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I loved this! The more obscure Beats didn't realize they were part of something countercultural quite yet...

So Ned, were you plotting where to hide the stones, lauding the laurels of plus size art or reminiscing about Norman Rockwell and the effects of tryptophan on criminal behavior?

I had dinner with Alice Brock last month and she defined Irish Foreplay as, "Brace Yourself, Bridget!" This caused me to Google the Foreplay jokes for the other ethnicities. You guys know how to Google, don'tcha?

I wanna thank everyone for their comments and; by the way, have you seen the photograph of Obama on the front page of Saturday's New York Times. That picture says everything.
David

David, I like the title.

I'm sure you've heard the famous Texas line "All hat and no cattle."

I have thought of that song many times lately as more spewing of meaningless words takes over the modern venacular.

"Elephant Talk' King Crimson /Discipline /1981..
comes to mind

possee

David


There are those who understand how Israel capitulated to demands of reconciliation,and peace, only to be attacked once again.
Real peace, not the storybook version, has been acheived, unfortunately, by those (with the concept of democracy) yielding the enemy with relentless destruction til their surrender.
There are those, who if had the upper hand, would've destroyed entire populations after surrender.
That seems to be the only difference amongst nations throughout our history.
Then, there are those, who fail to understand the human condition and wish to appease, and talk to, those whose goal is total annihilation.


possee

Even the left pundits yesterday admitted the award was a diss against Bush, at best..fine.
Meanwhile, words, as you say, fly endlessly 24 hours a day speculating, ruminating, while the real effects that affect us all are plannned behind closed doors.
Throughout the last century, we've been placated by words until they are now meaningless to many of us, as the world continues to pursue it's spiralling demise through promises, and overtures, of peace never acheived.
Obama best be careful with words of hope and change and peace, because, as always, the shit hits the fan sooner or later.
Promises never fulfilled create a backlash..extended hopes of diplomacy with ruthless dictators only empowers them further while they build their armies, and play the diplomats, like Obama.
Witness the last 2 world wars, with extensions of diplomacy to Russia and Germany by the leaders of the western world, prefacing the inevitable dispatch of global wars by those who were extended the hope of peace through words.
Those who fail to understand the past, are destined to repeat it.

possee

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The Highfivers are not kids by any stretch, but this is a schoolyard of sorts. One of the HFs disappears since April and his first two new posts fantasize about his commanding his crew to do me violence? And he complains when I contact the curators of the Schoolyard? This is wingnuttery in a nutshell. Thank Christ he'll be off sating his bloodlust with fishkilling for a few days. Connect the dots, people.

Richard...your thought..."was commisisoned by artists who got paid or were otherwise supported in high style."

Are you suggesting that Ned should be compared with Michelangelo?

PS...The Nedster didn't correct your spelling error. "commisisoned".

Are you the new liberal "tag team" here at CCToday? You monopolize while Ned criticizes. And whenever us kids in the schoolyard pick on Neddy he runs to momma Maggie and dad Walter.

Maverick:

I was worried about going off topic, too. That's why I mentioned the fact that most religious art, what we see in the European cathedrals, was commisisoned by artists who got paid or were otherwise supported in high style.

That was a way of expressing the idea of God during the Middle Ages, albeit a highly structured, formal expression, that was intended to convey scriptural messages pictorially to the masses who were largely illiterate.

No... by definition Licensing Art is for silkscreened images on products. For an original Betty Boop drawing you'd have to come over to my studio and KISS MY ASS.

David...are Ned and Richard on topic?

Or do they consider themselves GODLIKE?

PS..."mutual adversary"? Elitist? Fans? K-Mart? My bride loves Ocean State Job Lot. Any chance of finding an original this weekend?

Oops actually I do have certain patrons who are indeed coffeetable-artbook and oilpainting collectors who are plenty o'fun to hang out with ...exception proving the rule type o'thing.

Thanks for asking, Richard. Andy Warhol did a great deal to break down the distinction between "highbrow" and "lowbrow". Our mutual adversary mocked me back in April because my drawings for King Features Syndicate's Betty Boop character are available to the masses at very affordable prices at K-Mart~ seeking to shame me by comparison to a certain "highbrow" Fascist Surrealist whose wife Gala so flooded the market with his prints at one point that they... almost... were affordable by the masses. I love being "Lowbrow"... it's unpretentious! My fans are lot more fun to hang out with than wealthy coffeetable-artbook and oilpainting collectors. I guess that opinion makes me... an elitist!

Ned: What's the difference between commercial art and fine art?

Is it money? Despite the "starving artist" cliche, all true artists have practiced their art as a means of making a living. Those who haven't are called dilletantes. But even Van Gogh, the quintessential starving artist tried desperately to make a living by selling his work.

Is it quality? Not really, there's lots of junk that's called "fine art" and there's lots of "commercial" stuff that's very good. Andy Warhol, a commercial artist, presented commercial stuff as fine art and it was very good. Lautrec's posters, too, were commercial as were the ephemeral posters for '60s rock bands at places like the Filmore in S.F. Meanwhile, IMHOP, Jackson Pollock's stuff is crap.

