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Summit participants ponder Cape's economic, demographic problems

Growth in year-round population ending, younger workers leaving

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Participants in Cape Cod Economic Summit II listen to a panel discussion. The summit was held Friday at Cape Cod Community College.

Summit explores alternatives to Cape stalwarts of tourism, retirees

By James Kinsella

A year ago, demographer Peter Francese warned the first Cape Cod Economic Summit that demographic trends showed that population growth on the Cape, long one of the fastest growing areas in New England, had essentially stopped, and that the Cape further was losing its younger working adults.

On Friday, economist Neeta Fogg of Northeastern University told the 300 people who gathered for Cape Cod Economic Summit II that the Cape continues to lose these workers.

Meanwhile, Fogg said, the overall Cape economy is getting worse. Whatever modest employment gains realized between 2004 and 2007 have been more than wiped out by this year's economic downturn, she said.

And she anticipates that the Cape economy, along with the Massachusetts, New England and U.S. economies will get worse before they get better.

People looking for reasons why economics is called the dismal science would have found them quickly at the summit, held from Friday morning through early afternoon at the Tilden Arts Center at Cape Cod Community College in West Barnstable.

But they also would have found good reason to start looking beyond the Cape's de facto motto of recent decades: "In Tourism and Retirees We Trust."

Cape residents long have paid lip service to diversifying the region's economy beyond those reliable sectors.

Now, with economic and population growth stagnating on the Cape, summit participants are casting about for specific ways to create new growth and retain the Cape's younger working adults.

Cape Cod Focus, a study group formed in the wake of last year's economic summit, has stated that the Cape's economics and demographics are out of balance.

Steve Abbott, the co-chairman of the group, said matters have grown even more serious on the Cape with this year's economic slowdown.

"What before was important, now is imperative," Abbott told summit participants.

One strategy put forward at the summit to help the Cape: regionalization, especially of schools.

Summit participants such as Harwich Selectman Robin Wilkins said regionalization not only can save money through economies of scale, but can offer more resources and opportunities to the larger student populations in the centralized schools.

Chatham and Harwich, which long have considered merging their school districts, have renewed their discussions.

Carolyn Cragin, superintendent of the Harwich schools, said she anticipates that the state Department of Education will be moving to encourage smaller districts on the Cape to merge. If districts move now, she said, they have a chance to structure a merger themselves, rather than wait for a merger to be imposed from above.

Wilkins said Cape residents really should be thinking beyond merging small districts to creating a single school district for the entire Cape, an organization that would have the resources to offer world-class education that will allow Cape students to compete in a global economy.

Other speakers pointed to existing Cape zoning and rules that make it far easier to build single-family homes for retirees than apartments for younger workers just starting out.

Paul Niedzwicki, executive director of the Cape Cod Commission, said the commission is interested in fostering growth incentive zones where regulations are relaxed and mixed residential and commercial uses are encouraged. Niedzwicki said the Cape needs to start looking at its challenges with a 21st century vision rather than a post-World War II vision.

Wendy Northcross, chief executive officer of the Cape Cod Chamber of Commerce, said the chamber plans to compile the ideas put forward at Friday's summit. Northcross said a committee formed for the purpose then will choose a single objective to focus on for a year, and pursue that objective with a "laser beam" focus, rather than spending a little time on many different initiatives. The following year, the committee would choose a new objective, and so on.

Among those attending the summit was Stephanie Coxe, an aide to state Rep. Cleon Turner of the 1st Barnstable District.

Coxe said the actions that summit participants pursue or don't pursue will have a real effect on the lives of Cape Codders.

So long as the Cape continues to rely on tourism and retirees, she said, the "two Cape Cods" will remain: one a Cape of poorer, working-class residents, the other of more comfortable, affluent residents.

"That divide's going to continue," she said.

