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neil good [Member]
In response to: US Interior Secretary Sees Cape Wind Decision By Year-End
In response to: US Interior Secretary Sees Cape Wind Decision By Year-End
Dk,
You say above-
“…they've been operating these turbines very successfully offshore for many years now in Europe.”
For a rude awakening, search on google for the following-
“Germany's Renewable Myth - FP Comment”
One interesting quote-
“…even on-shore wind, widely regarded as a mature technology, requires feed-in tariffs that exceed the per-kWh cost of conventional electricity by up to 300% to remain competitive.”
You say above-
“…they've been operating these turbines very successfully offshore for many years now in Europe.”
For a rude awakening, search on google for the following-
“Germany's Renewable Myth - FP Comment”
One interesting quote-
“…even on-shore wind, widely regarded as a mature technology, requires feed-in tariffs that exceed the per-kWh cost of conventional electricity by up to 300% to remain competitive.”
neil good [Member]
In response to: DEP approves Cape Wind's waterways application
In response to: DEP approves Cape Wind's waterways application
This is good news too-
"Judge refuses to dismiss suit against Cape Wind"
12/21/2008
"Judge refuses to dismiss suit against Cape Wind"
12/21/2008
neil good [Member]
In response to: Birds of a feather
In response to: Birds of a feather
"There are no turbines on my ranch, because I think they are ugly."
Boone Pickens,
Newsweek, July 12, 2008
Boone Pickens,
Newsweek, July 12, 2008
neil good [Member]
In response to: Coast Guard gives in to Oberstar, delays report for a month; New stealth moves to block Cape Wind
In response to: Coast Guard gives in to Oberstar, delays report for a month; New stealth moves to block Cape Wind
Chuck,
See below for more on Europe and 'radar signals.'
I trust the UK's Ministry of Defense over what you say you saw on-board the "fishing boat."
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"Shell Flat offshore wind farm scrapped over aviation concerns."
November 14, 2008 in New Energy Focus
"It has emerged that developer Cirrus Energy has withdrawn its application for the Shell Flat offshore wind farm, also known as the Cirrus Array, after it failed to reach an agreement over objections from aviation company BAE Systems and the Ministry of Defence.
Both organisations had objected to the Shell Flat wind farm, to be located five kilometres west of Fleetwood, Lancashire, on the grounds that it would interfere with their radar systems, as well as cause a physical obstruction for low flying aircraft.
"Despite the best effort by the Cirrus Array Consortium, the government, and other stakeholders, closer examination of the proposals by BAE Systems and MoD led to the conclusion that there was an over-riding aviation-related obstruction issue that could not be overcome."
See below for more on Europe and 'radar signals.'
I trust the UK's Ministry of Defense over what you say you saw on-board the "fishing boat."
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"Shell Flat offshore wind farm scrapped over aviation concerns."
November 14, 2008 in New Energy Focus
"It has emerged that developer Cirrus Energy has withdrawn its application for the Shell Flat offshore wind farm, also known as the Cirrus Array, after it failed to reach an agreement over objections from aviation company BAE Systems and the Ministry of Defence.
Both organisations had objected to the Shell Flat wind farm, to be located five kilometres west of Fleetwood, Lancashire, on the grounds that it would interfere with their radar systems, as well as cause a physical obstruction for low flying aircraft.
"Despite the best effort by the Cirrus Array Consortium, the government, and other stakeholders, closer examination of the proposals by BAE Systems and MoD led to the conclusion that there was an over-riding aviation-related obstruction issue that could not be overcome."
neil good [Member]
In response to: Pols to Future: Drop Dead
In response to: Pols to Future: Drop Dead
Mr. Keller,
Where did you come up with this notion that Cape Wind would be a reliable, low-cost energy source?
http://www.windaction.org/news/19135
"[U.K.] Offshore wind farms currently come in at about £3bn per gigawatt, compared with about £2bn a year ago and just £600m for a gas-fired power station. Even nuclear power - at about £1.8bn per GW, looks a lot cheaper by comparison."
Where did you come up with this notion that Cape Wind would be a reliable, low-cost energy source?
http://www.windaction.org/news/19135
"[U.K.] Offshore wind farms currently come in at about £3bn per gigawatt, compared with about £2bn a year ago and just £600m for a gas-fired power station. Even nuclear power - at about £1.8bn per GW, looks a lot cheaper by comparison."
neil good [Member]
In response to: Remembering the Rose Dorothea: Remembering the Albatross IV; Remembering the sands of Cape Cod
In response to: Remembering the Rose Dorothea: Remembering the Albatross IV; Remembering the sands of Cape Cod
Google-
"Bad Reporting About the Northwest Passage Issue."
"...There is nothing that spreads faster than a global warming scare story even when it is false... Once “global warming” is mentioned all critical faculties are shut down in the media. They don’t verify facts. They just repeat the claims that are made..."
"The only reason I can think of that explains why journalists, who repeated the false claims of this story, didn’t bother to do any research is because these claims have been linked to global warming. They don’t want to be called “deniers” by the warming alarmists. Global warming to the Left is what “terrorism” is to the Right. It is an issue that is meant to be so scary that one is supposed to close down their mind, repeat the slogans, and obey."
CLS
"Bad Reporting About the Northwest Passage Issue."
