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01/23/08 · 1:30 pm :: posted by Jeff
Troublesome Questions Haunt DA in Case of Killer/Doctor
As many as four or more shots may have been fired into the victim
By Jeff Blanchard
What he (the DA) failed to mention, and still has yet to discuss, is how many times Gryboski shot her husband, Patrick Lancaster...When the Cape and Islands District Attorney’s office announced in August there would be no prosecution of Dr. Ann Gryboski in the self-confessed shooting death of her husband on Easter Sunday 2007, top prosecutor Michael O’Keefe said, "This is a finding by the Grand Jury consistent with the evidence in this particular case."
What he failed to mention, and still has yet to discuss, is how many times Gryboski shot her husband, Patrick Lancaster. Nowhere has it been written or discussed in public the exact number of times Dr. Gryboski fired her gun, how many shots hit their target, or even exactly how many people fired shots.
In search of those answers, I spoke this morning with three people in the office of the state Medical Examiner, an executive assistant who said all questions need to go through another state agency; the medical examiner on the case, Dr. Faryl Sandler, who said she is not allowed to communicate with reporters; and the chief medical examiner himself, who said the information being sought is not available through his office, but rather through police records or the prosecutor himself.
DA's failure to address the suggestion that he and Dr. Gryboski have known each other for years.O'Keefe was personally acquainted with the killer
From the beginning, and still to this day, the local police have referred all inquiries to the district attorney, who himself has been tangled up in the case by dint of his failure to address the suggestion that he and Dr. Gryboski have known each other for years.
For O’Keefe’s part, he had said he would divulge the nature of that relationship once the grand jury spoke, but then reneged on the pledge by refusing to answer any questions on the now-closed case, instead pointing to his press release as the final word on the matter.
Here, then, is the relevant passage as quoted directly from the DA’s press release (with the entire text available on his website):
"She fired once, he continued to advance, she fired again, striking him twice in the torso.""As the [unnamed] son began to back into the kitchen, Dr. Gryboski took her gun from her purse which was on the floor. She told her husband to stop. He taunted her and began to move toward her saying, ‘You're so dead, you don't know what you started.’ She fired once, he continued to advance, she fired again, striking him twice in the torso."
What’s it matter how many times she shot him? I suppose, for anyone who subscribes to the theory that Lancaster was abusive and deserved to die, it doesn’t matter at all. But then why not say it was once, twice, three times...or more? Why write around it?
There is one piece of paper, which we obtained yesterday, that does reflect the public record and at the same time fails to answer the questions regarding how many shooters and how many shots.
At line No. 34 on the death certificate filed on April 13 in Barnstable Town Hall, in the space for MANNER OF DEATH, the box checked was Homicide, as opposed to Natural, Accident, Suicide, Could Not Be Determined, or Pending Investigation.
Boom... boom... boom... BOOM !
At line 35d, DESCRIBE HOW INJURY OCCURRED, Medical Examiner Dr. Faryl Sandler typed in, "Shot By Other(s).
In the space marked CAUSE OF DEATH, Dr. Sandler wrote: "Gunshot Wounds To The Torso With Perforation Of Lung[,] Liver, Diaphragm And Illiac [sic] Artery."
I asked her this morning if that meant four shots, four holes, four wounds, and the doctor stuck to her no-comment position, saying she is not allowed to speak with reporters about any case.
Thus, even if we buy into the official narrative – as crafted by O’Keefe and Gryboski, along with her attorney Kevin Reddington -- what remains unanswered, then, is how many people fired the gun, how many shots were fired, and how many of the bullets hit Lancaster.
O’Keefe had a pre-existing relationship with the doctor, his former neighbor.According to every single person contacted for the story, including Reddington, the Barnstable police and the three officials of the state medical examiner’s office, the only person who can speak on the record here is O’Keefe himself, who has steadfastly refused comment ever since the rumor surfaced that O’Keefe had a pre-existing relationship with the doctor, his former neighbor.
As incendiary as that aspect of the Lancaster shooting may be, the fires of public curiosity have been fanned in many directions, post-mortem.
- First, O’Keefe immediately held a press conference in which he announced the shooting could be excused as the result of mitigating circumstances.
- Second, several residents of the neighborhood around Coach Lane in Barnstable where Gryboski continues to live complained to this reporter that they had not been interviewed by police or asked to appear before the grand jury despite having reached out to police to share their stories as long-time witnesses of the Gryboski-Lancaster family dynamic.
- Third, O’Keefe has dodged all attempts to address the suggestion that he and the doctor were friends, in which case the probe should have been handled by another office, as with the Worthington murder investigation in which O’Keefe’s intemperate, pre-trial remarks to an author with a book contract led to a temporary power-sharing agreement with the Plymouth County district attorney’s office, as Barnstable County’s quasi-Hall Monitor.
Meanwhile, the doctor/shooter volunteered her license to practice, asked for it back and has yet to receive a green light from the state, or even a date for a hearing.
Cape Cod where you can’t tell the good guys from the bad
Which brings us to today, just another day on Cape Cod, another day in which you can’t tell the good guys from the bad because the good guys keep making it so easy to confuse the two.
One man is dead from an unknown number of bullets and unknown number of shooters. His son remains free and completely anonymous as a matter of public record. His widow remains free and completely unable to practice medicine. And the man who holds the key to understanding how all this came to pass is in no position to comment, because there is nothing he can say that will do him any good.
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Read the previous reports on this killing chronologically listed below;
- Glitchy, Glitchy, Goo
- State Unmoved by Dr. Gryboski's Clean Bill
- Dead Men Don't Talk
- Cape Doc steals meds for dying pooch; Mitt changes abortion stand - again; Dr. Gryboski talks about her realtionship with murdered husband
- DA's office issues official release regarding Lancaster shooting investigation
- War against Delahunt & Kennedy; New Bedford sleigh ride to Woods Hole
- Gryboski wants to practice medicine again; Monument turns 100; Anniversary of the Ernestina
- Grand Jury clears Dr. Gryboski for killing husband of 30 years
- How to Kill Your Husband and Stay Out of Jail, Part 3:
- ATF Head Sullivan Reacts to O’Keefe Controversy
- A Ghost Story
- Battered woman defense rarely works; Trial to begin in Nantucket slaying; Tuckernuck wind farm proposed
- Dr. Gryboski reveals a secret; Dana Faria is a winner;
- Cape shooting death triggers memories of abuse for reader
- Gryboski surrenders licence, Vonnegut dies at 84; Cape.com sold; Coastal growth booms; Cape Air sought by Maryland airport;
- Yarmouth drops out of CC Commission; Art Committee likes armory; Doctor's lawyer claims "self-defence"; Hyannis housing market still active; Restaurant questions ratings integrity
- $22M to help fishermen; Supporters rally around Cape Doctor; Mobster's conviction upheld; Cape fiddle player plies the "B" roads
- Lancaster murder and mitigating factors
- Murder was self-defence claims wife; Person assaulted in Hyannis; Harwich fire; Gas station doused with retardant
- Murder in Barnstable; Violent attack; Police probe Hyannis stabbing; Mashpee crash; Ptown bar shut down after sewerage leak
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01/23/08 @ 2:21 pm
Ted from Hyannis Port [Member] writes:
Obviously neither the public nor the lackluster hacks still left at our daily newspaper give a damn whether the DA is a liar or bent, because if either did, they could force the truth to be told.
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Shecky [Member] writes:
Four or more shots to stop a disabled man???
That is the State's Attorney General doing about this travesty of justice??
That is the State's Attorney General doing about this travesty of justice??
Jeff [Member] writes:
Or, I hazard to say, a Ted From Hyannis, Ted From Hyannis...
capewatchdog [Member] writes:
Well, well, well, Who's that a callen?
Now lets all join in!
Someome will have to sing soon!
Now lets all join in!
Someome will have to sing soon!
Buzz [Member] writes:
"refused comment ever since the rumor surfaced" Let's just start another rumor Mr Investigative reporter...what the hell.
Tell me, your headline says that "Troublesome Questions Haunt DA" I missed the part where he's "haunted" do you mean by you? or others?
Tell me, your headline says that "Troublesome Questions Haunt DA" I missed the part where he's "haunted" do you mean by you? or others?
bittersweet [Member] writes:
The thing that got me about this case was that she had a loaded pistol in her purse, which you would think would mean...oh I don't know...Pre-meditated murder? But they explained it away by saying "she hunts." Huh?
Just like everything else associated with this guy...if you have nothing to hide, what is the problem?
What is he, untouchable?....A State employee?
What is this, Tzarist Russia?
Just like everything else associated with this guy...if you have nothing to hide, what is the problem?
What is he, untouchable?....A State employee?
What is this, Tzarist Russia?
crusader [Member] writes:
Well now....sounds like a familiar response doesn't it? Censorship reigns once again for the DA. Another case sealed perhaps? Just like John Reine's confession.
More of that "suppression of evidence"? How history does repeat itself over and over again within this DA's office. The pattern is crystal clear. So the ME checked off "Homicide" as cause of death, that's interesting. And if you connect the dots via human anatomy it appears that lung, liver, diaphram & illiac artery could have been ruptured by more than two bullets.
Guess this is just another cold case file, Jeff. They sure are stacking up.
More of that "suppression of evidence"? How history does repeat itself over and over again within this DA's office. The pattern is crystal clear. So the ME checked off "Homicide" as cause of death, that's interesting. And if you connect the dots via human anatomy it appears that lung, liver, diaphram & illiac artery could have been ruptured by more than two bullets.
