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barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Wind energy is a must for America and for Cape Cod
In response to: Wind energy is a must for America and for Cape Cod
Pardon my failure to cite the "headache" attribution to wind energy to the Wall Street Journal.
'Save the Planet? Even the Indians Have Reservations'.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703363704574503480121623964.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
'Save the Planet? Even the Indians Have Reservations'.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703363704574503480121623964.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Wind energy is a must for America and for Cape Cod
In response to: Wind energy is a must for America and for Cape Cod
We are indeed behind Europe, and so we can still avoid fuel poverty and BLACKOUTS attributed to a near fatal preoccupation with marginal forms of renewable energy.
'BLACKOUT BRITAIN WARNING'
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/60259/Blackout-Britain-warning
'Save the Planet? Even the Indians Have Reservations'. "But the Cape Wind affair isn't just another case of NIMBYism run amok; it is a good test of just how durable fashionable environmental convictions are. Wind turbines whirring on the scenic horizon might seem a small price to pay for the cause, but they have proved to be a big headache."
Wind energy is a must for multinationals. Americans don't need any more headaches.
Thank you for sharing your well considered thoughts, Maverick, Tony and Kay.
'BLACKOUT BRITAIN WARNING'
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/60259/Blackout-Britain-warning
'Save the Planet? Even the Indians Have Reservations'. "But the Cape Wind affair isn't just another case of NIMBYism run amok; it is a good test of just how durable fashionable environmental convictions are. Wind turbines whirring on the scenic horizon might seem a small price to pay for the cause, but they have proved to be a big headache."
Wind energy is a must for multinationals. Americans don't need any more headaches.
Thank you for sharing your well considered thoughts, Maverick, Tony and Kay.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Wait a while before renaming things for Ted
In response to: Wait a while before renaming things for Ted
Dick Farley:
It's actually your cleverness in reference to my comment left on 8/30/09.
Your earlier Boston Globe comment relative to the Energy Policy Act 2005 provision pertaining to the designation of Nantucket Sound as a National Monument, as a tribute to Senator Kennedy's memory, was worth repeating.
What you fail to understand is that I'm working, unpaid, as your advocate.
Preoccupation with wind energy has plunged the British into fuel poverty with predicted BLACKOUTS.
As I, and many others have been saying all along, wind energy is neither reliable, nor affordable from the public perspective. The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission charged with maintaining system reliability even admits wind energy is unreliable. And, world's largest Vestas' chief is scratching his head wondering why we're considering Cape Wind as its energy would be twice the price.
Wind energy is a very expensive faith-based initiative.
BLACKOUT BRITIAN WARNING
9/07/09
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/60259/Blackout-Britain-warning
It's actually your cleverness in reference to my comment left on 8/30/09.
Your earlier Boston Globe comment relative to the Energy Policy Act 2005 provision pertaining to the designation of Nantucket Sound as a National Monument, as a tribute to Senator Kennedy's memory, was worth repeating.
What you fail to understand is that I'm working, unpaid, as your advocate.
Preoccupation with wind energy has plunged the British into fuel poverty with predicted BLACKOUTS.
As I, and many others have been saying all along, wind energy is neither reliable, nor affordable from the public perspective. The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission charged with maintaining system reliability even admits wind energy is unreliable. And, world's largest Vestas' chief is scratching his head wondering why we're considering Cape Wind as its energy would be twice the price.
Wind energy is a very expensive faith-based initiative.
BLACKOUT BRITIAN WARNING
9/07/09
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/60259/Blackout-Britain-warning
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
Exactly, Crusader, Cape Wind=fuel poverty for Cape and islanders', who have not been yet informed that behind Cape Wind is a DOE admitted wind required grid upgrade for ISO NE.
Secretary Ian Bowles suggests, in his NYTs op-ed, this ($3.9 billion for 6.8 GW) should be wrapped around the cost of energy. MMS admits this cost of energy, net, is 2 times the current cost of energy; WITHOUT public subsidies. BHI identifies these subsidies as equal to 77% of CW construction cost; Pro-Jo last represented as $1.2 billion.
"These aren't windfarms, they're tax farms." Rep. Pete Stark CA
The Boston Globe furnished number of Cape and islands' occupied homes is not relevant to the statement I provided by the AWEA, Rasputin. And, I'm not "handled" as a completely autonomous and conscientious objector to Cape Wind, who plans to hang in there.
That is not only a phantom project; it is technically obsolete.
“The Alpha Ventus wind park started this month and operates 45 km off the German-Dutch coast.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/idUSTRE57O2D720090825
Secretary Ian Bowles suggests, in his NYTs op-ed, this ($3.9 billion for 6.8 GW) should be wrapped around the cost of energy. MMS admits this cost of energy, net, is 2 times the current cost of energy; WITHOUT public subsidies. BHI identifies these subsidies as equal to 77% of CW construction cost; Pro-Jo last represented as $1.2 billion.
"These aren't windfarms, they're tax farms." Rep. Pete Stark CA
The Boston Globe furnished number of Cape and islands' occupied homes is not relevant to the statement I provided by the AWEA, Rasputin. And, I'm not "handled" as a completely autonomous and conscientious objector to Cape Wind, who plans to hang in there.
That is not only a phantom project; it is technically obsolete.
“The Alpha Ventus wind park started this month and operates 45 km off the German-Dutch coast.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/idUSTRE57O2D720090825
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Wait a while before renaming things for Ted
In response to: Wait a while before renaming things for Ted
Ana Paulina:
Could you please be more specific regarding your interest in a "good link"? Or were you offering an observation-you appreciate good links?
Thank You,
Barbara
Could you please be more specific regarding your interest in a "good link"? Or were you offering an observation-you appreciate good links?
Thank You,
Barbara
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
Dkfalmouth: My last comment should indicate to you that I fully appreciate that life goes on without Ted Kennedy.
If you're following the money, you will see that the "bag of tricks" does not belong to me.
Bobcat: [Cape Wind] "...could supply the electricity needs of more than 300,000 homes on the Cape and Islands..."
If only Jim Gordon "could" direct CW electrons to 300,000 Cape and islands' homes.
Source: AWEA
"When I pay extra for green power, does it really come directly to my home?
Probably not--the flow of electricity usually follows the path of least resistance to the nearest demand, so you probably don't get "green" electrons flowing directly from a wind farm to your home."
http://www.awea.org/faq/wwt_policy.html#When I pay extra for green power, does it really come directly to my home
Cape Wind fails to define the "extra" cost, too.
If that news was good, we would have had it loooonnnnggg ago.
If you're following the money, you will see that the "bag of tricks" does not belong to me.
Bobcat: [Cape Wind] "...could supply the electricity needs of more than 300,000 homes on the Cape and Islands..."
If only Jim Gordon "could" direct CW electrons to 300,000 Cape and islands' homes.
Source: AWEA
"When I pay extra for green power, does it really come directly to my home?
Probably not--the flow of electricity usually follows the path of least resistance to the nearest demand, so you probably don't get "green" electrons flowing directly from a wind farm to your home."
http://www.awea.org/faq/wwt_policy.html#When I pay extra for green power, does it really come directly to my home
Cape Wind fails to define the "extra" cost, too.
If that news was good, we would have had it loooonnnnggg ago.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Wait a while before renaming things for Ted
In response to: Wait a while before renaming things for Ted
To honor the memory of Senator Kennedy, in a manner in which future generations will approve, I offer these suggestions:
'The Kennedy Nantucket Sound National Ocean Monument' or; The 'Kennedy Nantucket Sound National Marine Sanctuary'.
Either designation will protect heritage trades, use rights, wildlife, and preserve the integrity of the National Historic Landmark, the Kennedy family home.
"It is our task in our time and in our generation to hand down undiminished to those who come after us, as was handed down to us by those who went before, the natural wealth and beauty which is ours."
President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, at the dedication of the National Wildlife Federation Building [March 3, 1961]
'The Kennedy Nantucket Sound National Ocean Monument' or; The 'Kennedy Nantucket Sound National Marine Sanctuary'.
Either designation will protect heritage trades, use rights, wildlife, and preserve the integrity of the National Historic Landmark, the Kennedy family home.
"It is our task in our time and in our generation to hand down undiminished to those who come after us, as was handed down to us by those who went before, the natural wealth and beauty which is ours."
President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, at the dedication of the National Wildlife Federation Building [March 3, 1961]
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
Thank you for your concession and regression, Rasputin.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
EMK
'The Wind Industry Tells the Truth'
http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/wind-energy-industry-tells-the-truth/
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
EMK
'The Wind Industry Tells the Truth'
http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/wind-energy-industry-tells-the-truth/
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
The Boston Globe Cape Wind offensive was untimely and predatory. They used Ted Kennedy's passing as an opportunity to pitch Cape Wind to President Obama. Their actions prompted my response.
Either you champion Cape Wind or you champion public and environmental interests'.
I'll stick with the latter; whether or not you have the ability to differentiate your friends from your foes, raputin09.
Unlike Cape Wind's, my motivation is not to shift your wealth and resource their, my, way, in exchange for no more than a Ponzi scheme.
Either you champion Cape Wind or you champion public and environmental interests'.
I'll stick with the latter; whether or not you have the ability to differentiate your friends from your foes, raputin09.
Unlike Cape Wind's, my motivation is not to shift your wealth and resource their, my, way, in exchange for no more than a Ponzi scheme.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
How many years will it take Cape islanders to reclaim their heritage?
There has been not been a shred of truth offered by Boston Globe reporters, or editors, regarding the Cape Wind project.
But my gripe with them today has nothing to do with their endless stream of Cape Wind propaganda.
The Boston Globe editors risked offending the Kennedy family on the day their cherished family member, who loved and worked to preserve Nantucket Sound, was buried.
The Boston Globe editors have no class.
There has been not been a shred of truth offered by Boston Globe reporters, or editors, regarding the Cape Wind project.
But my gripe with them today has nothing to do with their endless stream of Cape Wind propaganda.
The Boston Globe editors risked offending the Kennedy family on the day their cherished family member, who loved and worked to preserve Nantucket Sound, was buried.
The Boston Globe editors have no class.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
In response to: Boston Globe urges President to back Cape Wind
The Boston Globe editors don't represent the interests' of Massachusetts citizens and communities as a publication owned by the New York Times. How disgraceful it would otherwise be for the Boston Globe editors to pitch Cape Wind on the day Senator Kennedy, who has always represented our interests', is laid to rest.
'Kennedy Floor Statement on Cape Wind'
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/08/27/3197897-kennedy-floor-statement-on-the-cape-wind-project-
'Kennedy Floor Statement on Cape Wind'
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/08/27/3197897-kennedy-floor-statement-on-the-cape-wind-project-
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Bay State Democrats hoisted on their own petard
In response to: Bay State Democrats hoisted on their own petard
Senator Kennedy is bravely facing his own mortality. He clearly recognizes his duty is to serve the public interest, and that his medical condition compromises his ability to do that.
When others would retreat to the comfort of their families, the Lion demonstrates he is steadfast and true to his calling of public service.
His successor won't fill his shoes, but he/she may carry out his vision that does not include Cape Wind in Nantucket Sound.
'Ted Kennedy's concerns with the Cape Wind proposal':
http://www.tedkennedy.com/content/860/concerns-with-the-cape-wind-proposal
The Kennedy family is in my thoughts and prayers.
When others would retreat to the comfort of their families, the Lion demonstrates he is steadfast and true to his calling of public service.
His successor won't fill his shoes, but he/she may carry out his vision that does not include Cape Wind in Nantucket Sound.
'Ted Kennedy's concerns with the Cape Wind proposal':
http://www.tedkennedy.com/content/860/concerns-with-the-cape-wind-proposal
The Kennedy family is in my thoughts and prayers.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: 21st Century Cape Cod Tories sink to new depths
In response to: 21st Century Cape Cod Tories sink to new depths
The publicly subsidized trashing of Nantucket Sound by Cape Wind would serve the interests of multinational corporations, PetroWindCats and Jim Gordon. Walter Cronkite clearly understood the conflicts presented by Cape Wind as the www.windstop featured clip of the most trusted man in America reveals. The conflicts Mr. Cronkite identified then, FAA, USCG, and closure of fishing grounds remain.
Windstop's 400 pages feature Cape Wind published news that's fit to print sans hyperbole.
The APNS and Windstop don't pose threats to air travelers, navigators, use rights, ratepayers, taxpayers, NHLs, Sacred Land, tourism, fishing or wildlife.
The indefensible Cape Wind does.
Walter Cronkite should be allowed to rest in peace.
And, Cape Cod Today should present a case for Cape Wind as opposed to presenting a case for Windstop and the Alliance, albeit quite indirectly.
What price Cape Wind energy? And at what costs would Cape Wind "produce" energy in Nantucket Sound?
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25877969-5000117,00.html
Windstop's 400 pages feature Cape Wind published news that's fit to print sans hyperbole.
The APNS and Windstop don't pose threats to air travelers, navigators, use rights, ratepayers, taxpayers, NHLs, Sacred Land, tourism, fishing or wildlife.
The indefensible Cape Wind does.
Walter Cronkite should be allowed to rest in peace.
And, Cape Cod Today should present a case for Cape Wind as opposed to presenting a case for Windstop and the Alliance, albeit quite indirectly.
What price Cape Wind energy? And at what costs would Cape Wind "produce" energy in Nantucket Sound?
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25877969-5000117,00.html
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Kennedy at War against Danish Wind Turbines
In response to: Kennedy at War against Danish Wind Turbines
The Committee of the Association of Danish Landowners, Danske Torpare, on behalf of its 10,000 members, decries property value depreciation by wind mills
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/05/13/2812772-untitled-post?new&mode=edit
"France : a family who sold their home without disclosing a plan to build a wind farm in the neighbourhood was condemned to pay € 36,000 to the buyer, corresponding to the loss of value estimated at 20% by the judge."
http://environnementdurable.net/documents/html/immobilier1.htm
"Saturday Oct 4th, in Paris, 2000 to 3000 people coming from France and various European countries demonstrated peacefully against windfarms"
"To the right of the picture, the mayor of a village in France whose inhabitants ALL decided to sell their houses when a windfarm project was announced in the vicinity."
"The demonstration and conference was backed by 176 associations and federations"
http://collectif.4.octobre.free.fr/video.php#video
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/05/13/2812772-untitled-post?new&mode=edit
"France : a family who sold their home without disclosing a plan to build a wind farm in the neighbourhood was condemned to pay € 36,000 to the buyer, corresponding to the loss of value estimated at 20% by the judge."
http://environnementdurable.net/documents/html/immobilier1.htm
"Saturday Oct 4th, in Paris, 2000 to 3000 people coming from France and various European countries demonstrated peacefully against windfarms"
"To the right of the picture, the mayor of a village in France whose inhabitants ALL decided to sell their houses when a windfarm project was announced in the vicinity."
"The demonstration and conference was backed by 176 associations and federations"
http://collectif.4.octobre.free.fr/video.php#video
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
Hi Crusader, thank you for your thoughful comments. "Quick fixes" are seductive, how true.
“Cape Wind has stated that there will be no permanent employment associated with this project in Barnstable County” page 23 of 29 Cape Wind Energy Project JR20084 Staff Report-September 4, 2007/
New Report: 'High Road or Low Road'
Commissioned by: Change to Win, Sierra Club, the Laborers International Union of North America, and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters:
http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/pdf/gjfgreenjobsrpt.pdf
Awayfromthebay:
On Siemen's interest in the U.S offshore market, for starters:
http://www.newenergy.info/index.php?id=1592
Piggie: I certainly have no wish to be a man, considering your formidable talents :)
“Cape Wind has stated that there will be no permanent employment associated with this project in Barnstable County” page 23 of 29 Cape Wind Energy Project JR20084 Staff Report-September 4, 2007/
New Report: 'High Road or Low Road'
Commissioned by: Change to Win, Sierra Club, the Laborers International Union of North America, and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters:
http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/pdf/gjfgreenjobsrpt.pdf
Awayfromthebay:
On Siemen's interest in the U.S offshore market, for starters:
http://www.newenergy.info/index.php?id=1592
Piggie: I certainly have no wish to be a man, considering your formidable talents :)
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
Exempt:
"Vestas hasn't sold a sea-based turbine since December 2006. The company suspended sales of its 3-megawatt V90 offshore model after it had to replace faulty gearboxes at three wind parks..."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&refer=&sid=alnc6d8ZA0oE
Senior VP of Vestas Peter Kruse:
“The only way forward is more turbines in virgin ground onshore,” and, “Politicians want offshore so they can avoid the Nimby discussion, but they are allowing a tiny minority to force the rest of the population to pay double for renewable energy.”
http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2217931/vestas-calls-greater-focus
Google Vestas installed and start counting.
Your links are not relevant to "offshore" wind, a critical distinction.
Who's misleading whom here? And, I don't appreciate being called a liar by you.
"Vestas hasn't sold a sea-based turbine since December 2006. The company suspended sales of its 3-megawatt V90 offshore model after it had to replace faulty gearboxes at three wind parks..."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&refer=&sid=alnc6d8ZA0oE
Senior VP of Vestas Peter Kruse:
“The only way forward is more turbines in virgin ground onshore,” and, “Politicians want offshore so they can avoid the Nimby discussion, but they are allowing a tiny minority to force the rest of the population to pay double for renewable energy.”
http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2217931/vestas-calls-greater-focus
Google Vestas installed and start counting.
Your links are not relevant to "offshore" wind, a critical distinction.
Who's misleading whom here? And, I don't appreciate being called a liar by you.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
Piggie:
I think the fatal crash NTSB associates with wind turbines is germane to the Cape Wind FAA "Presumed Hazard".
"The pilot's failure to maintain control of the airplane while maneuvering around a wind farm at a low altitude also was a factor, according to a National Transportation Safety Board."
Page 65 of 322, of Section 5, of the Cape Wind MMS FEIS:
“The analysis shows that the highest possibility of an oil spill occurring in the area in and around Nantucket Sound is related to vessels transiting the area, regardless of the presence of the proposed action structures and related work vessels. Over the course of 30 years, transiting vessels alone may result in 21 spills from vessels colliding with one of the proposed action structures."
[30 yrs. divided by 21 vessels colliding equals 1.43 vessel strikes per year by introduction of Cape Wind]
Will these vessel strikes involve an oil tanker, passenger ferry, fishing vessel?
The PVA is to passenger vessels what the AWEA is to wind energy. Industry leaders. Against CW and for CW respectively.
I think the fatal crash NTSB associates with wind turbines is germane to the Cape Wind FAA "Presumed Hazard".
"The pilot's failure to maintain control of the airplane while maneuvering around a wind farm at a low altitude also was a factor, according to a National Transportation Safety Board."
Page 65 of 322, of Section 5, of the Cape Wind MMS FEIS:
“The analysis shows that the highest possibility of an oil spill occurring in the area in and around Nantucket Sound is related to vessels transiting the area, regardless of the presence of the proposed action structures and related work vessels. Over the course of 30 years, transiting vessels alone may result in 21 spills from vessels colliding with one of the proposed action structures."
[30 yrs. divided by 21 vessels colliding equals 1.43 vessel strikes per year by introduction of Cape Wind]
Will these vessel strikes involve an oil tanker, passenger ferry, fishing vessel?
The PVA is to passenger vessels what the AWEA is to wind energy. Industry leaders. Against CW and for CW respectively.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
The FAA will have the final say on the Cape Wind "Presumed Hazard" MMS represented in their teleconference today.
http://news.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=2&a=395350
USCG Commandant Thad Allen:
"I recently met in San Francisco with the Passenger Vessel Association. PVA represents the "non-foreign cruise ship" passenger vessel industry. I previously met with PVA in 2007 at their meeting in Charleston, SC. This is a very important partnership for the Coast Guard. Many PVA members are small businesses that represent the maritime culture of their operating areas including dinner cruises, water taxis, charter cruises, and ferries. In many ways they are the private sector "face of the port" in much the same way that our coastal stations are the face of the Coast Guard."
One month following Commandant's meeting with PVA leadership in San Francisco, the PVA BOD approved their revised resolution in opposition to the Cape Wind project, "because of its hazardous impact on navigation and safety of passengers on ferry vessels".
http://news.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=2&a=395350
USCG Commandant Thad Allen:
"I recently met in San Francisco with the Passenger Vessel Association. PVA represents the "non-foreign cruise ship" passenger vessel industry. I previously met with PVA in 2007 at their meeting in Charleston, SC. This is a very important partnership for the Coast Guard. Many PVA members are small businesses that represent the maritime culture of their operating areas including dinner cruises, water taxis, charter cruises, and ferries. In many ways they are the private sector "face of the port" in much the same way that our coastal stations are the face of the Coast Guard."
One month following Commandant's meeting with PVA leadership in San Francisco, the PVA BOD approved their revised resolution in opposition to the Cape Wind project, "because of its hazardous impact on navigation and safety of passengers on ferry vessels".
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
Cape Wind opponents exposed the GE 3.6 MW "discontinued" status. Mark Rodgers has since stated they're considering Vestas or Siemens. While, Vestas hasn't installed an offshore wind turbine since 2006. Siemens has stated they'll continue to sell land based wind turbines, only, to the U.S market. It should be noted that GE 3.6 MW was to be deployed at Gunfleet Sands, (FEIR), but Siemens was selected instead, which all spells expensive technology baths.
Before the credit crimping Wall Street events...
“The factors that the banks consider in providing the debt financing include wind study data, the size and number of wind turbines to be erected and the price the purchaser has agreed to pay for the power produced.”
“Debt financiers will only provide us with the financing that we require if our project will be economically viable based on the terms of the power purchase agreement.”
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/080418/kwpw.ob10qsb.html
Cape Wind is turbineless, and "not economically viable" 2/17/09 EPA FEIS comments.
Before the credit crimping Wall Street events...
“The factors that the banks consider in providing the debt financing include wind study data, the size and number of wind turbines to be erected and the price the purchaser has agreed to pay for the power produced.”
“Debt financiers will only provide us with the financing that we require if our project will be economically viable based on the terms of the power purchase agreement.”
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/080418/kwpw.ob10qsb.html
Cape Wind is turbineless, and "not economically viable" 2/17/09 EPA FEIS comments.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
In response to: Obama opens oceans for offshore energy exploration
Piggie:
Cape Wind conscientious objectors don't know the meaning of defeat.
I have been quite active, rest assured, gathering evidence and distributing the same. If I'm Blogging, I'm not researching. As you're well aware, knowledge is power.
The news that Cape Wind will be held to the standard of rules is most welcome.
Please note that Cape Wind has no source for wind turbines, or financing, as a phantom project. While based on their spec's, this project is an FAA "Presumed Hazard".
Here's a test of your CW knowledge:
How many vessel collisions per year does MMS estimate will occur if Cape Wind is constructed?
Cape Wind conscientious objectors don't know the meaning of defeat.
I have been quite active, rest assured, gathering evidence and distributing the same. If I'm Blogging, I'm not researching. As you're well aware, knowledge is power.
The news that Cape Wind will be held to the standard of rules is most welcome.
Please note that Cape Wind has no source for wind turbines, or financing, as a phantom project. While based on their spec's, this project is an FAA "Presumed Hazard".
Here's a test of your CW knowledge:
How many vessel collisions per year does MMS estimate will occur if Cape Wind is constructed?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Latest distortion of facts by Cape Cod Times on Cape Wind
In response to: Latest distortion of facts by Cape Cod Times on Cape Wind
Carl: I beat a retreat to enjoy the last vestiges of good skiing in VT.
And, "cockroaches cause asthma, not particulates from burning hydrocarbons" is not my quote. It was also a quote challenged by a Chelsea resident who expressed offense over a socio-economic slur related to the duplicity of Cape Wind's fossil fuel plant proposal for Chelsea.
Voiceofreason: Wind energy as a solution to GW is one of the greatest and most cruel hoaxes of our time, agreed!
"The clean tech sector is the fastest growing area of the venture asset class and fertile ground for growth and profits, said Ira Ehrenpreis, general partner, Technology Partners, and conference chairman. The environment and profit go hand in hand, according to Ehrenpreis. "Clean tech is all about the green, not the environment," he said."
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/02/venture-capitalists-money-is-tight-in-the-green-sector
Charles Kleekamp of Clean Power Now is challenged for his latest distortion of facts published by Cape Cod Today:
http://masterresource.org/?p=1747
And, "cockroaches cause asthma, not particulates from burning hydrocarbons" is not my quote. It was also a quote challenged by a Chelsea resident who expressed offense over a socio-economic slur related to the duplicity of Cape Wind's fossil fuel plant proposal for Chelsea.
Voiceofreason: Wind energy as a solution to GW is one of the greatest and most cruel hoaxes of our time, agreed!
"The clean tech sector is the fastest growing area of the venture asset class and fertile ground for growth and profits, said Ira Ehrenpreis, general partner, Technology Partners, and conference chairman. The environment and profit go hand in hand, according to Ehrenpreis. "Clean tech is all about the green, not the environment," he said."
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/02/venture-capitalists-money-is-tight-in-the-green-sector
Charles Kleekamp of Clean Power Now is challenged for his latest distortion of facts published by Cape Cod Today:
http://masterresource.org/?p=1747
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Same old, same old at Cape Cod Commission
In response to: Same old, same old at Cape Cod Commission
Cape Cod Today sour grapes come as no surprise in the aftermath of approximately 23 speakers' excoriation of Cape Wind at the CCC Public Meeting. Two lone defenders of Cape Wind offered nothing supportable, just the standard CW conjecture.
$9,554,631 for 24 square miles of ocean, (15,360 Acres), is laughable, and not a fair return to the nation for the condemnation of Nantucket Sound by Cape Wind. $2.59 per month, per Acre, over a 20 year term, represents a "taking" in exchange for a public safety hazard as identified by the experts of navigation of this airspace and waterway.
MA Audubon has undermined the NEPA environmental review process, in which they are involved, by offering their "support" of Cape Wind. MA Audubon staff scientists identified that Cape Wind would cause up to 6,600 avian mortalities per year, where endangered species are "at the brink of extinction".
MA Audubon's support for Cape Wind is conditioned upon Agency acceptance of a contract funded by Cape Wind. That USFWS, under the ESA Section 7 review process, state is "doomed to failure".
$9,554,631 for 24 square miles of ocean, (15,360 Acres), is laughable, and not a fair return to the nation for the condemnation of Nantucket Sound by Cape Wind. $2.59 per month, per Acre, over a 20 year term, represents a "taking" in exchange for a public safety hazard as identified by the experts of navigation of this airspace and waterway.
MA Audubon has undermined the NEPA environmental review process, in which they are involved, by offering their "support" of Cape Wind. MA Audubon staff scientists identified that Cape Wind would cause up to 6,600 avian mortalities per year, where endangered species are "at the brink of extinction".
MA Audubon's support for Cape Wind is conditioned upon Agency acceptance of a contract funded by Cape Wind. That USFWS, under the ESA Section 7 review process, state is "doomed to failure".
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Public meeting on Cape Wind March 30
In response to: Public meeting on Cape Wind March 30
Cape Wind informed the CCC that no permanent full time jobs would be created in Barnstable County by their project.
The captains of the wind industry admit offshore economics are unfavorable.
“Shell will no longer invest in renewable energy technologies such as wind, solar and hydro power because they are not economic, the Anglo-Dutch oil company said today…”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/17/royaldutchshell-energy
Senior VP of Vestas Peter Kruse: "The only way forward is more turbines in virgin ground onshore," and, "Politicians want offshore so they can avoid the Nimby discussion, but they are allowing a tiny minority to force the rest of the population to pay double for renewable energy."
http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2217931/vestas-calls-greater-focus
"Clean tech is all about the green, not the environment."
Ira Ehrenpreis Chairman of the Clean Tech Investor Summit
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/02/venture-capitalists-money-is-tight-in-the-green-sector
Thank you, CCC!
The captains of the wind industry admit offshore economics are unfavorable.
“Shell will no longer invest in renewable energy technologies such as wind, solar and hydro power because they are not economic, the Anglo-Dutch oil company said today…”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/17/royaldutchshell-energy
Senior VP of Vestas Peter Kruse: "The only way forward is more turbines in virgin ground onshore," and, "Politicians want offshore so they can avoid the Nimby discussion, but they are allowing a tiny minority to force the rest of the population to pay double for renewable energy."
http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2217931/vestas-calls-greater-focus
"Clean tech is all about the green, not the environment."
Ira Ehrenpreis Chairman of the Clean Tech Investor Summit
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/02/venture-capitalists-money-is-tight-in-the-green-sector
Thank you, CCC!
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
Carl, 'nuf said and seen here:
http://coalicionventanasverraco.org/node/255
Telegraph UK
'Windfarms: One of the great deceptions of our time'
"The total power generated by all the 2,300 turbines so far built in Britain, is less than that contributed by a single medium-size conventional power station."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2910741/Windfarms-One-of-the-great-deceptions-of-our-time.html
Shell Wind:
“Shell will no longer invest in renewable energy technologies such as wind, solar and hydro power because they are not economic, the Anglo-Dutch oil company said today…”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/17/royaldutchshell-energy
http://coalicionventanasverraco.org/node/255
Telegraph UK
'Windfarms: One of the great deceptions of our time'
"The total power generated by all the 2,300 turbines so far built in Britain, is less than that contributed by a single medium-size conventional power station."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2910741/Windfarms-One-of-the-great-deceptions-of-our-time.html
Shell Wind:
“Shell will no longer invest in renewable energy technologies such as wind, solar and hydro power because they are not economic, the Anglo-Dutch oil company said today…”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/17/royaldutchshell-energy
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Christy comes out swinging
In response to: Christy comes out swinging
Yes, I would vote for Christy. And I hope I have that pleasure, soon.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
Dear Piggie:
Just the facts, I'm siding with Nantucket Sound and applicable law, add a dose of common sense, and you have my attention.
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/21/2577658-wind-power-cost-clarified-by-glenn-schleede-?mode=edit
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/17/royaldutchshell-energy
'Shell dumps wind, solar and hydro power in favour of biofuels'
Tim Webb
guardian.co.uk
17 March 2009
"Shell will no longer invest in renewable technologies such as wind, solar and hydro power because they are not economic, the Anglo-Dutch oil company said today. It plans to invest more in biofuels which environmental groups blame for driving up food prices and deforestation..."
Just the facts, I'm siding with Nantucket Sound and applicable law, add a dose of common sense, and you have my attention.
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/21/2577658-wind-power-cost-clarified-by-glenn-schleede-?mode=edit
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/17/royaldutchshell-energy
'Shell dumps wind, solar and hydro power in favour of biofuels'
Tim Webb
guardian.co.uk
17 March 2009
"Shell will no longer invest in renewable technologies such as wind, solar and hydro power because they are not economic, the Anglo-Dutch oil company said today. It plans to invest more in biofuels which environmental groups blame for driving up food prices and deforestation..."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
Piggie and Carl:
'Offshore' is not viable/
February 12, 2009
Bloomberg News
"Offshore wind-energy installations in Northern Europe have lost appeal among financiers because of increased costs and difficulties in building and running equipment miles at sea, a German banker said.”
Senior VP of Vestas Peter Kruse: "The only way forward is more turbines in virgin ground onshore," and, "Politicians want offshore so they can avoid the Nimby discussion, but they are allowing a tiny minority to force the rest of the population to pay double for renewable energy.'
"GE Wind Energy Europe Managing Director Rainer Broring states the 3.6 MW GE 3.6l has been shelved for the moment, "GE's initial plan to install a prototype this year will therefore not materialise yet..."
"GE Wind, the subsidiary of the American energy giant General Electric, has left the risky business at sea altogether. Although seven 3.6-MW turbines have operated since 2003 ten kilometres off the Irish port of Arklow, the more secure business is on shore, says a spokesman of the company."
'Offshore' is not viable/
February 12, 2009
Bloomberg News
"Offshore wind-energy installations in Northern Europe have lost appeal among financiers because of increased costs and difficulties in building and running equipment miles at sea, a German banker said.”
Senior VP of Vestas Peter Kruse: "The only way forward is more turbines in virgin ground onshore," and, "Politicians want offshore so they can avoid the Nimby discussion, but they are allowing a tiny minority to force the rest of the population to pay double for renewable energy.'
"GE Wind Energy Europe Managing Director Rainer Broring states the 3.6 MW GE 3.6l has been shelved for the moment, "GE's initial plan to install a prototype this year will therefore not materialise yet..."
"GE Wind, the subsidiary of the American energy giant General Electric, has left the risky business at sea altogether. Although seven 3.6-MW turbines have operated since 2003 ten kilometres off the Irish port of Arklow, the more secure business is on shore, says a spokesman of the company."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Incongruity lost on editors but not on readers
In response to: Incongruity lost on editors but not on readers
Carl,
Wind requires back-up, so it's not a "replacement". The only think "predictable" about wind energy is that each turbine, 8,000 part per, should be expected to break down based on statistical evidence. Each paragraph represents a structural failure in this first link.
If airplane technology compares, I'll take a train, boat, or a car.
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/26/2357728-why-wind-energy-is-not-the-answer
Who pays for operation and maintenance, scheduled and unscheduled? What about access impediments, down time? (Horns Rev, Nysted?) Maintenance cost is approximately 30% of the cost of energy COE.
With 200 gallons of oil per, who pays for the environmental damage in the event of failure, lightening strike, or in the event such as occurred in NYS with Noble Wind just last week?
You and I, wind fan or foe.
Wind requires back-up, so it's not a "replacement". The only think "predictable" about wind energy is that each turbine, 8,000 part per, should be expected to break down based on statistical evidence. Each paragraph represents a structural failure in this first link.
If airplane technology compares, I'll take a train, boat, or a car.
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/26/2357728-why-wind-energy-is-not-the-answer
Who pays for operation and maintenance, scheduled and unscheduled? What about access impediments, down time? (Horns Rev, Nysted?) Maintenance cost is approximately 30% of the cost of energy COE.
With 200 gallons of oil per, who pays for the environmental damage in the event of failure, lightening strike, or in the event such as occurred in NYS with Noble Wind just last week?
You and I, wind fan or foe.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Incongruity lost on editors but not on readers
In response to: Incongruity lost on editors but not on readers
Carl:
What's the value of the sacrifice of quiet enjoyment of one's environs in Hull?
"...pro-wind supporters often say that issues such as turbine noise are just a myth, but those who live with turbines can tell you otherwise. Anyone who says that turbines don't make enough noise to bother anyone is just not being honest. Even one turbine is enough to be heard a mile away. In our case, the turbine is at the edge of the water and in the middle of a very peaceful estuary, so the sound may be more amplified than in most places, but people's noise concerns should not be discounted. And while the noise is an issue, the massive shadow from the turbine is another very upsetting issue, which again, should not be discounted."
Khela Thorne of Hingham, MA
Hull II Wind Turbine Jan. 31, 2007
Amortizing offshore energy costs over 25 or 30 years helps to reduce the cost. But divide that life expectancy in half, and that cost is doubled, and consistent with real world experience.
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/aug2007/gb20070824_562452.htm
What's the value of the sacrifice of quiet enjoyment of one's environs in Hull?
"...pro-wind supporters often say that issues such as turbine noise are just a myth, but those who live with turbines can tell you otherwise. Anyone who says that turbines don't make enough noise to bother anyone is just not being honest. Even one turbine is enough to be heard a mile away. In our case, the turbine is at the edge of the water and in the middle of a very peaceful estuary, so the sound may be more amplified than in most places, but people's noise concerns should not be discounted. And while the noise is an issue, the massive shadow from the turbine is another very upsetting issue, which again, should not be discounted."
Khela Thorne of Hingham, MA
Hull II Wind Turbine Jan. 31, 2007
Amortizing offshore energy costs over 25 or 30 years helps to reduce the cost. But divide that life expectancy in half, and that cost is doubled, and consistent with real world experience.
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/aug2007/gb20070824_562452.htm
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Barnstable's Improper Lawsuit
In response to: Barnstable's Improper Lawsuit
Breaking news, Reuters:
[Salazar] "...He said the department will make a final decision "in the next several months" on whether to give final approval to the controversial Cape Wind project off the coast of Massachusetts that aims to provide power for 400,000 homes.
With an estimated price tag of more than $1 billion, Cape Wind would consist of 130 wind turbines over 24 square miles (62 sq km) in Nantucket Sound, within view of popular Cape Cod resorts.
The project won a favorable environmental review from the department in January but faces stiff opposition from business leaders and politicians, including Senator Edward Kennedy.
Cape Wind's turbines would stand about 440 feet (135 meters) from the surface of the water to the tip of the blade. Opponents say the turbines would be unsightly and threaten the area's tourist industry around Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket."
Note:
Wendy Williams cites Cape Wind capital cost as $2 bn. in Pro-Jo.
[Salazar] "...He said the department will make a final decision "in the next several months" on whether to give final approval to the controversial Cape Wind project off the coast of Massachusetts that aims to provide power for 400,000 homes.
With an estimated price tag of more than $1 billion, Cape Wind would consist of 130 wind turbines over 24 square miles (62 sq km) in Nantucket Sound, within view of popular Cape Cod resorts.
The project won a favorable environmental review from the department in January but faces stiff opposition from business leaders and politicians, including Senator Edward Kennedy.
Cape Wind's turbines would stand about 440 feet (135 meters) from the surface of the water to the tip of the blade. Opponents say the turbines would be unsightly and threaten the area's tourist industry around Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket."
Note:
Wendy Williams cites Cape Wind capital cost as $2 bn. in Pro-Jo.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Barnstable's Improper Lawsuit
In response to: Barnstable's Improper Lawsuit
You're spending considerable time counting your wind turbines before they're hatched, Piggie.
You do recognize that Cape Wind will seek a Power Purchase Agreement that would demonstrate their ability to pay back the banks. To secure a PPA, Cape Wind would need to indentify customers willing to pay "twice" their current price of energy, and sign a contract to this effect.
No takers = No PPA = No financing.
But, then there is the matter of G.E. 3.6 MW wind turbines "discontinued" as GE has left the risky business of sea altogether. Investors will require make, model and warranty information, along with a contract executed by Cape Wind, for manufacturing and supply, before they would consider Cape Wind worthy of their investment.
Despite your gleeful, albeit premature celebration, Cape Wind is quite a distance from becomming reality, (as an FAA "Presumed Hazard" whose lead federal permitting entity is under investigation by the IG).
Defeat with honor!
You do recognize that Cape Wind will seek a Power Purchase Agreement that would demonstrate their ability to pay back the banks. To secure a PPA, Cape Wind would need to indentify customers willing to pay "twice" their current price of energy, and sign a contract to this effect.
No takers = No PPA = No financing.
But, then there is the matter of G.E. 3.6 MW wind turbines "discontinued" as GE has left the risky business of sea altogether. Investors will require make, model and warranty information, along with a contract executed by Cape Wind, for manufacturing and supply, before they would consider Cape Wind worthy of their investment.
Despite your gleeful, albeit premature celebration, Cape Wind is quite a distance from becomming reality, (as an FAA "Presumed Hazard" whose lead federal permitting entity is under investigation by the IG).
Defeat with honor!
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Incongruity lost on editors but not on readers
In response to: Incongruity lost on editors but not on readers
Piggie:
I'm influenced by facts and research, not by what you consider to be popular opinion.
CCToday cites exactly what the DOE provides as cause to permit that which does not stand on merits-to demonstrate my point.
Green lobby must be treated as a religion
http://www.johnkay.com/political/479
John Kay:
http://www2.johnkay.com/press_kit/
JK_cvacadem.pdf
"Windmills on roofs and cycling to work are insignificant in practical consequence, but that is to miss their point. Every ideology needs rituals of observance which demonstrate the commitment of adherents. Business should treat the environmental movement as it treats other forms of religious belief. Business leaders do not themselves have to believe its doctrines. Indeed we should be wary if they do: business linked to faiths and ideologies is a sinister and unaccountable power."
I would add: "...business (and governments), linked to faiths and ideologies is (are) a sinister and unaccountable power."
I'm influenced by facts and research, not by what you consider to be popular opinion.
CCToday cites exactly what the DOE provides as cause to permit that which does not stand on merits-to demonstrate my point.
Green lobby must be treated as a religion
http://www.johnkay.com/political/479
John Kay:
http://www2.johnkay.com/press_kit/
JK_cvacadem.pdf
"Windmills on roofs and cycling to work are insignificant in practical consequence, but that is to miss their point. Every ideology needs rituals of observance which demonstrate the commitment of adherents. Business should treat the environmental movement as it treats other forms of religious belief. Business leaders do not themselves have to believe its doctrines. Indeed we should be wary if they do: business linked to faiths and ideologies is a sinister and unaccountable power."
I would add: "...business (and governments), linked to faiths and ideologies is (are) a sinister and unaccountable power."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Incongruity lost on editors but not on readers
In response to: Incongruity lost on editors but not on readers
Poppycock!
The Energy Facilities Siting Board is charged with ensuring a reliable energy supply for the Commonwealth with a minimum impact on the environment at the lowest possible cost. G.L. c. 164, §69H.
But you can't get there from here on the Cape Wind vehicle. The Cape Cod Commission acts in the interest of ratepayers, taxpayers, and the environment as they have filed suit against Deval Patrick's Energy Facilities Siting Board. EFSB lacks jurisdiction. While Cape Wind the "good neighbor" attempts to circumvent this Regional Planner's denial of Cape Wind for Cape Wind's failure to meet the CCC Minimum Performance Standards.
Go Cape Cod Commission!
The EPA echoes the lead Cape Wind reviewing Agency in stating Cape Wind is "not economically viable". [February 17, 2009 EPA response to the Cape Wind MMS FEIS]
Ask who funded the Grant for the great swamping of the Northeast study.
The Department of Energy as this is a shakedown of taxpayers subliminal message-approve Cape Wind or drown, we want your tax dollars.
The Energy Facilities Siting Board is charged with ensuring a reliable energy supply for the Commonwealth with a minimum impact on the environment at the lowest possible cost. G.L. c. 164, §69H.
But you can't get there from here on the Cape Wind vehicle. The Cape Cod Commission acts in the interest of ratepayers, taxpayers, and the environment as they have filed suit against Deval Patrick's Energy Facilities Siting Board. EFSB lacks jurisdiction. While Cape Wind the "good neighbor" attempts to circumvent this Regional Planner's denial of Cape Wind for Cape Wind's failure to meet the CCC Minimum Performance Standards.
Go Cape Cod Commission!
The EPA echoes the lead Cape Wind reviewing Agency in stating Cape Wind is "not economically viable". [February 17, 2009 EPA response to the Cape Wind MMS FEIS]
Ask who funded the Grant for the great swamping of the Northeast study.
The Department of Energy as this is a shakedown of taxpayers subliminal message-approve Cape Wind or drown, we want your tax dollars.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
Piggie:
I'm offering two more reports for your hopeful evaluation.
Why do you suppose 292 signatory organisations from 15 European countries are calling for moratorium on wind energy?
http://www.epaw.org/
Perhaps because...
Telegraph UK
‘Wind farms fail to deliver value for money, report claims’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/
newstopics/politics/2910739/Wind-farms-fail-to-deliver-value-for-money-report-claims.html
This report is by the California Public Utility Commission:
Reuters
November 7, 2008
‘California study shows high cost of renewable power’
“While renewable power one day may compete with baseload power sources such as natural gas, coal and nuclear, it currently is more costly, and much less dependable.”
http://in.reuters.com/article/
governmentFilingsNews/idINN0629356520081107?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
I'm offering two more reports for your hopeful evaluation.
Why do you suppose 292 signatory organisations from 15 European countries are calling for moratorium on wind energy?
http://www.epaw.org/
Perhaps because...
Telegraph UK
‘Wind farms fail to deliver value for money, report claims’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/
newstopics/politics/2910739/Wind-farms-fail-to-deliver-value-for-money-report-claims.html
This report is by the California Public Utility Commission:
Reuters
November 7, 2008
‘California study shows high cost of renewable power’
“While renewable power one day may compete with baseload power sources such as natural gas, coal and nuclear, it currently is more costly, and much less dependable.”
http://in.reuters.com/article/
governmentFilingsNews/idINN0629356520081107?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
"Wind is free--There is currently no property right to wind--but wind energy is expensive. In fact, it is "the most expensive form of generation we have in Texas."
"The true cost of electricity from wind is much higher than wind advocates admit. Wind energy advocates ignore key elements of the true cost of electricity from wind, including: (I) The cost of tax breaks and subsidies which shift tax burden and costs from 'wind farm' owners to ordinary taxpayers and electricity customers. (II) The cost of providing backup power to balance the intermittent and volatile output from wind turbines. (III) The full, true cost of transmitting electricity from 'wind farms' to electricity consumers and the extra burden on grid management."
http://www.texaspolicy.com/pdf/2008-09-RR10-WindEnergy-dt-new.pdf
"The true cost of electricity from wind is much higher than wind advocates admit. Wind energy advocates ignore key elements of the true cost of electricity from wind, including: (I) The cost of tax breaks and subsidies which shift tax burden and costs from 'wind farm' owners to ordinary taxpayers and electricity customers. (II) The cost of providing backup power to balance the intermittent and volatile output from wind turbines. (III) The full, true cost of transmitting electricity from 'wind farms' to electricity consumers and the extra burden on grid management."
http://www.texaspolicy.com/pdf/2008-09-RR10-WindEnergy-dt-new.pdf
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Barnstable's Improper Lawsuit
In response to: Barnstable's Improper Lawsuit
This isn't a Dancing with the Stars beauty pageant, Sarah. The Cape Wind PR machine has dumbed downed the facts to, If you loathe rich NIMBYs, vote for Cape Wind, (quite brilliantly I might add, while unhelpful to the process).
(For the second and last time The Editors are deleting MS Durkin's off topic listing of a lawyer and his clients.)
Blame Cape Wind that failed to meet the Cape Cod Commission's Minimum Performance Standards; and the EFSB that fails to provide adequate protection to citizens and the environment, for the cost of litigation required to protect the interests of citizens' and the environment.
(For the second and last time The Editors are deleting MS Durkin's off topic listing of a lawyer and his clients.)
Blame Cape Wind that failed to meet the Cape Cod Commission's Minimum Performance Standards; and the EFSB that fails to provide adequate protection to citizens and the environment, for the cost of litigation required to protect the interests of citizens' and the environment.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
Mr. Kleekamp:
"Where has wind power lowered the cost of electricity in the US?"
According to the world's largest manufacturer of wind turbines, Vestas' Chief, who was asked about Cape Wind as reported in the Boston Globe on 9/21/08, stated:
“And, therefore, I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it’s twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, “Why?”
Maverick is extending considerable latitude without specifying "offshore" as "apples to apples" in his question.
Please provide Maverick with a respectful answer to his respectful question, Mr. Kleekamp.
"Where has wind power lowered the cost of electricity in the US?"
According to the world's largest manufacturer of wind turbines, Vestas' Chief, who was asked about Cape Wind as reported in the Boston Globe on 9/21/08, stated:
“And, therefore, I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it’s twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, “Why?”
Maverick is extending considerable latitude without specifying "offshore" as "apples to apples" in his question.
Please provide Maverick with a respectful answer to his respectful question, Mr. Kleekamp.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
In response to: Cape Wind Electricity Costs Clarified
Sarafromsandwwich:
EPA response to the Cape Wind FEIS 2/17/09:
"We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable. The discussion of economic viability provided in the FEIS in Section 3.2.1.2. is the same as the DEIS, Section 3.2.1.2. of the FEIS states that the site of the proposed action in Nantucket Sound “has the greatest potential”. In addition, the information contained in the Economic Model in Appendix F remains unchanged.”
Appendix F:
“Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET AND THIS IS AFTER THE FULL BENEFIT OF TAX AND RPS INCENTIVES, the prospects of entering a long-term purchase power contract would seem low.”
EPA response to the Cape Wind FEIS 2/17/09:
"We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable. The discussion of economic viability provided in the FEIS in Section 3.2.1.2. is the same as the DEIS, Section 3.2.1.2. of the FEIS states that the site of the proposed action in Nantucket Sound “has the greatest potential”. In addition, the information contained in the Economic Model in Appendix F remains unchanged.”
Appendix F:
“Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET AND THIS IS AFTER THE FULL BENEFIT OF TAX AND RPS INCENTIVES, the prospects of entering a long-term purchase power contract would seem low.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Barnstable's Improper Lawsuit
In response to: Barnstable's Improper Lawsuit
Question:
What's unsavory?
Cape Wind's attempt to circumvent local boards as their future neighbors?
Clean Power Now paid for fuzzy math by Civil Society, 87% project support?
Governor Patrick's gutting of Chapter 91 Waterways and Public Protection Act that required Cape Wind to obtain a variance?
The sweetheart Cubin Amendment that bestows upon Cape Wind a "no bid deal" and eliminates their motivation to select a less conflicted site?
And/Or is Cape Wind "taking" marine mammals by harassment; and causing avian mortalities of up to 6,600 birds per year, by a project that is "not economically viable", unsavory?
Answer:
The Cape Cod Commission is penny wise, while Cape Wind is pounds foolish and unsavory.
What's unsavory?
Cape Wind's attempt to circumvent local boards as their future neighbors?
Clean Power Now paid for fuzzy math by Civil Society, 87% project support?
Governor Patrick's gutting of Chapter 91 Waterways and Public Protection Act that required Cape Wind to obtain a variance?
The sweetheart Cubin Amendment that bestows upon Cape Wind a "no bid deal" and eliminates their motivation to select a less conflicted site?
And/Or is Cape Wind "taking" marine mammals by harassment; and causing avian mortalities of up to 6,600 birds per year, by a project that is "not economically viable", unsavory?
Answer:
The Cape Cod Commission is penny wise, while Cape Wind is pounds foolish and unsavory.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
Bittersweet:
Business is business. I don't blame Jim Gordon for exploiting faulty and non-existent policy to make himself richer. I don't care how he "feels" any more than Jim cares about how I "feel". Jim intends to circumvent local boards via a super permit. Does this spell good neighbor to you? Jim refuses to disclose the cost of his product that MMS and the EPA confirm is "not economically viable". I don't take business interests' at their word, I rely on binding contracts. Jim is a brilliant salesman capable of selling us what we can't afford that doesn't work. 440' industrial steel towers covered in anti-fouling paint require manufacturing, transport, pile driving, plastic scour mats, toxic oils; also require back up fossil fuel, and have massive industrial footprints. True green minimizes man's footprint, faux green maximizes Jim's bottom line.
Plant trees as a carbon sink, not industrial wind tax farms that produce unreliable and expensive energy while they destroy wildlife and their critical habitats.
