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Reasonable doubt about a verdict

Readers over a certain age may remember a great television series of the mid-70s called "Ellery Queen" based on the literary crime sleuth. The title character was played by the late Jim Hutton, father of actor Timothy Hutton. Each week's show would revolve around a murder mystery and Queen's efforts to solve it, which he'd invariably do at the end of every episode upon noticing a previously seen but seemingly innocuous clue.

That's it, Queen would say, turning to the camera and addressing the viewer. And if you paid attention, you figured it out too. After a commercial break, the show would return with all the major players assembled and Queen would explain whodunit, and why.

Would that real life and actual murder mysteries played out so tidily. A year ago in Barnstable village, a Superior Court jury began deliberating the fate of a 34-year-old Hyannis trash hauler, Christopher McCowen (seen at right being escorted from court), accused in the brutal stabbing death and rape of Christa Worthington, 46, a former fashion writer and single mother in Truro.

In the year since the trial, I've wondered - had there been a seemingly innocuous piece of evidence or testimony that, if held to the light at the right angle, would become a Rosetta Stone unraveling the mystery?

Based on what I saw and heard while covering the trial as a stringer for the New York Post and blogging about it here, there was no such clue, at least not for me. But there's one that came close - the mysterious driver barreling out of Worthington's driveway on the afternoon of Jan. 5, 2002, the day before her body was discovered.

Testifying during the trial, Truro resident Girard Smith said he saw a "large dark vehicle" speeding down Worthington's driveway between 1 and 3 p.m. on Jan. 5. The vehicle came within 15 feet of him, Smith testified, and was driven so fast it could easily have crashed into another vehicle.

Did you see the driver, Smith was asked on the stand. Yes, he was a white male in his late 30s, early 40s - which means it could not be McCowen, who is black. 

Don't get me wrong, this hardly proves McCowen is innocent, nor is it proof the driver in such a hurry had anything to do with Worthington's death.  But when combined with another aspect of the case, it allows for the unsettling possibility that McCowen did not murder Worthington or did not act alone as alleged by the prosecution.

Early in the trial, on Oct. 23, 2006, pathologist Henry Nields testified that Worthington "had likely been dead for 24 to 36 hours when a colleague from the state medical examiner's office examined her at the crime scene," as reported by Court TV (that colleague, Dr. James Weiner, was too ill during the trial to testify).

Weiner arrived at the Worthington house around 8 p.m. on Sunday, Jan. 6, according to testimony during the trial. Extrapolating back with the timeframe of 24 to 36 hours to the time of Worthington's death, this means she was most likely murdered between 8 p.m. and 8 a.m. on Saturday, Jan. 5.  And smack dab in the middle of that timeframe is when Smith saw a vehicle high-tailing it out of Worthington's driveway, presumably with an extremely agitated driver. And the driver seen by Smith was white, not black - and could not have been McCowen.

Again, what Smith witnessed doesn't prove anything beyond his credible description of it. But Smith's testimony does allow for reasonable inferences. Such as - it is reasonable to infer that the person driving the vehicle was aware of, if not involved in, Worthington's death. It is reasonable to infer that the person driving the vehicle was fleeing from the scene in a panic because he was implicated in Worthington's death, either by direct involvement or covering up after the fact. And it is reasonable to infer of at least the possibility that Worthington was murdered on the afternoon of Jan. 5 and not the night before by McCowen, as the prosecution claimed and jurors ultimately agreed.

Eight months after Worthington's death, I attended a journalism conference in Maine with several of my colleagues from the Cape Cod Times, where the paper was honored with several awards, including one I received for investigative reporting. The guest speaker at the opening night dinner was author Dominick Dunne, who spoke mainly about the conviction earlier that year of Michael Skakel for the October 1975 bludgeoning death of 15-year-old Martha Moxley.

The Moxley case was not one I'd followed but Dunne's remarks - and the man is a consummate raconteur - piqued my interest. The Moxleys and the Skakels had lived only a block apart in Greenwich, Conn., and Dunne described how Dorothy Moxley, Martha's mother, told him of the anguish she suffered for years whenever she drove past the the Skakel house (she eventually moved out of the neighborhood).

Every time Mrs. Moxley saw the house, Dunne recounted, she thought that maybe the person who killed her daughter did not live there, but the people in the house knew who did. And that was almost as bad.

I think the same can be said of the driver of the vehicle witnessed by Smith. His presence at the scene hardly proves the man committed murder, whoever he is. But it sure as hell looks like he knows who did.

(photo credit, washingtonpost.com)

230 comments
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11/08/07 @ 9:17 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
And maybe Chris had a solid alibi for Saturday, and that's why they had to make the tod on Friday night.
Easy to do when you control the evidence and the crime scene, huh?
Hey jc, what took you so long?
Why the change in attitude? Just curious.
11/08/07 @ 9:23 am
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
My willingness to part with previous beliefs, also known as freedom of thought.
11/08/07 @ 9:53 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Well,Halleluyah Jack!!!!Thank you for writing this article. Now maybe more people will listen...unbiasedly.
All you have to do is put your thinking caps on, and it all falls right into place.
11/08/07 @ 10:41 am
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Gotta give it you, Jack. At least you are not afraid to change your mind and not be stubborn about it. I totally agree with you regarding that speeding truck/van. And I think there are people who know the real story, and for one reason or another will not come forward. In any event, there is plenty of reasonable doubt there. The verdict was just wrong. And there is plenty to question regarding LE's case. I tend to think anyone that is still arguing that CM is quilty is either involved in this case, or just plain stubborn when it comes to thinking about all of this and changing their mind. There certainly is plenty to question. Thank you for this blog post.
11/08/07 @ 11:15 am
legal_owl [Member] writes:
very nice jack
thanks for pinpointing one of the most disguised inconsistencies in this case, the TOD
flew right past the jury
most posters missed it
for those that commented on it, most referred to it as smoke and mirrors by the defense
few realized that the original ME was medically indisposed and that a substitute testified based on the original MEs notes
lots of accidents/incidents in this case...leaves one wondering what in the world was happening on the cape
11/08/07 @ 11:30 am
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
I know this is pushin' it Jack, but what do you think of the way Mr. Smith was being confused by LE when he was finally interviewed? And lets remember that he was interviewed quite by accident, after he saw State Troopers walking in the neighborhood. He waited and waited to be contacted, but he said that no one seemed to think what he saw was that.....important.
11/08/07 @ 11:46 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
What legal owl???...crusader has been scraming this stuff for years, and everyone here called her a nut case, and much much worse, and Jack was one of em! The people at court tv had this case marked from the word go!!!
Kind of makes you wonder what exactly that jury was doing in there while they were supposed to be deliberating all the material in a serious way.
"He's black, he scares me."
"What's with your cornrows?"
"He's staring at us."
Convicted due to being big and black. End of story.
11/08/07 @ 11:54 am
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Bittersweet,
I may have this wrong, but the way I understand this is, that if they rule racial bias, then the appeal is on hold, and the case stays RIGHT HERE, on the Cape? I am almost hoping that Nickerson finds NO racial bias, and the appeal goes on, OFF CAPE. Maybe someone with more understanding of the process can clarify this.
11/08/07 @ 12:07 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Oh damn, in that case, they gotta get it out of here!! He'll only be screwed again if they keep it here.
And this is no damn joke. This was a serious criminal mis-use of the justice system to serve a few people's ends. It must be exposed for what it is.
And Christopher McCowen should not spend one more day in that rat hole from hell.
11/08/07 @ 2:17 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
Check my blog, jack,,, I interviewed Bob Hodge.
11/08/07 @ 3:15 pm
maverick [Member] writes:
bittersweet..." Convicted due to being big and black. End of story. " I agree but don't think he was totally innocent. I honestly believe he knows what happened and who else is involved.

