond perfection. I did too, then I had to enlist in some of these crazy jail cells they call jobs. Not all people were bad to work with, but those that were, were bad to the bone. One very nice mason I worked with in Wellfleet tried to warn me once, he said, "you be careful down here young lady, we have the highest rate of divorce, unemployment, drug abuse, alcoholism and other things I won't mention. I don't want to see you get hurt. You are pure as the driven snow. Stay that way". I'll never forget those words, Ana, and I have no reason to lie. There are too many questionable stories for one to feel at ease living there. I guess it's okay if you have your own friends & families, but for newcomers--not an easy place.
10/31/09 @ 9:39 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Medical profession is worse now Ana, I was there too, for over 10 years..now it's a place transformed into corporate health care seeking only profits for patients. I've been dealing with my mother's issues for over two months and almost everyday was a battle ground to get her the adequate care. Not like it use to be, that's for sure. Just another big corporation, as told by the exec from CIGNA who was on Bill Moyers weeks ago.

I will be interesting how they follow this up with CCH.
10/31/09 @ 9:59 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru says: "Have you been a major contributor to the DA's campaign over the past 5+ years & counting? "

The answer cru is... no. But if you'd like to believe in your twisted little way that I have... knock yourself out.

My response to this blog has nothing to do with O'keefe, it has to do with the "reporting" of this story.

If you'd like my opinion on O'Keefe, I think he's had serious laps of judgement and I would like to see him go. How's that? I've written several times right here about the stolen guns and would like to see some answers.

I just happen to question Walter's judgement saying there is a "coverup" when he show's no such evidence of a coverup.
10/31/09 @ 10:04 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
"You are pure as the driven snow. Stay that way". I'll never forget those words, Ana, and I have no reason to lie. "

God Lord, I think I'm about to loose my Halloween candy....... barf!
10/31/09 @ 10:31 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Not in this general direction please.
10/31/09 @ 10:32 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
You got that right, pure!
10/31/09 @ 10:33 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey Ana,

See what I mean? You wonder if he's got a part-time job working as a stalker. Maybe he was at CCH filming the alleged disgruntled husband who wanted to see if his wife was alright. Wait until the Mental Health Agencies get in their face about this situation. Patients have rights, so do their family members. Did this guy come in with a gun, a knife, previous arrest record--wonder what they will dig up on the guy, just like the rest when they've got nothing on them, but must clean up their own disasters. Was it two guys that put him in a head lock? Where do the security officers get their training? If he was so dangerous, don't they have rooms they can lock them in until the cops arrive? Maybe they should have an on duty cop there 24/7. But I don't see that one was warranted in this case. They are doing all they can to not let the real story out. Where is the wife's family, or deceased husband's family? BTW, where is Dr. Gryboski these days? Has she set up shop once again at CCH? There's another weird story-you want to talk about DA's guns missing? Wasn't it around this time?
10/31/09 @ 10:34 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
I don't play with external games.
10/31/09 @ 10:37 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Cru, C O R R U P T I O N! One word.

It's only a matter of time before it implodes on itself.
10/31/09 @ 10:40 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Should be an interesting read when everything comes out. I'd advise holding off judgement, as both sides have some Juice depending on if the facts fall this way or the other.

I had to deal with restraint constantly when I was teaching, both before and after I was trained to do so. I've refused jobs where children were hurt as part of the design (see Judge Rottenberg Center), and I've held students down against their will with no remorse on my part whatsoever.

I was utilizing restraint in a school environment, had undertaken extensive training in psychology, was entirely familiar with the student being restrained, and 100% of the time was doing so just to prevent imminent violence... violence of a far worse nature than me getting some 9th grader in a double arm bar until the police arrived.