Business is business. I don't blame Jim Gordon for exploiting faulty and non-existent policy to make himself richer. I don't care how he "feels" any more than Jim cares about how I "feel". Jim intends to circumvent local boards via a super permit. Does this spell good neighbor to you? Jim refuses to disclose the cost of his product that MMS and the EPA confirm is "not economically viable". I don't take business interests' at their word, I rely on binding contracts. Jim is a brilliant salesman capable of selling us what we can't afford that doesn't work. 440' industrial steel towers covered in anti-fouling paint require manufacturing, transport, pile driving, plastic scour mats, toxic oils; also require back up fossil fuel, and have massive industrial footprints. True green minimizes man's footprint, faux green maximizes Jim's bottom line.
Plant trees as a carbon sink, not industrial wind tax farms that produce unreliable and expensive energy while they destroy wildlife and their critical habitats.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
Thank you, Maverick, for your admirable defense of, and active appreciation for the gift of Nantucket Sound.
Cape Wind is an anti-environmental tax farm as well as an indefensible non-solution; except to Jim Gordon and industry.
"The other scenario is vessels operating in the scenario, within in wind farm and trying to do collision avoidance operations in there. That to me was problematic. When we looked at what came out of that. Ah, we found it very difficult for one vessel to see another vessel." USCG Captain Raymond Perry to Cape Wind Coast Guard Radar Workshop Panelists 12/05/09
Reports wind energy cost, (even onshore wind is not reliable or afforable):
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/05/2400385-even-rich-nimbys-cant-afford-cape-winds-energy
Cape Wind poses immitigable harm to avian life:
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/11/2534556-dear-secretary-salazar-please-do-not-sign-off-on-cape-wind-
You're welcome, Possee :)
Your punctuation looks fine, Piggie.
Cape Wind is an anti-environmental tax farm as well as an indefensible non-solution; except to Jim Gordon and industry.
"The other scenario is vessels operating in the scenario, within in wind farm and trying to do collision avoidance operations in there. That to me was problematic. When we looked at what came out of that. Ah, we found it very difficult for one vessel to see another vessel." USCG Captain Raymond Perry to Cape Wind Coast Guard Radar Workshop Panelists 12/05/09
Reports wind energy cost, (even onshore wind is not reliable or afforable):
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/05/2400385-even-rich-nimbys-cant-afford-cape-winds-energy
Cape Wind poses immitigable harm to avian life:
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/11/2534556-dear-secretary-salazar-please-do-not-sign-off-on-cape-wind-
You're welcome, Possee :)
Your punctuation looks fine, Piggie.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
Possee:
MMS DEIS and FEIS acknowledge Cape Wind energy would be twice the price of current energy without public subsidies.
BHI projects public subsidies would equal 77% of Cape Wind capital cost that Wendy Williams now reports is $2 billion.
Cape Wind refuses to provide that which they would provide if the cost of their energy was affordable, the price.
The world's largest manufacturer of wind turbines, Vestas President and CEO Ditlev Engle, stated of Cape Wind to Boston Globe reporter Erin Ailworth (Sept. 21, 2009):
"And, therefore, I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it’s twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, “Why?”
Compelling evidence suggests this FAA "Presumed Hazard" presents immitigable harm not only to endangered wildlife, but to ferry passengers, and flight passengers as well.
Would you sign a contract to pay twice your current price for Cape Wind energy?
MMS DEIS and FEIS acknowledge Cape Wind energy would be twice the price of current energy without public subsidies.
BHI projects public subsidies would equal 77% of Cape Wind capital cost that Wendy Williams now reports is $2 billion.
Cape Wind refuses to provide that which they would provide if the cost of their energy was affordable, the price.
The world's largest manufacturer of wind turbines, Vestas President and CEO Ditlev Engle, stated of Cape Wind to Boston Globe reporter Erin Ailworth (Sept. 21, 2009):
"And, therefore, I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it’s twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, “Why?”
Compelling evidence suggests this FAA "Presumed Hazard" presents immitigable harm not only to endangered wildlife, but to ferry passengers, and flight passengers as well.
Would you sign a contract to pay twice your current price for Cape Wind energy?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
Carl:
Do you see wind turbines in Nantucket Sound today? If you don't, it's you and your cronies standing at "0".
Mark Rodgers states Cape Wind plans to secure a Power Purchase Ageement. MMS states that's unlikely as Cape Wind "twice" the current price energy is "not economically viable" (so states EPA 2/14/09).
Stephen Peckham: Why do you feel the need to lie about me? I'm not paid to express my viewpoint that Cape Wind is all adverse impacts sans benefits- except to Cape Wind.
Reuters
November 7, 2008
‘California study shows high cost of renewable power’
“While renewable power one day may compete with baseload power sources such as natural gas, coal and nuclear, it currently is more costly, and much less dependable.”
http://in.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idINN0629356520081107?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
Do you see wind turbines in Nantucket Sound today? If you don't, it's you and your cronies standing at "0".
Mark Rodgers states Cape Wind plans to secure a Power Purchase Ageement. MMS states that's unlikely as Cape Wind "twice" the current price energy is "not economically viable" (so states EPA 2/14/09).
Stephen Peckham: Why do you feel the need to lie about me? I'm not paid to express my viewpoint that Cape Wind is all adverse impacts sans benefits- except to Cape Wind.
Reuters
November 7, 2008
‘California study shows high cost of renewable power’
“While renewable power one day may compete with baseload power sources such as natural gas, coal and nuclear, it currently is more costly, and much less dependable.”
http://in.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idINN0629356520081107?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
Taber Allison of Mass Audubon writes:
SouthCoastToday: 8/03/06
"Mass Audubon scientists have never concluded that up to 6,600 birds, or any number of birds, would be killed if this project is permitted."
Mass Audubon comments on the Cape Wind DEIS: Reference File No. NAE-2004-338-1, EOEA No. 12643:
"By utilizing other bird mortality data provided in the DEIS, Mass Audubon staff scientists arrived at avian mortalities that ranged from 2,300 to 6,600 collision deaths per year."
http://www.massaudubon.org/PDF/
CapeWindDEIS.pdf
"Bankrupt power trader Enron Corp. announced last month it would sell its California-based wind-turbine unit to General Electric Co.'s Power Systems division for an undisclosed amount. Enron Wind is the largest U.S. manufacturer of wind turbines, and was one of Enron's largest remaining assets that could be used to pay creditors. Founded in 1981 as Zond Corp., it was acquired by Enron in 1997."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4695/is_200203/ai_n17398225?tag=content;col1
SouthCoastToday: 8/03/06
"Mass Audubon scientists have never concluded that up to 6,600 birds, or any number of birds, would be killed if this project is permitted."
Mass Audubon comments on the Cape Wind DEIS: Reference File No. NAE-2004-338-1, EOEA No. 12643:
"By utilizing other bird mortality data provided in the DEIS, Mass Audubon staff scientists arrived at avian mortalities that ranged from 2,300 to 6,600 collision deaths per year."
http://www.massaudubon.org/PDF/
CapeWindDEIS.pdf
"Bankrupt power trader Enron Corp. announced last month it would sell its California-based wind-turbine unit to General Electric Co.'s Power Systems division for an undisclosed amount. Enron Wind is the largest U.S. manufacturer of wind turbines, and was one of Enron's largest remaining assets that could be used to pay creditors. Founded in 1981 as Zond Corp., it was acquired by Enron in 1997."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4695/is_200203/ai_n17398225?tag=content;col1
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
Very clever, Bobcat.
Sheik on our Sheckles Ian in the NYT's:
"The cost of transmission should be incorporated into the overall cost of bringing clean energy to market."
How much more than "twice" the current market priced Cape Wind energy is transmission cost us, Ian?
According to the DOE, transmission cost specifically required for WIND ENERGY ISO NE is up to $3.9 billion,
Which brings that added inconvenience of eminent domain, here and there, AKA, "institutional issues".
http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/ems/
reports/lbnl-1471e.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/07/
opinion/07bowles.html?_r=1
Nuclear actually works.
Wind energy? Is brought to you by Enron.
http://www.energytribune.com/
articles.cfm?aid=1029
Sheik on our Sheckles Ian in the NYT's:
"The cost of transmission should be incorporated into the overall cost of bringing clean energy to market."
How much more than "twice" the current market priced Cape Wind energy is transmission cost us, Ian?
According to the DOE, transmission cost specifically required for WIND ENERGY ISO NE is up to $3.9 billion,
Which brings that added inconvenience of eminent domain, here and there, AKA, "institutional issues".
http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/ems/
reports/lbnl-1471e.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/07/
opinion/07bowles.html?_r=1
Nuclear actually works.
Wind energy? Is brought to you by Enron.
http://www.energytribune.com/
articles.cfm?aid=1029
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
In response to: Cape Wind gets unanimous approval for composite certificate
Energy Facilities Siting Board is charged with ensuring a reliable energy supply for the Commonwealth, with a minimum impact on the environment at the lowest possible cost, M.G.L. c. 164, §69H.
EPA states in their 2/17/09 FEIS comments:
“We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable.”
When did "not economically viable" become synonymous with "lowest possible cost"?
Governor Patrick and Secretary Bowles must have published a new dictionary.
EPA states in their 2/17/09 FEIS comments:
“We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable.”
When did "not economically viable" become synonymous with "lowest possible cost"?
Governor Patrick and Secretary Bowles must have published a new dictionary.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Alliance sues CZM, seeks to stop Cape Wind from moving forward
In response to: Alliance sues CZM, seeks to stop Cape Wind from moving forward
Face it Carl:
'Even rich NIMBYs can't afford Cape Wind's energy'
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news
/2009/02/05/2400385-even-rich-nimbys-cant-afford-cape-winds-energy
EPA Cape Wind FEIS comments 2/17/09:
"We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable. The discussion of economic viability provided in the FEIS in Section 3.2.1.2. is the same as the DEIS, Section 3.2.1.2. of the FEIS states that the site of the proposed action in Nantucket Sound “has the greatest potential”. In addition, the information contained in the Economic Model in Appendix F remains unchanged.”
Appendix F:
“Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET AND THIS IS AFTER THE FULL BENEFIT OF TAX AND RPS INCENTIVES, the prospects of entering a long-term purchase power contract would seem low.”
'Even rich NIMBYs can't afford Cape Wind's energy'
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news
/2009/02/05/2400385-even-rich-nimbys-cant-afford-cape-winds-energy
EPA Cape Wind FEIS comments 2/17/09:
"We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable. The discussion of economic viability provided in the FEIS in Section 3.2.1.2. is the same as the DEIS, Section 3.2.1.2. of the FEIS states that the site of the proposed action in Nantucket Sound “has the greatest potential”. In addition, the information contained in the Economic Model in Appendix F remains unchanged.”
Appendix F:
“Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET AND THIS IS AFTER THE FULL BENEFIT OF TAX AND RPS INCENTIVES, the prospects of entering a long-term purchase power contract would seem low.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Dollars for Deceit and Disaster
In response to: Dollars for Deceit and Disaster
"We looked at the portfolio -- we've got gas, we've got oil, and we've got coal," Gordon says, drumming his desk for emphasis. "But we don't have renewable energy."
http://www.rediff.com/money/
2007/jul/21spec.htm
EPA 2/17/09 FEIS comments:
“We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable.”
"In addition, the information contained in the Economic Model in Appendix F remains unchanged.”
Appendix F:
“Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET AND THIS IS AFTER THE FULL BENEFIT OF TAX AND RPS INCENTIVES, the prospects of entering a long-term purchase power contract would seem low.”
The economical future is twice the price with Cape Wind, net, net, net.
http://www.rediff.com/money/
2007/jul/21spec.htm
EPA 2/17/09 FEIS comments:
“We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable.”
"In addition, the information contained in the Economic Model in Appendix F remains unchanged.”
Appendix F:
“Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET AND THIS IS AFTER THE FULL BENEFIT OF TAX AND RPS INCENTIVES, the prospects of entering a long-term purchase power contract would seem low.”
The economical future is twice the price with Cape Wind, net, net, net.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Alliance sues CZM, seeks to stop Cape Wind from moving forward
In response to: Alliance sues CZM, seeks to stop Cape Wind from moving forward
Gonzo:
"What's their answer concerning a hurricane riping thru those monopoles?"
"TIMBER!!!"
Ira Ehrenpreis, general partner, Technology Partners, and conference chairman of Clean Tech Investor Summit held in January, states:
"Clean tech is all about the green, not the environment," he said."
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/02/venture-capitalists-money-is-tight-
in-the-green-sector
Cape Wind, according to MMS and EPA, is “not economically viable” but will require between $.058 to $3.90 billion for ISO New England transmission infrastructure upgrades according to DOE.
http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/ems
/reports/lbnl-1471e.pdf
"What's their answer concerning a hurricane riping thru those monopoles?"
"TIMBER!!!"
Ira Ehrenpreis, general partner, Technology Partners, and conference chairman of Clean Tech Investor Summit held in January, states:
"Clean tech is all about the green, not the environment," he said."
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/02/venture-capitalists-money-is-tight-
in-the-green-sector
Cape Wind, according to MMS and EPA, is “not economically viable” but will require between $.058 to $3.90 billion for ISO New England transmission infrastructure upgrades according to DOE.
http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/ems
/reports/lbnl-1471e.pdf
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind waits for crucial record of decision
In response to: Cape Wind waits for crucial record of decision
"minimal socio-economic or environmental impacts"
EPA FEIS comments:
“We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable.”
"In addition, the information contained in the Economic Model in Appendix F remains unchanged.”
Which remains...
"Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET..."
USFWS 4/21/08
"The current framework that MMS is proposing would forgo refinement of pre-construction study protocols and set in motion an adaptive management process that would be doomed to failure because effective techniques to perform post-construction monitoring simply do not exist."
EPA FEIS comments:
“We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable.”
"In addition, the information contained in the Economic Model in Appendix F remains unchanged.”
Which remains...
"Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET..."
USFWS 4/21/08
"The current framework that MMS is proposing would forgo refinement of pre-construction study protocols and set in motion an adaptive management process that would be doomed to failure because effective techniques to perform post-construction monitoring simply do not exist."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Clan "On Alert" for Ted's condition; Is Vickie being groomed to succeed him?
In response to: Clan "On Alert" for Ted's condition; Is Vickie being groomed to succeed him?
My thoughts, well wishes and prayers are with Senator Kennedy and his family.
Agreed, Voiceofreason, I, too, consider it in poor taste for the editor to bloviate instead of exhibiting simple dignity and reverence regarding our ailing Senior Senator.
Agreed, Voiceofreason, I, too, consider it in poor taste for the editor to bloviate instead of exhibiting simple dignity and reverence regarding our ailing Senior Senator.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: "Sexting" teens suspended; FAA's "presumed hazard" for Cape Wind; 'Rockefeller' wants trial here; Coast Guard escorts New Bedford boat, NOAA team
In response to: "Sexting" teens suspended; FAA's "presumed hazard" for Cape Wind; 'Rockefeller' wants trial here; Coast Guard escorts New Bedford boat, NOAA team
I admit to being baffled that there are ratepayers begging to pay "twice" the current price of energy, only to appear in flight as clutter on a radar screen.
I think this is indicative of the level of toxicity of Cape Wind Kool-Aid.
Which side effects include the obliteration of independent thought as well as the elimination of the ability, of those under its influence, to arrive at a well reasoned conclusions.
MMS Cape Wind draft EIS states:
“Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET AND THIS IS AFTER THE FULL BENEFIT OF TAX AND RPS INCENTIVES, the prospects of entering a long-term purchase power contract would seem low.”
I think this is indicative of the level of toxicity of Cape Wind Kool-Aid.
Which side effects include the obliteration of independent thought as well as the elimination of the ability, of those under its influence, to arrive at a well reasoned conclusions.
MMS Cape Wind draft EIS states:
“Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET AND THIS IS AFTER THE FULL BENEFIT OF TAX AND RPS INCENTIVES, the prospects of entering a long-term purchase power contract would seem low.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: "Sexting" teens suspended; FAA's "presumed hazard" for Cape Wind; 'Rockefeller' wants trial here; Coast Guard escorts New Bedford boat, NOAA team
In response to: "Sexting" teens suspended; FAA's "presumed hazard" for Cape Wind; 'Rockefeller' wants trial here; Coast Guard escorts New Bedford boat, NOAA team
Cape Cod Today headlines: 'FAA finds Cape Wind project would cause radar interference' "Radar upgrade can fix the "presumed hazard"
Boston Globe reports $1.7 million "might" help. Mark Rodgers hasn't committed to this expenditure. As with all Cape Wind costs, that radar system $1.7 upgrade, that the FAA is not certain will actually provide remedy, could result in an additional $12 to $15 million cost for a new radar systems.
Cape Wind would pass these costs on to taxpayers as well as ratepayers, if ratepayers agree to pay twice the price for Cape Wind energy. And, then would comes the next Cape Wind sticker shock. Cape Wind transmission infrastructure upgrades are projected to cost $3.90 billion (high) to (low) $0.58 billion.
Boston Globe today reports: "The agency said an upgrade to the radar facility at Otis Air Force Base that would cost about $1.7 million might help. If that is insufficient, then a completely new system at Otis costing $12 million to $15 million would be needed, it said. Mark Rodgers, spokesman for Cape Wind, had no comment on whether the company would be willing to pay for the new equipment."
Boston Globe reports $1.7 million "might" help. Mark Rodgers hasn't committed to this expenditure. As with all Cape Wind costs, that radar system $1.7 upgrade, that the FAA is not certain will actually provide remedy, could result in an additional $12 to $15 million cost for a new radar systems.
Cape Wind would pass these costs on to taxpayers as well as ratepayers, if ratepayers agree to pay twice the price for Cape Wind energy. And, then would comes the next Cape Wind sticker shock. Cape Wind transmission infrastructure upgrades are projected to cost $3.90 billion (high) to (low) $0.58 billion.
Boston Globe today reports: "The agency said an upgrade to the radar facility at Otis Air Force Base that would cost about $1.7 million might help. If that is insufficient, then a completely new system at Otis costing $12 million to $15 million would be needed, it said. Mark Rodgers, spokesman for Cape Wind, had no comment on whether the company would be willing to pay for the new equipment."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Salazar: Renewable energy offers 'huge potential' along Atlantic Coast
In response to: Salazar: Renewable energy offers 'huge potential' along Atlantic Coast
Awayfromthebay:
Do you comprehend that Bill Koch's quotes identify the wind developer and industry as the sole beneficiaries, and the taxpayers and ratepayers as the losers burdened with excessive costs, but no real value?
Or is it your hope that others will not?
Is it your intent to make Bill Koch appear as someone you wouldn't want to hang around with; or to establish that Cape Wind would extend benefits to ratepayers and taxpayers?
If it's the latter, I think you've crashed and burned.
"green is green" is code for: "It doesn't matter if the public receives benefits; so long as laws favor developers and industry at the expense of the public and the environment."
Do you comprehend that Bill Koch's quotes identify the wind developer and industry as the sole beneficiaries, and the taxpayers and ratepayers as the losers burdened with excessive costs, but no real value?
Or is it your hope that others will not?
Is it your intent to make Bill Koch appear as someone you wouldn't want to hang around with; or to establish that Cape Wind would extend benefits to ratepayers and taxpayers?
If it's the latter, I think you've crashed and burned.
"green is green" is code for: "It doesn't matter if the public receives benefits; so long as laws favor developers and industry at the expense of the public and the environment."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Salazar: Renewable energy offers 'huge potential' along Atlantic Coast
In response to: Salazar: Renewable energy offers 'huge potential' along Atlantic Coast
“We’re both greedy capitalists,” Koch said. “I’m just calling him a bigger one. Government subsidies cause businesses to be run inefficiently because they rely on the subsidies to stay afloat,” Koch said. “The deal is a good one for Gordon, but a lousy deal for the people of Massachusetts.” Oct 13, 2005 The Inquirer and Mirror
World's largest wind turbine manufacturer Vestas President and CEO Ditlev Engle stated of the Cape Wind project proposal to Boston Globe's Erin Ailworth:
"And, therefore, I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it’s twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, “Why?”
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/09/21/the_answers_to_him_are_blowing_in_the_wind/
World's largest wind turbine manufacturer Vestas President and CEO Ditlev Engle stated of the Cape Wind project proposal to Boston Globe's Erin Ailworth:
"And, therefore, I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it’s twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, “Why?”
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/09/21/the_answers_to_him_are_blowing_in_the_wind/
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Salazar: Renewable energy offers 'huge potential' along Atlantic Coast
In response to: Salazar: Renewable energy offers 'huge potential' along Atlantic Coast
"We looked at the portfolio -- we've got gas, we've got oil, and we've got coal," Gordon says, drumming his desk for emphasis. "But we don't have renewable energy."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cuisinart of the crazies
In response to: Cuisinart of the crazies
"Dear Mr. Economou,
Your conjectures and statements in your letter to the Providence Journal September 17, 2008 about wind farms and bird collisions are unfortunately incorrect.
1) The mortality at Altamont Pass has increased with larger, modern turbines, not decreased. The 2007 report for the California Energy Commission by the industry confirms this. Efforts to reduce mortality to conform with the agreements made with Alameda County have not been successful. The research biologist Shawn Smallwood at Davis, CA has an enormous amount of data and several published papers..."
"I appreciate the dialog about wind projects and birds, but I would like to see much greater accuracy, rather than repeating the statements of those who have a vested interest in minimizing the problem.
Thanks very much, and correspond any time,
Michael Fry
Director of Conservation Advocacy
American Bird Conservancy
1731 Connecticut Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20009"
Your conjectures and statements in your letter to the Providence Journal September 17, 2008 about wind farms and bird collisions are unfortunately incorrect.
1) The mortality at Altamont Pass has increased with larger, modern turbines, not decreased. The 2007 report for the California Energy Commission by the industry confirms this. Efforts to reduce mortality to conform with the agreements made with Alameda County have not been successful. The research biologist Shawn Smallwood at Davis, CA has an enormous amount of data and several published papers..."
"I appreciate the dialog about wind projects and birds, but I would like to see much greater accuracy, rather than repeating the statements of those who have a vested interest in minimizing the problem.
Thanks very much, and correspond any time,
Michael Fry
Director of Conservation Advocacy
American Bird Conservancy
1731 Connecticut Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20009"
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cuisinart of the crazies
In response to: Cuisinart of the crazies
Mark Duchamp of 9/21/08
"The expression "Cuisinarts of the air" was applied to wind turbines in the May 1998 issue of USA Today, copy enclosed, second page : "it was a California Sierra Club official who labeled wind towers "the Cuisinarts of the air"
"Mr Economou likes to use the argument that it is all right to kill birds with windfarms and their power lines because buildings and windows kill more of them. With arguments like these Silent Spring will become a reality earlier than we thought. Let's remember that MA Audubon had predicted that up to 6,600 birds may be killed by the Nantucket Sound project, each year. That was before a lucrative deal was hammered out with Cape Wind to monitor the project for bird collisions. MA Audubon is now bullish on the project - see: www.iberica2000.org/Es/Articulo.asp?Id=3686 "
Michael Fry Director of Conservation Advocacy American Bird Conservancy to Solon 9/18/08:
"Your conjectures and statements in your letter to the Providence Journal September 17, 2008 about wind farms and bird collisions are unfortunately incorrect."
"The expression "Cuisinarts of the air" was applied to wind turbines in the May 1998 issue of USA Today, copy enclosed, second page : "it was a California Sierra Club official who labeled wind towers "the Cuisinarts of the air"
"Mr Economou likes to use the argument that it is all right to kill birds with windfarms and their power lines because buildings and windows kill more of them. With arguments like these Silent Spring will become a reality earlier than we thought. Let's remember that MA Audubon had predicted that up to 6,600 birds may be killed by the Nantucket Sound project, each year. That was before a lucrative deal was hammered out with Cape Wind to monitor the project for bird collisions. MA Audubon is now bullish on the project - see: www.iberica2000.org/Es/Articulo.asp?Id=3686 "
Michael Fry Director of Conservation Advocacy American Bird Conservancy to Solon 9/18/08:
"Your conjectures and statements in your letter to the Providence Journal September 17, 2008 about wind farms and bird collisions are unfortunately incorrect."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Down to the wire for Cape Wind
In response to: Down to the wire for Cape Wind
Yes, excapeer, you are correct. This is the very same OIG investigative team that proved that Julie McDonald of the Department of Interior was srubbing key scientific documents related to the Endangered Species Act that has expanded the scope of their investigation.
And, they always get their man.
And, they always get their man.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Down to the wire for Cape Wind
In response to: Down to the wire for Cape Wind
Heads up, Wendy, the Office of the Inspector General ongoing investigation is not limited to MMS and the oil and gas industry.
Stay tuned.
Au Contraire, Wendy, the U.S. Coast Guard has not made it clear that the effect of wind turbines on marine radar would be minimal. As evidenced by Chairman Oberstar’s entry.
Stay tuned.
Chairman of Transportation and Infrastructure Oberstar may just be interested in doing his job as was his predecessor, the only licensed mariner in Congress, Don Young,
The assurance of an acceptable risk to navigational safety if Cape Wind is permitted and constructed is the responsibility that MMS shares with U.S Coast Guard.
Your political conspiracy theories, just like the theories put forth in your book, provide no more than obfuscation. Parroting Cape Wind propaganda to an audience you underestimate as does Cape Wind reflects poorly on this project and proponents.
WE know Cape Wind does not wish to address project economics, and why.
WE know the best outcome is for Cape Wind to fall into the black hole, and why.
Stay tuned.
Au Contraire, Wendy, the U.S. Coast Guard has not made it clear that the effect of wind turbines on marine radar would be minimal. As evidenced by Chairman Oberstar’s entry.
Stay tuned.
Chairman of Transportation and Infrastructure Oberstar may just be interested in doing his job as was his predecessor, the only licensed mariner in Congress, Don Young,
The assurance of an acceptable risk to navigational safety if Cape Wind is permitted and constructed is the responsibility that MMS shares with U.S Coast Guard.
Your political conspiracy theories, just like the theories put forth in your book, provide no more than obfuscation. Parroting Cape Wind propaganda to an audience you underestimate as does Cape Wind reflects poorly on this project and proponents.
WE know Cape Wind does not wish to address project economics, and why.
WE know the best outcome is for Cape Wind to fall into the black hole, and why.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: DEP approves Cape Wind's waterways application
In response to: DEP approves Cape Wind's waterways application
Dorsal,
I quote snippets from articles due to word limitations.
Intermittent and unreliable wind energy is an "add on" that requires back-up from conventional energy plants.
I don't argue against the omission of toxins. Caveat emptor: Wind energy comes from wind turbines that come from factories that spew toxins. Transporting wind turbines requires trucks and vessels that spew more of the same. Add required back-up fossil fuel, and you're back pedaling. And, at double the current price for unreliable energy, you have in the effect, very expensive and efficient bird killing machines. As proposed for NS, they're industry killing machines, and ugly threats to public safety.
I'm not paid. I'm outraged.
My motivation? To help prevent the next Halliburton or Enron by systematic exposure of the overstated benefits and understated risks associated with wind energy.
Happy Holidays!
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/27692829.html
http://www.countryguardian.net/Case%20Intermittency.htm
http://www.cps.org.uk/cpsfile.asp?id=1026%20
I quote snippets from articles due to word limitations.
Intermittent and unreliable wind energy is an "add on" that requires back-up from conventional energy plants.
I don't argue against the omission of toxins. Caveat emptor: Wind energy comes from wind turbines that come from factories that spew toxins. Transporting wind turbines requires trucks and vessels that spew more of the same. Add required back-up fossil fuel, and you're back pedaling. And, at double the current price for unreliable energy, you have in the effect, very expensive and efficient bird killing machines. As proposed for NS, they're industry killing machines, and ugly threats to public safety.
I'm not paid. I'm outraged.
My motivation? To help prevent the next Halliburton or Enron by systematic exposure of the overstated benefits and understated risks associated with wind energy.
Happy Holidays!
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/27692829.html
http://www.countryguardian.net/Case%20Intermittency.htm
http://www.cps.org.uk/cpsfile.asp?id=1026%20
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: DEP approves Cape Wind's waterways application
In response to: DEP approves Cape Wind's waterways application
Neil Good,
Judge Kane, in not dismissing the suit against Cape Wind, has acted in the PUBLIC interest.
The DEP, however, has made an uninformed decision in the interest of Cape Wind.
Telegraph UK
Dec 21, 2008
'Promoters overstated the environmental benefit of wind farms'
"The British Wind Energy Association (BWEA) has agreed to scale down its calculation for the amount of harmful carbon dioxide emission that can be eliminated by using wind turbines to generate electricity instead of burning fossil fuels such as coal or gas.
The move is a serious setback for the advocates of wind power, as it will be regarded as a concession that twice as many wind turbines as previously calculated will be needed to provide the same degree of reduction in Britain's carbon emissions."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/3867232/Promoters-overstated-the-environmental-benefit-of-wind-farms.html
It's your turn, Cape Cod Today :)
Judge Kane, in not dismissing the suit against Cape Wind, has acted in the PUBLIC interest.
The DEP, however, has made an uninformed decision in the interest of Cape Wind.
Telegraph UK
Dec 21, 2008
'Promoters overstated the environmental benefit of wind farms'
"The British Wind Energy Association (BWEA) has agreed to scale down its calculation for the amount of harmful carbon dioxide emission that can be eliminated by using wind turbines to generate electricity instead of burning fossil fuels such as coal or gas.
The move is a serious setback for the advocates of wind power, as it will be regarded as a concession that twice as many wind turbines as previously calculated will be needed to provide the same degree of reduction in Britain's carbon emissions."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/3867232/Promoters-overstated-the-environmental-benefit-of-wind-farms.html
It's your turn, Cape Cod Today :)
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Senate Energy Committee: Release Cape Wind impact statement now
In response to: Senate Energy Committee: Release Cape Wind impact statement now
He's baaacck...
"Carefully crafted and written in seamless legislative language, the provision exempted the Cape Wind project from competitive bidding requirements that would apply to all other projects like it, once the bill became law. The special interest language, which was added to the bill after it had been approved by the House but before it was voted on by the Senate, saw no public hearings and virtually no debate. The amendment was authored by Sen. Pete V. Domenici, chairman of the Senate Natural Resources and Energy Committee."
http://www.mvgazette.com/news/
2006/04/21/wind_farm_favored.php
The Sierra Club was once an environmental organization, but they are now a religious sect.
A message to James McCaffrey:
http://video.google.fr/videoplay
?docid=-4123082535546754758
"Carefully crafted and written in seamless legislative language, the provision exempted the Cape Wind project from competitive bidding requirements that would apply to all other projects like it, once the bill became law. The special interest language, which was added to the bill after it had been approved by the House but before it was voted on by the Senate, saw no public hearings and virtually no debate. The amendment was authored by Sen. Pete V. Domenici, chairman of the Senate Natural Resources and Energy Committee."
http://www.mvgazette.com/news/
2006/04/21/wind_farm_favored.php
The Sierra Club was once an environmental organization, but they are now a religious sect.
A message to James McCaffrey:
http://video.google.fr/videoplay
?docid=-4123082535546754758
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Big-money donors help bankroll Alliance's wind farm fight
In response to: Big-money donors help bankroll Alliance's wind farm fight
Cape Wind is an Limited Liability Company making promises.
"At the time Weiss entered the lease agreement with Gordon and Jacobs, Weiss admitted that he was familiar with the function of and implication of dealing with a limited liability company. Id at 146-148. Furthermore, Weiss knew that neither Jacobs nor Gordon would personally guarantee the lease agreement, despite the request of Weiss's attorneys."
"In this case, many of the alleged misrepresentations made by Defendants were in fact promises of future acts."
http://www.courts.ri.gov/
superior/pdf/02-1794.pdf
http://www.power-technology.com/projects/tiverton/
"At the time Weiss entered the lease agreement with Gordon and Jacobs, Weiss admitted that he was familiar with the function of and implication of dealing with a limited liability company. Id at 146-148. Furthermore, Weiss knew that neither Jacobs nor Gordon would personally guarantee the lease agreement, despite the request of Weiss's attorneys."
"In this case, many of the alleged misrepresentations made by Defendants were in fact promises of future acts."
http://www.courts.ri.gov/
superior/pdf/02-1794.pdf
http://www.power-technology.com/projects/tiverton/
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Big-money donors help bankroll Alliance's wind farm fight
In response to: Big-money donors help bankroll Alliance's wind farm fight
The Alliance to Protect...Property Values, Public Rights, Public Trust, Ratepayers, Taxpayers, Sacred Land, Endangered Species, Historic Treasures, Navigational Safety, Air Traffic Safety, Scenic Beauty, A Way of Life, Quiet Enjoyment...
Thank You, APNS and donors, for your advocacy and continuing protection of these and more cherished values!
Thank You, APNS and donors, for your advocacy and continuing protection of these and more cherished values!
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Glenn Wattley's anti-Cape Wind mission
In response to: Glenn Wattley's anti-Cape Wind mission
As you well know, Christy, the devil exists in the details. The facts do not support Cape Wind.
'Overblown: The Real Cost of Wind Power'
“A “load factor” of just over 30 percent is recommended for a wind farm to be economically viable. However, many of Britain 's onshore farms have been running at around 20 percent, with some in urban areas dropping as low as 9 percent. Oswald believes that overly relying on wind power will result in major power failures across the U.K. and an increase of up to 50 percent in electricity bills. While nothing comes close to the capricious aspect of nature itself, the industry also still suffers from some severe technical difficulties.”
World's largest turbine manufacturer Vestas' chief states offshore wind is twice as expensive as onshore, the topic of this article.
Offshore wind is then twice the cost of of onshore wind energy that's 50% more expensive-before public subsidies.
"Severe technical difficulties" are very expensive to acquire.
http://www.energytribune.com/
articles.cfm?aid=842
'Overblown: The Real Cost of Wind Power'
“A “load factor” of just over 30 percent is recommended for a wind farm to be economically viable. However, many of Britain 's onshore farms have been running at around 20 percent, with some in urban areas dropping as low as 9 percent. Oswald believes that overly relying on wind power will result in major power failures across the U.K. and an increase of up to 50 percent in electricity bills. While nothing comes close to the capricious aspect of nature itself, the industry also still suffers from some severe technical difficulties.”
World's largest turbine manufacturer Vestas' chief states offshore wind is twice as expensive as onshore, the topic of this article.
Offshore wind is then twice the cost of of onshore wind energy that's 50% more expensive-before public subsidies.
"Severe technical difficulties" are very expensive to acquire.
http://www.energytribune.com/
articles.cfm?aid=842
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind hearing examines differing cable reviews
In response to: Cape Wind hearing examines differing cable reviews
"The Siting Board's primary mandate is to implement the provisions of the Siting statue "so as to provide a reliable energy supply for the commonwealth with a minimum impact on the environment a the lowest possible cost. G.L. c. 164, § 69H."
http://pawalaw.com/assets/docs/
jurisdiction-072808.pdf
UK Telegraph
'Wind farms fail to deliver value for money, report claims'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2910739/
Wind-farms-fail-to-deliver-value-for-money-report-claims.html
Reuters
‘California study shows high cost of renewable power’
“While renewable power one day may compete with baseload power sources such as natural gas, coal and nuclear, it currently is more costly, and much less dependable.”
http://in.reuters.com/article/
governmentFilingsNews/idINN06
29356520081107?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
http://pawalaw.com/assets/docs/
jurisdiction-072808.pdf
UK Telegraph
'Wind farms fail to deliver value for money, report claims'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2910739/
Wind-farms-fail-to-deliver-value-for-money-report-claims.html
Reuters
‘California study shows high cost of renewable power’
“While renewable power one day may compete with baseload power sources such as natural gas, coal and nuclear, it currently is more costly, and much less dependable.”
http://in.reuters.com/article/
governmentFilingsNews/idINN06
29356520081107?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Glenn Wattley's anti-Cape Wind mission
In response to: Glenn Wattley's anti-Cape Wind mission
Mr. Wattley is in touch with realities. Cape Wind would produce energy at double the current cost AND require public subsidies; if Cape Wind could secure wind turbines, (to kill birds as a navigational safety hazard).
That Mark Rodgers op-ed doesn't address the bottom line is understandable and transparent.
Unless you're a voter from Hingham who subscribes to the Boston Globe.
Informed decisions can't be made by misinformed voters.
Between Wattley and Rodgers, one stands to gain by misinformation and obfuscation.
And it's not Mr. Wattley.
That Mark Rodgers op-ed doesn't address the bottom line is understandable and transparent.
Unless you're a voter from Hingham who subscribes to the Boston Globe.
Informed decisions can't be made by misinformed voters.
Between Wattley and Rodgers, one stands to gain by misinformation and obfuscation.
And it's not Mr. Wattley.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Siting board opens hearing on Cape Wind permit request
In response to: Siting board opens hearing on Cape Wind permit request
Cape Crusader:
Peter is correct. Clipper Wind has their own problems:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liNIqYNHRXE&NR=1
"Sedor previously ruled that the hearing would focus on the transmission lines from the wind farm,"
So Sedor ruled that applicable law is not applicable?
"The board shall make its decision in writing and shall include therein its findings and opinions with respect to the following: (i) the compatibility of the generating facility with considerations of environmental protection, public health, and public safety; (ii) the extent to which construction and operation of the generating facility will fail to conform with existing state and local laws, ordinances, by-laws, rules, and regulations and reasonableness of exemption thereunder, if any, consistent with the implementation of the energy policies contained in this chapter; and (iii) the public interest or convenience requiring construction and operation of the generating facility."
Peter is correct. Clipper Wind has their own problems:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liNIqYNHRXE&NR=1
"Sedor previously ruled that the hearing would focus on the transmission lines from the wind farm,"
So Sedor ruled that applicable law is not applicable?
"The board shall make its decision in writing and shall include therein its findings and opinions with respect to the following: (i) the compatibility of the generating facility with considerations of environmental protection, public health, and public safety; (ii) the extent to which construction and operation of the generating facility will fail to conform with existing state and local laws, ordinances, by-laws, rules, and regulations and reasonableness of exemption thereunder, if any, consistent with the implementation of the energy policies contained in this chapter; and (iii) the public interest or convenience requiring construction and operation of the generating facility."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Chapter 91 hearing set for Cape Wind
In response to: Chapter 91 hearing set for Cape Wind
Cape Wind has represented their project will use GE 3.6 MW "discontinued" wind turbines.
Mark states Cape Wind is looking at Vestas and Seimens.
Siemens states they're booked out to 2011 with their 3.6; and they only intend to supply onshore wind turbines to the US.
Vestas CEO states on Cape Wind to the Globe:
"And, therefore, I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it’s twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, “Why?”
Rodney's pointing his finger at USACE
claiming that the GE 3.6 was represented "before 2005", (CCTime's).
But, GE 3.6 MW representation is under Rodney's watch in the MMS draft EIS.
Rodney Cluck must know Earl Devaney who called DOI, in his OIG investigation of MMS, "a culture of ethical failure".
Mark states Cape Wind is looking at Vestas and Seimens.
Siemens states they're booked out to 2011 with their 3.6; and they only intend to supply onshore wind turbines to the US.
Vestas CEO states on Cape Wind to the Globe:
"And, therefore, I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it’s twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, “Why?”
Rodney's pointing his finger at USACE
claiming that the GE 3.6 was represented "before 2005", (CCTime's).
But, GE 3.6 MW representation is under Rodney's watch in the MMS draft EIS.
Rodney Cluck must know Earl Devaney who called DOI, in his OIG investigation of MMS, "a culture of ethical failure".
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Chapter 91 hearing set for Cape Wind
In response to: Chapter 91 hearing set for Cape Wind
Stephen Peckham.
Which one of your Cape Wind friends is telling the truth, Jim Gordon or Mark Rodgers?
Cape Cod Times Sept. '08
"Although no manufacturer has been chosen by Cape Wind, a 3.6-megawatt turbine made by Germany-based Siemens or a 3.0-megawatt turbine made by Denmark's Vestas are being considered, Rodgers said."
“GE Wind Energy is part of one of America’s most successful technology companies, and we’re delighted to have selected GE to provide the wind turbines for the Cape Wind project.” said Jim Gordon, president of Energy Management, Inc."
http://www.gepower.com/about/press/en/2003_press/012103.htm
Which one of your Cape Wind friends is telling the truth, Jim Gordon or Mark Rodgers?
Cape Cod Times Sept. '08
"Although no manufacturer has been chosen by Cape Wind, a 3.6-megawatt turbine made by Germany-based Siemens or a 3.0-megawatt turbine made by Denmark's Vestas are being considered, Rodgers said."
“GE Wind Energy is part of one of America’s most successful technology companies, and we’re delighted to have selected GE to provide the wind turbines for the Cape Wind project.” said Jim Gordon, president of Energy Management, Inc."
http://www.gepower.com/about/press/en/2003_press/012103.htm
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Chapter 91 hearing set for Cape Wind
In response to: Chapter 91 hearing set for Cape Wind
Chapter 91 Waterway and Public Protection Act is one of the Commonwealth's oldest and most significant laws that poses a problem for Cape Wind as a "non-water" dependent project.
This is a serious "slight of hand" "reclassification" to "water dependent" by DEP in the middle of this project review. The DEP is reclassifying this project to accommodate a private developer at the expense of the public and the environment due protections under Chapter 91.
The DEP is attempting to rewrite Cape Wind project review history:
"Does the Department consider an underwater cable as being water dependent?"
"(DEP) If it qualifies as an infrastructure crossing facility and the Secretary determines that there is not an alternative, then it’s water dependent. But we determined that it’s not water dependent because it is not bank to bank."
CERTIFICATE OF THE SECRETARY OF ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL NOTIFICATION FORM
"DEP must consider an infrastructure crossing to be non-water dependent (and thus categorically prohibited) under the Waterways Regulations..."
This is a serious "slight of hand" "reclassification" to "water dependent" by DEP in the middle of this project review. The DEP is reclassifying this project to accommodate a private developer at the expense of the public and the environment due protections under Chapter 91.
The DEP is attempting to rewrite Cape Wind project review history:
"Does the Department consider an underwater cable as being water dependent?"
"(DEP) If it qualifies as an infrastructure crossing facility and the Secretary determines that there is not an alternative, then it’s water dependent. But we determined that it’s not water dependent because it is not bank to bank."
CERTIFICATE OF THE SECRETARY OF ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL NOTIFICATION FORM
"DEP must consider an infrastructure crossing to be non-water dependent (and thus categorically prohibited) under the Waterways Regulations..."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: It is not always lovely weather for ducks
In response to: It is not always lovely weather for ducks
"The mortality at Altamont Pass has increased with larger, modern turbines, not decreased. The 2007 report for the California Energy Commission by the industry confirms this. Efforts to reduce mortality to conform with the agreements made with Alameda County have not been successful."
Michael Fry
Director of Conservation Advocacy
American Bird Conservancy (9/19/2008)
"Let's remember that MA Audubon had predicted that up to 6,600 birds may be killed by the Nantucket Sound project, each year. That was before a lucrative deal was hammered out with Cape Wind to monitor the project for bird collisions. MA Audubon is now bullish on the project - see": www.iberica2000.org/Es/
Articulo.asp?Id=3686
Mark Duchamp
Birds & Windfarms Research Manager
Iberica 2000
Partida La Sella, 25
03750 Pedreguer, Spain
"Ian Nisbet pointed out that roseate and common terns feed, breed, and rest at locations all around the Sound from April through mid-October."
Where are the roseate terns?
http://yeoldeconsciousnessshoppe.
com/art185.html
Michael Fry
Director of Conservation Advocacy
American Bird Conservancy (9/19/2008)
"Let's remember that MA Audubon had predicted that up to 6,600 birds may be killed by the Nantucket Sound project, each year. That was before a lucrative deal was hammered out with Cape Wind to monitor the project for bird collisions. MA Audubon is now bullish on the project - see": www.iberica2000.org/Es/
Articulo.asp?Id=3686
Mark Duchamp
Birds & Windfarms Research Manager
Iberica 2000
Partida La Sella, 25
03750 Pedreguer, Spain
"Ian Nisbet pointed out that roseate and common terns feed, breed, and rest at locations all around the Sound from April through mid-October."
Where are the roseate terns?
http://yeoldeconsciousnessshoppe.
com/art185.html
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Coast Guard plans wind farm radar study
In response to: Coast Guard plans wind farm radar study
Brillant recap, Peter. I appreciate your comparison of credentials and punctuation on whose information is bought and whose was not. Is it any wonder why the pompous Captain "turn down the gain" Barber visibly shrank when challenged by both Dr. Brookner and Dennis Picard?
You would think that 440' wind turbines would be easy to find, but, it's a wind turbine sellers' market. Turbine-less Cape Wind is tarnished as the internationally identified poster NIMBY project. They don't have financing, or a Power Purchase Agreement. How attractive to manufacturers is this Cape Wind "buyer" that has failed to perform, for 8 years running, to either of the two companies making offshore wind turbines?
Actually, Vestas is calling for a return to shore due to the high cost of offshore wind. So, Siemans is the only other potential turbine source, as far as I know, as GE 3.6 3.6 MW is "discontinued".
Hi Maverick :) As far as I know, Cape Wind's only paid consultant present, beyond Conservation Law Foundation, was the silenced Captain Barber.
You would think that 440' wind turbines would be easy to find, but, it's a wind turbine sellers' market. Turbine-less Cape Wind is tarnished as the internationally identified poster NIMBY project. They don't have financing, or a Power Purchase Agreement. How attractive to manufacturers is this Cape Wind "buyer" that has failed to perform, for 8 years running, to either of the two companies making offshore wind turbines?
Actually, Vestas is calling for a return to shore due to the high cost of offshore wind. So, Siemans is the only other potential turbine source, as far as I know, as GE 3.6 3.6 MW is "discontinued".
Hi Maverick :) As far as I know, Cape Wind's only paid consultant present, beyond Conservation Law Foundation, was the silenced Captain Barber.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Coast Guard plans wind farm radar study
In response to: Coast Guard plans wind farm radar study
Agreed, excaper. I was present and Jim Kinsella deserves a hats off for balanced reporting.
Cape Wind consultant Captain Dennis Barber became combative when his statements were challenged by radar expert, Dr. Eli Brookner.
When Barber provided a visual of Kentish Flats radar, local fishing boat Captain Ed Barrett noted the image indicated possible vessels were in the study area that Barber was not able to readily explain or identify.
Captain Barrett subsequently challenged the science of the Kentish Flats study calling Barber's evidence "anecdotal".
Captain Barber then fell silent, and barely uttered a word during the last half of the workshop.
Cape Wind consultant Captain Dennis Barber became combative when his statements were challenged by radar expert, Dr. Eli Brookner.
When Barber provided a visual of Kentish Flats radar, local fishing boat Captain Ed Barrett noted the image indicated possible vessels were in the study area that Barber was not able to readily explain or identify.
Captain Barrett subsequently challenged the science of the Kentish Flats study calling Barber's evidence "anecdotal".
Captain Barber then fell silent, and barely uttered a word during the last half of the workshop.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind seeks single, composite permit for remaining state requirements
In response to: Cape Wind seeks single, composite permit for remaining state requirements
Stephen,
I fully support turbine-less Cape Wind that presents no threat to Nantucket Sound's navigators, fishermen, recreational users, air travelers, marine life, birds, historic integrity, scenic beauty, ratepayers and taxpayers.
Bloomberg
‘Wind Turbine Makers Face `Challenge' on Equipment (Update1)’
By Angela Macdonald-Smith
“Oct. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Wind turbine makers face a ``major challenge'' getting equipment due to surging demand and probably won't be able to cut delivery times for three years, said Suzlon Energy Ltd., India's biggest wind farm construction company.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid
=ao0W09ju3Yxw&refer=india
Wall Street Journal reported on July 1, 2008:
"Suzlon Energy Ltd are facing mounting mechanical problems."
http://www.livemint.com/2008/07/
01003655/Suzlon8217s-US-wind-turbine.html
I fully support turbine-less Cape Wind that presents no threat to Nantucket Sound's navigators, fishermen, recreational users, air travelers, marine life, birds, historic integrity, scenic beauty, ratepayers and taxpayers.
Bloomberg
‘Wind Turbine Makers Face `Challenge' on Equipment (Update1)’
By Angela Macdonald-Smith
“Oct. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Wind turbine makers face a ``major challenge'' getting equipment due to surging demand and probably won't be able to cut delivery times for three years, said Suzlon Energy Ltd., India's biggest wind farm construction company.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid
=ao0W09ju3Yxw&refer=india
Wall Street Journal reported on July 1, 2008:
"Suzlon Energy Ltd are facing mounting mechanical problems."
http://www.livemint.com/2008/07/
01003655/Suzlon8217s-US-wind-turbine.html
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind seeks single, composite permit for remaining state requirements
In response to: Cape Wind seeks single, composite permit for remaining state requirements
You're welcome, Maverick. Thank you for keeping them honest as always.
The Cape Cod Time’s article, ‘GE may change Cape Wind’s direction', contains statements by Rodney Cluck of MMS that appear strategically disingenuous. As example, Dr. Cluck confines Cape Wind's representation that GE will supply them with 3.6 MW wind turbines to "before 2005". Rodney stated that Cape Wind's representation was only made to the former lead federal regulator, USACE, and Massachusetts environmental officials.
Rodney Cluck must know that Cape Wind’s specifications of their use of GE 3.6 MW wind turbine is the focus of the 2008 MMS draft EIS; but he doesn't seem to want to accept responsibility as Cape Wind project manager for MMS; or for the waste of our taxpayer $$$.
Cape Wind Energy Project
Draft Environmental Impact Statement
January 2008
Bookmark 2.0 "Description of Proposed Action"
On Pages 69-70 Cape Wind identifies GE 3.6 MW wind turbines will be used.
http://www.mms.gov/offshore/
renewableenergy/DEIS/
Volume%20I%20-%20Cape%20Wind%20DEIS/Cape%20Wind%20DEIS.pdf
The Cape Cod Time’s article, ‘GE may change Cape Wind’s direction', contains statements by Rodney Cluck of MMS that appear strategically disingenuous. As example, Dr. Cluck confines Cape Wind's representation that GE will supply them with 3.6 MW wind turbines to "before 2005". Rodney stated that Cape Wind's representation was only made to the former lead federal regulator, USACE, and Massachusetts environmental officials.
Rodney Cluck must know that Cape Wind’s specifications of their use of GE 3.6 MW wind turbine is the focus of the 2008 MMS draft EIS; but he doesn't seem to want to accept responsibility as Cape Wind project manager for MMS; or for the waste of our taxpayer $$$.