If CM isn't exposing the whole story it may be that he has decided jail is better than "six feet under".
11/08/07 @ 4:33 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
"big & black" wouldn't hold up if the dna didn't match.
11/08/07 @ 4:57 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Well, ok, but I happen to believe that he doesn't know a thing about it, and only said Jeremy Frazier because he knew what Frazier was like. Remember, even his lawyer said Chris didn't know who did it, only that it might have been Frazier.
Come to thnk of it, George DID say that, so wtf Mason?
And for god's sake buzz, how long are you going to remain stupid? Just because he slept with her, you can't then hang him for murder!!!
They didn't prove rape. There was NO evidence of CM even being there.
So, where is your proof? There is none.
Your doctor admitted to killing a guy, had a loaded gun in her purse, and you say let her go, but because CM had sex with CW, you want him to die in prison?
Something is wrong with your way of thinking, and maybe you should examine it.
11/08/07 @ 5:28 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
bittersweet, you are aware of the difference between being found not guilty and innocence, aren't you? The state not proving its case does not mean McCowen is innocent, it means there's enough reasonable doubt not to convict.

As for the alleged lack of evidence of McCowen "even being there," you are wrong. The DNA evidence proved conclusively that there was sexual contact between McCowen and Worthington (and agreed, this is not proof of sex). By his own admission, McCowen was there but he claimed the sex was consensual.
11/08/07 @ 5:44 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bittersweet,

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make them stupid. I question JF and wonder about his involvement with CM. How can you make a comment like "but I happen to believe that he doesn't know a thing about it"? I keep bringing up the fact that McCowen's DNA was not only found in her, but on her breast. Where's the evidence of the two of them having a casual relationship? How come there are no phone records? Why is it that McCowen changed his story at least 8 different times, but the only story YOU believe is the one about the casual sex he had? You talk about an innocent man rotting in a rat hole. If CM came forward after the discovery of CW's body and said he was at her house and having a casual relationship, then maybe LE would have had a better chance of getting the "real" killer. How convenient of him to wait months until they discovered it was his DNA at the scene of the murder.
11/08/07 @ 5:47 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
I'm talking about on the day/night she was murdered. I don't think he was there at all. He was there on Thursday to "remove a tree" and they got busy instead. Which, if you think about it, she must have arranged. How would he know she had a tree to remove unless she told him?
And I think that's the end of his involvement with her.
And it's very strange that you now say there's enough reasonable doubt....it's always been there for anyone who wanted to see it.
So, looking back on this, what can you say? Why were so many willing to suspend common sense, and cry "He did it?"
11/08/07 @ 5:52 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
buzz...given the attitude of people around here, I don't blame him at all for not coming forward. Then again,maybe he knew she was sleepimg with a lot of guys, and hoped he had nothing to worry about.
But if he had killed her, don't you think he would have high-tailed it out of here faster than you can say jury tampering?
Why in all hell would he stay here and wait to get caught?
11/08/07 @ 6:17 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
"genetic material collected from Worthington's right breast that matches McCowen's DNA could occur only once in 199.8 billion African-Americans."

So if McCowen went there Thursday and "got busy" as you suggest, are you saying Christa didn't take a shower for several days? Again, explain the DNA on her breast?
11/08/07 @ 6:24 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
What is important about this case is what happened in that trial and investigation. On the Outer Cape, we are all "6 degrees..no, 3 degrees from each other". I cannot live in such a small place if LE gets away with lying, manipulating evidence, testimony, and a jury. This shouldnt happen anywhere, but here, on the Cape, it cannot be tolerated by ANYONE. I wish everyone would try to look at what happened in that courtroom. CM is what he is, but he is not the killer and has been railroaded because OUR LE MANIPULATED THAT TRIAL. That is what is important here, and should be to all of us. CM is a borderline retarded trashman, with a rap sheet, into drugs - certainly not the completely innocent victim. BUT, he is not guilty BEYOND a REASONABLE doubt. If this is left this way we all are victims. So much in that trial needs to be looked at and should not be accepted by anyone. Try taking CM out of the equation, if you cant get past him, and look at what happened in that trial. The killer is loose and for some reason, was protected. We need to find out why.
11/08/07 @ 6:45 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Excellent post clamshelli...that says it all.
11/08/07 @ 6:51 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bittersweet,

I'm asking you to explain to me how CW had CM's DNA on her breast 3 days after they had consensual sex?