Is it intent or the message being presented? The "fine" artist is expressing his own ideas/feelings while the commercial artist is selling someone else's stuff. So what? The people who carved the steles for Pharoah were doing the exact same thing.
Ditto for most commisisoned religious art.

So what do you think the difference is?

And continue to keep me in spirit.

As the Albino Assassin said in the Tom Hanks movie, 'G*d give me strength'...

Without God, there is nothing that sounds as right in front of "damnit."

Okay, I'll settle for the absolute zero within reason.

Oh, I'd say about a kiloton. Just estimating.

There is no accurate scale of measurement.

Commercial artist. NOT Fine Artist. Never pretended otherwise. Your comments about my 'failure' constitute Restraint Of Trade of my livelihood. My understanding is that since the staff's gone home for the day you'll be able to continue to spew thru the evening. Enjoy it 'cause you'll be outta here once and for all come morning. It is evidently a source of humiliation to you that you're no longer able at Govt. expense to drop ordnance on your imagined ideological enemies as in your salad days of the early 60s. I feel your pain, killer.

Rojay Srs.' two Shabbat questions remind me of a passage in Stephen Hawking's Brief History of Time. Hawking lucidly writes about the theoretical construct of the singularity, the infinitessimal point from which the known universe we can see and measure has emerged, i.e. what is colloquially referred to as the "Big Bang." Hawking says he has the mathematics to prove that's how it happened, and I certainly cannot question his math.

But then he remarks that it is "meaningless" to ask about any prior context for the singularity, which is where a person of faith can say "Aha!"

When Hawking and other rationalists say that question is "meaningless," what they are saying is their math can't answer it. Math can only tell us how, not why. But as Mr. Rojay Sr. would tell them, that has been the most meaningful question of all for most of mankind throughout all history and prehistory.

We can't answer it with certainty, though, as Hawking's math can describe the known universe, and it's important to understand that fact. Still, it's just as important that we keep asking the question.

David...please ask Richard if he believes in the holocaust. We are paying millions in tax dollars to have the Iranian ass**** visit and spread his crap here at the UN.

PS..."I'm not an atheist but when I hear anyone invoke the Almighty I know I'm in trouble". In trouble for what? Why do you have to qualify your beliefs? Do you think anyone really cares? Dali had a very important role in artistic history. As in he is in the Hall of Fame. As time flies by where might your porn lie.

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Richard...your thought..."That same thing is also evidenced by the corruption of faith in pursuit of geopolitical ends everywhere."

Might that include ACORN?

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It's not the idea of God that causes trouble, it's the notion by some people that they own the copyright and therefore their idea of God is both exclusive and infallible.

That's what leads us into absurdities like the "holy war" many self-described American "Christians" believe we are fighting in the middle East. That same thing is also evidenced by the corruption of faith in pursuit of geopolitical ends everywhere.

The most absurd of these, again, occurs in the middle east based on the legend that Abraham's wife Sarah had been barren so he sired the male child Ishmael by the servant girl Hagar. Then Sarah bore him Isaac so Hagar and Ishmael were expelled. Isaac then begat the lineage of the Jews and Ishmael the lineage of the Arabs, and they've been fighting basically territorial wars for about three millenia because of it, always claiming it's because of their belief in the one "true" God.

The idea of God isn't insane, but it surely leads us to mass insanity. That's the whole history of modern western "civilization," too, from the Crusades to "Operation Iraqi Freedom."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211511/Why-born-believe-God-Its-wired-brain-says-psychologist.html I prefer this British take on the same recent research. God gives us imperialism. NEWSWEEK along with TIME was dreamed up by Skull&Bonesmen in the New Haven windowless bunker... to manufacture consent for the furtherance of Empire. Each major Empire has had its own state religion. Gott Mit Uns was imprinted on the beltbuckle of the Kaiser's troops. I'm not an atheist but when I hear anyone invoke the Almighty I know I'm in trouble. A good quote from Wm.S.Burroughs is, "If you're going to do business with a religious sonofabitch, GET IT IN WRITING!"

Norman, First off Happy New Year.

Secondly,the school bus bit was parodying the rampant use of the race card by those vilifying anyone who criticizes the administration, nothing more.

Like Foghorn Leghorn used to explain: "That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son."

Rush is an entertainer and no more vitriolic than Olbermann or Shultz, they are just on different sides of the aisle.

I don't take any of them seriously, seems everyone has an agenda today.

Happy Holidays.

estherandson [Member] writes:
Republicans have been taken in. They don't think so.

Same with the Democrats.