Cape Wind Energy Project
Draft Environmental Impact Statement
January 2008
Bookmark 2.0 "Description of Proposed Action"
On Pages 69-70 Cape Wind identifies GE 3.6 MW wind turbines will be used.
http://www.mms.gov/offshore/
renewableenergy/DEIS/
Volume%20I%20-%20Cape%20Wind%20DEIS/Cape%20Wind%20DEIS.pdf
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind seeks single, composite permit for remaining state requirements
In response to: Cape Wind seeks single, composite permit for remaining state requirements
Subtitle:
'Cape Wind seeks to ramrod past local permit decision makers'
Seemingly oblivious to the skyrocketing cost of offshore wind, the fact that their project does not have a manufacturing source for its wind turbines, despite the failure of Lehman's as their financial advisor, and regardless of the fact that Cape Wind has not secured a Power Purchase Agreement to sell their expensive energy, Cape Wind seeks to ramrod past local permit decision makers.
'Cape Wind seeks to ramrod past local permit decision makers'
Seemingly oblivious to the skyrocketing cost of offshore wind, the fact that their project does not have a manufacturing source for its wind turbines, despite the failure of Lehman's as their financial advisor, and regardless of the fact that Cape Wind has not secured a Power Purchase Agreement to sell their expensive energy, Cape Wind seeks to ramrod past local permit decision makers.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Lynch Questions Carcieri's Offshore Wind Selection Process
In response to: Lynch Questions Carcieri's Offshore Wind Selection Process
What double standards...Cape Wind has never conducted a wind turbine installation. And, Cape Wind has a "no bid" deal as a project being considered outside of comprehensive policy; featuring the "discontinued" GE 3.6 MW wind turbine.
"Deepwater Wind is a five-month-old firm backed by Newton, Mass.-based wind-energy developer First Wind; investment firm D.E. Shaw & Co.; and hedge fund Ospraie Management LLC. (First Wind was previously known as UPC Wind, but changed its name in May.)"
http://www.pbn.com/stories/35343.html
Great pick!
"First Wind is under criminal investigation by NYS Attorney General Andrew Cuomo for allegations of improper dealings with public officials and anti-competitive practices."
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press
/2008/july/july15a_08.html
Wiseguys and shenanigans don't recognize state boundaries.
"Deepwater Wind is a five-month-old firm backed by Newton, Mass.-based wind-energy developer First Wind; investment firm D.E. Shaw & Co.; and hedge fund Ospraie Management LLC. (First Wind was previously known as UPC Wind, but changed its name in May.)"
http://www.pbn.com/stories/35343.html
Great pick!
"First Wind is under criminal investigation by NYS Attorney General Andrew Cuomo for allegations of improper dealings with public officials and anti-competitive practices."
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press
/2008/july/july15a_08.html
Wiseguys and shenanigans don't recognize state boundaries.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: The truth about wind turbines: Size matters
In response to: The truth about wind turbines: Size matters
Peter,
I'm in favor of a turbine-less Cape Wind.
The Principal Engineer of National Renewable Energy Laboratory NREL, Walter Musial, stated to audience of approximately 300 attendants, at the last week's AWEA conference, that GE 3.6 turbines are commercially inactive; and the last and only use was in 2003, at the GE demo project offshore Denmark, Arklow.
As is also represented on page 15 of this document forward under "Offshore Wind Turbine Suppliers".
http://tlc.usm.maine.edu
/2_Musial_Offshore%20renewables-UMaine-V2.pdf
GE 3.6 MW offshore wind turbine status:
"General Electric 3.6sl (discontinued). Capacity 3.6 MW, rotor diameter 111 m. Hub height 75 m (from Cape Wind design specs). Seven 3.6s units producing power offshore at Arklow Bank since June 2004. See product brochure for GE 3.6sl. Based on experience at Arklow, GE had a set of engineering modifications to make for serial production of an offshore machine, but the company has to date decided not to compete in this market."
http://www.ocean.udel.edu/
windpower/hardware.html
I'm in favor of a turbine-less Cape Wind.
The Principal Engineer of National Renewable Energy Laboratory NREL, Walter Musial, stated to audience of approximately 300 attendants, at the last week's AWEA conference, that GE 3.6 turbines are commercially inactive; and the last and only use was in 2003, at the GE demo project offshore Denmark, Arklow.
As is also represented on page 15 of this document forward under "Offshore Wind Turbine Suppliers".
http://tlc.usm.maine.edu
/2_Musial_Offshore%20renewables-UMaine-V2.pdf
GE 3.6 MW offshore wind turbine status:
"General Electric 3.6sl (discontinued). Capacity 3.6 MW, rotor diameter 111 m. Hub height 75 m (from Cape Wind design specs). Seven 3.6s units producing power offshore at Arklow Bank since June 2004. See product brochure for GE 3.6sl. Based on experience at Arklow, GE had a set of engineering modifications to make for serial production of an offshore machine, but the company has to date decided not to compete in this market."
http://www.ocean.udel.edu/
windpower/hardware.html
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Christy's launches its own gas discount
In response to: Christy's launches its own gas discount
I appreciate your willingness to engage and assist your neighbors, Christy. And, I applaud your position on the need for more transparency by Cape Wind.
As you mention the Cape Wind spec’d GE 3.6 MW wind turbine is discontinued. It’s important and relevant to note that there is an ongoing, for years, supply chain bottleneck of wind turbines and parts.
Cape Wind appears to be downplaying this serious problem. Or, perhaps they’re apathetic as it’s not going to be their serious problem for long.
Without wind turbines, Cape Wind can’t install an industrial scale wind facility in Nantucket Sound. While, Cape Wind still has an option without wind turbines.
If MMS determines that action be taken to build Cape Wind by permit grant, Cape Wind could flip the permitted project to the highest bidder. This scenario would encumber the next developer, with permit in hand, with the challenge of locating a manufacturing source for production of 130 offshore wind turbines.
As you mention the Cape Wind spec’d GE 3.6 MW wind turbine is discontinued. It’s important and relevant to note that there is an ongoing, for years, supply chain bottleneck of wind turbines and parts.
Cape Wind appears to be downplaying this serious problem. Or, perhaps they’re apathetic as it’s not going to be their serious problem for long.
Without wind turbines, Cape Wind can’t install an industrial scale wind facility in Nantucket Sound. While, Cape Wind still has an option without wind turbines.
If MMS determines that action be taken to build Cape Wind by permit grant, Cape Wind could flip the permitted project to the highest bidder. This scenario would encumber the next developer, with permit in hand, with the challenge of locating a manufacturing source for production of 130 offshore wind turbines.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Vestas chief sees untapped energy source here; Upper Tech Tech students reach out
In response to: Vestas chief sees untapped energy source here; Upper Tech Tech students reach out
The facts are that offshore wind energy proposed by Cape Wind has world's largest turbine manufacturer, Vestas, CEO scratching his head as it's twice the cost of land based installations.
Your observation that this doubling of cost is for installation does not make the cost disappear, or Vestas' CEO stop scratching his head wondering, "Why?" we would opt to pay double for energy produced offshore by Cape Wind.
It's illogical to pay double for offshore wind according to Vestas' chief.
This is a hypothetical, or moot, discussion as GE 3.6 MW wind turbines spec'd by Cape Wind have been discontinued.
Offshore Wind Power - Hardware
"General Electric 3.6sl (discontinued). Capacity 3.6 MW, rotor diameter 111 m. Hub height 75 m (from Cape Wind design specs). Seven 3.6s units producing power offshore at Arklow Bank since June 2004. See product brochure for GE 3.6sl. Based on experience at Arklow, GE had a set of engineering modifications to make for serial production of an offshore machine, but the company has to date decided not to compete in this market."
Your observation that this doubling of cost is for installation does not make the cost disappear, or Vestas' CEO stop scratching his head wondering, "Why?" we would opt to pay double for energy produced offshore by Cape Wind.
It's illogical to pay double for offshore wind according to Vestas' chief.
This is a hypothetical, or moot, discussion as GE 3.6 MW wind turbines spec'd by Cape Wind have been discontinued.
Offshore Wind Power - Hardware
"General Electric 3.6sl (discontinued). Capacity 3.6 MW, rotor diameter 111 m. Hub height 75 m (from Cape Wind design specs). Seven 3.6s units producing power offshore at Arklow Bank since June 2004. See product brochure for GE 3.6sl. Based on experience at Arklow, GE had a set of engineering modifications to make for serial production of an offshore machine, but the company has to date decided not to compete in this market."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Vestas chief sees untapped energy source here; Upper Tech Tech students reach out
In response to: Vestas chief sees untapped energy source here; Upper Tech Tech students reach out
Apparently, world's largest Vesta's chief is a shill for the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound, whose supporters are scratching their heads asking, "Why?" As we also wonder what the reasoning is behind the offshore Cape Wind proposal that would generate energy at "twice the price".
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: One good tern doen't deserves another
In response to: One good tern doen't deserves another
Sans facts, excaper, they digress.
I support myself, Mr. Peckham. And, Clean Power Now does not pay My bills.
Carl G. Thelander to CA Energy Resources and Development Commission:
"As stated above, the industry has been making and breaking promises to solve the bird problem for many years. Presenting 'Adaptive Management Plans' is not new to the industry. Seven years ago in 1998, industry Consultants Paul Kerlinger and Richard Curry presented an avian mitigation plan for the APWRA at a meeting of the National Wind Coordinating Committee. In that plan, the authors referred to an Adaptive Management Program that was comprised of such things as: priority treatment of high risk turbines, testing and installing perch guards, developing a peer-review process for evaluating the efficacy of perch guards, and providing assistance to the County in its rodent abatement program at the APWRA. This proposed Adaptive Management Program was a proposal that gained more time for the APWRA owners to avoid paying for any effective mitigation, and it was never implemented."
I support myself, Mr. Peckham. And, Clean Power Now does not pay My bills.
Carl G. Thelander to CA Energy Resources and Development Commission:
"As stated above, the industry has been making and breaking promises to solve the bird problem for many years. Presenting 'Adaptive Management Plans' is not new to the industry. Seven years ago in 1998, industry Consultants Paul Kerlinger and Richard Curry presented an avian mitigation plan for the APWRA at a meeting of the National Wind Coordinating Committee. In that plan, the authors referred to an Adaptive Management Program that was comprised of such things as: priority treatment of high risk turbines, testing and installing perch guards, developing a peer-review process for evaluating the efficacy of perch guards, and providing assistance to the County in its rodent abatement program at the APWRA. This proposed Adaptive Management Program was a proposal that gained more time for the APWRA owners to avoid paying for any effective mitigation, and it was never implemented."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: One good tern doen't deserves another
In response to: One good tern doen't deserves another
Solon:
Have your read this?
April 21, 2008 USFWS provided to Dr. Cluck, Cape Wind Project Manager of MMS, this comments on the Cape Wind MMS DEIS:
"The current framework that MMS is proposing would forgo refinement of pre-construction study protocols and set in motion an adaptive management process that would be doomed to failure because effective techniques to perform post-construction monitoring simply do not exist."
or this?
CAlifornians for Renewable Energy President-Michael Boyd, party to the Altamont, CA APWRA lawsuit remarks:
"The Cape Wind project is sited over water so there is no way to quantify the impact of wind turbines on avian species because we have no way to count bird and bat carcases like we do in the Altamont Pass California where the turbines are over land. This also means that adaptive management will not work since we have no way to gage the impact of mitigation measures for these wind turbines."
or this?
San Francisco Chronicle: January 2, 2008 page A 1:
'THE DEADLY TOLL OF WIND POWER'
Have your read this?
April 21, 2008 USFWS provided to Dr. Cluck, Cape Wind Project Manager of MMS, this comments on the Cape Wind MMS DEIS:
"The current framework that MMS is proposing would forgo refinement of pre-construction study protocols and set in motion an adaptive management process that would be doomed to failure because effective techniques to perform post-construction monitoring simply do not exist."
or this?
CAlifornians for Renewable Energy President-Michael Boyd, party to the Altamont, CA APWRA lawsuit remarks:
"The Cape Wind project is sited over water so there is no way to quantify the impact of wind turbines on avian species because we have no way to count bird and bat carcases like we do in the Altamont Pass California where the turbines are over land. This also means that adaptive management will not work since we have no way to gage the impact of mitigation measures for these wind turbines."
or this?
San Francisco Chronicle: January 2, 2008 page A 1:
'THE DEADLY TOLL OF WIND POWER'
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Leif Eriksson in Waquoit; Dennis beaches closed; Drag diva Coco Peru
In response to: Leif Eriksson in Waquoit; Dennis beaches closed; Drag diva Coco Peru
'Man builds case that Leif Eriksson landed on Cape Cod' is newsworthy.
"Good said he is planning on conducting an archeological exploration of the Sound in hopes that the ship and the truth can at last be found."
Victor Mastone, director and chief archaeologist of the Massachusetts Board of Underwater Archaeological Resources was interviewed elsewhere regarding the Nantucket Sound find that had scientists abuzz with the discovery of a preserved forest that rests below the sea, maybe artifacts from ancient cultures do, too -- items that could help answer some of the most vexing questions about early people in North America.
"We've been arguing for years whether there are remnant prehistoric landscapes out there and now we know they can exist," said Victor Mastone. ''This means there is the potential to go after the big theory of how did people get here and how they lived."
"Good said he is planning on conducting an archeological exploration of the Sound in hopes that the ship and the truth can at last be found."
Victor Mastone, director and chief archaeologist of the Massachusetts Board of Underwater Archaeological Resources was interviewed elsewhere regarding the Nantucket Sound find that had scientists abuzz with the discovery of a preserved forest that rests below the sea, maybe artifacts from ancient cultures do, too -- items that could help answer some of the most vexing questions about early people in North America.
"We've been arguing for years whether there are remnant prehistoric landscapes out there and now we know they can exist," said Victor Mastone. ''This means there is the potential to go after the big theory of how did people get here and how they lived."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Environmental group honors Dan Wolf
In response to: Environmental group honors Dan Wolf
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barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Environmental group honors Dan Wolf
In response to: Environmental group honors Dan Wolf
"Mr. Wolf paid special tribute to Cape Wind's founder, Jim Gordon..."
Was this reciprocated?
Conspicuously missing in this photo is Jack Clarke Director of Public Policy & Government Relations of Mass Audubon.
The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound is the only local Clean Power Now/Cape Wind opponent?
I think you forgot a few towns, airports, the state's largest commercial fishing organization, Massachusetts Fishermen's Partnership, Cape Cod, Nantucket and Hyannis chambers, Federally Recognized Tribes, the SSA and Hy-Line Cruises, and the majority of the Cape and islands' residents based on their non-binding votes against Cape Wind.
Was this reciprocated?
Conspicuously missing in this photo is Jack Clarke Director of Public Policy & Government Relations of Mass Audubon.
The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound is the only local Clean Power Now/Cape Wind opponent?
I think you forgot a few towns, airports, the state's largest commercial fishing organization, Massachusetts Fishermen's Partnership, Cape Cod, Nantucket and Hyannis chambers, Federally Recognized Tribes, the SSA and Hy-Line Cruises, and the majority of the Cape and islands' residents based on their non-binding votes against Cape Wind.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State Agency Confirms Federal Jurisdiction over Cape Wind
In response to: State Agency Confirms Federal Jurisdiction over Cape Wind
Sparky,
Taber Allison flatly denied M.A. testimony that puts them in conflict with the ESA, and their AM contract $$$ condition of "support" for CW.
"With respect to natural resources for which Fish & Wildlife Service is responsible, we find that there is considerable need to correct inaccuracies, explain inconsistencies, clarify ambiguities, fully articulate the limitations of the available science, and reach logical conclusions about the extent of impacts or the inability to predict them in the absence of information," said Michael Bartlett, supervisor of Fish & Wildlife's New England field office in Concord, N.H."
Taber Allison flatly denied M.A. testimony that puts them in conflict with the ESA, and their AM contract $$$ condition of "support" for CW.
"With respect to natural resources for which Fish & Wildlife Service is responsible, we find that there is considerable need to correct inaccuracies, explain inconsistencies, clarify ambiguities, fully articulate the limitations of the available science, and reach logical conclusions about the extent of impacts or the inability to predict them in the absence of information," said Michael Bartlett, supervisor of Fish & Wildlife's New England field office in Concord, N.H."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
Posse:
CW Website, facts?
Ex: “Will Cape Wind be safe for air navigation?”
“Yes. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has issued a Determination of No Hazard for Cape Wind." 7/14/08
Nicolette Nye representing the lead federal project reviewing agency, Minerals Management Service, and Cape Wind officials said that they did not know about the FAA letter according to Patrick Cassidy, Cape Cod Times staff writer, on January 16, 2008.
While six months later, the Cape Wind Website still misrepresents the facts company representative, Mark Rodgers, was provided relative to the FAA determination that states:
“Cape Wind exceeds obstruction standards.”
CW Website, facts?
Ex: “Will Cape Wind be safe for air navigation?”
“Yes. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has issued a Determination of No Hazard for Cape Wind." 7/14/08
Nicolette Nye representing the lead federal project reviewing agency, Minerals Management Service, and Cape Wind officials said that they did not know about the FAA letter according to Patrick Cassidy, Cape Cod Times staff writer, on January 16, 2008.
While six months later, the Cape Wind Website still misrepresents the facts company representative, Mark Rodgers, was provided relative to the FAA determination that states:
“Cape Wind exceeds obstruction standards.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
P.S.
"Pinch points" roughly translated, "An incredible oversight. We have to invest in the vessels to install wind turbines before we can conduct installations."
"nascent supply chain"=seriously back-ordered
Cape Wind, EMI and Wind Management Inc., have wasted their money.
We're all suffering "growing pains"
"Pinch points" roughly translated, "An incredible oversight. We have to invest in the vessels to install wind turbines before we can conduct installations."
"nascent supply chain"=seriously back-ordered
Cape Wind, EMI and Wind Management Inc., have wasted their money.
We're all suffering "growing pains"
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
Paris, France (May 28, 2008) –
"Supply chain bottlenecks and the resulting increases in capital costs for offshore wind power could create new challenges for Europe’s target
of generating 20 percent of its energy from renewable resources by 2020, according to a new report by Cambridge Energy Research Associates,
an IHS Inc. company:
“The rapid push to increase capacity will put the industry’s nascent supply chain under pressure and lead to higher capital costs. Offshore wind capital costs will increase not only due to increases in raw materials and engineering costs, as for other energy industries, but also due to specific additional pinch points in the supply chain. One of the major factors in the rise of costs is the lack of a sufficient number of purpose-built installation vessels to install the turbines, resulting in less efficient and more costly options being used.”
http://www.cera.com/aspx/cda/public1/
news/pressReleases/pressRelease
Details.aspx?CID=9512
"Supply chain bottlenecks and the resulting increases in capital costs for offshore wind power could create new challenges for Europe’s target
of generating 20 percent of its energy from renewable resources by 2020, according to a new report by Cambridge Energy Research Associates,
an IHS Inc. company:
“The rapid push to increase capacity will put the industry’s nascent supply chain under pressure and lead to higher capital costs. Offshore wind capital costs will increase not only due to increases in raw materials and engineering costs, as for other energy industries, but also due to specific additional pinch points in the supply chain. One of the major factors in the rise of costs is the lack of a sufficient number of purpose-built installation vessels to install the turbines, resulting in less efficient and more costly options being used.”
http://www.cera.com/aspx/cda/public1/
news/pressReleases/pressRelease
Details.aspx?CID=9512
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
When the Trojans discovered that the Greeks were gone, believing the war was over, they "joyfully dragged the horse inside the city", while they debated what to do with it. Some thought they ought to hurl it down from the rocks, others thought they should burn it, while others said they ought to dedicate the Trojan horse to Athena.
Both Barbara and Maverick warned against keeping the horse.
Both Barbara and Maverick warned against keeping the horse.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
I've never questioned your knowledge, Awayfromthebay. I'd like to harness it. But you're already spoken for.
We are facing a $7 billion in Big Dig interest payments alone; with principal that we won't pay off until 2038.
Christy Mihos is looking more intelligent every day the Massachusetts taxpayers' interest clock ticks.
We are facing a $7 billion in Big Dig interest payments alone; with principal that we won't pay off until 2038.
Christy Mihos is looking more intelligent every day the Massachusetts taxpayers' interest clock ticks.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
Posse;
Send an email to me and stretch the memory on your hard drive. By the time you're done reading, you'll recognize that Jim Gordon has the only economic model in the Universe that makes sense from the consumer or environmental perspectives. bjdurk@aol.com
Awayfromthebay: I haven't nominated Bill Koch for the Nobel Peace Prize.
The mind-set here is not what's in it for us, it's what's in it for them. AKA, a giant Boondoogle for the benefit of a private developer.
If Jim's economic model demonstrated PUBLIC and ENVIRONMENTAL benefits, we'd all have a copy.
"If you like the Big Dig, you'll love Cape Wind." Christy Mihos
'Big Dig's red ink engulfs state'
Initial cost estimate $2.5 bn, today's Globe, page A1, "Cost spirals to $22 bn..."
Christy knows what you don't want to find out.
Send an email to me and stretch the memory on your hard drive. By the time you're done reading, you'll recognize that Jim Gordon has the only economic model in the Universe that makes sense from the consumer or environmental perspectives. bjdurk@aol.com
Awayfromthebay: I haven't nominated Bill Koch for the Nobel Peace Prize.
The mind-set here is not what's in it for us, it's what's in it for them. AKA, a giant Boondoogle for the benefit of a private developer.
If Jim's economic model demonstrated PUBLIC and ENVIRONMENTAL benefits, we'd all have a copy.
"If you like the Big Dig, you'll love Cape Wind." Christy Mihos
'Big Dig's red ink engulfs state'
Initial cost estimate $2.5 bn, today's Globe, page A1, "Cost spirals to $22 bn..."
Christy knows what you don't want to find out.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
In response to: Alliance linked to Fossil Fools
Bill Koch is well recognized for his business acumen. When Jim Gordon approached Bill to invest in Cape Wind in 2002, Bill Koch turned Jim Gordon down.
Mr. Koch created his own economic model of Cape Wind when Jim wouldn't share his.
And Bill arrived at this conclusion:
"When you do the math, it is clear that every other form of power generation would be cheaper to build, produce more electricity at a consistent rate and save consumers more money."
If Bill Koch had determined that economic risks associated with Cape Wind were minimal; and he had accepted Jim Gordon's partnership offer, I expect that Bill would riding as Grand Marshall in a Cape Cod Today sponsored parade.
Mr. Koch created his own economic model of Cape Wind when Jim wouldn't share his.
And Bill arrived at this conclusion:
"When you do the math, it is clear that every other form of power generation would be cheaper to build, produce more electricity at a consistent rate and save consumers more money."
If Bill Koch had determined that economic risks associated with Cape Wind were minimal; and he had accepted Jim Gordon's partnership offer, I expect that Bill would riding as Grand Marshall in a Cape Cod Today sponsored parade.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS offshore lease proposal announced; Where the wind is
In response to: MMS offshore lease proposal announced; Where the wind is
Have you given up pedaling for PetroCats for drug pedaling, Stephen?
Cape Wind Website today
Wind Speed = "0"
that equates to:
Energy Produced = "0"
This is the second business in Newton I've heard about today.
And one was served with a subpoena.
The Newton, Massachusetts-based First Wind (formerly known as UPC Wind), was served by the office of New York State Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo today.
It's a small world when you're perched atop a 440' industrial wind turbine.
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/
2008/july/july15a_08.html
Cape Wind Website today
Wind Speed = "0"
that equates to:
Energy Produced = "0"
This is the second business in Newton I've heard about today.
And one was served with a subpoena.
The Newton, Massachusetts-based First Wind (formerly known as UPC Wind), was served by the office of New York State Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo today.
It's a small world when you're perched atop a 440' industrial wind turbine.
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/
2008/july/july15a_08.html
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Help name the Nimby Nabobs
In response to: Help name the Nimby Nabobs
Gratefully Gazing Gentries
Billionaire Blowhard Blasters
$avvy $ound $avers
Moneyed Myth Moderators
Moguls Against Marauders
Moguls Against Machiavellianism
Sophisticated Consumers
Billionaire Blowhard Blasters
$avvy $ound $avers
Moneyed Myth Moderators
Moguls Against Marauders
Moguls Against Machiavellianism
Sophisticated Consumers
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS offshore lease proposal announced; Where the wind is
In response to: MMS offshore lease proposal announced; Where the wind is
Peckham pathetically pedals Petrocat's prophesies, platitudes & propaganda for payment in pennies.
Richard Egan and I sitting in a tree share a vision of a turbine free Nantucket Sound in perpetuity.
Richard Egan and I sitting in a tree share a vision of a turbine free Nantucket Sound in perpetuity.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Help name the Nimby Nabobs
In response to: Help name the Nimby Nabobs
sorry, "infrastructure", not "infrastruction" is what I meant to state in my last comment.
Shut down, during migratory season, is a costly 2 months approximate Cape Wind event that has not been factored into the high price of Cape Wind's intermittent power capture plan.
Which, candidly, is more of a tax avoidance strategy than an energy capture strategy.
If we're foolish enough to accept the offer that Cape Wind considers that we can't refuse.
Shut down, during migratory season, is a costly 2 months approximate Cape Wind event that has not been factored into the high price of Cape Wind's intermittent power capture plan.
Which, candidly, is more of a tax avoidance strategy than an energy capture strategy.
If we're foolish enough to accept the offer that Cape Wind considers that we can't refuse.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Help name the Nimby Nabobs
In response to: Help name the Nimby Nabobs
Cape Wind as Pioneer Energy Park will burn fossil fuel in Westfield, Stephen.
All oil sticks to the backs of marine mammals, fish and birds. That would include the unidentified 40,000 gallons that would be contained in the Cape Wind Electrical Service Platform.
But, YOU have said, “The point is: CAPE WIND - WILL- Help to reduce our dependence on foreign OIL & NATURAL GAS supplies...”
And you can't have it both ways...
"No one to my knowledge has ever said that CAPE WIND will reduce the amount of natural gas nor oil consumption used for "the winter heating" nor the price therof."
MMS DEIS states that Cape Wind would double the current wholesale cost of energy. Without public subsidy, bonding, infrastruction and transmission upgrades or costly operation and maintenance O&M costs reflected. Yikes!
All oil sticks to the backs of marine mammals, fish and birds. That would include the unidentified 40,000 gallons that would be contained in the Cape Wind Electrical Service Platform.
But, YOU have said, “The point is: CAPE WIND - WILL- Help to reduce our dependence on foreign OIL & NATURAL GAS supplies...”
And you can't have it both ways...
"No one to my knowledge has ever said that CAPE WIND will reduce the amount of natural gas nor oil consumption used for "the winter heating" nor the price therof."
MMS DEIS states that Cape Wind would double the current wholesale cost of energy. Without public subsidy, bonding, infrastruction and transmission upgrades or costly operation and maintenance O&M costs reflected. Yikes!
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS offshore lease proposal announced; Where the wind is
In response to: MMS offshore lease proposal announced; Where the wind is
Carl B. Freeman:
Perhaps you were singing to yourself at the MMS DEIS public hearing on the Cape when I provided testimony.
And, you must have been snoozing when the federal regulator with purview over the endangered species, USFWS, provided their testimony regarding mitigation proposed by MA Audubon and MMS:
"The current framework that MMS is proposing would forgo refinement of pre-construction study protocols and set in motion an adaptive management process that would be doomed to failure because effective techniques to perform post-construction monitoring simply do not exist."
If you think the price of oil is high, you should brace yourself for the ratepayer and taxpayer hit if Cape Wind is permitted and constructed.
The mortality figure by Cape Wind by MA Audubon staff scientists' is up to 6,600 birds.
Killing so many birds to save them is quite illogical, Carl, but quite profitable for some, too.
Perhaps you were singing to yourself at the MMS DEIS public hearing on the Cape when I provided testimony.
And, you must have been snoozing when the federal regulator with purview over the endangered species, USFWS, provided their testimony regarding mitigation proposed by MA Audubon and MMS:
"The current framework that MMS is proposing would forgo refinement of pre-construction study protocols and set in motion an adaptive management process that would be doomed to failure because effective techniques to perform post-construction monitoring simply do not exist."
If you think the price of oil is high, you should brace yourself for the ratepayer and taxpayer hit if Cape Wind is permitted and constructed.
The mortality figure by Cape Wind by MA Audubon staff scientists' is up to 6,600 birds.
Killing so many birds to save them is quite illogical, Carl, but quite profitable for some, too.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Help name the Nimby Nabobs
In response to: Help name the Nimby Nabobs
I've met with the Cape Cod Today editor's eraser again.
Sailing cynics, Pandora Preventers, Waterfront Warriors, and Nobodysfools offend thee?
Sailing cynics, Pandora Preventers, Waterfront Warriors, and Nobodysfools offend thee?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS offshore lease proposal announced; Where the wind is
In response to: MMS offshore lease proposal announced; Where the wind is
Stephen Peckham:
And, your point is, "bla blah blah"?
'Is wind power a realistic solution to our energy woes?'
http://www.moneyweek.com/file/49881/
wind-power-is-it-a-realistic-option.html
No, but it's a realistic solution to those seeking tax sheltering opportunities; and those duped by them.
And, your point is, "bla blah blah"?
'Is wind power a realistic solution to our energy woes?'
http://www.moneyweek.com/file/49881/
wind-power-is-it-a-realistic-option.html
No, but it's a realistic solution to those seeking tax sheltering opportunities; and those duped by them.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS offshore lease proposal announced; Where the wind is
In response to: MMS offshore lease proposal announced; Where the wind is
"Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens launched a media blitz this week to announce his plan for us "to escape the grip of foreign oil." Now he’s got himself stuck between a crock and a wind farm."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/
0,2933,379702,00.html
Maureen Bornholdt is not quoted in the in the pullout.
Cape Wind...
"They will have to bear the burden themselves of meeting all the criteria," Mr. Cruickshank said, acknowledging the apparent contradiction of his agency not yet having relevant criteria in place. Cape Cod Today 5/20/06
"MMS Strategic Goal 4"
"Achieve Fair Market Value”
“Achieve a fair and equitable return for the American public for rights conveyed”
“Objectives"
"Protect the public interest by performing diligent technical analyses and review of industry high bid”
Cape Wind has a special interest "no bid" deal that is not in the "public interest"
Thusly, Cape Wind would provide an inequitable return for the American public.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/
0,2933,379702,00.html
Maureen Bornholdt is not quoted in the in the pullout.
Cape Wind...
"They will have to bear the burden themselves of meeting all the criteria," Mr. Cruickshank said, acknowledging the apparent contradiction of his agency not yet having relevant criteria in place. Cape Cod Today 5/20/06
"MMS Strategic Goal 4"
"Achieve Fair Market Value”
“Achieve a fair and equitable return for the American public for rights conveyed”
“Objectives"
"Protect the public interest by performing diligent technical analyses and review of industry high bid”
Cape Wind has a special interest "no bid" deal that is not in the "public interest"
Thusly, Cape Wind would provide an inequitable return for the American public.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State Agency Confirms Federal Jurisdiction over Cape Wind
In response to: State Agency Confirms Federal Jurisdiction over Cape Wind
Stephen Peckham, smahkcep:
Considering the burden of proof is on the applicant to demonstrate that his project will extend public and environmental benefits that exceed supportable costs and risks; where might I find Cape Wind supportable benefits?
Lacking supportable arguments in favor reveal your deperation.
Your seemingly endless obfuscation and obsession, D'alliance dis and dat, indicates to me that you're fully cognizant that you're supporting a dogma, ideology, religion, a myth.
While I may extend more credit than you're due, you are intelligent.
So, how much are you paid for your digression, per word, per hour, by those who seek to destroy a national treasure and abscond with taxpayers' and ratepayers' hard earned money?
Considering the burden of proof is on the applicant to demonstrate that his project will extend public and environmental benefits that exceed supportable costs and risks; where might I find Cape Wind supportable benefits?
Lacking supportable arguments in favor reveal your deperation.
Your seemingly endless obfuscation and obsession, D'alliance dis and dat, indicates to me that you're fully cognizant that you're supporting a dogma, ideology, religion, a myth.
While I may extend more credit than you're due, you are intelligent.
So, how much are you paid for your digression, per word, per hour, by those who seek to destroy a national treasure and abscond with taxpayers' and ratepayers' hard earned money?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State Agency Confirms Federal Jurisdiction over Cape Wind
In response to: State Agency Confirms Federal Jurisdiction over Cape Wind
Sparky:
2/23/05
USACE Reference File No.
NAE-2004-338-1, EOEA No. 12643:
"By utilizing other bird mortality data provided in the DEIS, Mass Audubon staff scientists arrived at avian mortalities that ranged from 2,300 to 6,600 collision deaths per year."
08/03/06
South Coast Today, Taber Allison:
"Mass Audubon scientists have never concluded that up to 6,600 birds, or any number of birds, would be killed if this project is permitted…”
...because it puts them in conflict with federal species protections to support a project that would kill so many birds, (what dead birds?)...
www.iberica2000.org/Es/
Articulo.asp?Id=3686
Michael Boyd is President of CAlifornian's for Renewable Energy the NGO whose scientists have standing in federal court re: Altamont suit as my source on the value of MA Audubon's CW "support" condition, ("Challenge" MA Audubon press release).
Mark Duchamp of Spain is cited by Ian Nesbit as an expert in Killer Wind.
Cheers
2/23/05
USACE Reference File No.
NAE-2004-338-1, EOEA No. 12643:
"By utilizing other bird mortality data provided in the DEIS, Mass Audubon staff scientists arrived at avian mortalities that ranged from 2,300 to 6,600 collision deaths per year."
08/03/06
South Coast Today, Taber Allison:
"Mass Audubon scientists have never concluded that up to 6,600 birds, or any number of birds, would be killed if this project is permitted…”
...because it puts them in conflict with federal species protections to support a project that would kill so many birds, (what dead birds?)...
www.iberica2000.org/Es/
Articulo.asp?Id=3686
Michael Boyd is President of CAlifornian's for Renewable Energy the NGO whose scientists have standing in federal court re: Altamont suit as my source on the value of MA Audubon's CW "support" condition, ("Challenge" MA Audubon press release).
Mark Duchamp of Spain is cited by Ian Nesbit as an expert in Killer Wind.
Cheers
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State Agency Confirms Federal Jurisdiction over Cape Wind
In response to: State Agency Confirms Federal Jurisdiction over Cape Wind
Stephen Peckham, smahkcep:
Abandonment of common sense is as rampant as is the concept that federal laws are optional to observe. NEPA, observed, will prevent fossil fuel Guru, Jim Gordon, from realizing his dream, Cape Wind, the "no bid" Boondoggle and theft of a national treasure.
Gifting Jim $1 billion for nothing in return would allow us to cut our losses significantly.
There was not much thinking attached to the submission of 40,000 CW favorable post cards. It's more of a tribute to Jim's cunning and evidence of our gullibility and naivete'.
Killing up to 6,600 birds per year to save them is as illogical. And so is Cape Wind.
It pays your rent, though.
Abandonment of common sense is as rampant as is the concept that federal laws are optional to observe. NEPA, observed, will prevent fossil fuel Guru, Jim Gordon, from realizing his dream, Cape Wind, the "no bid" Boondoggle and theft of a national treasure.
Gifting Jim $1 billion for nothing in return would allow us to cut our losses significantly.
There was not much thinking attached to the submission of 40,000 CW favorable post cards. It's more of a tribute to Jim's cunning and evidence of our gullibility and naivete'.
Killing up to 6,600 birds per year to save them is as illogical. And so is Cape Wind.
It pays your rent, though.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State Agency Confirms Federal Jurisdiction over Cape Wind
In response to: State Agency Confirms Federal Jurisdiction over Cape Wind
The qualifier is "state" law. This is an act of cowardice on the part of the Director of Fisheries and Wildlife, who adopts a hearing officer's decision dated May 16, 2008 saying that the Division of Fisheries and Wildlife only has jurisdiction over the cable project.
The statement the State makes is that the "cable" would not take endangered species. It is therefore a narrow technical issue about jurisdiction, that demonstrates the state's gutlessness.
It says nothing about whether the whole Cape Wind project will kill endangered species. Everyone, including DFW, agrees that it will, because the wind turbines will kill plovers, terns and other species.
The state should have stepped up to the plate as this project will have impact on state's interests.
A California court has ruled that as regulators failed to provide adequate protection to citizens and the environment, the environmental damage caused by wind turbines was not the fault of the developer held harmless for environmental damages caused by wind turbines. That decision is a harbinger of what we can expect.
The statement the State makes is that the "cable" would not take endangered species. It is therefore a narrow technical issue about jurisdiction, that demonstrates the state's gutlessness.
It says nothing about whether the whole Cape Wind project will kill endangered species. Everyone, including DFW, agrees that it will, because the wind turbines will kill plovers, terns and other species.
The state should have stepped up to the plate as this project will have impact on state's interests.
A California court has ruled that as regulators failed to provide adequate protection to citizens and the environment, the environmental damage caused by wind turbines was not the fault of the developer held harmless for environmental damages caused by wind turbines. That decision is a harbinger of what we can expect.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind reacts to judge Kane's ruling
In response to: Cape Wind reacts to judge Kane's ruling
Magician, my kindred spirit, do tell 'em about the importance of joy and tranquility to be found in silence.
Solon, speaking if I may for "you people" the fear factor is as tired as the gouging of taxpayers and ratepayers by corporate interests' and their facilitators.
Nysted? One in the same as was offline for how many? 7-8 out of 12 months?
When you're told birds need to be killed in order to save them, it's time to pause and reflect on the motivation of the speaker.
Donald Michael Fry, PhD
Director, Pesticides and Birds Program
American Bird Conservancy
May 1, 2007 to Chairwoman Bordello of Fisheries, Oceans and Wildlife:
"While the actual number of birds killed by wind turbines is unknown, estimates have been made in the range of 30,000 to 60,000 per year at the current level of wind development."
Solon, speaking if I may for "you people" the fear factor is as tired as the gouging of taxpayers and ratepayers by corporate interests' and their facilitators.
Nysted? One in the same as was offline for how many? 7-8 out of 12 months?
When you're told birds need to be killed in order to save them, it's time to pause and reflect on the motivation of the speaker.
Donald Michael Fry, PhD
Director, Pesticides and Birds Program
American Bird Conservancy
May 1, 2007 to Chairwoman Bordello of Fisheries, Oceans and Wildlife:
"While the actual number of birds killed by wind turbines is unknown, estimates have been made in the range of 30,000 to 60,000 per year at the current level of wind development."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind reacts to judge Kane's ruling
In response to: Cape Wind reacts to judge Kane's ruling
Exactly, Maverick! Kangaroo Kane would have if he could have.
Mass Audubon:
“First, for some avian species, such as the Roseate Tern or Piping Plover, a single death as a result of the project could be regarded as an unacceptable level of impact under the U.S. Endangered Species Act.”
Rep. Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.), Chairman of Natural Resources to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne, (in the context of Cape Wind and the rulemaking, now 2 yrs overdue by MMS):
“I would also like you to provide me with a legal analysis of how the incidental take of migratory birds that could occur with offshore renewable energy projects on the Outer Continental Shelf might be addressed through your authority under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act to regulate the taking of protected bird species.”
...requiring Kempthorne to become inventive :)
Mass Audubon:
“First, for some avian species, such as the Roseate Tern or Piping Plover, a single death as a result of the project could be regarded as an unacceptable level of impact under the U.S. Endangered Species Act.”
Rep. Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.), Chairman of Natural Resources to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne, (in the context of Cape Wind and the rulemaking, now 2 yrs overdue by MMS):
“I would also like you to provide me with a legal analysis of how the incidental take of migratory birds that could occur with offshore renewable energy projects on the Outer Continental Shelf might be addressed through your authority under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act to regulate the taking of protected bird species.”
...requiring Kempthorne to become inventive :)
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Major victory for Cape Wind against Alliance, others
In response to: Major victory for Cape Wind against Alliance, others
Sparky,
From your link:
“Wind power has no fuel costs, and so will generally operate when available. However, wind is a variable, weather-dependent resource. As a result, it will not make up a strong share of the Nation’s capacity needs over the next few years.”
Paris, France (May 28, 2008) – Supply chain bottlenecks and the resulting increases in capital costs for offshore wind power could create new challenges for Europe’s target of generating 20 percent of its energy from renewable resources by 2020, according to a new report by Cambridge Energy Research Associates, an IHS Inc. company:
“The rapid push to increase capacity will put the industry’s nascent supply chain under pressure and lead to higher capital costs. Offshore wind capital costs will increase not only due to increases in raw materials and engineering costs, as for other energy industries, but also due to specific additional pinch points in the supply chain. One of the major factors in the rise of costs is the lack of a sufficient number of purpose-built installation vessels to install the turbines, resulting in less efficient and more costly options being used.”
From your link:
“Wind power has no fuel costs, and so will generally operate when available. However, wind is a variable, weather-dependent resource. As a result, it will not make up a strong share of the Nation’s capacity needs over the next few years.”
Paris, France (May 28, 2008) – Supply chain bottlenecks and the resulting increases in capital costs for offshore wind power could create new challenges for Europe’s target of generating 20 percent of its energy from renewable resources by 2020, according to a new report by Cambridge Energy Research Associates, an IHS Inc. company:
“The rapid push to increase capacity will put the industry’s nascent supply chain under pressure and lead to higher capital costs. Offshore wind capital costs will increase not only due to increases in raw materials and engineering costs, as for other energy industries, but also due to specific additional pinch points in the supply chain. One of the major factors in the rise of costs is the lack of a sufficient number of purpose-built installation vessels to install the turbines, resulting in less efficient and more costly options being used.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Major victory for Cape Wind against Alliance, others
In response to: Major victory for Cape Wind against Alliance, others
The only way I can help you with Cape Wind's cost of energy, Sparky, is to help prevent Cape Wind.
Add public subsidies, bonding, existing infrastructure and transmission upgrades, or operation and maintenance O&M costs that would eventually be borne by ratepayers and taxpayers.
Better still, don’t…
'Green goals hit by rise in offshore wind cost'
Fiona Harvey in London, Financial Times , 29 May 2008
“The construction of offshore wind farms is becoming more costly, creating further problems for the European Union in meeting its renewable energy target.”
'Offshore wind costs set to soar'
“29 May 2008 - The construction of offshore wind farms is becoming more costly, creating further problems for the European Union in meeting its renewable energy target, reports the Financial Times."
'Cost of offshore wind farms soaring'
“Higher prices for steel and copper are being blamed for the increasing unprofitability of offshore wind farms. A British firm that was going to build one now questions its viability. Stephen Beard reports from London.”
Thank you, Possee.
Add public subsidies, bonding, existing infrastructure and transmission upgrades, or operation and maintenance O&M costs that would eventually be borne by ratepayers and taxpayers.
Better still, don’t…
'Green goals hit by rise in offshore wind cost'
Fiona Harvey in London, Financial Times , 29 May 2008
“The construction of offshore wind farms is becoming more costly, creating further problems for the European Union in meeting its renewable energy target.”
'Offshore wind costs set to soar'
“29 May 2008 - The construction of offshore wind farms is becoming more costly, creating further problems for the European Union in meeting its renewable energy target, reports the Financial Times."
'Cost of offshore wind farms soaring'
“Higher prices for steel and copper are being blamed for the increasing unprofitability of offshore wind farms. A British firm that was going to build one now questions its viability. Stephen Beard reports from London.”
Thank you, Possee.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Major victory for Cape Wind against Alliance, others
In response to: Major victory for Cape Wind against Alliance, others
How absurd it is to for one moment to consider or suggest that Cape Wind would produce reliable or affordable energy.
The world's leader in wind turbine manufacturing is backing away from costly offshore wind, and suggests we do the same.
'Vestas calls for greater focus on onshore wind'
"As new report warns that the cost of offshore wind farms will soar, leading turbine manufacturer urges politicians and media to turn attention to onshore wind"
Well stated, Capecodjon. The Princes of Wind, Oil, Gas and Coal are all one in the same multi-national corporate giants attempting to separate us from our wealth, in monetary and real estate terms.
Walter Brooks condition in offering a Blog opportunity to me as a Cape Wind opponent required me to state that I work for the Alliance. As this is untrue, I have no Blog.
The world's leader in wind turbine manufacturing is backing away from costly offshore wind, and suggests we do the same.
'Vestas calls for greater focus on onshore wind'
"As new report warns that the cost of offshore wind farms will soar, leading turbine manufacturer urges politicians and media to turn attention to onshore wind"
Well stated, Capecodjon. The Princes of Wind, Oil, Gas and Coal are all one in the same multi-national corporate giants attempting to separate us from our wealth, in monetary and real estate terms.
Walter Brooks condition in offering a Blog opportunity to me as a Cape Wind opponent required me to state that I work for the Alliance. As this is untrue, I have no Blog.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Wind will power our future
In response to: Wind will power our future
Sparky,
The Princes of Wind, Oil, Gas and Coal are all one in the same.
"In 1999, EMI sold two plants to El Paso Energy and the following year it sold the remaining three to Calpine for a combined total reported to be around $250 million."
"After that, EMI shrank from a company of 110 employees to a core management team of a dozen people. A few cashed in their chips and retired. Gordon and his remaining colleagues began looking for the next opportunity. "We looked at the portfolio -- we've got gas, we've got oil, and we've got coal," Gordon says, drumming his desk for emphasis. "But we don't have renewable energy."
http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/jul/21spec.htm
The evidence is pretty compelling, Sparky. The world's largest turbine manufacturer, my source, Vestas, is now stating that offshore wind energy generation is twice as expensive as onshore wind.
The Princes of Wind, Oil, Gas and Coal are all one in the same.
"In 1999, EMI sold two plants to El Paso Energy and the following year it sold the remaining three to Calpine for a combined total reported to be around $250 million."
"After that, EMI shrank from a company of 110 employees to a core management team of a dozen people. A few cashed in their chips and retired. Gordon and his remaining colleagues began looking for the next opportunity. "We looked at the portfolio -- we've got gas, we've got oil, and we've got coal," Gordon says, drumming his desk for emphasis. "But we don't have renewable energy."
http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/jul/21spec.htm
The evidence is pretty compelling, Sparky. The world's largest turbine manufacturer, my source, Vestas, is now stating that offshore wind energy generation is twice as expensive as onshore wind.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Wind will power our future
In response to: Wind will power our future
“A corporation does things for one reason-profit.” Dwight Joyce
Paraphrasing Glenn Schleede:
The US Department of Energy's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (DOE-EERE) distributes our tax dollars via contracts and grants to hundreds of organizations, (profit, nonprofit, colleges and universities, state and local government agencies, industry lobbyists, DOE national “laboratories”), creating a veritable “army” of advocates to (a) prepare biased studies, reports, articles, speeches and letters to editors favorable to wind energy, and (b) lobby federal, state and local government executive, legislative and regulatory officials to provide even more tax breaks and other subsidies and more tax dollars for DOE-EERE to dispense.
The world’s largest turbine manufacturer, Vestas, is now calling on politicians and policy makers to shift their support to land based wind. Vestas, MMS, Shell and others all say offshore economics are difficult and twice as expensive.
Paraphrasing Glenn Schleede:
The US Department of Energy's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (DOE-EERE) distributes our tax dollars via contracts and grants to hundreds of organizations, (profit, nonprofit, colleges and universities, state and local government agencies, industry lobbyists, DOE national “laboratories”), creating a veritable “army” of advocates to (a) prepare biased studies, reports, articles, speeches and letters to editors favorable to wind energy, and (b) lobby federal, state and local government executive, legislative and regulatory officials to provide even more tax breaks and other subsidies and more tax dollars for DOE-EERE to dispense.
The world’s largest turbine manufacturer, Vestas, is now calling on politicians and policy makers to shift their support to land based wind. Vestas, MMS, Shell and others all say offshore economics are difficult and twice as expensive.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Operation "Greenscam"
In response to: Operation "Greenscam"
Wednesday, March 12, 2008
"Higher cost of power may cause a backlash"
'Renewable sources such as wind expensive'
By Jim Polson BLOOMBERG NEWS
"Utilities in New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts and two dozen other states may face a credit-crimping consumer backlash over costs to increase power supplies from wind and other renewable sources, Standard & Poor’s said."
"Consumers have been led to believe that the cost to shift to renewable energy will be “negligible” while the cost to California may reach $1 billion by 2010, setting up potential for a backlash over rates, Selting said."
Offshore wind energy development cost is twice as expensive as the onshore ME and NY projects.
Cape Wind's hidden costs as the O&M contract, bonding cost, infrastructure upgrades and transmission upgrades will all be borne by ratepayers and taxpayers.
Cape Wind is a tax farm.
"Higher cost of power may cause a backlash"
'Renewable sources such as wind expensive'
By Jim Polson BLOOMBERG NEWS
"Utilities in New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts and two dozen other states may face a credit-crimping consumer backlash over costs to increase power supplies from wind and other renewable sources, Standard & Poor’s said."
"Consumers have been led to believe that the cost to shift to renewable energy will be “negligible” while the cost to California may reach $1 billion by 2010, setting up potential for a backlash over rates, Selting said."
Offshore wind energy development cost is twice as expensive as the onshore ME and NY projects.
Cape Wind's hidden costs as the O&M contract, bonding cost, infrastructure upgrades and transmission upgrades will all be borne by ratepayers and taxpayers.
Cape Wind is a tax farm.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: A call to arms in Barnstable
In response to: A call to arms in Barnstable
Maverick, thank you for your research, honesty, considered comments and for contributing your time for $0.00 as I do as we know understand the exponential price of Cape Wind, so ugly not even the dark will spare us the agony of looking at her.
Not to mention "lethal".
Newsworthy item:
The federal regulator, USFWS, with purview over endangered wildlife present in Nantucket Sound, provides this comment to Dr. Cluck, Cape Wind Project Manager Cape Wind DEIS:
"The current framework that MMS is proposing would forgo refinement of pre-construction study protocols and set in motion an adaptive management process that would be doomed to failure because effective techniques to perform post-construction monitoring simply do not exist."
Why is this significant?
Not to mention "lethal".
Newsworthy item:
The federal regulator, USFWS, with purview over endangered wildlife present in Nantucket Sound, provides this comment to Dr. Cluck, Cape Wind Project Manager Cape Wind DEIS:
"The current framework that MMS is proposing would forgo refinement of pre-construction study protocols and set in motion an adaptive management process that would be doomed to failure because effective techniques to perform post-construction monitoring simply do not exist."