10/31/09 @ 10:43 pm
nicyou [Member] writes:
This 35 year old gentleman was visiting his wife, a patient, at CCH. No doubt he was upset and anxious with his wife's situation. This gentleman's status changed from visitor, to ER patient, which I doubt was a decision he made of his own accord. He must have been absolutely terrified of the ER to bolt from that department and tried to escape CCH from the Mugar Building exit. Terrified to, I am certain, of being choked to death (not a pretty sight to see when a man is gasping for air) and then lingering on life support for days in the ICU for good measure. The gentleman had no weapons. I feel particularly sad for his wife, and family, for their lose. My thoughts and prayers are with his family. This should never have happened and I am horrified that it transpired. I believe the timing with the MGH scenario (which included a doctor being stabbed by a patient; and the patient was ultimately shot to death by an off duty security officer) made CCH feel comfortable downplaying their own situation. As they say, timing is everything. CCH wanted to get all of their i's dotted and t's crossed
10/31/09 @ 10:44 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Mcfly,

You threw up your MILK-DUDS? Well, maybe if you had more who worried about being LIFE SAVERS, you wouldn't have to keep handing out those undeserved PAYDAYS!

How many times must I go over this with you?--

I don't care what you write because nobody pays attention to your hateful remarks addressed to me or your many empty comments. Get over it. I know it's tough when I come on here and you can't deal with the competition. What can I say? I'm likable, I can make friends easily, I'm adored by those who care about me, I have a great sense of self and I know who I am and what I want out of life. I will always stand firm on what I believe in, not be persuaded or bought by anyone. Those are just some of the ABC's about me. If you don't like it--get lost. When the truth finally comes out and you are still on here, I hope you will have the guts to tell everyone how wrong you were. Using just one of the many questionable wrongdoings by your DA is useless. I actually believe that much of this goes in other directions and he is forced to always take the fall, but his choice.
10/31/09 @ 10:44 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
There is proper restraint and there is abuse. Big difference there.
10/31/09 @ 10:48 pm
nicyou [Member] writes:
before it was announced to the public. Because MGH had gone public, CCH knew they, too, eventually, would have to follow suit. Employees at CCH get hurt at work but CCH never wants to assume any liability for those injuries. Their modus operandi is denying workmens' compensation claims. I find it fascinating that the article alludes to several employees being injured by this gentleman. This is not the norm at CCH when injuries do occur the paperwork is always shuffled, which makes me realize there is a lot more to this story than CCH wants the public to know. By mentioning that several employees were, purportedly, hurt they are attempting to validate the reason behind this tragedy. I feel dreadful that this gentleman was subjected to such a cruel and unnecessary death. He posed no threat, he just wanted to leave the hospital. Sad state of affairs all the way around. I remember a quote Walter Cronkite made: "The American healthcare system is neither healthy, caring, nor a system."

Inappropriate
Oct. 31, 2009 10:08pm EDT | from NICYOU
10/31/09 @ 10:48 pm
nicyou [Member] writes:
before it was announced to the public. Because MGH had gone public, CCH knew they, too, eventually, would have to follow suit. Employees at CCH get hurt at work but CCH never wants to assume any liability for those injuries. Their modus operandi is denying workmens' compensation claims. I find it fascinating that the article alludes to several employees being injured by this gentleman. This is not the norm at CCH when injuries do occur the paperwork is always shuffled, which makes me realize there is a lot more to this story than CCH wants the public to know. By mentioning that several employees were, purportedly, hurt they are attempting to validate the reason behind this tragedy. I feel dreadful that this gentleman was subjected to such a cruel and unnecessary death. He posed no threat, he just wanted to leave the hospital. Sad state of affairs all the way around. I remember a quote Walter Cronkite made: "The American healthcare system is neither healthy, caring, nor a system."

Inappropriate
Oct. 31, 2009 10:08pm EDT | from NICYOU
10/31/09 @ 10:48 pm
nicyou [Member] writes:
before it was announced to the public. Because MGH had gone public, CCH knew they, too, eventually, would have to follow suit. Employees at CCH get hurt at work but CCH never wants to assume any liability for those injuries. Their modus operandi is denying workmens' compensation claims. I find it fascinating that the article alludes to several employees being injured by this gentleman. This is not the norm at CCH when injuries do occur the paperwork is always shuffled, which makes me realize there is a lot more to this story than CCH wants the public to know. By mentioning that several employees were, purportedly, hurt they are attempting to validate the reason behind this tragedy. I feel dreadful that this gentleman was subjected to such a cruel and unnecessary death. He posed no threat, he just wanted to leave the hospital. Sad state of affairs all the way around. I remember a quote Walter Cronkite made: "The American healthcare system is neither healthy, caring, nor a system."

