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Nantucket Sound is no Yellowstone?
02/08/06 · 7:41 am :: posted by Magical Eye
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been taken to task over his New York Times Op-Ed by pro wind advocates who attempt to spin down his passionate view of the Nantucket Sound to simply his property view and the property views of the rich. And they scorn his comparison of the Nantucket Sound to Yellowstone. Never mind that there are people all over the Cape and beyond who share his love and passion for the Nantucket Sound who are not rich and who do not have a view of it from their homes. And never mind that for some of us, the Nantucket Sound is our Yellowstone.
One such scornful op-ed letter appeared in the 2/03/06 edition of the Cape Cod Times entitled "Nantucket Sound is no Yellowstone". The writer states
"Nantucket Sound is a flat body of water surrounded by lots of other flat bodies of water, all the way to Europe. There's no island there to picnic on, no coral reefs or sunken ships to dive to, nothing. Period."
But a recent interview with Neil Good of Mashpee shows otherwise. Mr Good says
"The writer could not be more mistaken. People have been picnicking on Muskeget and Tuckernuck Islands for over one hundred years now. (See "Place Where Time Stopped' Tuckernuck Island: A Simple Paradise for Generations" )
"And perhaps he should consider joining one of the tour groups (Cape Cod Travel Guide, Nantucket Adventures, Explore Nantucket) that travel to the islands in the summer. He could look north towards Horseshoe Shoal and contemplate the new view should Cape Wind be built. No doubt it would be a memorable trip. In 1980 Muskeget Island was designated a National Natural Landmark by the National Park Service. That counts for something, doesn't it?"
"And the claim, "There are no sunken ships to dive to. Period." is well, full of holes. Over seventy ships have sunk in Nantucket Sound according to "Unfinished Voyages," John P. Fish's chronology of Northeast coast shipwrecks between the years 1606 and 1956. Only a few of the seventy-plus ships lost on Nantucket Sound have been raised or salvaged. The remaining wrecks are potentially eligible for listing on the National Register of Historic Places. One shipwreck, shown here on a 1777 British navigational chart, may have been a victim of the Revolutionary War. The ship went to the bottom just southwest of Horseshoe Shoal, in water about sixty feet deep. Chances are good some evidence is still there today. "
One has to wonder if the writer of "Nantucket Sound is no Yellowstone" and pro wind advocates would still state that the opposition to the wind farm is and always has been about the rich people's view and that the Nantucket is no Yellowstone.
Because to those of us who really love and treasure her, the Nantucket is the one who is rich. Rich in natural history. Rich in human history. And rich in exactly the same natural beauty as our other National Treasures.
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02/08/06 @ 2:05 pm
Yogi [Visitor] writes:
As long as they stay out of Jellystone, I'll be OK even if they put up a nuclear plant on top of a LNG tanker.
Anonymous [Visitor] writes:
Good thing the two islands off Nantucket are so close to where the wind farm is slated to be....oh, wait no they arn't. And i wonder how the view from those islands will be once they are underwater because of the burning of fossil fuels and resulting greenhouse effect. Maybe on the way to diving for the shipwrecks people can go to where the islands once were and see them as well.
Anonymous [Visitor] writes:
Keep trying - you'll come up with a good reason to block the wind farm. It's just a matter of time and effort.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Thanks for the encouragement Anony... I believe we will.
Avatar [Visitor] writes:
I came across some articles published in 2003 that called for wind farms on Davis Bank and another farm 10 miles south of nantucket. The proposals at that time called for 3000 MW of wind power around the Cape.
Are these sites any better than Nantucket sound? I think RKFs article mentioned he would support wind power if it was pushed further out to sea.
Are these sites any better than Nantucket sound? I think RKFs article mentioned he would support wind power if it was pushed further out to sea.
Avatar [Visitor] writes:
I found the story.
http://home.earthlink.net/~steveells/wind/index.html
It looks like the wind companies were in a goldrush mentality. Since winery dropped their plans maybe CapeWind could pick one of the other spots further out to sea..
http://home.earthlink.net/~steveells/wind/index.html
It looks like the wind companies were in a goldrush mentality. Since winery dropped their plans maybe CapeWind could pick one of the other spots further out to sea..
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Wow Avatar interesting link.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Avatar, doesn't the fact that Winergy abandoned its plans say something about the viability of those sites?
Unenrolled [Visitor] writes:
No, Jack - common sense doesn't enter into the discussion when it comes to wind farms. Don't you know yet, any site, any where, is better that the one selected. Too bad these folks are just catching up on the old news about Winergy.
They keep trying and trying, and still not a good reason not to proceed. At least they get an A for effort, if not for the strength of their position
They keep trying and trying, and still not a good reason not to proceed. At least they get an A for effort, if not for the strength of their position
Avatar [Visitor] writes:
Jack, Winergy still lists the sites on their web site. The sites have plenty of wind. I think Winegry did not really want to build the wind farm then. They are a small wind company. I think they just wanted to stake a claim. If the wind sites are good they should be offered to CapeWind.
The sites actually have more wind than Nantucket sound.
Does anyone know why Winergy backed out?
The sites actually have more wind than Nantucket sound.
Does anyone know why Winergy backed out?
Little Fish in a BIG Pond [Visitor] writes:
If you believe what they said they backed out because they listened to the public complaints. If there was another reason I don't know if they made it public.I once worked on a project to site a landfill. If you think siting a wind farm meets opposition you have no idea. But we proposed alternative sites and there was no way would could ignore public opinion simply because there was a "technically superior" site above the rest. But then again we were not a private company motivated by the cost effective advantage of one site versus another. The fact that Jim Gordon has not backed down from this site only proves he cares less for what the people will accept and more for what makes dollars and cents. But this is a guy that wants you to believe that he's doing this as a service to people. Yeah right! If he believes in it so much and if he claims that it will bring advancement for the future pick a more challenging site. We choose to go to the moon in this decade not because it is easy, but because it is HARD. That was the American way remember? Calm seas do not make the best sailors.