"...There is nothing that spreads faster than a global warming scare story even when it is false... Once “global warming” is mentioned all critical faculties are shut down in the media. They don’t verify facts. They just repeat the claims that are made..."
"The only reason I can think of that explains why journalists, who repeated the false claims of this story, didn’t bother to do any research is because these claims have been linked to global warming. They don’t want to be called “deniers” by the warming alarmists. Global warming to the Left is what “terrorism” is to the Right. It is an issue that is meant to be so scary that one is supposed to close down their mind, repeat the slogans, and obey."
CLS
neil good [Member]
In response to: Budget cuts at DA's office; Turbines galore available; Economy claims Cape Cod Sports Report; Thanksgiving is No Turkey; Giving, not forgetting
In response to: Budget cuts at DA's office; Turbines galore available; Economy claims Cape Cod Sports Report; Thanksgiving is No Turkey; Giving, not forgetting
smahkcep,
I know it’s hard for you to come to grips with this ‘fact’, but OIL, COAL, NUCLEAR, and NATURAL GAS are RELIABLE FORMS OF ENERGY THAT YOU CAN DEPEND ON. You’ve benefited from them in ways you can’t even imagine- each and every day of your life- but now you take them for granted. I’d like to see how long you could get by without the ‘evil’ fossil fuels. You wouldn’t last for long.
Wind power on the other hand is, and will always be, UNDEPENDABLE.
Remember? You should…. you tell us you’re into sailing.
You are a bit naive.
I know it’s hard for you to come to grips with this ‘fact’, but OIL, COAL, NUCLEAR, and NATURAL GAS are RELIABLE FORMS OF ENERGY THAT YOU CAN DEPEND ON. You’ve benefited from them in ways you can’t even imagine- each and every day of your life- but now you take them for granted. I’d like to see how long you could get by without the ‘evil’ fossil fuels. You wouldn’t last for long.
Wind power on the other hand is, and will always be, UNDEPENDABLE.
Remember? You should…. you tell us you’re into sailing.
You are a bit naive.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Budget cuts at DA's office; Turbines galore available; Economy claims Cape Cod Sports Report; Thanksgiving is No Turkey; Giving, not forgetting
In response to: Budget cuts at DA's office; Turbines galore available; Economy claims Cape Cod Sports Report; Thanksgiving is No Turkey; Giving, not forgetting
Peck and AFTB- be sure to check out the September [on-line] issue of ‘Electric Light & Power Magazine.’ There’s a big article in there about Calpine’s new CEO Jack Fusco.
Sorry guys, but Mr. Fusco doesn’t appear to fall into the ‘Wind Fan” category.
He says- “….wind and solar, can only produce power when the wind blows or the sun shines, making them less reliable.”
Seems he is a very smart guy!
Sorry guys, but Mr. Fusco doesn’t appear to fall into the ‘Wind Fan” category.
He says- “….wind and solar, can only produce power when the wind blows or the sun shines, making them less reliable.”
Seems he is a very smart guy!
neil good [Member]
In response to: Budget cuts at DA's office; Turbines galore available; Economy claims Cape Cod Sports Report; Thanksgiving is No Turkey; Giving, not forgetting
In response to: Budget cuts at DA's office; Turbines galore available; Economy claims Cape Cod Sports Report; Thanksgiving is No Turkey; Giving, not forgetting
AFTB,
What's going on with your employer Calpine? Just over a year ago you told me-
"I don't care what the web site says, Calpine is planning to enter the wind market. Get your facts straight next time."
So... I re-checked the company web page about an hour ago, expecting to read a news release touting Calpine's entry into the wind biz. I did a word search for "wind" but the same 'facts' found last year on the Calpine web-page turned up... again.
Quote-
"…unlike traditional renewable resources such as wind and solar, Calpine's renewable geothermal power plants are capable of generating electricity twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.... wind and solar, because they occur intermittently, do not provide a constant, reliable energy source"
So when is Calpine entering the wind market?
What's going on with your employer Calpine? Just over a year ago you told me-
"I don't care what the web site says, Calpine is planning to enter the wind market. Get your facts straight next time."
So... I re-checked the company web page about an hour ago, expecting to read a news release touting Calpine's entry into the wind biz. I did a word search for "wind" but the same 'facts' found last year on the Calpine web-page turned up... again.
Quote-
"…unlike traditional renewable resources such as wind and solar, Calpine's renewable geothermal power plants are capable of generating electricity twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.... wind and solar, because they occur intermittently, do not provide a constant, reliable energy source"
So when is Calpine entering the wind market?
neil good [Member]
In response to: Big-money donors help bankroll Alliance's wind farm fight
In response to: Big-money donors help bankroll Alliance's wind farm fight
Be careful Crusader, the truth about Cape Wind is not always appreciated.
The sub-title here should read-
“Big-money also Bankrolls the Plan to Privatize and Industrialize the Center of Nantucket Sound, with only Imaginary Public Benefits.”
The sub-title here should read-
“Big-money also Bankrolls the Plan to Privatize and Industrialize the Center of Nantucket Sound, with only Imaginary Public Benefits.”
neil good [Member]
In response to: Budget cuts at DA's office; Turbines galore available; Economy claims Cape Cod Sports Report; Thanksgiving is No Turkey; Giving, not forgetting
In response to: Budget cuts at DA's office; Turbines galore available; Economy claims Cape Cod Sports Report; Thanksgiving is No Turkey; Giving, not forgetting
AFTB,
While on this subject of “….comments from CEO’s….”, did you catch the Sept. 21 Boston Globe interview with Vestas CEO Ditlev Engel? [It was in the business section.]