Inappropriate
Oct. 31, 2009 10:08pm EDT | from NICYOU
10/31/09 @ 10:54 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
As I stated before, close it DOWN!
10/31/09 @ 10:54 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
That said, I'm troubled by what I read in this story.

The cops didn't drag him in, and it doesn't look like he got any sort of extensive psychological examination.

I had days of restraint training, and we never learned chokes. In fact, we were trained to avoid the head and throat. Once you know what you're doing, it's more fun twisting an arm anyway.

Making a guess on 3 paragraphs of info is bad but fun to do, so let's play...

- Dude shows up at the hospital, and is obviously out of his mind.

- He is kept against his will without either a policeman or a doctor present.

- He is most likely being watched by the biggest male nurse, an hourly employee with limited restraint training.

- The hospital is afraid to let the guy go out onto the streets, perhaps in his vehicle. They see an imminent threat.

- Dude puts 2+2 together, decides to run for it, and manages to get past the nurse. The nurse can only restrain him via a choke hold.

- If they let him go, someone may die. Instead, they keep him, and someone DOES die. "We had to destroy this village to save it."
10/31/09 @ 10:57 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
How many more victims will it take???
10/31/09 @ 10:59 pm
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
1? 2? maybe 3?
10/31/09 @ 11:11 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Monpo,

I agree with some of what you stated, esp. with regard to not using a choke hold. I use to interview patients in the ER for admission. We always had security, generally two guards at all times if there were valid concerns about the possibility of a patient becoming volatile or dangerous.

We don't know that is true about the now deceased husband. Dead men can't tell the story. If he posed an eminent threat to staff, visitors & other patients, a well trained staff( seasoned ER nurse is all it takes)in minutes, would have been right on it, BPD is how far from that ER? I know the roads, it's got to be less than one mile. Someone screwed up. As things became escalated, they probably panicked, so did the man who is now dead. What I would like to know is--where are the family members of this man and wife, why have they not given their statement to the press? This is a very serious situation that will no doubt impact the hospital and maybe innocent parties who may take the fall. Every hospital has a nursing supervisor who does rounds on every shift. This was his/her call.
10/31/09 @ 11:11 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Between cops, schools, and hospitals, it isn't unusual to see someone die ina restraint hold. Sh*t, look at MMA... when you REALLY want to f*ck someone up, you use chokes and arm breakers.

While I have no figures handy, I'd bet that the number one cause of deaths in street fighting (sans weaponry) is blunt force trauma to the dome. I'd bet number two is via strangleholds.

I'm sure a similar scene may have been enacted ecently at some bar somewhere... a man was going for his car who was in no condition to operate it. Someone intervened. Someone got hurt.

Balance it off against society's "need" to keep certain people away from the general population. Eliminating the whole mental health system puts genuinely dangerous people on the street, or puts not so harmful people in jail.
10/31/09 @ 11:38 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
So far, no one has validated the allegations this man posed a threat to the population--either inside or outside the hospital.

The claim of a video tape displaying his "erratic driving", within the hospital parking lot, could be attributed to his overwhelming concern for his wife. Did she call to say, "get me outta here", or was there a restraining order in place and he was not allowed to see her?

Regardless, this was a senseless death of a family member trying to visit his wife. It needs to be properly investigated by an independent team and not the old stand by..."Cape and Islands DA office". They have already shown in many other cases their disregard for the truth and fairness in their investigations. It always comes down to the same thing--who was involved, who are they connected to, who is being protected, who can take the fall, who can they get to hang for this one, and this is gonna cost ya. Just a different story, with the same ending. Enablers, those they protect and those who get thrown under the bus once again. SAD.
11/01/09 @ 12:23 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
"disregard for the truth"
The truth is profane! I will fight for my right.
11/01/09 @ 12:27 am
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Instead of the biggest nurse who strangles people the best, they should have had the fastest nurse watching him... and, when he went for his car, they should have just beat him to it and slashed his tires.

Granted, that would have cost them some money. Having a crackhead or an undiagnosed, unmedicated schizophrenic die in the choke hold of one of their employees will cost them some BIG money...even if they win every lawsuit.