Is that not a reasonable question for you to answer?
11/08/07 @ 6:55 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Ill answer you Buzz. A single mother, alone with a 2 year old has a hard time getting two minutes to even go the bathroom. Not such a big deal ya know.
11/08/07 @ 6:59 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
So she has plenty of time for casual sex with the garbage man, but no time in 3 days to clean her self up.....thanks for the clarification.
11/08/07 @ 7:01 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Also, if you believe that the TOD was friday night, as that "statement" you like to quote says it was - then it wasnt 3 days without a shower now was it?
11/08/07 @ 7:16 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Buzz?.... Buzz?.....oh well....and youre welcome.
11/08/07 @ 7:36 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Clamshelli,

Follow the bouncing ball...read my post, I was refering to bitters claim that the two had gotten "busy" on Thursday. Since you've been replying for bitter, I assumed you agreed on the theory.
11/08/07 @ 7:50 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Yes, I was referring to that concept as well. I say that COULD have happened. You say, if that is the case, she didnt shower for 3 days. Hmm....If she had sex on Thursday, and was dead on Friday night... Kinda hard to shower if youre DEAD. OK? So ball is in your court :)
11/08/07 @ 8:14 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Hey Jack,

Glad to see you are willing to look at more than one angle to this case, & keep an open mind. Although, there are strong opinions in both camps, I would hope that all wish the same outcome to this case--just the real truth. Why so many loose ends?

Remember BG mentions condoms found in the septic tank--no follow up. CW's phone records, exactly, Buzz. Where are they, what do they say about who was calling, length of time, nature of the calls. Was someone making threats? If so, who & why?

RE: G.Smith- (may not have exact words, but very close) CCVoice, "Furor over W trial", after the trial, GS said, "I saw a white male, dark, but not black, oval face, between the age of 35-40, with dark hair. I think I saw this same man at the trial, but I don't want to go there, I know he didn't have anything to do with the murder". Who was that? Someone who took the stand, waiting to take the stand but did not, or in the courtroom? Did the driver flee in a panic upon the gruesome discovery, afraid to go to LE? How dare GS say this to the CCVoice.
11/08/07 @ 8:15 pm
Jack Coleman [Member] writes:
But it's not hard to shower when you're alive, clamshelli, as Worthington would have been for two days after she allegedly had sex with McCowen on Thursday to her death on Saturday afternoon as described above.

Two days without bathing after sex with the garbageman? Not likely.
11/08/07 @ 8:29 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
I stick to what I said earlier. Two days, three days, doesnt matter, a mother alone with a two year old can hardly find two minutes to go to the bathroom. Then, when she does catch a break, maybe she lucky the baby takes a nap, she just may have other priorities. Factor in the supposed messy housekeeping, and maybe even depression....I just dont see that as a show stopper, thats all. The Christmas tree story was documented, wasnt it? And the tree was still standing, so...just a silly argument.
11/08/07 @ 8:30 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
....and if GS knows who it is, doesn't he have an obligation to come forward and tell BG? Would this be considered perjury since he was under oath? If he recognized the driver during the trial shouldn't he have come forward at that time and not tell the Cape Cod Voice months later, only to leave the public wondering who this crazed driver was and if he was involved in the murder/coverup on some level. It's obvious by GS's testimony, he became frustrated by the lack of follow up by local police, and later upset when the Dudley Do-right duo, Mason & Burke show up trying to convince him of what they wanted him to see (a red car) instead of what he insisted he saw. Four years is a long time to wait to tell all LE wouldn't hear, then again, he seemed to recall a great number of details that somehow got swept away from the jurors ears. I just wonder if while finding out who this was, could he have been approached and asked to back off, and is afraid of who it is...
11/08/07 @ 11:03 pm
cw2 [Member] writes:
This is not an Ellery Queen dime-store novel or a film, the stuff that pure fiction is made of.

This woman was trusting, and DID NOT TAKE OUT A 209A AS SHE SHOULD HAVE.

The DA's office and LE know why women like us hesitate.

CW did not survive long enough to leave a very long documented paper trail, which is what I am fortunate enough to do having managed to survive having had 'the boots put to me.'

CM and his buddy RAPED AND THEN BEAT HER TO DEATH.

No, JC, he is not 'accused.' He is convicted.

'a "large dark vehicle"'

Regardless of how hysterically funny your 'big and black,' and oh, you just can't forget the 'buff,' blog is:

What is McGowen's lifetime criminal rap sheet? Not just convictions, as is presented in court, but police rap sheet?

How many 209A's? How many assaults and batteries against women?

How many other charges?

How many 'bids'?
11/08/07 @ 11:33 pm
cw2 [Member] writes:
JC,

One last note. And it is a due note of appreciation.

Because of CCToday's 'big, black, buff' blog-o'session with the oh-so-innocent CW's semen, and dragging CW into the gutter, the venue for this trial will not be held on CC.

Thank you.
11/08/07 @ 11:48 pm
cw2 [Member] writes:
*CM

CCToday has sunk far lower than any tabloid or paparazzi.

You are now the infamous 'BBB Blog.'

(Or the CCToday CM Mansonite cult, whichever you prefer.)

Please free CM. Do society a favor.

PLEASE!!!

URFD!!!

It ain't journalism.
11/09/07 @ 4:41 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
And you aint any kind of decent human being who can let an INNOCENT person suffer in HELL while the GUILTY one/s go free. This whole case was a lie from the start, and if you can't see that it's because you don't want to.
This place wanted to convict someone and they made sure it happened. Just because of dna. That's it. Then he tells you how it got there...there's records to back up what he says, there's nothing else at all proving what he says isn't true,(the "confession" was a lie) yet he gets convicted. EXCEPT....that jury was hung. It was hung twice, and if not for the machinations of the prosection team it would have stayed that way.Cause there was enough reasonable doubt to sink a ship!!And any reasonable person can see that.
But, now I can think of some people in this case who lied, and lied under oath. Is that a crime? Lied to a Grand Jury. Is that a crime? Yes or no. Oh, I forgot, they just "changed stories".
A witness was "fed" information by the police..is that allowed?
I geuss it's ok as long as it happens to some other poor schmuck and not you.
FREE CHRIS MCCOWEN
11/09/07 @ 5:13 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
And , by the way, no one is trashing CW. YOU have trashed someone and thrown him behind bars in that rat-trap, just because you could.
YOU always say, "where's the proof it was consensual, where's the phone calls,dozen roses, etc."
Well, it seems to me that when she asked him to come remove her tree, that was an invitation.OK? Can you take that without fainting?
And, as far as dating men...what's the problem with that?
YOU always want to say, "Oh, she would never..." Yeah, well maybe she would. And maybe she did. And you just can't stand that, can you?
ALL of you. That's what you can't stand, isn't it?
And you're perfectly happy to let Chris rot in there because of it!
Shame on you. You have no conscience, and if you do, you need to examine it. Because this horrible injustice is just going to go on forever until you do.
11/09/07 @ 5:52 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
For Buzz...from court tv:regarding the dna on her breast:

it was DNA collected within Ava's saliva. That is why all the reports - even from people watching the trial - said "in saliva". NO, it was not HIS saliva - Ava's saliva was carrying CMc's DNA. From skin, if you say so. This "skin" was not sitting alone on some dry spot on her breast.