When asked about the best places to put up wind turbines in the USA he suggested the state of Texas.
Then, when asked- “What about Massachusetts?’ he brought up Cape Wind and said-
”I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it's twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, Why?"
AFTB, Do you think this guy knows anything about wind turbines??
Should we pay any attention to what HE says about where to place them??
While on this subject of “….comments from CEO’s….”, did you catch the Sept. 21 Boston Globe interview with Vestas CEO Ditlev Engel? [It was in the business section.]
When asked about the best places to put up wind turbines in the USA he suggested the state of Texas.
Then, when asked- “What about Massachusetts?’ he brought up Cape Wind and said-
”I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it's twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, Why?"
AFTB, Do you think this guy knows anything about wind turbines??
Should we pay any attention to what HE says about where to place them??
neil good [Member]
In response to: On the Relationship Between Bloggers and Trolls
In response to: On the Relationship Between Bloggers and Trolls
Just for laughs, google-
“Searsburg VT catastrophic turbine failure-1”
and
“Wind turbine explodes”
“Searsburg VT catastrophic turbine failure-1”
and
“Wind turbine explodes”
neil good [Member]
In response to: Hyannis Country Garden is on the wind
In response to: Hyannis Country Garden is on the wind
Don't get too excited. This turbine will most likely be a disappointment- like so many of the others.
Info below is direct from the Massachusetts Technology Collaborative's "Small Wind Progress Briefing Summary Revised: June 12, 2008"
"…Through its Small Renewables Initiative, MTC provides rebates provided directly to small wind customers who are responsible for hiring their own turnkey installation firm.”
“…Once the system is installed and operational, the small wind customers enter their system’s energy production data into an MTC database on a monthly basis. MTC has monitored the energy production reported for the first several systems, and after it became clear that that none of these systems was achieving the expected production levels, we commissioned the Cadmus Group, Inc. to perform a complete and systematic analysis of the production data and the earlier production estimates…”
"...The average production for the 19 existing small wind turbines highlighted in the progress briefing is less than one-third of the average production projected..."
Info below is direct from the Massachusetts Technology Collaborative's "Small Wind Progress Briefing Summary Revised: June 12, 2008"
"…Through its Small Renewables Initiative, MTC provides rebates provided directly to small wind customers who are responsible for hiring their own turnkey installation firm.”
“…Once the system is installed and operational, the small wind customers enter their system’s energy production data into an MTC database on a monthly basis. MTC has monitored the energy production reported for the first several systems, and after it became clear that that none of these systems was achieving the expected production levels, we commissioned the Cadmus Group, Inc. to perform a complete and systematic analysis of the production data and the earlier production estimates…”
"...The average production for the 19 existing small wind turbines highlighted in the progress briefing is less than one-third of the average production projected..."
neil good [Member]
In response to: Can Cape Wind save your ocean view?
In response to: Can Cape Wind save your ocean view?
Can the "believers" produce any solid evidence to prove sea level has been rising abruptly anywhere around the globe? No they can't. Barrier beach erosion is 100% natural, just like "climate change".
Search online for Lorne Gunter's October 20th article titled- "Thirty Years of Warmer Temperatures go Poof"
"...the chart below... clearly shows that in the past four years -- the period corresponding to reduced solar activity -- all of the rise in global temperatures since 1979 has disappeared. It may be that more global warming doubters are surfacing because there just isn't any global warming."
Search online for Lorne Gunter's October 20th article titled- "Thirty Years of Warmer Temperatures go Poof"
"...the chart below... clearly shows that in the past four years -- the period corresponding to reduced solar activity -- all of the rise in global temperatures since 1979 has disappeared. It may be that more global warming doubters are surfacing because there just isn't any global warming."
neil good [Member]
In response to: Can Cape Wind save your ocean view?
In response to: Can Cape Wind save your ocean view?
[From Jim Peden-]
"Quoting RealClimate.org as a reliable source of information on climate science is like quoting Disneyland.com for reliable information on mouse behavior."
"Real Climate" is a staged and contracted production, which wasn't created by "scientists", it was actually created by a company which specializes in spreading environmental junk science on behalf of numerous clients who stand to financially benefit from scare tactics through environmental fear mongering...
"There you will find the word "model" used a million times, for the entire basis of the Global Warming Hoax is based on computer modeling (not climate science ) which has thus far failed to predict anything accurately since day one."
"Perhaps the best summary of "Real Climate" was given by MIT's Dr. Richard Lindzen, who said,-
"This website appears to constitute a support center for global warming believers, wherein any criticism of global warming is given an answer that, however implausible, is then repeated by the reassured believers."
"Quoting RealClimate.org as a reliable source of information on climate science is like quoting Disneyland.com for reliable information on mouse behavior."
"Real Climate" is a staged and contracted production, which wasn't created by "scientists", it was actually created by a company which specializes in spreading environmental junk science on behalf of numerous clients who stand to financially benefit from scare tactics through environmental fear mongering...