Guess this is just another cold case file, Jeff. They sure are stacking up.
Buzz [Member] writes:
Oh great, see what you've done Jeff? Now you've got Columbo and Jessica Fletcher going again. You just couldn't leave it alone could you?
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Couldn't let it alone? How long ago was Chapaquiddeck? People (including you) still bring that up. Terrible wrongs know no boundaries of time. Their impact goes on forever.
bob [Member] writes:
wasn't this the same da that was playing with maria flook in the cw murder? seems to have a thing for the ladies.
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Once you commit yourself to the application of force, you may as well empty the whole clip.
stateoftheunion [Member] writes:
I would have shot him 10 times for his abuse, and blocking every good thing.
He was a clamdigger married to a doctor, who had no respect for her.
And McGowen is a big, sweet blubbering BBB in prison.
Examine the DAs office budget, how many cases they have to try every year, with not enough resources.
The revolving prison doors of CC and why.
Not corrupt LE.
If you're so desperate for a story, get out of the gutter, and write the real story.
He was a clamdigger married to a doctor, who had no respect for her.
And McGowen is a big, sweet blubbering BBB in prison.
Examine the DAs office budget, how many cases they have to try every year, with not enough resources.
The revolving prison doors of CC and why.
Not corrupt LE.
If you're so desperate for a story, get out of the gutter, and write the real story.
crusader [Member] writes:
buzz,
I'm not columbo nor am I Jessica Fletcher...I'm a young Nancy Drew as our blogfather has always referred to me as...thank you very much!
I'm not columbo nor am I Jessica Fletcher...I'm a young Nancy Drew as our blogfather has always referred to me as...thank you very much!
crusader [Member] writes:
stateoftheunion,
You would have shot him 10 times for his abuse? Well I don't doubt that, & the Grand Jury and DA would have condoned you as well.
"He was a clamdigger married to a doctor, who had no respect for her."--
Yes! True, but there is a thing called JUSTICE & DUE PROCESS of the LAW-- is quite obvious, the doc got to skate from all of it courtesy of your DA.
"And McGowen is a big, sweet blubbering BBB in prison."--that is a racist remark. You are proving our point of the Cape being mostly "lily white" & within some of your branches of Law Enforcement.
"Examine the DAs office budget, how many cases they have to try every year, with not enough resources."--Maybe he could donate some of his campaign money instead of lavishing his donors with expensive lunches & golf memorabilia! That is the lamest excust of them all! Cut back on the 90k + they pay LE.
"The revolving prison doors of CC & why.
Not corrupt LE."--Yes, some are CORRUPT!
"If you're so desperate for a story, get out of the gutter, and write the real story."--THIS IS THE REAL STORY!
You would have shot him 10 times for his abuse? Well I don't doubt that, & the Grand Jury and DA would have condoned you as well.
"He was a clamdigger married to a doctor, who had no respect for her."--
Yes! True, but there is a thing called JUSTICE & DUE PROCESS of the LAW-- is quite obvious, the doc got to skate from all of it courtesy of your DA.
"And McGowen is a big, sweet blubbering BBB in prison."--that is a racist remark. You are proving our point of the Cape being mostly "lily white" & within some of your branches of Law Enforcement.
"Examine the DAs office budget, how many cases they have to try every year, with not enough resources."--Maybe he could donate some of his campaign money instead of lavishing his donors with expensive lunches & golf memorabilia! That is the lamest excust of them all! Cut back on the 90k + they pay LE.
"The revolving prison doors of CC & why.
Not corrupt LE."--Yes, some are CORRUPT!
"If you're so desperate for a story, get out of the gutter, and write the real story."--THIS IS THE REAL STORY!
stateoftheunion [Member] writes:
crup, you clearly no nothing about the law, the court system, or the DAs Office, on a county or state level. You are merely annoying, to just about everyone.
stateoftheunion [Member] writes:
And crup, it's simple: NAME THEM.
Coward.
Coward.
stateoftheunion [Member] writes:
BBB was started by crup, bitter, and blanchard. CBB. One of you run for the MA DAs office. Your credentials must be impressive.
freemcgowen.org [Member] writes:
PLEASE send your money to freemcgowen.org.
'He din't do nuthing wrong.'
Except maybe watch...can't even go there, it's so sick.
It was all the DAs fault.
Signed, CBB.
Our motto, we love hurting good people!
Now, onto to the doctor, who snapped.
Check the DAs office's policies, which he instituted, and LE's, especially the female detectives training, on female victims of domestic violence.
Reverse racism and bigotry, and ignorance, or any ridiculous vendetta or bias, is just that.
'He din't do nuthing wrong.'
Except maybe watch...can't even go there, it's so sick.
It was all the DAs fault.
Signed, CBB.
Our motto, we love hurting good people!
Now, onto to the doctor, who snapped.
Check the DAs office's policies, which he instituted, and LE's, especially the female detectives training, on female victims of domestic violence.
Reverse racism and bigotry, and ignorance, or any ridiculous vendetta or bias, is just that.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
I'm a victim of domestic violence, what's your point?
I took a night of rape and abuse as the price of my freedom...and I didn't shoot my husband.
But, if I had..you can be damn sure I would be sitting in a prison cell right now.
No question about it, and you would say I belong there, wouldn't you?
Preferential justice--that sit well with you?
And what is it that BBB stands for? I forgot. Big, black something, right?
Yeah right just like your fair and impartial jurors. What a crock.
Cape Cod needs a serious overhaul.
And NOT by the people who have made such a mess of things!
I took a night of rape and abuse as the price of my freedom...and I didn't shoot my husband.
But, if I had..you can be damn sure I would be sitting in a prison cell right now.
No question about it, and you would say I belong there, wouldn't you?
Preferential justice--that sit well with you?
And what is it that BBB stands for? I forgot. Big, black something, right?
Yeah right just like your fair and impartial jurors. What a crock.
Cape Cod needs a serious overhaul.
And NOT by the people who have made such a mess of things!
capemom [Member] writes:
Some people need killing, and sometimes it takes more than one bullet.
Sometimes the person doing the needed killing is one of bitter's sainted working class women, and sometimes it's a physician.
People who are DA's have at least a law degree and are usually smart, ambitious, and hardworking, and tend to rub shoulders with movers and shakers in the community, not with quahoggers.
Not out of snobbery, but this is just a reality. Professionals tend to fraternize with professionals.
Where others see a conspiracy, I see reality: a woman defending herself against a total and complete monster, and a DA who happened to be acquainted with her socially not pressing charges.
The world is a better place for his having been removed from it. Someone was going to to die--him or her. I'm glad it was him and not her.
Sometimes the person doing the needed killing is one of bitter's sainted working class women, and sometimes it's a physician.
People who are DA's have at least a law degree and are usually smart, ambitious, and hardworking, and tend to rub shoulders with movers and shakers in the community, not with quahoggers.
Not out of snobbery, but this is just a reality. Professionals tend to fraternize with professionals.
Where others see a conspiracy, I see reality: a woman defending herself against a total and complete monster, and a DA who happened to be acquainted with her socially not pressing charges.
The world is a better place for his having been removed from it. Someone was going to to die--him or her. I'm glad it was him and not her.
Buzz [Member] writes:
bittersweet,
Were you really a victim of domestic violence and rape? Why should we take your word for it? What's your husbands side of the story? Maybe it was consensual? Maybe your story is just a coverup for some cop you were having an affair with? Was there a dark pickup truck seen leaving your driveway? Did LE overlook some evidence when investigating your claim? Did you try to get away? Why would you have stayed with this guy if you knew he was capable of the violence? Was he charged with rape? Was he having a fling with an assistant DA so charges were never brought forward?
Just thought I'd ask the type of questions you'd ask of a victim.
Were you really a victim of domestic violence and rape? Why should we take your word for it? What's your husbands side of the story? Maybe it was consensual? Maybe your story is just a coverup for some cop you were having an affair with? Was there a dark pickup truck seen leaving your driveway? Did LE overlook some evidence when investigating your claim? Did you try to get away? Why would you have stayed with this guy if you knew he was capable of the violence? Was he charged with rape? Was he having a fling with an assistant DA so charges were never brought forward?
Just thought I'd ask the type of questions you'd ask of a victim.
crusader [Member] writes:
bittersweet,
Buzz's questions do not deserve your response. Choose to ignore both. They are not worth it.
Buzz's questions do not deserve your response. Choose to ignore both. They are not worth it.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Well capemom...judging by that response, then you do agree with preferential justice.
You can call it reality, but I call it foul!
If you allow one woman to do this, then every other woman in the same situation has the same right.
Who does this guy work for, his friends?
Are they the only ones paying his salary?
Money justice....
Then stop taking our money too...let his friends pay his salary!
And here's for you Buzz...the police didn't believe that a woman could be raped by her husband,wouldn't do anything about abuse unless they saw it happen. This was back in 85-87. So,the horror me and my kids went through was pretty much sanctioned by the "men in charge".
Glad to see that it's changed around so much now that you are free to defend yourself againt an abuser. Just wish it held true for all of us, not just the chosen few.
And thanks crusader...
You can call it reality, but I call it foul!
If you allow one woman to do this, then every other woman in the same situation has the same right.
Who does this guy work for, his friends?
Are they the only ones paying his salary?
Money justice....
Then stop taking our money too...let his friends pay his salary!
And here's for you Buzz...the police didn't believe that a woman could be raped by her husband,wouldn't do anything about abuse unless they saw it happen. This was back in 85-87. So,the horror me and my kids went through was pretty much sanctioned by the "men in charge".