Barbara Durkin [Visitor] writes:
Avatar:
I don't know exactly why Winergy backed out, although I was told by Attorney Seth Kaplan of Conservation Law Foundation that Winergy was a company that could not taken seriously.
I don't know exactly why Winergy backed out, although I was told by Attorney Seth Kaplan of Conservation Law Foundation that Winergy was a company that could not taken seriously.
Barbara Durkin [Visitor] writes:
Peter:
I agree with your observations about Neil Good. He is a brilliant maritime expert, and I would add, "historian."
I had the pleasure of working with Neil at the Barnstable County Fair at the Alliance booth this past summer. Greenpeace had a booth across from ours, and a makeshift wind tower outside of the tent was said by Greenpeace to be powering the tent. Neil and I followed the electrical cord from the wind tower to the tent and discovered that it was unplugged on the tent end.
Neil took photographs of the wiring set up that Greepeace had represented as a source of power, and posted this evidence on his Counter Wind Cape Blog.
I imagine that his post regarding the Greenpeace incident can still found on Counter Wind.
While Neil Good should be taken seriously, I offer that Greenpeace has demonstrated that they should not be.
I agree with your observations about Neil Good. He is a brilliant maritime expert, and I would add, "historian."
I had the pleasure of working with Neil at the Barnstable County Fair at the Alliance booth this past summer. Greenpeace had a booth across from ours, and a makeshift wind tower outside of the tent was said by Greenpeace to be powering the tent. Neil and I followed the electrical cord from the wind tower to the tent and discovered that it was unplugged on the tent end.
Neil took photographs of the wiring set up that Greepeace had represented as a source of power, and posted this evidence on his Counter Wind Cape Blog.
I imagine that his post regarding the Greenpeace incident can still found on Counter Wind.
While Neil Good should be taken seriously, I offer that Greenpeace has demonstrated that they should not be.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Little Fish, you hit the nail right on the head. Public opinion means nothing to Cape Wind it is the buck, no question about it. but yes, at the same time they position themselves as the Cape's savior. Disgusting.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Barb and All,
I now have an additional blog site at http://www.magicaleye.blogspot.com
My hope is to continue with some of the ideas we have had here that are not appropriate for this site like guest bloggers etc. I also have the option to delete certain comments (which I would only exercise in extreme circumstances), link to other sites and have all commenters registered, so no more anonymous. :)
I now have an additional blog site at http://www.magicaleye.blogspot.com
My hope is to continue with some of the ideas we have had here that are not appropriate for this site like guest bloggers etc. I also have the option to delete certain comments (which I would only exercise in extreme circumstances), link to other sites and have all commenters registered, so no more anonymous. :)
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Barb! What a not so surprising story about Greenpeace. To bad that didn't make the papers exposing them for their fruad.
Anonymous [Visitor] writes:
RE: "Winergy"... Wouldn't surprise me a bit if it came to light they were a schill secretly funded by the (hint - hint) d'Alliance with only one mission...
To stir the pot... To confuse the uninformed / unsuspecting with a "terrifying" concept of wind farms popping up out of the water... "Everywhere!" - Technologically practial or not.
Which in fact they did... For a short while till it became obvious they were a for all intents - a spook!
Personally... I think wind turbines should be much closer to land as well so we can embrace them regularly - much like 'tree huggers' and bird paramours.
To stir the pot... To confuse the uninformed / unsuspecting with a "terrifying" concept of wind farms popping up out of the water... "Everywhere!" - Technologically practial or not.
Which in fact they did... For a short while till it became obvious they were a for all intents - a spook!
Personally... I think wind turbines should be much closer to land as well so we can embrace them regularly - much like 'tree huggers' and bird paramours.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Personally Anonymous, we wouldn't be at all surprised if you were a schill secretly funded by Cape Wind or Clean Power Now. Now would we people?
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Opps... Thought my ID was already in the box! Not to fear girls - It is me that offered the "Winergy"... 'mission...'
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Ah ha Peckham should have known and now my comment "we wouldn't be at all surprised if you were a schill secretly funded by Cape Wind or Clean Power Now. Now would we people?" really does seem to apply! :)
Barbara Durkin [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
You have a second, I heartily endorse your theory regarding one Cape Wind schill. Great comeback, too, Magical, anonymous left itself wide open.
If Cape Wind is not just a nightmare, and Jim Gordon as private developer is allowed to construct these monsters, we will have that OTHER opportunity to capture regarding the precedent that Cape Wind would set, Magical. Keep in mind our plan to partner as private developers if Cape Wind paves the way. Housing units on pilings would respond to the demands of people like anonymous, who shares his/her desire with us to "embrace them."
In a dreadful case scenario, Cape Wind being permitted would set the stage for all types of development in Nantucket Sound, with limitations provided by our imaginations.
And, Magical, The Greenpeace incident at the Barnstable County Fair should have been exposed, you're right.
You have a second, I heartily endorse your theory regarding one Cape Wind schill. Great comeback, too, Magical, anonymous left itself wide open.
If Cape Wind is not just a nightmare, and Jim Gordon as private developer is allowed to construct these monsters, we will have that OTHER opportunity to capture regarding the precedent that Cape Wind would set, Magical. Keep in mind our plan to partner as private developers if Cape Wind paves the way. Housing units on pilings would respond to the demands of people like anonymous, who shares his/her desire with us to "embrace them."
In a dreadful case scenario, Cape Wind being permitted would set the stage for all types of development in Nantucket Sound, with limitations provided by our imaginations.
And, Magical, The Greenpeace incident at the Barnstable County Fair should have been exposed, you're right.