It was fairly clear when I was teaching.. you want to have a DAMNED good reason for putting your hands on a student. The same should be true in a hospital.
11/01/09 @ 2:31 am
Peter Walker [Member] writes:
Jack, just got back from a wicked pissa Halloween party.

If you don't have the time, I will explain the difference between a Fairy Tale and a Sea Story, somehow I think you could do it more justice.

Stay vigilant my friend.
11/01/09 @ 7:50 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru says: "no one has validated the allegations this man posed a threat to the population"

What does that mean? Several hospital employees were hurt during the scuffle. There is an ongoing investigation. Would you prefer for him to "hurt" the population then react? This is a hospital setting, what happened is tragic. Why not wait to hear the facts and then make your conspiracy conclusions?
11/01/09 @ 9:49 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru,

Go ahead, attack me for challenging the brevity of your claims. You want to be civil? Let's start with your claim... ""no one has validated the allegations this man posed a threat to the population"

Let's have a discussion here cru, what information do you have that "no one has validated the allegations"? Did you read it somewhere? Did a "freind" of yours tell you that? You made a claim and all's I'm asking for is for you to back that claim up. Can you do it? If you can't, then your just spreading rumors and you have no credibility.

Now you can attack me and call me names, or you can prove yourself... your call. Do I sense the "ignore button"?
11/01/09 @ 10:19 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Other comments (Boston Herald)
Didn't follow protocols!

"This case is NOTHING like the Reading shooting. Here, hospital goons MURDERED this poor guy -- put him in a choke hold and cut off his air, leaving him brain dead. All he was doing was trying to leave the hospital. Hospital staff have NO RIGHT to restrain or even touch someone without their consent. These "security" guys should be jailed and the hospital will need to pay for the long-term care and maintenance of this man's two young children who now have no father, thanks to the great care their dad got at Cape Cod Hospital".

"Wow, people actually listen to wxtk, i am shocked. Most gawdawful station on the cape".

"There's more to this than meets the eye".

"Read the story on different sites and
you will see sooo many variations..."

"Hey folks get a grip: if you want to pull a rant and people are getting paid to stop rants; you may die"!

"This is like saying they shot him in the head and he died from internal bleeding".

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1208684&format=comments#CommentsArea
11/01/09 @ 10:44 am
crusader [Member] writes:
"A spokesman for the Ryan family said yesterday they have hired an attorney, Kerry Choi, of Barron & Stadfeld in Boston. Choi did not return a phone call seeking comment yesterday.

Since the incident, Ryan's wife has been released from the hospital, according to sources, but she could not be reached for comment yesterday".

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091101/NEWS/911010333/-1/NEWS11
11/01/09 @ 10:58 am
crusader [Member] writes:
"no one has validated the allegations this man posed a threat to the population"...only witnesses of Cape Cod Hospital Staff? That is biased. What employee would go against their employer on this case, esp. during tough economic times.

Get a grip. I'm happy to see the family has retained an attorney. Maybe the lawyer will get some REAL answers.

Regardless of what behaviors this man may have been exhibiting at the hospital--FACT REMAINS--He had no weapons posing any real threat to the staff. They took it upon themselves to restrain this man with obvious extreme measures resulting in a senseless death. If he showed up with a gun or a knife, that's one thing, but just because he wanted to see his wife, does not give them the right to choke hold a family member of a patient...for HEAVEN's SAKES!! Are you that ignorant, Mcfly!

There are very strict procedures & policies that are implemented to avoid this type of situation. I worked in a healthcare for 10 years. I have witnessed disorderly patients & visitors. This is not how it gets handled. Rude awakenings for CCH & DUMB residents!
11/01/09 @ 11:15 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
He was a witness.
11/01/09 @ 11:16 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
No witness, no evidence, therefore no preservation.
11/01/09 @ 11:28 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Ana,

Even if there are witnesses to the contrary, you see how quickly they are silenced, forced out, discredited, labeled as "crazies", whatever means it takes to put the lid on it. Evidence can easily be disposed of and replaced with other phony evidence.