Why is this significant?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Everyone Should Be Angry
In response to: Everyone Should Be Angry
smahkcep:
(AKA)-Stephen Peckham, the husband of Clean Power Now's executive director, Barbara Hill, has already provided your identical comment.
Either you are Stephen Peckham, and indirectly "paid" by "virtue?" of your spouse's occupation; or you are plagiarizing.
Your comments as Stephen Peckham are "bought" and mine as Barbara Durkin are not.
While, interestly, if one correctly removes your repeated word "lie", following each statement made in your comments, the truth is revealed.
At the very least you are consistent.
(AKA)-Stephen Peckham, the husband of Clean Power Now's executive director, Barbara Hill, has already provided your identical comment.
Either you are Stephen Peckham, and indirectly "paid" by "virtue?" of your spouse's occupation; or you are plagiarizing.
Your comments as Stephen Peckham are "bought" and mine as Barbara Durkin are not.
While, interestly, if one correctly removes your repeated word "lie", following each statement made in your comments, the truth is revealed.
At the very least you are consistent.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Everyone Should Be Angry
In response to: Everyone Should Be Angry
What's a Cape Wind proponent to do, Christy? Debate this issue by producing facts that support the project, when they're as elusive as snipe?
Great job, Peter.
There is a double standard as Maverick states. Why should the federal government be above the law? I agree that everyone should be angry. The MMS DEIS is far worse than the Cape Wind USACE DEIS that the DOI called, "at best incomplete, and too often inaccurate and/or misleading."
The fact that Cape Wind is a precedent proposal being reviewed outside of comprehensive policy is very troubling. If this precedent is set, what are the odds that other project developers, aided and abetted by the federal government, will trample public rights and ignore laws?
Malfeasance, misappropriation, insubordination, and gross negligence are words that come to mind.
Great job, Peter.
There is a double standard as Maverick states. Why should the federal government be above the law? I agree that everyone should be angry. The MMS DEIS is far worse than the Cape Wind USACE DEIS that the DOI called, "at best incomplete, and too often inaccurate and/or misleading."
The fact that Cape Wind is a precedent proposal being reviewed outside of comprehensive policy is very troubling. If this precedent is set, what are the odds that other project developers, aided and abetted by the federal government, will trample public rights and ignore laws?
Malfeasance, misappropriation, insubordination, and gross negligence are words that come to mind.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: The Cape Wind "Stealth Story" cometh
In response to: The Cape Wind "Stealth Story" cometh
Paranoia may be setting in. Is there a fear that deep water technology will be embraced over the poster project of bad siting practice, Walter?
So much for the technology Cape Wind proponents have said is 10-15 years away. Blue H may have missed this refrain the rest of us only wish we had, "We need near shore wind farms like Cape Wind first, so that the lessons learned will help industry develop these new deep water technologies" or similar words same meaning.
Cape Wind is so plagued by controversy that the concept of placing this project near shore has become obsolete over the 8 year battle over the site as chosen by Cape Wind. Cape Wind suffers from functional obsolescence on paper due to siting conflicts and the public outcry over location, location, location.
Not that I’m keeping score, but has Cape Wind demonstrated remote likelihood of any of these scenarios?
1. Lower cost of electricity to ratepayers?
2. Shutting down fossil fuel plants like Canal?
3. Lots of local high tech jobs? And, that…
4. Deep water technology is 10-15 years away?
So much for the technology Cape Wind proponents have said is 10-15 years away. Blue H may have missed this refrain the rest of us only wish we had, "We need near shore wind farms like Cape Wind first, so that the lessons learned will help industry develop these new deep water technologies" or similar words same meaning.
Cape Wind is so plagued by controversy that the concept of placing this project near shore has become obsolete over the 8 year battle over the site as chosen by Cape Wind. Cape Wind suffers from functional obsolescence on paper due to siting conflicts and the public outcry over location, location, location.
Not that I’m keeping score, but has Cape Wind demonstrated remote likelihood of any of these scenarios?
1. Lower cost of electricity to ratepayers?
2. Shutting down fossil fuel plants like Canal?
3. Lots of local high tech jobs? And, that…
4. Deep water technology is 10-15 years away?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: An answer in the wind
In response to: An answer in the wind
Imco35:
"Truth emerges more readily from error than from confusion." Francis Bacon
NRDC 2/1/06: “Whatever the various merits of solar, wind, nuclear, et al,
they have nothing to do with reducing our oil dependence.”
San Francisco Chronicle
January 2, 2008
'THE DEADLY TOLL OF WIND POWER'
"Despite yearlong effort to curb bird deaths by turbines on the Altamont
Pass, many still have perished"
"Known officially as the Scientific Review Committee, the panel agreed
Dec. 21 that more turbines need to be removed or relocated. It issued a
new list of 309 targeted turbines, plus 102 more if the wind companies
refuse to continue a current, temporary shutdown of all their windmills
into February. The wind operators had previously agreed to a two-month
shutdown, for November and December."
New turbine designs? "full repowering would cost about $1 billion."
"Truth emerges more readily from error than from confusion." Francis Bacon
NRDC 2/1/06: “Whatever the various merits of solar, wind, nuclear, et al,
they have nothing to do with reducing our oil dependence.”
San Francisco Chronicle
January 2, 2008
'THE DEADLY TOLL OF WIND POWER'
"Despite yearlong effort to curb bird deaths by turbines on the Altamont
Pass, many still have perished"
"Known officially as the Scientific Review Committee, the panel agreed
Dec. 21 that more turbines need to be removed or relocated. It issued a
new list of 309 targeted turbines, plus 102 more if the wind companies
refuse to continue a current, temporary shutdown of all their windmills
into February. The wind operators had previously agreed to a two-month
shutdown, for November and December."
New turbine designs? "full repowering would cost about $1 billion."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: An answer in the wind
In response to: An answer in the wind
"While Cape Wind has been touting the financial benefits its project would hold for consumers by locking in rates over a long term period, the DEIS admits this is a doubtful possibility. In the just released federal document, MMS consultant Lessly Goudarzi, CEO and Managing Director of OnLocation, Inc./Energy Systems Consulting, reported: “Given the estimated cost of energy is $122/MWh, twice that of the current market and that this is after the full benefit of tax and RPS incentives, the prospects of entering a long-term purchase power contract would seem low.”
Sources; MMS consultant Lessly Goudarzi
Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound
Sources; MMS consultant Lessly Goudarzi
Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: An answer in the wind
In response to: An answer in the wind
FPL Energy, Altamont's biggest operator with 2,000 turbines spokesperson states:
"Certainly the turbine owners hope fewer, taller turbines reduce collisions," says FPL spokesman Steve Stengel. "But there has not been research done to verify that."
'Altamont Pass Settlement Fails to Reduce Bird Kills'
Written By: H. Sterling Burnett, Ph.D.Published In: Environment NewsPublication Date: March 1, 2008Publisher: The Heartland Institute
"A January 2007 settlement agreement intended to reduce the number of bird deaths from wind turbines at Altamont Pass, California is failing, scientists report."
"Responding to environmental concerns that spawned a federal lawsuit, operators of the installation agreed in January 2007 to a series of measures designed to reduce the roughly 1,700 to 4,700 bird deaths at Altamont Pass each year."
San Francisco Chronicle, front page; January 2, 2008:
'THE DEADLY TOLL OF WIND POWER'
“Despite yearlong effort to curb bird deaths by turbines on the Altamont Pass, many still have perished…”
"Certainly the turbine owners hope fewer, taller turbines reduce collisions," says FPL spokesman Steve Stengel. "But there has not been research done to verify that."
'Altamont Pass Settlement Fails to Reduce Bird Kills'
Written By: H. Sterling Burnett, Ph.D.Published In: Environment NewsPublication Date: March 1, 2008Publisher: The Heartland Institute
"A January 2007 settlement agreement intended to reduce the number of bird deaths from wind turbines at Altamont Pass, California is failing, scientists report."
"Responding to environmental concerns that spawned a federal lawsuit, operators of the installation agreed in January 2007 to a series of measures designed to reduce the roughly 1,700 to 4,700 bird deaths at Altamont Pass each year."
San Francisco Chronicle, front page; January 2, 2008:
'THE DEADLY TOLL OF WIND POWER'
“Despite yearlong effort to curb bird deaths by turbines on the Altamont Pass, many still have perished…”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: An answer in the wind
In response to: An answer in the wind
Parties to the Altamont suit see the comparison with the APWRA and Cape Wind, Tim.
"Cape wind is about the blood of eagles not politics as usual with Senator Edward M. Kennedy and Attorney
General Thomas F. Reilly as the Globe's recent coverage. Siting wind turbines in a major bird fly way chops large hawks and eagles up like large birdy
blenders. I know about this because my organization is suing the County of Alameda California over its
approval of Conditional Use Permits for thousands wind turbines located in the Altamont Pass Wind Resources
Area that are killing thousands of these birds every year. My organization CAlifornians for Renewable
Energy, Inc. (CARE) is taking on the wind industry because the blood of eagles gives wind energy a black
eye. Wind energy is all about location. Don't forget Enron got started in the wind industry in the Altamont
Pass California."
Michael Boyd-President-CARE 5/27/06
"Cape wind is about the blood of eagles not politics as usual with Senator Edward M. Kennedy and Attorney
General Thomas F. Reilly as the Globe's recent coverage. Siting wind turbines in a major bird fly way chops large hawks and eagles up like large birdy
blenders. I know about this because my organization is suing the County of Alameda California over its
approval of Conditional Use Permits for thousands wind turbines located in the Altamont Pass Wind Resources
Area that are killing thousands of these birds every year. My organization CAlifornians for Renewable
Energy, Inc. (CARE) is taking on the wind industry because the blood of eagles gives wind energy a black
eye. Wind energy is all about location. Don't forget Enron got started in the wind industry in the Altamont
Pass California."
Michael Boyd-President-CARE 5/27/06
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS DEIS DOA – Disaster on Arrival
In response to: MMS DEIS DOA – Disaster on Arrival
"What does Jim's original claim have to do with reality?" Exactly, Maverick! Even Cape Wind supporters should agree that Nantucket Sound is too valuable as a resource for us to be operating under the assumption that this developers' claims are facts related to impact on the environment and/or ratepayers and taxpayers.
"...a greater investigation into the financing of these kinds of projects would seem a key improvement to the analysis." is a supreme understatement.
TRC on TRC, (they produced the MMS DEIS):
“We did not timely file with the SEC our Forms 10 K for fiscal 2006 and 2005, or our interim reports on Forms 10-Q fro the quarterly periods ended September 30, 2006 and December 31, 2006. Consequently, we are not compliant with the reporting requirements under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934…”
and this continues on page 13:
“We may have difficulty retaining our clients and obtaining new clients and in obtaining project bonding.”
That's a loaded detail.
"...a greater investigation into the financing of these kinds of projects would seem a key improvement to the analysis." is a supreme understatement.
TRC on TRC, (they produced the MMS DEIS):
“We did not timely file with the SEC our Forms 10 K for fiscal 2006 and 2005, or our interim reports on Forms 10-Q fro the quarterly periods ended September 30, 2006 and December 31, 2006. Consequently, we are not compliant with the reporting requirements under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934…”
and this continues on page 13:
“We may have difficulty retaining our clients and obtaining new clients and in obtaining project bonding.”
That's a loaded detail.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS DEIS DOA – Disaster on Arrival
In response to: MMS DEIS DOA – Disaster on Arrival
Well stated, Maverick!
Cape Wind makes the claim that the cost of their power would be lower and affordable, contrary to the high power costs we are facing now.
Cape Wind cites oil and natural gas costs. Yet, it is now clear that this offshore power plant is offering costs that are twice as high as conventional fuels.
Why should ratepayers and taxpayers support this gift to a developer of a no bid lease for a $1.7 billion project on public waters that will enrich his investors while delivering power that is twice as expensive?
Cape Wind has made the assertion that their project will create jobs. Yet, they don't specify that that they are not full time and permanent; and they would go to out of state workers; while Cape Wind would put MA fishermen out of their "work place".
Cape Wind would not lead to the closure of fossil fuel plants such as Canal Electric.
“Cape Wind will not supply consistent electricity without constructing a second "peaking plant."
Bill Koch WSJ 5/22/06
Cape Wind makes the claim that the cost of their power would be lower and affordable, contrary to the high power costs we are facing now.
Cape Wind cites oil and natural gas costs. Yet, it is now clear that this offshore power plant is offering costs that are twice as high as conventional fuels.
Why should ratepayers and taxpayers support this gift to a developer of a no bid lease for a $1.7 billion project on public waters that will enrich his investors while delivering power that is twice as expensive?
Cape Wind has made the assertion that their project will create jobs. Yet, they don't specify that that they are not full time and permanent; and they would go to out of state workers; while Cape Wind would put MA fishermen out of their "work place".
Cape Wind would not lead to the closure of fossil fuel plants such as Canal Electric.
“Cape Wind will not supply consistent electricity without constructing a second "peaking plant."
Bill Koch WSJ 5/22/06
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS DEIS DOA – Disaster on Arrival
In response to: MMS DEIS DOA – Disaster on Arrival
Jim Gordon had a huge PR push for the release of the MMS DEIS.
He knew the contents, knew when it would come out, and knew the cost issues would emerge and potentially damage his project.
So, Cape Wind swamped the media with their own positive spin on the environmental aspects of the assessment.
Cape Wind needs to divert attention away from the project Achilles, project economics that are unfavorable to ratepayers and taxpayers.
Cape Wind proponents advocate that the MMS DEIS be considered as fact when it supports the project; and that we ignore the devilish economic details.
Peter is not so easily distracted, or dismissed as his concern should be our concern.
The Cape Wind economic issue needs airing and public debate. Especially now that 3 U.S. offshore wind projects have been scrapped due to anticipated ratepayer burden.
He knew the contents, knew when it would come out, and knew the cost issues would emerge and potentially damage his project.
So, Cape Wind swamped the media with their own positive spin on the environmental aspects of the assessment.
Cape Wind needs to divert attention away from the project Achilles, project economics that are unfavorable to ratepayers and taxpayers.
Cape Wind proponents advocate that the MMS DEIS be considered as fact when it supports the project; and that we ignore the devilish economic details.
Peter is not so easily distracted, or dismissed as his concern should be our concern.
The Cape Wind economic issue needs airing and public debate. Especially now that 3 U.S. offshore wind projects have been scrapped due to anticipated ratepayer burden.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS DEIS DOA – Disaster on Arrival
In response to: MMS DEIS DOA – Disaster on Arrival
Thank you, Peter, for sharing your excellent analysis of the MMS DEIS.
"Goudarzi states that Cape Wind's estimated production cost will be double the current market paid for electricity and, "...this is after the full benefit of tax and RPS incentives..." This, the review states, makes the likelihood of Gordon getting long-term power contracts "low."
Until the wind industry succeeds in pushing through an extension in the wind PTC, it's unlikely that Cape Wind will want to sign a PPA. Whatever the PPA price is that Cape Wind is trying to get, they would have to increase that price by $0.02 per kWh if the PTC is not available.
"Goudarzi states that Cape Wind's estimated production cost will be double the current market paid for electricity and, "...this is after the full benefit of tax and RPS incentives..." This, the review states, makes the likelihood of Gordon getting long-term power contracts "low."
Until the wind industry succeeds in pushing through an extension in the wind PTC, it's unlikely that Cape Wind will want to sign a PPA. Whatever the PPA price is that Cape Wind is trying to get, they would have to increase that price by $0.02 per kWh if the PTC is not available.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: OCS Alternative Energy and Alternate Use Programmatic EIS released
In response to: OCS Alternative Energy and Alternate Use Programmatic EIS released
November 13, 2007/PSC Docket No. 06-241:
"The LIPA proposal was cancelled due to its high cost. The question that must be asked is why Delmarva’s SOS customers should be forced into paying an above-market premium to Bluewater that is 400% higher than the per customer above-market impact that was considered too much of an burden to place upon the utility customers of New York? The answer to that question is simple: Delmarva’s SOS customers should not be shouldered with such a burden."
Why should Cape Cod residents shoulder the Cape Wind ratepayer burden?
The Natural Resource Defense Council states that wind energy has nothing to do with reducing our dependency on fossil fuel.
New jobs? For turbine repair? How many permanent jobs would be created by Cape Wind? Significantly fewer than those lost by Cape Wind, if any would be created.
"The LIPA proposal was cancelled due to its high cost. The question that must be asked is why Delmarva’s SOS customers should be forced into paying an above-market premium to Bluewater that is 400% higher than the per customer above-market impact that was considered too much of an burden to place upon the utility customers of New York? The answer to that question is simple: Delmarva’s SOS customers should not be shouldered with such a burden."
Why should Cape Cod residents shoulder the Cape Wind ratepayer burden?
The Natural Resource Defense Council states that wind energy has nothing to do with reducing our dependency on fossil fuel.
New jobs? For turbine repair? How many permanent jobs would be created by Cape Wind? Significantly fewer than those lost by Cape Wind, if any would be created.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Is Free Willy Vinick freeing himself?
In response to: Is Free Willy Vinick freeing himself?
Are all coastal areas suitable for an industrial scale wind facility?
Charles Vinick is a leader, visionary, and light years ahead of most. His depth of understanding of complex issues that range from ocean policy to environmental concerns are what he has drawn upon in making his determination that Nantucket Sound is not suitable as a site chosen by Cape Wind. Charles remains engaged, committed, and confident that Cape Wind will be defeated in Nantucket Sound. There are many who share his vision for long term protection of Nantucket Sound. None of us will work so tirelessly and effectively as Charles Vinick has.
Thank you for providing Charles Vinick's statement, Cape Cod Today.
Charles Vinick is a leader, visionary, and light years ahead of most. His depth of understanding of complex issues that range from ocean policy to environmental concerns are what he has drawn upon in making his determination that Nantucket Sound is not suitable as a site chosen by Cape Wind. Charles remains engaged, committed, and confident that Cape Wind will be defeated in Nantucket Sound. There are many who share his vision for long term protection of Nantucket Sound. None of us will work so tirelessly and effectively as Charles Vinick has.
Thank you for providing Charles Vinick's statement, Cape Cod Today.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Is Free Willy Vinick freeing himself?
In response to: Is Free Willy Vinick freeing himself?
Nonsense, creative interpretation, Charles Vinick hasn't altered his position on wind energy.
The facts don't support Cape Wind any more than the majority of Cape and Islanders' support Cape Wind.
The ominous cloud is above Cape Wind, and the best defense is a good offense.
More interesting is what's behind the offense, silence. Cape Wind and economics is nowhere mentioned except by Glenn Wattley.
What is Cape Wind's secret mathematical formula that separates this offshore proposal from the three US offshore wind projects now shelved due to bad economics?
Ratepayers deserve to know the truth.
The facts don't support Cape Wind any more than the majority of Cape and Islanders' support Cape Wind.
The ominous cloud is above Cape Wind, and the best defense is a good offense.
More interesting is what's behind the offense, silence. Cape Wind and economics is nowhere mentioned except by Glenn Wattley.
What is Cape Wind's secret mathematical formula that separates this offshore proposal from the three US offshore wind projects now shelved due to bad economics?
Ratepayers deserve to know the truth.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...
In response to: Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...
The scale is off as the Christmas lights would appear as pencil points. It would have been even more effective with plane parts. Shipwrecks, SSA, Hy-Line logo would be consistent with testimony. Dead birds, up to 6,600 per year is a challenging element to add to this well done editorial cartoon.
The endangered mammals and birds would be driven from their habitat and that is well depicted by the artist.
'Nantucket Sound Ghost of Christmas Future' is haunting.
The endangered mammals and birds would be driven from their habitat and that is well depicted by the artist.
'Nantucket Sound Ghost of Christmas Future' is haunting.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: The Boston Globe endorses McCain, Obama
In response to: The Boston Globe endorses McCain, Obama
Jack Coleman wrote in October:
"McCain was instrumental last year in thwarting an effort by Kennedy, aided by Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens and Congressman Don Young (architects of the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere") in their attempt to derail Cape Wind through backroom machinations in Congress."
Where was McCain when backroom machinations resulted in a "no bid" deal for Cape Wind for Nantucket Sound in the Energy Policy Act of 2005?
Does McCain consider Deval's threat to tweak Chapter 91 governing said project to be in the public interest?
Cape Wind does not comply with the law, so they have friends in high places prepared to change the law.
The less you know about Cape Wind, the more you support Cape Wind.
"McCain was instrumental last year in thwarting an effort by Kennedy, aided by Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens and Congressman Don Young (architects of the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere") in their attempt to derail Cape Wind through backroom machinations in Congress."
Where was McCain when backroom machinations resulted in a "no bid" deal for Cape Wind for Nantucket Sound in the Energy Policy Act of 2005?
Does McCain consider Deval's threat to tweak Chapter 91 governing said project to be in the public interest?
Cape Wind does not comply with the law, so they have friends in high places prepared to change the law.
The less you know about Cape Wind, the more you support Cape Wind.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: An earlier reaction to aesthetics in a sacred place
In response to: An earlier reaction to aesthetics in a sacred place
Jack:
The term "Romance Industry" takes on new meaning. This is industry, and to suggest that it is compatable with Nantucket Sound ignores the obvious multiple conflicts presented by this project as proposed by a private developer.
Do you expect me to consider for a moment that you are not aware of the multitude of adverse impacts presented by this project in a heavily traveled navigational corridor? You're too intelligent to ignore Hy-Line, SSA, Barnstable Airport officials, Nantucket Airport and M.V. airport officials; and MA Fishermen's Partnership along with many others who state that Cape Wind is "lethal" and "puts fishermen at risk."
Shall we erect monuments to heritage tradesmen, by name, begining with Gosnold who named Cape Cod, and identify their family members, and include this generation of Nantucket Sound fishermen and women put out of business by Cape Wind on a monument?
What about a monument to plane crash victims? "Lethal" conveys they're not predicted to survive.
A monument to the wild scenic beauty that once was?
Thousands of birds killed?
The term "Romance Industry" takes on new meaning. This is industry, and to suggest that it is compatable with Nantucket Sound ignores the obvious multiple conflicts presented by this project as proposed by a private developer.
Do you expect me to consider for a moment that you are not aware of the multitude of adverse impacts presented by this project in a heavily traveled navigational corridor? You're too intelligent to ignore Hy-Line, SSA, Barnstable Airport officials, Nantucket Airport and M.V. airport officials; and MA Fishermen's Partnership along with many others who state that Cape Wind is "lethal" and "puts fishermen at risk."
Shall we erect monuments to heritage tradesmen, by name, begining with Gosnold who named Cape Cod, and identify their family members, and include this generation of Nantucket Sound fishermen and women put out of business by Cape Wind on a monument?
What about a monument to plane crash victims? "Lethal" conveys they're not predicted to survive.
A monument to the wild scenic beauty that once was?
Thousands of birds killed?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Whose Ox Is Being Gored?
In response to: Whose Ox Is Being Gored?
Thank you, Peter. The public ox is being gored.
IF the public tolerates this indeed.
We are fearful, the planets are aligned, and now our lawmakers are poised to divest us of our coastline and transfer the same to big energy and industry. How clever they are to require us to subsidize their theft of our resource as tax and ratepayers.
We have a serious threat to the Public Trust as well as to public interdependency with Nantucket Sound in practical and historic terms. We have left our lawmakers to a task, and they are failing to hold our resources in trust for our benefit. They have assumed this task as if they’re playing Monopoly and that greed is good. The consequence is unfathomable.
Google: Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington. Go to: "Beyond Delay"
And note the first name under that list of “22 most corrupt members of Congress.”
This Cape Wind favorable language saw no public hearings or debate.
Do you happen to know if the then chairman of the Senate Natural Resources and Energy Committee and Jim Gordon were friends?
IF the public tolerates this indeed.
We are fearful, the planets are aligned, and now our lawmakers are poised to divest us of our coastline and transfer the same to big energy and industry. How clever they are to require us to subsidize their theft of our resource as tax and ratepayers.
We have a serious threat to the Public Trust as well as to public interdependency with Nantucket Sound in practical and historic terms. We have left our lawmakers to a task, and they are failing to hold our resources in trust for our benefit. They have assumed this task as if they’re playing Monopoly and that greed is good. The consequence is unfathomable.
Google: Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington. Go to: "Beyond Delay"
And note the first name under that list of “22 most corrupt members of Congress.”
This Cape Wind favorable language saw no public hearings or debate.
Do you happen to know if the then chairman of the Senate Natural Resources and Energy Committee and Jim Gordon were friends?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Long Island wind project may not be dead in water
In response to: Long Island wind project may not be dead in water
Jack C.
Elvis may not be dead either :)
Captain Jack:
Great point on the Power Purchase Agreement PPA that Cape Wind does not have as of yesterday.
AP 11/20:
"In May, the PSC, [Public Service Commission], along with the state budget director, controller general and environmental secretary, directed Delmarva to negotiate a power purchase agreement with Bluewater Wind, which wants to build a wind farm off the Sussex County coast. Officials also ordered that Delmarva negotiate with Conectiv and NRG Energy for a backup natural gas facility to provide power to southern Delaware when the wind doesn't blow."
Charles:
Would Cape Wind take Mirant offline? Or will Cape Wind require a back up power plant somewhere "North of Boston"?
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Elvis may not be dead either :)
Captain Jack:
Great point on the Power Purchase Agreement PPA that Cape Wind does not have as of yesterday.
AP 11/20:
"In May, the PSC, [Public Service Commission], along with the state budget director, controller general and environmental secretary, directed Delmarva to negotiate a power purchase agreement with Bluewater Wind, which wants to build a wind farm off the Sussex County coast. Officials also ordered that Delmarva negotiate with Conectiv and NRG Energy for a backup natural gas facility to provide power to southern Delaware when the wind doesn't blow."
Charles:
Would Cape Wind take Mirant offline? Or will Cape Wind require a back up power plant somewhere "North of Boston"?
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Interior Department dawdles while gas burns
In response to: Interior Department dawdles while gas burns
I ask what Mav is asking, "Show us the savings."
Angela Kelly, Country Guardian, based on a German report: "Wind power is three times more expensive than conventional electricity. It is a scandalous waste of taxpayers' money."
The Delaware offshore project was projected to hike ratepayers' bills by $55.00 per month.
The greater the risks, the greater the rewards as Jim Gordon knew when risking $30 million.
Hang in there, Mav, the Sound will look the same way it does now in ten years from now according to my sources.
Angela Kelly, Country Guardian, based on a German report: "Wind power is three times more expensive than conventional electricity. It is a scandalous waste of taxpayers' money."
The Delaware offshore project was projected to hike ratepayers' bills by $55.00 per month.
The greater the risks, the greater the rewards as Jim Gordon knew when risking $30 million.
Hang in there, Mav, the Sound will look the same way it does now in ten years from now according to my sources.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Buzzards Bay is protected from a major oil-barge spill but Nantucket Sound is not
In response to: Buzzards Bay is protected from a major oil-barge spill but Nantucket Sound is not
EPA:
“Scientific research and experience with actual spills have shown that spills of animal fats and vegetable oils kill or injure fish, birds, mammals, and other species and produce other undesirable effects."
"Spills of animal fats and vegetable oils have the same or similar devastating impacts on the aquatic environment as petroleum oils.”
Marine vessel traffic would be increased by Cape Wind. That would require dredging, cranes, installation ships, helicopters, barges, and pile driving vibratory hammers that you fail to consider adds to your concerns expressed about the Great Gull.
The Alliance recognizes that Cape Wind is a massive industrial project posing greater threats than the present threats as many others also understand.
“Scientific research and experience with actual spills have shown that spills of animal fats and vegetable oils kill or injure fish, birds, mammals, and other species and produce other undesirable effects."
"Spills of animal fats and vegetable oils have the same or similar devastating impacts on the aquatic environment as petroleum oils.”
Marine vessel traffic would be increased by Cape Wind. That would require dredging, cranes, installation ships, helicopters, barges, and pile driving vibratory hammers that you fail to consider adds to your concerns expressed about the Great Gull.
The Alliance recognizes that Cape Wind is a massive industrial project posing greater threats than the present threats as many others also understand.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: 3 in 5 on Cape Cod & Islands now approve wind farm
In response to: 3 in 5 on Cape Cod & Islands now approve wind farm
Thank you, Jack, for your balanced coverage.
Clean Power Now is desperate as Cape Wind has predictably failed to meet the minimum performance standards of the CCC. Barbara Hill of Clean Power Now’s outrageous accusation hurled at CCC members indicates just how desperate CPN has become; and the lengths to which they will go to force the Cape Wind square peg in the federal donut-hole.
The CSI survey was perfectly summarized by Audra Parker as "biased" and "inconsistent.” CPN has once again added their distinctive spin that is refuted by MFP that calls on Cape Wind to “stop making false claims” about Cape Wind’s threat to their trade.
The CSI media conference title: "Cape Wind survey/global warming flooding" news event” is just more of the same "propaganda cloaked as a survey" as Cliff Carroll has stated.
The reality, as noted by Bill Koch is that:
“Altogether, taxpayers would subsidize Cape Wind to the tune of $72 million a year, passed on to the consumer as higher electricity rates. If it happened, Cape Cod residents' electricity bills would go up by $440 per year.”
Clean Power Now is desperate as Cape Wind has predictably failed to meet the minimum performance standards of the CCC. Barbara Hill of Clean Power Now’s outrageous accusation hurled at CCC members indicates just how desperate CPN has become; and the lengths to which they will go to force the Cape Wind square peg in the federal donut-hole.
The CSI survey was perfectly summarized by Audra Parker as "biased" and "inconsistent.” CPN has once again added their distinctive spin that is refuted by MFP that calls on Cape Wind to “stop making false claims” about Cape Wind’s threat to their trade.
The CSI media conference title: "Cape Wind survey/global warming flooding" news event” is just more of the same "propaganda cloaked as a survey" as Cliff Carroll has stated.
The reality, as noted by Bill Koch is that:
“Altogether, taxpayers would subsidize Cape Wind to the tune of $72 million a year, passed on to the consumer as higher electricity rates. If it happened, Cape Cod residents' electricity bills would go up by $440 per year.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod Commission gives thumbs down to Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission gives thumbs down to Cape Wind
Thank you, Maverick, for your continuing contribution of truth to this debate. You have interesting support regarding your challenge of statements made here by Charles Kleekamp, representing Clean Power Now, and his claim, "In denying the application for the Cape Wind project the Cape Cod Commission has tragically and shamefully ignored the benefits of it’s impact on reducing global warming..."
Mark Rodgers of Cape Wind backs your claim, Maverick, while contradicting the VP of Clean Power Now.
Your comment, "It will do nothing to reduce global warming and please prove it will lower electric bills on the Cape."
Mark Rodgers, June 23, 2006, Cape Cinema in Dennis;
“I agree with Charles [Vinick], Cape Wind will have no affect on Global Warming.”
Well done as always, Maverick! Special thanks to Neil Good for providing this quote, and to Mark Rodgers for correcting the VP of Clean Power Now.
Mark Rodgers of Cape Wind backs your claim, Maverick, while contradicting the VP of Clean Power Now.
Your comment, "It will do nothing to reduce global warming and please prove it will lower electric bills on the Cape."
Mark Rodgers, June 23, 2006, Cape Cinema in Dennis;
“I agree with Charles [Vinick], Cape Wind will have no affect on Global Warming.”
Well done as always, Maverick! Special thanks to Neil Good for providing this quote, and to Mark Rodgers for correcting the VP of Clean Power Now.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod Commission gives thumbs down to Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission gives thumbs down to Cape Wind
Chuck:
The Minimum Performance Standard MPS is what Cape Wind has not met. The Cape Cod Commission Members enforce MPS, and Cape Wind failed to deliver what is required to satisfy MPS.
If there is anything that is tragic and shameful, it is CPN calling the Cape Cod Commission bought and biased because Cape Wind has failed to produce information required by a reviewing agency. While CPN represents the interests' of a private developer, the Cape Cod Commission is dutiful in their protection of Cape Cod residents and this environment.
Maverick cites misleading claims made by the wind industry and by Cape Wind and CPN...please add this correction as your misinformation that Cape Wind would help us to "regain our energy independence" is just that.
NRDC 2/1/06: “Whatever the various merits of solar, wind, nuclear, et al,
they have nothing to do with reducing our oil dependence.”
The Minimum Performance Standard MPS is what Cape Wind has not met. The Cape Cod Commission Members enforce MPS, and Cape Wind failed to deliver what is required to satisfy MPS.
If there is anything that is tragic and shameful, it is CPN calling the Cape Cod Commission bought and biased because Cape Wind has failed to produce information required by a reviewing agency. While CPN represents the interests' of a private developer, the Cape Cod Commission is dutiful in their protection of Cape Cod residents and this environment.
Maverick cites misleading claims made by the wind industry and by Cape Wind and CPN...please add this correction as your misinformation that Cape Wind would help us to "regain our energy independence" is just that.
NRDC 2/1/06: “Whatever the various merits of solar, wind, nuclear, et al,
they have nothing to do with reducing our oil dependence.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind statement about the Commission's vote today
In response to: Cape Wind statement about the Commission's vote today
Jim Gordon:
“With the price of oil approaching $90 per barrel, increasing calls for energy independence..."
NRDC 2/1/06: “Whatever the various merits of solar, wind, nuclear, et al,
they have nothing to do with reducing our oil dependence.”
Glenn Schleede:
"US Department of Energy (DOE) and DOE's National Renewable Energy "Laboratory" (NREL) -- using our tax dollars -- has been highly successful in misleading the media, public, Congress and other federal and state regulators and legislators about the costs & benefits of wind energy. The advocates have grossly overstated the benefits of wind energy, and greatly underestimated the environmental, ecological, economic, scenic and property value costs of wind energy.
The false and misleading claims by the advocates have led to government policies, programs and regulations that are detrimental to the interests of consumers and taxpayers."
“With the price of oil approaching $90 per barrel, increasing calls for energy independence..."
NRDC 2/1/06: “Whatever the various merits of solar, wind, nuclear, et al,
they have nothing to do with reducing our oil dependence.”
Glenn Schleede:
"US Department of Energy (DOE) and DOE's National Renewable Energy "Laboratory" (NREL) -- using our tax dollars -- has been highly successful in misleading the media, public, Congress and other federal and state regulators and legislators about the costs & benefits of wind energy. The advocates have grossly overstated the benefits of wind energy, and greatly underestimated the environmental, ecological, economic, scenic and property value costs of wind energy.
The false and misleading claims by the advocates have led to government policies, programs and regulations that are detrimental to the interests of consumers and taxpayers."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod Commission gives thumbs down to Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission gives thumbs down to Cape Wind
While I'm not "of" the Cape as Barbara Hill confines her outrageous statement, I think that she should produce the "evidence" to support her serious charge that the Cape Cod Commission has been bought.
She hasn't produced any "evidence" to support her claim, and I would ask that Barbara Hill back up her disparaging remarks made against the Cape Cod Commission members.
What evidence has she, never mind "all the evidence" that she suggests supports her charge that the Cape Cod Commission has been bought?
She hasn't produced any "evidence" to support her claim, and I would ask that Barbara Hill back up her disparaging remarks made against the Cape Cod Commission members.
What evidence has she, never mind "all the evidence" that she suggests supports her charge that the Cape Cod Commission has been bought?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod Commission gives thumbs down to Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission gives thumbs down to Cape Wind
Jack,
Well done, comprehensive, and balanced reporting.
I thought Commissioner Doherty made a very good point about their frustration with Cape Wind that has failed to produce what the CCC is required by MPS to obtain. He expressed to fellow Board members and the audience that Cape Wind should not be expected to produce post construction if they don't perform during the application phase.
The Cape Cod Commission members were more than insulted last night by Barbara Hill representing Clean Power Now. Her comments were so disparaging and out of line I think she should have been directed to leave the Hearing. The 10 people who walked out with her have endorsed Barbara Hill's serious accusation.
The verbal assault directed at Cape Cod Commission members by Barbara Hill as representative of CPN was deplorable. Those walking out with Ms. Hill endorsed the unacceptable.
I thought that I couldn't be more distant in my opinion of Cape Wind as supported by Clean Power Now. I hadn’t considered how distant I could be from CPN in terms of methodology. Or, how embarrassed I could be for them by theirs prior to last night.
Sammy, your word choice is disturbing.
Well done, comprehensive, and balanced reporting.
I thought Commissioner Doherty made a very good point about their frustration with Cape Wind that has failed to produce what the CCC is required by MPS to obtain. He expressed to fellow Board members and the audience that Cape Wind should not be expected to produce post construction if they don't perform during the application phase.
The Cape Cod Commission members were more than insulted last night by Barbara Hill representing Clean Power Now. Her comments were so disparaging and out of line I think she should have been directed to leave the Hearing. The 10 people who walked out with her have endorsed Barbara Hill's serious accusation.
The verbal assault directed at Cape Cod Commission members by Barbara Hill as representative of CPN was deplorable. Those walking out with Ms. Hill endorsed the unacceptable.
I thought that I couldn't be more distant in my opinion of Cape Wind as supported by Clean Power Now. I hadn’t considered how distant I could be from CPN in terms of methodology. Or, how embarrassed I could be for them by theirs prior to last night.
Sammy, your word choice is disturbing.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Delahunt changes venue for forum on climate change - and closes it to the public
In response to: Delahunt changes venue for forum on climate change - and closes it to the public
You're producing theories, Jack.
If you contact Harvard, they will tell you that Congressman Delahunt did not appear there because the main speaker, Matthias Machnig, was ill and could not participate.
If you contact Harvard, they will tell you that Congressman Delahunt did not appear there because the main speaker, Matthias Machnig, was ill and could not participate.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
Wind bigots are reguired to keep wind worshippers in check, Carl, aka Zolgon.
If wind turbines are sited in the path of migratory birds by Cape Wind, they would kill thousands of birds per year, not a handful as you suggest. It is a strange solution that you propose to save wildlife, one that kills them, and that would not not reduce, or affect our dependency on fossil fuel.
As Neil Good's information states, the benefits of this energy source are overstated to the extent that a wind entreprenueur was just indicted for overstating such benefits.
It's high time that those who overstate the benefits of this industry are held accountable for misleading the public.
Chapter 93 A addresses unfair and deceptive business practices. Perhaps, Cape Wind should defend overstated benefits of this project under Chapter 93 A.
I would be best if the full Cape Cod Commission accepts the recommendation of the subcommittee, and they deny Cape Wind.
If wind turbines are sited in the path of migratory birds by Cape Wind, they would kill thousands of birds per year, not a handful as you suggest. It is a strange solution that you propose to save wildlife, one that kills them, and that would not not reduce, or affect our dependency on fossil fuel.
As Neil Good's information states, the benefits of this energy source are overstated to the extent that a wind entreprenueur was just indicted for overstating such benefits.
It's high time that those who overstate the benefits of this industry are held accountable for misleading the public.
Chapter 93 A addresses unfair and deceptive business practices. Perhaps, Cape Wind should defend overstated benefits of this project under Chapter 93 A.
I would be best if the full Cape Cod Commission accepts the recommendation of the subcommittee, and they deny Cape Wind.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
I've found a pearl in your Oyster, Jack, "Gordon's heresy will not be tolerated." We're making progress.
I am opposed to Cashman's project, and I have contacted the Globe about it.
Levinson wrote:
"Pritchard also raised concerns that Cashman's proposed location ``is both within and proximate to the breeding, nesting and foraging habitats of the roseate tern, a state and federally protected endangered species." Echoing concerns raised by the Massachusetts Audubon Society and state wildlife officials, Pritchard wrote, ``it is uncertain whether avian mortality and habitat impact could be adequately mitigated."
Endangered birds in Nantucket Sound and Buzzards Bay deserve equal treatment, enforcement of the laws that protect them.
I am opposed to Cashman's project, and I have contacted the Globe about it.
Levinson wrote:
"Pritchard also raised concerns that Cashman's proposed location ``is both within and proximate to the breeding, nesting and foraging habitats of the roseate tern, a state and federally protected endangered species." Echoing concerns raised by the Massachusetts Audubon Society and state wildlife officials, Pritchard wrote, ``it is uncertain whether avian mortality and habitat impact could be adequately mitigated."
Endangered birds in Nantucket Sound and Buzzards Bay deserve equal treatment, enforcement of the laws that protect them.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: The Great Atlantic Flyway ... that doesn't pass over Nantucket Sound
In response to: The Great Atlantic Flyway ... that doesn't pass over Nantucket Sound
Jack:
Why not accept Maverick's gracious offer to spend an evening watching birds migrate across Horseshoe Shoal?
If Maverick would allow me to join you both, I'll buy the Red Bull.
Carl:
Maverick is not a liar. His knowledge about his environment apparently intimidates you, otherwise, why would you digress, and attack him personally in verse?
Why not accept Maverick's gracious offer to spend an evening watching birds migrate across Horseshoe Shoal?
If Maverick would allow me to join you both, I'll buy the Red Bull.
Carl:
Maverick is not a liar. His knowledge about his environment apparently intimidates you, otherwise, why would you digress, and attack him personally in verse?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: The Great Atlantic Flyway ... that doesn't pass over Nantucket Sound
In response to: The Great Atlantic Flyway ... that doesn't pass over Nantucket Sound
Said Jack the matador waving the red flag to the bull, "I thought you'd like this one."
Why ignore wind tower siting guidelines developed to reduce avian mortalities?
Reference: Killer Wind by Joe Eaton, Earth Island Institute; excepts
“The federally protected Roseate tern restoration sites surround the Horeshoe Shoal. The roseate and common tern feed, breed and rest all around the Sound. The roseate tern crosses Horseshoe Shoal and feeds mostly over the shoals.”
“And then there’s the roseate tern, a federal endangered species. Nisbet has studied these graceful seabirds since 1970 and helped lead their recovery program. It’s because of the roseates, along with the state-listed common tern and the threatened piping plover, that the American Bird Conservancy has designated Cape Cod and the nearby islands as an Important Bird Area.”
Dr. Frey's testimony:
"Identification of important bird areas.”
“These areas should be off-limits to wind development unless adequate preventative measures can be discovered to minimize incidental take of protected bird species."
Why ignore wind tower siting guidelines developed to reduce avian mortalities?
Reference: Killer Wind by Joe Eaton, Earth Island Institute; excepts
“The federally protected Roseate tern restoration sites surround the Horeshoe Shoal. The roseate and common tern feed, breed and rest all around the Sound. The roseate tern crosses Horseshoe Shoal and feeds mostly over the shoals.”
“And then there’s the roseate tern, a federal endangered species. Nisbet has studied these graceful seabirds since 1970 and helped lead their recovery program. It’s because of the roseates, along with the state-listed common tern and the threatened piping plover, that the American Bird Conservancy has designated Cape Cod and the nearby islands as an Important Bird Area.”
Dr. Frey's testimony:
"Identification of important bird areas.”
“These areas should be off-limits to wind development unless adequate preventative measures can be discovered to minimize incidental take of protected bird species."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Delahunt’s deepwater deceptions
In response to: Delahunt’s deepwater deceptions
Wendy and Chuck:
The World Wind Energy Association 2005:
"Future of Deep Offshore Wind Farming Is Bright"
"The prospects for deep offshore wind farming are very bright indeed.
As the industry matures, costs continue to come down and the 5 MW WTG becomes more stable, the benefits of siting wind farms offshore become clear.
We are approaching a point where the benefits are tipping the challenges of deep offshore wind farming at a rapid rate.
We reckon that during the next 36 months this alternative and innovative way of generating renewable energy will become the norm rather than the exception."
This was two years ago. I'll defer to the World Wind Energy Association as the source on the stage of development of this technology.
The World Wind Energy Association 2005:
"Future of Deep Offshore Wind Farming Is Bright"
"The prospects for deep offshore wind farming are very bright indeed.
As the industry matures, costs continue to come down and the 5 MW WTG becomes more stable, the benefits of siting wind farms offshore become clear.
We are approaching a point where the benefits are tipping the challenges of deep offshore wind farming at a rapid rate.
We reckon that during the next 36 months this alternative and innovative way of generating renewable energy will become the norm rather than the exception."
This was two years ago. I'll defer to the World Wind Energy Association as the source on the stage of development of this technology.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: The Great Atlantic Flyway ... that doesn't pass over Nantucket Sound
In response to: The Great Atlantic Flyway ... that doesn't pass over Nantucket Sound
Jack, you dickens.
MA Audubon; DEIS/Cape Wind:
"This area of Nantucket Sound is within the eastern U.S. migratory bird flyway and hosts high concentrations of wintering waterfowl, and is in close proximity to nesting, foraging and staging areas for federally endangered roseate terns and threatened piping plovers. Substantial numbers of federally endangered sea turtles and protected marine mammal species frequent the proposed project site. In addition, the proposed site provides habitat for federally regulated finfish and shellfish populations."
Greg Butcher, National Audubon’s director of bird conservation:
"The exact reasons for the improvement are a matter of debate, but collisions seem far fewer when wind farms keep out of major flyways and give a wide berth to rich prey sites like Altamont and attractive bird habitats such as wetlands.
The DOI/USFWS: "--Avoid placing turbines in documented locations of any species of wildlife, fish, or plant protected under the ESA. -- Avoid locating turbines in known local bird-migration pathways or in areas where birds are highly concentrated, unless mortality risk is low (e.g., birds rarely enter the rotor-swept area).”
MA Audubon; DEIS/Cape Wind:
"This area of Nantucket Sound is within the eastern U.S. migratory bird flyway and hosts high concentrations of wintering waterfowl, and is in close proximity to nesting, foraging and staging areas for federally endangered roseate terns and threatened piping plovers. Substantial numbers of federally endangered sea turtles and protected marine mammal species frequent the proposed project site. In addition, the proposed site provides habitat for federally regulated finfish and shellfish populations."
Greg Butcher, National Audubon’s director of bird conservation:
"The exact reasons for the improvement are a matter of debate, but collisions seem far fewer when wind farms keep out of major flyways and give a wide berth to rich prey sites like Altamont and attractive bird habitats such as wetlands.
The DOI/USFWS: "--Avoid placing turbines in documented locations of any species of wildlife, fish, or plant protected under the ESA. -- Avoid locating turbines in known local bird-migration pathways or in areas where birds are highly concentrated, unless mortality risk is low (e.g., birds rarely enter the rotor-swept area).”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Delahunt’s deepwater deceptions
In response to: Delahunt’s deepwater deceptions
Jack, my goals, a couple of them at least.
A. Keep Nantucket Sound wind turbine free.
B. Deflect as many wind turbines as possible, from the immediate vicinity, until a white paper analysis concludes them to be beneficial.
C. Offer a voice to the up to 6,600 birds per year that would die by Cape Wind turbines if it is constructed against wind tower siting guidelines in Nantucket Sound. I assume that the birds will approve of my representing their interest as they don't want to die during migration over wind towers.
The avian life, including endangered species are committed to death by Cape Wind. It's perverse, to me, that MA Audubon's condition of their preliminary approval of Cape Wind is a multi million dollar contract.
That they fail to disclose this wind fall as a Cape Wind reviewing agency, is outrageous, Anti-Audubon activity.
A. Keep Nantucket Sound wind turbine free.
B. Deflect as many wind turbines as possible, from the immediate vicinity, until a white paper analysis concludes them to be beneficial.
C. Offer a voice to the up to 6,600 birds per year that would die by Cape Wind turbines if it is constructed against wind tower siting guidelines in Nantucket Sound. I assume that the birds will approve of my representing their interest as they don't want to die during migration over wind towers.
The avian life, including endangered species are committed to death by Cape Wind. It's perverse, to me, that MA Audubon's condition of their preliminary approval of Cape Wind is a multi million dollar contract.
That they fail to disclose this wind fall as a Cape Wind reviewing agency, is outrageous, Anti-Audubon activity.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Delahunt’s deepwater deceptions
In response to: Delahunt’s deepwater deceptions
Thank you, Chuck, for settling the issue.
You concede that the deepwater wind energy technology does in fact exist, and that the earth is round.
Chuck, your concern is that the cost of this technology is too expensive.
In other words, it’s about the money. Phew, thank God, Cape Wind at $2 billion, underwriten by ratepayers, is a bargain, (and our rates are going down?).
What makes you think the Europeans will only build a few of these turbines? Do you have some inside report?
Or, could it be that the cable and infrastructure is being built to support more turbines--in the designated deep water sites?
Or, does the concept of zoning sound too strange?
Maybe the concept of phasing construction has yet to be discovered here in the USA?
If they are going to develop thousands of megawatts of offshore wind in deepwater, they’re supposed to do it all at once?
You should head to Europe to advise them how to do deepwater wind the correct way. Wendy should join you.
You concede that the deepwater wind energy technology does in fact exist, and that the earth is round.
Chuck, your concern is that the cost of this technology is too expensive.
In other words, it’s about the money. Phew, thank God, Cape Wind at $2 billion, underwriten by ratepayers, is a bargain, (and our rates are going down?).
What makes you think the Europeans will only build a few of these turbines? Do you have some inside report?
Or, could it be that the cable and infrastructure is being built to support more turbines--in the designated deep water sites?
Or, does the concept of zoning sound too strange?
Maybe the concept of phasing construction has yet to be discovered here in the USA?
If they are going to develop thousands of megawatts of offshore wind in deepwater, they’re supposed to do it all at once?
You should head to Europe to advise them how to do deepwater wind the correct way. Wendy should join you.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
Brilliantly summarized, Christy, I love it!!! We have the Big Dig whistleblower, blowing the whistle on Cape Wind, how rich, how true, Christy, thank you.
If you liked the Big Dig, you'll love Cape Wind---
In 1986 the BIG Dig was projected to cost $2.3 Billion. From that date to present day the following agencies have had oversight of the project:
Executive Office of Transportation
Mass Highway
Massachusetts State Auditor
Massachusetts Inspector General
Massachusetts Attorney General
House Transportation Committee
Senate Transportation Commitee
Massachusetts Turnpike Authority
US Senate Committee on Commerce
US House Transportation Committee
US Department of Transportation
US Federal Highway Administration
Today the Project Cost exceeds $15Billion---the Project is riddled with mistakes.
The new players regarding overight are:
FBI
DOT Inspector General
US Department of Justice
Please, let the Cape Cod Commission do its job with regard to Cape Wind. If one of the above had, the Commonwealth would not be the laughingstock of the county regarding the Big Dig. CCC protect Cape Cod.
If you liked the Big Dig, you'll love Cape Wind---
In 1986 the BIG Dig was projected to cost $2.3 Billion. From that date to present day the following agencies have had oversight of the project:
Executive Office of Transportation
Mass Highway
Massachusetts State Auditor
Massachusetts Inspector General
Massachusetts Attorney General
House Transportation Committee
Senate Transportation Commitee
Massachusetts Turnpike Authority
US Senate Committee on Commerce
US House Transportation Committee
US Department of Transportation
US Federal Highway Administration
Today the Project Cost exceeds $15Billion---the Project is riddled with mistakes.