"There you will find the word "model" used a million times, for the entire basis of the Global Warming Hoax is based on computer modeling (not climate science ) which has thus far failed to predict anything accurately since day one."
"Perhaps the best summary of "Real Climate" was given by MIT's Dr. Richard Lindzen, who said,-
"This website appears to constitute a support center for global warming believers, wherein any criticism of global warming is given an answer that, however implausible, is then repeated by the reassured believers."
neil good [Member]
In response to: Can Cape Wind save your ocean view?
In response to: Can Cape Wind save your ocean view?
Richard,
ASAP, google "Global Sea Level: 1950-2000"
...where you will find....
"In spite of the fact that the most significant segment of the historical increase in the air's CO2 concentration took place over the last half of the 20th century, and the climate-alarmist claim that the global warming of the latter half of this period was unprecedented over the past two millennia, there was no discernable increase in the rate of sea level rise over either of these periods or even the entire 20th century. These observations pretty much prove that either the climate alarmists' claim of unprecedented global warming is bogus or that their claim about such a warming greatly accelerating sea level rise is false or that both of these claims are wrong."
ASAP, google "Global Sea Level: 1950-2000"
...where you will find....
"In spite of the fact that the most significant segment of the historical increase in the air's CO2 concentration took place over the last half of the 20th century, and the climate-alarmist claim that the global warming of the latter half of this period was unprecedented over the past two millennia, there was no discernable increase in the rate of sea level rise over either of these periods or even the entire 20th century. These observations pretty much prove that either the climate alarmists' claim of unprecedented global warming is bogus or that their claim about such a warming greatly accelerating sea level rise is false or that both of these claims are wrong."
neil good [Member]
In response to: Christy's launches its own gas discount
In response to: Christy's launches its own gas discount
Smahkcep/Peckham
Why should ANY rational person support the Cape Wind debacle, when-
1] The CEO of Vestas in Denmark doesn’t believe there is any sense in offshore wind power? Look for today’s Boston Globe business section interview where he says this ABOUT CAPE WIND!
“I am really wondering why anybody wants to put [turbines] up offshore because it's twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, "Why?"
[PS: Don’t fall for that hype about Denmark getting twenty percent of their power from wind. The true figure is down in the single digits.]
2] T.Boone Pickens will not allow turbines on his Texas ranch because he believes, “….they are ugly.”
Why should ANY rational person support the Cape Wind debacle, when-
1] The CEO of Vestas in Denmark doesn’t believe there is any sense in offshore wind power? Look for today’s Boston Globe business section interview where he says this ABOUT CAPE WIND!
“I am really wondering why anybody wants to put [turbines] up offshore because it's twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, "Why?"
[PS: Don’t fall for that hype about Denmark getting twenty percent of their power from wind. The true figure is down in the single digits.]
2] T.Boone Pickens will not allow turbines on his Texas ranch because he believes, “….they are ugly.”
neil good [Member]
In response to: Your choice; $130 a barrel or 130 Wind Turbines
In response to: Your choice; $130 a barrel or 130 Wind Turbines
Here is more reason to be suspicious of all those glowing reports about wind power-
"Turbine rebate could be carried away"
http://www.windaction.org/news/15973
"...A report of 19 Massachusetts Technology Collaborative funded small wind turbines by environmental consultant The Cadmus Group said "installers almost universally overestimate annual energy production. Often this overestimation is quite significant."
"Even a small error in calculating wind speed "can result in a very significant impact on energy production," the report said. In this area and on Cape Cod, the overestimation can be 10 to 20 percent, and "on currently installed systems, rebate dollars paid by MTC have not generated the expected benefits," according to the report."
"Turbine rebate could be carried away"
http://www.windaction.org/news/15973
"...A report of 19 Massachusetts Technology Collaborative funded small wind turbines by environmental consultant The Cadmus Group said "installers almost universally overestimate annual energy production. Often this overestimation is quite significant."
"Even a small error in calculating wind speed "can result in a very significant impact on energy production," the report said. In this area and on Cape Cod, the overestimation can be 10 to 20 percent, and "on currently installed systems, rebate dollars paid by MTC have not generated the expected benefits," according to the report."
neil good [Member]
In response to: Ted Kennedy hypocrisy exposed on FOX News Sunday night
In response to: Ted Kennedy hypocrisy exposed on FOX News Sunday night
Best part- hearing Sean Hannity say Nantucket Sound was a national treasure.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Kennedy dumped diesel fuel into Nantucket Sound
In response to: Kennedy dumped diesel fuel into Nantucket Sound
On nationwide TV Sean Hannity says about Nantucket Sound;
"I've been there... it is beautiful... it is a national treasure."
"I've been there... it is beautiful... it is a national treasure."
neil good [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod TODAY featured on FOX News Sunday at 9 p.m.
In response to: Cape Cod TODAY featured on FOX News Sunday at 9 p.m.
My favorite YouTube -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u14tBwO5QVQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u14tBwO5QVQ
neil good [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod TODAY featured on FOX News Sunday at 9 p.m.
In response to: Cape Cod TODAY featured on FOX News Sunday at 9 p.m.
With all due respect, please explain-
At the end of the “Kennedy dumping diesel fuel into Nantucket Sound to boot” blog post linked above, it says “39 comments” were posted, but only 9 comments are shown.