Glad to see that it's changed around so much now that you are free to defend yourself againt an abuser. Just wish it held true for all of us, not just the chosen few.
And thanks crusader...
Jeff [Member] writes:
note to capedad: I'd think about making sure my tape measures were all secured...
Buzz [Member] writes:
bittersweet,
Well, it's good to see that your begining to face your demons. Bash LE over the head for what happend to you and be jealous of a woman who was able to take matters into her own hands and defend herself. Keep coming around, you'll feel much better.
Also, thanks for not taking crusaders advice and not answering me... you'll be a lot better off away from her controlling grasp on you.
Things are looking better today.
Well, it's good to see that your begining to face your demons. Bash LE over the head for what happend to you and be jealous of a woman who was able to take matters into her own hands and defend herself. Keep coming around, you'll feel much better.
Also, thanks for not taking crusaders advice and not answering me... you'll be a lot better off away from her controlling grasp on you.
Things are looking better today.
crusader [Member] writes:
buzz,
Control issues are what you have. You make damn sure none of can state our opinions without being subjected to you and your a/k/a harassing comments.
Control issues are what you have. You make damn sure none of can state our opinions without being subjected to you and your a/k/a harassing comments.
Buzz [Member] writes:
Wow, looks like I struck a nerve there cursader. Like you, I'm just on a mission to help the "little" guy darn it. bittersweet will be much better off when she releases herself from your damning grip..... just let go bitter... liberate yourself from the jaws of defeat. She'll turn you against all those good and moral.
crusader, thanks for breaking the rules you impose on others and answering me... hey, who knows, maybe you'll start coming around as well. Have a happy day.
crusader, thanks for breaking the rules you impose on others and answering me... hey, who knows, maybe you'll start coming around as well. Have a happy day.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Makes you wonder why, with all my "men issues", I would be so sure as my own life that Christopher McCowen didn't kill anyone, doesn't it?
And no, as if you never heard me before....I am bashing LE because I believe they set up an innocent man for murder.
And so as not to stray too from this "thread",as you and 44 get so uppity about,
There are two sides to every story.
This man did not get his story out, as he is dead. But, his brother did manage to give an interview, and paints quite a different picture of the Doctor...not that you would give him any credit- he's just the victim's brother, and he just knew them both personally.
But unfortunatwly for him and his family, the DA knows the Doctor personally, and so this man will get no justice for him and his family....
But hey...friends help friends out. Drunk driving? Drive him home and look the other way.
Kill your husband, not to worry!
Have sex with a woman above your "status" and race?
Three consecutive terms of life in prison without parole.
Cape Cod Just-Us.
And no, as if you never heard me before....I am bashing LE because I believe they set up an innocent man for murder.
And so as not to stray too from this "thread",as you and 44 get so uppity about,
There are two sides to every story.
This man did not get his story out, as he is dead. But, his brother did manage to give an interview, and paints quite a different picture of the Doctor...not that you would give him any credit- he's just the victim's brother, and he just knew them both personally.
But unfortunatwly for him and his family, the DA knows the Doctor personally, and so this man will get no justice for him and his family....
But hey...friends help friends out. Drunk driving? Drive him home and look the other way.
Kill your husband, not to worry!
Have sex with a woman above your "status" and race?
Three consecutive terms of life in prison without parole.
Cape Cod Just-Us.
Buzz [Member] writes:
Well, you listen to the brothers side of the story but not her family's side. Jeff comes out with some more unsubstantiated claims and you and the crusader are all over them like fact. I can't have an opinion?
clamshelli, already have done that... thanks for thiking of me though. Last I checked, this was a blog site... where "anyone" can express themself no matter how ridiculous. Don't like it... don't play.
clamshelli, already have done that... thanks for thiking of me though. Last I checked, this was a blog site... where "anyone" can express themself no matter how ridiculous. Don't like it... don't play.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Never said anything about you not blogging.......so if youve already grown up...then ACT YOUR AGE....unless you are nearing senility. OK?
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"Unsubstantial claims", "All over them like fact"....seems we have the same problem with each other don't we?
Only difference is,the "claims" and "facts" that I have a problem with sent a man to prison for life.
Jeff's "claims" and "facts" have led only to questions because of the man deciding the outcomes.
He liked the Doctor. Chris wasn't so lucky.
Only difference is,the "claims" and "facts" that I have a problem with sent a man to prison for life.
Jeff's "claims" and "facts" have led only to questions because of the man deciding the outcomes.
He liked the Doctor. Chris wasn't so lucky.
Buzz [Member] writes:
No, the grand jury liked the doctor based on the facts surrounding the case. The jury on the other hand thought the facts were strong enough to find the defendant guilty. This is our legas process, works well.
clamshelli, are you that hard-up for attention? Get a puppy.
clamshelli, are you that hard-up for attention? Get a puppy.
Buzz [Member] writes:
It just realized that clamshelli is crusader... I should have know.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
"Crusader is Clamshelli"......now that is hilarious...huh crusader? Not the brighest bulb, our Buzz. hehe
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
No Buzz, I am not in need of attention, but Ill tell you what I am in need of....I am battling my second bout of pneumonia since Christmas...which has forced me, finally, to quit smoking. Sooo...I am in need to SPANK someone, verbally....and you seem like the perfect one for me right now.....wanna play?
Buzz [Member] writes:
Oh I'm no match for you... but if you must, spank away. On a serious note. Glad your doing better, pneumonia is not fun. Stay strong and stay off the butts.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
WEll thank you buzz,...hmm not quite what I was looking for....Bah!
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"No, the grand jury liked the doctor based on the facts surrounding the case. The jury on the other hand thought the facts were strong enough to find the defendant guilty. This is our legas process, works well."
Thr Grand Jury liked the Doctor because of the favorable witnesses who came forward to defend her. Sorry, that is not "fact" of anything,it is "opinion".
Just as the "fact" that McCowen had sex with CM was no "proof" of anything other than that. It was the jury's "opinion" that he raped and murdered her.
What kind of shoddy crap goes on here anyway?
If you really stop and think about it...it's mind-boggling!
Thr Grand Jury liked the Doctor because of the favorable witnesses who came forward to defend her. Sorry, that is not "fact" of anything,it is "opinion".
Just as the "fact" that McCowen had sex with CM was no "proof" of anything other than that. It was the jury's "opinion" that he raped and murdered her.
What kind of shoddy crap goes on here anyway?
If you really stop and think about it...it's mind-boggling!
Buzz [Member] writes:
The grand jury has the ability to call anyone they want as a witness. On the other, it's called "beyond a reasonable doubt". But we've been down that road a thousand times.
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey clamshelli! Glad to hear you quit smoking and feeling better. This has been a bad season for respiratory illness, stay well.
And, yes pretty amusing. Unlike us, some who post on this site get to use different alias's, do whatever they choose, unlike us who tell it like it is & don't hide under an alternate disguise.
The Grand Jury didn't know this woman's alleged past, & friendship with the DA. Why didn't the police interview her neighbors? That's what good police work is all about. Getting to the truth, allowing witnesses to come forward. Not the case when it comes to the DA. He gets to do whatever he wants, answers to no one. Like the Boston lawyer said, "that DA's office convict the innocent who are not from local families or who have $$$ to bail themselves out of a jam".....was he ever right! And the DA never heard of FREEDOM OF SPEECH either...since the journalists of the Cape, except for Jeff & Marilyn Miller (although Truro never let her get too far) the rest are not allowed to print the truth, just the DA's version, that is if you can even get the guy to talk.
And, yes pretty amusing. Unlike us, some who post on this site get to use different alias's, do whatever they choose, unlike us who tell it like it is & don't hide under an alternate disguise.
The Grand Jury didn't know this woman's alleged past, & friendship with the DA. Why didn't the police interview her neighbors? That's what good police work is all about. Getting to the truth, allowing witnesses to come forward. Not the case when it comes to the DA. He gets to do whatever he wants, answers to no one. Like the Boston lawyer said, "that DA's office convict the innocent who are not from local families or who have $$$ to bail themselves out of a jam".....was he ever right! And the DA never heard of FREEDOM OF SPEECH either...since the journalists of the Cape, except for Jeff & Marilyn Miller (although Truro never let her get too far) the rest are not allowed to print the truth, just the DA's version, that is if you can even get the guy to talk.
Buzz [Member] writes:
crusader you dirty S.O.B. I wished clamshelli to "get well" before you did. You leave her alone, don't you dare bud in on my territory. She was just begining to like me.
Questions: The grand jury knowing about the womans "alledged" past? Alledged dosen't cut it in a court of law.
Neighbors? How do you know who was interviewed or not?
Journalists not alllowed to "print the truth"? Again, no proof and no credibility.
Stay away from my clamshelli.
Questions: The grand jury knowing about the womans "alledged" past? Alledged dosen't cut it in a court of law.
Neighbors? How do you know who was interviewed or not?
Journalists not alllowed to "print the truth"? Again, no proof and no credibility.
Stay away from my clamshelli.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Crusader,
Anytime our DA does opens his mouth, a hear a whole lotta people CRINGING, and want him to just SHUT UP! For example, his description of Christa Worthington to Flook, oh, yah, and then his PROMISE to test that very important untested evidence, to appease the public and give them SATISFACTION! Well, I can get no ....sat is fac tion. Cuz, its over a year later....NO TEST RESULTS. So, Im pretty sure he has been told to keep his trap SHUT.