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Wendy Northcross, left, chief executive officer of the Cape Cod Chamber of Commerce, Barnstable County Commissioner William Doherty and Susan Rohrbach, aide to state Sen. Robert O'Leary, compare notes at conclusion of Friday's economic summit.

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11/14/08 @ 6:51 pm
Andy Buckley [Member] writes:
Would someone please explain to me how regionalizing school systems will retain and attract young people? I fail to see the connection.
11/14/08 @ 7:45 pm
rumdunnco [Member] writes:
I also fail to see the connection. It just seems like another "meeting of the minds" to discuss the problem without coming up with any practical solution.
11/14/08 @ 7:53 pm
possee [Member] writes:
Except for low paying service jobs, elder care, and fast food..
there is no economy on Cape Cod..
Why do thousands commute off Cape every day?
They need a conference summit to figure this out?

Ahh.. overeducated idiots at so called work again..

possee
11/14/08 @ 7:58 pm
rumdunnco [Member] writes:
2nd that possee.
11/14/08 @ 8:13 pm
smahkcep [Visitor] writes:
I cud be wrong poss, butt I think it more like hundreds...

Many of those used to travese to ACK but now that the trade work has dried up...

Would however, be interesting to get the #'s from the bus lines, air lines & a count on the commuters...

"Thousands" seems like over the top. Even so, there are 10,s of 10's of thousands that are able to make a decent living on 'Ol Cape Cod... Despite what you know who says.

FYI: The 'trades' make a significant living here outside of the tourist industry as well.

Be kind. (Yeah, I know, I know...)
11/14/08 @ 8:42 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Drop the drinking age to 18 and reinstate "Happy Hours" and you'll get your young'ns back.
11/14/08 @ 9:06 pm
capecod nurse [Member] writes:
Real bright Buzz...lower the drinking age so we can have hundreds more drunk drivers on the road. Yeah, that's the ticket.
11/14/08 @ 9:07 pm
somebunny [Visitor] writes:
there's nothing here to keep the younger generation. Alot of clubs have closed, the ones that are open are questionable, no affordable housing where they can feel safe...
11/14/08 @ 9:09 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
capecodnurse,

wake up and smell the coffee. It was tongue n' cheek. Meant as a joke....get it? Don't need a lecture on drinking and driving, no all there is to know.

As a disclaimer, please everyone, joke...not serious.
11/14/08 @ 9:37 pm
Andy Buckley [Member] writes:
Perhaps it would be instructive to go to areas that DO attract young people, figure out what those things might be, then try out a few of them here.

These studies have already been done, but it would seem no one at these gatherings has the simplest understanding of what is going on. Maybe they need to SEE it with their own eyes.
11/14/08 @ 9:47 pm
spunky [Member] writes:
awwww Andy and of course things look good thru your rose colored glasses
11/14/08 @ 10:47 pm
smahkcep [Visitor] writes:
Sheeet... If I wus 18 again, it wulda saved me from driving all the way to Port Jeff NY to get sick!

Buzz... Tell em to pluck the pluck off...

Can't take a joke *luckem. Give it a break - What R you? cruz reincarnated?

Hic!
11/15/08 @ 8:23 am
cantankerous [Member] writes:
It's always the same cast of characters that huddle among themselves to talk about solving the Cape's "problems".

Maybe if the community leaders were receptive to new people and new ideas, some solutions would arise.
11/15/08 @ 8:34 am
smahkcep [Visitor] writes:
Keep in mind this has to be done 'unannounced' for it to be effective:

Raise $100k for each on of the homeless; buy each of them a one-way bus ticket to Miami Beach...

When they are boarding the bus(s) give em the cash & enough booze & food for the duration of the trip...

Hire private security to make sure nobody gets off until they reach MB.

The town takes all the shelters etc. by eminate domain & converts them to youth & senior centers immediately.

Problem solved.