What happened to the other 30 comments?
Then there’s that unusual notice following comment 9, which I’ve never seen before on CCToday-
“An unexpected error has occured!”
“If this error persits, please report it to the administrator.”
[So, just to be clear, it’s not on my PC]
At the end of the “Kennedy dumping diesel fuel into Nantucket Sound to boot” blog post linked above, it says “39 comments” were posted, but only 9 comments are shown.
What happened to the other 30 comments?
Then there’s that unusual notice following comment 9, which I’ve never seen before on CCToday-
“An unexpected error has occured!”
“If this error persits, please report it to the administrator.”
[So, just to be clear, it’s not on my PC]
neil good [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod TODAY featured on FOX News Sunday at 9 p.m.
In response to: Cape Cod TODAY featured on FOX News Sunday at 9 p.m.
I see CCToday has posted a notice about an “unexpected error” at the end of the
thread titled “Kennedy dumping oil into Nantucket Sound to boot”
It all seems rather fishy to me.
Thirty comments have also mysteriously disappeared.
Could the real reason for the ‘error’ be that the fuzzy photo ‘evidence’ just can’t stand up to scrutiny?
The alleged ‘Diesel from bilge’ in photo #2 still looks more like a simple shadow than anything else. What do you think Mav?
thread titled “Kennedy dumping oil into Nantucket Sound to boot”
It all seems rather fishy to me.
Thirty comments have also mysteriously disappeared.
Could the real reason for the ‘error’ be that the fuzzy photo ‘evidence’ just can’t stand up to scrutiny?
The alleged ‘Diesel from bilge’ in photo #2 still looks more like a simple shadow than anything else. What do you think Mav?
neil good [Member]
In response to: Times Pulling Punches
In response to: Times Pulling Punches
Maybe we will also learn who is funding Clean Power Now. Even Wendy Williams is unhappy with them.
See her latest Blog entry-
http://capewindbook.typepad.com/blog/
"...Clean Power Now seems to have lost its mission. The plight of coal miners has little direct bearing on the Cape Wind project. However, the once-genuinely-grassroots organization has found a major funder with a strong anti-coal agenda. Thus were the miners flown in from West Virginia."
See her latest Blog entry-
http://capewindbook.typepad.com/blog/
"...Clean Power Now seems to have lost its mission. The plight of coal miners has little direct bearing on the Cape Wind project. However, the once-genuinely-grassroots organization has found a major funder with a strong anti-coal agenda. Thus were the miners flown in from West Virginia."
neil good [Member]
In response to: The Alliance gave a party and nobody...
In response to: The Alliance gave a party and nobody...
The above take on the ‘tack’ is not entirely correct. The theory placing 11th century ‘Nordics’ in or around Nantucket Sound has been endorsed by a large number of respected ‘academics’ over the past 170 years. In 1964 Norwegian Johannes Tornoe proposed Waquoit Bay could be ‘Leifsbudir,’ the settlement site described in the Greenlander’s Saga. The other Vinland Saga- Erik’s Saga- says the main settlement had been built on the shore of a ‘Hóp’- a landlocked tidal bay. Some researchers believe the two sites were one and the same.
The key passage in the G. Saga reads, “They set sail west into the ‘Sund’… there were extensive shallows there, and their ship ran aground and was left high and dry with the sea almost out of sight… so they went to shore in the ship’s boat to a place where a river flowed out from a lake…”
So what is new? All the early researchers, Tornoe included, failed to notice early charts show Horseshoe Shoal as dry at low tide.
Cape Wind claims there is no other offshore region quite like Horseshoe Shoal. No argument there.
The key passage in the G. Saga reads, “They set sail west into the ‘Sund’… there were extensive shallows there, and their ship ran aground and was left high and dry with the sea almost out of sight… so they went to shore in the ship’s boat to a place where a river flowed out from a lake…”
So what is new? All the early researchers, Tornoe included, failed to notice early charts show Horseshoe Shoal as dry at low tide.
Cape Wind claims there is no other offshore region quite like Horseshoe Shoal. No argument there.
neil good [Member]
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
Carl, that country only exists in your imagination.
Didn’t you or your alter-ego Zolgon say you originally came from Minnesota? Either way, here are clips from an interesting news story from MN.
“As The Blades Turn -- An Energy Soap Opera”
Star Tribune, Minneapolis, Sept. 24, 2007
“A Minnesota indictment shows that a whiff of old-fashioned energy-industry scandal is blowing in the wind.”
“Last week, Minnesota's seemingly virginal wind-energy industry proved that the renewable energy business it is not above a whiff of scandal… Greg Jaunich, the Minnesota wind-power entrepreneur was indicted last week for allegedly overstating power produced by a couple of his Minnesota wind turbines…”
"Jaunich, 45, is charged with over-billing the Minnesota Commerce Department and Xcel Energy more than $500,000 in 2003 and 2004 for electricity provided by two Gamesa wind turbines… According to federal and state authorities, the turbines produced only a fraction of that juice.” [cut]
Didn’t you or your alter-ego Zolgon say you originally came from Minnesota? Either way, here are clips from an interesting news story from MN.
“As The Blades Turn -- An Energy Soap Opera”
Star Tribune, Minneapolis, Sept. 24, 2007
“A Minnesota indictment shows that a whiff of old-fashioned energy-industry scandal is blowing in the wind.”