The new players regarding overight are:
FBI
DOT Inspector General
US Department of Justice
Please, let the Cape Cod Commission do its job with regard to Cape Wind. If one of the above had, the Commonwealth would not be the laughingstock of the county regarding the Big Dig. CCC protect Cape Cod.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Delahunt’s deepwater deceptions
In response to: Delahunt’s deepwater deceptions
If deepwater is such a bad idea…
Why did the state MTC and Greg Watson develop a plan for deep water wind, and a plan to create an offshore wind collaborative to develop deepwater?
Why are European companies building 5 and 6 MW turbines for deep water offshore wind?
Why would an entire nation, like Germany, zone all of the North Sea for deepwater wind?
Maybe Wendy ought to get is touch with Germany and other European nations, and let them know they have it all wrong.
If deepwater is such a bad idea, why does MMS present the South of Tuckernuck option as an alternative site?
People need to get their anti deepwater wind energy stories straight. First, we are told that deep water technology is 15 years away. Now, we have these projects popping up in Europe and elsewhere. So, the new line is its too expensive. So, when the LIPA project went under, the spin began, the project is in deep water and it’s too expensive.
How can a technology be too expensive if it’s not supposed to exist?
If the technology is not supposed to exist, then maybe Wendy ought to call up MMS.
Why did the state MTC and Greg Watson develop a plan for deep water wind, and a plan to create an offshore wind collaborative to develop deepwater?
Why are European companies building 5 and 6 MW turbines for deep water offshore wind?
Why would an entire nation, like Germany, zone all of the North Sea for deepwater wind?
Maybe Wendy ought to get is touch with Germany and other European nations, and let them know they have it all wrong.
If deepwater is such a bad idea, why does MMS present the South of Tuckernuck option as an alternative site?
People need to get their anti deepwater wind energy stories straight. First, we are told that deep water technology is 15 years away. Now, we have these projects popping up in Europe and elsewhere. So, the new line is its too expensive. So, when the LIPA project went under, the spin began, the project is in deep water and it’s too expensive.
How can a technology be too expensive if it’s not supposed to exist?
If the technology is not supposed to exist, then maybe Wendy ought to call up MMS.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Delahunt’s deepwater deceptions
In response to: Delahunt’s deepwater deceptions
European counties like the UK, Germany, and Spain are zoning their coastal waters, identifying the preferred sites for wind projects and setting guidelines for all projects.
In Germany, while we have debated Cape Wind, that have already zoned the North Sea, and the Baltic Sea. Future offshore wind farms will be further offshore and in deeper water with larger and more powerful 5MW turbines.
It is expected that 1,500 megawatts of deep water wind will be developed by in the next 4 years.
The World Wind Energy Council says that deepwater wind will soon be the norm.
Some in the USA say this technology may be 10 to 15 years away. That may be the case here, but the technology is real. Projects are being developed now in Europe. The initial test sites are being used to help design future facilities.
Congressman Delahunt says that if we are to compete and wind in this segment of the offshore wind energy business, we need to create the zoning and financial incentives now.
In Germany, while we have debated Cape Wind, that have already zoned the North Sea, and the Baltic Sea. Future offshore wind farms will be further offshore and in deeper water with larger and more powerful 5MW turbines.
It is expected that 1,500 megawatts of deep water wind will be developed by in the next 4 years.
The World Wind Energy Council says that deepwater wind will soon be the norm.
Some in the USA say this technology may be 10 to 15 years away. That may be the case here, but the technology is real. Projects are being developed now in Europe. The initial test sites are being used to help design future facilities.
Congressman Delahunt says that if we are to compete and wind in this segment of the offshore wind energy business, we need to create the zoning and financial incentives now.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: "National treasure" is regional sewer
In response to: "National treasure" is regional sewer
Imco35:
Why not start a petition drive to have EPA region 1, and EOEA Bowles Second to support the designation all of Nantucket Sound as a no discharge zone?
The petition should request that funds be made available for pump out facilities.
Bittersweet:
There should be a distinct separation of issues that pertain to responsible stewardship of our waterway; and the introduction of vertical obstructions that threaten public safety, according to most commercial navigators of this waterway. Respondents to Cape Wind's adverse impact include all three airports on record opposed to Cape Wind due to its "lethal" potential, (Barnstable airport official's term).
Why not start a petition drive to have EPA region 1, and EOEA Bowles Second to support the designation all of Nantucket Sound as a no discharge zone?
The petition should request that funds be made available for pump out facilities.
Bittersweet:
There should be a distinct separation of issues that pertain to responsible stewardship of our waterway; and the introduction of vertical obstructions that threaten public safety, according to most commercial navigators of this waterway. Respondents to Cape Wind's adverse impact include all three airports on record opposed to Cape Wind due to its "lethal" potential, (Barnstable airport official's term).
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: "National treasure" is regional sewer
In response to: "National treasure" is regional sewer
The suggestion made here is that we should condemn Nantucket Sound entirely by industrialization as a "regional sewer."
Boston Globe:
"But the ferry boat operators who are among the leading opponents of the wind farm in Nantucket Sound have been flushing their toilets in it."
Slanted? Overwhelming evidence, presented by SSA, Hy-Line, and others, exists to support the finding by the MMS and reviewing agencies that Cape Wind presents a public safety hazard. The testimony of SSA is echoed by all three airports, with Barnstable Airport calling Cape Wind "lethal."
This irresponsible journalistic slant on the part of a Globe staffer suggests that SSA testimony is politically motivated, or tainted. Three million ferry passengers traveling annually through a “veritable outhouse”!? These are the same passengers that would be imperiled by Cape Wind’s proposed wind turbines according to the Port Captain of the SSA.
I agree with Susan Nickerson of the Alliance who advocates that ferry operators build pump-out stations.
Boston Globe:
"But the ferry boat operators who are among the leading opponents of the wind farm in Nantucket Sound have been flushing their toilets in it."
Slanted? Overwhelming evidence, presented by SSA, Hy-Line, and others, exists to support the finding by the MMS and reviewing agencies that Cape Wind presents a public safety hazard. The testimony of SSA is echoed by all three airports, with Barnstable Airport calling Cape Wind "lethal."
This irresponsible journalistic slant on the part of a Globe staffer suggests that SSA testimony is politically motivated, or tainted. Three million ferry passengers traveling annually through a “veritable outhouse”!? These are the same passengers that would be imperiled by Cape Wind’s proposed wind turbines according to the Port Captain of the SSA.
I agree with Susan Nickerson of the Alliance who advocates that ferry operators build pump-out stations.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind Commission hearing extended to Monday
In response to: Cape Wind Commission hearing extended to Monday
South Coast Today July 25, 2006
LETTER: MA Audubon is inconsistent
"...MA Audubon has challenged Cape Wind to accept an Adaptive Management Plan that includes rigorous monitoring, beginning at the construction phase and continuing at least three years post construction; to be funded by Cape Wind; with contributions from independent institutions and government agencies as appropriate.
I wish to challenge Mass Audubon to answer one question: What agency do they suggest should be eligible to bid on, or awarded this lucrative, long-term monitoring contract if Cape Wind is permitted in Nantucket Sound?”
BARBARA DURKIN
Northboro
The Answer:
South Coast Today August 3, 2006
LETTER RESPONSE: BY TABER D. ALLISON vice president of Conservation Science and Ecological Management for Mass Audubon:
"We don't understand Ms. Durkin's closing question."
It was nice to see you at the CCC Hearing, Jack.
MA Audubon's condition of their preliminary approval of Cape Wind is a multi million dollar "monitoring" contract.
LETTER: MA Audubon is inconsistent
"...MA Audubon has challenged Cape Wind to accept an Adaptive Management Plan that includes rigorous monitoring, beginning at the construction phase and continuing at least three years post construction; to be funded by Cape Wind; with contributions from independent institutions and government agencies as appropriate.
I wish to challenge Mass Audubon to answer one question: What agency do they suggest should be eligible to bid on, or awarded this lucrative, long-term monitoring contract if Cape Wind is permitted in Nantucket Sound?”
BARBARA DURKIN
Northboro
The Answer:
South Coast Today August 3, 2006
LETTER RESPONSE: BY TABER D. ALLISON vice president of Conservation Science and Ecological Management for Mass Audubon:
"We don't understand Ms. Durkin's closing question."
It was nice to see you at the CCC Hearing, Jack.
MA Audubon's condition of their preliminary approval of Cape Wind is a multi million dollar "monitoring" contract.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Response to Senator Kennedy, Unabridged
In response to: Response to Senator Kennedy, Unabridged
Margarettr1692:
You made an excellent point using the data tower as an example of what one can see from the shore. Consider the scale of the data tower is miniscule by comparison to the actual towers.
They would blight the nightime view more than they would blight the daytime view.
If you stand on the beach in Buzzards Bay, and look across at Marion, 8 miles away, you can better imagine the blight Cape Wind poses.
Buzz:
Great suggestion,"If a wind farm is the answer, why don't you lead the charge and find a more suitable location for it?"
You made an excellent point using the data tower as an example of what one can see from the shore. Consider the scale of the data tower is miniscule by comparison to the actual towers.
They would blight the nightime view more than they would blight the daytime view.
If you stand on the beach in Buzzards Bay, and look across at Marion, 8 miles away, you can better imagine the blight Cape Wind poses.
Buzz:
Great suggestion,"If a wind farm is the answer, why don't you lead the charge and find a more suitable location for it?"
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Globe book review today had a big error in it
In response to: Globe book review today had a big error in it
Where is the abutters list that Cape Wind failed to produce which in turn prevented the Cape Cod Commission from conducting proper Notice for Hearing on the Cape Wind FEIR?
That information might answer your question, Peter.
I agree with the point you're making--the objections to this project are vast and held by the rich as well as the not so rich.
Cape Wind would produce some of the most expensive electricity in the world. Rich NIMBYs would be the only people who could afford the rate increase.
New York Times 7/07/07
Nicholas G. Boulukos
“This opposition is bolstered by the economic facts of the project - according to previously confidential documents obtained by Newsday, energy from the proposed wind plant would cost Long Island ratepayers as much as double the wholesale cost of energy.”
That information might answer your question, Peter.
I agree with the point you're making--the objections to this project are vast and held by the rich as well as the not so rich.
Cape Wind would produce some of the most expensive electricity in the world. Rich NIMBYs would be the only people who could afford the rate increase.
New York Times 7/07/07
Nicholas G. Boulukos
“This opposition is bolstered by the economic facts of the project - according to previously confidential documents obtained by Newsday, energy from the proposed wind plant would cost Long Island ratepayers as much as double the wholesale cost of energy.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Sea Sea Breeze at Cape Wind site during times of highest electric demand
In response to: Sea Sea Breeze at Cape Wind site during times of highest electric demand
10 days since 2004? What happened to the rest of the data recorded on the other 700-800 days? If the data is so convincing, why not release if not promote the fully recorded data results to the public?
Three days per year does not translate to 75% of the Cape's Electricity needs being met.
The Data Tower permit required that the data collected be forwarded to a specified party by previously determined schedule, and required a modification of the permit otherwise as I recall under the USACE review, and the data tower permit specifications.
If the full data was favorable, Cape Wind would release and promote the full data.
What they don't say is frequently more telling.
Energy independence is a very subjective term. Imagined or actual route to independence? I view Cape Wind as an imagined route to energy independence.
Three days per year does not translate to 75% of the Cape's Electricity needs being met.
The Data Tower permit required that the data collected be forwarded to a specified party by previously determined schedule, and required a modification of the permit otherwise as I recall under the USACE review, and the data tower permit specifications.
If the full data was favorable, Cape Wind would release and promote the full data.
What they don't say is frequently more telling.
Energy independence is a very subjective term. Imagined or actual route to independence? I view Cape Wind as an imagined route to energy independence.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
"In other words, in spite of wind turbines producing a quantity of power equivalent to more than 20 per cent of its domestic consumption, very little of this power is actually consumed in west Denmark. I have calculated that in 2003, more than 80 per cent of wind output was exported, leaving west Denmark to consume about 4 per cent of its power from its enormous capacity of wind turbines.
There is an added irony here. The Danish consumer pays the highest tariffs for electricity in Europe. Much of these are hypothecated for the support of windmill owners. However, the wind power is sold on the spot market at rates that are much lower.
Thus there is a direct transfer of wealth from Danish consumers to consumers in Sweden, Norway and Germany, every time 1kWh of electricity is sold in this way. During 2003, this net transfer of wealth amounted to more than £100m – or £40 per inhabitant."
Hugh Sharman
DK-9370 Hals
Denmark
There is an added irony here. The Danish consumer pays the highest tariffs for electricity in Europe. Much of these are hypothecated for the support of windmill owners. However, the wind power is sold on the spot market at rates that are much lower.
Thus there is a direct transfer of wealth from Danish consumers to consumers in Sweden, Norway and Germany, every time 1kWh of electricity is sold in this way. During 2003, this net transfer of wealth amounted to more than £100m – or £40 per inhabitant."
Hugh Sharman
DK-9370 Hals
Denmark
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
Professor David Bellamy:
"Huge amounts of tax payers money for scant environmental and electrical benefit make them a scam. Wind-farms are inefficient, destroy the landscape and far more could be achieved through energy efficiency. If you lagged the roofs of 500 homes it would have the effect of putting up one turbine. They can only work 30% of the time at very best, in Denmark it is only 17%. We have to keep other stations running, spinning in reserve, inefficiently pouring out carbon dioxide and sulphur dioxide. These turbines are 22 storeys high put on hills where everyone can see them. They kill bats and birds and need 1,000 tonnes of concrete as well as a road infrastructure. It beggars belief that some environmental groups can say they are 'green'."
"Huge amounts of tax payers money for scant environmental and electrical benefit make them a scam. Wind-farms are inefficient, destroy the landscape and far more could be achieved through energy efficiency. If you lagged the roofs of 500 homes it would have the effect of putting up one turbine. They can only work 30% of the time at very best, in Denmark it is only 17%. We have to keep other stations running, spinning in reserve, inefficiently pouring out carbon dioxide and sulphur dioxide. These turbines are 22 storeys high put on hills where everyone can see them. They kill bats and birds and need 1,000 tonnes of concrete as well as a road infrastructure. It beggars belief that some environmental groups can say they are 'green'."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
Cape Wind Kool-Aid antidotes:
Henning Rasmussen, Danish engineer:
“When the wind arrives on or two hours later than forecast, we get nothing and we have to ask our neighbors to rescue us.”
Gundolf Dany, chief engineer at Aachen:
“Until we invent a way of storing huge amounts of electricity, wind energy can never be relevant to our future.”
Sir Martin Holdgate, former chairman of the British Renewable Energy Advisory Group:
“The trouble with wind farms is that they have a huge spatial footprint for a piddling little bit of electricity..."
Richard Courtney:
Reviewer for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
“Wind farms are "environmentally damaging money wasters whose large scale use increases power demand. The New Age dream of a world operated by wind farms will remain a dream because the laws of physics do not allow it in an industrialized world. If wind power were economic then oil tankers would be sailing ships."
Henning Rasmussen, Danish engineer:
“When the wind arrives on or two hours later than forecast, we get nothing and we have to ask our neighbors to rescue us.”
Gundolf Dany, chief engineer at Aachen:
“Until we invent a way of storing huge amounts of electricity, wind energy can never be relevant to our future.”
Sir Martin Holdgate, former chairman of the British Renewable Energy Advisory Group:
“The trouble with wind farms is that they have a huge spatial footprint for a piddling little bit of electricity..."
Richard Courtney:
Reviewer for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
“Wind farms are "environmentally damaging money wasters whose large scale use increases power demand. The New Age dream of a world operated by wind farms will remain a dream because the laws of physics do not allow it in an industrialized world. If wind power were economic then oil tankers would be sailing ships."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
“Radar interference is no longer a theory, but a demonstrated threat confirmed by DOD that Cape Wind must acknowledge. It is now time for Cape Wind to find a more suitable site for this project.”
Thank you, Cliff, for your excellent work!
Flemming Nissen head of development at West Danish generation company ELSAM (one of Denmark’s largest energy utilities):
“Increased development of wind turbines does not reduce Danish CO2 emissions”
Neils Gram of the Danish Federation of Industries:
“In green terms windmills are a mistake and economically they make no sense…”
Jytte Kaad Jensen, chief economist for Eltra, Denmark’s biggest electricity distributor:
“In just a few years we’ve gone from some to the cheapest electricity in Europe to some of the most costly.”
Aase Madsen, an MP who chairs energy policy in the Danish Parliament, is emphatic:
“For our industry it has been a terribly expensive disaster.”
Thank you, Cliff, for your excellent work!
Flemming Nissen head of development at West Danish generation company ELSAM (one of Denmark’s largest energy utilities):
“Increased development of wind turbines does not reduce Danish CO2 emissions”
Neils Gram of the Danish Federation of Industries:
“In green terms windmills are a mistake and economically they make no sense…”
Jytte Kaad Jensen, chief economist for Eltra, Denmark’s biggest electricity distributor:
“In just a few years we’ve gone from some to the cheapest electricity in Europe to some of the most costly.”
Aase Madsen, an MP who chairs energy policy in the Danish Parliament, is emphatic:
“For our industry it has been a terribly expensive disaster.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape's Soundkeeper falls short
In response to: Cape's Soundkeeper falls short
Asked:
"Why wouldn’t they want to promote all of their organization’s efforts in protecting and restoring the pristine Sound and boast about all of their successes?"
Answered:
"After a series of calls and emails to the Soundkeeper herself, I received an antagonistic voicemail today accusing me of being "biased and unprofessional", and in short, Nickerson has refused to “participate” any longer in this series of articles so I am uncertain of the responsibilities carried out by Save Our Sound and the Soundkeeper."
"Why wouldn’t they want to promote all of their organization’s efforts in protecting and restoring the pristine Sound and boast about all of their successes?"
Answered:
"After a series of calls and emails to the Soundkeeper herself, I received an antagonistic voicemail today accusing me of being "biased and unprofessional", and in short, Nickerson has refused to “participate” any longer in this series of articles so I am uncertain of the responsibilities carried out by Save Our Sound and the Soundkeeper."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Another stealth move to block Cape Wind
In response to: Another stealth move to block Cape Wind
MA Audubon has challenged Cape Wind to accept an Adaptive Management Plan that includes rigorous monitoring, beginning at the construction phase and continuing at least three years post construction; to be funded by Cape Wind; with contributions from independent institutions and government agencies as appropriate.
I challenge MA Audubon to answer one question: What agency do they suggest should be eligible to bid on, or awarded this multi-million dollar, long-term monitoring contract, if Cape Wind is permitted in Nantucket Sound?”
Dr. Taber Allison: "Mass Audubon scientists have never concluded that up to 6,600 birds, or any number of birds, would be killed if this project is permitted."
MA Audubon's testimony to the USACE:
“By utilizing other bird mortality data provided in the DEIS, Mass Audubon staff scientists arrived at avian mortalities that ranged from 2,300 to 6,600 collision deaths per year.”
I challenge MA Audubon to answer one question: What agency do they suggest should be eligible to bid on, or awarded this multi-million dollar, long-term monitoring contract, if Cape Wind is permitted in Nantucket Sound?”
Dr. Taber Allison: "Mass Audubon scientists have never concluded that up to 6,600 birds, or any number of birds, would be killed if this project is permitted."
MA Audubon's testimony to the USACE:
“By utilizing other bird mortality data provided in the DEIS, Mass Audubon staff scientists arrived at avian mortalities that ranged from 2,300 to 6,600 collision deaths per year.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
'Selling the Wind' National Audubon:
“The fear is that with all the new wind farms rolling out, there is a new Altamont being created today,” says Greg Butcher, National Audubon’s director of bird conservation.
"The exact reasons for the improvement are a matter of debate, but collisions seem far fewer when wind farms keep out of major flyways and give a wide berth to rich prey sites like Altamont and attractive bird habitats such as wetlands."
Testimony of Donald Michael Fry, PhD Director, Pesticides and Birds Program
American Bird Conservancy
May 1, 2007
Room 1324 Longworth House Office Building:
"Identification of important bird areas.”
“These areas should be off-limits to wind development unless adequate preventative measures can be discovered to minimize incidental take of protected bird species."
"...the American Bird Conservancy has designated Cape Cod and the nearby islands as an Important Bird Area."
Killer Wind by Joe Eaton
“The fear is that with all the new wind farms rolling out, there is a new Altamont being created today,” says Greg Butcher, National Audubon’s director of bird conservation.
"The exact reasons for the improvement are a matter of debate, but collisions seem far fewer when wind farms keep out of major flyways and give a wide berth to rich prey sites like Altamont and attractive bird habitats such as wetlands."
Testimony of Donald Michael Fry, PhD Director, Pesticides and Birds Program
American Bird Conservancy
May 1, 2007
Room 1324 Longworth House Office Building:
"Identification of important bird areas.”
“These areas should be off-limits to wind development unless adequate preventative measures can be discovered to minimize incidental take of protected bird species."
"...the American Bird Conservancy has designated Cape Cod and the nearby islands as an Important Bird Area."
Killer Wind by Joe Eaton
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Another stealth move to block Cape Wind
In response to: Another stealth move to block Cape Wind
Mr. Manatee:
Get back to me when your solution, a theory, (CEC new and improved turbines probably won’t kill as many birds) is proven and reality. And please confirm with Florida Light and Power spokesperson, whose last comment contradicts yours.
You're absolutely correct in your assessment, Maverick, and I also miss Dona; and her research that was once upon a time available on Cape Cod Today.
You're comment is very funny, Maverick, "CCT Pass", and you always tell it like it is. I look forward to catching fish in Nantucket Sound on your charter in July. I'll bring lunch, and we'll have a very enjoyable time dishing and fishing.
‘Another stealth move to block Cape Wind’ may be seen by others as Chairman of House Resources Nick J. Rahall II responsible stewardship of the Public Trust. Endangered species are at risk of becoming extinct if we don't or can't (FWS) enforce the federal laws that protect them.
GO NICK!!! TELL THE AWEA THAT “MADGE” said to say “HELLO”
Get back to me when your solution, a theory, (CEC new and improved turbines probably won’t kill as many birds) is proven and reality. And please confirm with Florida Light and Power spokesperson, whose last comment contradicts yours.
You're absolutely correct in your assessment, Maverick, and I also miss Dona; and her research that was once upon a time available on Cape Cod Today.
You're comment is very funny, Maverick, "CCT Pass", and you always tell it like it is. I look forward to catching fish in Nantucket Sound on your charter in July. I'll bring lunch, and we'll have a very enjoyable time dishing and fishing.
‘Another stealth move to block Cape Wind’ may be seen by others as Chairman of House Resources Nick J. Rahall II responsible stewardship of the Public Trust. Endangered species are at risk of becoming extinct if we don't or can't (FWS) enforce the federal laws that protect them.
GO NICK!!! TELL THE AWEA THAT “MADGE” said to say “HELLO”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
Mr. Manatee:
I don't have financial interest in the outcome of the Cape Wind permitting process. I don't own property at the Cape or Islands'. I'm not renumerated in any way, shape, or form, to speak out, in my own words and/or using other's quotes, against Cape Wind. I think that NIMBYs are being dealt a very raw deal, and that's what motivates me.
Whose comments merit more scepticism, Cape Wind's or mine? Cape Wind seeks $1 billion of tax and rate payer money, and our precious resource.
FPL Energy, Altamont's biggest operator with 2,000 turbines:
"Certainly the turbine owners hope fewer, taller turbines reduce collisions," says FPL spokesman Steve Stengel. "But there has not been research done to verify that."
That "potential" (CEC), is just that.
You deceive yourself, Mr. Manatee. It's up to you to stop cavalierly spreading mistruths. I do check my facts, check yours, and more carefully check Cape Wind's.
I don't have financial interest in the outcome of the Cape Wind permitting process. I don't own property at the Cape or Islands'. I'm not renumerated in any way, shape, or form, to speak out, in my own words and/or using other's quotes, against Cape Wind. I think that NIMBYs are being dealt a very raw deal, and that's what motivates me.
Whose comments merit more scepticism, Cape Wind's or mine? Cape Wind seeks $1 billion of tax and rate payer money, and our precious resource.
FPL Energy, Altamont's biggest operator with 2,000 turbines:
"Certainly the turbine owners hope fewer, taller turbines reduce collisions," says FPL spokesman Steve Stengel. "But there has not been research done to verify that."
That "potential" (CEC), is just that.
You deceive yourself, Mr. Manatee. It's up to you to stop cavalierly spreading mistruths. I do check my facts, check yours, and more carefully check Cape Wind's.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Another stealth move to block Cape Wind
In response to: Another stealth move to block Cape Wind
Thanks, Mav, you’re the best!!!
M. Boyd of CARE:
“Part of the problem comes from the former leadership of the US House of Representatives Committee on Resources, Chairman Richard Pombo, who on October 4, 2004 sent the attached letter to the Secretary of Interior Gale Norton stating,
“I have been advised that wind energy projects have been adversely affected by reviews and assessments based on the use of this flawed document. The draft guidance should not be utilized to assess any projects by anyone until it has been revised in a manner consistent with the congressional policies on preparing regulations and guidance…. I ask that you remedy this unfortunate situation by immediately suspending the use of the interim guidance.”
CARE filed an Ethics Complaint with the California Congressional delegation in 2005 over Chairman Pombo’s Ex Parte communications with the Secretary of Interior, which where Ex Parte because Mr. Pombo’s family owns land with wind turbines on them in the APWRA..” that he failed to disclose.
M. Boyd of CARE:
“Part of the problem comes from the former leadership of the US House of Representatives Committee on Resources, Chairman Richard Pombo, who on October 4, 2004 sent the attached letter to the Secretary of Interior Gale Norton stating,
“I have been advised that wind energy projects have been adversely affected by reviews and assessments based on the use of this flawed document. The draft guidance should not be utilized to assess any projects by anyone until it has been revised in a manner consistent with the congressional policies on preparing regulations and guidance…. I ask that you remedy this unfortunate situation by immediately suspending the use of the interim guidance.”
CARE filed an Ethics Complaint with the California Congressional delegation in 2005 over Chairman Pombo’s Ex Parte communications with the Secretary of Interior, which where Ex Parte because Mr. Pombo’s family owns land with wind turbines on them in the APWRA..” that he failed to disclose.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
Carl and Georgia:
The authors were hard pressed to incorporate facts that support Cape Wind in the book by the same name.
Jim Braude of Talk 96.9 interviewed Wendy regarding her book. She told Jim that that bird kill by wind towers is wild claim being made by Cape Wind plant opponents.
Is there a plausible excuse for a science writer, who's written a book on Cape Wind, to fail to recognize or admit that birds are being killed by the thousands by wind towers?
Has it truly escaped her that this is a topic that has led to the Chairman of House Resources, Nick J. Rahall II, to introduce a bill to empower FWS to enforce species protections?
A 2004 study by the California Energy Commission reports an estimated 1,700 to 4,700 birds die each year by flying into whirling turbine blades or being electrocuted by transmission lines that thread through the 50,000-acre Altamont Wind Resource Area.
Is it any wonder why the “facts” v “fiction” Wendy reports are being challenged?
The authors were hard pressed to incorporate facts that support Cape Wind in the book by the same name.
Jim Braude of Talk 96.9 interviewed Wendy regarding her book. She told Jim that that bird kill by wind towers is wild claim being made by Cape Wind plant opponents.
Is there a plausible excuse for a science writer, who's written a book on Cape Wind, to fail to recognize or admit that birds are being killed by the thousands by wind towers?
Has it truly escaped her that this is a topic that has led to the Chairman of House Resources, Nick J. Rahall II, to introduce a bill to empower FWS to enforce species protections?
A 2004 study by the California Energy Commission reports an estimated 1,700 to 4,700 birds die each year by flying into whirling turbine blades or being electrocuted by transmission lines that thread through the 50,000-acre Altamont Wind Resource Area.
Is it any wonder why the “facts” v “fiction” Wendy reports are being challenged?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Another stealth move to block Cape Wind
In response to: Another stealth move to block Cape Wind
Michael Boyd-President of Californians for Renewable Energy:
“Bird fatalities in the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area (APWRA) in California have plagued the wind industry and clouded the public’s perceptions of whether the wind can be developed as an environmentally safe, renewable energy resource. The total number of birds killed in the APWRA is unknown, but estimates of 10,000 - 20,000 birds during the past two decades are supportable (Orloff and Flannery 1992, 1996; Thelander et. al 2002; Developing Methods to Reduce Bird Mortality in the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area - Dr. Smallwood & K. Thelander, Aug. 2004). Because of the lack of enforcement authority for the US Fish and Wildlife Service, however, these significant adverse impacts will continued to be ignored and no protection measures or management programs are in place that will reduce these fatalities, despite years of research and widespread acknowledgement of the problem. How could this happen?”
To be continued…
“Bird fatalities in the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area (APWRA) in California have plagued the wind industry and clouded the public’s perceptions of whether the wind can be developed as an environmentally safe, renewable energy resource. The total number of birds killed in the APWRA is unknown, but estimates of 10,000 - 20,000 birds during the past two decades are supportable (Orloff and Flannery 1992, 1996; Thelander et. al 2002; Developing Methods to Reduce Bird Mortality in the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area - Dr. Smallwood & K. Thelander, Aug. 2004). Because of the lack of enforcement authority for the US Fish and Wildlife Service, however, these significant adverse impacts will continued to be ignored and no protection measures or management programs are in place that will reduce these fatalities, despite years of research and widespread acknowledgement of the problem. How could this happen?”
To be continued…
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
Thanks, Maverick. We had also asked Barbara Hill to respond to the question:
"Is it your contention that the book, Cape Wind, should be considered a basis for informed decision making regarding the potential impacts of Cape Wind?"
WB:
Isn't the premise of this Post freedom of speech, book banning? Have you not taken a position against this practice of the suppression of free speech?
For God's sake, let us freely hear both sides!"
Thomas Jefferson
Perhaps I'm wrong, and this Post was actually intended to elevate the status of a book that lacks integrity and intellectual honesty.
Georgia, if Cape Wind is a bad idea once, it's a bad idea 100 times over, 100 times more damaging, and 100 times more lethal.
"Is it your contention that the book, Cape Wind, should be considered a basis for informed decision making regarding the potential impacts of Cape Wind?"
WB:
Isn't the premise of this Post freedom of speech, book banning? Have you not taken a position against this practice of the suppression of free speech?
For God's sake, let us freely hear both sides!"
Thomas Jefferson
Perhaps I'm wrong, and this Post was actually intended to elevate the status of a book that lacks integrity and intellectual honesty.
Georgia, if Cape Wind is a bad idea once, it's a bad idea 100 times over, 100 times more damaging, and 100 times more lethal.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
Georgiabearwell:
I think that the authors would be hard pressed to produce cognent reasons to support this industrial scale wind facility.
The most important public policy decisions are based on public safety. There may be negative aesthetics to Cape Wind, by our SPO, and MHC, and I think they're hideous looking, but this is all secondary to what's in the interest of the public. That would be that the public is not exposed to a "lethal" project as described by Barnstable Airport, etc.
I doubt that Jim Gordon or Mark Rodgers would verify that Cape Wind will address global warming.
Energy independence, quite simply, will not occur if Cape Wind is permitted and constructed in an Endangered Species Habitat, and an Essential Fish Habitat under current and conflicting use.
Ironically, it's amazing to me that anyone would support Cape Wind.
Cape Wind won't address global warming, or prevent massive flooding, or end global conflict.
I think that the authors would be hard pressed to produce cognent reasons to support this industrial scale wind facility.
The most important public policy decisions are based on public safety. There may be negative aesthetics to Cape Wind, by our SPO, and MHC, and I think they're hideous looking, but this is all secondary to what's in the interest of the public. That would be that the public is not exposed to a "lethal" project as described by Barnstable Airport, etc.
I doubt that Jim Gordon or Mark Rodgers would verify that Cape Wind will address global warming.
Energy independence, quite simply, will not occur if Cape Wind is permitted and constructed in an Endangered Species Habitat, and an Essential Fish Habitat under current and conflicting use.
Ironically, it's amazing to me that anyone would support Cape Wind.
Cape Wind won't address global warming, or prevent massive flooding, or end global conflict.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
Geogiabearwell:
Your viewpoint is well stated on the subject of a book that I don't consider newsworthy either. I appreciate that you have accepted the risk in stating your opinion on the book, and the project.
Under what general assumptions do you support Cape Wind; or under what facts presented by either side do you support this project?
Thank you for considering my question, and for sharing your thoughts.
Your viewpoint is well stated on the subject of a book that I don't consider newsworthy either. I appreciate that you have accepted the risk in stating your opinion on the book, and the project.
Under what general assumptions do you support Cape Wind; or under what facts presented by either side do you support this project?
Thank you for considering my question, and for sharing your thoughts.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost."
Thomas Jefferson
"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously."
Hubert Humphrey
"Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one."
A.J. Liebring
"You can cage the singer but not the song."
Harry Belafonte
"Free speech has been preserved, but its existence is disastrously curtailed if the more important means of publicity are only open to opinions which have the sanction of orthodoxy."
Bertrand Russell
“The press in Italy is free, freer than the press of any other country, so long as it supports the regime.”
Bonito Mussolini
“Walter, support free speech on Cape Cod Today by returning my comments to Last comments.”
Barbara Durkin
“The rock-bottom foundation of a free press is the integrity of the people who run it.” Adlai E. Stevenson
Thomas Jefferson
"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously."
Hubert Humphrey
"Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one."
A.J. Liebring
"You can cage the singer but not the song."
Harry Belafonte
"Free speech has been preserved, but its existence is disastrously curtailed if the more important means of publicity are only open to opinions which have the sanction of orthodoxy."
Bertrand Russell
“The press in Italy is free, freer than the press of any other country, so long as it supports the regime.”
Bonito Mussolini
“Walter, support free speech on Cape Cod Today by returning my comments to Last comments.”
Barbara Durkin
“The rock-bottom foundation of a free press is the integrity of the people who run it.” Adlai E. Stevenson
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
Maverick:
"Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude and perseverance. Let us remember that if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom."
Samuel Adams [1771]
Nantucket Sound activities include fishing, recreational boating, and navigation. Tourism fuels the economic engine of this historic and quaint seaside community. Massachusetts' 800,000 anglers generate nearly one $billion in annual economic activity. Nantucket Sound is the heart of state's fishing industry.
I look forward to catching fish, (your unalienable right), on your charter boat this summer, Maverick! You're right, it's very pretty, thanks for the pictures and all that you're doing to help SOS.
"Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude and perseverance. Let us remember that if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom."
Samuel Adams [1771]
Nantucket Sound activities include fishing, recreational boating, and navigation. Tourism fuels the economic engine of this historic and quaint seaside community. Massachusetts' 800,000 anglers generate nearly one $billion in annual economic activity. Nantucket Sound is the heart of state's fishing industry.
I look forward to catching fish, (your unalienable right), on your charter boat this summer, Maverick! You're right, it's very pretty, thanks for the pictures and all that you're doing to help SOS.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
Michael Boyd-President of CARE Californians for Renewable Energy; The Center for Biological Diversity; Golden Gate Audubon, and 4 other Audubon chapters, all stepped up to do the job of government, FWS, and the A.G. of CA, due to their failure to enforce endangered species protections that has contributed to the deaths of hundreds of federally protected birds at APWRA.
Mr. Boyd stated to me today that junk science is a significant problem as wind interests provide the data upon which critical decisions are being made. He has filed a complaint with the NAS as an NAS scientist has very close ties to the wind industry. He’s advocating for the need for objective science needed to form the basis of wind tower siting decisions. He offers that FWS wind tower guidelines need to be mandated by laws to be enforced.
Mr. Boyd stated to me today that junk science is a significant problem as wind interests provide the data upon which critical decisions are being made. He has filed a complaint with the NAS as an NAS scientist has very close ties to the wind industry. He’s advocating for the need for objective science needed to form the basis of wind tower siting decisions. He offers that FWS wind tower guidelines need to be mandated by laws to be enforced.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
In response to: Boston Phoenix jumps on "Cape Wind - the book" boycott
Bobcat:
Thanks for returning the focus to the core opposition to Cape Wind. The NIMBY mantra is a form of escapism. A means to avoid a comprehensive evaluation of benefits v costs related to Cape Wind. Proponents of Cape Wind use the term NIMBY to deflect from such concerns as expressed by David F. Scudder, Vice President of Hy-Line Cruises in his letter to Senate and House Conferees of February 26, 2006:
“On the basis of public safety concerns, we have consistently and adamantly been against the wind farm project in the Sound since its inception. Navigating Nantucket Sound in all kinds of weather and traffic conditions is challenging enough without the introduction of these structures to complicate and restrict our routes.”
"Those are the breaks my friend" and you reap what you sew, well stated as usual, Bobcat.
Thanks for returning the focus to the core opposition to Cape Wind. The NIMBY mantra is a form of escapism. A means to avoid a comprehensive evaluation of benefits v costs related to Cape Wind. Proponents of Cape Wind use the term NIMBY to deflect from such concerns as expressed by David F. Scudder, Vice President of Hy-Line Cruises in his letter to Senate and House Conferees of February 26, 2006:
“On the basis of public safety concerns, we have consistently and adamantly been against the wind farm project in the Sound since its inception. Navigating Nantucket Sound in all kinds of weather and traffic conditions is challenging enough without the introduction of these structures to complicate and restrict our routes.”
"Those are the breaks my friend" and you reap what you sew, well stated as usual, Bobcat.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
We are in a fully engaged discussion, Barbara. Is it your contention that the book, Cape Wind, should be considered a basis for informed decision making regarding the potential impacts of Cape Wind?
Cape Wind passed "Go" in the developer favorable clause slipped into the Energy Policy Act of 2005 that provided this developer with a "no bid" deal for Nantucket Sound. Cape Wind eliminated all competition for our resource. Dennis Duffy of Cape Wind testified in favor of weakening NEPA. Congressman Pombo failed to disclose his family’s interest in wind energy when he sought to tweak the law to favor wind interests. This list goes on and reflects that Cape Wind and friends, GE, AWEA, and to whomever our billion and resource would be payable to, have indeed participated in nefarious activities. That is at least according to the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington in Pombo’s case.
Cape Wind passed "Go" in the developer favorable clause slipped into the Energy Policy Act of 2005 that provided this developer with a "no bid" deal for Nantucket Sound. Cape Wind eliminated all competition for our resource. Dennis Duffy of Cape Wind testified in favor of weakening NEPA. Congressman Pombo failed to disclose his family’s interest in wind energy when he sought to tweak the law to favor wind interests. This list goes on and reflects that Cape Wind and friends, GE, AWEA, and to whomever our billion and resource would be payable to, have indeed participated in nefarious activities. That is at least according to the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington in Pombo’s case.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
We cannot afford to ignore wind industry experience or relevant laws such as the Endangered Species Act and other species protections. You have astutely drawn attention to our past failure to observe applicable laws and to enforce the same, Bobcat.
Natural Resources Committee Chairman Rahall: “…wind projects are on a regular basis in violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Endangered Species Act, yet no enforcement action is being taken."
FWS Dale Hall said, according to CongressNow staffer:
“ …because of jurisdictional limits, it is hard for the FWS to investigate violations of endangered species laws. The agency may only investigate a corporation after the fact and cannot determine whether to prosecute an offender, he said. It can only to refer the case to the U.S. District Attorney.”
"I believe if you go through all this effort to try and come up with guidelines, they should be more ecological," Hall said. "However, I don't know exactly what kind of legal authority you would have to make those guidelines."
Natural Resources Committee Chairman Rahall: “…wind projects are on a regular basis in violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Endangered Species Act, yet no enforcement action is being taken."
FWS Dale Hall said, according to CongressNow staffer:
“ …because of jurisdictional limits, it is hard for the FWS to investigate violations of endangered species laws. The agency may only investigate a corporation after the fact and cannot determine whether to prosecute an offender, he said. It can only to refer the case to the U.S. District Attorney.”
"I believe if you go through all this effort to try and come up with guidelines, they should be more ecological," Hall said. "However, I don't know exactly what kind of legal authority you would have to make those guidelines."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
Bobcat:
Wendy Williams provided the bird issue as an example of a wild claim made by Cape Wind's opponents during a recent interview with Jim Braude.
At about the same time, a Congressional Subcommittee had been formed, and a Full Legislative Hearing on this issue was underway...
“The fear is that with all the new wind farms rolling out, there is a new Altamont being created today,” says Greg Butcher, National Audubon’s director of bird conservation."
"The exact reasons for the improvement are a matter of debate, but collisions seem far fewer when wind farms keep out of major flyways and give a wide berth to rich prey sites like Altamont and attractive bird habitats such as wetlands.”
Either Wendy hasn’t done her homework, or her dog ate it. In either case, her credibility is lacking, and her book is an incredible extension of that. I don’t need to read it to know that.
Wendy Williams provided the bird issue as an example of a wild claim made by Cape Wind's opponents during a recent interview with Jim Braude.
At about the same time, a Congressional Subcommittee had been formed, and a Full Legislative Hearing on this issue was underway...
“The fear is that with all the new wind farms rolling out, there is a new Altamont being created today,” says Greg Butcher, National Audubon’s director of bird conservation."
"The exact reasons for the improvement are a matter of debate, but collisions seem far fewer when wind farms keep out of major flyways and give a wide berth to rich prey sites like Altamont and attractive bird habitats such as wetlands.”
Either Wendy hasn’t done her homework, or her dog ate it. In either case, her credibility is lacking, and her book is an incredible extension of that. I don’t need to read it to know that.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Tourism: We Can Do Better
In response to: Tourism: We Can Do Better
Protecting the Nantucket Sound viewshed from industrialization would extend benefits to; commercial fishing interests, property values, tourism, marine life, avian life, and provide for the safety of citizens. We can eliminate the threat to tourism that Cape Wind represents. Through programs like the National Trust Heritage Tourism program, we can ensure meaningful protection of unique and historic places like Nantucket Sound. Preservation of this nation’s most important scenic assets, and historic viewscapes, from the effects of haphazard development, will allow this and future generations to retain a window to our nation’s past.
The 23 member Board of Directors of the Nantucket Chamber of Commerce, along with 660 of their members, have unanimously stated by written testimony to the USACE, that Cape Wind would have an adverse impact on tourism.
Check out the renderings of the Delaware wind plant in today’s Washington Post, and join the fight against the blight on the horizon!
The 23 member Board of Directors of the Nantucket Chamber of Commerce, along with 660 of their members, have unanimously stated by written testimony to the USACE, that Cape Wind would have an adverse impact on tourism.
Check out the renderings of the Delaware wind plant in today’s Washington Post, and join the fight against the blight on the horizon!
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
SM:
There would be no problem with Cape Wind making money if Cape and Islanders' stood a chance on gaining a any return for their investment. Tie our substantial subsidies for wind towers to actual reductions, historically, in harmful emissions, and then get back to us with another site.
There would be no problem with Cape Wind making money if Cape and Islanders' stood a chance on gaining a any return for their investment. Tie our substantial subsidies for wind towers to actual reductions, historically, in harmful emissions, and then get back to us with another site.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
I’m also unapologetically opposed to Cape Wind for aesthetic reasons. Federal law provides assurance to citizens; aesthetic value is a right protected by NEPA under which Cape Wind is being reviewed.
Many of Cape Wind’s proponents rely on the NIMBY argument as the truth about Cape Wind’s conflicts threatens their dream for Nantucket Sound, Cape Wind. To many Cape and Islanders, Cape Wind is more like a nightmare.
I consider that the NIMBY argument identifies the writer or speaker using it as one who is challenged to provide anything beyond developer’s rhetoric in support of this project, and counter productive.
Thank you, Mr. Tuerck. I appreciate the antidote you have provided to this developer's endless hype.
It's never been about us, it's always been about our money and this resource.
Both of which he covets.
Many of Cape Wind’s proponents rely on the NIMBY argument as the truth about Cape Wind’s conflicts threatens their dream for Nantucket Sound, Cape Wind. To many Cape and Islanders, Cape Wind is more like a nightmare.
I consider that the NIMBY argument identifies the writer or speaker using it as one who is challenged to provide anything beyond developer’s rhetoric in support of this project, and counter productive.
Thank you, Mr. Tuerck. I appreciate the antidote you have provided to this developer's endless hype.
It's never been about us, it's always been about our money and this resource.
Both of which he covets.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
Maverick, and Neil, I agree on all points.
Cindy Lowry, director of The Oceans Public Trust Initiative: "Why can't we achieve both goals - develop alternative energy and protect our oceans - through proper procedures. Those procedures are nowhere in evidence for the review of the Cape Wind project," said Ms. Lowry. "The oceans off the coast of the United States are the public heritage of all citizens, and the federal government violates the most basic principles of environmental law when it threatens to give them away to a single developer for personal gain without authorization from Congress to do so." Lowry said she is concerned that what's happening on Nantucket Sound is just the first step in an effort to open up the oceans to development. "Make no mistake about it; this permit application for wind energy is the proverbial Pandora's box," she said. "It threatens to open the door to a massive give-away of federal lands with no compensation to the taxpayer or adequate environmental review."
Cindy Lowry, director of The Oceans Public Trust Initiative: "Why can't we achieve both goals - develop alternative energy and protect our oceans - through proper procedures. Those procedures are nowhere in evidence for the review of the Cape Wind project," said Ms. Lowry. "The oceans off the coast of the United States are the public heritage of all citizens, and the federal government violates the most basic principles of environmental law when it threatens to give them away to a single developer for personal gain without authorization from Congress to do so." Lowry said she is concerned that what's happening on Nantucket Sound is just the first step in an effort to open up the oceans to development. "Make no mistake about it; this permit application for wind energy is the proverbial Pandora's box," she said. "It threatens to open the door to a massive give-away of federal lands with no compensation to the taxpayer or adequate environmental review."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: WSJ, Times, Herald review "Cape Wind - the book", PBS Reports
In response to: WSJ, Times, Herald review "Cape Wind - the book", PBS Reports
New York Times review:
"...As unabashed cheerleaders for Cape Wind and seething with indignation at its opponents, they make no pretense of laying out the facts evenhandedly."
So much for Cape Wind, the book, being considered as a basis for informed decision making.
"...As unabashed cheerleaders for Cape Wind and seething with indignation at its opponents, they make no pretense of laying out the facts evenhandedly."
So much for Cape Wind, the book, being considered as a basis for informed decision making.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Another stealth move to block Cape Wind
In response to: Another stealth move to block Cape Wind
Congressman Nick J. Rahall, Natural Resources Committee Chairman, is a far cry from his predecessor, Congressman Pombo, as Rahall has stated, that “…wind projects are on a regular basis in violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Endangered Species Act, yet no enforcement action is being taken."
Former House Resources Chair, Richard Pombo, on the other hand, failed to disclose his family’s financial interest in wind energy when he sought overcome the obstacles that impede wind energy interests, species protections. His bill was termed Endangered Species Recovery Act, but was referred to at the anti-recovery Act. His antics led to his being called one of the most corrupt members of Congress by Citizen’s for Ethics in Government, “Beyond Delay.”
We have laws that protect the species. But as Dale Hall of FWS pointed out, they lack the necessary tools to enforce species protections. Rahall has taken action to provide them with the tools that will help FWS to enforce species protections.
Halleluiah! Go Nick!
Former House Resources Chair, Richard Pombo, on the other hand, failed to disclose his family’s financial interest in wind energy when he sought overcome the obstacles that impede wind energy interests, species protections. His bill was termed Endangered Species Recovery Act, but was referred to at the anti-recovery Act. His antics led to his being called one of the most corrupt members of Congress by Citizen’s for Ethics in Government, “Beyond Delay.”
We have laws that protect the species. But as Dale Hall of FWS pointed out, they lack the necessary tools to enforce species protections. Rahall has taken action to provide them with the tools that will help FWS to enforce species protections.
Halleluiah! Go Nick!
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
The authors’ attempt to “present fact based information” on which members of the public might arrive at their own decision concerning the merits of the project."??? The authors of this book have an agenda that doesn't serve any civic or beneficial purpose.
“The fear is that with all the new wind farms rolling out, there is a new Altamont being created today,” says Greg Butcher, National Audubon’s director of bird conservation.
"The exact reasons for the improvement are a matter of debate, but collisions seem far fewer when wind farms keep out of major flyways and give a wide berth to rich prey sites like Altamont and attractive bird habitats such as wetlands.”
Nantucket Sound is within the eastern U.S. migratory bird flyway, and it’s certainly an attractive wetland.
Thank you, Maverick. Your voice and support are truly appreciated.
Thank you for providing the National Trust position on Cape Wind, and all of your research on the Cape Wind issue, Neil.
“The fear is that with all the new wind farms rolling out, there is a new Altamont being created today,” says Greg Butcher, National Audubon’s director of bird conservation.
"The exact reasons for the improvement are a matter of debate, but collisions seem far fewer when wind farms keep out of major flyways and give a wide berth to rich prey sites like Altamont and attractive bird habitats such as wetlands.”
Nantucket Sound is within the eastern U.S. migratory bird flyway, and it’s certainly an attractive wetland.
Thank you, Maverick. Your voice and support are truly appreciated.
Thank you for providing the National Trust position on Cape Wind, and all of your research on the Cape Wind issue, Neil.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Meet the authors of the controversial new book
In response to: Meet the authors of the controversial new book
Carl:
The Energy Policy Act Savings Provision, Section 388, specifically exempts Cape Wind from having to enter a competitive marketplace that would return the highest and best price to the American public for the use of our resource. In essence, the Savings Provision is mechanism that provides “Savings” to Cape Wind at the expense of the public.
To provide a comparison…If the American public jointly owned a house, would we realize a greater return on our investment if we offered our house for sale in a competitive marketplace, or to only one buyer? Do the MMS math to determine the identity of the beneficiary here and ask, “What’s democratic about a process that creates a scenario in which a developer has no competition and is invited to select his choice location for his for profit industry proposal?
Do the citizens who now rely on and use Nantucket Sound agree with the estimated value of Nantucket Sound by MMS of $1.36 per month, per Acre in this “democratic process”?
The Energy Policy Act Savings Provision, Section 388, specifically exempts Cape Wind from having to enter a competitive marketplace that would return the highest and best price to the American public for the use of our resource. In essence, the Savings Provision is mechanism that provides “Savings” to Cape Wind at the expense of the public.