Barbara Durkin [Visitor] writes:
Stephen:
We had discussed housing issues not so long ago. If Cape Wind is permitted, would you be interested in living in the newest piling housing development off shore, STEEL PINES?
Magical and I are currently accepting reservations for Phase 1 units at STEEL PINES.
We had discussed housing issues not so long ago. If Cape Wind is permitted, would you be interested in living in the newest piling housing development off shore, STEEL PINES?
Magical and I are currently accepting reservations for Phase 1 units at STEEL PINES.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Yup Peckham Barb and I are first on line after Cape Wind. You know how the saying goes "When someone hands you lemons make lemonade"!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Magical... You do realize, despite your seemingly coy, beguiling and wiling modus operandi... I am on to your wicked ways, and have been all along.
Yes, you have poor Maverick wrapped tight in your tangled web... And, ready to suck lifes blood from that unfortunate weatherbeaten chap before he comes to his senses!
Fortunatly, most do not succumb so easily.
I have seen of which you have posted of late...
Now, I am back... And you must pay for your indescressions and insults to my friends... Those of us evolved, esteemed, enviormentally like minded 'Great Americans'...
Preordained to put an end to the demagoguery of the disgustingly immoral d'Alliance to "Protect" Nantucket Sound and their ilk.
Prepare to reveal your source! ;~)
P.s. Still waiting for my paychecks from CPN & Gordon... Many months overdue... Can you help? Do you think you might be of any influence in this regard?
Yes, you have poor Maverick wrapped tight in your tangled web... And, ready to suck lifes blood from that unfortunate weatherbeaten chap before he comes to his senses!
Fortunatly, most do not succumb so easily.
I have seen of which you have posted of late...
Now, I am back... And you must pay for your indescressions and insults to my friends... Those of us evolved, esteemed, enviormentally like minded 'Great Americans'...
Preordained to put an end to the demagoguery of the disgustingly immoral d'Alliance to "Protect" Nantucket Sound and their ilk.
Prepare to reveal your source! ;~)
P.s. Still waiting for my paychecks from CPN & Gordon... Many months overdue... Can you help? Do you think you might be of any influence in this regard?
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Babs / Magical... Like WOW!!!
You girls are onto somthing BIG!
That is a GREAT IDEA... Will bet all the oppositions big wigs will stand in line for a crack at that development:
"STEEL PINES"... 'Coming soon to a wind farm near you!"
Of course I would be willing to place a deposit to reserve my 'spot'... Preferably directly right below one of the noisey, oil belching and terminally dangerous... TURBINES!
How much yous' talking about to get in early?
You girls are onto somthing BIG!
That is a GREAT IDEA... Will bet all the oppositions big wigs will stand in line for a crack at that development:
"STEEL PINES"... 'Coming soon to a wind farm near you!"
Of course I would be willing to place a deposit to reserve my 'spot'... Preferably directly right below one of the noisey, oil belching and terminally dangerous... TURBINES!
How much yous' talking about to get in early?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
We won't have to pay much cause our steel pines, when all are built, will hardly a fraction of an acre :
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Well Peckham as any third grader knows payment often comes in perks and promises rather than checks. Harder to trace that way.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Can see it now:
"MAGICAL STEEL PINES"... 'Phase 1' - Preconstruction pricing $750,000.00 for 2 Bedroom unit. Comes with boat lift, ear plugs & vibrating views.
"DURKINS STEEL GROVE"... 'Phase 1' -
Preliminary renderings expected soon of prior Winergy site south of Nantucket.
Just think: Expose yourself... to enormous waves, howling winds and danger! Act now while there is still time!!!
"MAGICAL STEEL PINES"... 'Phase 1' - Preconstruction pricing $750,000.00 for 2 Bedroom unit. Comes with boat lift, ear plugs & vibrating views.
"DURKINS STEEL GROVE"... 'Phase 1' -
Preliminary renderings expected soon of prior Winergy site south of Nantucket.
Just think: Expose yourself... to enormous waves, howling winds and danger! Act now while there is still time!!!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
What are you offering Magical? Are you suggesting what I think you are?
Talk later?...
You know my address.
Talk later?...
You know my address.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Ok Magical, Gotcha... Now remember: This is between you and me - right? No one else in on this scheme. Don't forget now... You are going to owe me BIG TIME.
(wink, wink)
(wink, wink)
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Barbara! Neil's pics are worth a thousand words. I will be posting them soon so everyone can see for themselves Greenpeace's little fraudaroo! Of course, as I looked at the pics, I was thinking isn't this really a great illustration of what Cape Wind is talking about?! :)
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
P.s. Magical... Greenpeace unplugged because the turbine was producing more electricity than the cord could handle - Of course Barbara failed to mention that! :-)
Anonymous... Magical is to embarrassed on both counts:
1) She has unwittingly let the cat (bird / dog whatever) out of the bag as far as the extrodinary potential of building within the confines of the footprint of the coming windfarm.
You can be sure her handlers are shocked and a-scrambling to make sure all permits are in place so they aren't put thru the same BS as Cape Wind... If this deal goes thru - Why... Untold profits & tax benifits!!!
I am sure she is just cringing somewhere in the corner right now.
2)She has soiled and sallied herself first by insulting me by way of her "third grade" offering... And, then... Infering (by way ommisson) there something going on between us!... And to top this off: Compensation is transacted as well!
OUTRAGEOUS!... I have decided to call my buddy David Letterman to see how he handled that gal from Texas so this RUMOR can be nipped in the bud!!!
Hurrumph!
Anonymous... Magical is to embarrassed on both counts:
1) She has unwittingly let the cat (bird / dog whatever) out of the bag as far as the extrodinary potential of building within the confines of the footprint of the coming windfarm.