Good of Walter to put this story out there early on. Always better to have it in the public eye as soon as possible--less chance of continual fabrications of crucial details. I think it's going to be an uphill battle for that Boston lawyer, though, unless someone among the staff are willing to come forward with the truth about what really happened. Will they identify the staff involved? Security guards and nurses who were present during the incident? Or are have they been ordered to not speak to the press as in other cases?
11/01/09 @ 11:35 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
Even in the face of ascending ruin,
does silence speak and present itself,
so well in beauty.
An Extended Reach by ©Ana Paulina 2009


The Truth! "you see how quickly they are silenced, forced out, discredited, labeled as "crazies", whatever means it takes to put the lid on it. Evidence can easily be disposed of and replaced with other phony evidence."
11/01/09 @ 11:36 am
Ana Paulina [Member] writes:
They did the same thing to Jesus.
11/01/09 @ 1:31 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
They had Jesus on camera weaving his car through the parking lot.
11/01/09 @ 1:50 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Cape Cod Today,

Is this what its come too on this site? Now we have the most inaccurate blogger here posting "comments" from another newspapers blogs? How pathetic.

She still can't and won't answer a simple question... how predictable, now the hospital employees are the victims.... cru you're laughable.
11/01/09 @ 2:00 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
If you don't think that hospitals have a problem with violent patients... read this:

http://www.massnurses.org/health-and-safety/articles/workplace-violence/p/openItem/1502
11/01/09 @ 2:03 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Preventing Restraint Deaths-Suggested Strategies for Reducing Risk

The Joint Commission (JACHO)& org's that experienced restraint deaths offered the following suggestions for preventing & reducing restraint deaths. ....believes that these strategies help to reduce risk, and it plans to investigate them more fully in the future.

* Redouble efforts to reduce the use of physical restraint and therapeutic hold through the use of risk assessment and early intervention with less restrictive measures.

* Revise procedures for assessing the medical condition of psychiatric patients.

* Enhance staff orientation/education regarding alternatives to physical restraints and proper application of restraints or therapeutic holding.

* Consider age, sex and gender of patients when setting therapeutic hold policies.

* Revise the staffing model.

* Develop structured procedures for consistent application of restraints.

* Continuously observe any patient that is restrained.

http://www.jointcommission.org/SentinelEvents/SentinelEventAlert/sea_8
11/01/09 @ 3:03 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/21486094/detail.html

and comments....
11/01/09 @ 3:47 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
CC Today and cru,

Now that the DA's been accused of a coverup, the hospital is accused and convicted... do you have any comment on the latest news?

From the CC Times... breaking news: "HYANNIS – Cape Cod Hospital is denying broadcast reports that a patient who died three weeks after being subdued by security guards was put in a chokehold.

“The hospital’s review of this matter to date shows no deviation from established restraint protocols,” Cape Cod Healthcare spokesman David Reilly said in a prepared statement.

11/01/09 @ 4:31 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
We're only hearing ONE SIDE OF THE STORY.

The family & their attorney are NOT PROVIDING A STATEMENT TO THE PRESS.

I'm sure it's all to their benefit that they do so, since they must be well prepared to deal w/this matter.

So, how did this guy end up on life support? Did he do this to himself? What then Mcfly?

Since you think you qualify to provide all the answers, I suggest you march your fat fannie down to the DA's office tomorrow with your pen & pad, & conduct your own lame interview. Good luck if you can find him or get him to say three words. Others have tried & failed on more than one occasion. How about one of those empty pointed press conferences he's so good at..."the driver had a marijuana cigarette hanging out of his mouth".....forgot to mention his home was burglarized after the "high speed chase" on a tiny road. Whatever floats your boat!

The family & their attorney will get to the bottom of this matter. The fact that the hospital feels the need to continually update, is a sign they are trying to make this go away, just like the rest of the ugly stories.


11/01/09 @ 4:39 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
I'm a bit confused about this one fact--the guy's age. At 59, could he overpower several or more staff members, causing minor bodily injury as claimed? It would be interesting to know his state of physical health and that of the security guards.

"David J. Ryan, 59, of Mashpee, died Thursday after being on life support at Cape Cod Hospital for three weeks following the Oct. 9 altercation".
11/01/09 @ 4:40 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091101/NEWS11/911019980 (source of above quote)
11/01/09 @ 5:01 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
As in the case with the "high speed" chase, I would hope that if they conclude there could have been preventative measures taken to avoid the tragic death of the CCH patient, that would be a positive step in the right direction.