Anytime our DA does opens his mouth, a hear a whole lotta people CRINGING, and want him to just SHUT UP! For example, his description of Christa Worthington to Flook, oh, yah, and then his PROMISE to test that very important untested evidence, to appease the public and give them SATISFACTION! Well, I can get no ....sat is fac tion. Cuz, its over a year later....NO TEST RESULTS. So, Im pretty sure he has been told to keep his trap SHUT.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Buzz, let me ask you this....WHEN have you EVER heard of a DA promising to test evidence AFTER the verdict?? Who does that??? Have you ever, in your life heard of that before?
crusader [Member] writes:
When two guys can put 37+ bullets with semi-automatic weapons, (allegedly similar to the one Manso had at his house) into two dogs, after stuffing them in the trunk and escape jail time...we find out they are related to MSP/local law....what more do we need to know. The sentencing was 2 1/2 years, one guy got 6 months, wonder if he will ever do the time.
Buzz [Member] writes:
crusader,
Read what you write. First, they "escape" jail time. Then, they get sentenced and you wonder if they'll do the time? Huh? Which is it?
Read what you write. First, they "escape" jail time. Then, they get sentenced and you wonder if they'll do the time? Huh? Which is it?
crusader [Member] writes:
And, the judge presiding over their case is the ex-wife of the DA! LOL...no kidding....the one who rushed to her ex-husbands defense when he was taking the heat about slandering Christa. This place is unbelievable.
And both of these guys were son's of police officers. The used a semi-automatic weapon on two dogs--if the dogs were so violent, why did they need 37+ bullets plugged into them?
And what I meant by that comment was: The maximum sentencing for this crime is 2.5 years, but one guy, Sorenberg, gets to walk, the other only has to do 6 months, and I wonder if that will even be imposed. It's just in print to appease an already outraged public of the obvious favoritism that continues within the halls of "JUST-US" on Cape Cod.
And both of these guys were son's of police officers. The used a semi-automatic weapon on two dogs--if the dogs were so violent, why did they need 37+ bullets plugged into them?
And what I meant by that comment was: The maximum sentencing for this crime is 2.5 years, but one guy, Sorenberg, gets to walk, the other only has to do 6 months, and I wonder if that will even be imposed. It's just in print to appease an already outraged public of the obvious favoritism that continues within the halls of "JUST-US" on Cape Cod.
ifawsupporter [Member] writes:
cursader, with your complete and utter disrespect for LE and the DA, it is impossible to address all of your many problems, because you are such a headcase. Dogs always get along. You, on the other hand, do not. Period. Every dog park, of which the Cape has none, because it sucks, and every doggie day care, of which there is only one, which is totally great: dogs don't fight, ever. Not pit bulls, not rottweillers, not german shepards. None. Who has semi-automatics? You. You are insane.
crusader [Member] writes:
Organized crime has infiltrated your wonderful branches of law enforcement.
All one has to do is read "Brothers Bulger" to know this is a fact.
Why not take it like a dog & deal with it.
Innocent people are put in jail, so friends of law enforcement & organized crime can get away.
That is the simple truth, nothing complicated about it. What is complicated is living with the fact that you can't even trust law enforcement anymore.
Christa's death was a "hit", in my opinion. The why's & who's may never surface because of political reasons & who she was--a blueblood who slept with a black trashman. The island can't ever admit that.
Some of the people involved in this case who were brought up by the defense attorney, those working for the moving company were connected to organized crime.
There it is, now go find the killers & bring them to justice.
Christa will never be at peace until that day arrives.
You all go live with what happened to her on your island. That fact will never go away. If this had a Boston connection, it also had one on the Cape.
All one has to do is read "Brothers Bulger" to know this is a fact.
Why not take it like a dog & deal with it.
Innocent people are put in jail, so friends of law enforcement & organized crime can get away.
That is the simple truth, nothing complicated about it. What is complicated is living with the fact that you can't even trust law enforcement anymore.
Christa's death was a "hit", in my opinion. The why's & who's may never surface because of political reasons & who she was--a blueblood who slept with a black trashman. The island can't ever admit that.
Some of the people involved in this case who were brought up by the defense attorney, those working for the moving company were connected to organized crime.
There it is, now go find the killers & bring them to justice.
Christa will never be at peace until that day arrives.
You all go live with what happened to her on your island. That fact will never go away. If this had a Boston connection, it also had one on the Cape.
crusader [Member] writes:
During the case, we find out that CM became a drug informant for the Wellfleet officer who was assigned to the Drug Task Force. So, why would CM leave if he was a drug informant? This is probably how the set up began. He was arrested, then turned into an informant to avoid jail time since he was on probation. He was cooperating with the police who he believed he could trust. That was his first mistake. IMO
Looking back, this case has been riddled with series of events leading to nothing but chaos and confusion. It's what we have learned that make us think about what we haven't learned.
Looking back, this case has been riddled with series of events leading to nothing but chaos and confusion. It's what we have learned that make us think about what we haven't learned.
crusader [Member] writes:
The first judge gets run over by a golf cart; the first ME comes down with an "undetermined illness"; the evidence is mishandled and lost; over 20 members of LE ransacked the crimescene; CM never left the Cape because he was working as an informant for LE; he submitted his DNA willingly; there is an ex-con murderer in this story, DM, who shared a cell phone with JF who is a relative of local LE; there are other players in this story who worked for the same moving company who also have criminal backgrounds and ties to organized crime--what else do we need to know?
This murder only spells one thing--COVER UP.
And I still believe that some didn't like the fact that CM was sleeping with a blueblood, or other white women during his trash runs. Small towns--territorial & closed communities.
This murder only spells one thing--COVER UP.
And I still believe that some didn't like the fact that CM was sleeping with a blueblood, or other white women during his trash runs. Small towns--territorial & closed communities.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
That last statement you made is very true crusader.(I think all the rest are too,btw)
There are people on another site who actually say "It is not possible that she would sleep with him, just not possible." "Are you saying she would not shower after sleeping with a garbage man? Icky." "A woman with her standing would not sleep with a black garbage man." etc., etc.
As if they would know!
How do they know?
One person even called Chris a "loathsome creature." Loathsome creature....who talks like that?
It's unbelievable, and disturbing as hell too.
The only other time I've seen an attitude like that was a long time ago in Tennessee...makes me think of that statement of the Wellfleet police officer...worse than down South.
I feel like I'm living in a time warp...and no-one see's anything wrong!
....That's not true really, and everyone is not that way. It's just been so disturbing to see this antiquated attitude still alive and well.
I think shrinks call it a superiority complex.
There are people on another site who actually say "It is not possible that she would sleep with him, just not possible." "Are you saying she would not shower after sleeping with a garbage man? Icky." "A woman with her standing would not sleep with a black garbage man." etc., etc.
As if they would know!
How do they know?
One person even called Chris a "loathsome creature." Loathsome creature....who talks like that?
It's unbelievable, and disturbing as hell too.
The only other time I've seen an attitude like that was a long time ago in Tennessee...makes me think of that statement of the Wellfleet police officer...worse than down South.
I feel like I'm living in a time warp...and no-one see's anything wrong!
....That's not true really, and everyone is not that way. It's just been so disturbing to see this antiquated attitude still alive and well.
I think shrinks call it a superiority complex.
crusader [Member] writes:
bittersweet,
Just like the tradesmen don't sleep with the lonely second-home wife of Truro who vacations while hubby is away on business or screwing his 20+ something while he dumps the kids & "not so fresh" wife on the bluffs. But those stories you won't hear because some of the locals are doing it & cops, too. But when CM becomes "a man in motion" by the white sophisticated women who decide they want to take a walk on the wild side then it's, "oh! never!...not a black trashman", but a white painter, carpenter, fisherman, cop......so what is the difference if we are talking about class? NO, it's race they are talking about, but yet they won't admit it because that would define who they really are--LILLY WHITE racist sh*theads....the better than thou crowd who sit in the first row of the holy church for hypocrites only....please, no one is buying their bull anymore & it shows from what is going on down there. I've never seen so many crimes printed in the news. Did they suddenly hire some real journalists? Or are the majority of hard working Cape Codders finally speaking out?
Just like the tradesmen don't sleep with the lonely second-home wife of Truro who vacations while hubby is away on business or screwing his 20+ something while he dumps the kids & "not so fresh" wife on the bluffs. But those stories you won't hear because some of the locals are doing it & cops, too. But when CM becomes "a man in motion" by the white sophisticated women who decide they want to take a walk on the wild side then it's, "oh! never!...not a black trashman", but a white painter, carpenter, fisherman, cop......so what is the difference if we are talking about class? NO, it's race they are talking about, but yet they won't admit it because that would define who they really are--LILLY WHITE racist sh*theads....the better than thou crowd who sit in the first row of the holy church for hypocrites only....please, no one is buying their bull anymore & it shows from what is going on down there. I've never seen so many crimes printed in the news. Did they suddenly hire some real journalists? Or are the majority of hard working Cape Codders finally speaking out?
Buzz [Member] writes:
crusader,
I have no sympathy for the guys that killed the dog. According to the newspaper, at least one of them will be serving time. They were tried by a jury and by a very competent judge who, many years ago was the wife of the current DA. She was an assistant DA for many years before becoming a judge. From what I know, she is highly regarded. Do you have information that she may have swayed the jury or given the men a lesser sentence because she was once married to the DA? Also, the suspects in the case did present a defense. Their claim was that the dogs were vicious and had attacked them, one of their mothers and dogs in the neighborhood. Does that make it right what they had done? Maybe not, but it does create a motive for the jury to think about. Unlike you, who just assume that it's one great big cover-up.
When the convicted murder CM "laid the boot to her" and she "took a walk on the wild side", did he have sex with her in the hallway where she just happened to be found DEAD? She still had the black trashman's DNA on her breast.
I have no sympathy for the guys that killed the dog. According to the newspaper, at least one of them will be serving time. They were tried by a jury and by a very competent judge who, many years ago was the wife of the current DA. She was an assistant DA for many years before becoming a judge. From what I know, she is highly regarded. Do you have information that she may have swayed the jury or given the men a lesser sentence because she was once married to the DA? Also, the suspects in the case did present a defense. Their claim was that the dogs were vicious and had attacked them, one of their mothers and dogs in the neighborhood. Does that make it right what they had done? Maybe not, but it does create a motive for the jury to think about. Unlike you, who just assume that it's one great big cover-up.
When the convicted murder CM "laid the boot to her" and she "took a walk on the wild side", did he have sex with her in the hallway where she just happened to be found DEAD? She still had the black trashman's DNA on her breast.
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,
She had sex with him on Thurs., just the day prior. Sometimes people don't shower everyday, it can happen, especially when you are chasing an active toddler around.
The point IS--there are at least two witnesses that can be connected to the MOB in this story--one is DM and the other is JH--both of SOMERVILLE! And you know what? I get to talk about it because I live in the town--just like you and others who don't like it when I talk about the Cape--but the difference is I don't care what you say about Somerville. It has its history of criminals--so does the Cape!
I hate to clue you in, but the black trash man was set up for the murder of Christa Worthington and a cop who was in charge of evidence in Truro also got to skip out on court the last day before deliberations! This guy was one of her last boyfriend's who also didn't have to submit his DNA! But that's okay...because we all know who wears BLACK BOOTS--it's the cops!
Why would a guy from Wellfleet who has lived there his whole life say, "it was the cops, & they trashed her place afterwards."
She had sex with him on Thurs., just the day prior. Sometimes people don't shower everyday, it can happen, especially when you are chasing an active toddler around.
The point IS--there are at least two witnesses that can be connected to the MOB in this story--one is DM and the other is JH--both of SOMERVILLE! And you know what? I get to talk about it because I live in the town--just like you and others who don't like it when I talk about the Cape--but the difference is I don't care what you say about Somerville. It has its history of criminals--so does the Cape!
I hate to clue you in, but the black trash man was set up for the murder of Christa Worthington and a cop who was in charge of evidence in Truro also got to skip out on court the last day before deliberations! This guy was one of her last boyfriend's who also didn't have to submit his DNA! But that's okay...because we all know who wears BLACK BOOTS--it's the cops!
Why would a guy from Wellfleet who has lived there his whole life say, "it was the cops, & they trashed her place afterwards."
crusader [Member] writes:
As far as the guys who pumped over 37+ bullets into those dogs--there is just no excuse I can see and again we see the same thing--favoritism to relatives & friends of law enforcement.
If the dogs were locked in the trunk, why didn't they call their buddies at the station.
This story is sick--cruelty to animals to an extreme.
I just thought it was a coincidence that the DA's ex-wife got to preside over this case. You got it all wrapped up down there on the Cape. There is no fair system of justice, it's the ole boy network protecting their own. Face it.
If the dogs were locked in the trunk, why didn't they call their buddies at the station.
This story is sick--cruelty to animals to an extreme.
I just thought it was a coincidence that the DA's ex-wife got to preside over this case. You got it all wrapped up down there on the Cape. There is no fair system of justice, it's the ole boy network protecting their own. Face it.
Buzz [Member] writes:
If you stop talking in secret code, I may be able to follow your conspiracy theory. Who's from Somerville and what's their involvement? Who's the guy form Wellfleet? There are those that believe that OJ is still looking for his wife's killer as well.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Since you keep referencing Mason's written statement as the truth, then you must believe that Frazier is the real killer.
Not only that, but you, who don't believe she would have sex with him at all, are now saying you believe CM and JF showed up at her door for "some a$$", she let them in, and had sex with CM while JF was going though her stuff...aLL the while her daughter is there.
That is what Mason's report says.
So, if it's so true, then what are we arguing for?
Go arrest Frazier for murder!
Ps; Her body was found that way...we don't know how it got there....seems rather strange that with a 200 pd man, you would have sex in such an uncomfortable manner. (thanks groovy!)
An hold on, didn't Mason say that they had sex in the living room? Or were they in another room while Frazier was busy going through her stuff?
Or was it on the stairway that they had sex?
Pretty wild, for a woman who would never have sex with him in the first place.
Hey Buzz, I got bridge to sell you...interested? Make me an offer.
Money walks and bullsh&^ talks!!!!
Not only that, but you, who don't believe she would have sex with him at all, are now saying you believe CM and JF showed up at her door for "some a$$", she let them in, and had sex with CM while JF was going though her stuff...aLL the while her daughter is there.
That is what Mason's report says.
So, if it's so true, then what are we arguing for?
Go arrest Frazier for murder!
Ps; Her body was found that way...we don't know how it got there....seems rather strange that with a 200 pd man, you would have sex in such an uncomfortable manner. (thanks groovy!)
An hold on, didn't Mason say that they had sex in the living room? Or were they in another room while Frazier was busy going through her stuff?
Or was it on the stairway that they had sex?
Pretty wild, for a woman who would never have sex with him in the first place.
Hey Buzz, I got bridge to sell you...interested? Make me an offer.
Money walks and bullsh&^ talks!!!!
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,
You want me to name names so your rogues can go after these people who spoke to me, right? No dice. I really don't give a sh*t if you don't believe me, but I will give you this--
BG stated an ex-con named David Murphy of Somerville who also worked for MMovers w/Jeremy Frazier, both shared a cell phone that was traced to SYMSP on the night in question 12 midnight--25 calls made, his pager going off--so what was that? Just a friendly midnight chat? No, I think it was, a "checkin" call--"we got the job done"....in my opinion. Maybe they drugged her, beat her up to look like a robbery...many layers to throw PI's off the scent of the trail. There is another key player, also connected to MMovers who BG mentioned at trial, he's connected to Winter Hill Gang of yester-year--you remember don't you buzz? You use to bring it up all the time!
David Murphy was convicted of murder (decapitation/severing hands of a young man 21yr.old) along w/someone else, at the Holiday Inn, Charlestown/Som. line, a known mob hang out, served 10 yrs, got out six months before Christa's death.
You want me to name names so your rogues can go after these people who spoke to me, right? No dice. I really don't give a sh*t if you don't believe me, but I will give you this--
BG stated an ex-con named David Murphy of Somerville who also worked for MMovers w/Jeremy Frazier, both shared a cell phone that was traced to SYMSP on the night in question 12 midnight--25 calls made, his pager going off--so what was that? Just a friendly midnight chat? No, I think it was, a "checkin" call--"we got the job done"....in my opinion. Maybe they drugged her, beat her up to look like a robbery...many layers to throw PI's off the scent of the trail. There is another key player, also connected to MMovers who BG mentioned at trial, he's connected to Winter Hill Gang of yester-year--you remember don't you buzz? You use to bring it up all the time!
David Murphy was convicted of murder (decapitation/severing hands of a young man 21yr.old) along w/someone else, at the Holiday Inn, Charlestown/Som. line, a known mob hang out, served 10 yrs, got out six months before Christa's death.
Buzz [Member] writes:
I think it's time to put this one to bed. At the end of the day, he was tried and convicted. DNA and incriminating statements put him behind bars. If the judge rules that there are mitigating circumstances to overthrow his conviction.... so be it. Crusader, I think your confusing me with someone else, who from the Winter Hill gang did I bring up? Whitey Bulger?
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,
It's also a coincidence that Shirley Reine's murder was noted by law enforcement as a "professional hit". Her step son just happened to visit an ex-con murderer, in jail, again just days within her murder. They were seen at the 99 in Falmouth. Go read, "Murder she wrought" by Michele McPhee. I see a patern in the way these women were both killed. They don't have the balls to kill these women themselves, so they hire ex-cons killers to do it? Now the last step is connecting the BIG DOTS too the little dots. This murder was intentially multi-layered so that no one could find the real killers. Maybe the Cape element only covered it up. But I don't think so. Christa beat them at their own game, she was leaving town, someone made sure she didn't make it out the door. Time to take those blinders off--face it. Law enforcement, all the way up the chain covered up this crime, in my opinion. Either JF & DM did this, or just layed the groundwork for the real killer. There is probably one hellofa good reason her family was happy to see the black garbage man sent away & some locals.
It's also a coincidence that Shirley Reine's murder was noted by law enforcement as a "professional hit". Her step son just happened to visit an ex-con murderer, in jail, again just days within her murder. They were seen at the 99 in Falmouth. Go read, "Murder she wrought" by Michele McPhee. I see a patern in the way these women were both killed. They don't have the balls to kill these women themselves, so they hire ex-cons killers to do it? Now the last step is connecting the BIG DOTS too the little dots. This murder was intentially multi-layered so that no one could find the real killers. Maybe the Cape element only covered it up. But I don't think so. Christa beat them at their own game, she was leaving town, someone made sure she didn't make it out the door. Time to take those blinders off--face it. Law enforcement, all the way up the chain covered up this crime, in my opinion. Either JF & DM did this, or just layed the groundwork for the real killer. There is probably one hellofa good reason her family was happy to see the black garbage man sent away & some locals.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Youre damn right on Crusader! There is a very good reason, and I can only hope that all of it comes out. In fact, I CANT WAIT! At the very least, the Cape part of this butt covering mess. Oh, its coming...believe me, lots a very very nervous people around. Like cornered animals....DANGEROUS cornered animals....one of em gonna start singing....soon, Ill bet.
Buzz [Member] writes:
crusader, again, you're thoughts and ramblings are like a ping-pong ball all over the place. Your comparison to the Reine murder and Worthington is baseless. There are unfortunately many woman that are killed in the manner Christa was, raped and killed to cover it up. The comparisons and theories you put forward are just figments of your wild imagination. The evidence speaks for itself.
Buzz [Member] writes:
clamshelli,
Are you sure you and crusader aren't one in the same? Can we see a DNA test please?
"lots a very very nervous people around." WHO? Did you just make this up? WHO?
Are you sure you and crusader aren't one in the same? Can we see a DNA test please?
"lots a very very nervous people around." WHO? Did you just make this up? WHO?
crusader [Member] writes:
clamshelli,
Buzz wants names, yeah, okay. It isn't bad enough that many people who were encouraged to talk to police just happened to move away after the murder! What ever happened to CW's therapist? Moved away too? How fortunate for some.
Retired chief's, officers, the 3 jurors who testified to racial bias also live in other states.
Buzz, you cover for your local friends & rep. of CC tourism.
There are some of us who want the truth out--ALL OF IT! It's a matter of time before more people will suffer at the hands of these criminals. Most likely some will be women.
Former cop said, "that woman's murder uncovered the drug trafficking on lower Cape that they didn't want exposed"....I'm betting there are plenty involved.
I guess it's okay for a former assistant attorney general, who just happen to work next to "Bulger Country", had shacked up with a herion addicted prostitute, for many years....but his daughter couldn't have possibly slept with a black garbage man....
And just maybe when she started to see CM she said to hell with the rest!
Buzz wants names, yeah, okay. It isn't bad enough that many people who were encouraged to talk to police just happened to move away after the murder! What ever happened to CW's therapist? Moved away too? How fortunate for some.
Retired chief's, officers, the 3 jurors who testified to racial bias also live in other states.
Buzz, you cover for your local friends & rep. of CC tourism.
There are some of us who want the truth out--ALL OF IT! It's a matter of time before more people will suffer at the hands of these criminals. Most likely some will be women.
Former cop said, "that woman's murder uncovered the drug trafficking on lower Cape that they didn't want exposed"....I'm betting there are plenty involved.
I guess it's okay for a former assistant attorney general, who just happen to work next to "Bulger Country", had shacked up with a herion addicted prostitute, for many years....but his daughter couldn't have possibly slept with a black garbage man....
And just maybe when she started to see CM she said to hell with the rest!
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Buzz,
I happen to believe alot of what Crusader says, in fact, I believed this myself BEFORE ever reading anything from crusader. This is a very serious and dangerous matter. If you think for one minute that people are going to come forward, and put themselves in a position to be harrassed..or even worse, by local LE and others, in a very very small town. You're crazy. I told you, Buzz, Im sick and jones'n ciggaretts BAD, I cant play with you... I will lose my sweet personality.
I happen to believe alot of what Crusader says, in fact, I believed this myself BEFORE ever reading anything from crusader. This is a very serious and dangerous matter. If you think for one minute that people are going to come forward, and put themselves in a position to be harrassed..or even worse, by local LE and others, in a very very small town. You're crazy. I told you, Buzz, Im sick and jones'n ciggaretts BAD, I cant play with you... I will lose my sweet personality.
Buzz [Member] writes:
clamshelli, I admit it. Sometimes I just can't help myself. I'm guilty of egging you, cru and bitter on. But, I do it knowing that your all pretty much full of bull. All I do is respond to your outrageous claims and ask for some facts to back up those claims. Instead of getting an honest response from you three, conveniently you just jump on to another subject or theory. So not to have you loose your "sweet" personality, whatever that means, I'll simply ask you again: Who are these "cornered animals" and "nervous people". One simple question that deserves a response.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Buzz,
DOH, I think I already answered that question.....READ it AGAIN.
DOH, I think I already answered that question.....READ it AGAIN.
crusader [Member] writes:
Christa went searching for answers too, & look where she is today.
Buzz, you are either very dumb or trying to infuriate me to the point I will give up some names so you can pass it on to your friends, or the one's who are reading this right now.
Trust me, I have studied this case hard, from the summer of 02' when those words were spoken by my former boss, "the kid was asleep, the b*tch had it coming, & deserved what she got, she was trouble."
That tells me, "justified homicide & you outsiders will never learn what happened. It's our dirty little secret."
She must have stumbled upon something pretty ugly & someone had to silence her, permanently.
Frankly, I don't care if you don't believe anything I have to say. It's not you who has the power to do anything about it. It's the public that should be informed of the truth, so this doesn't happen again & those who did this have to pay for their crimes.
Drugs are an ugly business & your youth are turning into monsters. Just read your recent court logs.
Buzz, you are either very dumb or trying to infuriate me to the point I will give up some names so you can pass it on to your friends, or the one's who are reading this right now.
Trust me, I have studied this case hard, from the summer of 02' when those words were spoken by my former boss, "the kid was asleep, the b*tch had it coming, & deserved what she got, she was trouble."
That tells me, "justified homicide & you outsiders will never learn what happened. It's our dirty little secret."
She must have stumbled upon something pretty ugly & someone had to silence her, permanently.
Frankly, I don't care if you don't believe anything I have to say. It's not you who has the power to do anything about it. It's the public that should be informed of the truth, so this doesn't happen again & those who did this have to pay for their crimes.
Drugs are an ugly business & your youth are turning into monsters. Just read your recent court logs.
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru, I must be dumb, it seems I'm the only one left responding to your diarrhea. How easy and irresponsible is it for you to pull quotes out of your ass and pass them on as reason why CM was thrown in jail? How come you haven't hit BG over the head with his history of defending cops and prison guards?
clamshelli, I'll leave you here to validate cru's silly claims. Be careful not to start smoking again... she's pretty addictive.
clamshelli, I'll leave you here to validate cru's silly claims. Be careful not to start smoking again... she's pretty addictive.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Buzz,
You already admitted it, you get a kind of sadistic thrill "egging" us on. I wont argue this case with you anymore, Ill just stick to insulting you whenever I see the opportunity...OK? And thats more helpful to MY need to give someone some good ole WHOOPASS. Yeah, thats betta.
You already admitted it, you get a kind of sadistic thrill "egging" us on. I wont argue this case with you anymore, Ill just stick to insulting you whenever I see the opportunity...OK? And thats more helpful to MY need to give someone some good ole WHOOPASS. Yeah, thats betta.
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,
Yes, others have claimed that of me as well..
I know only too well of BG's clients, why do you think he took this case--HELLO? Anybody home, Buzz. This is a no brainer for those of us who know the relationships of MOB--LE--LAWYERS. Come on, Buzz, you must be kidding?
BG knows the world of LE inside & out seeing many were/are his clients, so are members of organized crime. He is lawyer. He defends who he wants, maybe he has he own reasons for taking this case. He believes CM is innocent. Maybe somebody wants the real murderers to fry.
The cop said, "they needed to contain the drug trafficking & her murder opened up a can of worms."
Read between the lines. The world of crime is just one big game of chess.
CM was their best pawn. I say bring down the evil king, but they may decide just to take out the middle game players instead. We'll have to see what happens.
Bob George is one of the most brilliant attorney's out there. I think he knows exactly how to play this out. And he's already been seasoned at the first trial.
One bitten, twice-not shy- you bite back harder.
Yes, others have claimed that of me as well..
I know only too well of BG's clients, why do you think he took this case--HELLO? Anybody home, Buzz. This is a no brainer for those of us who know the relationships of MOB--LE--LAWYERS. Come on, Buzz, you must be kidding?
BG knows the world of LE inside & out seeing many were/are his clients, so are members of organized crime. He is lawyer. He defends who he wants, maybe he has he own reasons for taking this case. He believes CM is innocent. Maybe somebody wants the real murderers to fry.
The cop said, "they needed to contain the drug trafficking & her murder opened up a can of worms."
Read between the lines. The world of crime is just one big game of chess.
CM was their best pawn. I say bring down the evil king, but they may decide just to take out the middle game players instead. We'll have to see what happens.
Bob George is one of the most brilliant attorney's out there. I think he knows exactly how to play this out. And he's already been seasoned at the first trial.
One bitten, twice-not shy- you bite back harder.
Buzz [Member] writes:
clamshelli,
What's up with the violent overtones? Have a cigarette for crying out loud. Nicotine is a terrible drug.
crusader, Let's let it go until (or if ever) there's a retrial or you have any legitimate evidence you'd like to discuss. For now, justice has spoken and the murderer is in jail. Sleep safe tonight.
What's up with the violent overtones? Have a cigarette for crying out loud. Nicotine is a terrible drug.
crusader, Let's let it go until (or if ever) there's a retrial or you have any legitimate evidence you'd like to discuss. For now, justice has spoken and the murderer is in jail. Sleep safe tonight.
capemom [Member] writes:
Buzz, I don't know why you bother trying to reason with the Holy Trinity of Irrational Delusions--clamshelli, cru, and bitter.
These chicks (I am guessing they are chicks, could be wrong though)are severely in need of brain upgrades and will bend fact to emotion 100% of the time.
Like most losers in free market capitalism, they resent anyone who is successful, affluent, or rich, even if the person earned it himself/herself.
In order to justify their own lack of success, they must invent "the man" keeping them down.
These chicks (I am guessing they are chicks, could be wrong though)are severely in need of brain upgrades and will bend fact to emotion 100% of the time.
Like most losers in free market capitalism, they resent anyone who is successful, affluent, or rich, even if the person earned it himself/herself.
In order to justify their own lack of success, they must invent "the man" keeping them down.
crusader [Member] writes:
capemom,
Wasn't it you who made that remark about Manso and the DA regarding their small ____?
Yes, we all want your sad, pathetic life. (barf)
You got a lot to learn about life & people. Why not pry yourself away from that computer for a while and let the bloggers say what they want. Those with vested interests--have conflicting interests and frankly it's bad for business.
Take a good look in the mirror--midlife crisis is a b*tch as they claim, why not do something about it? You don't have to be so freakin' miserable, your ugly slip is showing.
Wasn't it you who made that remark about Manso and the DA regarding their small ____?
Yes, we all want your sad, pathetic life. (barf)
You got a lot to learn about life & people. Why not pry yourself away from that computer for a while and let the bloggers say what they want. Those with vested interests--have conflicting interests and frankly it's bad for business.
Take a good look in the mirror--midlife crisis is a b*tch as they claim, why not do something about it? You don't have to be so freakin' miserable, your ugly slip is showing.
crusader [Member] writes:
Jeff,
Kevin Lord's arraingment was suppose to be today, right? Did the CCtimes forget to add his name to the crime log this week, or did he get a free pass?
Take a look at this finding: (Falmouth cop, chief's son)
CUSOLITO, Mark, 32, 42 Altons Way, East Falmouth; assault and battery, violating abuse prevention order Dec. 20 in Falmouth, guilty, two-year probation, counseling. Two counts of intimidating witness, continued two years without a finding. Threatening to commit crime (make false report of a crime), dismissed. Threatening to commit crime (assault and battery with dangerous weapon — car), dismissed.
Kevin Lord's arraingment was suppose to be today, right? Did the CCtimes forget to add his name to the crime log this week, or did he get a free pass?
Take a look at this finding: (Falmouth cop, chief's son)
CUSOLITO, Mark, 32, 42 Altons Way, East Falmouth; assault and battery, violating abuse prevention order Dec. 20 in Falmouth, guilty, two-year probation, counseling. Two counts of intimidating witness, continued two years without a finding. Threatening to commit crime (make false report of a crime), dismissed. Threatening to commit crime (assault and battery with dangerous weapon — car), dismissed.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Capemom,
Im sorry, I guess you have a reading comprehension problem. What does wealth have to do with anything? Or, with you,..does it have to do with EVERYTHING? Must be hard to pick that nose so high in the air huh?
Im sorry, I guess you have a reading comprehension problem. What does wealth have to do with anything? Or, with you,..does it have to do with EVERYTHING? Must be hard to pick that nose so high in the air huh?
Monponsett [Member] writes:
C.R.E.A.M., shelli...
bittersweet [Member] writes:
"I would have shot him 10 times for his abuse, and blocking every good thing."--
sateoftheunion
"Some people need killing, and sometimes it takes more than one bullet."--capemom
I wonder if these statements apply to police officer Cusolito as well, or just average civilians?
Did you know that the police are not told where women's safe houses are because so any of them are abusers themselves?
And, of course have all tools of the law at their disposal. With no oversight around here, that's a scary situation to be in for an abused woman.
Just shoot them. If they're an abuser, they deserve to die.
sateoftheunion
"Some people need killing, and sometimes it takes more than one bullet."--capemom
I wonder if these statements apply to police officer Cusolito as well, or just average civilians?
Did you know that the police are not told where women's safe houses are because so any of them are abusers themselves?
And, of course have all tools of the law at their disposal. With no oversight around here, that's a scary situation to be in for an abused woman.
Just shoot them. If they're an abuser, they deserve to die.
Monponsett [Member] writes:
A cop is the same as anyone else.... if he's attacking me and I have a gun... Boo Ya!
Although... if you're gonna shoot someone on Easter.... paint the bullets various shades of pastel before loading the gun. That way, it's sort of like an Easter Egg Hunt for the coroner as he removes the bullets.
Although... if you're gonna shoot someone on Easter.... paint the bullets various shades of pastel before loading the gun. That way, it's sort of like an Easter Egg Hunt for the coroner as he removes the bullets.
Buzz [Member] writes:
"After considering the testimony of twenty-seven (27) witnesses, the Grand Jury returned a no bill ending the prosecution of Dr. Gryboski"
bitter, clam, crusader, read the DA's press release. If you don't understand what drove this woman to protect herself and family, I don't know what to say.
bitter, clam, crusader, read the DA's press release. If you don't understand what drove this woman to protect herself and family, I don't know what to say.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Same thing that drives millions of women around the world....
But they must endure the due process of law. And those who, like her, have taken the law into their own hands are paying the price for it in a prison cell (Framingham 8).
She doesn't have to, because of her alleged friendship with the DA. What don't you see wrong about that?
Who is it that put those 27 witnesses on the stand?
The DA.
And what is the DA's usual procedure?
To put witnesses on AGAINST the defense.
They truly can indict a ham sandwich.
But not in this case.
Preferential justice. If she doesn't have to follow usual procedure, why should anyone else?
Especially since there was another side to this...one which the DA totally ignored and had "muzzled".(allegedly)
How would you feel if this were your b rother?
They are victims here too, aren't they?
Ignored victims.
Because they carry no clout.
ggggrrrrr
But they must endure the due process of law. And those who, like her, have taken the law into their own hands are paying the price for it in a prison cell (Framingham 8).
She doesn't have to, because of her alleged friendship with the DA. What don't you see wrong about that?
Who is it that put those 27 witnesses on the stand?
The DA.
And what is the DA's usual procedure?
To put witnesses on AGAINST the defense.
They truly can indict a ham sandwich.
But not in this case.
Preferential justice. If she doesn't have to follow usual procedure, why should anyone else?
Especially since there was another side to this...one which the DA totally ignored and had "muzzled".(allegedly)
How would you feel if this were your b rother?
They are victims here too, aren't they?
Ignored victims.
Because they carry no clout.
ggggrrrrr
Jeff [Member] writes:
a published quote: "Ann's brother Joe spoke yesterday to one of Lancaster's brothers, who lives in Maine and did not want to be identified. "He told me he and his family do not want to make a statement because they were told not to talk to anyone but police, the district attorney, and the defense attorney in the case," he said.
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Geez Buzz,
Bitter could not have explained my stand on that issue any clearer.. Due process, that is all. I am not saying one way or another, whether she was abused, or not, if he deserved it or not. DUE PROCESS...simple as that. The way it was done is just WRONG, and on so many levels. Did you get that?
Bitter could not have explained my stand on that issue any clearer.. Due process, that is all. I am not saying one way or another, whether she was abused, or not, if he deserved it or not. DUE PROCESS...simple as that. The way it was done is just WRONG, and on so many levels. Did you get that?
Buzz [Member] writes:
Are the three of you just miserable human beings that are sooooo unhappy with your lot in life your only reason for existence is to make others as miserable as you?
DUE PROCESS = Grand Jury Get it????
DUE PROCESS = Grand Jury Get it????
Buzz [Member] writes:
"As the son began to back into the kitchen, Dr. Gryboski took her gun from her purse which was on the floor. She told her husband to stop. He taunted her and began to move toward her saying, "You're so dead, you don't know what you started.""
Self-defense, grand jury thought so and so do "most" fair minded, intelligent people.
Self-defense, grand jury thought so and so do "most" fair minded, intelligent people.
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Who said that? Where did that information come from?
The wife and kid??
And we're supposed to believe it, why?
Where's the proof?
Good thing she isn't McCowen,and you give her the benefit of the doubt that what she says is true.
Good thing she doesn't have to prove it.
Which, by the way would be impossible, now wouldn't it?
There were three people there, but one of em's dead, so we just have to take their word for it, huh?
Funny how some people never get any benefit of the doubt. Even when there's no proof of anything alleged against them.
Yet, here you bend over backwards to circumvent the same awful treatment for her that you mete out to others.
You're the miserable human being Buzz.
You and the whole lot of what they have the nerve to call a criminal justice system.
The wife and kid??
And we're supposed to believe it, why?
Where's the proof?
Good thing she isn't McCowen,and you give her the benefit of the doubt that what she says is true.
Good thing she doesn't have to prove it.
Which, by the way would be impossible, now wouldn't it?
There were three people there, but one of em's dead, so we just have to take their word for it, huh?
Funny how some people never get any benefit of the doubt. Even when there's no proof of anything alleged against them.
Yet, here you bend over backwards to circumvent the same awful treatment for her that you mete out to others.
You're the miserable human being Buzz.
You and the whole lot of what they have the nerve to call a criminal justice system.
crusader [Member] writes:
Questions by HYANNIS NEWS- Lancaster
A local man is dead and Hyannis News has some questions (some of these are purposely in random order):
What actually caused the bruising to Ann Gryboski’s lip and eye? The defense paints one picture, but is it an accurate one?
Is the defendant, who is charged with murder, telling the truth about what drove her to pull the trigger last Easter Sunday? Did her statements change during the investigation?
Does Gryboski have a motive to not tell the truth?
Is Gryboski being treated for mental illness, depression, anxiety, or any other illness that may shed new light on her actions? Was Lancaster being treated for any illness that may shed light on his actions, whatever those actions may have been?
Why did Gryboski shoot her husband of almost thirty years? Was it the result of “self-defense,” “battered woman syndrome,” or was it premeditated murder... was the killing something Gryboski had been waiting to do for quite a while? Did she find last Easter Sunday to be an opportunity to settle a bad marriage once and for all?