(P.s. Think of the boost to the economy in MB!... We will be heros!)
11/15/08 @ 9:17 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Your elite island snobs won't allow change. Maybe the senator & chambermaid need to go. How many of your boards are elderly who donate but are out of touch with the world. outer cape health. The people at the top getting paid to keep screwing things up. I watched them hire friends of BOD only to fire good competent people. Who is that guy that works for ccfive? Bang up job fellas. How's the trailer in Wellfleet holding up? Still working in the red while CEO makes 100k? Where do they think they are wallstreet? You need balance. Small towns want it all, sorry doesn't work that way. Tell them to build affordable housing, let real industry come. If not, your crimes, homeless, closed communities will continue to thrive. Andy- compare Cape to Cambridge. Listen to reputable researchers who are the only non-hack participants. Changing of the guards is first step. How do expect young adults to live on 20k? It is financial suicide. Job Market is highly competitive, they must stay in the race in order to survive.Smart parents who have some means to help their children let them leave.
11/15/08 @ 9:22 am
obfuscator [Member] writes:
Tucked in bed by 11 p.m., out and about by 8:30 a.m. Seems about right. Some people worry about bars. I worry about cars. I think Route 28 could use some trolley cars, like San Fran. That might attract the youngn's. Unfortunately, when you move to the Cape, you must bring your money with you. Cash is preferable, especially these days.
11/15/08 @ 9:32 am
bipr [Member] writes:
I didn't see too many people under, oh, age 55 or so, mentioned in the article as participating in the summit. With all due respect, and they could've been there but not mentioned, I think we need to include young families and young adults in the solution, before they're gone for good.

Andy, I'd venture that regional schools - at least at the high school level - could provide more AP courses, better arts programs, etc. But sending one's second-grader on a two-hour bus trip to a regional elementary school is not a plus.
11/15/08 @ 9:42 am
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru,

Do you have any idea how many of your "elite" college professors and Cambridgeites come to the Cape and enjoy second homes here? Why do you think that is?
11/15/08 @ 9:57 am
elizza [Member] writes:
These comments are a sad negative representation of our community. Easy to point fingers and blame those who show up. Myers' remarks at the summit said the world belongs to those who show up. Any of these commenters show up, or is this just lazy hearsay?

FYI approximately 14,000 commuters go over the bridge, and nearly as many commute onto the Cape.

Yes, the young people do need something to do. It's part of the problem. What's the a solution? Didn't read one here?

School regionalization is but one of a variety of solutions. Everything needs to be regionalized. Maybe this economic mess will force it. Regionalization will cut duplication of expenses and enhance services. It's a complicated problem that demands a complicated solution from leaders like Myers, Niedzwicki, Sheehan and Abbott, who gave their time and ideas. Let's thank them and ask how we can help/contribute instead of juvenile whining.

Jobs and employment are key -- what kind will determine our future. My weblog talks about it. elizabethjharris.com
11/15/08 @ 11:04 am
Andy Buckley [Member] writes:
Spunky, for the record I don't respond to ad hominem. Especially if it doesn't make any sense.

Bipr, whether a better education is provided by a large school or a small school is a separate issue (but one which I would willingly take on). Whether young families are attracted to an area with a regional school system or more local control is also debatable (this coming from the father of a kindergartner).

But regardless of which avenue you take to get an excellent school system or even how much it costs, you will end up with a group of 18 year-olds who have even greater opportunities for mobility. In other words, the smarter you make them, the faster they will leave.