Still, I think it is possible that Ava brought that small amount of DNA from the living room - where he claims he was on Thursday. Ava was all over her mother trying to nurse, so having it deposited there by her would be certainly possible.

I really doubt they checked the living room for DNA. too bad. [/*]
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11/09/07 @ 8:12 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
"Lemire also said sperm material taken from Worthington’s vagina matched McCowen’s DNA.

Lemire also testified that the saliva-type DNA found on Worthington’s right breast would likely be washed off if the person took a shower.

Lemire said Jeremy Frazier, Tim Arnold, Tony Jackett and Keith Amato did not match the DNA found on Worthington’s right breast and in her vagina"

Sorry bitter, please show me where it says it came from Ava?
11/09/07 @ 8:38 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
I don't know...I'm quoting from a poster on court tv. And it says Chris's dna on her breast was IN Ava's saliva. And also that Ava had been in and out of the living room, and could have easily transmitted some of his dna, since that was where he says they had sex. But we will never know, because they didn't dna test the living room. (did they?)But anyone can go to court tv and watch parts of the trial. I hear it's very interesting to watch without the emotional craze.
And what does that qoute about the shower have to do with anything? Are you saying it's impossibe that she didn't shower from Thursday on? How would you know that? And what's so strange about it?
And no one is disputing that his dna was found in her. We are disputing that he raped and murdered her! And all you can ever say is "Prove it was consensual sex." No, YOU prove he committed rape and murder!!
And since you brought up the name, and since you guys always bring up Chris's rap sheet, have you any idea what Frazier's rap sheet looks like? Stabbing a tourist with a knife is on it. Has some practice with it, huh?
11/09/07 @ 8:53 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Listen to BG's closing E.White's audio (link is on my last blog in comments)

Few comments he made worth closer examination:

Was SM's father home the weekend in question? The DA's office can retrieve easily: RMV records, cell phone, landline records, fingerprint cards--"very hard for you or I to obtain. NOT MY JOB TO FIND OUT WHO DID THIS CRIME. Presumption lies on govt. to provide the evidence beyond a resonable doubt--THEY FAILED TO DO SO"

....Welsh is 3rd generation to make judgeship on lower cape & publicity, the DA's re-election was built on this case. Book deals, movie deals, HBO deals, media broadcasts, who is this story about anyway? Who is profiting from this tragedy? I can tell you I'm doing this for free, just in search for the truth--my only motive, from the very beginning, summer of 02', while working in Wellfleet, how it all began for me. Couldn't stand to hear the comments by locals, "she got what she deserved, she had it coming..." What? how can anyone say those things? BG said, "only time people care is when it happens to one of their own"..
11/09/07 @ 9:01 am
crusader [Member] writes:
my boss in Wellfleet said, "the kid was asleep". I felt he knew more, but would not say, obviously there was an undercurrent of deep hatred towards CW brewing for time on lower cape. She was a city girl, confident in her abilities, maybe crossed a few lines in her personal life. BG said he believed she was killed on Sat., Jan.05,02'. I'm inclined to believe that as well. It fits unlike Fri. scenario painted by the DA's office. Was CM there? NO. We heard from Welsh, he drove alone to & from Bilbo's house afterparty, left early. We know JF was looking for girly action, he said this on the stand. Maybe JF & co., went to CW's & it fell apart from there. Maybe it was just staged to look as if JF did this & was someone else. A conspiracy theory is very difficult to prove, so RD was the only card BG had to play. Was it a drug cartel & CW was initiating a had of poker & was holding a full house? Don't know. But think about what we do know. There was MORE evidence at that house that was UNTESTED, why? DC in charge of evidence, unassigned to case but snooping around.
11/09/07 @ 9:11 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Saturday Fits:

PW heard a woman yelling, "stop!, stop", around same time GS say the mystery van driver 1-3pm, Sat.

The DA's office had to make the evidence fit...BG says this time and time again. It was the only way to frame CM for this crime.

Listen to EW's audios of trial, after all this time, it now makes more sense.

Why did GS say he recognized the black van driver at the trial, but didn't come forward with this information? These clues are essential to solving this case, but like what we see in the news everyday that is reflective of this one--careers are built on prosecuting criminals...bottom line.
11/09/07 @ 9:18 am
crusader [Member] writes:
.....and more and more, we are seeing minorities being prosecuted for crimes they have not committed. Does CM have a clean record....NO, he doesn't. Why do you think they got this case to stick? He was the perfect fall guy. Why was JF hanging around DM, a known murderer who spent 10 yrs. in Walpole state prison for the beheading/severing of hands of a 21 yr. old man? DM was released 6 months prior to the murder. JF, DM & SM worked for Magnum Movers, as well as CM. It was in the works for some time, but why did it take them 39 months to arrest CM? They had everything they needed from the beginning. Doesn't make sense. Not LE incompetence--it was intentional, for exact reasons, we don't know. Maybe many people fell upon this crime scene over the weekend and were in fear of being implicated. You've got to look at ALL angles. In this case, DNA worked against an innocent man, and allowed the real killer(s) to remain free. ALL evidence needs to be reviewed. Why was it hidden from the public. If not for BG's outstanding defense, none of this would have been told.
11/09/07 @ 9:38 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Amen to all that crusader...how did this ever turn from the prosection having to prove it's case to George having to prove Chris's innocence?
This is the most heart-breaking thing I've ever seen. For everyone involve.
And sorry you who always just wanted this to go away, what are we on this Earth for?
Either live on your feet or die on you knees.(or however that goes)
Chris is innocent. The "defenders of the law" are protecting the guilty.
You OK with that?
11/09/07 @ 10:45 am
crusader [Member] writes:
yes, bittersweet..BG, when addressing the jury said these words that now must sting:

"Jurors, you promised to look at this case with a CRITICAL eye...this case is not that simple."