You can be sure her handlers are shocked and a-scrambling to make sure all permits are in place so they aren't put thru the same BS as Cape Wind... If this deal goes thru - Why... Untold profits & tax benifits!!!
I am sure she is just cringing somewhere in the corner right now.
2)She has soiled and sallied herself first by insulting me by way of her "third grade" offering... And, then... Infering (by way ommisson) there something going on between us!... And to top this off: Compensation is transacted as well!
OUTRAGEOUS!... I have decided to call my buddy David Letterman to see how he handled that gal from Texas so this RUMOR can be nipped in the bud!!!
Hurrumph!
Barbara Durkin [Visitor] writes:
Stephen:
You are just making it up as you go along. I have to question your sincerity when you write things that are off the wall like, "P.s. Magical... Greenpeace unplugged because the turbine was producing more electricity than the cord could handle - Of course Barbara failed to mention that! :-)"
Neil Good and I talked spoke with Greenpeace representatives at the Barnstable Fair about this incident, this cord to nowhere, and your stories don't match.
I have to wonder if you are listening to a new and improved Greenpeace version, or if you're just being inventive.
You are just making it up as you go along. I have to question your sincerity when you write things that are off the wall like, "P.s. Magical... Greenpeace unplugged because the turbine was producing more electricity than the cord could handle - Of course Barbara failed to mention that! :-)"
Neil Good and I talked spoke with Greenpeace representatives at the Barnstable Fair about this incident, this cord to nowhere, and your stories don't match.
I have to wonder if you are listening to a new and improved Greenpeace version, or if you're just being inventive.
Achilles [Visitor] writes:
Let's get this discussion back to where it started. For your info, folks:
Winergy could not be taken seriously because its principals had no experience of power facility or renewable energy construction and operation..... unlike Jim Gordon, who spent years buiding natural gas and biomass plants.
It's thought that Winergy intended to "put markers" down on promising sites, then sell the rights at huge markups to real developers when the time was right. But seeing how much the battles with 'true environmentalists' were costing Cape Wind, they pulled out.
Winergy could not be taken seriously because its principals had no experience of power facility or renewable energy construction and operation..... unlike Jim Gordon, who spent years buiding natural gas and biomass plants.
It's thought that Winergy intended to "put markers" down on promising sites, then sell the rights at huge markups to real developers when the time was right. But seeing how much the battles with 'true environmentalists' were costing Cape Wind, they pulled out.
Anonymous [Visitor] writes:
If you ladies had been following the wind farm saga as long as I have, you would know that Achilles is correct in his comments about Winergy.
Don't know anything about Mr. Good, but I would suggest that this plugged/unplegged discussion is right at the third grade level. How foolish do you wish to appear?
Don't know anything about Mr. Good, but I would suggest that this plugged/unplegged discussion is right at the third grade level. How foolish do you wish to appear?
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Barbara/Magical.
"Neil took photographs of the wiring set up that Greepeace had represented as a source of power, and posted this evidence on his Counter Wind Cape Blog".
So what are you saying, that wind energy is a fraud? Is this really the type of illustration you want to use to oppose wind energy?
Tom's of Maine Toothpaste announced today plans for a wind turbine's to be used to power their very successful business. Should we call them and tell them that wind power is a fraud because we saw no cable plugged in at the County Fair?
Again, I'm still undecided on the wind farm (location) but when I see this type of crap, I really question your sincerity.
"Neil took photographs of the wiring set up that Greepeace had represented as a source of power, and posted this evidence on his Counter Wind Cape Blog".
So what are you saying, that wind energy is a fraud? Is this really the type of illustration you want to use to oppose wind energy?
Tom's of Maine Toothpaste announced today plans for a wind turbine's to be used to power their very successful business. Should we call them and tell them that wind power is a fraud because we saw no cable plugged in at the County Fair?
Again, I'm still undecided on the wind farm (location) but when I see this type of crap, I really question your sincerity.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Barbara, You are always thoughtful and kind when responding to me... I appreciate your manner and grace...
Likewise, given my preconcieved notions, despite our total disagreement about this project... and my natural irrepressible ways - I try to be respectful and reasonably careful not to "cross the line" when it comes down to occassional outright distortion of facts and or reality (as far as I am concerned) that I feel need a response of some sort.
This case, under your careful scrutiny and direct observation... I will plead the fifth and offer: "I am 'reasonably' sure... A reasonable explaination exists as to why it was unpluged - (and) was not meant to intentionally decieve." Nor mine.
The question of my "sincerity": I honestly can say I have absolutly nothing to gain financially when and if the project moves forward.
I unabashidly support a magnificent undertaking by a honorable man. I have the pleasure of saying he is a friend.
Admittedly, I toss occassional M-80's into the fray when obviously necessary or when total absurdity/insanity reigns.
My best.
Likewise, given my preconcieved notions, despite our total disagreement about this project... and my natural irrepressible ways - I try to be respectful and reasonably careful not to "cross the line" when it comes down to occassional outright distortion of facts and or reality (as far as I am concerned) that I feel need a response of some sort.
This case, under your careful scrutiny and direct observation... I will plead the fifth and offer: "I am 'reasonably' sure... A reasonable explaination exists as to why it was unpluged - (and) was not meant to intentionally decieve." Nor mine.
The question of my "sincerity": I honestly can say I have absolutly nothing to gain financially when and if the project moves forward.
I unabashidly support a magnificent undertaking by a honorable man. I have the pleasure of saying he is a friend.
Admittedly, I toss occassional M-80's into the fray when obviously necessary or when total absurdity/insanity reigns.
My best.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
KMA... According to Magical: Wind energy: IS A FRAUD!
This is exactly the type of offering that will only lead to dismissing the credibility of the person who suggests such a thing.
I truly hope she has a moment of clarity soon or she will be out on her butt like Mr. Good.