Young people leaving or not wanting to move here are doing so for reasons that make sense for their immediate future. If you ask them why, "the Cape needs better schools" is probably far down the list.
11/15/08 @ 11:50 am
bipr [Member] writes:
Andy, I'd agree about schools not being the make-or-break issue here. The Cape has some excellent schools, including charters like Lighthouse and Sturgis that would be a draw if that were one's main criterion.
11/15/08 @ 12:17 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
RIGHT people in charge, would create a thriving region attracting dedicated residents. Second homeowners, retirees, tourists don't get involved. If they dare to run against entrenched hacks, Mayflower puritans they get the boot. CC is skating on the same cracked pond waiting to thaw from the wallstreet meltdown. You can always beg for charity from your waterfront elite.They might want to cut back. How many loans are your local banks writing these days? Going to be a wild sh!tstorm. Those who made their money, don't give back. Maybe the IRS should call Swiss banks. CC is effected by our global fiscal disaster. Take proper measures or suffer fallout. It's really that simple. I work at college w bil in endowment. Sociologists, economists know more than hacks. Prof don't have to fear job security, hacks do.
11/15/08 @ 1:18 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Noam Chomsky is just one so what is your point?
11/15/08 @ 1:47 pm
Andy Buckley [Member] writes:
Cru, having lived in Central Square in the 90's, there are a few pointers to take from the place -- as well as a few examples not to follow. It would be hard to replicate a world class educational institution that's been around for 300 years (founded by those Boston Puritans -- sorry, none were on the Mayflower) equipped with the choicest urban real estate in New England and an endowment larger than the budgets of many small countries.
Bouncing between Chatham and Cambridge, it was easy to see that both could be insufferably parochial in their own ways. One lesson to take away is that a lack of affordable housing is not a make or break issue on retaining or attracting young people. And I speak as a lifelong of advocate of housing for the less-than-affluent.
Attracting one or more colleges or universities (or part thereof) would be helpful. But can one imagine the regulatory hurtles thrown up to one on the Cape?
11/15/08 @ 1:48 pm
Don [Member] writes:
I tried bringing up some of these issues when I ran and got hammered. First, the Cape is not wanting in smart kids due to a lack of "bigness" in it's schools. My daughter graduated from Harwich and went on to graduate from Fordham University cum laude carrying two majors (math and psychology). She's not coming back. There are plenty more just like her.

My other daughter got married and left (finding that her husband kept more money after taxes in CT than here - more stuff to do, too).

The point is the the STATE (not just the Cape) is losing its young people. I know this from raising my own kids, from working with other kids and, oh, Northeastern did a study three years ago that quantified this phenomenon.

The Cape adds to the state's woes in that there is no way to get around without a car, there is no way to afford to live here at the average wage for a younger worker and it lacks the diversity an urban environment can offer.

To start, we need to be looking at better jobs that don't just support the elderly or the tourist economy, allowing workers to earn a real living
11/15/08 @ 2:23 pm
Andy Buckley [Member] writes:
This is a real tough nut -- retired people moved here for a lifestyle sold to them by a realtor. That picture did not include a vibrant community attractive to young people. Far from it. Low taxes and growing real estate values, quiet neighborhoods and ease of driving from home to the post office, supermarket and golf course are the priorities. This demographic tends to turn out at higher proportions in elections, and like any rational group, when given the choice they tend to vote to preserve their self-interest.
I would like to see a forum that gathers the younger people we profess to want to retain and hear from them what they want. The powers-that-be might like the answers, though.
11/15/08 @ 2:37 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Andy,

Cape Cod can never be as secure Cambridge. I'm on the Charles, btw. their rival you speak of but inventors with creative minds so a bit more tolerable than those insufferable parochials you mention.LOL I realize housing is not only issue. You have some who make too much, are unqualified. You must have a strong contemporary but moderate body of town adm willing to make changes,work together. I see only stubborn shelfish brats unwilling to share the sandbox. My views not uncommon. Collaborative efforts of how to attract young families means you have to make the changes. If those in power dig in heels, it's the residents who suffer, will be the economical,fiscal demise. Watch for Nantucket, more yuppie sprawl. Who's got $ to buy vacant homes. Strategy? How to get the last ones out. Create a loan scheme for bargains. I commend you for your vision and endurance. Hang in there. Business owners may have to learn the hard way too. Then maybe politicians will listen when contributions dry up.
11/15/08 @ 3:06 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Don,