“Last week, Minnesota's seemingly virginal wind-energy industry proved that the renewable energy business it is not above a whiff of scandal… Greg Jaunich, the Minnesota wind-power entrepreneur was indicted last week for allegedly overstating power produced by a couple of his Minnesota wind turbines…”
"Jaunich, 45, is charged with over-billing the Minnesota Commerce Department and Xcel Energy more than $500,000 in 2003 and 2004 for electricity provided by two Gamesa wind turbines… According to federal and state authorities, the turbines produced only a fraction of that juice.” [cut]
neil good [Member]
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
Thank you Chuck for helping to confirm the cost of offshore wind power is always staggering. It’s interesting to see the German government mentions “...tourist interests…” when it justifies paying a heavy price to keep those two wind projects 35 and 80 miles away from the nearest shoreline.
A UPI story from last December reports- "...the many German islands off the coast are tourist hot spots, and officials there don’t want their customers to discover giant wind towers when they’re gazing at the horizon.”
I’m sure you will agree-
1) The Germans know a thing or two about wind turbines.
2) Cape Cod is another tourist hot spot.
I bet the Minerals Management Service will agree too.
A UPI story from last December reports- "...the many German islands off the coast are tourist hot spots, and officials there don’t want their customers to discover giant wind towers when they’re gazing at the horizon.”
I’m sure you will agree-
1) The Germans know a thing or two about wind turbines.
2) Cape Cod is another tourist hot spot.
I bet the Minerals Management Service will agree too.
neil good [Member]
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
Chuck, you appear to know only half the story about German deepwater projects. What about Borkum-2?
http://www.abb.com/cawp/gad02181/306c726f332f36d3c1257353003b91f0.aspx
According to one of the official planners, the Germans are placing these projects 35 to 80 miles offshore, despite the cost, “…for environmental reasons (bird and habitat protection), shipping and TOURIST interests…”
[emphasis added]
Sound familiar? Aren’t those some of the same reasons Cape Wind has met with fierce resistance?
Haven’t YOU been saying all along that we should follow the example set by Europeans? NO country has more wind turbines than Germany. Don’t you think we should pay close attention to how the Germans plan their offshore wind projects?
http://www.abb.com/cawp/gad02181/306c726f332f36d3c1257353003b91f0.aspx
According to one of the official planners, the Germans are placing these projects 35 to 80 miles offshore, despite the cost, “…for environmental reasons (bird and habitat protection), shipping and TOURIST interests…”
[emphasis added]
Sound familiar? Aren’t those some of the same reasons Cape Wind has met with fierce resistance?
Haven’t YOU been saying all along that we should follow the example set by Europeans? NO country has more wind turbines than Germany. Don’t you think we should pay close attention to how the Germans plan their offshore wind projects?
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In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
Carl,
I'll ask you, since Jack C. seems unable to confront this ‘new reality.’
If off-shore wind power-plants are such great things, why are the Germans building theirs 35 miles and 80 miles away from the coastline- and at huge cost?
I'll ask you, since Jack C. seems unable to confront this ‘new reality.’
If off-shore wind power-plants are such great things, why are the Germans building theirs 35 miles and 80 miles away from the coastline- and at huge cost?
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In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
In response to: "Not in God's Backyard"
And just a quick reminder Jack-
In Germany- [Europe’s leader in wind ‘energy’ BTW,] they have decided to build their first offshore wind farm 35 miles from the coastline. The second one, Borkum-2 will be 80 miles from the nearest shore. Why so far offshore? I’ve been told German tourists don’t want to see giant wind turbines on the horizon, even if they only seem to be one ‘thumb-nail’ high.
See below for other concerns mentioned at the 5th World Wind Energy Conference, Nov. 7th, 2006, New Delhi-
“Activities concerning the use of offshore wind energy in Germany”
“…In the German EEZ, located in the North Sea and the Baltic Sea, the offshore wind farms currently planned are far away from the coast. Due to environmental reasons (bird and habitat protection), shipping and tourist interests, planning companies have – encouraged by politics – planned their wind farms at distances of 30 – 100 km from the shore…”
In Germany- [Europe’s leader in wind ‘energy’ BTW,] they have decided to build their first offshore wind farm 35 miles from the coastline. The second one, Borkum-2 will be 80 miles from the nearest shore. Why so far offshore? I’ve been told German tourists don’t want to see giant wind turbines on the horizon, even if they only seem to be one ‘thumb-nail’ high.
See below for other concerns mentioned at the 5th World Wind Energy Conference, Nov. 7th, 2006, New Delhi-
“Activities concerning the use of offshore wind energy in Germany”
“…In the German EEZ, located in the North Sea and the Baltic Sea, the offshore wind farms currently planned are far away from the coast. Due to environmental reasons (bird and habitat protection), shipping and tourist interests, planning companies have – encouraged by politics – planned their wind farms at distances of 30 – 100 km from the shore…”
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In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
Great point Susan.
Jack, I’m surprised you have nothing to say about the Borkum-2 project, 130 kilometers [or about 80 miles] off the coast of Germany.
As you would say, the silence is deafening.
From your comment above-
“I've yet to hear an opponent of the wind farm answer this question, but what the hay, maybe I'll get lucky this time - Neil, if farther offshore is the way to go ... right? ... why isn't anyone actually doing it?"