You dems and repubs are so enraptured by your respective party crap..meanwhile, they continue to screw all of us as most buy into it..
GOP this and DNC that..it's all a game!
If the dems run the executive, legislative, and judicial branch, then why in the world are they cutting off Acorn funding as exposed by Beck?
Perhaps, it's the truth..
Meanwhile, the left has Obama as their community organizer, and the right has Limbaugh and Beck..
Let the slugfest continue..


possee

Republicans have been taken in. They don't think so. Believe so!or want any part of change.
Listening to a Republican, is like going to a doctor. We had a doctor in Evanston, Ill. His name was "Doctor, Doctor."
Doctor Doctor telling his patient he is dying. the Patient says,
"Don't tell me I am dying! I will tell you when I am dying. I don't care what your tests show." "Where is the door! I have been thrown out of better places than this !"
If Republicans can listen to Rush Limbaugh, or this Charles Beck, then they have much to be sorry for.
We have more problems than we know what to do about it. More people and far few solutions.
I will complement Republicans when they get R. Limbaugh out of business. He is now the most likely person to put Republicans out of business. Today he was using an incident about kids on a school bus fighting between white and black kids. So what else is new?
He does absolutely nothing to UNITE OUR COUNTRY. An agitator from the first order.

With an estimated population of over 3 million people in the nation, you cite one woman crying, as opposed to a Senate inquiry.

Is that the best you've got?

Now we have Obama canning the missle shield to appease Putin and GE gets a meeting with him. What a shocker.

Did I mention Immelt sits on the Economic Recovery Advisory Board?

Looks like game, set and match for Barry.

Alleged criminal behavior in the Bush Administration should not set the precedent for future administrations.

Amen to that!!!

This is a bad bad time in our history....and we need to stand up with the REAL patriots! The ones who want Justice and an end to this money-grubbing control of people's lives and liberty!!!
"You will know them by their fruit"....and
"If you want money for people with minds that hate"...
forget it.

Money is the root of this evil. It starts here:

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/09/18/ny_inquiry_has_boston_business_a_list_in_its_sights/?comments=all

N.Y. inquiry has Boston business A-list in its sights
Cuomo scrutinizing Merrill’s losses, bonuses


Some of the comments are RIGHT ON TARGET. WALLSTREET and those who have enabled a criminal enterprising pack of scumbags who have fleeced American citizens out of everything from affordable credit, loans, jobs, and retirement. When you have so many self-centered morons who cooked the books while still maintaining lavish lifestyles and attitudes before Congress of continued demands of (UNDESERVED) ENTITLEMENT--the day has come when we must toss them in the poor house and take away their toys. I can't stand to read another one of these stories. And I will be surprised if the NY AG or any other AG in this country will hold these bums accountable. Like the comments say..."they have to worry about their re-elections". But I guess maybe those who have been defrauded, if they have enough left, will pick up the political tab.

We would have accountability if more in gvt. would demand it.
Who stood with Kucininch when he was asking for an Inquiry into the Iraq war? One other democratic congressman.
A few people in gvt. are now standing with Ron Paul about auditing the Fed.
But the masses are concerned with birth-certificates, "my healthcare", and whatever else Beck and Limbaugh throw out there.
There are major major treasonous crimes that have committed.
Haliburton and Blackwater are just two of the perpetraitors...there are thousands more!!
We illegally invaded and took over a sovereign nation.
Killed millions of them and thousands of our own.
Can we please start there?????
Or Clinton if you like...selling secrets to China.....
It's all there in black and white, but we keep focusing on the propaganda issues that the poison-droppers lead us to. Like pied pipers leading the children.
Beck and Limbaugh are masters of it...and backed by the same people.
And Obama is a master too...
It's us who must make them accountable..and that MUST start with the serious serious crimes!!!
Not the side-issues that distract.

Halliburton is a nefarious contractor that had short changed our troops,and continues to work with the present administration with billions of dollars in fraud and waste still not accounted for from the previous gang of thieves.
Acorn, another criminal organization,is slated to receive billions under the stimulus plan.
Perhaps the left and right should question the Obama gang and ask why no criminal proceedings against Halliburton and why, Obama, continues to work with them..?

Eisenhower warned about the corrupt military complex in the 50's, warned they would control the government ,and he was a 4 star general..hmmm.
Acorn has received a mere 53 million and has been prosecuted and indicted in fraud in dozens of states.
Go after all those who receive our tax dollars! and waste it, and are corrupt.

Shake your left and right posturing and demand accountability, and criminal prosecution on all fronts of abuse..

Cheney/Halliburton
Obama/Acorn
A new face/ the same old game.

possee

"whining"...a typical catch word used to dis-credit someone.

"No one cares about Obama addressing the students"...a woman was shown on tv CRYING about it!!! "My poor son."...talk about "whining".

And sorry...but the quid-pro-quo politics should have been stopped with Cheney and his secret meeting with oil company execs....
But it wasn't. So what do you expect???
You let it slide for one...they ALL do it.
That is why we must do something about the Bush regime and the highly serious wrong-doings they were a part of.....

Or get used to it from now on. And don't ever complain because we let it go un-accounted for.
You all want to get Obama...but what about the original gansters??? The OG's? The PNAC Neo-Con group who've run this place since Reagan?

Don't you get it? Your complaints are hollow.