I watched former neighbors leave w teenagers because they all gave up. Lots of tears, but they knew they made the right decision. Answer in Boston for youth is stay in school, live at home while in college. Some do leave the MA because even with the college degree, no guarantees. For some dad is an alum, friends hire junior. As in state, county, unions, keeping it all for families, friends. Roommates for rest until they get lucky or work hard. Dump the commission,open doors to solvent companies. Monopoly shoul only be a board game. Feel proud as a father who cared enough to want the best for his children. Many may care as you, but lack the skills, knowledge, or energy to make a difference. That's when towns need to step in act and help those who remain.
11/15/08 @ 3:09 pm
Andy Buckley [Member] writes:
Cru, my life would have turned out much differently if I had been accepted to the grad program in planning at the only school in the Boston area with only an intramural sports program. Between the two schools at either end of Mass. Ave, I prefer the one with its own nuclear reactor.
(Aside: My first job out of college was working for Chatham's first Executive Secretary, Jim Lindstrom. Years later living in Cambridge, I found him serving as Finance Director for the city.)
Can we get the brains up there working for us?
11/15/08 @ 3:11 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Don,

I watched neighbors leave w teenagers, they gave up. Lots of tears, but they knew they made the right decision. Answer in Boston for youth is stay in school, live at home while in college. Some do leave MA, even w college degree, no guarantees. For some dad is an alum, friends hire junior. As in state, county, unions, keep jobs for families, friends. Roommates for rest until they get lucky or work hard. Dump the commission ,open doors to solvent companies. Monopoly should only be a board game. Feel proud as a father who cared enough to want the best for his two daughters. Many may care as you, but lack the skills, knowledge, or energy to make a difference. That's when towns need to step in act and help the young who do remain.
11/15/08 @ 3:14 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
You should have just kept throwing Skittles off the balcony until you hit that bald guy.
11/15/08 @ 3:16 pm
Andy Buckley [Member] writes:
Which one?
11/15/08 @ 3:27 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Andy,

No kidding! That's my home, next to the nuke. A bit scary so I sit with the Canadian geese at lunch while watching the scullers train for there race. Great views. Middlesex makes a mean mohito. Sorry for your missed opportunity but sounds like you did okay. Maybe you should call your old boss from Cambridge. I'll ask mine since her family is vested in Chatham as well. But all she speaks of is heavy enviromental pollutants that concern waterfront homeowners. ?true
11/15/08 @ 4:00 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
Economic summit to your hearts content. Fact is, nothing will change on CC. It is what it is. I've lived here for over 30 years and they we're discussing job creation back then. The late great Paul Larusso tried his best to bring hi-tech clean business to the Cape. For awhile, we actually had some manufacturing business in Hyannis. There was even a time when CC was being called the "silicone sandbar".

Let's just face the facts and build on the idea that the Cape is a tourist destination and retirement community. There's nothing wrong with that.
11/15/08 @ 4:29 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

"Nothing wrong with that"! Well then tell your elite to subsidize your failing economy pronto. Force your elders to put on an apron and hat at rt 6 burger king.and fill the rest of empty jobs that do not sustain your cost of living. You dated ideas are exactly what Cape residents don't need. Maybe dissolve the parliment and ignite true democracy, otherwise welcome your self imposed exile.
11/15/08 @ 5:01 pm
ekzept [Member] writes:
"To bring back the household savings rate to the level of a decade ago (about 6% of GDP) consumption will have to fall – relative to current GDP levels – by almost a trillion dollar. If all of this adjustment were to occur in 12 months GDP would contract directly by 7% and indirectly (including the further collapse of residential and corporate capex spending in a severe recession) by 10%, an exemplification of the Keynesian “paradox of thrift”. If such an adjustment were to occur over 24 months rather than 12 months you would still have negative GDP growth of 5% for two years in a row with a cumulative fall in GDP from its peak of 10% (note that in the worst US recession since WWII such cumulative fall in GDP was only 3.7% in 1957-58). One can thus only hope that this adjustment of consumption and savings rates occurs only slowly over time..." That's Nouriel Roubini (NYU economics, called this downturn), at his blog
11/15/08 @ 5:03 pm
Andy Buckley [Member] writes:
Cru, he died running a marathon, as I recall, a few years back. But thanks for the thought. I'm in a different direction these days, anyway.

Buzz, I think you meant "silicon" not "silicone". Perhaps you may unconsciously be bemoaning the lack of the latter here.

There are parts of the country that have tourism, retirement and other parts of their economy to balance things out, or even feed off of them.

My mom opened up her physical therapy offices in the in East Harwich because she saw the need. That's pretty small-scale. The Cape is a perfect place to study gerontology. Health care and senior citizens go together like... a coastal environment and marine science. No reason Woods Hole has to have it all. So there's two more legs on the stool.

Me, it is about a declining quality of life. I'd like to go to the movies in Hyannis without wondering if there will be another stabbing in a crowded theater but not one witness. I'm kinda funny about my family's personal safety that way.
11/15/08 @ 5:22 pm
possee [Member] writes:
smahkcep

I'd like to see the actual demographics of commuters who either drive or take the bus to the T on a weekly/ daily basis to jobs off Cape.
I would surmise it is at least in the thousands..

www.gocapecod.org/ccttf/ch2.pdf

Go to this link(page 2 ) and you'll see that in the 1990's study. over 10,000 commute off Cape!

There you go!

possee
11/15/08 @ 5:30 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Andy,

Sorry for your loss. Sounded like a mentor who may have been an advisor, at least locally.

LOL, Buzz must still be thinking of Neddy's erotic artwork! He already has admitted to having a fetish for nipples. Ha.

I'm with you, quality, variety and safety. What every community should have. I wish your mom luck with her business. Elders need quality services cape is behind in, but maybe in time will improve.I worked at rhci. Loved the elders, but poor mgmt in Orleans. The Cape is only as good as its people. It belongs only to the residents who help to keep it going. The rest are holding it back. 21st century is knocking on your door and has been for years.
11/15/08 @ 5:44 pm
ekzept [Member] writes:
"...President Bush remains largely in denial, an unrepentant cheerleader for American-style capitalism. As he sees it, the current crisis does not reflect any fundamental flaw in the American model but instead results from individual failures by lenders, borrowers, financial firms and regulators that can be minimized in the future, not through more regulation but through smarter regulation. And while he gives rhetorical support to the notion that international institutions may need to be updated and strengthened to deal with the crisis that might arise, he also makes clear that reform should not come at the expense of U.S. sovereignty or freedom of action." -- Steven Pearlstein, Washington Post, yesterday
11/15/08 @ 5:45 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Possee,

Ever wonder what a commuter rail extension would do? Why do you think it hasn't been brought to the table? Because as the locals woul say, "the cape would lose its charm and would be like every other suburban sprawl, we don't want it". So, they just allow every obstacle to remain in the path of progress that might benefit families of the dwindling young adult population. Well you wanted it, so now here's the reprecussions.Like Shelli would say, Enjoy! Miss you Shelli!
11/15/08 @ 5:48 pm
Monponsett [Member] writes:
I asked my husband, who has seen combat, how he decided who to shoot. He told me "I go with whatever target that is presenting itself at the moment."
11/15/08 @ 6:10 pm
bipr [Member] writes:
Cru, I wouldn't wax too romantic about the People's Republic of Cambridge (and this from a liberal). Having spent a good amount of time there years ago, I've seen what rent control can do to distort a rental market and discourage/prevent home ownership. But look at the towns that various magazines point out as best places to raise a family... Keene, NH, for example. 'Also in the boonies and in an area popular with tourists and retirees, but they seem to have found a good mix. And they welcome young people. Their indie movie theatre probably even lists prices for children and students, not just three variants of adult/senior/member prices (sorry, Cape Cinema). I don't know what the answer is, but let's include the young 'uns in this discussion and look at other good models.
11/15/08 @ 6:29 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
bipr,Has there been much job growth in NH over the past 20 years? How about RE taxes? I do miss country living, but not the rest. You can't compare to our jobs, education or quality in Boston hospitals. We also have best lawyers and other needed services the average taxpayer should not have to beg for. You still have a full time population that cannot be self sustaining I believe is a direct result of Cape's addiction and drug dependency issues. When you create positve outlets for residents, good things will happen. If you only cater to rich, elders, and tourists, nothing will change. Full time families should come before others. They are the only ones giving without skipping a beat. Long timers not use to change like we are you won't get it, don't care to either.
11/15/08 @ 7:31 pm
possee [Member] writes:
cru
Interesting on your timing about commuter rail service to the Cape..
The owner of the Cape Cod Rail Train has expressed his concern for developing a commuter service to connect with the south shore area, and resulting T service to Metro Boston..

The only obstacle would be the CCCommission as the train would have to be that of the 1700's era and there were no trains then...

possee
11/15/08 @ 8:15 pm
bipr [Member] writes:
Whatever happened to the commuter rail link idea just over the bridge, with connecting bus service to the Cape?
11/15/08 @ 9:08 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Possee,

Ha! You sure do crack me up.

CCCommission...easier to destroy the great wall of China then dissolve another controlling body of self-serving nitwits with no vision for
Cape's future. How much is their salaries combined? It's been too long, Cape must learn to swing with the times like the rest. Not the 70's anymore, it's 2008. Most are stuck in a self imposed time warp. I felt like I was trapped in a sequel of the stepford wives. Doesn't mean urban sprawl takeover, just loosen up so supportive commerce can provide more to the residents and don't end up in tents on Hyannis lawns and woods.
11/15/08 @ 9:15 pm
Buzz [Member] writes:
cru,

Give us some examples of how you think the Cape should "swing with the times"? I'm interested in your views.
11/15/08 @ 10:12 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

I would listen and support Andy Buckley and Don's ideas. They both live there and have great assessments of what plagues the Cape. But if you want my advice, you may not like it. Nothing new. But here goes:Dissolve CCCommission. They consist of veteran business owners, administrators of yester-year lacking flexibility, vision to adapt to unforeseeable setbacks and level of understanding of how to service every socio-ecoomic tier which brings balance and stability to ALL Cape residents. Get rid of useless politicians who do nothing but pretend to help but talk out of both sides of their mouth. Force O'Leary to do more, cut the crap, or keep his day job at maritime. I met him and was unimpressed. Call Mark Forest and demand an emergency meeting with Delahunt at the college. Invite and post of event for troubled residents: renters, homeowners, only those effected and devastated. If he doesn't help, he should go back to Quincy and retire. Met him too. He promised change. That was 03'.
11/15/08 @ 10:59 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Buzz,

Everyone who supported old imperialist ideals of Cape economy should also get a pink slip. Maybe Wendy should be relocated to Alaska or Florida. Bring in fresh blood with new ideas. There are thousands of young adults with plenty of experience in town planning who are not related to someone connected to the old ways of doing things. Plenty know how to preserve what is sacred while adding what is needed to distressed residents and neighborhoods. Redo JTech, unemployment office. Posting flyers at the beach in February is not.a job. My daughter did for months while fetching lunches for lay abouts. The program director who found her a job while she got her GED was one of the hardest working and kindest people I met. But chambermaid was another angry do nothing PR friend of business owners. More waste and conflicts of interest not giving back, just taking from your economy.
11/15/08 @ 11:18 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
I have more ideas but have homework for class tomorrow. My brain needs to shift gears for a while.

Lastly, you must try to implement change simultaneously on all fronts I described. A great deal of work but what's better? Nantucket or the silicon Palto Alto second and third home sprawl of empty homes with empty communities? That's not the Cape I remember as a pigtailed, bony 8 year old sitting in a motor boat on swan pond at my brother's house who retired early. I wanted his cape cod to be mine, but he died and I realized the place had changed too much not for the better. He was well off, but lived simple. That's the real Cape. But no more. It's stuck in neutral. Time to shift into drive. Maybe a few bumps but will be smooth pavement ahead.
11/15/08 @ 11:49 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Picture of a thousand words: Why is the auditorium nearly empty? Bathroom break or few who care to listen to BS while others stammer over useless sumitt.
11/16/08 @ 7:03 am
possee [Member] writes:
cru

These meetings of the minds are an excuse to justify their lofty overpaid positions...
With an overbearing tax(state) and regulation (especially the CCCommission)jurisdiction,exorbitant energy costs, and trophy kids too spoiled to work, it's no wonder existing businesses fold, and only specialty shops for rich housewives seem to survive.
Oh, and wal mart and mcd's!
With the trades drying up due to no work as the hedge fund crowd tanks, remodeling has nearly stopped, home construction is slowed, and.. what's left..?
The blue collar and service crowd.
The Cape has become a playground for the well heeled, and retirees whose funds have not tanked...

And let's not forget all those wayward "yutes" who love to play gangsta now infiltrating the area..

Seems the drug trade is a fledging entrepeneurship..am considering it..lol

Maybe Somerville is looking good afterall!

Excuse me while I get ready to commute off cape for my job..yes on Sunday..

possee
11/16/08 @ 8:39 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Possee,

Sorry about work on Sunday, have to commute. Too bad they had to ruin it for the rest of us. I'll always miss the nature; my rainbow of flowering trees and perenials I tended too, not the ravenous bugs, "no-see-ums" lol, munch on me like I was their last meal! Some nice residents I met, too. Now I watch the geese and ducks by the Charles.Som/Camb. is filled with some hostile takeover by the elite, but here we outnumber them. It's got more balance so you can tolerate their "better than thou" attitudes. Hey btw, I'm looking for 2 roommates up here, place is too big for me. Lawyer will conduct screenings. Won't fall into another trap by scumbags like bartolini the fireman. That's what I get for trying to not label them all. No matter they will forever be exposed by two towns for what they did.

On mortgage topic:The loansharks lumped the loans together w/our 401k's, taxpayers should not be angry? GM wants bil$ bailout. Paulseon that crook has lied about the 700bil funding, it will go to his other crooked friends who don't pay taxes! Where is the outrage! Read this: http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081116/REG/311179964
11/16/08 @ 9:24 am
crusader [Member] writes:
Possee,

So if you know anyone who wishes to relocate here, keep me in mind. College students or working professionals. Maybe Jan semester.

Bottom line about Cape economy: If you don't create good jobs (45k w benies + not to exceed 100k,and no overlapping jobs) you can't attract the right people. The rich don't give back, neither do the elderly or tourists. They live moderately if not excessively frugal, so what do they contribute except taxes and paying for food? The middleclass buys the most consistently over large periods of time that' what makes our economy strong. We will see this now playout with huge cutbacks to spending as we see the middleclass collapse unless these birdbrains help us restabilize. They cannot survive in the long run without us. Who will buy their products? Cars, homes, retail, vacations? Just to name a few.
11/16/08 @ 11:24 am
crusader [Member] writes:
10 million homeowners effected. How many won't come forward to tell there stories due to shame they feel for getting duped? That's their ammo. How many listen to shady investor and also never speak a word but grab the bottle of scotch. Same with bad business deals.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/business/31bailout.html?hp
11/16/08 @ 1:09 pm
crusader [Member] writes:
Obama/Biden plan:

http://vaishtom.blogspot.com/2008/11/revitalizing-economy.html
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