To provide a comparison…If the American public jointly owned a house, would we realize a greater return on our investment if we offered our house for sale in a competitive marketplace, or to only one buyer? Do the MMS math to determine the identity of the beneficiary here and ask, “What’s democratic about a process that creates a scenario in which a developer has no competition and is invited to select his choice location for his for profit industry proposal?
Do the citizens who now rely on and use Nantucket Sound agree with the estimated value of Nantucket Sound by MMS of $1.36 per month, per Acre in this “democratic process”?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Meet the authors of the controversial new book
In response to: Meet the authors of the controversial new book
How supercilious, Cape Mom.
The foundation of democracy is the citizens right to participate in governmental decisions. Cape Wind went “left” where the democratic process forked “right”.
“Competitive Bidding Provision”
Cape Wind, under Section 388, is also exempt from undergoing the competitive bidding process that will apply to all other offshore alternative energy developers. Thus, if approved, Cape Wind it will have acquired development rights to an immensely valuable and ecologically fragile area of the OCS, without having to compete with any other company for those rights.
Section 388 exempts Cape Wind from submitting any documents previously submitted to any federal agency before the enactment of the Energy Policy Act of 2005.
The foundation of democracy is the citizens right to participate in governmental decisions. Cape Wind went “left” where the democratic process forked “right”.
“Competitive Bidding Provision”
Cape Wind, under Section 388, is also exempt from undergoing the competitive bidding process that will apply to all other offshore alternative energy developers. Thus, if approved, Cape Wind it will have acquired development rights to an immensely valuable and ecologically fragile area of the OCS, without having to compete with any other company for those rights.
Section 388 exempts Cape Wind from submitting any documents previously submitted to any federal agency before the enactment of the Energy Policy Act of 2005.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
Thank you, Bobcat, and I agree, apples to oranges, Cape Wind can't be compared to a land based turbine. I like your word choice, "laissez-faire", French for "leave it alone", I believe.
Thank you, too, Neil and Maverick, for adding facts, insight and logic.
And, Maverick...Cape Wind would would require us to rename the Big Dig, the "Little Dig".
“Here is your country. Cherish these natural wonders, cherish the natural resources, cherish the history and romance as a sacred heritage, for your children and your children’s children. Do not let selfish men or greedy interests skin your country of its beauty, its riches or its romance.”
Theodore Roosevelt [1903].
Thank you, too, Neil and Maverick, for adding facts, insight and logic.
And, Maverick...Cape Wind would would require us to rename the Big Dig, the "Little Dig".
“Here is your country. Cherish these natural wonders, cherish the natural resources, cherish the history and romance as a sacred heritage, for your children and your children’s children. Do not let selfish men or greedy interests skin your country of its beauty, its riches or its romance.”
Theodore Roosevelt [1903].
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Auto death charge; Global warming on The Cape; Bob & Wendy, Audra & Zilch
In response to: Auto death charge; Global warming on The Cape; Bob & Wendy, Audra & Zilch
The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound provides the facts. They have no need to invent use conflicts and concerns.
Cape Wind would come with inherent risks to public safety, fishing interests, this ecosystem, avian life-some endangered, and marine life-some endangered. It would also threaten the historic integrity of NHLs, and many historic landmarks. Cape Wind would forever scar a National Treasure, and could end heritage trades, as well as present a hazard to public safety and wildlife.
It boggles the mind that Cape Wind is still under discussion considering the repeated warnings coming from local navigational authorities, and those in charge of air traffic safety.
As National Air Traffic Controllers Cape TRACON has stated:
“The evidence of endangerment to all who travel by air sea over and upon Nantucket Sound is compelling.”
I welcome the oversight and actions of the Alliance as they are acting in the interest of Nantucket Sound, its inhabitants, and the local community.
Cape Wind would come with inherent risks to public safety, fishing interests, this ecosystem, avian life-some endangered, and marine life-some endangered. It would also threaten the historic integrity of NHLs, and many historic landmarks. Cape Wind would forever scar a National Treasure, and could end heritage trades, as well as present a hazard to public safety and wildlife.
It boggles the mind that Cape Wind is still under discussion considering the repeated warnings coming from local navigational authorities, and those in charge of air traffic safety.
As National Air Traffic Controllers Cape TRACON has stated:
“The evidence of endangerment to all who travel by air sea over and upon Nantucket Sound is compelling.”
I welcome the oversight and actions of the Alliance as they are acting in the interest of Nantucket Sound, its inhabitants, and the local community.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Auto death charge; Global warming on The Cape; Bob & Wendy, Audra & Zilch
In response to: Auto death charge; Global warming on The Cape; Bob & Wendy, Audra & Zilch
One writer’s version of a discredited Alliance is another reader’s version of Nantucket Sound and inhabitants under threat by Cape Wind. The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound is leading a strong battle to defend Nantucket Sound from the threat of inappropriate development.
Audra Parker provided a solution, deep water, and Jim Braude responded favorably.
Braude understands that Cape Wind, the book, markets Cape Wind. He referred to Wendy and Robert as crusaders for this project.
Cape Wind, the book, is equivalent of the National Enquirer if you're seeking critical facts that can and must be substantiated when making critical decisions regarding a world’s largest, experimental, industrial wind project.
The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound, 4 Barnstable Rd. Hyannis, offers an antidote to the hype emanating from the book and project proponents. I hope that some will consider making a donation to the Alliance instead of endorsing the NIMBY charge by purchasing a book that can be borrowed.
Audra Parker provided a solution, deep water, and Jim Braude responded favorably.
Braude understands that Cape Wind, the book, markets Cape Wind. He referred to Wendy and Robert as crusaders for this project.
Cape Wind, the book, is equivalent of the National Enquirer if you're seeking critical facts that can and must be substantiated when making critical decisions regarding a world’s largest, experimental, industrial wind project.
The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound, 4 Barnstable Rd. Hyannis, offers an antidote to the hype emanating from the book and project proponents. I hope that some will consider making a donation to the Alliance instead of endorsing the NIMBY charge by purchasing a book that can be borrowed.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
Investors Business Daily May 7, 2007:
“The fact is that after more than 30 years and billions of dollars of government subsidies, neither wind nor solar power is economically competitive.”
“Marlo Lewis, senior fellow in environmental policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, has pointed out that after three decades and over $14 billion in taxpayer subsidies, so-called renewable energy — wind, solar and biomass fuels — together supply only 3% of America's electricity, with wind and solar providing less than 0.2 of 1 percent.”
“Touted as a means of protecting the environment from pollution, giant wind farms threaten birds and endangered species. The Center for Biological Diversity has sued wind farm operators in California's Altamont Pass where it is estimated that as many as 44,000 birds have been killed over the past 20 years. The casualties include an average of 50 golden eagles annually, by what the Sierra Club has called "the Cuisinarts of the air."
“The fact is that after more than 30 years and billions of dollars of government subsidies, neither wind nor solar power is economically competitive.”
“Marlo Lewis, senior fellow in environmental policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, has pointed out that after three decades and over $14 billion in taxpayer subsidies, so-called renewable energy — wind, solar and biomass fuels — together supply only 3% of America's electricity, with wind and solar providing less than 0.2 of 1 percent.”
“Touted as a means of protecting the environment from pollution, giant wind farms threaten birds and endangered species. The Center for Biological Diversity has sued wind farm operators in California's Altamont Pass where it is estimated that as many as 44,000 birds have been killed over the past 20 years. The casualties include an average of 50 golden eagles annually, by what the Sierra Club has called "the Cuisinarts of the air."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
Thank you, Dona, for contacting the AWEA to substantiate the fact that theirs is a trade association.
“The fear is that with all the new wind farms rolling out, there is a new Altamont being created today,” says Greg Butcher, National Audubon’s director of bird conservation. “But because we don’t have the data, we just don’t know about it."
"The first rule of avoiding negative impacts is a familiar adage: location, location, location," she added. "It is essential that industry wide environmental safeguards be developed so that each wind project can be considered on its own merits with appropriate studies before and after construction." [Audubon V.P. Betsy Loyless]
Cape Wind will die by self inflicted wounds as they have selected the wrong location, location, location.
“The fear is that with all the new wind farms rolling out, there is a new Altamont being created today,” says Greg Butcher, National Audubon’s director of bird conservation. “But because we don’t have the data, we just don’t know about it."
"The first rule of avoiding negative impacts is a familiar adage: location, location, location," she added. "It is essential that industry wide environmental safeguards be developed so that each wind project can be considered on its own merits with appropriate studies before and after construction." [Audubon V.P. Betsy Loyless]
Cape Wind will die by self inflicted wounds as they have selected the wrong location, location, location.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound has led, and continues to lead the fight to spare Nantucket Sound from inappropriate development. Cape Wind has selected the wrong site as this area is under current use that conflicts with this proposal.
We cannot afford to ignore the lesson of Altamont. Do not site turbines in a migratory flyway and an endangered species habitat; location, location, location.
We can't afford to ignore the public safety warnings coming from the experts.
In the words of the National Air Traffic Controllers Cape TRACON to the USACE:
“The evidence of endangerment to all who travel by air sea over and upon Nantucket Sound is compelling.”
Aesthetics are subjective, but I must share that I do find them to be inferior to God's handiwork by a very wide margin.
We cannot afford to ignore the lesson of Altamont. Do not site turbines in a migratory flyway and an endangered species habitat; location, location, location.
We can't afford to ignore the public safety warnings coming from the experts.
In the words of the National Air Traffic Controllers Cape TRACON to the USACE:
“The evidence of endangerment to all who travel by air sea over and upon Nantucket Sound is compelling.”
Aesthetics are subjective, but I must share that I do find them to be inferior to God's handiwork by a very wide margin.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
..."where the Endangered Species Act "presents a conflict" should be avoided in their position statements/guidelines." to clarify my last comment, thank you.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
Mr. Gray:
“Bird fatalities in the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area APWRA have plagued the industry and clouded the public perceptions of whether the wind can be developed as an environmentally safe, renewable energy resource.”
Michael Boyd-President of CARE Californians for Renewable Energy
Jeff Miller- Center for Biological Diversity.
The lesson of Altamont is that wind towers have killed thousands of birds where they were sited in migratory bird flyways. Nantucket Sound exists in the North Atlantic Flyway. It is a habitat to endangered species protected under the ESA and other species protections.
DOI/USFWS, Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, the American Bird Conservancy, MA Audubon all suggest that siting wind towers in areas where the Endangered Species Act should be avoided in their position statements/guidelines. Location, location, location, and Nantucket Sound should be an excluded from consideration as suitable for the Cape Wind industrial scale wind facility if we want to be considered good students.
“Bird fatalities in the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area APWRA have plagued the industry and clouded the public perceptions of whether the wind can be developed as an environmentally safe, renewable energy resource.”
Michael Boyd-President of CARE Californians for Renewable Energy
Jeff Miller- Center for Biological Diversity.
The lesson of Altamont is that wind towers have killed thousands of birds where they were sited in migratory bird flyways. Nantucket Sound exists in the North Atlantic Flyway. It is a habitat to endangered species protected under the ESA and other species protections.
DOI/USFWS, Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, the American Bird Conservancy, MA Audubon all suggest that siting wind towers in areas where the Endangered Species Act should be avoided in their position statements/guidelines. Location, location, location, and Nantucket Sound should be an excluded from consideration as suitable for the Cape Wind industrial scale wind facility if we want to be considered good students.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
Mr. Gray:
I followed your link and came out of my chair when I read your Post. You are misinformed regarding bird kill by turbines.
“According to a study released in 2004 by the California Energy Commission, an estimated 1,700 to 4,700 birds die each year by flying into whirling turbine blades or being electrocuted by transmission lines that thread through the 50,000-acre Altamont Wind Resource Area." "116 golden eagles, 300 red-tailed hawks, 333 American kestrels and 380 burrowing owls, the study found."
A lawsuit just was just settled that assumes 1,300 golden eagle deaths in that Livermore area each year. Chris Metinko, Inside Bay Area 4/24/07
You identify yourself as "Director of Communications for the American Wind Energy Association (AWEA)" in your site profile. You state under Industry, "non-profit". You must be kidding.
When did the AWEA become a “non-profit” industry? LOL
I followed your link and came out of my chair when I read your Post. You are misinformed regarding bird kill by turbines.
“According to a study released in 2004 by the California Energy Commission, an estimated 1,700 to 4,700 birds die each year by flying into whirling turbine blades or being electrocuted by transmission lines that thread through the 50,000-acre Altamont Wind Resource Area." "116 golden eagles, 300 red-tailed hawks, 333 American kestrels and 380 burrowing owls, the study found."
A lawsuit just was just settled that assumes 1,300 golden eagle deaths in that Livermore area each year. Chris Metinko, Inside Bay Area 4/24/07
You identify yourself as "Director of Communications for the American Wind Energy Association (AWEA)" in your site profile. You state under Industry, "non-profit". You must be kidding.
When did the AWEA become a “non-profit” industry? LOL
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Packed House Hears Eminent Speakers on Climate Change
In response to: Packed House Hears Eminent Speakers on Climate Change
Is the suggestion being made again that Cape Wind would affect global warming?
FEAR and GREED motivate the market.
Danish Trade Council: “The total value of Denmark’s energy-sector exports is around US $3- bn. a rise of 35 per cent since 1998 and 450 percent since 1992. Of the total energy export, wind turbine exports amounted to just over US$1.5 bn., corresponding to slightly less than 60 per cent.”
Florida Power and Light Group, the parent of FPL Energy, paid no income tax in 2002 and 2003, according to Citizen’s for Tax Justice, despite having revenues of $2.2 billion during those years.
Cape Wind would benefit by taxpayer and ratepayer subsidies of $1 billion; take control by possession of Nantucket Sound; while we would generously provide them with tax sheltering benefits. This isn't about public benefits. Denmark remains one of the dirtiest EU nations, but with $ 1.5 billion reasons to trumpet wind. This is about greed, and a redistribution of power and wealth from us to them.
FEAR and GREED motivate the market.
Danish Trade Council: “The total value of Denmark’s energy-sector exports is around US $3- bn. a rise of 35 per cent since 1998 and 450 percent since 1992. Of the total energy export, wind turbine exports amounted to just over US$1.5 bn., corresponding to slightly less than 60 per cent.”
Florida Power and Light Group, the parent of FPL Energy, paid no income tax in 2002 and 2003, according to Citizen’s for Tax Justice, despite having revenues of $2.2 billion during those years.
Cape Wind would benefit by taxpayer and ratepayer subsidies of $1 billion; take control by possession of Nantucket Sound; while we would generously provide them with tax sheltering benefits. This isn't about public benefits. Denmark remains one of the dirtiest EU nations, but with $ 1.5 billion reasons to trumpet wind. This is about greed, and a redistribution of power and wealth from us to them.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Waiting until the threat is imminent
In response to: Waiting until the threat is imminent
The imminent threat began when Cho was released from where he had been involuntarily committed as a danger to himself and others. One can only wonder how many incidents involving him had gone unreported before the Virginia Tech tragedies.
I think that rampages should be answered by trained snipers. Obviously, the preservation of human life is the only consideration in a crisis situation. It’s sad to consider that we are in a position to assume that at any moment a rampage can occur.
I appreciate your points about the ACLU, etc., Jack. As surely as the sun rises, they will appear to remedy a perceived injustice.
I think that rampages should be answered by trained snipers. Obviously, the preservation of human life is the only consideration in a crisis situation. It’s sad to consider that we are in a position to assume that at any moment a rampage can occur.
I appreciate your points about the ACLU, etc., Jack. As surely as the sun rises, they will appear to remedy a perceived injustice.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Following the Money
In response to: Following the Money
Bobcat,
Dr. Taber Allison of MA Audubon was a speaker at the MMS Programmatic PEIS hearing held in Newton last week. The need for the Adaptive Management Plan, we know translates to a multi-million dollar contract, was his focus. MA Audubon staff scientists arrived at up to 6,600 avian mortalities per year by Cape Wind. Dr. Allison flatly denied MA Audubon’s testimony to the USACE on bird kill.
Neil:
Jim Gordon’s donation to former Chair of the House Committee, Congressman Pombo, is interesting. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington’s report, “Beyond Delay”, mentioned Richard Pombo as on of the 13 Most Corrupt Members of Congress, documenting the egregious, unethical and possibly illegal activities of the most tainted Members of Congress.
Pombo supported legislation that personally benefited his family. He also pressed the Department of the Interior to suspend environmental guidelines, opposed by the wind-power industry, without disclosing that his family had a substantial financial stake in wind energy.
Dr. Taber Allison of MA Audubon was a speaker at the MMS Programmatic PEIS hearing held in Newton last week. The need for the Adaptive Management Plan, we know translates to a multi-million dollar contract, was his focus. MA Audubon staff scientists arrived at up to 6,600 avian mortalities per year by Cape Wind. Dr. Allison flatly denied MA Audubon’s testimony to the USACE on bird kill.
Neil:
Jim Gordon’s donation to former Chair of the House Committee, Congressman Pombo, is interesting. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington’s report, “Beyond Delay”, mentioned Richard Pombo as on of the 13 Most Corrupt Members of Congress, documenting the egregious, unethical and possibly illegal activities of the most tainted Members of Congress.
Pombo supported legislation that personally benefited his family. He also pressed the Department of the Interior to suspend environmental guidelines, opposed by the wind-power industry, without disclosing that his family had a substantial financial stake in wind energy.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
Regression is a one word definition for wind energy in the context of Cape Wind.
Cost still exceeds benefits as this is land and guzzling technology. Incalculable environmental and economic risk is inherent long term.
I don't usually buy first year model cars. I certainly don’t want a developer selected first, experimental, world’s largest, located in a site selected by the developer, without the ability to mitigate public safety issues.
This project has been referred to as “lethal” a “significant hazard to safe navigation.” All three airports and Air Traffic Controllers at Cape TRACON predict public safety issues will occur if Cape Wind is constructed. The MFP, representatives of over 3,000 MA fishermen, predict a safety hazard. The Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe states that Cape Wind would present a safety threat to their fleet.
We can have reasonably safe conditions for 3 million ferry passengers; and 400,000 air travelers, and fishermen, annually, or Cape Wind.
Cost still exceeds benefits as this is land and guzzling technology. Incalculable environmental and economic risk is inherent long term.
I don't usually buy first year model cars. I certainly don’t want a developer selected first, experimental, world’s largest, located in a site selected by the developer, without the ability to mitigate public safety issues.
This project has been referred to as “lethal” a “significant hazard to safe navigation.” All three airports and Air Traffic Controllers at Cape TRACON predict public safety issues will occur if Cape Wind is constructed. The MFP, representatives of over 3,000 MA fishermen, predict a safety hazard. The Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe states that Cape Wind would present a safety threat to their fleet.
We can have reasonably safe conditions for 3 million ferry passengers; and 400,000 air travelers, and fishermen, annually, or Cape Wind.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
Poppycock, Solon, FPL Energy, Altamont's biggest operator with 2,000 turbines, has a reponse to your claim that bird kill has been reduced by industry tower design improvements:
"Certainly the turbine owners hope fewer, taller turbines reduce collisions," says FPL spokesman Steve Stengel. "But there has not been research done to verify that."
"The Altamont is seen as a black eye in the industry nationwide and worldwide" due to the bird deaths, said Julia Levin, California policy director for the National Audubon Society.
The Alameda County Board of Supervisors approved the settlement agreement related to avian mortalities, and the law suit referred to in my earlier comment in this Post, in January 2007.
This is current information about a ongoing problem. Not old news as you suggest.
"Certainly the turbine owners hope fewer, taller turbines reduce collisions," says FPL spokesman Steve Stengel. "But there has not been research done to verify that."
"The Altamont is seen as a black eye in the industry nationwide and worldwide" due to the bird deaths, said Julia Levin, California policy director for the National Audubon Society.
The Alameda County Board of Supervisors approved the settlement agreement related to avian mortalities, and the law suit referred to in my earlier comment in this Post, in January 2007.
This is current information about a ongoing problem. Not old news as you suggest.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
A correction on math in my earlier comment, thank you.
A fine for one Golden Eagle killed by a wind tower established by CA courts is
$500,000.00 fine; multiplied by 1300 dead Golden Eagles, equals, by simplified math:
5 multiplied by 13, add seven zeros:
Total $650,000,000.00
A fine for one Golden Eagle killed by a wind tower established by CA courts is
$500,000.00 fine; multiplied by 1300 dead Golden Eagles, equals, by simplified math:
5 multiplied by 13, add seven zeros:
Total $650,000,000.00
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
Buzz:
You were not in favor of Cape Wind due to negative aesthetic impact a week or so ago.
My objections to this project include aesthetic degradation, and they continue to mount as more conflicts surface.
The number of birds killed at Altamont "unacceptable" as former A.G. of CA Bill Locklear stated to Almeda County Board of Supervisors. Altamont is a migratory path as Nantucket Sound is a migratory path.
Public safety concerns very well may spare your views in the end.
David F. Scudder, Vice President of Hy-Line Cruises in his letter to Senate and House Conferees of February 26, 2006:
“On the basis of public safety concerns, we have consistently and adamantly been against the wind farm project in the Sound since its inception. Navigating Nantucket Sound in all kinds of weather and traffic conditions is challenging enough without the introduction of these structures to complicate and restrict our routes.”
You were not in favor of Cape Wind due to negative aesthetic impact a week or so ago.
My objections to this project include aesthetic degradation, and they continue to mount as more conflicts surface.
The number of birds killed at Altamont "unacceptable" as former A.G. of CA Bill Locklear stated to Almeda County Board of Supervisors. Altamont is a migratory path as Nantucket Sound is a migratory path.
Public safety concerns very well may spare your views in the end.
David F. Scudder, Vice President of Hy-Line Cruises in his letter to Senate and House Conferees of February 26, 2006:
“On the basis of public safety concerns, we have consistently and adamantly been against the wind farm project in the Sound since its inception. Navigating Nantucket Sound in all kinds of weather and traffic conditions is challenging enough without the introduction of these structures to complicate and restrict our routes.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
The truth by as told by the California Energy Commission apparently doesn't serve your purpose, Mr. Ghost.
Michael Boyd, President of CAlifornian's for Renewable Energy, has provided me with the CA court's assigned value for the death of one Golden Eagle by a wind tower as $500,000. Consider 1300 dead Golden Eagles as a multiplier, (California Energy Commission figure), and tell me if your math works out to a $6.5 million dollar fine. I'm certain that shut downs and legal fees also compromise the economic viability of poorly sited Altamont wind towers.
Henning Gastrup, a key figure in the Danish wind industry, retired after 31 years at Elsam, when asked for his expert opinion as a planner of Horns Rev, cautions us to pay attention to bird concerns. He stated that he's seen international projects failing to make progress when bird concerns are ignored as they don't go away.
Michael Boyd, President of CAlifornian's for Renewable Energy, has provided me with the CA court's assigned value for the death of one Golden Eagle by a wind tower as $500,000. Consider 1300 dead Golden Eagles as a multiplier, (California Energy Commission figure), and tell me if your math works out to a $6.5 million dollar fine. I'm certain that shut downs and legal fees also compromise the economic viability of poorly sited Altamont wind towers.
Henning Gastrup, a key figure in the Danish wind industry, retired after 31 years at Elsam, when asked for his expert opinion as a planner of Horns Rev, cautions us to pay attention to bird concerns. He stated that he's seen international projects failing to make progress when bird concerns are ignored as they don't go away.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
By Chris Metinko, Inside Bay Area 4/24/07
“According to a study released in 2004 by the California Energy Commission, an estimated 1,700 to 4,700 birds die each year by flying into whirling turbine blades or being electrocuted by transmission lines that thread through the 50,000-acre Altamont Wind Resource Area."
The fatalities: "116 golden eagles, 300 red-tailed hawks, 333 American kestrels and 380 burrowing owls, the study found."
"A lawsuit filed against the county in October by the Golden Gate Audubon Society, Californians for Renewable Energy and four other local Audubon chapters challenged the county’s decision o renew permits for Altamont Pass wind turbines. A subsequent settlement forces the wind industry to commit to a 50 percent reduction in raptor deaths by November 2009, and remove the deadliest turbines and continuing winter shutdowns of the wind machines."
"That settlement assumes there are 1,300 golden eagles, red-tailed hawks, American kestrels and burrowing owl deaths in that Livermore area each year.”
“According to a study released in 2004 by the California Energy Commission, an estimated 1,700 to 4,700 birds die each year by flying into whirling turbine blades or being electrocuted by transmission lines that thread through the 50,000-acre Altamont Wind Resource Area."
The fatalities: "116 golden eagles, 300 red-tailed hawks, 333 American kestrels and 380 burrowing owls, the study found."
"A lawsuit filed against the county in October by the Golden Gate Audubon Society, Californians for Renewable Energy and four other local Audubon chapters challenged the county’s decision o renew permits for Altamont Pass wind turbines. A subsequent settlement forces the wind industry to commit to a 50 percent reduction in raptor deaths by November 2009, and remove the deadliest turbines and continuing winter shutdowns of the wind machines."
"That settlement assumes there are 1,300 golden eagles, red-tailed hawks, American kestrels and burrowing owl deaths in that Livermore area each year.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
Neil:
Your comment is timely as Imco35 said that he can't fathom what it would take for me to support wind energy generation.
"...wind turbine technology offers virtually no possibility of supplying a significant share of US energy requirements for the foreseeable future."
When the downside impact of wind energy generation no longer exceeds the upside of wind energy generation, I might support wind energy in some locations.
The CEO of GE admits to catering to the market for wind towers because their customers want them, so it's GE's job to produce them. What he didn't say, conspicuously, is that GE sells wind towers because they work.
Wind towers don't need to work in terms of cutting back harmful emissions, or providing a reliable source of energy. They're showy, appear to work, and are very profitable for the industry, and those dependent on the industry.
Wind energy as a solution compares to repairing a Rolex with a sledge hammer.
Your comment is timely as Imco35 said that he can't fathom what it would take for me to support wind energy generation.
"...wind turbine technology offers virtually no possibility of supplying a significant share of US energy requirements for the foreseeable future."
When the downside impact of wind energy generation no longer exceeds the upside of wind energy generation, I might support wind energy in some locations.
The CEO of GE admits to catering to the market for wind towers because their customers want them, so it's GE's job to produce them. What he didn't say, conspicuously, is that GE sells wind towers because they work.
Wind towers don't need to work in terms of cutting back harmful emissions, or providing a reliable source of energy. They're showy, appear to work, and are very profitable for the industry, and those dependent on the industry.
Wind energy as a solution compares to repairing a Rolex with a sledge hammer.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
Imco35:
I'm not saying that everywhere but Nantucket Sound is great for wind plants. Nantucket Sound is the worst place for an industrial scale wind facility.
I don't support wind energy generation presently. I remain unconvinced that citizens benefit more than developers, investors, AWEA, and so forth.
This is damage control for me.
To the editor:
Cape Wind opponents' comments do not appear under "last comments" while they appear under Posts. Would you kindly determine what the problem is?
Thank you,
Barbara Durkin
I'm not saying that everywhere but Nantucket Sound is great for wind plants. Nantucket Sound is the worst place for an industrial scale wind facility.
I don't support wind energy generation presently. I remain unconvinced that citizens benefit more than developers, investors, AWEA, and so forth.
This is damage control for me.
To the editor:
Cape Wind opponents' comments do not appear under "last comments" while they appear under Posts. Would you kindly determine what the problem is?
Thank you,
Barbara Durkin
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
“Money and corrupt government officials are hijacking our nation’s economic and environmental future.”
That’s one way to look at it.
Another way to see this is that it is due to our negligence Cape Wind has selected the wrong site for this industrial experiment. Lacking policy, such as exclusion zones, invited exploitation by a private developer of this public resource, and lacking policy. The outcry that continues to resonate after 6 years is because Cape Wind has selected the wrong site.
The best effect this book can have is to offend as this Post indicates is a purpose of this book, to be “unsettling” for season and year round residents of Martha’s Vineyard.
The reality is that while portrayed as the rich and powerful who object to Cape Wind, the rich and powerful are facing off with General Electric and the folks in the $$$multi-billion dollar food chain that stand to profit by Cape Wind’s advancement.
‘Cape Wind’ sounds like an exploitation of exploitation.
That’s one way to look at it.
Another way to see this is that it is due to our negligence Cape Wind has selected the wrong site for this industrial experiment. Lacking policy, such as exclusion zones, invited exploitation by a private developer of this public resource, and lacking policy. The outcry that continues to resonate after 6 years is because Cape Wind has selected the wrong site.
The best effect this book can have is to offend as this Post indicates is a purpose of this book, to be “unsettling” for season and year round residents of Martha’s Vineyard.
The reality is that while portrayed as the rich and powerful who object to Cape Wind, the rich and powerful are facing off with General Electric and the folks in the $$$multi-billion dollar food chain that stand to profit by Cape Wind’s advancement.
‘Cape Wind’ sounds like an exploitation of exploitation.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Imco35 et al:
I have not accepted one red cent from any life form related or not regarding my objections to Cape Wind. I’m not a NIMBY. I recognize that NEPA protects aesthetic value, among many other values not excluding public safety. And, that Cape Wind poses many threats.
The EPA has established that any oil in a marine environment is hazardous. Adding 40,000 more gallons is not a corrective measure.
The avian issue is valid.
Bill Lockyer, A.G. of CA July 6, 2005:
"The ongoing harm to protected bird species at the APWRA is serious and unacceptable." "Because the APWRA is the largest of its kind in the world, what happens here could set an important precedent for how these issues are addressed elsewhere in California and the United States."
A.G. Locklear is likely referring to Cape Wind. The Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area causes the deaths of as many as 4,700 birds per year, including red-tail hawks and Golden Eagles in a flyway as is Nantucket Sound.
I have not accepted one red cent from any life form related or not regarding my objections to Cape Wind. I’m not a NIMBY. I recognize that NEPA protects aesthetic value, among many other values not excluding public safety. And, that Cape Wind poses many threats.
The EPA has established that any oil in a marine environment is hazardous. Adding 40,000 more gallons is not a corrective measure.
The avian issue is valid.
Bill Lockyer, A.G. of CA July 6, 2005:
"The ongoing harm to protected bird species at the APWRA is serious and unacceptable." "Because the APWRA is the largest of its kind in the world, what happens here could set an important precedent for how these issues are addressed elsewhere in California and the United States."
A.G. Locklear is likely referring to Cape Wind. The Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area causes the deaths of as many as 4,700 birds per year, including red-tail hawks and Golden Eagles in a flyway as is Nantucket Sound.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
The assumption that Cape Wind would end transportation of hazardous materials or reduce oil spills defies logic. How would adding more hazardous material not increase the risk of additional damage? Introducing 40,000 gallons of hazardous material can only potentially exacerbate existing problems.
With a baseline by MA Audubon staff scientists of annual avian mortalities of up to 6,600 birds; we haven’t considered this oil spill map information to determine additional mortalities. Would a complete scientific unbiased evaluation of mortalities to wildlife based on the oil spill information, (released 10/06 by Cape Wind, but completed in 10/05), be prudent and responsible? Yes, I think, and not post construction, please.
Why compound existing problems? So that the wind industry can get its feet wet with and experimental Manhattan sized industrial project? And, they would like to add 40,000 more gallons of toxic material in a marine environment to help to remedy existing problems? Cape Wind’s plan for Chelsea is equally dubious.
With a baseline by MA Audubon staff scientists of annual avian mortalities of up to 6,600 birds; we haven’t considered this oil spill map information to determine additional mortalities. Would a complete scientific unbiased evaluation of mortalities to wildlife based on the oil spill information, (released 10/06 by Cape Wind, but completed in 10/05), be prudent and responsible? Yes, I think, and not post construction, please.
Why compound existing problems? So that the wind industry can get its feet wet with and experimental Manhattan sized industrial project? And, they would like to add 40,000 more gallons of toxic material in a marine environment to help to remedy existing problems? Cape Wind’s plan for Chelsea is equally dubious.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Susan Reid, Staff Attorney of the Conservation Law Foundation, includes “dredging” as an action to be taken by Cape Wind in her letter to Secretary Bowles. Mark Rodger’s position is that Attorney Reid is incorrect as her comments include “dredging” to Secretary Bowles on the Cape Wind FEIR.
There is no interagency liaison that tracks Cape Wind’s performance as an applicant. NE USFWS Michael Bartlett’s scoping comments on the Cape Wind project included a request for a performance time line schedule to be imposed on Cape Wind under NEPA. Cape Wind has been non-responsive to this federal regulatory agency’s request for information ongoing for four years.
Mark Rodger’s may very well be confident in Cape Wind’s ability to circumvent the legal procedural process and dredge without required permits due to this lacking oversight.
Or would Cape Wind “discover” the reasonably anticipated requirement for dredging if this project is permitted and construction is ever underway? And plead hardship, self-imposed?
There is no interagency liaison that tracks Cape Wind’s performance as an applicant. NE USFWS Michael Bartlett’s scoping comments on the Cape Wind project included a request for a performance time line schedule to be imposed on Cape Wind under NEPA. Cape Wind has been non-responsive to this federal regulatory agency’s request for information ongoing for four years.
Mark Rodger’s may very well be confident in Cape Wind’s ability to circumvent the legal procedural process and dredge without required permits due to this lacking oversight.
Or would Cape Wind “discover” the reasonably anticipated requirement for dredging if this project is permitted and construction is ever underway? And plead hardship, self-imposed?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
correction,,, date in my previous comment, CLF letter of 3/22/07 to State Secretary Ian Bowles. thanks
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Mark Rodgers is a taker.
As he considers dredging "beyond the realm of possibility" and not needed for this project.
Repeating your terms, Jack:
This wager, "of one dollar with odds of, say, 1,000 to 1? If I lose, I will gladly pay $1 to any and all people willing to accept this wager. And if they lose, they each pay me $1,000."
Is the preponderance of evidence or the completion of the project going to determine the winner here?
If it’s preponderance,,, Was Staff Attorney Susan Reid of Conservation Law Foundation in her letter to State Secretary Ian Bowles on the Cape Wind FEIR 3/33/07 misspeaking when she included “dredging” as an action to be undertaken by Cape Wind? Was Senator Ted Kennedy misspeaking when he said that Cape Wind would require dredging?
May the best man win!
As he considers dredging "beyond the realm of possibility" and not needed for this project.
Repeating your terms, Jack:
This wager, "of one dollar with odds of, say, 1,000 to 1? If I lose, I will gladly pay $1 to any and all people willing to accept this wager. And if they lose, they each pay me $1,000."
Is the preponderance of evidence or the completion of the project going to determine the winner here?
If it’s preponderance,,, Was Staff Attorney Susan Reid of Conservation Law Foundation in her letter to State Secretary Ian Bowles on the Cape Wind FEIR 3/33/07 misspeaking when she included “dredging” as an action to be undertaken by Cape Wind? Was Senator Ted Kennedy misspeaking when he said that Cape Wind would require dredging?
May the best man win!
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
When Susan Reid, Staff Attorney of the Conservation Law Foundation, includes “dredging” as an action to be taken by Cape Wind in her 3/22/07 letter to Secretary Bowles regarding the Cape Wind FEIR; there is sufficient reason to consider that dredging would be required by Cape Wind. As a public interest advocacy organization, and prominent group of lawyers, you would think that CLF would acknowledge the need for federal and state permits as they include dredging without reference to the required permits in their letter to Secretary Bowles.
Senator Kennedy has also states that Cape Wind would require dredging.
Citizen watchdogs are the backbone of the environmental movement. We can ask Susan Reid of Conservation Law Foundation why her letter of 3/27 to State Secretary Ian Bowles includes under “Water Quality” “dredging” but does not address the required federal and state permits for dredging. Citizens should ask Attorney Susan Reid of CLF if Cape Wind has filed for the required dredging permits. sreid@clf.org
Senator Kennedy has also states that Cape Wind would require dredging.
Citizen watchdogs are the backbone of the environmental movement. We can ask Susan Reid of Conservation Law Foundation why her letter of 3/27 to State Secretary Ian Bowles includes under “Water Quality” “dredging” but does not address the required federal and state permits for dredging. Citizens should ask Attorney Susan Reid of CLF if Cape Wind has filed for the required dredging permits. sreid@clf.org
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Herald: Cape Wind settled noisily in a year; Bees deserting the bogs
In response to: Herald: Cape Wind settled noisily in a year; Bees deserting the bogs
‘Cape Wind a more favorable forecast’ presents an alarming observation regarding an even more alarming decision made by State Secretary of the Environment Ian Bowles who, “waved the project past a technical but critical environmental hurdle a few weeks ago.”
Mark Rodgers is quick to point out, “Our goal is to have the project permitted by the first quarter of next year,” but what about citizen's goals?
Cape Wind presents public safety risks as well as risk to our environment and heritage trades. A “favorable forecast” for citizens of the Cape and Islands’ and the Commonwealth is wholly dependent on a considered, rational and responsible evaluation of all adverse impacts presented by Cape Wind that include risk to public safety, our wildlife, economies, and our environment.
Mark Rodgers is quick to point out, “Our goal is to have the project permitted by the first quarter of next year,” but what about citizen's goals?
Cape Wind presents public safety risks as well as risk to our environment and heritage trades. A “favorable forecast” for citizens of the Cape and Islands’ and the Commonwealth is wholly dependent on a considered, rational and responsible evaluation of all adverse impacts presented by Cape Wind that include risk to public safety, our wildlife, economies, and our environment.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Federal relief sought for fishermen
In response to: Federal relief sought for fishermen
Governor Patrick is paying lip service to fishermen, not "hearing" them.
Mass. Fishermen’s Partnership: "Cape Wind puts fishermen at risk"
“MFP is a Coalition of 18 Massachusetts commercial fishing organizations that call on Cape Wind to "stop making false claims" about their offshore wind project’s impact on fishing."
"Navigation of mobile fishing gear between the 130 wind towers would be hazardous or impossible"
Mashpee Wampanoag Nation:
''Historically the Sound is of great importance to the tribe,'' tribal spokesman Scott Fearson said. ''The tribe considers the Sound to be ancestral waters. There are a number of concerns about this project.''
''The Tribe's economic health and cultural heritage are virtually defined by our reliance on our coastal resources. ''The Cape Wind project would disrupt the fragile habitat of these aboriginal fishing grounds and pose new navigational hazards to our fleet. The consequences would be devastating, in terms of both economic development and public safety.''
Mass. Fishermen’s Partnership: "Cape Wind puts fishermen at risk"
“MFP is a Coalition of 18 Massachusetts commercial fishing organizations that call on Cape Wind to "stop making false claims" about their offshore wind project’s impact on fishing."
"Navigation of mobile fishing gear between the 130 wind towers would be hazardous or impossible"
Mashpee Wampanoag Nation:
''Historically the Sound is of great importance to the tribe,'' tribal spokesman Scott Fearson said. ''The tribe considers the Sound to be ancestral waters. There are a number of concerns about this project.''
''The Tribe's economic health and cultural heritage are virtually defined by our reliance on our coastal resources. ''The Cape Wind project would disrupt the fragile habitat of these aboriginal fishing grounds and pose new navigational hazards to our fleet. The consequences would be devastating, in terms of both economic development and public safety.''
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Govenor held forum last night despite the storm
In response to: Govenor held forum last night despite the storm
Governor Patrick was recently asked by Cliff Carroll on Egan Braude 96.9 FM Talk, if Deval would agree to meet with the stakeholders, airport officials, and representatives the MFP, etc., to listen to their concerns about Cape Wind. Cliff’s request is very reasonable, and for Deval Patrick to refuse to listen, (and “hear”), their concerns is irresponsible.
In the auditorium was Dr. Quincy Mosby, the airport manager of Barnstable Airport. Several others whom I recognized as having previously provided testimony on behalf of the Steamship Authority and Hy-Line Cruises were present. There was insufficient opportunity for local officials to address their concerns about public safety risks presented by Cape Wind to Governor Patrick.
Again...
''He was noncommittal on meeting with local stakeholders, the people who are going to be affected by the project,” said Cliff Carroll of South Yarmouth. Carroll said the governor should meet with the Yarmouth Board of Selectmen, the Barnstable Town Council, and other affected local government officials.”
In the auditorium was Dr. Quincy Mosby, the airport manager of Barnstable Airport. Several others whom I recognized as having previously provided testimony on behalf of the Steamship Authority and Hy-Line Cruises were present. There was insufficient opportunity for local officials to address their concerns about public safety risks presented by Cape Wind to Governor Patrick.
Again...
''He was noncommittal on meeting with local stakeholders, the people who are going to be affected by the project,” said Cliff Carroll of South Yarmouth. Carroll said the governor should meet with the Yarmouth Board of Selectmen, the Barnstable Town Council, and other affected local government officials.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Chuck:
You are the Informational Director of Clean Power Now, and state that you don’t know if Cape Wind will require dredging. Barbara Hill is the Executive Director of Clean Power Now. She has provided her signature as Executive Director of CPN to Conservation Law Foundation’s letter to state Secretary Ian Bowles on the CapeWind FEIR. This letter includes dredging as an action that will occur if Cape Wind is constructed. The excerpt language is provided in my earlier comments.
Care to explain why?
CAPE WIND WILL REQUIRE DREDGING:
Senator Ted Kennedy, Conservation Law Foundation, Cape and Island’s Self-Reliance, Clean Power Now, Clean Water Action, Earth Policy Institute, Environment Massachusetts, Environmental League of Massachusetts, Greenpeace, Healthlink, MA Climate Action Network, Mass Energy, George M. Woodwell
CAPE WIND WILL NOT REQUIRE DREDGING:
Mark Rodgers
You are the Informational Director of Clean Power Now, and state that you don’t know if Cape Wind will require dredging. Barbara Hill is the Executive Director of Clean Power Now. She has provided her signature as Executive Director of CPN to Conservation Law Foundation’s letter to state Secretary Ian Bowles on the CapeWind FEIR. This letter includes dredging as an action that will occur if Cape Wind is constructed. The excerpt language is provided in my earlier comments.
Care to explain why?
CAPE WIND WILL REQUIRE DREDGING:
Senator Ted Kennedy, Conservation Law Foundation, Cape and Island’s Self-Reliance, Clean Power Now, Clean Water Action, Earth Policy Institute, Environment Massachusetts, Environmental League of Massachusetts, Greenpeace, Healthlink, MA Climate Action Network, Mass Energy, George M. Woodwell
CAPE WIND WILL NOT REQUIRE DREDGING:
Mark Rodgers
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
“In addition, there is serious concern that the construction of these towers will have permanent effects on critical shallow fish habitats. The project will require laying more than 100 miles of cable by plowing into the seabed, driving the bases of its 130 turbines deep into the seabed, and performing dredging in areas too shallow to currently accommodate the work boats needed for construction of the turbines. Destruction of fish habitat is unavoidable.”
Senator Ted Kennedy
Senator Ted Kennedy
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Capri:
Dr. Cluck of MMS has kindly responded to my previous correspondence, so I am hopeful that he will respond to this last.
The FEIR states:
“The best available data suggests that fatal bird collision resulting from the operation of the Cape Wind Project will be in the range of 0 to 2 birds per turbine per year or a maximum of 260 bird fatalities annually.”
But, MA Audubon's comments on the DEIS state:
“By utilizing other bird mortality data provided in the DEIS, Mass Audubon staff scientists arrived at avian mortalities that ranged from 2,300 to 6,600 collision deaths per year.”
What happened to 6,340 previously declared annual avian mortalities? There is no mention of them in the FEIR.
The state Secretary rubber stamped Cape Wind's FEIR.
We can only hope that on the federal level, MMS will not do the same.
Dr. Cluck of MMS has kindly responded to my previous correspondence, so I am hopeful that he will respond to this last.
The FEIR states:
“The best available data suggests that fatal bird collision resulting from the operation of the Cape Wind Project will be in the range of 0 to 2 birds per turbine per year or a maximum of 260 bird fatalities annually.”
But, MA Audubon's comments on the DEIS state:
“By utilizing other bird mortality data provided in the DEIS, Mass Audubon staff scientists arrived at avian mortalities that ranged from 2,300 to 6,600 collision deaths per year.”
What happened to 6,340 previously declared annual avian mortalities? There is no mention of them in the FEIR.
The state Secretary rubber stamped Cape Wind's FEIR.
We can only hope that on the federal level, MMS will not do the same.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Capri:
This Post was emailed to authorities at MMS, copied to MEPA, CZM, Congress, federal regulatory reviewing agencies, and representatives of the public.
This Post represents local citizens' expressed valid concerns regarding the Cape Wind project review. NEPA cares.
If Cape Wind would dredge, they would be required to obtain state and federal permits.
There is a glaring discrepancy between Conservation Law Foundation's statements on dredging to Ian Bowles; and Cape Wind's Mark Rodger's published statement of 3/22 to Cape Cod Times reprinted in this Post.
CLF incorporates dredging in their comments on the FEIR; and Rodgers states dredging will not occur. The Cape Wind FEIR supporting documents submitted to Ian Bowles, "provide amply reason for skepticism.”
We can't expect a good outcome from this review process if Cape Wind is allowed to circumvent the procedural process, and sidestep obtaining required state and federal permits on any action.
This Post was emailed to authorities at MMS, copied to MEPA, CZM, Congress, federal regulatory reviewing agencies, and representatives of the public.
This Post represents local citizens' expressed valid concerns regarding the Cape Wind project review. NEPA cares.
If Cape Wind would dredge, they would be required to obtain state and federal permits.
There is a glaring discrepancy between Conservation Law Foundation's statements on dredging to Ian Bowles; and Cape Wind's Mark Rodger's published statement of 3/22 to Cape Cod Times reprinted in this Post.
CLF incorporates dredging in their comments on the FEIR; and Rodgers states dredging will not occur. The Cape Wind FEIR supporting documents submitted to Ian Bowles, "provide amply reason for skepticism.”
We can't expect a good outcome from this review process if Cape Wind is allowed to circumvent the procedural process, and sidestep obtaining required state and federal permits on any action.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
That would be me, too, on the view, Buzz. I don’t consider this a one adverse impact per customer issue. There are so many potential adverse impacts that will occur if Cape Wind is permitted—it scares me.
It should come as no surprise under an ad hoc review of a world's largest industrial project that problems with Cape Wind continue to surface.
The developer has selected this site based on his cost considerations.
If it wasn't for private citizen shoring up this process, MMS would not even know about the inclusion of the Electrical Service Platform ESP that would contain 40,000 gallons of unnamed oil if this project is constructed in the developer’s choice location, pathetically speaking.
Dona raises excellent points, consider legal boundaries defined as a condition of a property transfer.
Thank you, Cliff Carroll.
It should come as no surprise under an ad hoc review of a world's largest industrial project that problems with Cape Wind continue to surface.
The developer has selected this site based on his cost considerations.
If it wasn't for private citizen shoring up this process, MMS would not even know about the inclusion of the Electrical Service Platform ESP that would contain 40,000 gallons of unnamed oil if this project is constructed in the developer’s choice location, pathetically speaking.
Dona raises excellent points, consider legal boundaries defined as a condition of a property transfer.
Thank you, Cliff Carroll.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
As I said to you once before, Jack, there will always be a bridge across the divide that exists between us.
It's nice to know that I've correctly interpreted your sound reasoning for Posting this contribution. You are circumspect, intelligent, and advocating for compliance and observance of the laws that provide good guidance in the decision making process. And, you understand that any short cuts taken by Cape Wind may result in a bad decision, under a flawed project evaluation process.
While we are on opposite sides of this issue, we share common ground.
Do we also share uncommon sense?
It's nice to know that I've correctly interpreted your sound reasoning for Posting this contribution. You are circumspect, intelligent, and advocating for compliance and observance of the laws that provide good guidance in the decision making process. And, you understand that any short cuts taken by Cape Wind may result in a bad decision, under a flawed project evaluation process.
While we are on opposite sides of this issue, we share common ground.
Do we also share uncommon sense?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Dear Dr. Cluck:
I provide this forward 'Valid Criticism-from the opposition' by Jack Coleman as a concerned private citizen.
The Conservation Law Foundation submitted comments on the Cape Wind FEIR to MA Secretary Ian Bowles on March 22, 2007, reference "dredging”.
Cape Wind states that they do not anticipate dredging of Nantucket Sound will be required. I assume that this action would require Cape Wind to apply for state and federal permits.
Many are reviewing the Cape Wind project, and many conclude that dredging would be a necessary action. Conservation Law Foundation's comments to Secretary Bowles validate our concern that Cape Wind will require dredging.
Cape Cod residents, opposing or supporting this project, are concerned that “Cape Wind's own numbers in the FEIR provide ample reason for skepticism about its no-dredging assertion.”
Thank you for taking the time to review this material, and the Cape Wind project.
Most Respectfully,
Barbara Durkin
I provide this forward 'Valid Criticism-from the opposition' by Jack Coleman as a concerned private citizen.
The Conservation Law Foundation submitted comments on the Cape Wind FEIR to MA Secretary Ian Bowles on March 22, 2007, reference "dredging”.
Cape Wind states that they do not anticipate dredging of Nantucket Sound will be required. I assume that this action would require Cape Wind to apply for state and federal permits.
Many are reviewing the Cape Wind project, and many conclude that dredging would be a necessary action. Conservation Law Foundation's comments to Secretary Bowles validate our concern that Cape Wind will require dredging.
Cape Cod residents, opposing or supporting this project, are concerned that “Cape Wind's own numbers in the FEIR provide ample reason for skepticism about its no-dredging assertion.”
Thank you for taking the time to review this material, and the Cape Wind project.
Most Respectfully,
Barbara Durkin
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Jack,
I think that you've separated the men from the boys, and the women from the girls.
The boys and girls don't seem to wish to take you up on your wager offer.
All are quick to say that Cape Wind won't require dredging, but hesitant to put their money at risk, and back up their claims.
I think it's a safe bet that dredging will occur, and that would put Cape Wind in a vulnerable position without required permits.
Red flag #643
I think that you've separated the men from the boys, and the women from the girls.
The boys and girls don't seem to wish to take you up on your wager offer.
All are quick to say that Cape Wind won't require dredging, but hesitant to put their money at risk, and back up their claims.
I think it's a safe bet that dredging will occur, and that would put Cape Wind in a vulnerable position without required permits.
Red flag #643
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Imco35;
The subject you're avoiding is the topic of this Post, dredging. Cape Wind, according to Cape Cod Today, should have opportunity to respond, but they have not done so when the opportunity has been provided. Jack's Post responds to Cape Wind's published statements. The silence is very telling coming from Cape Wind and CPN quarters right now.