Just as a side note, (McFly will persist), I would like to share an excerpt from the CCTimes about new polices that would be considered--"On Nov. 18, the council voted to form a committee, which studied policies in police departments across the country.

In Boston, the policy states: "Firearms shall not be discharged at a moving or fleeing vehicle unless the officer or another person is currently being threatened with deadly force by means other than the moving vehicle (emphasis added). The moving vehicle itself shall not constitute the threatened use of deadly force. Therefore, officers shall move out of the path of any oncoming vehicle instead of discharging a firearm at it or any of its occupants."

Boston changed its policy about seven years ago.." (For safety's sake, change the policy-CCTimes, opinion)

11/01/09 @ 5:08 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
McScru,

You're a "bit confused"? How can that be?

Then tell us how you knew... "no one has validated the allegations this man posed a threat to the population"

Still waiting.... crickets.... on how you knew that?
11/01/09 @ 5:32 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Some report the guy is 35, others have him as 59, so which is it?

Why doesn't CCTIMES report an accurate news article in the first place? Could it be that the "sources" don't wish to elaborate? Maybe it's not the journalists after all. I mean, they are only as good as their sources, right? No sources, no story.

Spin it anyway you like, McFly--it still leaves the most important question UNANSWERED:

How did a 59 year old man die at CCH while trying to visit his wife, ends up in the ER (according to UNNAMED SOURCES stress UNNAMED), then a respirator for nearly 3 weeks in ICU without so much as a story until much later, like after he's dead. Bet they were hoping he'd come out of it to avoid this fiasco.

It's obvious to everyone here, you will continue to condone any and all suspect behavior from Cape officials, business owners, connected drug snitches, corporations--just give them all a free pass. It will be you that will be the laughing stock, not I. Don't be so blind. Try to differentiate the Cape scrub pine from the other prickly inhabitants. You might just learn something.
11/01/09 @ 5:34 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru says: "I would hope that if they conclude there could have been preventative measures taken to avoid the tragic death of the CCH patient, that would be a positive step in the right direction." Thanks for your wisdom here cru, I'm sure the hospital never though about "preventative measures". Maybe they can include you when they write the new rules.

Here's what the hospital had to say:
“The hospital’s review of this matter to date shows no deviation from established restraint protocols,”
11/01/09 @ 5:37 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
--It's obvious to everyone here, you will continue to condone any and all suspect behavior from Cape officials, business owners, connected drug snitches, corporations--just give them all a free pass. It will be you that will be the laughing stock, not I. Don't be so blind. Try to differentiate the Cape scrub pine from the other prickly inhabitants. You might just learn something.--

Ah yes, the definative "I'm not the crazy one, the rest of you are!"
11/01/09 @ 5:38 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
McScru,

I'm spinning it? Could you pleazzzzze, for just once tell us where you got your information about the " no validated threat" allegation... please? If not for me, how about for the family of the victim and their attorney who would benefit from such information?

You can call me McFly, accuse me of being mean spirited or trying to discredit you.... but don't ever accuse me of the falsehoods you constantly put forth.
11/01/09 @ 5:56 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey McFly, I see you've teamed up with homely hatefest --no doubt, both were very much a part of CCTimes forums that got shut down and your lame attempt at damage control, containment. Censorship reins! Just keep telling everyone that it's Mayberry, they'll get over it.

I'm the crazy one? Ha!..they can try to make me crazy, but it just won't work, homely. So sorry that some just can't tolerate that I continue to post. Maybe they should grow up and develop some stamina, even an ego if they can create one, maybe drop the booze and the psycho pharm. Bay Road, Harwich at the stop sign, join the private social hour and sleaze club.

Just keep those padlocks on the Truro skeletal closets. You just never know what might come crashing out.
11/01/09 @ 5:57 pm
karent2 [Member] writes:
Isn't it interesting that crusader has worked everywhere there is an incedent? And of course, due to
'confidentiality", she can't reveal any of the names of people that "know" what really goes on.

give it a rest already
11/01/09 @ 6:04 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"We need a new DA. My vote is for Peter Walker. Probably wouldn't want the job.
He would have to put up with a large population of a$$holes. The residents of Cape Cod".--THANKS MAV!

