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An Open Letter To The President From A Cape Codder Who Voted For Bush
09/06/05 · 1:22 pm :: posted by Codfish Press
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By Greg O?Brien
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Mr. President: Your war in Iraq, if you don?t already know it, is over! You know, the war where you said Saddam had all those hidden nukes and weapons of mass destruction to annihilate us. Our troops, praise God, are coming home soon?among them, more than a third of the Louisiana and Mississippi National Guard that could otherwise have been on the front lines of a more vital campaign. You?ll get the word soon, I?m sure, in the next opinion poll after the final body count is taken along what was once the Gulf Coast?apparently the political backwaters of your administration.
I don?t get it, Mr. President. How come we can oust the mother of all evil in three days of ?shock and awe,? and yet the richest nation on earth can?t pluck scores of desperate Americans, most of them black men, women and children, off a stinking, steamy bridge in New Orleans before they dehydrate and life around them degenerates into anarchy and apocalypse? It took five days for a distant George Bush to find New Orleans, and six days for besieged Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff to declare the military had landed, only to brace us (in the wake of dead bodies bobbing the streets, lashed to sign posts, and trapped in the basements, bedrooms and attics of homes that will never see life again) for as ?ugly a scene? as you can possibly envision.
Hard to imagine, Mr. President, and thank you, Sir, for your timely and thoughtful observation the other day that ?the results are not acceptable.? Look, you can point all the fingers you want in this sleight of hand: you can blame local officials, some of them pathetic; you can blame the languid state of Louisiana; an abstracted Congress; or anyone else you want. But last time I checked, Mr. President, you were still the man. The buck?in this case the foul rising surge of Lake Pontchartrain?stops with you.
And if you can?t take care of business at home, you?re grounded. So go to your room and stay in the Oval Office until you can ease the collective shame and humiliation we all feel over ?how quickly the thin veneer of civilization can be stripped away,? as the Daily Mail of London put it. Stay there until you prevail upon your buddies in the oil industry, some of whom will pocket as much as $30 billion in profits this year, to stop their iniquitous corporate looting. Sit at your desk until you patch our failed Homeland Security apparatus, as porous as a Big Easy levee.
Many of us who voted for you, moderates without party affiliation, are nauseated. We don?t care what it takes to fix this. End the tax cuts. Trickle down, Mr. President, only trickles down into the pant cuffs of the wealthy. We have developed a deplorable caste system in this country of fat cats and untouchables. It?s time you got some religion on this.
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Codfish Press [Member] writes:
Since 1969,
I think you missed the point of the commentary. I voted for Bush twice! And I stand on my point that what happened in New Orleans, in terms of our lack of a quick response and failed leadership, was unconscionable.
I respect your opinion, and look forward to future responses from you on a variety of issues. Hope you continue writing; I enjoy the feeback, particularly when people don't agree, but no need to get personal.
O'B.
Codfish Press
I think you missed the point of the commentary. I voted for Bush twice! And I stand on my point that what happened in New Orleans, in terms of our lack of a quick response and failed leadership, was unconscionable.
I respect your opinion, and look forward to future responses from you on a variety of issues. Hope you continue writing; I enjoy the feeback, particularly when people don't agree, but no need to get personal.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Democrant [Member] writes:
A cheap shot at the president? You simply must be kidding, I mean the president himself, as O'Brien quoted, said that the results were not acceptable. I'm sure that the standard message that the buck stops anywhere other than George Bush's desk is still in order.
In fact the USS Bataan was sailing behind the hurricane and was ready to respond and never received orders from the president. As Lt Commander Kelly of NorthCom said- "So, we had things ready. The only caveat is: we have to wait until the president authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion; we have to wait for the president to give us permission."
Mind you, I think there is more that the Mayor and Governor could have done in advance, also. As the Times-Picayune mentioned in their editorial, they have no use for the whole bunch.
Now when you say that rescuers were being shot at, you are correct. It also underscores the inadequate number of personnel sent to secure the situation. To compare 9-11 with the destruction of New Orleans is apples and oranges. The scale of death and destruction is of a significant magnitude larger than 9-11. To make a comment that they walked off the job and quit makes it sound like in the middle of some lovely day, they bailed. When you are sure how you would react in the middle of an urban holocaust, feel free to pass judgment on others.
That you've missed the Mayor constantly in the streets of New Orleans, is fascinating. I guess the police, fire and other city personnel must have just been hanging out.
No, I'm not the least bit surprised you would turn your boat around. Facing reality doesn't appear anywhere in your comment.
In fact the USS Bataan was sailing behind the hurricane and was ready to respond and never received orders from the president. As Lt Commander Kelly of NorthCom said- "So, we had things ready. The only caveat is: we have to wait until the president authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion; we have to wait for the president to give us permission."
Mind you, I think there is more that the Mayor and Governor could have done in advance, also. As the Times-Picayune mentioned in their editorial, they have no use for the whole bunch.
Now when you say that rescuers were being shot at, you are correct. It also underscores the inadequate number of personnel sent to secure the situation. To compare 9-11 with the destruction of New Orleans is apples and oranges. The scale of death and destruction is of a significant magnitude larger than 9-11. To make a comment that they walked off the job and quit makes it sound like in the middle of some lovely day, they bailed. When you are sure how you would react in the middle of an urban holocaust, feel free to pass judgment on others.
That you've missed the Mayor constantly in the streets of New Orleans, is fascinating. I guess the police, fire and other city personnel must have just been hanging out.
No, I'm not the least bit surprised you would turn your boat around. Facing reality doesn't appear anywhere in your comment.
Codfish Press [Member] writes:
Democrant,
If Republicans don't begin to adjust their thinking on New Orleans and continue to stay locked on the defensive, they may end up handing the White House over to their enemy in the next election.
George Bush has thrown them under the bus on this.
O'B.
Codfish Press
If Republicans don't begin to adjust their thinking on New Orleans and continue to stay locked on the defensive, they may end up handing the White House over to their enemy in the next election.
George Bush has thrown them under the bus on this.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Peter Porcupine [Visitor] writes:
Mr. O'Brien:
Please consider characterizing your letter as from a person on Cape Cod, as from Cape Cod.
You do not speak for many of us.
Please consider characterizing your letter as from a person on Cape Cod, as from Cape Cod.
You do not speak for many of us.
Codfish Press [Member] writes:
Peter,
Good point! I've changed the heading, not the opinion.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Good point! I've changed the heading, not the opinion.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Since 1969 [Visitor] writes:
I simply don't think that the President is responsible for this debacle. Just today on CNN the mayor of New Orleans was saying how GW spoke with both the mayor and the Gov. of LA. According to him, and I find him rather suspect, GW went to the Gov with a plan and she said she needed 24 hours to decide what to do, meanwhile people were suffering.
To insist that the federal government just take over an entire state without the permission of the Gov. of that state is a clearly out of bounds, but it seems many think that should have been the policy. Remember that the people who live in a certain state are FIRST responsible to it's citizenry and if the problem is too large, as this one was, they call for the feds to help. Where is the LA National Guard? Why are all those buses sitting in 5 feet of water, when they could have evacuated thousands of people without transportation? Why wasn't there any food at the Superdome? It's not like New Orleans didn't know they could be in big trouble in the event of a hurricane, this was not an unforeseen event!
Granted Mississippi didn't have the floods but they still have horrific damage and the problems reported are far, far less. They have much better local leadership, IMO.
IMO most of the blame lies with the people and leaders of Louisiana. Of course some will come up with some sort of irrational reasoning that it's all GW's fault, be it Iraq, global warming, tax cuts, or the simple fact that he is a republican and therefore doesn't like black people.
To insist that the federal government just take over an entire state without the permission of the Gov. of that state is a clearly out of bounds, but it seems many think that should have been the policy. Remember that the people who live in a certain state are FIRST responsible to it's citizenry and if the problem is too large, as this one was, they call for the feds to help. Where is the LA National Guard? Why are all those buses sitting in 5 feet of water, when they could have evacuated thousands of people without transportation? Why wasn't there any food at the Superdome? It's not like New Orleans didn't know they could be in big trouble in the event of a hurricane, this was not an unforeseen event!
Granted Mississippi didn't have the floods but they still have horrific damage and the problems reported are far, far less. They have much better local leadership, IMO.
IMO most of the blame lies with the people and leaders of Louisiana. Of course some will come up with some sort of irrational reasoning that it's all GW's fault, be it Iraq, global warming, tax cuts, or the simple fact that he is a republican and therefore doesn't like black people.
Codfish Press [Member] writes:
Since 1969,
Your moniker, Since 1969, is a good one. Sounds like you haven't read a paper since then.
The Associated Press, hardly a bastion of liberal thought, has reported that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers last year sought $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New Orleans. The White House cut the request to $40 million, even after New Orleans had been identified by government agencies as the most vulnerable coastal city in America. Ultimately, $42.2 million was approved.