So, my next question is, did the jurors (-3) make a commitment to sit & judge with prejudice, when they swore under oath, not to. The Cape is remote, having a small population of minorities. The news always displays the stereotype --minorities who committ crimes, living in an area with majority of white can keep people ignorant of the truth. It's not their fault, it's the way it is in certain places that are isolated from the mainstream diverse population. How many white-collar crimes do we NOT see in the news vs. those of poor, drug infested neighborhoods. The drug war starts at the top--not the bottom. Get your drug lords behind bars, stop the LE corruption, then you don't have these problems. People at the top making money off those who are vulnerable & less forunate. Same goes for the Cape. They have challenges in their economy. Maybe drugs are a way to make another income.
11/09/07 @ 10:51 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Look at the story in the paper this week of the two Boston officers who are now facing jail time for the cocaine shipment exposed by the FBI. There was mention of govt. involvement. These two officers are not white, one hispanic, the other black. Who else was involved? Were they set up too, fall guys? You have to think of the bigger picture here, will all that's been going on in the headlines, U.S. attorneys, DA's, Duke Case....someone is always made to take the fall, why not the real perpetrators of these crimes? We are being fed a bunch of BS, and maybe now in the world of Blogs--some truths will finally come out.
11/09/07 @ 12:10 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bittersweet,

If your going to post information about the crime, please do a little better than to post something that was posted on a court TV blog site and pass it off as evidence. It really exposes serious flaws in your argument.

I don't have to "prove" he commited murder and rape, that was done in a court of law by a jury of his peers. He's convicted and spending the rest of his life in jail. However, I believe in the justice system and if he's awarded a mis-trial or re-trial, I can live with that.
11/09/07 @ 12:51 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
I never said it was evidence, did I? Don't think so. You asked a question, and I answered it the best I can.
I'm not a lawyer making and argument. Obviously!
But, I do know Chris, and know he would never do this....so I just have to do the best I can with the information that's out there.
And that's enough fot a lifetime.
Honest to god, people are going to look at this and think the whole place was under some kind of hypnotic mind control.
Because it's so OBVIOUS what they did to connive this whole thing, but you have to be willing to see it.

And if he is awarded a mis-trial, what of the people who perpetrated it? Do they get to go on as if nothing happened?
Well,all I can say is I hope with all my might everyday that this will be over, and Chris can get the hell out of that dungeon of evil that your enforcers put him in.

Who will pay him back for that? Or Ava for losing her mommy? No-one, that's who. They're all just soaking up the sun in Florida from the sounds of it.
Thank you crusader for that and all the great info.
11/09/07 @ 12:59 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

Try looking at the missing pieces of this puzzle, rather than what's been told by the DA's office that didn't have a case, & had to fabricate one, all the way to a manipulated verdict of guilty.

There are too many unanswered questions. Others had more motive to kill CW--CM had no motive.

What about ALL the evidence that was untested? Hairs, fingerprints, DNA of 3 separate males found under her fingernails, blood stains, footprint on door, palm print on the door, other semen found on her leg....Welsh mentions her foot was "propped" under the bookcase...was that a slip? I say it was a staged crime scene & someone in LE with much experience in evidence knew what to do with this place. Someone saw a cruiser parked outside her house on night in question...maybe they just roughed her up, went back later to finish her off...who knows the truth, if the public is not allowed to know all the FACTS of this case, along with the EVIDENCE. It's been said time & time again by locals that she was involved with LE--if so, all they say is subject to question.
11/09/07 @ 1:02 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
....also been told that Truro LE did not provide their DNA samples. Why not? It is standard procedure in order to eliminate LE who are handling the scene of the crime, but in this case--there is reason to believe someone in LE was INVOLVED.
11/09/07 @ 1:07 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
The two of you have so much more information than the defense attorney, maybe you can defend him if there's a re-trial. Let's see what happens to all your allegations, theories and "alleged" witnesses.
11/09/07 @ 1:08 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
crusader,

Wouldn't that alone be enough for a re-trial? Check your facts....once again.
11/09/07 @ 1:12 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

What? LE involvement with victim?

Yes, but hard to prove if you don't have the officers DNA, don't ya think, Buzzy?
11/09/07 @ 1:21 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
...an acqaintance, local, neighbor of CW said:

"I told the members of the DNA sweep-team I would submit my DNA ONLY when the Truro LE submit their own DNA."

Later, I went back to ask if they were willing to say more-response was:

"I really can't say more. This is a very small town, you know how it is."

"Yes, I do", I replied politely, & dropped it. So, there is just one example of the FEAR that is placed on the locals NOT TO COME FORWARD with what they may know. How else to explain that comment?

As far as "musical beds" in small towns--who cares....except that it may shed some light to the last series of events that occurred prior to the murder. BG said, "I didn't put those 10 witnesses up on the stand because it would have ruined their lives". Maybe that was one reason not to press on, maybe the drug trafficking would be revealed, or other sorted details. But not knowing leads to unreliable speculation which convicted an innocent man. Ask the writer why she told the DA of CW's lifestyle...people who throw stones..maybe her own personal reasons.
11/09/07 @ 1:27 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Are you telling me crusader that "you" went down and where questioning neighbors of CW's?
11/09/07 @ 1:39 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
NO- this person volunteered this information to me. I won't say how we met, because this person could be "black-balled", like others who have come forward with information about this case. I've learned it's best to keep anonymity due to some unpleasant experiences I've had since I began to blog about this story. There are people involved that don't want to be "talked about", that try to find out who we are. TOO FREAKIN' BAD--a woman is dead--every stone should be uncovered in order to find the truth. Some people involved should not be allowed exemption. My involvement in writing about this story was all very innocent. People felt comfortable sharing with me. I would hope the readers understand I have no agenda--unlike others, including writers with book deals. I see MF & PM as literary ambulance chasers with axes to grind...one over the victim, the other with those involved. Not good reasons to write books. The truth is priority. It amazes me how many people are connected by relation, employment, etc. It is a very small place in that regard.
11/09/07 @ 1:56 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
I think it's time you came forward and started "naming" these people you think are involved. The truth will set you free...until then, you're beating a dead horse.
11/09/07 @ 2:02 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
cw2;
I'm sure you won't answer this, but are you saying CM did something to you? Or that his buddy did? (And JF was not his buddy)
And who are "woman like us"?
And before you just get angry, and dismiss me as you always do, Know this;
I was molested at five years old, have been raped four times in my adult life, and was in an abusive marriage.
I am the biggest bitch in the world at going after men who abuse women and children.
But Chris is not one of them, this I know. You don't have to accept that, but it's true.
And having been subject to the worst kind of insinuations on this board, and you were one of them, it kind of rings a little hollow that you get upset when people speak about things you don't like.
And, as someone who has also been vilontly treated, i want to see the real perpetrators get their punishment, not someone they set up as their patsy.
So, we should all be on the same side here, as crusader said...to get to the truth.
Enough innocent people have suffered. Time for the guilty ones to.
11/09/07 @ 2:29 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

You will have to go back and do the research yourself, until the truth comes out at a new trial, or otherwise, my allegiance is to the innocents of this story: CW, her child, & CM. The truth should be revealed in a court of law, all would agree, not for me to speculate--we already see the damage that has done to CM's fate. This case needs a re-investigation through proper channels.

There was a rumor that Crimenews2000 CW thread was in danger of being shut down by some who didn't like what locals had to say about them. What gives them the right? If a site is there for posters to have discussion, why are they bullying those who are in search for the truth about such a brutal crime! You have to ask yourself that question--what do they have to hide?
11/09/07 @ 2:37 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
bittersweet,

How can you remain credible? You say "I am the biggest bitch in the world at going after men who abuse woman" What about the 5 restraining orders from 5 different women that CM had against him. What a hypocrite.

crusader, rumor, rumor, rumor....get's a little tiring. Stand-up and be counted....come forward wiht some evidence and release the names???
11/09/07 @ 2:37 pm
cw2 [Member] writes:
Any and all sordid details defamizing CW and exposing all the nasty crime on CC are welcome on CCToday's 'Big, Black, and Buff' Blog.

Bitter, I didn't need to know, but it explains much about you. You have my pity. Get into counseling.

The criminal rap sheet is no surprise; stop crying, bitter, he's used to it, and it's not a hell hole. You clearly have watched too much CTV.

Crusader, you also need some serious help with your BBB obsession.

However, I do not believe I will be hiring Magnum Movers when I move off CC. Thanks for the tip.

Btw, that was me screaming, 'Stop, stop!'

Not just at CM2, but now at you and bitter.

I reiterate, LE and the courts and a 209A are a safe bet.

Try to control your bbb obsessions unless you are willing to come forward with anything other than your misinformed, distorted allegations.

Now, I am busy removing all those condoms stuck in my septic from having sex with every garbage man and LE official on CC, so that you don't do to me what you are doing to CW and her family.

You are giving CC a very bad name.
11/09/07 @ 2:56 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
cw2,

Sorry you feel that way....interesting what you said about your dear cousin, at the trial, "she was not very discriminate about the men she chose to be with"...so WHO IS defaming her character? If you really cared, you would allow all the FACTS about this case to be out in the open. I have always maintained that CW was led down the dark path, that she didn't bring this on herself--but there are those in this case who have done just that. Why not go bully them? I for one, would like to know why CW chose the Chase's to raise her daughter instead of other options. Can you answer that one?


I'm wondering just why JC has written this blog....are they fishing again? Trying to find out what we know? Who we are? Slippery slopes all over the place...one bitten, twice shy.
11/09/07 @ 3:10 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
CW2,

As far as obsessions go....I don't know exactly why I've kept up with it, quite frankly, let's just say I have an acute perception and this case happens to be one of those stories that rings--CORRUPT & EVIL. I don't like people taking advantage of my kindness and support. I don't like to see innocent people hurt. I don't like to see women brutally murdered leaving orphan children to wonder what really happened to their mother, only to be left with a legacy of book deals distorting the facts, a DA that doesn't know his job, and an island that has been silenced. If you truly are who you say you are, you should be fighting for the truth, for the sake of your beloved neice & island you claim I am condemning. I guess you are working on shutting CCToday down now, and failed at shutting down Crimenews2000. Are you alone in this crusade, or do you have cohorts? Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to my obsession.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH is a wonderful thing....censoring innocent citizens in search of the truth is not.
11/09/07 @ 3:22 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Yes-god bless America...what's left of it.
And Walpole is not a hellhole? I may need counseling, but you need a reality check!!
And I too have a hard time believing she's who she says, unless her family has a habit of saying GTFOUH to people they don't know.
And as for giving Cape Cod a bad name...where to start?
Even though you poo-poo'ed it, court tv has some real smart people on it. And believe me, it's not the people who question what happened that are giving Cape Cod a bad name. It's the apologists for anything the authorities say, even though it flies in the face of reason.
And allowing the crap to go on because we can never admit a mistake!
And, of course the sad,old,tired response of "you don't like it, leave", or "you're lucky to be here", so shut up
All I can say is watch the trial. You will be saying wtf a lot. It's available on court tv, at least parts of it.
I will never watch it because I don't like throwing up.
11/09/07 @ 3:35 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
And Buzz,
I believe I mentioned this a long time ago, but I was there during 2 of those orders, and they were bogus. And I remember,as someone who had been abused, being very angry that they put those restaining orders on him. He had done no harm. And this was a case of the police pushing them to do it.
So, as far as the others, I don't know, but knowing what i do makes me very suspect.
And if you and cw2 keep pushing this whole criminal past issue, it is seriously going to bite you in the butt.
You'd better look at who else is involved here before you cast too many stones.
11/09/07 @ 3:44 pm
cw2 [Member] writes:
CCToday/Editors/JC:

JC, good question: why did you post this?

My guess is to get a reaction, which you did.

Whomever this crusader-paranoid-BBB-obsessed freak is insinuating I am proves the extraordinarily delusional clinical pathology of this commenter.

The offensive of this Blog is now beyond repute.

Most of us, if you haven't noticed -- other than bitter and crusader -- have no interest in their BBB pornographic fantasies they post on CCToday.

If the princely, career-criminal, but oh-so BBB CM is released back into society, he knows which two are waiting for him.

I am trying to get CM2 back into prison, where he has spent most of his life for abusing women. He belongs back in Walpole or any of the other MCIs he's been privileged to be a resident of. They don't even have to work.

Hell-hole? Massachusetts prisons are a revolving-door cakewalk for career criminals; why do you think they always return?

You have lost yet another reader.

You are just too offensive.