"Look at me, look at me, I'm not just a chicken$hit DA in a chicken$shit town, I'm a playa'....."O'Keefe said, "There were a number of other shortcomings that make up the willful, wanton, and reckless conduct." Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Please devote the next fifteen minutes to Mikes ego.

So did O'keefe tap Flook after they had dinner and allegedly discussed the case.
Inquiring minds want to know.

"bad s*** happens in max. security prisons and always will." That's why they call it Jail not Yale! Getting shanked could be totally unrelated to his innocence or guilt.

Frazier is a snitch and the whole trial was an embarrassment. People wanted someone to hang and the DA had to cover his a$$--Thanks WALKER!

"DA's office cover-up, those holding facilities should be investigated for patient abuse, I'm not surprised someone took matters into their own hands..."--Thanks ANA!
11/01/09 @ 6:18 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Interesting comment--homely

"...she can't reveal any of the names of people that "know" what really goes on".

WELL NEITHER CAN THE CCTIMES! Everyone who was involved with the so called homicidal dead man can't be named!

"...sources say....according to sources...." So who are the "sources" that the CCTIMES won't name. If they are so sure about the events that led up to this man's death, they would be named in the article. And but for the pure fact they are NOT leaves us to consider why? Maybe instead of your continual hatefest, why don't you and your partner in stalking crimes consider--

Who do you think will be paying for the lawsuits about to be filed?

$$$$-CHA-CHING...looks like they might have to tap more donors to keep the place alive...CCH will soon be needing some life support of its own, won't they?

Can your towns really afford these lawsuits being filed every time there is a case of obvious negligence?

Hopefully, the family attorney will have a statement in the news. The lame reporting and inconsistencies from CCH is rearing it's ugly head.
11/01/09 @ 6:30 pm
bopo [Member] writes:
obsessed or posessed? You two need a beer summit.
11/01/09 @ 6:30 pm
margebunny21 [Member] writes:
"DA's office cover-up, those holding facilities should be investigated for patient abuse, I'm not surprised someone took matters into their own hands..."--Thanks ANA!

You are presenting conjecture/hearsay
as established fact even after it has
been observed that multiple CONFLICTING
reports have been issued in this regard.

Weekly World News does this all the time.

Your posts are amusing, Crusader.
11/01/09 @ 6:43 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bopo,

How many articles does it take for you people to wake up to the fact that they don't want you to know the truth about what goes on down there?

I would like to see a list of the many lawsuits filed and won on behalf of those who have valid claims about the continued negligence which goes on.

So be it. Keep sweeping it under the carpet, just don't trip on it, on your way out.

11/01/09 @ 7:30 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Maybe the CC Times won't reveal "sources", but at least they don't make it up like you! Your gig's up cru.... everyone is on to you.
11/01/09 @ 7:51 pm
capedoggie [Member] writes:
BUZZ FOR PRESIDENT!!!
Will someone please hire this broad!!
Maybe an anonymus source.

Standing by
Dawg
11/01/09 @ 9:28 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
"Maybe the CC Times won't reveal "sources", but at least they don't make it up like you! Your gig's up cru.... everyone is on to you".

Yeah, that's why my blogs had a big following..because I'm so full of shit...okay, whatever you say. Why not start your own blog, since you have so much to say?

I'll be waiting for the families lawyer to make a statement, but maybe that won't happen until they force everyone into a court of law and make them testify to the events which lead to this man's untimely death. Knowing the way they handle things, "how much will it cost us to settle this out"....

You think you're smarter than me, Mcfly...just keep dreamin'....you've got a long way to go.

Hey flea mongrel,

Don't worry about the job search. I got a great job offer and I'm on my way, not that it's any of your damn business. Try to take care of yourself, if you know how.
11/02/09 @ 7:33 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
I believe your "blog followers" are there only to make corrections:) You may want to contact the family attorney and tell him what you know.... I'm sure he'll find it interesting.... maybe even call you as a witness. Who knows, maybe you and Manso can collaborate on a book... here's a working title: "No Validated Threat" ... author unknown.
11/02/09 @ 8:03 am
possee [Member] writes:
This is fast becoming "Capergate".

Where's Bernstein and Woodward?

possee
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