Jack, I’m surprised you have nothing to say about the Borkum-2 project, 130 kilometers [or about 80 miles] off the coast of Germany.
As you would say, the silence is deafening.
From your comment above-
“I've yet to hear an opponent of the wind farm answer this question, but what the hay, maybe I'll get lucky this time - Neil, if farther offshore is the way to go ... right? ... why isn't anyone actually doing it?"
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In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
Global warming might be taken more seriously when a winner can claim this prize-
“Ultimate Global Warming Challenge Ups Prize Money to $125,000 for Proving Humans Cause Catastrophic Climate Change”
www.UltimateGlobalWarmingChallenge.com
The Ultimate Global Warming Challenge announced today that it raised to $125,000 the cash award to the first person to prove in a scientific manner that human emissions of greenhouse gases will cause catastrophic global climate change.
"Surprisingly no one has entered the contest yet," said Steven Milloy, founder and publisher of www.JunkScience.com
"It appears that $100,000 is not enough to spur Al Gore and other climate alarmists to submit their proofs that humans are causing global warming," explained Milloy. "If it's a matter of money, Al Gore and the alarmists should just come out and tell us what sum it will cost the rest of us to see what proof they have."
“Ultimate Global Warming Challenge Ups Prize Money to $125,000 for Proving Humans Cause Catastrophic Climate Change”
www.UltimateGlobalWarmingChallenge.com
The Ultimate Global Warming Challenge announced today that it raised to $125,000 the cash award to the first person to prove in a scientific manner that human emissions of greenhouse gases will cause catastrophic global climate change.
"Surprisingly no one has entered the contest yet," said Steven Milloy, founder and publisher of www.JunkScience.com
"It appears that $100,000 is not enough to spur Al Gore and other climate alarmists to submit their proofs that humans are causing global warming," explained Milloy. "If it's a matter of money, Al Gore and the alarmists should just come out and tell us what sum it will cost the rest of us to see what proof they have."
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In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
“...if farther offshore is the way to go ... right? ... why isn't anyone actually doing it?”
This could be your lucky break Jack, unless you try to tell me 130 kilometers off the German coast does not qualify as “farther offshore.”
http://www.abb.com/cawp/gad02181/306c726f332f36d3c1257353003b91f0.aspx
“Borkum 2 wind farm will consist of 80 wind generators of 5 MW located about 130 km from the coast in the North Sea...”
This could be your lucky break Jack, unless you try to tell me 130 kilometers off the German coast does not qualify as “farther offshore.”
http://www.abb.com/cawp/gad02181/306c726f332f36d3c1257353003b91f0.aspx
“Borkum 2 wind farm will consist of 80 wind generators of 5 MW located about 130 km from the coast in the North Sea...”
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In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
"Giant Wind Turbines"
"Floating wind farms placed far offshore could lead to affordable electricity"
http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16801
"...Based on wind-speed measurements, researchers at MIT, led by Stephen Connors, director of the Analysis Group for Regional Electricity Alternatives, calculated that large turbines located far offshore could ultimately cost less per power generated than either land-based turbines or near-offshore ones, even factoring in extra costs, such as much longer underground electricity transmission cables. The upside: much more fast and steady wind, which would allow the turbines to generate power at 50 percent capacity on average throughout the year, compared with 30 percent or less with on-land turbines."
"Floating wind farms placed far offshore could lead to affordable electricity"
http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16801
"...Based on wind-speed measurements, researchers at MIT, led by Stephen Connors, director of the Analysis Group for Regional Electricity Alternatives, calculated that large turbines located far offshore could ultimately cost less per power generated than either land-based turbines or near-offshore ones, even factoring in extra costs, such as much longer underground electricity transmission cables. The upside: much more fast and steady wind, which would allow the turbines to generate power at 50 percent capacity on average throughout the year, compared with 30 percent or less with on-land turbines."
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In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
Google- “MORE ON THE "MAMMOTH DUNG" FANTASY” and read the article on Greeniewatch.
Then look for- “Scientists Counter AP Article Promoting Computer Model Climate Fears” on the U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Web site.
“…Nearly two dozen prominent scientists from around the world have denounced a recent Associated Press article promoting sea level fears in the year 2100 and beyond based on unproven computer models predictions.”
Sample- “...Dr. Richard S. Courtney, a climate and atmospheric science consultant and a UN IPCC expert reviewer ridiculed the AP article- “Rarely have I read such a collection of unsubstantiated and scare-mongering twaddle. Not only do real studies show no increase to rate of sea level change, the [AP] article gives reasons for concern that are nonsense,”
Then look for- “Scientists Counter AP Article Promoting Computer Model Climate Fears” on the U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Web site.
“…Nearly two dozen prominent scientists from around the world have denounced a recent Associated Press article promoting sea level fears in the year 2100 and beyond based on unproven computer models predictions.”
Sample- “...Dr. Richard S. Courtney, a climate and atmospheric science consultant and a UN IPCC expert reviewer ridiculed the AP article- “Rarely have I read such a collection of unsubstantiated and scare-mongering twaddle. Not only do real studies show no increase to rate of sea level change, the [AP] article gives reasons for concern that are nonsense,”
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In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
Who is Alan Caruba? Glad you asked. Among other things, he is the founder of the “National Anxiety Center, where the good news is… the bad news is WRONG!”