Ellery Queen novel. JC...
11/09/07 @ 3:46 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Sounds like he's been a victim for a very long time....must be the big and black thing. Criminal in the past thing....bite me in the butt....I don't think so...tell me, and I'm sorry it happend to you, how does someone get raped 4 times? Maybe it was "false" information and the person(s) that did it were set up? You know, like CM.
11/09/07 @ 4:19 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Figures you would make light of it, as your friends around here make light of children being sexually abused...who is offensive?
I got raped 4 times because I asked for it, you know?
You know, just like CW "deserved what she got".
Your attitude fits this crime buzz, although I suspect it was you who were turned down by CW, and that explains your absolute hatred of CM.
It will be a good day when all this comes to a head...cause it's going to, and people are going to see "the real Cape Cod", and it's not going to be pretty.
You really ought to be ashamed of yourself, but we already know you have no conscience or sense of right and wrong.
11/09/07 @ 6:06 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
I have no idea of who "my friends" are that make light of children being abused. But you just make-up anything you want, you have no credibility and I really question your motivations. In addition to being a convicted murderer, your friend CM has been an abuser of women, a burglar and a car thief. Am I missing anything? But you continue to tell us that he's the victim and such a nice guy.
11/09/07 @ 8:52 pm
bob [Member] writes:
I asked it a number of times and I will ask again and if the answer is clear, I will stop thinking/saying that CM is innocent.

What factual reasoning is there that put CM in jail?

He has been convicted of 1st degree murder with no clear motive, no weapon and no witnesses that claim he killed anyone with premeditation, has been convicted of 1st degree rape when an expert explained on the stand there was no proof of forced sex and he was convicted of 1st degree burglary and nothing of hers was found on him, in his apartment or connected to him out on the streets. How does any of this make sense?
11/09/07 @ 9:10 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Thank you Bob. Good questions...in a nutshell. That is the story.
11/09/07 @ 10:18 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Ya know....Ive always wondered about the burglary part. What was missing? Where did that come in? Ive heard rumors of a laptop....and maybe a diary...BUT those were just rumors. Maybe Im wrong, but what was taken from her house....does anyone remember hearing about that in the trial?
11/09/07 @ 10:38 pm
legalbeagle [Member] writes:
Bob,

Read his statements. If you can stand what he had to say.

And why the Motion to Dismiss was denied.

He did himself in. His details, his lies.

HIS STORY. HIS LIFE. HIS LIES. NO ONE ELSE'S.
11/09/07 @ 10:47 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
sorry legalbeagle.....but WHOS statement? The jury even threw that "statement" out.
11/09/07 @ 11:27 pm
legalbeagle [Member] writes:
A Motion to Dismiss.

Read it.

Watch the trial.

If you can stand any of it.

His exact details of the atrocious way she was raped and murdered, for what was supposed to be a b and e--McGowen's tears were those of a guilty man. Who regrets having to think about what he's done, which he now has plenty of time to do.

Get over it.

He and Frazier did it.

Frazier may have planned it, as the witness so stated, and has gotten away with the same crimes.

And Frazier belongs exactly where McGowen rightly is.

Do your research before you too turn into a Mansonite on on the B-B-B CCToday Blog.
11/10/07 @ 7:15 am
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
legalbeagle,
Since I am a woman who lives on the Outer Cape, I have followed this case from the day the murder happened. There was a cold blooded killer loose, and since this is such a small place, most of the names were familiar to me. Believe me, Ive done my "homework". I watched every minute of that trial. I wanted to feel safe again and know the killer was put away. What I saw in that courtroom shocked me. From the begining, that "statement' not taped. Written my "memory" days later - the question of that call from the State Police barracks that cause the well rehearsed Mason to turn ten shades of red. The jury threw out that "statement" because they "didnt believe CM would incriminate himself in that way" = LE lied. JF being "fed" what to say. A convicted murderer that supplied the cell phone - NOWHERE to be seen or even heard about. Oh, there is plenty more....Ive done my homework. You may think all the people on the Cape are that stupid and should just be happy to see this all go away, Sorry, its not. We are NOT safe here. The whole case was sham.
11/10/07 @ 7:56 am
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Exactly, and all they ever do is insult people, rather than bother to answer the SIMPLE questions. And they are simple.
Which is the baffling part of this whole thing. What happened to make so many people lose their ability to reason?
You can definately hear the hatred of these people who write on ths blog...pure hatred of CM, and anyone who DARES to speak up for him. And the evilness of many of them.
And then, you think, "what is your problem?" "Why are you so un-hinged about this?"
Very strange.
But,hey...Why don't you go with Bob's questions, if you dare. And leave the false statement out of it.

He has been convicted of 1st degree murder with no clear motive, no weapon and no witnesses that claim he killed anyone with premeditation, has been convicted of 1st degree rape when an expert explained on the stand there was no proof of forced sex and he was convicted of 1st degree burglary and nothing of hers was found on him, in his apartment or connected to him out on the streets. How does any of this make sense?
11/10/07 @ 2:41 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Hundreds of prisoners have reported unrelenting sadistic harassment from the staff at MCI Cedar Junction. Staff repeatedly torment prisoners by contaminating their food with pubic hair, urine, spit and other offensive substances. This practice has become so common and traumatic, that many prisoners refuse to eat their food unless it comes pre-packaged. It has also led to suicide attempts and self-mutilation by prisoners. Staff will shake down cells of particular prisoners over and over, destroying their property, urinating on their mattresses, and stealing their personal items and legal documents. The various methods of psychological torture and harassment are too numerous to count, the staff at Cedar Junction seem to be very creative in their methods.
11/10/07 @ 2:43 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
The severity and number of beatings and retaliatory assaults inflicted by guards at MCI Cedar Junction far surpasses that at any other institution in Massachusetts. Prisoners are subject to arbitrary beatings in which broken bones, concussions, and hospital trips are not uncommon. Prisoners who take legal action against officers who assault them are then singled out for horrendous and interminable harassment and brutality. The fact that the section on brutality is the largest in this document attests to the gravity of situation in MCI Cedar Junction.
11/10/07 @ 3:00 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Not such a bad place, eh cw2? Especially when you were sent there on false imprisonment.
Ah, but don't fret, as Judge Nickerson said,"You made the right decision. He has an automatic appeal."
2.5 years and counting.
11/10/07 @ 3:20 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
"McCowen's DNA was found on Worthingtons breast, medical examiner said it would have come off if she showered"
11/10/07 @ 4:15 pm
susan [Member] writes:
Just think, if convicted murders in Walpole, committed the murders in Texas, they would be on Death Row. Someone pissing in their cherrios, would seem like a day at the Country Club.
11/10/07 @ 4:26 pm
legal_owl [Member] writes:
hey buzz...you have worn out that line
where did i hear that her tub was full of toys? was that in court or in the rumor mill?
11/10/07 @ 4:35 pm
legal_owl [Member] writes:
hmmm susan...so based on the number of murder convictions and the number of executions in texas, do you think that the death penalty is a deterrent to murder?
is your statement implying that you think harassment and beatings and torture are okay if the victim is a convicted felon?
11/10/07 @ 4:40 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
legal_owl,