Barbara Hill, who signed a letter that incorporated dredging in language by Conservation Law Foundation to Ian Bowles on the FEIR, is conspicuously absent as are other team Cape Wind members.
We have contradictory positions and statements flowing on this critical issue.
Back to Jack's offer, Imco35, do you wish to accept his terms in stating Cape Wind will not require dredging?
We have conflicting information about dredging from CLF that includes this action in their comments to the state on the FEIR—Cape Wind is contradicted.
Red flag #642
The subject you're avoiding is the topic of this Post, dredging. Cape Wind, according to Cape Cod Today, should have opportunity to respond, but they have not done so when the opportunity has been provided. Jack's Post responds to Cape Wind's published statements. The silence is very telling coming from Cape Wind and CPN quarters right now.
Barbara Hill, who signed a letter that incorporated dredging in language by Conservation Law Foundation to Ian Bowles on the FEIR, is conspicuously absent as are other team Cape Wind members.
We have contradictory positions and statements flowing on this critical issue.
Back to Jack's offer, Imco35, do you wish to accept his terms in stating Cape Wind will not require dredging?
We have conflicting information about dredging from CLF that includes this action in their comments to the state on the FEIR—Cape Wind is contradicted.
Red flag #642
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Imco35;
Cape Wind is a bad idea proposed for the worst possible location. I'm just trying to help you to cut to the chase as you're suggesting, again, that ulterior motive exists when citizens vocally object to Cape Wind. Perhaps obfuscation is your goal as you’re off topic and finger pointing.
I'm a witness to Jack Coleman's challenge to you to accept that wager, Imco35.
Are you prepared to put your money on the table in stating that Cape Wind will not require dredging? See Jack.
Speculating on Jack's motivation...Jack likely thinks that Cape Wind should be approved if a fair and comprehensive evaluation of the project demonstrates merits outweigh risks associated.
Jack Coleman hasn't crossed the isle. He's circumspect and intelligent and advocating for compliance and observance of the laws that provide good guidance in the decision making process. I think Jack understands that any short cuts taken by Cape Wind may result in a bad decision, under a flawed project evaluation, my guess.
Cape Wind is a bad idea proposed for the worst possible location. I'm just trying to help you to cut to the chase as you're suggesting, again, that ulterior motive exists when citizens vocally object to Cape Wind. Perhaps obfuscation is your goal as you’re off topic and finger pointing.
I'm a witness to Jack Coleman's challenge to you to accept that wager, Imco35.
Are you prepared to put your money on the table in stating that Cape Wind will not require dredging? See Jack.
Speculating on Jack's motivation...Jack likely thinks that Cape Wind should be approved if a fair and comprehensive evaluation of the project demonstrates merits outweigh risks associated.
Jack Coleman hasn't crossed the isle. He's circumspect and intelligent and advocating for compliance and observance of the laws that provide good guidance in the decision making process. I think Jack understands that any short cuts taken by Cape Wind may result in a bad decision, under a flawed project evaluation, my guess.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Maverick;
The best information source available on the characteristics of Nantucket Sound is the user of Nantucket Sound. You say that dredging would be required based on your daily, real-time observations traversing Nantucket Sound, and you’re a qualified source in my book.
The Conservation Law Foundation, and a host of others consider dredging will be required as well. Barbara Hill of CPN signed a letter to the effect that dredging would be required that was written and submitted by Conservation Law Foundation to Ian Bowles, state Secretary, the excerpt is in my 12;15 PM comment.
Jim Gordon hasn't responded on the dredging issue despite Jack invitations.
CPN and Conservation Law are in conflict with Cape Wind on an issue that could place Cape Wind in an impossible position, requiring addition permits, “nearly impossible to acquire according to the developer.”
What say you, Barbara Hill?
You’ve signed the letter that presumes dredging that Cape Wind states will not be required.
The best information source available on the characteristics of Nantucket Sound is the user of Nantucket Sound. You say that dredging would be required based on your daily, real-time observations traversing Nantucket Sound, and you’re a qualified source in my book.
The Conservation Law Foundation, and a host of others consider dredging will be required as well. Barbara Hill of CPN signed a letter to the effect that dredging would be required that was written and submitted by Conservation Law Foundation to Ian Bowles, state Secretary, the excerpt is in my 12;15 PM comment.
Jim Gordon hasn't responded on the dredging issue despite Jack invitations.
CPN and Conservation Law are in conflict with Cape Wind on an issue that could place Cape Wind in an impossible position, requiring addition permits, “nearly impossible to acquire according to the developer.”
What say you, Barbara Hill?
You’ve signed the letter that presumes dredging that Cape Wind states will not be required.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Cape Wind has come half-way down the mountain to discuss the perils of permitting with Cape Cod Today editor regarding dredging as the editor's comments here suggest.
Cape Cod Today represents the position of Cape Wind on dredging in their 9:51 AM comment this morning:
"Cape Wind categorically denies that any dredging will take place in constructing the wind farm."
Jack Coleman has extended invitation to Jim Gordon to respond to this Post subtitle, 'Cape Wind, to dredge or not to dredge?'
Will Jim Gordon come down from the mountain to back up Cape Cod Today's represention of Cape Wind's assertion, no dredging is required, and respond to Jack's invitation?
May we know if so why Conservation Law Foundation, Cape and Island’s Self-Reliance, Clean Power Now, Clean Water Action, Earth Policy Institute, Environment Massachusetts, Environmental League of Massachusetts, Greenpeace, Healthlink, MA Climate Action Network, Mass Energy, George M. Woodwell expect dredging would be required?
Cape Cod Today represents the position of Cape Wind on dredging in their 9:51 AM comment this morning:
"Cape Wind categorically denies that any dredging will take place in constructing the wind farm."
Jack Coleman has extended invitation to Jim Gordon to respond to this Post subtitle, 'Cape Wind, to dredge or not to dredge?'
Will Jim Gordon come down from the mountain to back up Cape Cod Today's represention of Cape Wind's assertion, no dredging is required, and respond to Jack's invitation?
May we know if so why Conservation Law Foundation, Cape and Island’s Self-Reliance, Clean Power Now, Clean Water Action, Earth Policy Institute, Environment Massachusetts, Environmental League of Massachusetts, Greenpeace, Healthlink, MA Climate Action Network, Mass Energy, George M. Woodwell expect dredging would be required?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
"The reason Cape Wind's final environmental impact report makes no mention of dredging Horseshoe Shoal is that no dredging is needed for a construction barge to access the wind turbine locations," Rodgers further wrote." Cape Cod Times 3/22
Cape Wind's FEIR, logic, and the Conservation Law Foundation, etc., suggest otherwise.
Great question, Jack:
"But after spending roughly $30 million before generating a single kilowatt-hour, why would Cape Wind risk jeopardizing the project with a questionable omission in its documentation to MMS?"
Cape Cod Today editor responds:
"...any dredging would require many additional permits which would be nearly impossible to acquire according to the developer."
Is Cape Wind trying to circumvent "Compliance with Sections 401 and 402 of the Clean Water Act?
...referred to as an “IMPORTANT LAYER OF PROTECTIVE REVIEW” in the context of Cape Wind, by Conservation Law foundation BRIEF OF AMICUS CURIAE of 1/03.
Cape Wind's FEIR, logic, and the Conservation Law Foundation, etc., suggest otherwise.
Great question, Jack:
"But after spending roughly $30 million before generating a single kilowatt-hour, why would Cape Wind risk jeopardizing the project with a questionable omission in its documentation to MMS?"
Cape Cod Today editor responds:
"...any dredging would require many additional permits which would be nearly impossible to acquire according to the developer."
Is Cape Wind trying to circumvent "Compliance with Sections 401 and 402 of the Clean Water Act?
...referred to as an “IMPORTANT LAYER OF PROTECTIVE REVIEW” in the context of Cape Wind, by Conservation Law foundation BRIEF OF AMICUS CURIAE of 1/03.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Moses:
Some will never forget the 26 mile cable run from Nantucket to Cape Cod.
"We were laying 26 miles of power cable from Nantucket to Cape Cod. The forecast was for winds to 40. it blew 96 Knots...a hurricane! I took this photo from my tug, The Manatee. The bow of the barge broke, the spud pocket cracked and the office space was taking on water. Many souls hung in the balance."
Chuck Gallup Owner/Operator
Gallup's Concrete Pumping
Some will never forget the 26 mile cable run from Nantucket to Cape Cod.
"We were laying 26 miles of power cable from Nantucket to Cape Cod. The forecast was for winds to 40. it blew 96 Knots...a hurricane! I took this photo from my tug, The Manatee. The bow of the barge broke, the spud pocket cracked and the office space was taking on water. Many souls hung in the balance."
Chuck Gallup Owner/Operator
Gallup's Concrete Pumping
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Thank you, Jack Coleman, for your balanced coverage of this issue.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Conservation Law Foundation, Cape and Island’s Self-Reliance, Clean Power Now, Clean Water Action, Earth Policy Institute, Environment Massachusetts, Environmental League of Massachusetts, Greenpeace, Healthlink, MA Climate Action Network, Mass Energy, George M. Woodwell
To Secretary Ian Bowles EOEA March 22, 2007:
“We appreciate that the FEIR addresses the water quality impacts of the project, including impacts from the proposed jet plow method of embedding the submarine cables, as requested. Further, the project proponent has responded favorably to the Secretary’s request (in the DEIR Certificate) to backfill the area this is excavated at the transition point between the submarine cable and the Horizontal Direct Drilling (HDD) cable, so as to nearly replicate the sediment transport attributes of the area as they are prior to dredging.”
Everyone except for Mark Rodgers seems to know that dredging would be necessary.
130 miles of cable @ 25% shallow water, would translate to 32 miles of dredging.
To Secretary Ian Bowles EOEA March 22, 2007:
“We appreciate that the FEIR addresses the water quality impacts of the project, including impacts from the proposed jet plow method of embedding the submarine cables, as requested. Further, the project proponent has responded favorably to the Secretary’s request (in the DEIR Certificate) to backfill the area this is excavated at the transition point between the submarine cable and the Horizontal Direct Drilling (HDD) cable, so as to nearly replicate the sediment transport attributes of the area as they are prior to dredging.”
Everyone except for Mark Rodgers seems to know that dredging would be necessary.
130 miles of cable @ 25% shallow water, would translate to 32 miles of dredging.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
You're missing the point, Imco35. Jim Gordon wants us to put OUR money, $1 billion, where his mouth is. And, for us to toss in Nantucket Sound for yard sale pricing of $1.36 per ocean Acre, per month, per MMS. In return for...a public safety hazard, and up to 6,600 dead birds, a taking of marine mammals by harassment, decimation of the fishing industry, and loss of $123 million in tourism, annually.
In return for all of this, we can expect zero, nothing, nada, as neither you, nor any of Cape Wind's other proponents, can provide scientific data that shows any benefits associated with wind power that extend to the environment and citizens.
In return for all of this, we can expect zero, nothing, nada, as neither you, nor any of Cape Wind's other proponents, can provide scientific data that shows any benefits associated with wind power that extend to the environment and citizens.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
correction..You're in denial, Imco.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
Your in denial, Imco. Cape Wind the "significant hazard" in the waterway and...
National Air Traffic Controllers' Cape TRACON to the USACE:
"Placing 130 of these turbines in this area, in our opinion, a disaster waiting to happen."
We have some very serious worries over the location of this project. Cape Wind Associates has published “Airplane Flight Routes” on its web site, which depicts flight paths that are well clear of the proosed Wind Farm. The reality of this situation is quite different. This is a very heavily traveled area for air traffic. If you were to ask me, where is the worst possible place to construct a hazard to aviation and jeopardize safety in the Cape and Islands airspace, I couldn’t have picked a better spot than the current location.”
“The evidence of endangerment to all who travel by air sea over and upon Nantucket Sound is compelling.”
National Air Traffic Controllers' Cape TRACON to the USACE:
"Placing 130 of these turbines in this area, in our opinion, a disaster waiting to happen."
We have some very serious worries over the location of this project. Cape Wind Associates has published “Airplane Flight Routes” on its web site, which depicts flight paths that are well clear of the proosed Wind Farm. The reality of this situation is quite different. This is a very heavily traveled area for air traffic. If you were to ask me, where is the worst possible place to construct a hazard to aviation and jeopardize safety in the Cape and Islands airspace, I couldn’t have picked a better spot than the current location.”
“The evidence of endangerment to all who travel by air sea over and upon Nantucket Sound is compelling.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
Fcuta14:
Denmark 18%? "The Utilities Journal (David J. White, "Danish Wind: Too Good To Be True?," July 2004) found that 84% of western Denmark's wind-generated electricity was exported (at a revenue loss) in 2003, i.e., Denmark's glut of wind towers provided only 3.3% of the nation's electricity. According to The Wall Street Journal Europe, the Copenhagen newspaper Politiken reported that wind actually met only 1.7% of Denmark's total demand in 1999. (Besides the amount exported, this low figure may also reflect the actual net contribution. The large amount of electricity used by the turbines themselves is typically not accounted for in the usually cited output figures."
You didn't answer Capri's question.
Denmark 18%? "The Utilities Journal (David J. White, "Danish Wind: Too Good To Be True?," July 2004) found that 84% of western Denmark's wind-generated electricity was exported (at a revenue loss) in 2003, i.e., Denmark's glut of wind towers provided only 3.3% of the nation's electricity. According to The Wall Street Journal Europe, the Copenhagen newspaper Politiken reported that wind actually met only 1.7% of Denmark's total demand in 1999. (Besides the amount exported, this low figure may also reflect the actual net contribution. The large amount of electricity used by the turbines themselves is typically not accounted for in the usually cited output figures."
You didn't answer Capri's question.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Breaking Wind News
In response to: Breaking Wind News
You're right to be concerned about putting these things up, but I don't see where they're "starting to pay", Mopo.
Wind energy has not delivered on promises made by industry and its proponents. It siphons money from the well intended thinking wishfully to the vast food chain extolling benefits undelivered historically. The citizens have been mislead, misinformed and misguided while multi $billions of our dollars are funneled to wind interests, and all we have to show for this is a wake of destruction of our precious and finite resources and wildlife.
There are plenty of happy campers at the top of the food chain who have exploited our resources, wishful thinking and good intentions.
Wind energy has not delivered on promises made by industry and its proponents. It siphons money from the well intended thinking wishfully to the vast food chain extolling benefits undelivered historically. The citizens have been mislead, misinformed and misguided while multi $billions of our dollars are funneled to wind interests, and all we have to show for this is a wake of destruction of our precious and finite resources and wildlife.
There are plenty of happy campers at the top of the food chain who have exploited our resources, wishful thinking and good intentions.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Propelling Cape Wind
In response to: Propelling Cape Wind
Hmmm., to listen to a Manatee! or the expert?...an easy one.
"My name is Captain Charles Gifford, I am the Port Captain for the Wood's Hole, Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket Steamship Authority. I'm a U.S. Coast Guard licensed Master Mariner and an approved instructor at the Massachusetts Maritime Academy."
"The Steamship Authority annually makes 22,000 trips transporting close to three million passengers and over 600,000 cars and trucks to the Islands of Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket. It is our opinion that the 130 wind turbines planned for Horseshoe Shoals and Nantucket Sound has a potential for creating a significant hazard to safe navigation for our vessels and other users of the waterways."
"My name is Captain Charles Gifford, I am the Port Captain for the Wood's Hole, Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket Steamship Authority. I'm a U.S. Coast Guard licensed Master Mariner and an approved instructor at the Massachusetts Maritime Academy."
"The Steamship Authority annually makes 22,000 trips transporting close to three million passengers and over 600,000 cars and trucks to the Islands of Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket. It is our opinion that the 130 wind turbines planned for Horseshoe Shoals and Nantucket Sound has a potential for creating a significant hazard to safe navigation for our vessels and other users of the waterways."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
Capri:
Imco35 might be struggling to formulate a legitimate argument against a more comprehensive evaluation of Cape Wind by MMS. He may also be unable to provide rationale for the destruction of an ecosystem by a project that would create a “significant hazard to safe navigation” and kill up to 6,600 birds, annually, in a best case scenario. When faced with the facts, that this solution has failed to deliver the intended benefits, Cape Wind proponents understandably resort to, "I think we need to be looking at summer home view greed."
Your request for scientific data that backs up industry claims, reduction in harmful emissions rates can be realized with wind energy, has put Imco35 in an impossible situation.
The scientific data you're seeking, Capri, is industry propaganda as you are very well aware.
Imco35 might be struggling to formulate a legitimate argument against a more comprehensive evaluation of Cape Wind by MMS. He may also be unable to provide rationale for the destruction of an ecosystem by a project that would create a “significant hazard to safe navigation” and kill up to 6,600 birds, annually, in a best case scenario. When faced with the facts, that this solution has failed to deliver the intended benefits, Cape Wind proponents understandably resort to, "I think we need to be looking at summer home view greed."
Your request for scientific data that backs up industry claims, reduction in harmful emissions rates can be realized with wind energy, has put Imco35 in an impossible situation.
The scientific data you're seeking, Capri, is industry propaganda as you are very well aware.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
Seth Kaplan should consider that MMS may recognize that the state's rubber stamping of the FEIR might be in the developer's interest, but not in the interest of the public and the environment. This isn't a back yard shed that we're considering to build. This is a world's largest experimental industrial project with the potential to deliver astronomical adverse impact to this region.
For MMS to rush to judgment would be grossly negligent. It is in the interest of the public and our environment that Cape Wind, and all its potential adverse impacts, isn’t rubber stamped by them.
I agree with you, Capri, and Neil, a bill of goods is what Cape Wind is selling. The benefits extolled by this industry have not been realized by the forerunners. The sense of urgency is fueled fear that is fueled by greed.
For MMS to rush to judgment would be grossly negligent. It is in the interest of the public and our environment that Cape Wind, and all its potential adverse impacts, isn’t rubber stamped by them.
I agree with you, Capri, and Neil, a bill of goods is what Cape Wind is selling. The benefits extolled by this industry have not been realized by the forerunners. The sense of urgency is fueled fear that is fueled by greed.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
Imco35:
You are suggesting the there is something that Cape Wind reports that you don't believe.
It's a start.
You are suggesting the there is something that Cape Wind reports that you don't believe.
It's a start.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
Imco35:
In response to your comment, "I can't believe that you are still trying to pitch that 'oil spill' claim."
"A report prepared by Cape Wind consultants made public this week by the Minerals Management Service concluded that if a major spill did occur at the project's electrical service platform - which would hold up to 40,000 gallons of lubricating oil - there's a greater than 90 percent chance the oil would reach the shoreline."
"Based on oil flow and tide studies of Nantucket Sound, consultants from Applied Science Associates in Narragansett, R.I. found that the south shore of the Cape and eastern shore of Martha's Vineyard would likely face the biggest danger and that in extreme conditions, the oil could reach land in less than five hours."
The Cape Cod Times, and Cape Wind are the pitchers, not I.
In response to your comment, "I can't believe that you are still trying to pitch that 'oil spill' claim."
"A report prepared by Cape Wind consultants made public this week by the Minerals Management Service concluded that if a major spill did occur at the project's electrical service platform - which would hold up to 40,000 gallons of lubricating oil - there's a greater than 90 percent chance the oil would reach the shoreline."
"Based on oil flow and tide studies of Nantucket Sound, consultants from Applied Science Associates in Narragansett, R.I. found that the south shore of the Cape and eastern shore of Martha's Vineyard would likely face the biggest danger and that in extreme conditions, the oil could reach land in less than five hours."
The Cape Cod Times, and Cape Wind are the pitchers, not I.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
As Margo Fenn of the Cape Cod Commission suggests, they'll "do a thorough and careful review” that could cover everything from its effect on marine mammals to views of the sound.
The oil spill trajectory maps that show a greater than 90% chance of a spill of unnamed oil hitting the shorelines would certainly have a local and regional impact.
I hope that the repetitious suggestion that the Cape Cod Commission has jurisdiction that's severly limited backfires as Cape Wind would have serious adverse impact on this region.
The oil spill trajectory maps that show a greater than 90% chance of a spill of unnamed oil hitting the shorelines would certainly have a local and regional impact.
I hope that the repetitious suggestion that the Cape Cod Commission has jurisdiction that's severly limited backfires as Cape Wind would have serious adverse impact on this region.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
Newsroom:
Affected entrance:
"Hello, I am new to the site and enjoy reading the arguments from both sides of such an important topic."
Who's naive? Who's affected?
Affected entrance:
"Hello, I am new to the site and enjoy reading the arguments from both sides of such an important topic."
Who's naive? Who's affected?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
My favorite observation in this column is, "If "Cape Wind" has a short-coming, it is the authors' affected naivete about how the world works."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Propelling Cape Wind
In response to: Propelling Cape Wind
"Still, some of the protesters' concerns are valid. The ferries that carry $3 million passengers a year will have to adjust their routes to navigate around the 130 windmills. Some worry this could be an accident waiting to happen. Radar may also be affected, potentially having disastrous implications for air traffic."
"...construction must not be delayed further."
How ridiculous.
"...construction must not be delayed further."
How ridiculous.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
This is interesting news coming from Denmark, Neil. I can't help but to wonder what our Danish friend, Ketpass1, will have to say about this.
He might prefer to dispute this new report, and continue to carry the wind turbine torch, although he did have this to say on 03/21/07 @ 5:30 PM:
“I trust highly in the credibility of the Danish public offices,”
His earlier comment doesn't leave him with much wiggle room.
He might prefer to dispute this new report, and continue to carry the wind turbine torch, although he did have this to say on 03/21/07 @ 5:30 PM:
“I trust highly in the credibility of the Danish public offices,”
His earlier comment doesn't leave him with much wiggle room.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Hi Neil,
We are on the same wave-length. I just found this quote on your site, great stuff!
Newsday:
"Energy from the proposed South Shore wind farm will cost Long Island ratepayers as much as double the wholesale cost of energy from other sources, according to previously confidential bidding documents obtained by Newsday."
Jack:
"...along with three-quarters of the electricity for the Cape and islands" implies that Cape Wind output would directly benefit Cape and Islands' residents. I have heard otherwise.
Can you please clarify, who would benefit, directly, if Cape Wind produced electricity?
We are on the same wave-length. I just found this quote on your site, great stuff!
Newsday:
"Energy from the proposed South Shore wind farm will cost Long Island ratepayers as much as double the wholesale cost of energy from other sources, according to previously confidential bidding documents obtained by Newsday."
Jack:
"...along with three-quarters of the electricity for the Cape and islands" implies that Cape Wind output would directly benefit Cape and Islands' residents. I have heard otherwise.
Can you please clarify, who would benefit, directly, if Cape Wind produced electricity?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Jack:
A Billion Dollars is what Cape Wind is looking at in ratepayer and taxpayer subsidies. They would also benefit significantly through tax sheltering. MMS is estimating that lease payments per Acre of ocean will cost Cape Wind $1.36 per Acre, per month.
Cape Wind would be wise to invest $17.5 million in return for $1 billion, and all these bennies, don't you think?
Bobcat doesn't need to look that up.
A Billion Dollars is what Cape Wind is looking at in ratepayer and taxpayer subsidies. They would also benefit significantly through tax sheltering. MMS is estimating that lease payments per Acre of ocean will cost Cape Wind $1.36 per Acre, per month.
Cape Wind would be wise to invest $17.5 million in return for $1 billion, and all these bennies, don't you think?
Bobcat doesn't need to look that up.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Neil and Bobcat, you each make excellent points.
Neil, you said, "Bobcat87, you’ve zeroed in on the real problem here- the private takeover of priceless public property, with little or no public gain."
Cape Wind has scored a "no bid" deal for Nantucket Sound "IF". MMS has established the value of "priceless public property", as $1.36 per Acre, per month, with a 20 year term.
(see page 7. of the Secretary's Certificate on the Cape Wind FEIR)
Where is the outrage?
Neil, you said, "Bobcat87, you’ve zeroed in on the real problem here- the private takeover of priceless public property, with little or no public gain."
Cape Wind has scored a "no bid" deal for Nantucket Sound "IF". MMS has established the value of "priceless public property", as $1.36 per Acre, per month, with a 20 year term.
(see page 7. of the Secretary's Certificate on the Cape Wind FEIR)
Where is the outrage?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
No, Jack, the fat lady wasn’t clearing her throat, she was gagging. The Secretary of Environmental Affairs opted to obey the directive of the current administration that considers anything Cape Wind does to be adequate, no matter how inadequate their effort. The citizens, commercial and recreational users, the Cape Cod Commission, the Alliance, and many others had appealed to the Secretary to compel Cape Wind to produce supplemental environmental information. This massive experimental industrial project, proposed for an ecosystem under conflicting use, should stand on its own merits following an objective and unbiased evaluation of all potential adverse environmental impacts. The fat lady gagged when the state rubber stamped Cape Wind’s FEIR.
I can’t speak for Neil, but the Australian Government's Minister for Agriculture, also previously a Minister for Science, stated to the media on a number of occasions last year "wind farms were a complete fraud".
I can’t speak for Neil, but the Australian Government's Minister for Agriculture, also previously a Minister for Science, stated to the media on a number of occasions last year "wind farms were a complete fraud".
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Imco35:
I think that Nantucket Sound is probably the worst place for an industrial wind facility.
I'm not sold on the benefits v the cost of this technology. As these towers seem to be heading somewhere, put them up at Worcester Airport, umassjsp's and my back yard.
I think that Nantucket Sound is probably the worst place for an industrial wind facility.
I'm not sold on the benefits v the cost of this technology. As these towers seem to be heading somewhere, put them up at Worcester Airport, umassjsp's and my back yard.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
umassjsp: I agree, Worcester Wind! Pure genius.
Open comment to Jim Gordon:
Please consider Worcester, MA as a location for the Worcester Wind Farm, (formerly known as Cape Wind project). The visual intrusion of 130 wind towers in my back yard is acceptable to me. Worcester Airport should be the choice location, if one must exist, for your industrial scale wind facility. Here are today’s recorded wind speeds for Worcester.
I think that Worcester Wind would be met with open arms.
Thank You,
Barbara Durkin
Climate Report National Weather Service Worcester April 1, 2007
WIND (MPH)
HIGHEST WIND SPEED 16
HIGHEST WIND DIRECTION S (190)
HIGHEST GUST SPEED 20
HIGHEST GUST DIRECTION S (190)
Average Wind Speed 7.8
Open comment to Jim Gordon:
Please consider Worcester, MA as a location for the Worcester Wind Farm, (formerly known as Cape Wind project). The visual intrusion of 130 wind towers in my back yard is acceptable to me. Worcester Airport should be the choice location, if one must exist, for your industrial scale wind facility. Here are today’s recorded wind speeds for Worcester.
I think that Worcester Wind would be met with open arms.
Thank You,
Barbara Durkin
Climate Report National Weather Service Worcester April 1, 2007
WIND (MPH)
HIGHEST WIND SPEED 16
HIGHEST WIND DIRECTION S (190)
HIGHEST GUST SPEED 20
HIGHEST GUST DIRECTION S (190)
Average Wind Speed 7.8
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Wendy Williams, AKA Fcuta14, AKA Matt Damon, AKA Well-Versed Frat Boy:
Reviewing some of your old Nancy Drew books might help you to write more plausible and convincing fiction.
I have not paid you a compliment, so thanking me is unnecessary.
What is necessary?
“I believe that natural beauty has a necessary place in the spiritual development of any individual or any society. I believe that whenever we destroy beauty, or whenever we substitute something man-made and artificial for a natural feature of the earth, we have retarded some part of man’s spiritual wealth.”
Rachel Carlson
Reviewing some of your old Nancy Drew books might help you to write more plausible and convincing fiction.
I have not paid you a compliment, so thanking me is unnecessary.
What is necessary?
“I believe that natural beauty has a necessary place in the spiritual development of any individual or any society. I believe that whenever we destroy beauty, or whenever we substitute something man-made and artificial for a natural feature of the earth, we have retarded some part of man’s spiritual wealth.”
Rachel Carlson
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
fcuta14; AKA, Wendy Williams, not to dampen your premature celebration, but,
I'm curious about something.
Are you in LA promoting your forth coming fiction that exploits beyond Cape Wind's exploitation, CAPE WIND?
"Show all comments by this user" "you" reveals a coincidence as Fcuta14 is your moniker introduced after a comment that I made about 14 year old Jack Ingram. He is the young man who penned and had published a very insightful research paper on the problems that we can expect with maintenance issues if Cape Wind is permitted.
Is “Fcuta14” a phonetic suggestion regarding 14 year old Jack Ingram, or just a coincidence? Your very first comment links to the thread to which I’m referring.
Does Pro Jo's co-author of your fiction, Robert Whitcomb, have a moniker, here, too?
I'm curious about something.
Are you in LA promoting your forth coming fiction that exploits beyond Cape Wind's exploitation, CAPE WIND?
"Show all comments by this user" "you" reveals a coincidence as Fcuta14 is your moniker introduced after a comment that I made about 14 year old Jack Ingram. He is the young man who penned and had published a very insightful research paper on the problems that we can expect with maintenance issues if Cape Wind is permitted.
Is “Fcuta14” a phonetic suggestion regarding 14 year old Jack Ingram, or just a coincidence? Your very first comment links to the thread to which I’m referring.
Does Pro Jo's co-author of your fiction, Robert Whitcomb, have a moniker, here, too?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Locals pols stampede to endorse Cape Wind; Vinick whacks Willy; Cape women rebel
In response to: Locals pols stampede to endorse Cape Wind; Vinick whacks Willy; Cape women rebel
Cape Wind's 130 tower blades would be idle today and generating “0” energy. Wind may be "free" but you get what you're willing to pay for.
The public could assume all risk, and sacrifice all for nothing, based on false hope, developers’ promises.
The guaranteed adverse impacts of haphazard development of our ocean, would threaten public safety, wildlife, our economy, views, (and the $123 million generated by them, annually).
Would be displaced commercial fishermen would be out $1.3 million dollars, annually.
Cape Wind would produce negligible benefits if allowed to control 15,360 Acres of our ocean for the low monthly payment of $1.36 per Acre over a 20 year term.
The above is frightfully an “if all goes well” scenario. The chorus of warnings “new technology” “inexperienced developer” “hostile and inaccessible marine conditions” “significant hazard to safe navigation” must be heeded.
This developer is thankful for fools, for without them he could not succeed.
The public could assume all risk, and sacrifice all for nothing, based on false hope, developers’ promises.
The guaranteed adverse impacts of haphazard development of our ocean, would threaten public safety, wildlife, our economy, views, (and the $123 million generated by them, annually).
Would be displaced commercial fishermen would be out $1.3 million dollars, annually.
Cape Wind would produce negligible benefits if allowed to control 15,360 Acres of our ocean for the low monthly payment of $1.36 per Acre over a 20 year term.
The above is frightfully an “if all goes well” scenario. The chorus of warnings “new technology” “inexperienced developer” “hostile and inaccessible marine conditions” “significant hazard to safe navigation” must be heeded.
This developer is thankful for fools, for without them he could not succeed.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Locals pols stampede to endorse Cape Wind; Vinick whacks Willy; Cape women rebel
In response to: Locals pols stampede to endorse Cape Wind; Vinick whacks Willy; Cape women rebel
A fool and his money are soon parted.
A fool and his ocean are soon parted.
For the going rate of $16.28 set by MMS, (page 7of the Secretary’s Certificate), the annual payment by Cape Wind for the control of 24 square miles of ocean, (15,360 Acres); for a 20 year term; is $16.28 per Acre, per year, paid to the public.
Cape Wind could reach this deal of $1.36 per month per Acre, and gain control of our precious resource under current, competing, and conflicting use.
Policy shifts public wealth and finite resources to private developers. Jim Gordon anticipates $1 Billion dollar windfall, and a precedent taking of our resource, Nantucket Sound.
Jim Gordon’s no fool.
Our policy makers have not indexed our generosity to reduction in carbon emissions, another “theory.”
Cape Wind is poorly sited by Cape Wind, and $1.36 per month per Acre is light.
A fool and his ocean are soon parted.
For the going rate of $16.28 set by MMS, (page 7of the Secretary’s Certificate), the annual payment by Cape Wind for the control of 24 square miles of ocean, (15,360 Acres); for a 20 year term; is $16.28 per Acre, per year, paid to the public.
Cape Wind could reach this deal of $1.36 per month per Acre, and gain control of our precious resource under current, competing, and conflicting use.
Policy shifts public wealth and finite resources to private developers. Jim Gordon anticipates $1 Billion dollar windfall, and a precedent taking of our resource, Nantucket Sound.
Jim Gordon’s no fool.
Our policy makers have not indexed our generosity to reduction in carbon emissions, another “theory.”
Cape Wind is poorly sited by Cape Wind, and $1.36 per month per Acre is light.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Extinction Of The Middle Class
In response to: Extinction Of The Middle Class
Jack, Cape Wind would be a waste of our tax dollars, ecosystem, wildlife, and the precious resource of Nantucket Sound.
I agree with your observation about Margot's refreshing insights and intelligence. As a member of a family who gives a greater percentage of our income to the government than we are allowed to retain, I welcome Margot's continued participation.
I agree with your observation about Margot's refreshing insights and intelligence. As a member of a family who gives a greater percentage of our income to the government than we are allowed to retain, I welcome Margot's continued participation.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Extinction Of The Middle Class
In response to: Extinction Of The Middle Class
Capemom, in answer to your question,
"What would our government do with more tax revenue anyway?
Give it to Jim Gordon, GE and the American Wind Energy Association.
Cape Wind would benefit by available tax sheltering, too.
"What would our government do with more tax revenue anyway?
Give it to Jim Gordon, GE and the American Wind Energy Association.
Cape Wind would benefit by available tax sheltering, too.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Was it in this Blog that I read it suggested that the back-up generator proposed for Cape Wind would only be needed intermittently?
Would the Cape Wind back-up generator be continually fired?
Or, would they shut it down and fire it back up again as needed?
I may have just answered my own question.
Would the Cape Wind back-up generator be continually fired?
Or, would they shut it down and fire it back up again as needed?
I may have just answered my own question.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Capri and Ed:
Your comments, I hope, will give some a reason to pause and consider their words before publicly stating them.
I was very relieved when the editor, here, shut down comments when bigots disgraced themselves by their disparaging and inexcusable remarks directed against Native American's.
Thank you both for providing this reminder that civil discourse is preferred. We should all expect to be able to engage in the same.
Your comments, I hope, will give some a reason to pause and consider their words before publicly stating them.
I was very relieved when the editor, here, shut down comments when bigots disgraced themselves by their disparaging and inexcusable remarks directed against Native American's.
Thank you both for providing this reminder that civil discourse is preferred. We should all expect to be able to engage in the same.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Yes, Emma, you can be president
In response to: Yes, Emma, you can be president
Being a "mama" is the most important job in the world, Jack. Being a "grandpa" and "grandma" comes with many rewards, too, in the distant future, of course. ;>)
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
Heap of hype :) typo, sorry.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
Maverick:
A dozen green "leaders" signed this:
“...no significant impacts on fishery resources during the construction, operation, and decommissioning phases of the project...” “...any impacts are expected to be temporary and relatively insignificant…”
And a Coalition of 18 Massachusetts commercial fishing organizations calls on Cape Wind to "stop making false claims" about their offshore wind project’s impact on fishing.
“Mass. Fishermen’s Partnership says "Cape Wind puts fishermen at risk"
"Navigation of mobile fishing gear between the 130 wind towers would be hazardous or impossible"
"Insignificant" hazard to safe navigation?
This heep of hype is pretty tough to cut through, isn't it Mav?
A dozen green "leaders" signed this:
“...no significant impacts on fishery resources during the construction, operation, and decommissioning phases of the project...” “...any impacts are expected to be temporary and relatively insignificant…”
And a Coalition of 18 Massachusetts commercial fishing organizations calls on Cape Wind to "stop making false claims" about their offshore wind project’s impact on fishing.
“Mass. Fishermen’s Partnership says "Cape Wind puts fishermen at risk"
"Navigation of mobile fishing gear between the 130 wind towers would be hazardous or impossible"
"Insignificant" hazard to safe navigation?
This heep of hype is pretty tough to cut through, isn't it Mav?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
Neil:
Regarding your comment:
"MIT’s R. Lindzen said, “Much of the current alarm is based on ignorance of what is normal for weather and climate."
Fanning the flames of G.W. fear, and promoting ignorance, are the NRDC and Environmental Defense who were among the top recipients of almost $125 million in grants that federal government agencies gave for climate change-related projects. According to a report from the George Marshall Institute, NDRC took in $6.7 million in grants from left-leaning foundations and government agencies. Environmental Defense garnered just over $5 million.
The truth about G.W., and Cape Wind is outing.
Regarding your comment:
"MIT’s R. Lindzen said, “Much of the current alarm is based on ignorance of what is normal for weather and climate."
Fanning the flames of G.W. fear, and promoting ignorance, are the NRDC and Environmental Defense who were among the top recipients of almost $125 million in grants that federal government agencies gave for climate change-related projects. According to a report from the George Marshall Institute, NDRC took in $6.7 million in grants from left-leaning foundations and government agencies. Environmental Defense garnered just over $5 million.
The truth about G.W., and Cape Wind is outing.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
MEPA and the Cape Cod Commission have been repeatedly informed by Cape Wind and fans that their jurisdiction is limited, while the state, particularly Cape and Islands residents, would suffer most of the adverse impacts.
This FEIR is unresponsive to the certificates issued on the DEIS and NPC by the Secretary of Environmental Affairs. It does not avoid, minimize or mitigate foreseeable Cape Wind environmental impacts as required. If anything, this FEIR minimizes and ignores environmental impacts that have been predicted in previous testimony to the USACE.
The Cape Wind state FEIR, just like the federal DEIS, is “at best incomplete, too often inaccurate and/or misleading."
This FEIR is unresponsive to the certificates issued on the DEIS and NPC by the Secretary of Environmental Affairs. It does not avoid, minimize or mitigate foreseeable Cape Wind environmental impacts as required. If anything, this FEIR minimizes and ignores environmental impacts that have been predicted in previous testimony to the USACE.
The Cape Wind state FEIR, just like the federal DEIS, is “at best incomplete, too often inaccurate and/or misleading."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Yes, Emma, you can be president
In response to: Yes, Emma, you can be president
Jack:
Emma is lovely. As the apple does not fall far from the trees, I have no doubt that she has the character that would make her a fine President.
Will you serve as her campaign manager?
Please let her know that she can count on my vote.
Emma is lovely. As the apple does not fall far from the trees, I have no doubt that she has the character that would make her a fine President.
Will you serve as her campaign manager?
Please let her know that she can count on my vote.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Ketpass1:
Wind turbines are not “useless.”
The Danish Trade Council reports wind turbine exportation accounts for U.S $1.5 billion. More than 40 per cent of the total private workforce, 712,000 Danes, are employed directly or indirectly because of exports.
Lego of “Legoland” (Denmark), reported a pretax loss of US$26 million in August 2005; and announced it would move a production factory in Switzerland to the Czech Republic, (AP).
Jeffrey Immelt, CEO and Chairman of the Board of GE, operating in more than 100 countries, employing over 300,000 people, with revenues of over $131 billion in 2002; by Thomas Donlan (5/16/05 issue of Barrons) who stated:
“It is shameful that GE, a highly profitable company, has decided to take advantage of faulty federal and state wind energy policies by producing turbines for "wind farms."
Jeffry Immelt understands this, but he provided the executive's counter argument:
“The customers want it, so it's GE's job to produce it."
Wind turbines are not “useless.”
The Danish Trade Council reports wind turbine exportation accounts for U.S $1.5 billion. More than 40 per cent of the total private workforce, 712,000 Danes, are employed directly or indirectly because of exports.
Lego of “Legoland” (Denmark), reported a pretax loss of US$26 million in August 2005; and announced it would move a production factory in Switzerland to the Czech Republic, (AP).
Jeffrey Immelt, CEO and Chairman of the Board of GE, operating in more than 100 countries, employing over 300,000 people, with revenues of over $131 billion in 2002; by Thomas Donlan (5/16/05 issue of Barrons) who stated:
“It is shameful that GE, a highly profitable company, has decided to take advantage of faulty federal and state wind energy policies by producing turbines for "wind farms."
Jeffry Immelt understands this, but he provided the executive's counter argument:
“The customers want it, so it's GE's job to produce it."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Buzz:
MSN Money financial writer, Michael Brush:
"Other renewable sources not enough.
With the help of government subsidies, power companies have experimented with "renewable" energy sources like wind and solar power for years. So far, they’re not convinced there’s a bright future in the near term. Part of the problem with wind power is that turbines only run about 35% of the time. So it is hard to generate enough electricity to cover costs in a way that makes the power cheap enough to compete, says Helen Howes, the vice president of environment, health and safety at Exelon.
Ironically, given that many environmentalists oppose nuclear energy, atomic power may be the best way to cut down on so-called greenhouse-gas emissions, which may cause global warming.
If global nuclear capacity tripled by 2050, that would cut the expected increase in carbon emissions by a fourth, says a 2003 Massachusetts Institute of Technology study called "the Future of Nuclear Power."
MSN Money financial writer, Michael Brush:
"Other renewable sources not enough.
With the help of government subsidies, power companies have experimented with "renewable" energy sources like wind and solar power for years. So far, they’re not convinced there’s a bright future in the near term. Part of the problem with wind power is that turbines only run about 35% of the time. So it is hard to generate enough electricity to cover costs in a way that makes the power cheap enough to compete, says Helen Howes, the vice president of environment, health and safety at Exelon.
Ironically, given that many environmentalists oppose nuclear energy, atomic power may be the best way to cut down on so-called greenhouse-gas emissions, which may cause global warming.
If global nuclear capacity tripled by 2050, that would cut the expected increase in carbon emissions by a fourth, says a 2003 Massachusetts Institute of Technology study called "the Future of Nuclear Power."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Air heading west? Gore wows Washington; Murray promises much
In response to: Cape Air heading west? Gore wows Washington; Murray promises much
Al Gore, the man who invented the internet, belongs in Hollywood. I hope that Deval Patrick joins him there.
“Generation Investment Management's U.S. branch is headed by a former Gore staffer and fund-raiser, Peter S. Knight, who once was the target of probes by the Federal Election Commission and the Department of Justice.”
“Hobbs points out Gore stands to make a lot of money from his promotion of the alleged "global warming" threat, which is disputed by many mainstream scientists.”
"In other words, he 'buys' his 'carbon offsets' from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself," Hobbs writes.
"To be blunt, Gore doesn't buy 'carbon offsets' through Generation Investment Management – he buys stocks."
“Generation Investment Management's U.S. branch is headed by a former Gore staffer and fund-raiser, Peter S. Knight, who once was the target of probes by the Federal Election Commission and the Department of Justice.”
“Hobbs points out Gore stands to make a lot of money from his promotion of the alleged "global warming" threat, which is disputed by many mainstream scientists.”
"In other words, he 'buys' his 'carbon offsets' from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself," Hobbs writes.
"To be blunt, Gore doesn't buy 'carbon offsets' through Generation Investment Management – he buys stocks."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Buzz:
Cape Wind poses a threat to birds and the wind industry, and humans.
Excerpts of a letter regarding the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area:
“Our combined credentials include more than 175 years as practicing scientists in fields related to wildlife conservation with a particular focus on raptorial birds.”
“We agree with those spokespeople of the industry who point out that many more birds are killed by collisions with windows, wires and towering structures including skyscrapers. Domestic and feral cats take an unacceptable number of birds and other wildlife. But golden eagles, red-tailed hawks, burrowing owls, and other species of particular concern are killed in disproportionate numbers at Altamont.”
“Citizens of Alameda County place an increasing value on wildlife. This value must now be a component of longer-term planning. Wind farms will provide energy but will kill birds and bats; they must therefore be located, at least in the future, in areas where damage is minimal.”
Cape Wind poses a threat to birds and the wind industry, and humans.
Excerpts of a letter regarding the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area:
“Our combined credentials include more than 175 years as practicing scientists in fields related to wildlife conservation with a particular focus on raptorial birds.”
“We agree with those spokespeople of the industry who point out that many more birds are killed by collisions with windows, wires and towering structures including skyscrapers. Domestic and feral cats take an unacceptable number of birds and other wildlife. But golden eagles, red-tailed hawks, burrowing owls, and other species of particular concern are killed in disproportionate numbers at Altamont.”
“Citizens of Alameda County place an increasing value on wildlife. This value must now be a component of longer-term planning. Wind farms will provide energy but will kill birds and bats; they must therefore be located, at least in the future, in areas where damage is minimal.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
Bobcat:
I think Capri has it right that the Cape Cod Commission has jurisdiction here. I know there is an issue with eel grass distance, proximity.
According to the certificate of the Secretary of Environmental Affairs on the ENF:
“The portion of the project within Massachusetts will require a 401 Water Quality Certificate and a Chapter 91 License from the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP); approval from the Massachusetts Energy Facilities Siting Board (EFSB); a construction permit from the Massachusetts Highway Department; and an Order of Conditions from the Barnstable and Yarmouth Conservation Commissions (and hence Superseding Order(s) from DEP if one or both local Order(s) were appealed).”
I think Capri has it right that the Cape Cod Commission has jurisdiction here. I know there is an issue with eel grass distance, proximity.
According to the certificate of the Secretary of Environmental Affairs on the ENF:
“The portion of the project within Massachusetts will require a 401 Water Quality Certificate and a Chapter 91 License from the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP); approval from the Massachusetts Energy Facilities Siting Board (EFSB); a construction permit from the Massachusetts Highway Department; and an Order of Conditions from the Barnstable and Yarmouth Conservation Commissions (and hence Superseding Order(s) from DEP if one or both local Order(s) were appealed).”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
Capri:
Perhaps, you are correct that Cape Wind's proponents seemed topic challenged at the Cape Cod Commission Meeting.
I fail to understand how criticism of the Alliance, and of the many other speakers, produced what the CCC was looking for, comments on the FEIR, (that failed to address, downplayed and ignored serious environmental, economic, and public safety concerns presented by Cape Wind).
I don't have a problem with Cape Wind's proponents singing to the Cape Cod Commission; and telling them that they have no jurisdiction.
I just wonder how impressed the Cape Cod Commission members were with them.
Jim Gordon and Mark Rodgers, who elected not speak, may have determined that the CCC is not worth their own efforts to impress.
We saw some strange but interesting strategies deployed on Monday night.
Perhaps, you are correct that Cape Wind's proponents seemed topic challenged at the Cape Cod Commission Meeting.
I fail to understand how criticism of the Alliance, and of the many other speakers, produced what the CCC was looking for, comments on the FEIR, (that failed to address, downplayed and ignored serious environmental, economic, and public safety concerns presented by Cape Wind).
I don't have a problem with Cape Wind's proponents singing to the Cape Cod Commission; and telling them that they have no jurisdiction.
I just wonder how impressed the Cape Cod Commission members were with them.
Jim Gordon and Mark Rodgers, who elected not speak, may have determined that the CCC is not worth their own efforts to impress.
We saw some strange but interesting strategies deployed on Monday night.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
Carl:
Good point, most projects fail to reach permitting due to delay tactics. And, good siting practice is important to a projects' economic viability. I suggest that you consider that Cape Wind has selected this site due to economics based on development cost that they have interest in reducing. While, shut downs, due to bird killing by inappropriately sited wind plants, threaten the economic viability of wind projects. And, wind tower siting guidelines, (stay away from areas where the ESA presents a conflict), respond to the bird kill threat that threatens wind plants' economic viability.
Nantucket Sound is an endangered species habitat and flyway.
If you are advocating for this industry, pay attention.
I think that you should sing at every hearing.
Good point, most projects fail to reach permitting due to delay tactics. And, good siting practice is important to a projects' economic viability. I suggest that you consider that Cape Wind has selected this site due to economics based on development cost that they have interest in reducing. While, shut downs, due to bird killing by inappropriately sited wind plants, threaten the economic viability of wind projects. And, wind tower siting guidelines, (stay away from areas where the ESA presents a conflict), respond to the bird kill threat that threatens wind plants' economic viability.
Nantucket Sound is an endangered species habitat and flyway.
If you are advocating for this industry, pay attention.
I think that you should sing at every hearing.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
Jack:
Cape Wind has been thumbing its nose at the federal regulators as an unresponsive recalcitrant applicant.
The Cape Cod Commission can't hold a "hearing" as Cape Wind failed to produce an up to date abutters list so that the CCC could conduct adequate notice.
USFWS NE has repeatedly requested avian data that they need from Cape Wind to provide their considered opinion on this project since 2002.
"At Cape Wind's peril" is long overdue.
P.S. The Cape Wind (state) FEIR is just as inaccurate, misleading, and deficient as the (federal) DEIS.
If I was a regulatory reviewing agency, Cape Wind would be in peril as they should be in peril for being non-responsive to directives issued by federal regulators.
Cape Wind has been thumbing its nose at the federal regulators as an unresponsive recalcitrant applicant.
The Cape Cod Commission can't hold a "hearing" as Cape Wind failed to produce an up to date abutters list so that the CCC could conduct adequate notice.
USFWS NE has repeatedly requested avian data that they need from Cape Wind to provide their considered opinion on this project since 2002.
"At Cape Wind's peril" is long overdue.
P.S. The Cape Wind (state) FEIR is just as inaccurate, misleading, and deficient as the (federal) DEIS.
If I was a regulatory reviewing agency, Cape Wind would be in peril as they should be in peril for being non-responsive to directives issued by federal regulators.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: End of the World, etc
In response to: End of the World, etc
Buzz:
Your comment strongly suggests that you support Cape Wind because you're under the impression that if it's constructed no more lives will be lost for oil, and terrorists' attacks will cease.
Do you also suppose that Cape Wind would dint global warming? Spare Manhattan Island from catastrophic flooding? reduce your electric bill? aid search and rescue efforts? be a "friend to fishermen"? pose no threat to humans or wildlife? span 24 square miles as 130 towers that would eclipse the Statue of Liberty, and appear no bigger than a matchstick?
...AND save the planet?
If so, Jim Gordon as a salesman is a legend.
Your comment strongly suggests that you support Cape Wind because you're under the impression that if it's constructed no more lives will be lost for oil, and terrorists' attacks will cease.
Do you also suppose that Cape Wind would dint global warming? Spare Manhattan Island from catastrophic flooding? reduce your electric bill? aid search and rescue efforts? be a "friend to fishermen"? pose no threat to humans or wildlife? span 24 square miles as 130 towers that would eclipse the Statue of Liberty, and appear no bigger than a matchstick?
...AND save the planet?