A local man is dead and Hyannis News has some questions (some of these are purposely in random order):
What actually caused the bruising to Ann Gryboski’s lip and eye? The defense paints one picture, but is it an accurate one?
Is the defendant, who is charged with murder, telling the truth about what drove her to pull the trigger last Easter Sunday? Did her statements change during the investigation?
Does Gryboski have a motive to not tell the truth?
Is Gryboski being treated for mental illness, depression, anxiety, or any other illness that may shed new light on her actions? Was Lancaster being treated for any illness that may shed light on his actions, whatever those actions may have been?
Why did Gryboski shoot her husband of almost thirty years? Was it the result of “self-defense,” “battered woman syndrome,” or was it premeditated murder... was the killing something Gryboski had been waiting to do for quite a while? Did she find last Easter Sunday to be an opportunity to settle a bad marriage once and for all?
crusader [Member] writes:
Lancaster murder(hyannisnews)
Why did Gryboski have a license to carry guns? She told police one thing, but has anyone heard her make remarks about her using the license to obtain a weapon to protect herself from a specific threat?
Has anyone ever heard Gryboski talk about how she may have wanted Lancaster dead?
Has anyone ever heard Lancaster's son say he wanted his father killed?
Did Gryboski, a physician, have prior knowledge of the so-called “Battered Woman Syndrome” defense? Had she ever talked about that subject with any of her friends or patients?
What type of websites did Gryboski frequent?
Gryboski is a Doctor and mandated reporter; she knows the laws and resources available to domestic violence victims, why didn’t she call the police about her husband’s alleged abuse? If Lancaster was abusive to their sons, why didn’t she call the police for their sake? Did Gryboski ever report suspected abuse in her capacity as a physician? Did she ever council anyone to seek help for domestic abuse?
Did Gryboski have a lover? Did Lancaster have a lover?
Why did Gryboski have a license to carry guns? She told police one thing, but has anyone heard her make remarks about her using the license to obtain a weapon to protect herself from a specific threat?
Has anyone ever heard Gryboski talk about how she may have wanted Lancaster dead?
Has anyone ever heard Lancaster's son say he wanted his father killed?
Did Gryboski, a physician, have prior knowledge of the so-called “Battered Woman Syndrome” defense? Had she ever talked about that subject with any of her friends or patients?
What type of websites did Gryboski frequent?
Gryboski is a Doctor and mandated reporter; she knows the laws and resources available to domestic violence victims, why didn’t she call the police about her husband’s alleged abuse? If Lancaster was abusive to their sons, why didn’t she call the police for their sake? Did Gryboski ever report suspected abuse in her capacity as a physician? Did she ever council anyone to seek help for domestic abuse?
Did Gryboski have a lover? Did Lancaster have a lover?
crusader [Member] writes:
cont.-
Why are Lancaster’s friends not talking to the press at this time? Are they potential witnesses? Do they have evidence that will come forward at later date? Do they not trust the reporter they talked to that particular day? Are they thrown off by initial theories and wild speculation? Do they also have a story to tell?
Was Lancaster abusive? If so, was he so abusive that he deserved to die?
Was Gryboski ever abusive?
Has the son ever been abusive? Had he ever struck anyone in the face? Where was/ is the mother of the toddler?
Why did Gryboski wait to call 911 until after she fatally shot Lancaster?
How long had Lancaster’s body been dead on the living room floor prior to the arrival of police? What time was Lancaster actually shot? Are the shots from the same person holding the same weapon?
Is the physical evidence consistent with Gryboski firing the weapon? Could her son be responsible for discharging the weapon? Is it possible two people each fired one bullet from the same gun?
Why are Lancaster’s friends not talking to the press at this time? Are they potential witnesses? Do they have evidence that will come forward at later date? Do they not trust the reporter they talked to that particular day? Are they thrown off by initial theories and wild speculation? Do they also have a story to tell?
Was Lancaster abusive? If so, was he so abusive that he deserved to die?
Was Gryboski ever abusive?
Has the son ever been abusive? Had he ever struck anyone in the face? Where was/ is the mother of the toddler?
Why did Gryboski wait to call 911 until after she fatally shot Lancaster?
How long had Lancaster’s body been dead on the living room floor prior to the arrival of police? What time was Lancaster actually shot? Are the shots from the same person holding the same weapon?
Is the physical evidence consistent with Gryboski firing the weapon? Could her son be responsible for discharging the weapon? Is it possible two people each fired one bullet from the same gun?
crusader [Member] writes:
cont.
Did Gryboski know how her son would react when he saw the bruising on her face? Did she tell her son Lancaster caused the marks or did her son immediately assume?
What caused the couple to recently make their large house even larger by building on a significantly sized addition? Were Gryboski and Lancaster living in the same bedroom?
Did Gryboski ever consider divorcing her husband? Was Lancaster talking about divorcing her? The boys are both grown men in their twenties, why wasn’t divorce an option instead of killing? Who made more money? Who may have benefited financially from a divorce? How much was Gryboski worth? How much was Lancaster worth? Are there mitigating circumstances that would cause a divorce to be a particularly messy one in this case?
Do we know of actual problems reported to investigating officials (not rumors or gossip printed in the local “rag”) Was the relationship an unhappy one? If so, what kept a successful doctor with an abusive carpenter? Was the couple ever seen doing things together aside from walking the dogs?
Did Gryboski know how her son would react when he saw the bruising on her face? Did she tell her son Lancaster caused the marks or did her son immediately assume?
What caused the couple to recently make their large house even larger by building on a significantly sized addition? Were Gryboski and Lancaster living in the same bedroom?
Did Gryboski ever consider divorcing her husband? Was Lancaster talking about divorcing her? The boys are both grown men in their twenties, why wasn’t divorce an option instead of killing? Who made more money? Who may have benefited financially from a divorce? How much was Gryboski worth? How much was Lancaster worth? Are there mitigating circumstances that would cause a divorce to be a particularly messy one in this case?
Do we know of actual problems reported to investigating officials (not rumors or gossip printed in the local “rag”) Was the relationship an unhappy one? If so, what kept a successful doctor with an abusive carpenter? Was the couple ever seen doing things together aside from walking the dogs?
Buzz [Member] writes:
bitter, I got my info from the press release from the DA's office, you know, the guy that's so secretive he never speaks to Jeff?
Crusader, Keep reading Hyannis news for your info and then go on to the National Enquirer.
"What type of websites did Gryboski frequent" Are you serious? Read the DA's press release.
Crusader, Keep reading Hyannis news for your info and then go on to the National Enquirer.
"What type of websites did Gryboski frequent" Are you serious? Read the DA's press release.
crusader [Member] writes:
It has been said that abuse victims love their abusers so much they sometimes don’t take action. Did Gryboski arm herself out of love? Did she pull the trigger out of love? Could she have dialed 911 prior to the shooting out of love?
Did Lancaster’s recent emergency surgery change the couple's relationship?
Who trained Gryboski to shoot? Did she receive additional training? Did she always carry a handgun? How did she carry her gun? In her purse? Under a garment? Was she carrying a gun at home on Easter Sunday? Or did she have to go to a secure place, unlock the weapon, load it, bring it into the room before shooting? Where was the murder weapon prior to the shooting?
When she allegedly came upon her husband fighting with the son, did the husband see the gun? If he saw the gun why didn’t he stop? Why did he allegedly take a step toward her if she had a gun? Did he expect her to pull the trigger? Did she tell him to stop? Did she say anything before she pulled the trigger?
How fast was Lancaster on his feet after his recent emergency hip surgery?
Did Lancaster’s recent emergency surgery change the couple's relationship?
Who trained Gryboski to shoot? Did she receive additional training? Did she always carry a handgun? How did she carry her gun? In her purse? Under a garment? Was she carrying a gun at home on Easter Sunday? Or did she have to go to a secure place, unlock the weapon, load it, bring it into the room before shooting? Where was the murder weapon prior to the shooting?
When she allegedly came upon her husband fighting with the son, did the husband see the gun? If he saw the gun why didn’t he stop? Why did he allegedly take a step toward her if she had a gun? Did he expect her to pull the trigger? Did she tell him to stop? Did she say anything before she pulled the trigger?
How fast was Lancaster on his feet after his recent emergency hip surgery?
Buzz [Member] writes:
crusader, you ask a lot of questions, why don't you give us the answers?????????
Tell us that she "didn't" pull the trigger to protect herself and kids. Tell us she "wasn't" abused by this guy for years. Tell us he "hadn't" threatened her before.
Come on now, tell us. The grand jury spoke, enough of your questions, give us some answers... inquiring minds want to know.
Tell us that she "didn't" pull the trigger to protect herself and kids. Tell us she "wasn't" abused by this guy for years. Tell us he "hadn't" threatened her before.
Come on now, tell us. The grand jury spoke, enough of your questions, give us some answers... inquiring minds want to know.
crusader [Member] writes:
um...cont. Did Gryboski attempt any life saving measures? What sort of evidence has been found on their computers? Did Gryboski tell anyone she wanted him dead? Did she ever make any off-color remarks in reference to use of lethal force? When was the last time she practiced shooting? It was Easter at noon, where was the rest of the family? Did the son and father fight often? She works closely with patients in her practice, bruises are difficult to cover up… did anyone ever see anything? These questions could go on and on. And I find it important to ask as many questions as possible at this point in time. The media has jumped to many premature conclusions, and they may be right in every single one of them!
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