In contrast, the Bush Administration agreed to a $286.4 billion "pork-laden" highway bill, the AP reported, that included a $231 million bridge "to a small, uninhabited Alaskan island."
Alaska, as we know from reading the papers, is represented by Republican Congressman Don Young, chairman of the House Transportation Committee, and Republican Sen. Ted Stevens, a veteran member of the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee.
This debate over New Orleans is not "irrational reasoning that it's all GW's fault, be it Iraq, global warming, tax cuts, or the simple fact that he is a Republican and therefore doesn't like black people," as you sarcastically put it. It's about the fact that we've had a horrific lapse in leadership and communication that has cost the loss of thousands of additional lives.
I don't think the families of the dead want to hear about the excuses. They want answers, starting at the top.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Your moniker, Since 1969, is a good one. Sounds like you haven't read a paper since then.
The Associated Press, hardly a bastion of liberal thought, has reported that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers last year sought $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New Orleans. The White House cut the request to $40 million, even after New Orleans had been identified by government agencies as the most vulnerable coastal city in America. Ultimately, $42.2 million was approved.
In contrast, the Bush Administration agreed to a $286.4 billion "pork-laden" highway bill, the AP reported, that included a $231 million bridge "to a small, uninhabited Alaskan island."
Alaska, as we know from reading the papers, is represented by Republican Congressman Don Young, chairman of the House Transportation Committee, and Republican Sen. Ted Stevens, a veteran member of the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee.
This debate over New Orleans is not "irrational reasoning that it's all GW's fault, be it Iraq, global warming, tax cuts, or the simple fact that he is a Republican and therefore doesn't like black people," as you sarcastically put it. It's about the fact that we've had a horrific lapse in leadership and communication that has cost the loss of thousands of additional lives.
I don't think the families of the dead want to hear about the excuses. They want answers, starting at the top.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Since 1969 [Visitor] writes:
I happen to disagree with your characterization of the AP but that a different subject all together and so is the highway bill but when you can't rebut change the subject, so they say.
It is interesting to point out that the NY Times, which IS a bastion for liberal thought called the Levy project a pork barrel project and advocated it's funding be cut. That was five months ago. I am sure that you must have read that one.
With regard to the excuses, the only leader I see in this situation not making any excuses is GW, none that I heard of so far. Please do point out any he has made. I am sure you have read every paper in the country by now, sarcasm emphasized.
It is interesting to point out that the NY Times, which IS a bastion for liberal thought called the Levy project a pork barrel project and advocated it's funding be cut. That was five months ago. I am sure that you must have read that one.
With regard to the excuses, the only leader I see in this situation not making any excuses is GW, none that I heard of so far. Please do point out any he has made. I am sure you have read every paper in the country by now, sarcasm emphasized.
Codfish Press [Member] writes:
Since 1969,
I'll concede one thing: you write very well and to the point.
But I'm not sure what the New York Times or its coverage has to do with anything. And I never said Bush made excuses. He responded to the crisis late and then pointed a few vague fingers. None of them, I believe, were pointed at the Oval Office. But that's just from reading the newspapers...what do they know.
Enjoying the volley. Hope to hear again from you soon on this or another issue.
Thanks.
O'B.
Codfish Press
I'll concede one thing: you write very well and to the point.
But I'm not sure what the New York Times or its coverage has to do with anything. And I never said Bush made excuses. He responded to the crisis late and then pointed a few vague fingers. None of them, I believe, were pointed at the Oval Office. But that's just from reading the newspapers...what do they know.
Enjoying the volley. Hope to hear again from you soon on this or another issue.
Thanks.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Peter Porcupine [Visitor] writes:
Mr. O'Brien -
Are you aware that Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) pushed for $30 million in that highway bill and got it?
Where was SHE when the levee funds were cut by Congress?
Are you aware that Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) pushed for $30 million in that highway bill and got it?
Where was SHE when the levee funds were cut by Congress?
Andrew W. Bryden [Visitor] writes:
Your post would have been more appropriately titled, “Ignorant of the Real Problems, a Letter From Left Field.” I think you will be surprised at the backlash that will result from the politicizing of this catastrophe. Untold in your Presidential popularity polls is the anger many of us harbor toward the “blame America and the government first” crowd. These are the same people who blamed September eleventh on America and our government. Now, they have jumped on this tragedy in another attempt to encourage confrontation at a time when we should most be focused on cooperation.
This storm's destruction is unlike any we have ever seen. What purpose is there in laying blame or pointing fingers? Would the response have been different under a different administration at a different time? I think not! There was nothing political about this storm or its results. Disasters like this must be reacted to on a situational basis, and one would have to agree this is an extreme situation. Have there been errors and oversights? There certainly have, but the lack of preparedness and levy improvement monies are a matter of our priorities being screwed up as a country, not a reflection on our current administration.
You people say that you just want the President held accountable. Unfortunately, your anger is misdirected. The only indictment here should be on you and I. We have allowed our representatives (on both sides of the aisle) to become so embroiled in this petty partisan cold war, that little of importance to the American people can be accomplished. We have elected officials so concerned about special interests, bringing home the bacon in pork barrel spending, and how to finance their next campaign, that we have all been “thrown under the bus.” Priority number one should be protecting the American public from disaster, disease, crime and terrorism (foreign and domestic). Where have our priorities been? At least Bush has stayed true in the war on terrorism, but what of the other issues I mentioned and additional crises of important to us? Much of the monies that might be put to use in the remainder of these is squandered away on feel-good programs that accomplish little but creating more dependence on a government monster grown too big to handle. Pork barrel spending and a bureaucracy run-wild suck the coffers dry. The two sides are too divided and self-serving to work together at much of anything... unless it benefits them.
I have yet to see another party take up the challenge and unify behind a true message of progress. Were there some party of compromise, willing to tackle the issues based on public desire rather than their own personal crusades, they would garner my support. For now, however, my lifelong status as an Independent remains, and my support goes to the party that seems most concerned with protecting our lives and liberties. All of my concerns are secondary to the belief that America is great and should be protected at all cost.
We are all horrified at this disaster and its aftermath, but this does not blind us from the disgust that we feel toward people spinning this into a political attack. An honest analysis would tell us that the President is doing everything in his power to help the people affected by this storm. To suggest otherwise reeks of the worst kind of muck raking. Your popularity polls will not be with us in the voting booth when we are remembering this disgusting use of peoples' trauma as political
ammunition.
Editor's Note to Mr. Bryden: You are a frequent and obviuously well-informed and well-opinionated commenter to these blogs.
Why don't your let me set one up for you so many more surfers will read your thoughts. wb@ecape.com
This storm's destruction is unlike any we have ever seen. What purpose is there in laying blame or pointing fingers? Would the response have been different under a different administration at a different time? I think not! There was nothing political about this storm or its results. Disasters like this must be reacted to on a situational basis, and one would have to agree this is an extreme situation. Have there been errors and oversights? There certainly have, but the lack of preparedness and levy improvement monies are a matter of our priorities being screwed up as a country, not a reflection on our current administration.
You people say that you just want the President held accountable. Unfortunately, your anger is misdirected. The only indictment here should be on you and I. We have allowed our representatives (on both sides of the aisle) to become so embroiled in this petty partisan cold war, that little of importance to the American people can be accomplished. We have elected officials so concerned about special interests, bringing home the bacon in pork barrel spending, and how to finance their next campaign, that we have all been “thrown under the bus.” Priority number one should be protecting the American public from disaster, disease, crime and terrorism (foreign and domestic). Where have our priorities been? At least Bush has stayed true in the war on terrorism, but what of the other issues I mentioned and additional crises of important to us? Much of the monies that might be put to use in the remainder of these is squandered away on feel-good programs that accomplish little but creating more dependence on a government monster grown too big to handle. Pork barrel spending and a bureaucracy run-wild suck the coffers dry. The two sides are too divided and self-serving to work together at much of anything... unless it benefits them.
I have yet to see another party take up the challenge and unify behind a true message of progress. Were there some party of compromise, willing to tackle the issues based on public desire rather than their own personal crusades, they would garner my support. For now, however, my lifelong status as an Independent remains, and my support goes to the party that seems most concerned with protecting our lives and liberties. All of my concerns are secondary to the belief that America is great and should be protected at all cost.
We are all horrified at this disaster and its aftermath, but this does not blind us from the disgust that we feel toward people spinning this into a political attack. An honest analysis would tell us that the President is doing everything in his power to help the people affected by this storm. To suggest otherwise reeks of the worst kind of muck raking. Your popularity polls will not be with us in the voting booth when we are remembering this disgusting use of peoples' trauma as political
ammunition.
Editor's Note to Mr. Bryden: You are a frequent and obviuously well-informed and well-opinionated commenter to these blogs.
Why don't your let me set one up for you so many more surfers will read your thoughts. wb@ecape.com
Robert R, Dobbs [Visitor] writes:
You voted for him, as did all the mindless, self consumed anti-American fools who continue to support this traitor, a partisan hack who has shown that the only allegience he owes is to his corporate cronies. (Halliburton got the first federal contract for rebuilding, of course.) I blame you who voted for this idiot for all the idiocy he continues to commit and the descent of America into a repulsive, repressive corporate globalist feudalism. Bush's insane war of imperialism, his massive entitlements program for the rich and his redirection of funds needed for American infrastructure maintenance are directly responsible for the ineffectual performance of FEMA and the lack of resources to help thousands of American citizens in mortal danger. If the administration in charge is not responsible for protecting the citizens, who the hell is.
Andrew W. Bryden [Visitor] writes:
Your response demonstrates perfectly the problem at hand. You prefer to play the blame game and draw lines in the sand to focusing on our desperate need for unity and burying the partisan stupidity. "Ignore the real problems, lets focus on the crusade against corporate globalist feudalism."
In my eyes, America is worthy of our patriotic admiration. It seems you feel otherwise. The heroes who rushed in to begin rescuing these people were capable of looking beyond their own self-centered interests. They seem to know something about courage and self-sacrifice. It is unfortunate that these crusaders against America are incapable of the same.
Yet another example of why Americans have come to hate politics.
Editor's Note to Mr. Bryden: You are a frequent and obviuously well-informed and well-opinionated commenter to these blogs.
Why don't your let me set one up for you so many more surfers will read your thoughts. wb@ecape.com
In my eyes, America is worthy of our patriotic admiration. It seems you feel otherwise. The heroes who rushed in to begin rescuing these people were capable of looking beyond their own self-centered interests. They seem to know something about courage and self-sacrifice. It is unfortunate that these crusaders against America are incapable of the same.
Yet another example of why Americans have come to hate politics.
Editor's Note to Mr. Bryden: You are a frequent and obviuously well-informed and well-opinionated commenter to these blogs.
Why don't your let me set one up for you so many more surfers will read your thoughts. wb@ecape.com
Robert R. Dobbs [Visitor] writes:
Hey, Andrew, the republican partisan stupidity IS THE PROBLEM AT HAND. republicans appoint people who hate the UN to represent us at the UN, they appoint people who hate the judiciary to be the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, they appoint a partisan party hack to run FEMA into the dirt. republicans are THE PARTY OF PARTISAN, BLAME GAME, NO RESPONSIBILITY TAKING, SELF AGGRANDIZING TRAITORS TO THE COUNTRY. republicans drew the lines in the sand (we're either with THEM or we are with the "terrorists") and democrats don't have the guts to call these psychos on their self serving treason. You hate politics? Then shut up and live with what ignoring politics and allowing coporate "citizens" to buy the government has delivered to America. I am a real patriot that believes that America is about ALL THE CITIZENS, not just the rich and the corporations. All that "unity" after 9/11 did a hell of a lot of good, didn't it? YOU, Andrew, are the real "crusader against America". Bush is NOT AMERICA and he is NOT IN SUPPORT OF ALL OF AMERICA. You need to pull your head out of the sand and see who the REAL PATRIOTS are, and you are not one of them.
Anonymous [Visitor] writes:
Mr. O'Brien, all I can say is what took you so long? Its the frustration of so many of us to watch as this president has managed to pull the wool over the eyes of way too many Americans.
This is a president who has been busy dismantling some of our most cherished institutions; who refuses to see that global warming as a real problem; who has been giving the loggers access to old growth forests; who flips the bird to our long time allies because they questioned the merits[correctly]the invasion of Iraq for the reasons he cited; who grants the wealthy tax cuts as we go into recession and a war simultaneously; who gives the oil industry a subsidies at a time when they are generating great profits. The list is a long one and gets longer by the day.
The lies, the deceptions, the manipulating of the American people......it has got to stop before more damage is done.
Keep standing up and letting your voice be heard.......its the only way I know to stop this juggernaut.
ted/seattle
This is a president who has been busy dismantling some of our most cherished institutions; who refuses to see that global warming as a real problem; who has been giving the loggers access to old growth forests; who flips the bird to our long time allies because they questioned the merits[correctly]the invasion of Iraq for the reasons he cited; who grants the wealthy tax cuts as we go into recession and a war simultaneously; who gives the oil industry a subsidies at a time when they are generating great profits. The list is a long one and gets longer by the day.
The lies, the deceptions, the manipulating of the American people......it has got to stop before more damage is done.
Keep standing up and letting your voice be heard.......its the only way I know to stop this juggernaut.
ted/seattle
Since 1969 [Visitor] writes:
Some pretty tuff comments Robert, and I disagree with you completely because you are wrong but I am not going to get into it because I think your a little less than stable.
Andrew W. Bryden [Visitor] writes:
The true American patriot sees value in the American way of life and understands what the pursuit of happiness means to us and those who wish to adopt our way of life. This, I am afraid, is a quality and understanding that Mr. Dobbs is sorely lacking.
Again, twisting this tragedy into a political game is inexcusable. You know nothing of patriotism.
Again, twisting this tragedy into a political game is inexcusable. You know nothing of patriotism.
Democrant [Member] writes:
Fascinating that when Dobbs makes the point about the "no responsibility taking" GOP, the heads of dissent to that opinion go right back into the sand. There was nothing more fascinating than watching Senator Vitter from LA berate the federal response a couple of days after the disaster, only to high tail it off that criticism a few days later, I'm certain after he heard back from the Rove Gang. The fact is that the entity with the most resources available was the federal government and it was slow to react, costing lives.
Codfish Press [Member] writes:
Peter,
As you correctly note above, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La) is a local and significant cog in this problem. But bigger wheels in Washingon were napping, too.
O'B.
Codfish Press
As you correctly note above, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La) is a local and significant cog in this problem. But bigger wheels in Washingon were napping, too.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Codfish Press [Member] writes:
Andrew,
Your comments read like sound bytes from George Bush. It's not that I don't agree with some of your points, but who's in charge here--you, me or Bush?
O'B.
Codfish Press
Your comments read like sound bytes from George Bush. It's not that I don't agree with some of your points, but who's in charge here--you, me or Bush?
O'B.
Codfish Press
Robert R. Dobbs [Visitor] writes:
Senator Landrieu has been calling attention to the need for levee improvements since before the Bush administration vetoed the $145mil Corps of Engineers project that would have protected the city from the flooding that occurred AFTER the hurricane passed. The monies were diverted to Iraq and we all know what a great investment that was for this country. I fail to see how she is part of the problem. You Bush sycophants have ceded the country over to the corporations and the super rich. How is abdicating responsiblity for the direction of this country patriotism?
Codfish Press [Member] writes:
Robert,
That's my point, as I note in my Open Letter to the President. I do, however, think Sen. Landrieu bears some responsibility for not banging the drum louder. Perhaps she couldn't find the right sticks.
Good comment on ceding the country to corporations and the super rich. We've lost the middle class, the soul of our society.
O'B.
Codfish Press
That's my point, as I note in my Open Letter to the President. I do, however, think Sen. Landrieu bears some responsibility for not banging the drum louder. Perhaps she couldn't find the right sticks.
Good comment on ceding the country to corporations and the super rich. We've lost the middle class, the soul of our society.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Bandana [Visitor] writes:
I've read the comments, listened to the pros and cons, the sides, the blame, the false comparisons, the opinions and the judgments. None of you get it. People are dead and there is no bringing them back. I just got home here in florida from what used to be Biloxi. There is no Biloxi anymore. I've served in a few conflictrs and have participated in and seen the awesome destruction and devestation that war can bring, yet the sum of all I've seen in war pales to the destruction this storm has brought. It just doesn't matter who was wrong or who was to blame or who profits and who loses and who is in charge and who isn't. 911 was a tradgedy and horror but New York still stood. Katrina was a tradgedy and horror and New Orleans and Biloxi and several other towns don't exist anymore. Yet in this hour of great need, the voices who care sing loudly, be they for or against, be they judgemental, be they angry; no matter which perspective and view, they all care, you all care no matter your viewpoint. And that my friends, is what makes me certain that this is the greatest country with the greatest people, for all your disagreement on the causes, you will put that aside and lend a hand. God bless you all, you are a people worth serving and worth dieing for. Of that, I have no doubt.
Stand Yer Ground, Bandana (USAF)
Stand Yer Ground, Bandana (USAF)
Robert R. Dobbs [Visitor] writes:
Bandana, God bless you for your service to this country. Your take on the plight of Biloxi and Gulfport and all the little towns that no longer exist is right on the money. The destruction of New Orleans, however, did not have to happen and was brought on by the policies of the Bush administration that did not consider the safety of the people of New Orleans and the port of New Orleans to be worth $145mil in levee maintenance that would have prevented the disasterous flooding that happened AFTER the storm passed. It is my responsibility as a citizen to make sure the priorities of this country are to protect the citizens, rich and poor, and not just the rich, not just the corporations that buy the elections now. When you served in conflict, you protected us all, and I expect no less from our elected officials.
Democrant [Member] writes:
Bandana- you make some legit points as to the need to focus on helping people. It is not to say that helping people is mutually exclusive of an emerging critical analysis of what happened and why. Both can and should happen. I'm not interested in making the same mistakes more than once. And when there is a matter of errors in human judgment, that too needs to be factored in to that analysis.
Andrew W. Bryden [Visitor] writes:
A patriot is defined as "one who loves and defends his or her country." Bandana is a fine example of this. Were any of us listening when he said we just don't get it? All you can reply is, "you make some legit points"!? His is the only point that really matters here. He is a victim in this... not us!
Since 1969 [Visitor] writes:
I agree Bandana and this should be about the people and not about pointing fingers. It's hard to believe that someone busy blaming everyone for the situation really cares about what happened and what is happening, as if we could go back in time.
At least I have learned one thing. I now know who the nuts are!
At least I have learned one thing. I now know who the nuts are!
Since 1969 [Visitor] writes:
Codfish
I just happened to look at the header from this page and it says, "To The President From A Cape Codder Who Voted For Bush."
So that means that you must feel that Kerry would have done a worse job during the current crisis or your are completely full of bullsite. Not that we could debate the issue because it can never happen, but I wonder why would you say you voted for Bush and not Kerry or maybe Gore.
I think I know why:
A. It can't be proven otherwise
B. It gives you credibility with the kooks
C. It makes you feel that your really not a liberal reporter.
D. ALL OF THE ABOVE.
I think the answer is D.
Stop the niceties, I am certainly not your friend and you should not patronize me. I think I may be much smarter than you are, as a matter of fact I am sure of it.
I just happened to look at the header from this page and it says, "To The President From A Cape Codder Who Voted For Bush."
So that means that you must feel that Kerry would have done a worse job during the current crisis or your are completely full of bullsite. Not that we could debate the issue because it can never happen, but I wonder why would you say you voted for Bush and not Kerry or maybe Gore.
I think I know why:
A. It can't be proven otherwise
B. It gives you credibility with the kooks
C. It makes you feel that your really not a liberal reporter.
D. ALL OF THE ABOVE.
I think the answer is D.
Stop the niceties, I am certainly not your friend and you should not patronize me. I think I may be much smarter than you are, as a matter of fact I am sure of it.
Bandana [Visitor] writes:
Thank you for your comments. Something I learned through the years, was that it was much easier to act and help in foreign countries than here in the USA. Active duty troops aren't alowed to act in the country without a whole lot of red tape cut. I learned this lesson well during Hurricane Andrew. By law we were not allowed to prevent any criminal activity except on federal property. The only legal way I could allow civilians looking for help on Homestead AFB was to declare an open house and modified air show. It saved me from a court martial. Active duty can't do one thing until requested, can't use initiative like we can in foreign countries. We had all kinds of help waiting and ready to roll in and fly in, from every branch of the service. All the rapid deployment forces had stuff available but until ordered in they had to sit. It took Fema 5 days to make the decision and it became obvious that no one was in overall charge. Command and control sucked. The same thing happened during Katrina. It was a multi jurisdictional issue with different state laws and governors to deal with. It's an easy thing to fix, ask any first year enlisted troop. I don't know if anyone remembers this but at the same time Andrew was churning up south florida, typhoon Omar destroyed most of Guam and wiped out one of our sister units. We were able to get them back up and running in 4 days including flying time. Our sister unit was back to combat ready in two weeks. It came down to authority and command and control. I find it odd that people think that the guard units can respond right away. It's harder for the guard units because they have to be ordered on duty and then its takes time to notify them all and get them in. Remember, they are part time and have to report in and it takes time. The guard and reserve are very organized and very capable but not readily available. If the area they live in loses its communications, it's that much harder to get them in when ordered. Fortunately are guard units are manned with people who show up during a crisis even if they haven't been notified, they do it out of pocket. They don't get paid until they have been ordered in. During Andrew my pay never stopped. The guard guys who showed up at Homestead on their own without being ordered in didn't start getting any pay for five days. No one told them to come in, they came in on their own and jumped right in. I don't know what the answers are but I know what I would do.
I don't understand why that levee was never brought up to the standard it needed to be. I do know that it's been that way much longer than Bush has been in office. But there is much that happens that makes little sense to me. I've come to the conclusion that our leaders reflect the way we drive. It makes little sense to let that levee go and just as little sense to tailgate someone and drive so aggressively and without concern for fellow travelers. More people will be killed on the highways this year than were killed by Katrina. Like I said, dead is dead and they ain't coming back.
But all that aside, I marvel at how all of you will argue back and forth about these issues while jointly working to help. Whatever yer opinion, you are digging deep and agree that help is needed and help is on the way. And if nobody ever told you this then let me say it loudly, "YOU ARE AN AMERICAN". Now look yerself in the mirror and say "I am an American", you damn sure have earned it this day.
You'll have to excuse me now as Ophelia is calling and my daughter is in college in St. Augustine.
Stand Yer Ground, Bandana
I don't understand why that levee was never brought up to the standard it needed to be. I do know that it's been that way much longer than Bush has been in office. But there is much that happens that makes little sense to me. I've come to the conclusion that our leaders reflect the way we drive. It makes little sense to let that levee go and just as little sense to tailgate someone and drive so aggressively and without concern for fellow travelers. More people will be killed on the highways this year than were killed by Katrina. Like I said, dead is dead and they ain't coming back.
But all that aside, I marvel at how all of you will argue back and forth about these issues while jointly working to help. Whatever yer opinion, you are digging deep and agree that help is needed and help is on the way. And if nobody ever told you this then let me say it loudly, "YOU ARE AN AMERICAN". Now look yerself in the mirror and say "I am an American", you damn sure have earned it this day.
You'll have to excuse me now as Ophelia is calling and my daughter is in college in St. Augustine.
Stand Yer Ground, Bandana
Paul Bernard [Visitor] writes:
Mr. Blowfish....I'm sorry, codfish,
Why don't you take a look at the following link and then tell me who's to blame for the way the hurricane was handled.
The facts are out there, sometimes you just have to look for them.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
Why don't you take a look at the following link and then tell me who's to blame for the way the hurricane was handled.
The facts are out there, sometimes you just have to look for them.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
Mr Mike [Visitor] writes:
Since 1969 says;
"I think I may be much smarter than you are, as a matter of fact I am sure of it."
What a blowhard! That's when you know when you've lost an argument. Maybe you and Barbara Bush can get together and laugh at all of the poor people who've lost everything. Of course, let's not forget the FACT that GW can't wipe his ass without Karl Rove's permission, either. The buck stops at the President's desk, no matter how much you try to spin it.
I bet you and the rest of your right-wing kook friends have a pool going as to when the 2000th American solider will die in Iraq. I'm sure you and your buddies will get your rocks off over that while spending your undeserved tax cut!
"I think I may be much smarter than you are, as a matter of fact I am sure of it."
What a blowhard! That's when you know when you've lost an argument. Maybe you and Barbara Bush can get together and laugh at all of the poor people who've lost everything. Of course, let's not forget the FACT that GW can't wipe his ass without Karl Rove's permission, either. The buck stops at the President's desk, no matter how much you try to spin it.
I bet you and the rest of your right-wing kook friends have a pool going as to when the 2000th American solider will die in Iraq. I'm sure you and your buddies will get your rocks off over that while spending your undeserved tax cut!
CapeMom [Visitor] writes:
Codfish, your describing the state of Louisiana as "languid" is both kind and accurate. The city's infrastucture has always been a mess and all systems failed simultaneously under Katrina. Local authorites need to shoulder some of the blame for this.
But it's awfully difficult to convince local voters to fund infrastructure or other expensive, intangible things that they think are not necessary. Many southern states have an an agriculturally-based economy (i.e., they don't have as much money as the northeast or west coast), and subsequently their population is in general more poor and uneducated than in Massachusetts, for example. It's doubly difficult to convince the ruling class in the American South to pay more taxes to pay for infrastructure to protect them from something that's primarily a threat for the poor and unevacuated.
So this is where the federal government has an important role. State's rights are to be respected, but sometimes states do not have the funding or the taxpayer support to do what's good for them. If you think I sound patronizing, I most certainly am, because I am from the American South, where taxpayers for decades consistently voted against any and all increased funding for schools, and guess what--they have the worst schools in the nation.
Only in the last decade have the public schools in the South even begun to pull themselves out of this vicious cycle and show some improvement, and this was due to Federal tax dollars and regulations put in place by both the Clinton and Bush administrations, with the support of the American taxpayer. So in the case of Katrina, I think the federal funding should have been in place to improve the levees, and I think FEMA should have put pressure (with funding behind it) on Mayor Nagin and the governor to address the risk that a hurricane of this magnitude would pose, because right now it's a problem for all Americans.
What other highly populated and/or economically important areas are not doing what they should to protect themselves from natural disasters? FEMA should be all over them like flies at a barbecue.
But it's awfully difficult to convince local voters to fund infrastructure or other expensive, intangible things that they think are not necessary. Many southern states have an an agriculturally-based economy (i.e., they don't have as much money as the northeast or west coast), and subsequently their population is in general more poor and uneducated than in Massachusetts, for example. It's doubly difficult to convince the ruling class in the American South to pay more taxes to pay for infrastructure to protect them from something that's primarily a threat for the poor and unevacuated.
So this is where the federal government has an important role. State's rights are to be respected, but sometimes states do not have the funding or the taxpayer support to do what's good for them. If you think I sound patronizing, I most certainly am, because I am from the American South, where taxpayers for decades consistently voted against any and all increased funding for schools, and guess what--they have the worst schools in the nation.
Only in the last decade have the public schools in the South even begun to pull themselves out of this vicious cycle and show some improvement, and this was due to Federal tax dollars and regulations put in place by both the Clinton and Bush administrations, with the support of the American taxpayer. So in the case of Katrina, I think the federal funding should have been in place to improve the levees, and I think FEMA should have put pressure (with funding behind it) on Mayor Nagin and the governor to address the risk that a hurricane of this magnitude would pose, because right now it's a problem for all Americans.
What other highly populated and/or economically important areas are not doing what they should to protect themselves from natural disasters? FEMA should be all over them like flies at a barbecue.
Paul Bernard [Visitor] writes:
Mr. Mike,
Why all the anger? We all know that President Bush created this hurricane to drive-up prices for his "rich" oil buddies. As a matter of fact, I think he borrowed Carl Rove's fan to get the thing started. Remember, he was in Texas so he probably just aimed it across the gulf.
And your comment about the soldier (I know your smarter than everyone, but you spelled soldier wrong) again, you're absolutley right, we have started a pool, it's called "the right-wing kook, 2000th American soldier death pool" you can pay now, or use your undeserved tax cut.
How ignorant you must be!
Why all the anger? We all know that President Bush created this hurricane to drive-up prices for his "rich" oil buddies. As a matter of fact, I think he borrowed Carl Rove's fan to get the thing started. Remember, he was in Texas so he probably just aimed it across the gulf.
And your comment about the soldier (I know your smarter than everyone, but you spelled soldier wrong) again, you're absolutley right, we have started a pool, it's called "the right-wing kook, 2000th American soldier death pool" you can pay now, or use your undeserved tax cut.
How ignorant you must be!
Real Texan [Visitor] writes:
From experience a "party boy" with a hangover is never reliable in any circumstance, much less in a crisis.
For the few of us who tried to get the word out that George Bush, with the aid of boorish Karl Rove, took our state with a huge treasury surplus and left us with a l00 million deficit. He also left so legislature in place that his named governor, "good hair" Perry has continued to rob our state. With Bush's parentage all should know the acorn does not fall from the tree. You can expect to receive what is not there.
We are now left with only the prayer that never a nother Bush tries to take over our great country.
For the few of us who tried to get the word out that George Bush, with the aid of boorish Karl Rove, took our state with a huge treasury surplus and left us with a l00 million deficit. He also left so legislature in place that his named governor, "good hair" Perry has continued to rob our state. With Bush's parentage all should know the acorn does not fall from the tree. You can expect to receive what is not there.
We are now left with only the prayer that never a nother Bush tries to take over our great country.
Mr. Mike [Visitor] writes:
Hey Paul Bernard.
I never claimed I was smarter than anyone else. That was your buddy Since 1969. Also, I didn't blame GW for starting any hurricane, so your little attempt at sarcasm fell flat. So why don't you go home and wave your little pom-poms for the Kennebunkport Cowboy and root for this country to fall deeper into the abyss as your heroes Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, and Bill O'Reilly fan your flames. Such intellectuals, just like you!
I never claimed I was smarter than anyone else. That was your buddy Since 1969. Also, I didn't blame GW for starting any hurricane, so your little attempt at sarcasm fell flat. So why don't you go home and wave your little pom-poms for the Kennebunkport Cowboy and root for this country to fall deeper into the abyss as your heroes Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, and Bill O'Reilly fan your flames. Such intellectuals, just like you!
Paul Bernard [Visitor] writes:
Hey Mad Mike,
Why all the anger?
Thank's for the compliment. That's the first time anyone called "me" an intellect. Must have been those two years spent at the Community College. Which by the way, I paid for myself. No trust fund baby here.
And there not "my" heroes Mikey, your my hero!
Why all the anger?
Thank's for the compliment. That's the first time anyone called "me" an intellect. Must have been those two years spent at the Community College. Which by the way, I paid for myself. No trust fund baby here.
And there not "my" heroes Mikey, your my hero!
Queen B [Visitor] writes:
Great article...you said it perfectly...how could in this great country such a disaster occur without quick help from all angles...and definitely the buck stops with Bush,,,this was a disaster waiting to happen for many years and nobody cared...because all that it would seem to affect would be all those thousands of poor,sick and elderly people who couldn't afford to live on high ground. Mr. Bush became president because of fat oil cats here and around the world not because of his humanistic philosophy or popularity...money can buy anthing ...that's why those poor people are suffering and dying..they have no money or help
impeachgw [Visitor] writes:
I see it as my duty as a Patriot to march on Washington against this slacker president and his entire agenda on September 24- I know that the current events have made this march of thousands even larger.
Mr. Mike [Visitor] writes:
Paul Bernard:
You went to Community College?!? That's like the 13th grade, isn't it? Did you have your own locker and a place you could hang outside the cafeteria and smoke with all the cool kids? And you paid for all it by yourself? I didn't know stamping hands at the local pool paid that much.
Enjoy your misery in Bush World!
You went to Community College?!? That's like the 13th grade, isn't it? Did you have your own locker and a place you could hang outside the cafeteria and smoke with all the cool kids? And you paid for all it by yourself? I didn't know stamping hands at the local pool paid that much.
Enjoy your misery in Bush World!
Codfish Press [Member] writes:
To all,
Bandara (USAF) is correct. "The voices who care sing loudly." No matter what the opinion.
I appreciate the comments. Keep it up.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Bandara (USAF) is correct. "The voices who care sing loudly." No matter what the opinion.
I appreciate the comments. Keep it up.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Codfish Press [Member] writes:
Queen B,
You seem to have grasped what some others have missed here: the buck stops with Bush!
It's a simple concept that dates back to George Washington.
O'B.
Codfish Press
You seem to have grasped what some others have missed here: the buck stops with Bush!
It's a simple concept that dates back to George Washington.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Codfish Press [Member] writes:
Cape Mom,
Thanks. Your comments are on target.
States' Rights are key to our democracy, but when individual states cannot properly care for the public safety, welfare and education of their citizens, they ought to surrender those rights to the federal government.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Thanks. Your comments are on target.
States' Rights are key to our democracy, but when individual states cannot properly care for the public safety, welfare and education of their citizens, they ought to surrender those rights to the federal government.
O'B.
Codfish Press
Paul Bernard [Visitor] writes:
Mr. Mike,
My Mom's proud of what I accomplished with my "13th" grade education.
And no, I didn't smoke silly. I'm not wound tight like you. But I did take the money I saved on not buying cigarettes and invested in Haliburton. WOW, have I made a lot of money of them. What a great company. Who ever thought GW would become President (you know, after snorting all the coke) and start an unjust war and have Haliburton come in and clean-up.
Mikey, isn't America great? And you thought you'd be better off staying at home collecting food stamps.
Why you soooooooo angry Mikey?
Signed,
Fat and Happy on Cape Cod
My Mom's proud of what I accomplished with my "13th" grade education.
And no, I didn't smoke silly. I'm not wound tight like you. But I did take the money I saved on not buying cigarettes and invested in Haliburton. WOW, have I made a lot of money of them. What a great company. Who ever thought GW would become President (you know, after snorting all the coke) and start an unjust war and have Haliburton come in and clean-up.
Mikey, isn't America great? And you thought you'd be better off staying at home collecting food stamps.
Why you soooooooo angry Mikey?
Signed,
Fat and Happy on Cape Cod
Mr. Mike [Visitor] writes:
Paul Bernard:
I'm not angry at all. I've got a great family, the weather's been terrific, and my job is going well. I just enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy of Bush-ites who will do anything to shift the blame from their own efforts to someone else. I'm sure you're just thrilled paying $3.50 a gallon for gas. I'm sure you're over the moon that we "liberated" Iraq. I'm sure you're hot and bothered that we've got Osama Bin Laden "cornered."
You know, at this point even Herbert Hoover can beat GW in an election. But hey, life is good for the right-wing kooks.
Have fun on the wind farm, Paulie! Maybe it'll blow away the stench coming out of your mouth.
Signed,
Thin and Thrilled in Falmouth
I'm not angry at all. I've got a great family, the weather's been terrific, and my job is going well. I just enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy of Bush-ites who will do anything to shift the blame from their own efforts to someone else. I'm sure you're just thrilled paying $3.50 a gallon for gas. I'm sure you're over the moon that we "liberated" Iraq. I'm sure you're hot and bothered that we've got Osama Bin Laden "cornered."
You know, at this point even Herbert Hoover can beat GW in an election. But hey, life is good for the right-wing kooks.
Have fun on the wind farm, Paulie! Maybe it'll blow away the stench coming out of your mouth.
Signed,
Thin and Thrilled in Falmouth
Real Texan [Visitor] writes:
Paul in answering Mike, states he did not smoke himself silly which is commendable.
However, using the same old right wingers style of immediately making snide personal attacks assuming all liberal, tolerant people are on welfare and collecting food stamps. Not so, we are mostly hard working, God loving individuals and know that Jesus was
a liberal. He loved the poor, the sinner as well as the pious and urged us all to love one another and feed the hungry. Something it appears you do not approve, Paul.
Looking at facts, Paul, you are right, G.W. did a lot of drug use, by his own admission, as well as being an alcoholic until he was 40 years of age. Both items damage the brain cells. He did not live up to the code of Air Force Officer Cadets, from which he went awol, which is .. "I will not lie, cheat or steal."
It seems he favored the ethics of the "Skull and Bones."
By looking up facts you can learn a lot.
Also, Mike, no one should denigrate a
Community College. They offer a continuing education for many who wish to better their life style.
However, using the same old right wingers style of immediately making snide personal attacks assuming all liberal, tolerant people are on welfare and collecting food stamps. Not so, we are mostly hard working, God loving individuals and know that Jesus was
a liberal. He loved the poor, the sinner as well as the pious and urged us all to love one another and feed the hungry. Something it appears you do not approve, Paul.
Looking at facts, Paul, you are right, G.W. did a lot of drug use, by his own admission, as well as being an alcoholic until he was 40 years of age. Both items damage the brain cells. He did not live up to the code of Air Force Officer Cadets, from which he went awol, which is .. "I will not lie, cheat or steal."
It seems he favored the ethics of the "Skull and Bones."
By looking up facts you can learn a lot.
Also, Mike, no one should denigrate a
Community College. They offer a continuing education for many who wish to better their life style.
Paul Bernard [Visitor] writes:
Dear Real Texan.
You're absolutley right. I'm sure Mr. Mike and I have taken this thing a little to far. However, I was responding to some of his personal attacts.
But it seems Mike has an axe to grind with anyone who may support the President. They're labeled "kooks" and "get their rocks off when American soldiers get killed. He sounds like a real class act.
Texan, just take a look at some of his recent posts. And you claim it's the "old right wingers" style of making snide personal attacks?
You're absolutley right. I'm sure Mr. Mike and I have taken this thing a little to far. However, I was responding to some of his personal attacts.
But it seems Mike has an axe to grind with anyone who may support the President. They're labeled "kooks" and "get their rocks off when American soldiers get killed. He sounds like a real class act.
Texan, just take a look at some of his recent posts. And you claim it's the "old right wingers" style of making snide personal attacks?
Mr. Mike [Visitor] writes:
Dear Paul Barnard:
Yes, I am a "class act." I do all that I can to help my fellow citizens, no matter how small or trivial you might think it is. I try to live my life somewhat like Real Texan described--hard-working and God-fearing. I have no axe to grind. You started the personal attacks by calling me "ignorant." I may be a lot of things, but one thing I am NOT is ignorant. That sort of name-calling is usually initiated by someone who is most likely deeply insecure about himself.
I actually supported GW after 9/11 because I, along with countless millions of others, felt it was important for us to come together as a nation. Unfortunately, he squandered it by lying to us at every turn. What irks me along with so many other people is that he will never admit he did something wrong, ever. He doesn't have the courage to do it. And the fact that he joked about "those WMDs have gotta be here somewhere" was about the most disgusting thing I've ever witnessed by a public figure. I'm sure all of his supporters got a real chuckle out of that one.
You know what, Paul? I've had enough. You go your way and I'll go mine. I'm going to do my best to be a good husband, father, and citizen. I'm not perfect, nor will I ever be. Maybe you can learn to admit that you're not perfect either.
Goodbye and good luck.
Mr. Mike
Yes, I am a "class act." I do all that I can to help my fellow citizens, no matter how small or trivial you might think it is. I try to live my life somewhat like Real Texan described--hard-working and God-fearing. I have no axe to grind. You started the personal attacks by calling me "ignorant." I may be a lot of things, but one thing I am NOT is ignorant. That sort of name-calling is usually initiated by someone who is most likely deeply insecure about himself.
I actually supported GW after 9/11 because I, along with countless millions of others, felt it was important for us to come together as a nation. Unfortunately, he squandered it by lying to us at every turn. What irks me along with so many other people is that he will never admit he did something wrong, ever. He doesn't have the courage to do it. And the fact that he joked about "those WMDs have gotta be here somewhere" was about the most disgusting thing I've ever witnessed by a public figure. I'm sure all of his supporters got a real chuckle out of that one.
You know what, Paul? I've had enough. You go your way and I'll go mine. I'm going to do my best to be a good husband, father, and citizen. I'm not perfect, nor will I ever be. Maybe you can learn to admit that you're not perfect either.
Goodbye and good luck.
Mr. Mike
Paul Bernard [Visitor] writes:
That's fine Mike, you go your way and I'll go mine. But please be clear, I called you "ignorant" long after your tirades about blowhards, kooks,the President can't wipe his ass wihtout Carl Rove, your nasty comment's about the soldiers death pool, Community College like 13th grade, stamping hands at the pool, getting your rocks off...just to name a few. Those were all your comments buddy. Personal attacts without knowing a think about me.
Name calling, labeling, nasty comments? Yes Mike, that's being ignorant.
Name calling, labeling, nasty comments? Yes Mike, that's being ignorant.
Real Texan [Visitor] writes:
Robert you are correct in your assessment of Bush's appointments. If you have studied the history of the Republican party the majority of the major players in Washington have been in place or in the backgroung since the Nixon days. They are definitely pros.
My belief from watching their appointments, their legislature, and executive orders that the goal of this administration is to rid our country of every program that benefits the lower working class and the poor. It is my opinion they only want to take care of the mega corporations and the wealthy class. Actions speak louder than words.
If you remember the beginning of Hitler, he came into power as a "Christian" also.
You may or may not be aware that Preston Bush, grandfather of G.W. financed Hitler and was convicted after WWII for
these crimes against the U.S. He was later pardoned by a Republican president. My prayers are the American
people will sooner, rather than later,
understand what hs really happening to our country.
My mother told me that "God uses the good and the bad use God."
I may note that Bush in my opinion is more of a puppet for the "string pullers" Cheney for one. (remember he had to practice for some time before a mirror to make a coherent speech).
Every American needs to become active in
our government, make our elected representatives aware of what our values
should be and where we want our money spent. They should be punished by not being re=elected every time they do anything to damage our country.
We are still a "government by the people, and for the people." Only the
real people have to stand up and make
themselves heard.
My belief from watching their appointments, their legislature, and executive orders that the goal of this administration is to rid our country of every program that benefits the lower working class and the poor. It is my opinion they only want to take care of the mega corporations and the wealthy class. Actions speak louder than words.
If you remember the beginning of Hitler, he came into power as a "Christian" also.
You may or may not be aware that Preston Bush, grandfather of G.W. financed Hitler and was convicted after WWII for
these crimes against the U.S. He was later pardoned by a Republican president. My prayers are the American
people will sooner, rather than later,
understand what hs really happening to our country.
My mother told me that "God uses the good and the bad use God."
I may note that Bush in my opinion is more of a puppet for the "string pullers" Cheney for one. (remember he had to practice for some time before a mirror to make a coherent speech).
Every American needs to become active in
our government, make our elected representatives aware of what our values
should be and where we want our money spent. They should be punished by not being re=elected every time they do anything to damage our country.
We are still a "government by the people, and for the people." Only the
real people have to stand up and make
themselves heard.
Mr. Mike [Visitor] writes:
Paul Bernard:
I would have more respect for your opinions if you had better command of the English language, grammar, and punctuation. Witness these examples of your clear and concise writing:
"wihtout Carl Rove" -- That's spelled "without" and it's "K"arl Rove.
"your nasty comment's" -- That would be spelled as "comments".
"Personal attacts without knowing a think about me." -- Where do I begin?
I think I'll let GW know that he didn't notice another child was left behind.
So long, Paulie. Have fun at the book burning.
Mr. Mike
I would have more respect for your opinions if you had better command of the English language, grammar, and punctuation. Witness these examples of your clear and concise writing:
"wihtout Carl Rove" -- That's spelled "without" and it's "K"arl Rove.
"your nasty comment's" -- That would be spelled as "comments".
"Personal attacts without knowing a think about me." -- Where do I begin?
I think I'll let GW know that he didn't notice another child was left behind.
So long, Paulie. Have fun at the book burning.
Mr. Mike
Paul Bernard [Visitor] writes:
Mikey,
Thank's for the english lesson. God, you are smater than the rest of us.
Just one more question, why are you so bitter and angry? It shows in every letter you write. Your just a nasty human being.
Thank's for the english lesson. God, you are smater than the rest of us.
Just one more question, why are you so bitter and angry? It shows in every letter you write. Your just a nasty human being.
Mr, Mike [Visitor] writes:
Paulie:
Not smarter than anyone else. Just you.
"Thank's"
"smater"
"Your just"
You make it too easy, Paulie. Maybe you and GW can take a remedial reading and writing course at Yale, or in the 14th grade.
See you later, Einstein.
Not smarter than anyone else. Just you.
"Thank's"
"smater"
"Your just"
You make it too easy, Paulie. Maybe you and GW can take a remedial reading and writing course at Yale, or in the 14th grade.
See you later, Einstein.
Paul Bernard [Visitor] writes:
Mikey,
Too werds (feel free to correct the spelling) ANGER MANAGEMENT
Let me guess, your a teacher. What grade?
Too werds (feel free to correct the spelling) ANGER MANAGEMENT
Let me guess, your a teacher. What grade?
paul Bernard [Visitor] writes:
Please take time to remember the 9/11 victims and their familes today.
Andrew W. Bryden [Visitor] writes:
Now that we have all vented... "can't we all just get along?"
This pathetic, partisan B.S. is the very problem that plagues us. Were we to show some unity and let those who represent us know what our priorities are, we might not be wasting away our time bickering about whose fault a natural disaster is!!!
Lets try to look at it this way: the big car manufacturers have the technology to make vehicles (all vehicles) a lot safer than they are. Thousands upon thousands of lives are lost each year, both in vehicles and pedistrian because this technology is not in use. The manufacturers realize that our priorities are on huge sound systems, entertainment, onboard navigation and the like. They are not sinking money into technology that would prevent thousands and thousands of deaths, because they act and put money where our priorities as Americans are. Who is to blame for these deaths? The manufacturers? I think not.
It is our priorities that are broken and need fixing... not the man in charge!
This pathetic, partisan B.S. is the very problem that plagues us. Were we to show some unity and let those who represent us know what our priorities are, we might not be wasting away our time bickering about whose fault a natural disaster is!!!
Lets try to look at it this way: the big car manufacturers have the technology to make vehicles (all vehicles) a lot safer than they are. Thousands upon thousands of lives are lost each year, both in vehicles and pedistrian because this technology is not in use. The manufacturers realize that our priorities are on huge sound systems, entertainment, onboard navigation and the like. They are not sinking money into technology that would prevent thousands and thousands of deaths, because they act and put money where our priorities as Americans are. Who is to blame for these deaths? The manufacturers? I think not.
It is our priorities that are broken and need fixing... not the man in charge!
Andrew W. Bryden [Visitor] writes:
b.t.w. the "pidistrian" was for Mr. Mike...
It is far easier to ridicule others than to look at where we might need to change ourselves.
Editor's Note to Mr. Bryden: You are a frequent and obviuously well-informed and well-opinionated commenter to these blogs.
Why don't your let me set one up for you so many more surfers will read your thoughts. wb@ecape.com
It is far easier to ridicule others than to look at where we might need to change ourselves.
Editor's Note to Mr. Bryden: You are a frequent and obviuously well-informed and well-opinionated commenter to these blogs.
Why don't your let me set one up for you so many more surfers will read your thoughts. wb@ecape.com
Andrew W. Bryden [Visitor] writes:
To the editor:
Should you wish to link to my blog it may be found at Sunday Morning Blog: http://www.capecodcyclist.8k.com/weblog/
However, I don't wish to post or be moderated on a blog here.
Should you wish to link to my blog it may be found at Sunday Morning Blog: http://www.capecodcyclist.8k.com/weblog/
However, I don't wish to post or be moderated on a blog here.
Disciple [Visitor] writes:
Let me add one observation to the discussion - as Jack Nicholson so famously stated - "You can't handle the truth"
We as citizens know so little of the reality of the world beyond our own little plots of grass. Yet, some of us speak with such authority believing that what we have seen or heard from the various media outlets is representative of the fullness of the truth of our world. Could it be true that Bush's grandfather supported Hitler; yes, maybe. Could it be fabricated, yes, maybe. Could Bush and hios administration be genuinely good people trying to do their level best for this nation - yes, maybe. Could Bush be part of one of the most shrewd and corrupt administrations in history, yes, maybe. But who among us fully knows the truth. I can say without hesitation not one of us!!!
Carrying the concept further, who knows the fullness of what goes on behind the scenes of our government; who knows what information they have in making decisions for what they percieve to be the best for this country? How can we sit in judgment on issues that transcend our comprehension - to chastise an administration for perceived mistakes on issues we truly know so little about is arrogance at its best. As Andrew allluded to previously, can anyone name any previous administration through the years that has not made colossal mistakes in the eyes of the demagogoues of the day - was not Lincoln criticized, even condemned by some for his divisive decision about the Emancipation Proclamation, which we today as "enlightened" people see as a tremendously righteous decision; something we wouldn't hesitate to support today. To this day in sections of this country some blame him for the bloodiest war in this nation's history while others revere him for making bold and unpopular decisions. Who is right with both sides being convinced of their own righteousness. Because he is listed as one of our most revered Presidents does that make those who revere him right and the others wrong?
I hope we would ponder our own finiteness and relative ignorance before sitting in judgment on any of our leaders. We should strive to be forces of humility, unity and integrity not arrogance, divisiveness, and selfish ambition.
We as citizens know so little of the reality of the world beyond our own little plots of grass. Yet, some of us speak with such authority believing that what we have seen or heard from the various media outlets is representative of the fullness of the truth of our world. Could it be true that Bush's grandfather supported Hitler; yes, maybe. Could it be fabricated, yes, maybe. Could Bush and hios administration be genuinely good people trying to do their level best for this nation - yes, maybe. Could Bush be part of one of the most shrewd and corrupt administrations in history, yes, maybe. But who among us fully knows the truth. I can say without hesitation not one of us!!!
Carrying the concept further, who knows the fullness of what goes on behind the scenes of our government; who knows what information they have in making decisions for what they percieve to be the best for this country? How can we sit in judgment on issues that transcend our comprehension - to chastise an administration for perceived mistakes on issues we truly know so little about is arrogance at its best. As Andrew allluded to previously, can anyone name any previous administration through the years that has not made colossal mistakes in the eyes of the demagogoues of the day - was not Lincoln criticized, even condemned by some for his divisive decision about the Emancipation Proclamation, which we today as "enlightened" people see as a tremendously righteous decision; something we wouldn't hesitate to support today. To this day in sections of this country some blame him for the bloodiest war in this nation's history while others revere him for making bold and unpopular decisions. Who is right with both sides being convinced of their own righteousness. Because he is listed as one of our most revered Presidents does that make those who revere him right and the others wrong?
I hope we would ponder our own finiteness and relative ignorance before sitting in judgment on any of our leaders. We should strive to be forces of humility, unity and integrity not arrogance, divisiveness, and selfish ambition.
Vietnam vet [Visitor] writes:
The government spent thousand training GWB to be a pilot,GWB did not show up for his physical, grounded. A lack of character, poor leadership, need I say more?
Disciple [Visitor] writes:
Actually, I think you need to carry your argument a little further.
Let us consider the military records of Bush's most recent opponent, John Kerry, and that of former President Clinton. From what has been revealed in the press (which again is difficult to verify the veracity thereof) either John Kerry is a military hero or a traitor to his nation; Clinton, a draft dodger or someone who followed his conscious and pursued nobler causes.
Do you know there was a day when men volunteered for their government positions - they were neither paid nor received tax breaks or million dollar pensions. They served the American people out of a sense of duty and love of the nation.
No matter how you look at the current state of our government, it's not what it was or what it should be. It seems that the cultural revolution of the 60's stirred an enduring contempt for authority. Every administration since Nixon has been looked upon with varying degrees of contempt. The most recent assaults on the Clinton and Bush administrations have been abhorrent. We as the people of America have lost the proper attitude of reverence for our leaders and respect for the offices they hold.
So whatever the truth of Bush's military record - and trust me none of us average citizens know the truth from what we have been told - we need a counter cultural revolution in this nation that will restore integrity to our government which will in turn engender respect and reverence from the American people.
Let us consider the military records of Bush's most recent opponent, John Kerry, and that of former President Clinton. From what has been revealed in the press (which again is difficult to verify the veracity thereof) either John Kerry is a military hero or a traitor to his nation; Clinton, a draft dodger or someone who followed his conscious and pursued nobler causes.
Do you know there was a day when men volunteered for their government positions - they were neither paid nor received tax breaks or million dollar pensions. They served the American people out of a sense of duty and love of the nation.
No matter how you look at the current state of our government, it's not what it was or what it should be. It seems that the cultural revolution of the 60's stirred an enduring contempt for authority. Every administration since Nixon has been looked upon with varying degrees of contempt. The most recent assaults on the Clinton and Bush administrations have been abhorrent. We as the people of America have lost the proper attitude of reverence for our leaders and respect for the offices they hold.
So whatever the truth of Bush's military record - and trust me none of us average citizens know the truth from what we have been told - we need a counter cultural revolution in this nation that will restore integrity to our government which will in turn engender respect and reverence from the American people.
Real Texan [Visitor] writes:
To Disciple
Preston Bush was convicted of aiding and
abetting the enemy. Look it up!
Not learned from the media (infotainment)
Preston Bush was convicted of aiding and
abetting the enemy. Look it up!
Not learned from the media (infotainment)
Disciple [Visitor] writes:
To Real Texan,
True or not, what relevance does it have to resolving the current state of the political system? Truly, no relevance. The truth is for those of us willing to be honest every administration has had some degree of corruption, some more obvious and blatant, others more subtle and implicit. Anyone who believes greed and corruption are exclusive to the Bush family or the Republican party are deluded. In any crisis, we should focus on our own culpability and how we can be a positive force for change. We should build up our fellow man not tear him down; humility, unity, and integrity should mark our relationships to one another and to those in authority. In the early days, and may I dare say the most glorious days of our country, from the youngest citizen to the oldest there was respect for those in authority versus contempt. What happened?
True or not, what relevance does it have to resolving the current state of the political system? Truly, no relevance. The truth is for those of us willing to be honest every administration has had some degree of corruption, some more obvious and blatant, others more subtle and implicit. Anyone who believes greed and corruption are exclusive to the Bush family or the Republican party are deluded. In any crisis, we should focus on our own culpability and how we can be a positive force for change. We should build up our fellow man not tear him down; humility, unity, and integrity should mark our relationships to one another and to those in authority. In the early days, and may I dare say the most glorious days of our country, from the youngest citizen to the oldest there was respect for those in authority versus contempt. What happened?
Real Texan [Visitor] writes:
Disciple
The acorn never falls far from the tree.
You speak as if you would enjoy a revolution. Anarchy is not my idea of a
solution.
I sincerely doubt this nation will, or ever should, be reverent to a overnment.
My belief is that as citizens we should all speak out for truth and justice.
We should also always be aware of what the government is doing in our name and
object to actions which are surreptitious, unethical, illegal, or any action harmful to our country.
The acorn never falls far from the tree.
You speak as if you would enjoy a revolution. Anarchy is not my idea of a
solution.
I sincerely doubt this nation will, or ever should, be reverent to a overnment.
My belief is that as citizens we should all speak out for truth and justice.
We should also always be aware of what the government is doing in our name and
object to actions which are surreptitious, unethical, illegal, or any action harmful to our country.
Disciple [Visitor] writes:
Real Texan,
Help me here - tell me who defines truth - you? Who defines justice - you? Who rightly deems what is surreptitious, unethical, illegal or harmful in a country.
Did you know it was foretold many years ago that a day would come when that which was once deemed as evil(irreverence, selfishness, arrogance) would be deemd good (question authority, take care of #1, intellectual pride) and that which was once deemed good (chastity, humility, faithfulness)would be counted as evil(prudishness, weakness, naivete).
You say the acorn never falls from the tree thus implying a political leaning on my part. If you have read carefully, I have cited deep problems within our system which transcends political party. Anarchy, again you have not read closely. Have not I commented the highest and best response to crisis is through humility and reverence versus anarchy. It is so easy to attach a label to someone or call them a name then to take the time to go beyond the surface of an issue, that which provokes an emotional knee jerk reaction. We have become a nation of name callers - Hannity and Colmes, Bill O'Reilly, Al Franken, Howard Stern, the Republican leadership, the Democratic leadership - it's a long list of leaders in our society who are master name callers and finger pointers versus leaders marked by humility who look within themselves first for the source of the problems that plague our society.
Revolution - maybe. Revelation - absolutely. This nation needs a dramatic grassroots revolution not driven by riots and rebellion, but by a genuine revelation of our own innate inadequacy to solve our world's problems and our own culpability as a result of our deep depravity.
Help me here - tell me who defines truth - you? Who defines justice - you? Who rightly deems what is surreptitious, unethical, illegal or harmful in a country.
Did you know it was foretold many years ago that a day would come when that which was once deemed as evil(irreverence, selfishness, arrogance) would be deemd good (question authority, take care of #1, intellectual pride) and that which was once deemed good (chastity, humility, faithfulness)would be counted as evil(prudishness, weakness, naivete).
You say the acorn never falls from the tree thus implying a political leaning on my part. If you have read carefully, I have cited deep problems within our system which transcends political party. Anarchy, again you have not read closely. Have not I commented the highest and best response to crisis is through humility and reverence versus anarchy. It is so easy to attach a label to someone or call them a name then to take the time to go beyond the surface of an issue, that which provokes an emotional knee jerk reaction. We have become a nation of name callers - Hannity and Colmes, Bill O'Reilly, Al Franken, Howard Stern, the Republican leadership, the Democratic leadership - it's a long list of leaders in our society who are master name callers and finger pointers versus leaders marked by humility who look within themselves first for the source of the problems that plague our society.
Revolution - maybe. Revelation - absolutely. This nation needs a dramatic grassroots revolution not driven by riots and rebellion, but by a genuine revelation of our own innate inadequacy to solve our world's problems and our own culpability as a result of our deep depravity.
Disciple [Visitor] writes:
Real Texan
What happened - it seems you didn't finish your thought.
What happened - it seems you didn't finish your thought.
b.williams [Visitor] writes:
We took hill 79,good men died only to give it back, then we took hill 79 again, good men died, only to give it back. So it was in Korea, so it was in Vietnam, and as it is in Afganistan, and as it is in Iraq.Too many good men have died for hill 79 and there comes a time not to go back to take hill 79.
Real Texan [Visitor] writes:
Everything seemed to stop when Disciple
could not understand that to define "my truth" as difficult as trying to define "is" (the Clinton story).
I would like to know how many of the readers have any idea of the number of indictments Prosecuter Fitzgerald will ultimately issue when his investigation is ended.
Any thoughts on this?
could not understand that to define "my truth" as difficult as trying to define "is" (the Clinton story).
I would like to know how many of the readers have any idea of the number of indictments Prosecuter Fitzgerald will ultimately issue when his investigation is ended.
Any thoughts on this?
Harry Lapcheck [Visitor] writes:
I can't believe that.. young eager reporter who followed the events of the summer 1973 and got wooped in tennis and B'ball.drank beers at the LandHo.would admit voting for Mad King George and this fascist adminstration stands for...sorry to read about Brenden..glad he's doing better...
Codfish Press [Member] writes:
Harry,
I thought you and Nickie Needle were in the nursing home by now! Glad to see you're back. Way to get deep on me. You young kids have the right idea!
The years, it seems, have not been good to your memory. I whipped you ass in basketball and in tennis. And you stunk at surfing, by the way.
Speaking of surfing, my son Brendan, as you may know, caught a critical case of staph infection while surfing off the coast of North Carolina in effluent-invested waters. He's better now. The staph infection is under control, and doctors are now trying to kill the staph. Problem is that if the staph mutates, there is no cure. Keep him in your prayers.
Just got back from the South on Tuesday. North Carolina is a great place, by the way. I would recommend it to anyone. What happened to Brendan was an accident waiting to happen.
Hey, Harry, write to me at my e-mail address: gobrien@capecod.net. Are you coming to the Cape soon? You can always stay in a tent in my back yard...February is wide open.
Check out my other blog, Boston Cod, linked to capecodtoday.com, commentaries on national issues.
O'B.
Codfish Press
I thought you and Nickie Needle were in the nursing home by now! Glad to see you're back. Way to get deep on me. You young kids have the right idea!
The years, it seems, have not been good to your memory. I whipped you ass in basketball and in tennis. And you stunk at surfing, by the way.
Speaking of surfing, my son Brendan, as you may know, caught a critical case of staph infection while surfing off the coast of North Carolina in effluent-invested waters. He's better now. The staph infection is under control, and doctors are now trying to kill the staph. Problem is that if the staph mutates, there is no cure. Keep him in your prayers.
Just got back from the South on Tuesday. North Carolina is a great place, by the way. I would recommend it to anyone. What happened to Brendan was an accident waiting to happen.
Hey, Harry, write to me at my e-mail address: gobrien@capecod.net. Are you coming to the Cape soon? You can always stay in a tent in my back yard...February is wide open.
Check out my other blog, Boston Cod, linked to capecodtoday.com, commentaries on national issues.
O'B.
Codfish Press
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It also should be pointed out that the media reported rescuers were being shot at my armed thugs within the city. I may have turned my helicopter or boat around if I was taking hostile fire as well. Then there is the issue of 200 police officers walking off the job and quitting, that didn't happen in New York on 9-11 that I know of. I also remember then Mayor Rudy walking the streets of NY with the Governor days before the President ever showed up. Nothing was done by the leadership in New Orleans to say that they were incompetent is an understatement.
I see your letter as a petty cheap shot at the President and it says much about the character of the writer.