If so, Jim Gordon as a salesman is a legend.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
MMS acknowledges in their PEIS that cumulative adverse impacts increase when alternative energy facilities are sited where more activities are ongoing in a single region. Adverse impacts such as construction & operational noise, marine vessel strikes, adverse impacts to fish, marine mammals, coastal birds/migrating birds, visual resources, and archeological resources increase exponentially in areas that compare to Nantucket Sound.
“The potential for cumulative adverse impacts to these resources would require particular attention when planning and siting new alternative energy facilities.”
I could not agree more.
“…electrocution of ship personnel if fishing vessel equipment became caught on undersea cables…,” may be something that we can also avoid if we pay particular attention when planning and siting these facilities.
“The potential for cumulative adverse impacts to these resources would require particular attention when planning and siting new alternative energy facilities.”
I could not agree more.
“…electrocution of ship personnel if fishing vessel equipment became caught on undersea cables…,” may be something that we can also avoid if we pay particular attention when planning and siting these facilities.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
Jack:
Regarding your observation, "In response to Barbara D. - to the extent that Cape Wind is falling short as you describe, and state and federal regulators agree with your assessment, Cape Wind does so at its peril."
The Cape Cod Commission is a regional land use planning and regulatory agency. MEPA and the Cape Cod Commission have a formal process for coordinated joint review of projects pursuant to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the two agencies.
Cape Wind is not falling short as italics > I describe> as I am parroting the Cape Cod Commission Report addressing the deficient Cape Wind FEIR. The Cape Cod Commission italics> Is> a regulatory agency, and I am in agreement with italics> Their> assessment.
Regarding your observation, "In response to Barbara D. - to the extent that Cape Wind is falling short as you describe, and state and federal regulators agree with your assessment, Cape Wind does so at its peril."
The Cape Cod Commission is a regional land use planning and regulatory agency. MEPA and the Cape Cod Commission have a formal process for coordinated joint review of projects pursuant to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the two agencies.
Cape Wind is not falling short as italics > I describe> as I am parroting the Cape Cod Commission Report addressing the deficient Cape Wind FEIR. The Cape Cod Commission italics> Is> a regulatory agency, and I am in agreement with italics> Their> assessment.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
Neil:
Your contribution made at 2:28 PM, regarding the North Texas Wind Resistance Alliance synopsis, nails this issue.
Buzz:
Your comment, "Apparently, Barbara and Capri have been feeding us bad information all this time."
...is as conspicuously vague as Cape Wind's comments to regulatory agencies. And, I thought that theirs was an impossible act to follow.
Your contribution made at 2:28 PM, regarding the North Texas Wind Resistance Alliance synopsis, nails this issue.
Buzz:
Your comment, "Apparently, Barbara and Capri have been feeding us bad information all this time."
...is as conspicuously vague as Cape Wind's comments to regulatory agencies. And, I thought that theirs was an impossible act to follow.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
Jack:
Cape Wind’s FEIR filed on 2/15 provides 30 days for interested parties to review 4,000 pages referencing a 4,000 page Cape Wind DEIS; and to comment upon the adequacy of the FEIR.
Inadequate review time created by faulty policy benefits this developer at the expense of interested parties.
Cape Wind’s M.O. is to exploit defective policy as evidenced by this filing, and their attempt to exploit the “donut hole” of federal water, etc.
If the Secretary of Environmental Affairs is “minding the store”, their response will be that the FEIR is deficient as Cape Wind has been unresponsive to concerns expressed as certificates on the DEIS and NPC.
If the Secretary of Environmental Affairs fails to adequately protect the Public Trust during this process, future court decisions/failed project/unable to mitigate adverse impacts/may determine that our regulators have not done their jobs.
Cape Wind could walk away from financial responsibility associated with an environmental disaster, but not the public.
Cape Wind’s FEIR filed on 2/15 provides 30 days for interested parties to review 4,000 pages referencing a 4,000 page Cape Wind DEIS; and to comment upon the adequacy of the FEIR.
Inadequate review time created by faulty policy benefits this developer at the expense of interested parties.
Cape Wind’s M.O. is to exploit defective policy as evidenced by this filing, and their attempt to exploit the “donut hole” of federal water, etc.
If the Secretary of Environmental Affairs is “minding the store”, their response will be that the FEIR is deficient as Cape Wind has been unresponsive to concerns expressed as certificates on the DEIS and NPC.
If the Secretary of Environmental Affairs fails to adequately protect the Public Trust during this process, future court decisions/failed project/unable to mitigate adverse impacts/may determine that our regulators have not done their jobs.
Cape Wind could walk away from financial responsibility associated with an environmental disaster, but not the public.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20240
October 16, 2002
“Although land use plans combined with appropriate levels of environmental analysis will be used to assess individual wind energy project proposals, the BLM's overall wind energy policy is to minimize negative impacts to the natural, cultural, and visual resources on the public lands. Negative impacts can be minimized by avoiding special management areas with land use restrictions, avoiding major avian (bird) migration routes and areas of critical habitat for species of concern, establishing siting criteria to minimize soil disturbance and erosion on steep slopes, utilizing visual resource management guidelines to assist in proper siting of facilities, avoiding significant historic and cultural resource sites, and mitigating conflicts with other uses of the public lands.”
BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20240
October 16, 2002
“Although land use plans combined with appropriate levels of environmental analysis will be used to assess individual wind energy project proposals, the BLM's overall wind energy policy is to minimize negative impacts to the natural, cultural, and visual resources on the public lands. Negative impacts can be minimized by avoiding special management areas with land use restrictions, avoiding major avian (bird) migration routes and areas of critical habitat for species of concern, establishing siting criteria to minimize soil disturbance and erosion on steep slopes, utilizing visual resource management guidelines to assist in proper siting of facilities, avoiding significant historic and cultural resource sites, and mitigating conflicts with other uses of the public lands.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
The project FEIR and DRI submitted to the EOEA MEPA unit neither minimizes nor mitigates foreseeable Cape Wind environmental impacts as required, Jack.
The Cape Wind FEIR has not met the requirements of the Secretary of Environmental Affair’s certificates on the DEIS and Notice of Project Change (NPC).
The Cape Cod Commission was unable to obtain an up-to-date abutters list from Cape Wind, so the Commission was not able to adequately notice a hearing in accordance with the Cape Cod Commission Act.
Cape Wind undermines and handicaps the review process. Cape Wind simultaneously acts to deny the public adequate time and opportunity to review and comment on undetermined agreements, reports, unspecified mitigation, and the unspecified alternatives presented in the FEIR.
The FEIR is deficient as it is unresponsive to the certificates issued on the DEIS and NPC by the Secretary of Environmental Affairs. The Secretary, accordingly, should determine that the Cape Wind FEIR is grossly inadequate.
The Cape Wind FEIR has not met the requirements of the Secretary of Environmental Affair’s certificates on the DEIS and Notice of Project Change (NPC).
The Cape Cod Commission was unable to obtain an up-to-date abutters list from Cape Wind, so the Commission was not able to adequately notice a hearing in accordance with the Cape Cod Commission Act.
Cape Wind undermines and handicaps the review process. Cape Wind simultaneously acts to deny the public adequate time and opportunity to review and comment on undetermined agreements, reports, unspecified mitigation, and the unspecified alternatives presented in the FEIR.
The FEIR is deficient as it is unresponsive to the certificates issued on the DEIS and NPC by the Secretary of Environmental Affairs. The Secretary, accordingly, should determine that the Cape Wind FEIR is grossly inadequate.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
Imco35:
Does policy at Cape Cod Today provide you with a "special exemption" like the Energy bill provided exclusively to Cape Wind?
You are "dominating" this Post, (multiple infractions), in violation of the "simple rules" that require wind plant opponents to wait until a comment is commented upon prior to making another comment.
Does policy at Cape Cod Today provide you with a "special exemption" like the Energy bill provided exclusively to Cape Wind?
You are "dominating" this Post, (multiple infractions), in violation of the "simple rules" that require wind plant opponents to wait until a comment is commented upon prior to making another comment.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
“The Peer Review Committee consists of six internationally recognized experts in wind
energy (see below) who have kindly volunteered to review draft documents to support the
decision-making process of the US Army Corps of Engineers New England District
(USACE) regarding the Cape Wind project.”
“Serious concern was expressed about the long-term viability of the project and the
possibility of project failure. One reviewer observed that an abandoned wind farm at sea
would seem to be the worst possible environmental outcome, with no benefits to offset
the impacts. The history of wind projects in the United States has included numerous
technology problems, and several failed, bankrupt projects. One reviewer was concerned
about the proposed turbines, an early commercial use of turbines that size, let alone in the
marine environment. The reviewer felt that a project scaled within the limited industry
offshore experience base could help insure the long-term viability of the proposed wind
farm.”
energy (see below) who have kindly volunteered to review draft documents to support the
decision-making process of the US Army Corps of Engineers New England District
(USACE) regarding the Cape Wind project.”
“Serious concern was expressed about the long-term viability of the project and the
possibility of project failure. One reviewer observed that an abandoned wind farm at sea
would seem to be the worst possible environmental outcome, with no benefits to offset
the impacts. The history of wind projects in the United States has included numerous
technology problems, and several failed, bankrupt projects. One reviewer was concerned
about the proposed turbines, an early commercial use of turbines that size, let alone in the
marine environment. The reviewer felt that a project scaled within the limited industry
offshore experience base could help insure the long-term viability of the proposed wind
farm.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
Would Cape Wind be beautiful to behold? Would lipstick flatter a pig? What about our lack of coastal zoning; no competitive bid; developer land grab; no siting provisions; illegal spot zoning; untested technology and harsh inaccessible marine conditions; navigational hazards to major transportation and commercial routes; no comprehensive ocean policy; DOD confirmed radar interference; special Energy bill exemption to this developer; no exit strategy for a failed mission; adverse effects on marine life and avian life; threat to heritage trades-aboriginal fishing rights; a “misleading” Environmental Impact Statement; safety of search and rescue operations; Federal vs. State rights; adverse visual impact to historic districts and NHLs; violation of State Sanctuary; tax benefits and subsidies of $1 billion dollars to a private developer???
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Capri:
Regarding your excellent point about the decommissioning of the wind turbines; and that this information is missing from the FEIR:
The Peer Review Committee, consisting of six internationally recognized experts in wind energy generation, had this to say about Cape Wind and decommissioning to the USACE, on September 30, 2003:
“From an environmental point of view, the largest risk that reviewers see is a failed project leaving behind an offshore wind farm that is not operational, without sufficient income to address essential maintenance. An abandoned wind farm at sea would seem to be the worst possible environmental outcome.”
Regarding your excellent point about the decommissioning of the wind turbines; and that this information is missing from the FEIR:
The Peer Review Committee, consisting of six internationally recognized experts in wind energy generation, had this to say about Cape Wind and decommissioning to the USACE, on September 30, 2003:
“From an environmental point of view, the largest risk that reviewers see is a failed project leaving behind an offshore wind farm that is not operational, without sufficient income to address essential maintenance. An abandoned wind farm at sea would seem to be the worst possible environmental outcome.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Ringo:
Cape Wind is under review within the National Environmental Policy Act. NEPA asserts that it is the responsibility of the Federal Government to assure for all Americans safe, healthful, productive, and aesthetically and culturally pleasing surroundings and; to attain the widest range of beneficial uses of the environment without degradation, risk to health or safety, or other undesirable and unintended consequences.
A true NEPA review will prevent a project that presents risk to public safety; adverse impact to cultural and aesthetic values; and that would cause degradation of this environment.
Massachusetts Executive Office of Environmental Affairs noted significant shortcomings in the draft Environmental Impact Statement and wrote a 26-page decision outlining additional work areas to be addressed by the applicant, Cape Wind.
This project draft Environmental Impact Statement was also found grossly deficient by federal agencies, and was given a “Category 3 – Inadequate” rating by EPA Region 1.
Cape Wind is under review within the National Environmental Policy Act. NEPA asserts that it is the responsibility of the Federal Government to assure for all Americans safe, healthful, productive, and aesthetically and culturally pleasing surroundings and; to attain the widest range of beneficial uses of the environment without degradation, risk to health or safety, or other undesirable and unintended consequences.
A true NEPA review will prevent a project that presents risk to public safety; adverse impact to cultural and aesthetic values; and that would cause degradation of this environment.
Massachusetts Executive Office of Environmental Affairs noted significant shortcomings in the draft Environmental Impact Statement and wrote a 26-page decision outlining additional work areas to be addressed by the applicant, Cape Wind.
This project draft Environmental Impact Statement was also found grossly deficient by federal agencies, and was given a “Category 3 – Inadequate” rating by EPA Region 1.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Sierra Club Executive Director backs Cape Wind process
In response to: Sierra Club Executive Director backs Cape Wind process
I just wanted to point out, Dick, that you did not respond to my point/concern that the Sierra Club is apparently prepared to ignore their own wind tower siting guidelines when it comes to Cape Wind.
Pope told Cape Cod Today, "This is a good project, and as long as it is built within the guidelines being developed by the ongoing process, we will support it."
The Sierra Club usually opposes wind projects that are proposed in areas that are "Not Appropriate" "Critical habitat for Rare, Threatened or Endangered Species or habitat for indigenous species critical to a region or state's biodiversity”
There are many documented endangered species in Nantucket Sound that are critical to the region's biodiversity.
Federally endangered roseate terns, threatened piping plovers, federally endangered sea turtles, protected marine mammal species, federally regulated finfish and shellfish are present in Nantucket Sound. Does Mr. Pope of the Sierra Club recognize this?
Pope told Cape Cod Today, "This is a good project, and as long as it is built within the guidelines being developed by the ongoing process, we will support it."
The Sierra Club usually opposes wind projects that are proposed in areas that are "Not Appropriate" "Critical habitat for Rare, Threatened or Endangered Species or habitat for indigenous species critical to a region or state's biodiversity”
There are many documented endangered species in Nantucket Sound that are critical to the region's biodiversity.
Federally endangered roseate terns, threatened piping plovers, federally endangered sea turtles, protected marine mammal species, federally regulated finfish and shellfish are present in Nantucket Sound. Does Mr. Pope of the Sierra Club recognize this?
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Mattmesi:
I agree with your position that we need spare Nantucket Sound from industrial development as a first step.
Some places are just not suitable for an industrial scale wind facility. Nantucket Sound should be under consideration for the Heritage Tourism program by the National Trust for Historic Preservation.
The developer, Cape Wind, has selected one of the world's finest surviving examples of a historic whaling port as we did not map and zone the ocean areas for alternative use-First. Due to our negligence, we are looking at potential haphazard development of our precious and finite resource, as development is being directed by developers.
I agree with your position that we need spare Nantucket Sound from industrial development as a first step.
Some places are just not suitable for an industrial scale wind facility. Nantucket Sound should be under consideration for the Heritage Tourism program by the National Trust for Historic Preservation.
The developer, Cape Wind, has selected one of the world's finest surviving examples of a historic whaling port as we did not map and zone the ocean areas for alternative use-First. Due to our negligence, we are looking at potential haphazard development of our precious and finite resource, as development is being directed by developers.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Dick:
Regarding your comment:
"Investors and market forces don't appreciate "good intentions" or planet preserving decisions, unless everyone is compelled to play by the same rules by enforced policies."
Average citizens are not so different.
Many of us are wisely skeptical, and don't appreciate "good intentions" as much as we do fact based planet preserving decisions. And, many of us would prefer that Cape Wind was compelled to play by the same rules as other alternative energy projects. A "no-bid" deal, exclusive to Cape Wind, serves the developer, not the citizens.
Your comments below are challenging to reconcile:
"Global warming, sea level rise and hurricanes really don't play any part in the Cape Wind siting controversy, either pro or con, and Al Gore, for whatever reason, is running far ahead of the scientific consensus on "melt."
“When the Cape gets its Katrina, don't call me, call Durkin or Dona or Neil.”
Regarding your comment:
"Investors and market forces don't appreciate "good intentions" or planet preserving decisions, unless everyone is compelled to play by the same rules by enforced policies."
Average citizens are not so different.
Many of us are wisely skeptical, and don't appreciate "good intentions" as much as we do fact based planet preserving decisions. And, many of us would prefer that Cape Wind was compelled to play by the same rules as other alternative energy projects. A "no-bid" deal, exclusive to Cape Wind, serves the developer, not the citizens.
Your comments below are challenging to reconcile:
"Global warming, sea level rise and hurricanes really don't play any part in the Cape Wind siting controversy, either pro or con, and Al Gore, for whatever reason, is running far ahead of the scientific consensus on "melt."
“When the Cape gets its Katrina, don't call me, call Durkin or Dona or Neil.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Form and Function, Aesthetics and Renewable Energy
In response to: Form and Function, Aesthetics and Renewable Energy
I've been admonished by environmentalists for using the phrase "properly sited wind towers" suggestion made that it’s an oxymoron; premise-wind energy costs exceed real benefits, wind harnessing has not served the purpose, clean air, and we need a White Paper analysis.
Assuming that wind power delivers on promises, it also requires expansive land and ocean area. Cape Wind's terms as set forth by CLF require them to pay 1/15,360 of the value of the 24 square mile footprint of this project that construction will surely, at least, exclude the public for safety reasons, precedents exist.
I have no financial interest whatsoever in the outcome of this permitting process of Cape Wind. I have no interest in building on Cape Cod and the islands, or have I done so previously. I just see a freight train headed for an ecosystem, wildlife and residents where there exists an intimate relationship between the residents and the inhabitants and Nantucket Sound that Cape Wind would destroy, that being a way of life.
Assuming that wind power delivers on promises, it also requires expansive land and ocean area. Cape Wind's terms as set forth by CLF require them to pay 1/15,360 of the value of the 24 square mile footprint of this project that construction will surely, at least, exclude the public for safety reasons, precedents exist.
I have no financial interest whatsoever in the outcome of this permitting process of Cape Wind. I have no interest in building on Cape Cod and the islands, or have I done so previously. I just see a freight train headed for an ecosystem, wildlife and residents where there exists an intimate relationship between the residents and the inhabitants and Nantucket Sound that Cape Wind would destroy, that being a way of life.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
The Facts Also Rise
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Tuesday, February 06, 2007
“Climate Change: A funny thing happened on the way to the global warming apocalypse: Scientists are getting less worried about sea level rises. Not that you'd know from coverage of the latest scientific consensus report.”
“Global warming enthusiasts constantly spin out fearsome tales that human-caused warming will melt the polar ice caps, cause the oceans to rise by 20 feet or more and devastate major cities around the world.”
“While Gore & Co. make it look like this melt could happen, no credible scientist believes it. As environmental reporter Gregg Easterbrook put it, "Gore says the entire Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets could melt rapidly; the film then jumps to animation of Manhattan flooded. Well, all that ice might melt really fast, and a UFO might land in London too."
“Given the record of global warming scientists, and Earth's own long-term climate record, these are big assumptions indeed.”
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Tuesday, February 06, 2007
“Climate Change: A funny thing happened on the way to the global warming apocalypse: Scientists are getting less worried about sea level rises. Not that you'd know from coverage of the latest scientific consensus report.”
“Global warming enthusiasts constantly spin out fearsome tales that human-caused warming will melt the polar ice caps, cause the oceans to rise by 20 feet or more and devastate major cities around the world.”
“While Gore & Co. make it look like this melt could happen, no credible scientist believes it. As environmental reporter Gregg Easterbrook put it, "Gore says the entire Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets could melt rapidly; the film then jumps to animation of Manhattan flooded. Well, all that ice might melt really fast, and a UFO might land in London too."
“Given the record of global warming scientists, and Earth's own long-term climate record, these are big assumptions indeed.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind's president too nice of a guy?
In response to: Cape Wind's president too nice of a guy?
Imco35:
You are being intrusive, and asking me to account for endless hours of the value of my time, absence from my other life, family life, as I am devoted this cause. Consider the time and energy, that extends well beyond my Blog efforts, and I am financially much poorer. Is is so hard for you to consider that some people embrace issues because they identify them as important?
I'm advocating for the long term preservation of Nantucket Sound that includes the preclusion of inappropriate development here.
I think that Nantucket Sound is a national treasure worth my time and personal and financial sacrifice to defend and protect.
You are being intrusive, and asking me to account for endless hours of the value of my time, absence from my other life, family life, as I am devoted this cause. Consider the time and energy, that extends well beyond my Blog efforts, and I am financially much poorer. Is is so hard for you to consider that some people embrace issues because they identify them as important?
I'm advocating for the long term preservation of Nantucket Sound that includes the preclusion of inappropriate development here.
I think that Nantucket Sound is a national treasure worth my time and personal and financial sacrifice to defend and protect.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Global warming is a theory, (show me I’m from Missouri). Where is the data that supports the proposed solution is a solution to global warming?
Hilarious:
Dale Osborn, transmission technical director, Midwest Independent Transmission System Operator (MISO), which orchestrates distribution of power among 15 states and one Canadian province…
“The volatile, unpredictable nature of wind is another problem. A recent study showed that in the summer, when winds tend to blow slower than in the other three seasons, 86 percent of the potential electrical capacity of wind turbines will be idle.”
"Wind is like having a car that's out of fuel when you need it the most," Osborn said.
“Maintenance crews work at all hours in all weather, sometimes to the chagrin of their families. The workers have a nickname for a wind turbine: "We call it, 'The other woman,' " Grayson said.”
Hilarious:
Dale Osborn, transmission technical director, Midwest Independent Transmission System Operator (MISO), which orchestrates distribution of power among 15 states and one Canadian province…
“The volatile, unpredictable nature of wind is another problem. A recent study showed that in the summer, when winds tend to blow slower than in the other three seasons, 86 percent of the potential electrical capacity of wind turbines will be idle.”
"Wind is like having a car that's out of fuel when you need it the most," Osborn said.
“Maintenance crews work at all hours in all weather, sometimes to the chagrin of their families. The workers have a nickname for a wind turbine: "We call it, 'The other woman,' " Grayson said.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Wind's president too nice of a guy?
In response to: Cape Wind's president too nice of a guy?
Mr. Farley:
Regarding your comment: "When offered their own blog site by a Cape Cod Today editor, the "gang" said their leaders (back on the Mother Ship?)said "No go," apparently preferring a guerilla blog hit squad to reasonable conversations "on topic."
I asked Walter Brooks for a Blog when Capri launched Cafe Capri. His terms were posed to me, not them, and they included that I could only Blog if I agreed to speak for the Alliance. I declined, not the Alliance, as I stated to Walter, "It would be disingenous" for me to "speak for the Alliance." I speak for myself as always, and save all correspondence.
My husband finds the suggestion that I take orders to be comical.
Why is it so difficult for some Cape Wind proponents to accept that the opposition to Cape Wind proposed for Nantucket Sound extends well beyond the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound?
Jim Gordon may very well be a nice guy; but some places are just not suitable for an industrial scale wind facility.
Regarding your comment: "When offered their own blog site by a Cape Cod Today editor, the "gang" said their leaders (back on the Mother Ship?)said "No go," apparently preferring a guerilla blog hit squad to reasonable conversations "on topic."
I asked Walter Brooks for a Blog when Capri launched Cafe Capri. His terms were posed to me, not them, and they included that I could only Blog if I agreed to speak for the Alliance. I declined, not the Alliance, as I stated to Walter, "It would be disingenous" for me to "speak for the Alliance." I speak for myself as always, and save all correspondence.
My husband finds the suggestion that I take orders to be comical.
Why is it so difficult for some Cape Wind proponents to accept that the opposition to Cape Wind proposed for Nantucket Sound extends well beyond the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound?
Jim Gordon may very well be a nice guy; but some places are just not suitable for an industrial scale wind facility.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Gambling Offshore
In response to: Gambling Offshore
Ferson:
The fragility of the environment of Nantucket Sound is recognized by several among us, while this recognition comes at a price perceived by others, "dependence on fossil fuels." Believing this assumes acceptance of the notion that the benefits exceed the associated costs of wind energy generation.
I hope that the Mashpee Wampanoags fully assert their federal recognition status as a sovereign Native American nation to assist the cause to spare Nantucket Sound from inappropriate development in perpetuity.
Thank you very much for your serious comment. People do read this who share your view. Not all of them comment, but know that your viewpoint is appreciated and held by others.
The fragility of the environment of Nantucket Sound is recognized by several among us, while this recognition comes at a price perceived by others, "dependence on fossil fuels." Believing this assumes acceptance of the notion that the benefits exceed the associated costs of wind energy generation.
I hope that the Mashpee Wampanoags fully assert their federal recognition status as a sovereign Native American nation to assist the cause to spare Nantucket Sound from inappropriate development in perpetuity.
Thank you very much for your serious comment. People do read this who share your view. Not all of them comment, but know that your viewpoint is appreciated and held by others.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Sierra Club Executive Director backs Cape Wind process
In response to: Sierra Club Executive Director backs Cape Wind process
The Sierra Club wind tower siting guidelines also state they are opposed to wind towers being sited in:
"...areas of cultural significance, sacred lands, and other areas that have special scenic, natural or environmental value."
Cape Cod Times, Karen Jeffry: Tribe gets say on wind farm
''Historically the Sound is of great importance to the tribe,'' tribal spokesman Scott Fearson said. ''The tribe considers the Sound to be ancestral waters. There are a number of concerns about this project.''
''The Tribe's economic health and cultural heritage are virtually defined by our reliance on our coastal resources. ''The Cape Wind project would disrupt the fragile habitat of these aboriginal fishing grounds and pose new navigational hazards to our fleet. The consequences would be devastating, in terms of both economic development and public safety.''
The federally recognized Wampanoags recognize Nantucket Sound to be of cultural significance.
"...areas of cultural significance, sacred lands, and other areas that have special scenic, natural or environmental value."
Cape Cod Times, Karen Jeffry: Tribe gets say on wind farm
''Historically the Sound is of great importance to the tribe,'' tribal spokesman Scott Fearson said. ''The tribe considers the Sound to be ancestral waters. There are a number of concerns about this project.''
''The Tribe's economic health and cultural heritage are virtually defined by our reliance on our coastal resources. ''The Cape Wind project would disrupt the fragile habitat of these aboriginal fishing grounds and pose new navigational hazards to our fleet. The consequences would be devastating, in terms of both economic development and public safety.''
The federally recognized Wampanoags recognize Nantucket Sound to be of cultural significance.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
SM:
Regarding your comment:
"Can you imagine any other Chamber in the country promoting the interests of residents and visitors over that of their businesses?"
These interests are one in the same at a world recognized scenic, historic, tourist destination spot. Punish the tourists, like me, by substracting your scenic views, and punish the businesses that depend on tourism.
Nantucket Chamber:
"The 23-member Board of Directors of the Nantucket Island Chamber of Commerce representing over 660 businesses, organizations and individuals, has unanimously voted to go on record in opposition to the locating in Nantucket Sound of a wind park as proposed by Cape Wind Associates."
Regarding your comment:
"Can you imagine any other Chamber in the country promoting the interests of residents and visitors over that of their businesses?"
These interests are one in the same at a world recognized scenic, historic, tourist destination spot. Punish the tourists, like me, by substracting your scenic views, and punish the businesses that depend on tourism.
Nantucket Chamber:
"The 23-member Board of Directors of the Nantucket Island Chamber of Commerce representing over 660 businesses, organizations and individuals, has unanimously voted to go on record in opposition to the locating in Nantucket Sound of a wind park as proposed by Cape Wind Associates."
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Sierra Club Executive Director backs Cape Wind process
In response to: Sierra Club Executive Director backs Cape Wind process
Pope should take a peek at the Sierra Club's wind tower siting guidelines:
Sierra Club:
“OPPOSES DEVELOPMENT in protected areas such as national and state parks, national monuments, wilderness areas, wildlife refuges, designated roadless areas, critical habitat and designated habitat recovery areas for wildlife, and areas of cultural significance, sacred lands, and other areas that have special scenic, natural or environmental value. In these areas, it is inappropriate to build wind turbines, roads, transmission lines, or any other structure related to wind development.”
“NOT APPROPRIATE SITES The Sierra Club will usually oppose wind development in areas that are Not Appropriate (all the categories below include prior-designated or prior-proposed areas):
*Critical habitat for Rare, Threatened or Endangered Species or habitat for indigenous species critical to a region or state's biodiversity”
Nantucket Sound=endangered species habitat
Sierra Club:
“OPPOSES DEVELOPMENT in protected areas such as national and state parks, national monuments, wilderness areas, wildlife refuges, designated roadless areas, critical habitat and designated habitat recovery areas for wildlife, and areas of cultural significance, sacred lands, and other areas that have special scenic, natural or environmental value. In these areas, it is inappropriate to build wind turbines, roads, transmission lines, or any other structure related to wind development.”
“NOT APPROPRIATE SITES The Sierra Club will usually oppose wind development in areas that are Not Appropriate (all the categories below include prior-designated or prior-proposed areas):
*Critical habitat for Rare, Threatened or Endangered Species or habitat for indigenous species critical to a region or state's biodiversity”
Nantucket Sound=endangered species habitat
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
John O'Brien, representing the Cape Cod Chamber, to the MMS at scoping hearing:
"We have spent more than four years examining this project and listening to both sides of the debate and we remain opposed because it is ultimately only beneficial to the developer, not to the residents and visitors to Cape Cod."
Nantucket Chamber, 23 member BOD signed letter to USACE:
"Visitors come to Nantucket Sound to enjoy and appreciate our environment and historic integrity, not to be confronted with an industrial blight on the beautiful horizon of Nantucket Sound."
As your tourist and visitor, I fully agree with the Cape Cod Chamber, and the Nantucket Chamber.
"We have spent more than four years examining this project and listening to both sides of the debate and we remain opposed because it is ultimately only beneficial to the developer, not to the residents and visitors to Cape Cod."
Nantucket Chamber, 23 member BOD signed letter to USACE:
"Visitors come to Nantucket Sound to enjoy and appreciate our environment and historic integrity, not to be confronted with an industrial blight on the beautiful horizon of Nantucket Sound."
As your tourist and visitor, I fully agree with the Cape Cod Chamber, and the Nantucket Chamber.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Darkness:
An acoustic scientist at the USACE Cape Cod Commission Hearing paraphrased:
Most people know that sound travels very efficiently over water, why has there not been a noise refraction study conducted for this project as proposed offshore?
Report sent to me by the federal regulatory Marine Mammal Commission, excerpt:
“Before during construction of wind farms, extensive noise from seismic explorations, ramming, helicopters, or increased ship traffic is to be expected (cf. Richardson et al. 1995). The effects of such sound are potentially deleterious for marine mammals (Finneran et al. 2002). For instance, during the construction of the wind turbines on sandy bottom, pile drivers are likely to be used to ram the foundations. These are capable of producing sound impulses of more than 205 dB (re 1 uPa at I m) (Maxon 2000).”
“…certain sounds will be perceivable for harbour seals and harbour porposes at 10s or even 100s of kilometers from the construction site, such mammals might be excluded from critical habitat.”
An acoustic scientist at the USACE Cape Cod Commission Hearing paraphrased:
Most people know that sound travels very efficiently over water, why has there not been a noise refraction study conducted for this project as proposed offshore?
Report sent to me by the federal regulatory Marine Mammal Commission, excerpt:
“Before during construction of wind farms, extensive noise from seismic explorations, ramming, helicopters, or increased ship traffic is to be expected (cf. Richardson et al. 1995). The effects of such sound are potentially deleterious for marine mammals (Finneran et al. 2002). For instance, during the construction of the wind turbines on sandy bottom, pile drivers are likely to be used to ram the foundations. These are capable of producing sound impulses of more than 205 dB (re 1 uPa at I m) (Maxon 2000).”
“…certain sounds will be perceivable for harbour seals and harbour porposes at 10s or even 100s of kilometers from the construction site, such mammals might be excluded from critical habitat.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Darkest:
If you review my comment history, you'll notice that I provide my research and references.
Your comment history speaks for itself.
As 170 words is the absolute limit for wind plant opponents, your patience will be rewarded as my limited opportunities permit my response.
Boston Globe Feb. 17, 2007:
An idyll lost in turbines' humming
Neighbors regret Maine wind farm
“Residents say that town officials and company representatives repeatedly assured them that the wind farm would be silent. Instead, they say, the windmills have disrupted their mountainside idyll. On days with low cloud cover, when the pulsing, rushing noise is loudest, wind farm neighbors say it can disrupt their sleep and drown out the rushing brook that was once the only sound here.”
If you review my comment history, you'll notice that I provide my research and references.
Your comment history speaks for itself.
As 170 words is the absolute limit for wind plant opponents, your patience will be rewarded as my limited opportunities permit my response.
Boston Globe Feb. 17, 2007:
An idyll lost in turbines' humming
Neighbors regret Maine wind farm
“Residents say that town officials and company representatives repeatedly assured them that the wind farm would be silent. Instead, they say, the windmills have disrupted their mountainside idyll. On days with low cloud cover, when the pulsing, rushing noise is loudest, wind farm neighbors say it can disrupt their sleep and drown out the rushing brook that was once the only sound here.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
News-gal:
When you're admiring Walter are you looking in the mirror? You not only admire him, you parrot him.
What are the odds that Walter would send an email to me that states:
"Cape Wind is blessed by its enemies",
and your posting the comment within a few days stating:
"Cape Wind is BLESSED with its enemies"?
You're entitled to remain anonymous. Based on your comments history, I can understand why you would exercise that option.
I'm still waiting for you to deliver a fact based argument in favor of the Cape Wind project. Using one of your pet terms for Cape Wind opponents, inquiring "loonies" wonder if you have any related facts in your arsenal.
When you're admiring Walter are you looking in the mirror? You not only admire him, you parrot him.
What are the odds that Walter would send an email to me that states:
"Cape Wind is blessed by its enemies",
and your posting the comment within a few days stating:
"Cape Wind is BLESSED with its enemies"?
You're entitled to remain anonymous. Based on your comments history, I can understand why you would exercise that option.
I'm still waiting for you to deliver a fact based argument in favor of the Cape Wind project. Using one of your pet terms for Cape Wind opponents, inquiring "loonies" wonder if you have any related facts in your arsenal.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
Neil and Dona:
I had a comment deleted by the editors on Cape Cod Today as it was said to have been a "personal attack." On February 21, Walter Brooks sent an email to me responding to one I had sent to him. Walter offered to allow me to replace the deleted comment.
Walter also wrote:
"Cape Wind is blessed by its enemies."
Within days New-gal writes:
"Cape Wind is BLESSED with its enemies."
I think that News-gal might be a New-guy, too. :)
I had a comment deleted by the editors on Cape Cod Today as it was said to have been a "personal attack." On February 21, Walter Brooks sent an email to me responding to one I had sent to him. Walter offered to allow me to replace the deleted comment.
Walter also wrote:
"Cape Wind is blessed by its enemies."
Within days New-gal writes:
"Cape Wind is BLESSED with its enemies."
I think that News-gal might be a New-guy, too. :)
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
Capri:
I don't think that Capemom recognizes that Cape Wind is under NEPA review based on her last comment:
"It is not the government or society's job to preserve "ways of life" for people who refuse to adapt to changing times."
New-gal:
Do you ever produce facts to support your position? Perhaps, they are very hard to find, and so you feel the need to resort to name calling.
Industrial wind plant opponents, "harpies", as you refer to us, welcome your continuing personal attacks, sans facts.
The more crude your comments are, the better the chance we stand to protect you from your good, but misguided intentions.
I don't think that Capemom recognizes that Cape Wind is under NEPA review based on her last comment:
"It is not the government or society's job to preserve "ways of life" for people who refuse to adapt to changing times."
New-gal:
Do you ever produce facts to support your position? Perhaps, they are very hard to find, and so you feel the need to resort to name calling.
Industrial wind plant opponents, "harpies", as you refer to us, welcome your continuing personal attacks, sans facts.
The more crude your comments are, the better the chance we stand to protect you from your good, but misguided intentions.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
BRAVO! Charles Gardella, Lori Hoverstine, Howard Gostin, and Eastham residents! Provincetown Banner 2/15/07 ‘Wind turbine proposal hits heavy turbulence’
Event: Energy Committee meeting held for fact and information gathering regarding a wind turbine project proposed for N. Eastham, a packed house.
“It was immediately clear that the sentiment in the room was on of fierce opposition to the project. It was also obvious that those in attendance had done their homework to back up their concerns.”
“Others said they felt the information made available on the energy committee’s website was one-sided and misleading. Eastham resident Howard Gostin said he came across a good deal of information that was not included in that provided by the committee.”
Of Charles Gardella, who identified himself as “Don Quixote”:
“…it was clear from the responses at Friday’s meeting that he was by no means the only one who, like Cervantes’ hero, saw these windmills as giants that must be defeated.”
Event: Energy Committee meeting held for fact and information gathering regarding a wind turbine project proposed for N. Eastham, a packed house.
“It was immediately clear that the sentiment in the room was on of fierce opposition to the project. It was also obvious that those in attendance had done their homework to back up their concerns.”
“Others said they felt the information made available on the energy committee’s website was one-sided and misleading. Eastham resident Howard Gostin said he came across a good deal of information that was not included in that provided by the committee.”
Of Charles Gardella, who identified himself as “Don Quixote”:
“…it was clear from the responses at Friday’s meeting that he was by no means the only one who, like Cervantes’ hero, saw these windmills as giants that must be defeated.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
Another cautionary tale for Cape Wind industrial proponents to consider, Neil, is the so-called “solution” introduced to address our energy needs, hydroelectric power. For much of the twentieth century, it was touted as a “clean, reliable power source.” We now know that it is so environmentally damaging that no one outside of third world countries will build them anymore.
Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat past mistakes. But, must those who have not learned from our past mistakes take the rest of us down the ill fated path with them?
Buzz: The benefits of wind power extend to developers, GE, AWEA, and the vast food chain that excludes the public.
Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat past mistakes. But, must those who have not learned from our past mistakes take the rest of us down the ill fated path with them?
Buzz: The benefits of wind power extend to developers, GE, AWEA, and the vast food chain that excludes the public.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
Capemom:
You're contradicting yourself:
"Do you really think the fishermen care about my "way of life?" Or yours? Cape Wind is not going to impact their livelihood. There would still be fish.
The only reason they don't support the project is because they have everything to gain by preserving the status quo (i.e., their jobs.)"
Jobs=livelihood. The fishermen state that it would be too dangerous to get to the fish that CAPE WIND asserts would still be there.
Do you really think Cape Wind cares about your way of life?
Jim Gordon's courage stems from $1 billion dollars in ratepayer and taxpayer subsidies; and his fervent desire to also exploit the public's resource, Nantucket Sound.
Cape Wind is a precedent setting regressive proposal in environmental, public safety, public use rights, economic,(public perspective), scenic and historic integrity terms.
You're contradicting yourself:
"Do you really think the fishermen care about my "way of life?" Or yours? Cape Wind is not going to impact their livelihood. There would still be fish.
The only reason they don't support the project is because they have everything to gain by preserving the status quo (i.e., their jobs.)"
Jobs=livelihood. The fishermen state that it would be too dangerous to get to the fish that CAPE WIND asserts would still be there.
Do you really think Cape Wind cares about your way of life?
Jim Gordon's courage stems from $1 billion dollars in ratepayer and taxpayer subsidies; and his fervent desire to also exploit the public's resource, Nantucket Sound.
Cape Wind is a precedent setting regressive proposal in environmental, public safety, public use rights, economic,(public perspective), scenic and historic integrity terms.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
Apparently, Jack, teacher, Sharon Taxman, strikes fear in Deval's heart. Sorry, no links allowed here as are allowed on leftwingescapee.
“Payoffs to squelch legal matters are the modus operandi of Deval Patrick.”
Patrick defended the school representing the Department of Justice.
“As the rulings escalated from local venues up through the courts and headed for the Supreme Court Patrick realized he was in over his head. Clinton thought of removing him from office due to his slip ups and instead they manufactured an out of court agreement that would pay Taxman $300,000 for her trouble. The make-this-problem-go-away money was raised from a “racial preferences defense fund” – How ironic. Clinton and Patrick didn’t want this case heard by the Supreme Court as they felt this would be a major embarrassment to the Clinton Administration to have a successful ruling of reverse discrimination posted against them under Patrick’s failed leadership.”
“…please investigate the separation agreements with his last two major employers.
“Payoffs to squelch legal matters are the modus operandi of Deval Patrick.”
Patrick defended the school representing the Department of Justice.
“As the rulings escalated from local venues up through the courts and headed for the Supreme Court Patrick realized he was in over his head. Clinton thought of removing him from office due to his slip ups and instead they manufactured an out of court agreement that would pay Taxman $300,000 for her trouble. The make-this-problem-go-away money was raised from a “racial preferences defense fund” – How ironic. Clinton and Patrick didn’t want this case heard by the Supreme Court as they felt this would be a major embarrassment to the Clinton Administration to have a successful ruling of reverse discrimination posted against them under Patrick’s failed leadership.”
“…please investigate the separation agreements with his last two major employers.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Romney gives a new meaning to the word "hypocrisy"
In response to: Romney gives a new meaning to the word "hypocrisy"
Mitt Romney gets it:
“Nantucket Sound is an area of unique ecological, economic, recreational and aesthetic values. 'I will oppose the wind farm with every legal means available to me because there is no amount of study that will convince me that a wind farm must be tested on Nantucket Sound before we see it anywhere else on the East Coast...''
“We should not allow Massachusetts' 1.3 million acres of ocean resources to become the site of the next 'land rush,'" Romney wrote to Col. Thomas L. Koning, commander of the Corps' New England District. "Rather than the current Wild West mentality, I believe we need to examine better ways of looking at how we manage our ocean resources," he said.
Former Attorney General-Thomas Reilly does, too:
“The process is inherently a reactive one biased toward giving away an invaluable public resource to the first private developer to seek its use.”
“Nantucket Sound is an area of unique ecological, economic, recreational and aesthetic values. 'I will oppose the wind farm with every legal means available to me because there is no amount of study that will convince me that a wind farm must be tested on Nantucket Sound before we see it anywhere else on the East Coast...''
“We should not allow Massachusetts' 1.3 million acres of ocean resources to become the site of the next 'land rush,'" Romney wrote to Col. Thomas L. Koning, commander of the Corps' New England District. "Rather than the current Wild West mentality, I believe we need to examine better ways of looking at how we manage our ocean resources," he said.
Former Attorney General-Thomas Reilly does, too:
“The process is inherently a reactive one biased toward giving away an invaluable public resource to the first private developer to seek its use.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
News-Gal:
My Lord is a mogul? Do you have any other facts to offer?
Nantucket Sound is unsuitable for an industrial scale wind facility for numerous reasons. Public safety issues, I think, will kill this project.
California A.G. Bill Locklear regarding the legal implications of the deaths of thousands of birds in a flyway with endangered species present at the Altamont Pass, CA. wind resource area:
Bill Lockyer, A.G. of CA to the Almeda County Board of Supervisors in his letter of July 6, 2005:
“The ongoing harm to protected bird species at the APWRA is serious and unacceptable.” “Because the APWA is the largest of its kind in the world, what happens here could set an important precedent for how these issues are addressed elsewhere in California and the United States.”
My Lord is a mogul? Do you have any other facts to offer?
Nantucket Sound is unsuitable for an industrial scale wind facility for numerous reasons. Public safety issues, I think, will kill this project.
California A.G. Bill Locklear regarding the legal implications of the deaths of thousands of birds in a flyway with endangered species present at the Altamont Pass, CA. wind resource area:
Bill Lockyer, A.G. of CA to the Almeda County Board of Supervisors in his letter of July 6, 2005:
“The ongoing harm to protected bird species at the APWRA is serious and unacceptable.” “Because the APWA is the largest of its kind in the world, what happens here could set an important precedent for how these issues are addressed elsewhere in California and the United States.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
To be credited in any way for helping to prevent the siting of Cape Wind in Nantucket Sound, would exceed my goal to stop this project.
Global Warming: The Heat Is On
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY January 19, 2007
“Climate Change: In Congress, business and the media, those who urge "doing something" about global warming are moving ahead with an agenda that seeks to stifle free speech and scientific inquiry, and kill the economy.”
“No matter what you've heard, global warming remains a theory. Yet Kyoto proponents treat it as fact, thus beyond dispute. They want to close off debate, as if we lived in some kind of totalitarian dictatorship.
Sorry, but this is science. And in science, debate ends only when there's no longer convincing evidence to the contrary. And we're a long way from that when it comes to warming.”
Global Warming: The Heat Is On
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY January 19, 2007
“Climate Change: In Congress, business and the media, those who urge "doing something" about global warming are moving ahead with an agenda that seeks to stifle free speech and scientific inquiry, and kill the economy.”
“No matter what you've heard, global warming remains a theory. Yet Kyoto proponents treat it as fact, thus beyond dispute. They want to close off debate, as if we lived in some kind of totalitarian dictatorship.
Sorry, but this is science. And in science, debate ends only when there's no longer convincing evidence to the contrary. And we're a long way from that when it comes to warming.”
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Jim Gordon is looking at His benefits and not Our perceived benefits:
Jim wants: “$1 billion in taxpayer and ratepayer subsidies."
And: A No Bid Deal that would allow Jim to avoid any competition for this public resource.
What Jim is offering in return for our generous subsidy, (mine is coerced by bad policy), accelerated depreciation advantages/tax avoidance, etc., is:
A tourist/commercial and fishing/recreational use/public safety/historic and archaeological integrity/quiet public enjoyment/avian and marine life- decimating Cape Wind.
Of course, Jim Gordon is extolling his heart out regarding public benefits of Cape Wind. He has his sights on $1 billion dollars, the public money. He covets one of the finest marine and tourist resources offshore in the United States, that we could potentially be foolish enough to allow him to take from us.
Some of us prefer getting our money’s worth, not gibberish as spoken by a man ready to lay claim to a $billion dollars, ours, and our resource.
Jim wants: “$1 billion in taxpayer and ratepayer subsidies."
And: A No Bid Deal that would allow Jim to avoid any competition for this public resource.
What Jim is offering in return for our generous subsidy, (mine is coerced by bad policy), accelerated depreciation advantages/tax avoidance, etc., is:
A tourist/commercial and fishing/recreational use/public safety/historic and archaeological integrity/quiet public enjoyment/avian and marine life- decimating Cape Wind.
Of course, Jim Gordon is extolling his heart out regarding public benefits of Cape Wind. He has his sights on $1 billion dollars, the public money. He covets one of the finest marine and tourist resources offshore in the United States, that we could potentially be foolish enough to allow him to take from us.
Some of us prefer getting our money’s worth, not gibberish as spoken by a man ready to lay claim to a $billion dollars, ours, and our resource.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
Democrant:
Very candidly, you stand about as much of a chance leading me down the path of of saying anything critical about fishermen or fishing as Jack Coleman did when he suggested that I move to Missouri to defend birds from cats.
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I have answered your question, and I accept that you don't like my answer.
It's time to go 'Back to Romney's Bigger Problem' on the Homefront.
Very candidly, you stand about as much of a chance leading me down the path of of saying anything critical about fishermen or fishing as Jack Coleman did when he suggested that I move to Missouri to defend birds from cats.
Zero
I have answered your question, and I accept that you don't like my answer.
It's time to go 'Back to Romney's Bigger Problem' on the Homefront.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
Democrant:
If someone asked me if they should earn their living stuffing pimentos in olives, I would respectfully tell them to do their best to make the dressed olives look appetizing if they are to pursue this profession.
This analogy should suggest two things to you. First; I support an individual's right to chase their passion, dreams, and to choose their own career.
Second; I think that your question is not germane to the statements made by Capemom about fishermen that I find offensive, and that you defend.
If someone asked me if they should earn their living stuffing pimentos in olives, I would respectfully tell them to do their best to make the dressed olives look appetizing if they are to pursue this profession.
This analogy should suggest two things to you. First; I support an individual's right to chase their passion, dreams, and to choose their own career.
Second; I think that your question is not germane to the statements made by Capemom about fishermen that I find offensive, and that you defend.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
Democrant:
Then, I think that you're attempting to defend what I view as indefensible remarks about fishermen made by Capemom.
I appreciate your entitlement to your opinion and your thoughts.
Then, I think that you're attempting to defend what I view as indefensible remarks about fishermen made by Capemom.
I appreciate your entitlement to your opinion and your thoughts.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
Democrant:
I think that Capemom’s comments about fishermen are indefensible. She is entitled to make them, and I am equally entitled to find them offensive.
I do admire a man who sees his role as the defender of women, the underdog, and/or wildlife.
Do you think that lawyers should be retrained and change their profession? ;) I'm being rhetorical, we don't have to go there.
I think that Capemom’s comments about fishermen are indefensible. She is entitled to make them, and I am equally entitled to find them offensive.
I do admire a man who sees his role as the defender of women, the underdog, and/or wildlife.
Do you think that lawyers should be retrained and change their profession? ;) I'm being rhetorical, we don't have to go there.
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
correction to my last comment, a date, The Investor Business Daily article 'The Real Agenda' is dated 2/22/07, yesterday. I typed o6 instead of 07. thank you
barbaradurkin [Member]
In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
Take heart, Neil, the global redistribution of power and wealth, AKA, Global Warming, is under serious scrutiny.
Investor Business Daily, 2/21/07 A13:
'An Inconvenient Chilling Effect'
"In general, if you do not agree with the consensus that we are headed toward disaster, you are treated like a pariah," says William O'Keefe, CEO of the Marshall Institute, which assesses scientific issues that shape public policy. On the other hand, if you can play an electric guitar powered by solar panels, Al Gore might give you an all-access pass to his concert."
IBD, 2/22/06 A13:
'The Real Agenda'
“Their real agenda is not to save the planet, but to install an economic system more to their liking. They call themselves environmentalists, but they act more like totalitarians all the time.”
Investor Business Daily, 2/21/07 A13:
'An Inconvenient Chilling Effect'
"In general, if you do not agree with the consensus that we are headed toward disaster, you are treated like a pariah," says William O'Keefe, CEO of the Marshall Institute, which assesses scientific issues that shape public policy. On the other hand, if you can play an electric guitar powered by solar panels, Al Gore might give you an all-access pass to his concert."
IBD, 2/22/06 A13:
'The Real Agenda'
“Their real agenda is not to save the planet, but to install an economic system more to their liking. They call themselves environmentalists, but they act more like totalitarians all the time.”
In response to: Wind energy is a must for America and for Cape Cod
Wind turbines cause air traffic, navigational, and Doppler radar interference according to the FAA, U.S Coast Guard and the National Weather Service.
Wind energy transfers citizens' monetary and resource wealth to multinationals in exchange for promises historically unkept.
The path to fuel poverty and BLACKOUTS is paved by wind turbines that harm wildlife and their habitats.