The "line" appears automatically every time bitter mentions "he's innocent". Sorry, beyond my control. Does the death penalty necessarily have to be a "deterrent"? Can't it just be the punishment?
11/10/07 @ 4:44 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
legal_owl,

I guess in Texas, it is a deterrent: "Within Texas, the most aggressive death penalty prosecutions are in Harris County (the Houston area). Since the resumption of executions in 1982, the annual number of Harris County murders has plummeted from 701 to 241 -- a 72 percent decrease."
11/10/07 @ 4:51 pm
legal_owl [Member] writes:
lol buzz
i understand the knee jerk reaction
as for punishment being the primary cause for executions, i prefer life and lots of time for regrets, if not remorse
11/10/07 @ 4:54 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
I also prefer life, as do the departed i"m sure.
11/10/07 @ 4:56 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
On the death penalty...I dont trust our judicial system enough to make that kind of decision. Even ONE mistake cannot be tolerated. This case is a perfect example of that. People just hate CM so much that if they could have fried him, they would. I just wish people could look at the TRIAL, and try to take HIM out of equation for a minute. I dont say CM is completely innocent here, I just say he isnt the killer. I am outraged by the trial itself.
11/10/07 @ 4:57 pm
legal_owl [Member] writes:
i don't have time to do a lengthy research project at the moment, but thanks for the info
makes me wonder what is happening statewide in those regards
more concerned with where bittersweet found what she posted
and even more interested in finding out if susan (or you, if you care to respond) thinks that it is ok to harass, beat and torture prisoners if they are convicted felons
what about if it is just someone that has been arrested and awaiting trial, is it still ok to harm these people?
11/10/07 @ 5:22 pm
susan [Member] writes:
Wow legal calm down. Not all of us sit here and stare at the screen with nothing better to do. Had I known you were waiting for my answer, I surely would have dropped everything for you ;)

Let me put it to you this way Legal, if my sister or daughter, had been murdered I would not have thought twice about having the murderer (s) and accomplices killed. If they tortured him first, all the better. How about you had it been your daughter? Say a few prayers for the murderer and call it even?
11/10/07 @ 5:42 pm
bob [Member] writes:
"McCowen's DNA was found on Worthingtons breast, medical examiner said it would have come off if she showered"

So this proves she didn't shower. So? Are you associating this fact with his convictions and why he is in jail? I don't see how, if was an attempt to, this answers my questions. Does anyone have a logical, factual answer to any of them? legalbeagles answer is just the same as everyone else that claims he's guilty. Where does he say anywhere that he killed her? Accesory? Maybe, but again, where's the proof? Frazier still has some answering for this and when he is linked to it, then the truth will come out, IMO. He'll squeel like a pig.
11/10/07 @ 5:54 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
I agree Bob. My feeling is that there are quite a few people that have knowledge and are involved in this case. Things are getting hot and I think there is going to be a lot of "sqealing pigs" very soon. First squealer cuts the best deal. Its just a matter of time.
11/10/07 @ 6:59 pm
bittersweet [Member] writes:
Oink, Oink, Buzz?
legal_owl,just google cedar junction walpole and there are many sites. But, first you have to wade through the "official" spin.
And just for the record, anyone who promotes torture and murder is no better than the people who committ the original crime. What's the difference between you then?
11/10/07 @ 6:59 pm
legal_owl [Member] writes:
calm down? lol not excited yet
thank you for responding
you immediately assume things you know nothing about and voice them
you compound this with a view of your moral fiber, slightly warped in my opinion
so let's reverse the situation and determine if your answer would be the same or different
IF it were your brother or cousin or husband or lover incarcerated in a facility that is criticized as one of the worst in the MA DOC, and if YOU thought he were wrongly incarcerated, would it still be ok for the guards to harass and beat and torture him since he would then be a convicted felon? would he cease to be a human being at the time of incarceration?
11/10/07 @ 7:02 pm
legal_owl [Member] writes:
thanks bitter
just thought you had quoted from a specific source
11/10/07 @ 7:11 pm
legal_owl [Member] writes:
hey bob,
i enjoy being devil's advocate
just can't take the other side in this instance
i agree wholeheartedly
you voiced my own opinion so well about this case
never have i seen it summed up quite so succinctly
i could elaborate on each of your points for pages and pages, but won't
11/10/07 @ 9:25 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Yeah legal, just do a google search and you can find out about the "torture" going on at Cedar Junction.

Pleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzze.
11/10/07 @ 9:40 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Buzz, do you hate CM so much that you cant get past that? Can you actually look at the trial, and what happened there, and put your obvious hate for him aside...for one minute?
11/10/07 @ 10:03 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
clamshelli,

I don't hate CM, I hate what he did. Do I have problems with some of the other players involved...absolutely. Do I think that CM conveniently showed up at CW's house and had consensual sex with her days before she was murdered? NO. Do I think he was involved...yes. Do I believe the cops who interviewed him when he told them of his involvement? YES. Do I think there's a big conspiracy...NO. Do I believe that OJ Simpson killed two people...YES. Do I believe in hearsay and some of the crap that people have made up on this blog about this case...NO

Tell me, can you "PROVE" to me that CM wasn't involved in her death?
11/10/07 @ 10:10 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Why do I keep bringing up the dna on her breast? Because I can't get past it. When the crime scene technicians gathered their evidence on that cold evening, they had no idea who CM was. To them, he wasn't black, white, big or small. He was the murderer of an innocent woman.
11/10/07 @ 10:12 pm
clamshelli [Visitor] writes:
Buzz,
Can I ask you one question? Can you explain that phone call....from the barracks? The call to DM/JF's cell phone....on th