It is one thing to discuss and argue realistic objections to the project such as the visual and lack of current regulations which may or may not have any impact on the ultimate approval.
Speaking only for myself... I will offer: When the discussion is brought to the level of the absurd - and it is so very apparrent & obvious when it has...
I am always a willing participant in taking it to the next level...
Be it the 'Twlight Zone' or 'Fantasy Island'... I'll be there... Dillusional as well!
For where else can you have literary license to cajole, banter and *iss a few deserving souls off... even if it is for your own equally bizzare entertainment?
This is exactly the type of offering that will only lead to dismissing the credibility of the person who suggests such a thing.
I truly hope she has a moment of clarity soon or she will be out on her butt like Mr. Good.
It is one thing to discuss and argue realistic objections to the project such as the visual and lack of current regulations which may or may not have any impact on the ultimate approval.
Speaking only for myself... I will offer: When the discussion is brought to the level of the absurd - and it is so very apparrent & obvious when it has...
I am always a willing participant in taking it to the next level...
Be it the 'Twlight Zone' or 'Fantasy Island'... I'll be there... Dillusional as well!
For where else can you have literary license to cajole, banter and *iss a few deserving souls off... even if it is for your own equally bizzare entertainment?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Well, I see you little little boys were having a good time last night. But, Peckham, KMA, Achilles and Anonymous (who ever you are) I would suggest you all go back over the comments and see who said exactly what before you smell your own blood in the water and go on the attack.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Oh Magical, admit it... You're just a little upset because you missed out in all the fun... Now just lay your head on the desk... And, when you wake up from your nap it will all be just fine! You'll see.
But whatever you do don't dream about the water...
LOOK OUT!... SHARKS!!!
(Hope all is well with you.)
But whatever you do don't dream about the water...
LOOK OUT!... SHARKS!!!
(Hope all is well with you.)
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Magical, would it be any less sexist for Peckham, KMA, Achilles and Anonymous to refer to you and other women they don't agree with as "little girls"?
If you are genuinely interested in seeing sexism meet its long-overdue demise, you might want to consider not perpetuating it.
If you are genuinely interested in seeing sexism meet its long-overdue demise, you might want to consider not perpetuating it.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Jack, this has nothing to do with sexism it has to do with their childish behavior. I would have said boys and girls, had there been females involved.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
... and were you so inclined
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Barefoot... Pregnant(?)... Food on the table... House clean... Clean clothes... Attendant to physical needs... Speak when spoken to... WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
I have to say Peckham one of the things I like about you is that you don't take yourself so seriously. And do manage to get me to crack a smile... even a hearty laugh sometimes. Jack used to get able to do that too until he reduced himself to downright obnoxious, totally egotistical and well, nasty.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Magical,
I get a little tired of getting lumpded in on your "little boy" comment. I don't know what part of my post offended you, please clarifiy.
If you'd like to continue to make "fraud" claims and at least not be called on it....your wrong. Please read what I said in my post carefully.
If we're "little boys", then "little girls", should be seen and not heard! Good day madam!
I get a little tired of getting lumpded in on your "little boy" comment. I don't know what part of my post offended you, please clarifiy.
If you'd like to continue to make "fraud" claims and at least not be called on it....your wrong. Please read what I said in my post carefully.
If we're "little boys", then "little girls", should be seen and not heard! Good day madam!
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
My apologies KMA.
Ref [Visitor] writes:
Ladies & Gentlemen: can we please dispense with the pettiness and return to the subject at hand?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Thank you Ref, I would like to. to me the subject at hand is the Nantucket, its beauty and history and being left as she is. There are people who might not be bothered by giant turbines in Yellowstone but I would!
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
But, but - Magical... I was being serious... for a change!
And, I feel I must stand up for Jack... I am sure his feelings are hurt because you forgot to include "PIG".
My recollection is that he was a part of our special club in honor of... What was it? Now I forget... Darn, tough to hit the double nickle.
Anyways, I think you owe him a nicely worded apology, and you should ask his forgivness in the spirit of the brotherhood of blogdom.
And, I feel I must stand up for Jack... I am sure his feelings are hurt because you forgot to include "PIG".
My recollection is that he was a part of our special club in honor of... What was it? Now I forget... Darn, tough to hit the double nickle.
Anyways, I think you owe him a nicely worded apology, and you should ask his forgivness in the spirit of the brotherhood of blogdom.
Barbara Durkin [Visitor] writes:
Achilles:
Your slanderous statements regarding Neil Good are based on your utter fabrication of events at the Barnstable County Fair. The wind tower “powering,” this project, as alleged by Greenpeace, was not connected by wiring to the tent-as I followed this wiring. Neil and I spoke with Greenpeace representatives who admitted that the tent was powered by a solar truck. We spoke in detail with Greenpeace regarding their misrepresentation. There is a pattern of misrepresentation to the public, and you are, frankly, perpetuating it.
Neil is held in very high regard by wind farm opponents. I must share that I think that your personal attack on him indicates, to me, that you’re closer to this issue than one might think. There is a familiar refrain in your delivery, and your attack on Neil is personal. Either I’ve correctly guessed your identity, or I know where your “version” of the truth was born. Your anonymous credibility is damaged beyond repair.
Your slanderous statements regarding Neil Good are based on your utter fabrication of events at the Barnstable County Fair. The wind tower “powering,” this project, as alleged by Greenpeace, was not connected by wiring to the tent-as I followed this wiring. Neil and I spoke with Greenpeace representatives who admitted that the tent was powered by a solar truck. We spoke in detail with Greenpeace regarding their misrepresentation. There is a pattern of misrepresentation to the public, and you are, frankly, perpetuating it.
Neil is held in very high regard by wind farm opponents. I must share that I think that your personal attack on him indicates, to me, that you’re closer to this issue than one might think. There is a familiar refrain in your delivery, and your attack on Neil is personal. Either I’ve correctly guessed your identity, or I know where your “version” of the truth was born. Your anonymous credibility is damaged beyond repair.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Achilles is not quite so anonymous as he would like to believe. His IP address comes through to my email loud and clear.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Barbara,
I am certainly no fan of Greenpeace. However, I'm still at a loss for you bringing-up the "unplugged" wind generator. They do work, and as I stated in an earlier post, are becoming more attractive to business. Again, what's the point?
I am certainly no fan of Greenpeace. However, I'm still at a loss for you bringing-up the "unplugged" wind generator. They do work, and as I stated in an earlier post, are becoming more attractive to business. Again, what's the point?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
With all due respect, this blog is not here to judge anyone personally. Ye of the pack of dogs need to get a life! Or go back to the locker room where belong.
Please get back on subject. This is inappropriate and rude.
Please get back on subject. This is inappropriate and rude.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Ruff! RRRR... RUFF!!!
Free for all!... Turbines for Everyone...
"A turbine for every Sound" - T. Roosevelt (circa 1929)
"One for all and all for Wind Farms" - S. Peckham (circa 2001)
Poor Neil... Now feeling bad about all this. Thanks Magical... For putting us in touch with our innerselves.
What is that smell in the locker room anyway?
Free for all!... Turbines for Everyone...
"A turbine for every Sound" - T. Roosevelt (circa 1929)
"One for all and all for Wind Farms" - S. Peckham (circa 2001)
Poor Neil... Now feeling bad about all this. Thanks Magical... For putting us in touch with our innerselves.
What is that smell in the locker room anyway?
Barbara Durkin [Visitor] writes:
KMA:
If I said to you that my car runs on bunny dung, when it is actually powered by gasoline, you would appropriately question my credibility.
Greenpeace claimed that the tent event at the Barnstable County Fair was powered by a wind tower. It was not powered by a wind tower, it was powered by a solar truck.
Neil Good exposed the fact that Greenpeace had been dishonest by attempting to convince the public that the wind tower was a source of power for the tent.
He did a little detective work, and the cord to nowhere told the real story.
If I said to you that my car runs on bunny dung, when it is actually powered by gasoline, you would appropriately question my credibility.
Greenpeace claimed that the tent event at the Barnstable County Fair was powered by a wind tower. It was not powered by a wind tower, it was powered by a solar truck.
Neil Good exposed the fact that Greenpeace had been dishonest by attempting to convince the public that the wind tower was a source of power for the tent.
He did a little detective work, and the cord to nowhere told the real story.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Barbara,
I understandly perfectly. If Greenpeace wants to make a fool of themselves, so be it. My point is you can judge the benifits of wind power based on Greenpeace's tent at the county fair.
I understandly perfectly. If Greenpeace wants to make a fool of themselves, so be it. My point is you can judge the benifits of wind power based on Greenpeace's tent at the county fair.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Magical, if my challenging the sanctity of your sentimental delusions makes me obnoxious, egotistical and nasty, so be it.
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Back in the kitchen Magical... What are you cookin' up for dinna?
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
I agree with KMA, Stephen. Doesn't matter where it's coming from; adds nothing to the debate.
Avatar [Visitor] writes:
I gather from the discussion that the wind sites selected by Winergy are feasible. Wouldn't Davis Bank be a better site for a wind farm? You can't see it from shore and I would also think there would be fewer birds out there.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Avatar,
Has the question of Davis Bank ever been asked of Cape Wind?
Has the question of Davis Bank ever been asked of Cape Wind?
Anonymous [Visitor] writes:
What's left to debate guys?...
2-women who are not intellectually capable of possibly "seeing the forest for the trees"... In THIS "debate" to be able to intelligently discuss the 'possibilities'...
Quite sure they are very bright, capable, and wonderful women in many other ways exclusive of their irrational fixation; 1-Guy...
Who has been led astray by his love affair with these sirens...
But, if plied with enough Rum would probably jump ship and swim to the nearest noisey, vibrating & leaky turbine and hang on for dear life.
So, there you have it. Nothing to "discuss" in my mind... just a constant battle of "liar, liar, pants on fire!"
And no, not worth my while to relentlessly argue why, and why not anymore.
Admittidly a "hecker" of sorts, toying with the "isssues" and having some fun and chuckles.
Glad some of you enjoyed me from time to time but, think I have overstayed my welcome on Magicals site.
Thank you Magical for your indulgence, kindness when appropriate, and appreciation of my warped sense of humor at times.
Jack & KMA: F*** You!:-)
2-women who are not intellectually capable of possibly "seeing the forest for the trees"... In THIS "debate" to be able to intelligently discuss the 'possibilities'...
Quite sure they are very bright, capable, and wonderful women in many other ways exclusive of their irrational fixation; 1-Guy...
Who has been led astray by his love affair with these sirens...
But, if plied with enough Rum would probably jump ship and swim to the nearest noisey, vibrating & leaky turbine and hang on for dear life.
So, there you have it. Nothing to "discuss" in my mind... just a constant battle of "liar, liar, pants on fire!"
And no, not worth my while to relentlessly argue why, and why not anymore.
Admittidly a "hecker" of sorts, toying with the "isssues" and having some fun and chuckles.
Glad some of you enjoyed me from time to time but, think I have overstayed my welcome on Magicals site.
Thank you Magical for your indulgence, kindness when appropriate, and appreciation of my warped sense of humor at times.
Jack & KMA: F*** You!:-)
Stephen Peckham [Visitor] writes:
Sorry y'all... Different computer & forgot my handle... 'Tis I.
& Goodbye.
& Goodbye.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
Wishful thinking on your part, Avatar, doesn't make the Winergy sites feasible. Apparently they weren't feasible enough for Winergy, which remains MIA.
Avatar [Visitor] writes:
Jack, the wind charts look good for Davis Bank. I can't seem to find a reason why Winergy pulled out. I've looked in Google and can't find anything . Please post a link if you find anything.
I am a prowind person. I think some sites other than Nantucket sound should be used if possible. If there is less public opposition to Davis Bank then wind farm can get built sooner.
I am a prowind person. I think some sites other than Nantucket sound should be used if possible. If there is less public opposition to Davis Bank then wind farm can get built sooner.
Avatar [Visitor] writes:
KMA, I've not heard anything about Jim Gordon being asked about Davis Bank. That would be a good question to ask the next time a Cape Wind presentation comes around.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
the purpose of this debate isn't for pro-wind to win over anti-wind and vice versa... it is to present the facts and opinions to others who haven't made up their minds on the subject.
KMA [Visitor] writes:
Peckham,
Come on, now that wasn't necessary. It just gets a liittle to much after a while.
Come on, now that wasn't necessary. It just gets a liittle to much after a while.
Anonymous [Visitor] writes:
I don't know anything about Davis Bank, but I do recall that Cape Wind was required to look at several other sites for consideration of appropriateness. It was no surprise that they were all found lacking. Cape Wind had done it's research and knew when it selected Horseshoe Shoal that it was the most suitable site.
That's what prudent and successful business people do - investigate and make decisions based on the results. Had Winergy and all the opponents (like the Alliance) done so, they could have discovered the same facts. Instead they just required Cape Wind to do the work and then they criticized the findings as tainted by reason of being the product of the proponent.
That's what prudent and successful business people do - investigate and make decisions based on the results. Had Winergy and all the opponents (like the Alliance) done so, they could have discovered the same facts. Instead they just required Cape Wind to do the work and then they criticized the findings as tainted by reason of being the product of the proponent.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Hi gang...I fish on Davis Bank all summer and if Cape wind wants that site it is theirs. No problem. I will support it.
I honestly believe it is a better site and would cause less environmental damage.
However, I also believe CW will not make as much money even though there is more wind there.
I thought more wind meant more energy!
Starting to get the picture!
This has nothing to do with your electric bill or a true energy source for Cape Cod.
I honestly believe it is a better site and would cause less environmental damage.
However, I also believe CW will not make as much money even though there is more wind there.
I thought more wind meant more energy!
Starting to get the picture!
This has nothing to do with your electric bill or a true energy source for Cape Cod.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
In response to Avatar - Cape Wind did scrutinize Nantucket Shoals in its study of 14 alternative sites back in '03. The Army Corps eliminated the shoals from consideration when the list of alternatives was narrowed to five.
If I recall correctly, the average wind over the Shoals is stronger than over Horseshoe Shoal, but the site has major drawbacks - it is exposed to the open water (ever see "The Perfect Storm"?) and the depths, on average, are deeper than on Horseshoe Shoal. All of which could explain why Winergy dropped off the map.
As for finding information about Winergy, it wasn't much easier when they were around. The only thing Winergy succeeded in doing was creating the impression of an offshore gold rush for wind power where none existed.
If I recall correctly, the average wind over the Shoals is stronger than over Horseshoe Shoal, but the site has major drawbacks - it is exposed to the open water (ever see "The Perfect Storm"?) and the depths, on average, are deeper than on Horseshoe Shoal. All of which could explain why Winergy dropped off the map.
As for finding information about Winergy, it wasn't much easier when they were around. The only thing Winergy succeeded in doing was creating the impression of an offshore gold rush for wind power where none existed.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Looks like Winergy went out of business?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Anonymous, isn't it possible that Cape Wind chose its site based on the bottom line, as businesses do. As Jack says the Nantucket Shoals site was less protected, deeper and .... But, deep water technology is at the door and perhaps the project can be moved... Jack?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
Jack, SP, Anonymous et. al....What about Davis Bank? Was it researched beyond everyone sitting with popcorn, holding hands and watching the Perfect Storm.
Which has nothing to do with deep water offshore energy sites.
If CPN is a knowlegeable source of info regarding clean energy and CW we need more than book or movie reviews.
Please give us facts and less rhetoric.
Thanks
Which has nothing to do with deep water offshore energy sites.
If CPN is a knowlegeable source of info regarding clean energy and CW we need more than book or movie reviews.
Please give us facts and less rhetoric.
Thanks
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
PP...I thought you weren't ready to give an opinion on CW.
Back from Boston and coming out of the closet?
Thanks! Just what we need. Another political, societal expert starting to transform into an energy, environmental, maritime spokesperson.
Hey, it's a free country.
Back from Boston and coming out of the closet?
Thanks! Just what we need. Another political, societal expert starting to transform into an energy, environmental, maritime spokesperson.
Hey, it's a free country.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
PP Do you know that for a fact or are you just being your prickley self?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
PP...areas of Davis Bank will not interfere with shipping.
Have you ever been on the Bank and it's local to the shipping lanes?
Davis Bank is not in the avian migratory flyway that Nantucket Sound is.
Tidal may do more short term immediate environmental damage but would be a final solution vs a Band Aid.
How long term? Til we were no longer in the Moon's gravity. And you won't have to worry about clean energy then.
Stick to politics. I liked you better then.
Have you ever been on the Bank and it's local to the shipping lanes?
Davis Bank is not in the avian migratory flyway that Nantucket Sound is.
Tidal may do more short term immediate environmental damage but would be a final solution vs a Band Aid.
How long term? Til we were no longer in the Moon's gravity. And you won't have to worry about clean energy then.
Stick to politics. I liked you better then.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Pierre, as you know I don't support wind power plants anywhere... not in my back yard and not in anyone else's. But if and I say if it is going to happen then it should be in a place where it will do as little harm as possible. Siting a wind farm in a major migratory flyway is a disaster waiting to happen. Deep water technology has apparantly fewer bad envrionmental effects and also the wind is more steady there.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
PP...I said it was a free country.
All I asked was if you were ever on Davis Bank and knew it's locale and proximity to the shipping lanes.
I am not a referee, but if you took the time to respond please answer the question.
In answer to yours! No one died, left me the referee, etc. Just a concerned environmentalist.
Please answer mine or I will feel qualified to answer all your political posts.
What's good for the gander is good for the goose. Or do I have it backwards?
Sound familiar?
All I asked was if you were ever on Davis Bank and knew it's locale and proximity to the shipping lanes.
I am not a referee, but if you took the time to respond please answer the question.
In answer to yours! No one died, left me the referee, etc. Just a concerned environmentalist.
Please answer mine or I will feel qualified to answer all your political posts.
What's good for the gander is good for the goose. Or do I have it backwards?
Sound familiar?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
PP...still openings in my fraud club.
Sounds like you would like to be considered.
Sounds like you would like to be considered.
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
PP...if no posts, what are the little blind sided remarks for CW?
Just staying on the good side of WB?
I warned you that could result in a broken nose on another blog. Not from me but from your suck up nature to CCT and the freedom it allows you versus the rest of us common folk.
It is no longer CCT. It has become the PP, WB, Anonymous, and anyone else who agrees with us forum.
Can I call you for my next ad or should I still ask for Julie?
Just staying on the good side of WB?
I warned you that could result in a broken nose on another blog. Not from me but from your suck up nature to CCT and the freedom it allows you versus the rest of us common folk.
It is no longer CCT. It has become the PP, WB, Anonymous, and anyone else who agrees with us forum.
Can I call you for my next ad or should I still ask for Julie?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
PP...if no posts, what are the little blind sided remarks for CW?
Just staying on the good side of WB?
I warned you that could result in a broken nose on another blog. Not from me but from your suck up nature to CCT and the freedom it allows you versus the rest of us common folk.
It is no longer CCT. It has become the PP, WB, Anonymous, and anyone else who agrees with us forum.
Can I call you for my next ad or should I still ask for Julie?
Just staying on the good side of WB?
I warned you that could result in a broken nose on another blog. Not from me but from your suck up nature to CCT and the freedom it allows you versus the rest of us common folk.
It is no longer CCT. It has become the PP, WB, Anonymous, and anyone else who agrees with us forum.
Can I call you for my next ad or should I still ask for Julie?
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
PP... I am on your most recent gender post. Thanks for your reply.
Sorry for appearing rude.
Just very concerned.
Thanks
Sorry for appearing rude.
Just very concerned.
Thanks
Maverick [Visitor] writes:
PP...Thanks for your input. Am on your blog twice because I agree with most of what you have to say.
Does this mean Julie won't call me two or three times a day for an ad renewal?
I would prefer you or WB so we could get into some real CW debate.
Love you and have a good night.
Thanks
Does this mean Julie won't call me two or three times a day for an ad renewal?
I would prefer you or WB so we could get into some real CW debate.
Love you and have a good night.
Thanks
BJTINCT [Visitor] writes:
Have you all seen the NY Times Editorial from 2/28/96 - SNEAK ATTACK ON CAPE WIND? An unenlightened opinion on 1.5 mile restriction.
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
Yes. And it was an uneliightened opinion that is for sure. In fact it woulded right out of Cape Wind's PR playbook. I suspect some back door manuevering with NYT!
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
BJTINCT did you see the debate on cable last night between Jim Gordon and Cliff Carrol?
BJTINCT [Visitor] writes:
No... BC vs Wake Forest took precedence for me. Can you summarize?
Magical Eye [Member] writes:
I am going to add a link to my blog so you can see it.
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
What Cliff Carroll didn't tell you about radar - as posted today at www.windfarmersalmanac.com --
Offshore wind turbines have caused "major league" problems with radar in Great Britain, or so claimed Windstop.org founder Cliff Carroll, right, on New England Cable News last night with Cape Wind CEO Jim Gordon.
"They ran into problems with their wind farm off Liverpool, England, and the Ministry of Defense ran into major league problems," Carroll claimed, later adding that this is "brand-new information, it's out there."
Oh, it's out there all right, as might be expected. Unfortunately for Mr. Carroll and others parroting his Chicken Little claims, they collide head-first into genuine major league problems with something known here -- and in England -- as reality.
Back in November, Windpower Monthly magazine ran a story, "Solutions found to radar concerns" that began like this --
Offshore wind turbines have caused "major league" problems with radar in Great Britain, or so claimed Windstop.org founder Cliff Carroll, right, on New England Cable News last night with Cape Wind CEO Jim Gordon.
"They ran into problems with their wind farm off Liverpool, England, and the Ministry of Defense ran into major league problems," Carroll claimed, later adding that this is "brand-new information, it's out there."
Oh, it's out there all right, as might be expected. Unfortunately for Mr. Carroll and others parroting his Chicken Little claims, they collide head-first into genuine major league problems with something known here -- and in England -- as reality.
Back in November, Windpower Monthly magazine ran a story, "Solutions found to radar concerns" that began like this --
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
"Objections to wind farms in Britain due to their effect on air defense radar are set to be a thing of the past under a solution offered to the industry by the Ministry of Defense (MOD). The breakthrough comes after MOD trials and a study by radar experts BAE Systems.
"We have been learning about things that we thought were a major problem for us," said Wing Commander Nicky Loveday from the MOD last month. "We had to step away and say: actually it really isn't a problem for the air defence community."
"We have been learning about things that we thought were a major problem for us," said Wing Commander Nicky Loveday from the MOD last month. "We had to step away and say: actually it really isn't a problem for the air defence community."
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