“Those” Europeans- which ones do you have in mind? I admire many Europeans, especially those who stand up and question wind power. Take for example the people mentioned in this Copenhagen Post story-
“Energy Giants Think Wind Power is Just Hot Air”
Jan. 25, 2007
“The country’s energy companies are not convinced that wind power is the way of the future. Management at Denmark’s energy companies, DONG Energy and Vattenfall, do not subscribe to the current mindset that wind energy will be especially prominent in the future, national broadcaster DR has reported.”
“The companies believe that coal-powered electricity will still be the largest supplier of the nation’s energy, despite the trend toward enviro. friendly sources. ‘Wind energy can’t solve the energy problem in the near future because it’s too unstable and possibly too expensive,’ said A. Eldrup, CEO of Dong Energy."
“Those” Europeans- which ones do you have in mind? I admire many Europeans, especially those who stand up and question wind power. Take for example the people mentioned in this Copenhagen Post story-
“Energy Giants Think Wind Power is Just Hot Air”
Jan. 25, 2007
“The country’s energy companies are not convinced that wind power is the way of the future. Management at Denmark’s energy companies, DONG Energy and Vattenfall, do not subscribe to the current mindset that wind energy will be especially prominent in the future, national broadcaster DR has reported.”
“The companies believe that coal-powered electricity will still be the largest supplier of the nation’s energy, despite the trend toward enviro. friendly sources. ‘Wind energy can’t solve the energy problem in the near future because it’s too unstable and possibly too expensive,’ said A. Eldrup, CEO of Dong Energy."
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In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
In response to: Cape Cod Commission subcommittee urges full commission vote against Cape Wind
Moses, it seems as though the CCC members have learned a great deal about wind as a 'power' source. Look online for the new essay- “Wind-Driven Delusions” by Alan Caruba. He included a few lines about Cape Wind, and this-
“...Wind farms are quite possibly the dumbest way possible to produce electricity.”
“...Wind farms are quite possibly the dumbest way possible to produce electricity.”
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In response to: Wind, the Beginning of the End of Oil Generated Electricity
In response to: Wind, the Beginning of the End of Oil Generated Electricity
Chuck, try to convince Jim Gordon there is no future in generating electricity with oil in New England. The citizens of Chelsea will be cheering if you succeed.
“Diesel Plant Proposed for Chelsea"
“Critics see hypocrisy by Cape Wind firm”
By Beth Daley, Globe Staff, July 3, 2006
“The company fighting to build a landmark clean wind power project off Cape Cod is raising eyebrows among friends and foes alike with its latest energy idea: a diesel-burning power plant in Chelsea across the street from the city's elementary school complex that will emit soot and other pollutants….[cut]
Jack, for an opposing view, google this article by Glenn R. Schleede on the ‘Minnesotans for Sustainability’ webpage-
“Windpower Cannot Replace Oil in Producing Electricity”
“Diesel Plant Proposed for Chelsea"
“Critics see hypocrisy by Cape Wind firm”
By Beth Daley, Globe Staff, July 3, 2006
“The company fighting to build a landmark clean wind power project off Cape Cod is raising eyebrows among friends and foes alike with its latest energy idea: a diesel-burning power plant in Chelsea across the street from the city's elementary school complex that will emit soot and other pollutants….[cut]
Jack, for an opposing view, google this article by Glenn R. Schleede on the ‘Minnesotans for Sustainability’ webpage-
“Windpower Cannot Replace Oil in Producing Electricity”
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In response to: Regions gaming scene changing fast; The two weeks which weren't
In response to: Regions gaming scene changing fast; The two weeks which weren't
“A coal mine collapse in Utah killed six workers, with another three dead after a second collapse…”
And in Oregon yesterday-
“Wind Turbine Collapse Kills One, Injures Second Worker”
One man was killed and another injured Saturday after a wind turbine collapsed in Sherman County.
Deputy Shull with the county Sheriff's office said the two men involved were working on a non-operational turbine at the Klondike Wind Farms east of Wasco.
Officials said one worker who was at the top of the turbine was killed when it buckled. A second man had to be rescued from the barrel of the collapsed structure. He was taken to an area hospital where his condition was unknown.
Deputy Shull said OHSHA was investigating the cause of the collapse.
[National Wind Watch thanks Bob Yoesle for alerting us to this event: “My friend Chadd, 34 years old, was killed today in a collapse of a wind tower in Sherman Co. Oregon. He leaves behind a wife and three children. We are all devastated by this loss.”]
And in Oregon yesterday-
“Wind Turbine Collapse Kills One, Injures Second Worker”
One man was killed and another injured Saturday after a wind turbine collapsed in Sherman County.
Deputy Shull with the county Sheriff's office said the two men involved were working on a non-operational turbine at the Klondike Wind Farms east of Wasco.
Officials said one worker who was at the top of the turbine was killed when it buckled. A second man had to be rescued from the barrel of the collapsed structure. He was taken to an area hospital where his condition was unknown.
Deputy Shull said OHSHA was investigating the cause of the collapse.
[National Wind Watch thanks Bob Yoesle for alerting us to this event: “My friend Chadd, 34 years old, was killed today in a collapse of a wind tower in Sherman Co. