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Your choice; $130 a barrel or 130 Wind Turbines
05/20/08 · 12:01 pm :: posted by CCToday
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Oil close to $130 $135 after buying surge
T.Boone Pickens said it will hit $150 a barrel later this year
The cost of oil was today poised to break through the $130-a-barrel barrier for the first time after supply shortages and forecasts of high prices for years to come led to a surge in buying on the world's energy markets.
US light crude rose by more than two dollars to trade at $129.31 after the US oil investor, T.Boone Pickens said he expected oil prices to hit $150 a barrel later this year. Rumours from Israel denied by the White House, that president Bush is planning a military strike on Iran, added to the frenzied mood.
The AA said today's increase represented fresh bad news for motorists ahead of the bank holiday weekend... Guardian.
While no ONE type of renewable energy source is the complete answer to America's energy crisis, ALL of them are, and if Cape Codders are not willing to sacrifice a row of one-inch high match sticks on the Nantucket Sound horizon, they deserve paying $5 a gallon next year.
Tell any NIMBY you meet that they are unpatriotic and selfish to continue stopping the wind power revolution on Cape Cod abetted by the fossil fuel executives who fund the Alliance's efforts to stop Cape Wind.
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05/20/08 @ 3:07 pm
Solon [Member] writes:
Forget $4-a-gallon gasoline. It will be $5 a gallon before this summer's out. That will be the magic figure that it will take for this nation and its obtuse political representatives to wake up.
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possee [Member] writes:
Neither legislative,judicial, nor executive branches can solve or control market prices....
Anyone for basic economics 101?
Oil, a commodity, is market driven, and, with the enormous demand by developing nations such as China and India,it will continue to rise weekly .
Since we capped most oil rigs in the 70's and fail to refine oil today, the world, and us, are at the mercy of big oil...
and the nations that have the sense to refine it...
unlike the U.S.
Maybe it's time to rethink/reeducate ourselves and get with the program!
Meanwhile,as Cape Wind continues to move forward..
gas prices will still surge even if the turbines were generating now..
they will not,even with wishful thinking,force the price of fuel down!
ever..
Anyone for basic economics 101?
Oil, a commodity, is market driven, and, with the enormous demand by developing nations such as China and India,it will continue to rise weekly .
Since we capped most oil rigs in the 70's and fail to refine oil today, the world, and us, are at the mercy of big oil...
and the nations that have the sense to refine it...
unlike the U.S.
Maybe it's time to rethink/reeducate ourselves and get with the program!
Meanwhile,as Cape Wind continues to move forward..
gas prices will still surge even if the turbines were generating now..
they will not,even with wishful thinking,force the price of fuel down!
ever..
lmc035@gmail.com [Member] writes:
possee - are you looking forward to heating oil costing over $5 a gallon and having to choose between heat and food? What will you do when you electric bill doubles? Do you really think 'big oil' is to blaim? It's the liberals who don't allow drilling off our coasts. Brazil's big find is in waters similar to the Grand Banks, which are probably the largest find we'd have, but congress doesn't allow drilling. If you think putting up a wind farm is tough, try putting up a new refinery.
possee [Member] writes:
lmc035@gmail.com
My point exactly!
Let em all cry about the environment, global warming, wind farms, whatever..
When gas hits 5 or even 6 a gallon..
there will be cries of despair!
It is the folly of those who stopped refining and drilling that put us in the mess today..
amen to that!
My point exactly!
Let em all cry about the environment, global warming, wind farms, whatever..
When gas hits 5 or even 6 a gallon..
there will be cries of despair!
It is the folly of those who stopped refining and drilling that put us in the mess today..
amen to that!
maverick [Member] writes:
CCToday...Please explain how one wind factory creates a choice. There could be ten wind factories off the coast of MA and it would not change the price of gas.
The oil commodity is driven by world demand. China and India are selling more cars. Their industrial growth is competing with the US for the oil that is available. China has a huge group of illegal refineries that supply the demand. We don't have enough.
Your premise is BS. Have you no shame?
The oil commodity is driven by world demand. China and India are selling more cars. Their industrial growth is competing with the US for the oil that is available. China has a huge group of illegal refineries that supply the demand. We don't have enough.
Your premise is BS. Have you no shame?
sparky [Member] writes:
Many feel world oil supply is at or near the Hubbert point or "peak" oil. Essentially, half of all geological reserves have been extracted from the ground (the easy stuff). The rest is more expensive to get to. Add that to major new economies coming online ... price of oil is going up and staying up.
How do we deal with that?
- hydrid electric vehicles and pluggin hybrid electric vehicles...juiced by clean power from wind, solar, etc.
- cellosic ethanol (not food crop based!) to keep the current fleets running.
- more effficient buildings, etc.
- the list goes on...
U.S. needs a diversified, renewable energy portfolio NOW. Its a matter of economic and national security. Completely doable, just a matter of leadership.
How do we deal with that?
- hydrid electric vehicles and pluggin hybrid electric vehicles...juiced by clean power from wind, solar, etc.
- cellosic ethanol (not food crop based!) to keep the current fleets running.
- more effficient buildings, etc.
- the list goes on...
U.S. needs a diversified, renewable energy portfolio NOW. Its a matter of economic and national security. Completely doable, just a matter of leadership.
smahkcep [Member] writes:
One wind factory Mav is a start... An incentive for more to follow and the beginning in our state of a revolution.
To reduce our demand on imported oil by using the wind to generate our electricity will only HELP incrimentally and will take time...
But, it is a start.
Do nothing & we ARE fools.
To reduce our demand on imported oil by using the wind to generate our electricity will only HELP incrimentally and will take time...
But, it is a start.
Do nothing & we ARE fools.
Shecky [Member] writes:
Maverick, instead, why don't YOU explain to the widows and orphans from 9/11 "how one wind factory" doesn't NOT offer a choice and a start to end our dependence on Arab oil. You're a sailor ans you KNOW that wind turbines and other structures beneath the sea attract fish and lobsters, and if you can't manage to NOT ram your scow into a 400 foot high structure, you should stay on shore.
maverick [Member] writes:
Shecky...I am not worried about running into anything. Least of all a wind turbine.
I could care less about attracting fish. Prefer wild women myself.
Please explain to me why the USF&W has stated the site is unacceptable because it is in the middle of the major migratory flyway for endangered species.
All this crap about oil, fish, global warming and Arab dependence is a fraud.
A deceptive marketing ploy to sell us all on the wrong site. But the most lucrative for the developer.
I will let you explain to the widows and orphans. 9/11 and Cape wind? You have to be joking. Why don't you and Peck have a conversation and leave me out of it.
Thanks
I could care less about attracting fish. Prefer wild women myself.
Please explain to me why the USF&W has stated the site is unacceptable because it is in the middle of the major migratory flyway for endangered species.
All this crap about oil, fish, global warming and Arab dependence is a fraud.
A deceptive marketing ploy to sell us all on the wrong site. But the most lucrative for the developer.
I will let you explain to the widows and orphans. 9/11 and Cape wind? You have to be joking. Why don't you and Peck have a conversation and leave me out of it.
Thanks
Carl B. Freeman [Member] writes:
Of course, I've been so blind! Developing our wind resource has nothing to do with the price of gasoline or heating oil. All I have to do is close my eyes and believe REAL hard that there is no relation. If the WF were built 5 years ago and the Cape had electric prices locked in then, it would make no difference now. Sure, there might be a few more windfarms going up because they saw us do it but no big difference. India and China might they could use the power of the wind and start following our example, but that wouldn't make a big difference. Seeing the example of how wind doesn't destroy fishing or planes or boats or view sheds or birds or whales might might cause people to see the distortions of the SOS'ers were way off, but that wouldn't make a big difference. Sure business' might start to out do each other to see who could use the least electricity or put the most solar panels on thier buildings, but that would make a big difference.
But, put all those little differences together...
But, put all those little differences together...
possee [Member] writes:
Carl B. Freeman
Where is the logic behind any of your statements.
Believe REAL hard?
If all of you so called wind farm enthusiasts believe in the cause, then install turbines on your property,install solar panels on your roof,disconnect your electric lines, and go for it!
You will still pay market price for gas.
A thousand wind farms off Cape Cod will never decrease the price of oil and gas.
Deal with the facts .
Where is the logic behind any of your statements.
Believe REAL hard?
If all of you so called wind farm enthusiasts believe in the cause, then install turbines on your property,install solar panels on your roof,disconnect your electric lines, and go for it!
You will still pay market price for gas.
A thousand wind farms off Cape Cod will never decrease the price of oil and gas.
Deal with the facts .
possee [Member] writes:
maverick
A basic lack of understanding of the commodities market globally,business101, and, the hoax of global warming, has produced a generation of lemmings who refuse to accept any viewpoint other than what they're told, never mind cold hard facts.
Don't bother explaining.
Facts mean nothing to the majority here.
You go fishing.
Watch out for the turbine blades...
they are a whirling here today..
I'll tend to a relaxing eve myself.
Have a good night.
A basic lack of understanding of the commodities market globally,business101, and, the hoax of global warming, has produced a generation of lemmings who refuse to accept any viewpoint other than what they're told, never mind cold hard facts.
Don't bother explaining.
Facts mean nothing to the majority here.
You go fishing.
Watch out for the turbine blades...
they are a whirling here today..
I'll tend to a relaxing eve myself.
Have a good night.
sparky [Member] writes:
Splitting hairs a bit. My understanding is that USF&W has stated that more information is needed. That's a bit different than "the site is unacceptable" (implying that all required info is available and the site has been rejected based on hard fact).
Some perspective on the bird issues, no doubt wind biased...
http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html
To be clear, CW is not the technology of the AltaMont Cuisinarts.
From http://www.earth-policy.org/Books/PB3/pb3ch5.pdf ...
"Of the 9,817 known bird species, roughly 70 percent are declining in number. Of these, an estimated
1,217 species are in imminent danger of extinction. Habitat loss and degradation affect 91 percent of all threatened bird species". That partially be your coal fired power plants.
Some perspective on the bird issues, no doubt wind biased...
http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html
To be clear, CW is not the technology of the AltaMont Cuisinarts.
From http://www.earth-policy.org/Books/PB3/pb3ch5.pdf ...
"Of the 9,817 known bird species, roughly 70 percent are declining in number. Of these, an estimated
1,217 species are in imminent danger of extinction. Habitat loss and degradation affect 91 percent of all threatened bird species". That partially be your coal fired power plants.
possee [Member] writes:
Recent news clips on the web have forecasted that the current gas rates will be the "good ole days' in the near future..
Oil is a commodity manipulated by brokers and investors internationally.
Investors have been buying untapped oil worldwide, then selling it to the oil companies at a profit..
This is unfathomable profit for market manipulators..
and a dirge for the rest of us.
Wind,solar,nuclear, and other technologies must be developed to offset the economic and environmental impacts of big oil but, despite our wishes, gas/oil will continue to rise..
..and does almost daily!
thanks to those at the helm..
Oil is a commodity manipulated by brokers and investors internationally.
Investors have been buying untapped oil worldwide, then selling it to the oil companies at a profit..
This is unfathomable profit for market manipulators..
and a dirge for the rest of us.
Wind,solar,nuclear, and other technologies must be developed to offset the economic and environmental impacts of big oil but, despite our wishes, gas/oil will continue to rise..
..and does almost daily!
thanks to those at the helm..
neil good [Member] writes:
Here is more reason to be suspicious of all those glowing reports about wind power-
"Turbine rebate could be carried away"
http://www.windaction.org/news/15973
"...A report of 19 Massachusetts Technology Collaborative funded small wind turbines by environmental consultant The Cadmus Group said "installers almost universally overestimate annual energy production. Often this overestimation is quite significant."
"Even a small error in calculating wind speed "can result in a very significant impact on energy production," the report said. In this area and on Cape Cod, the overestimation can be 10 to 20 percent, and "on currently installed systems, rebate dollars paid by MTC have not generated the expected benefits," according to the report."
"Turbine rebate could be carried away"
http://www.windaction.org/news/15973
"...A report of 19 Massachusetts Technology Collaborative funded small wind turbines by environmental consultant The Cadmus Group said "installers almost universally overestimate annual energy production. Often this overestimation is quite significant."
"Even a small error in calculating wind speed "can result in a very significant impact on energy production," the report said. In this area and on Cape Cod, the overestimation can be 10 to 20 percent, and "on currently installed systems, rebate dollars paid by MTC have not generated the expected benefits," according to the report."
New Jersey Rog [Member] writes:
"Your choice; $130 a barrel or 130 Wind Turbines"
They are not mutually exclusive.
They are not mutually exclusive.
sparky [Member] writes:
Re: the wind speed question and U.S. regional suitability for wind power, see the following...
- DOE's "20% Wind by 2030". http://www1.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro/pdfs/41869.pdf
- University of Delaware Mid Atlantic Coast wind resource study. http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2007/feb/wind020107.html
Central US, upper Atlantic Coast, etc. are prime wind resources.
- DOE's "20% Wind by 2030". http://www1.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro/pdfs/41869.pdf
- University of Delaware Mid Atlantic Coast wind resource study. http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2007/feb/wind020107.html
Central US, upper Atlantic Coast, etc. are prime wind resources.
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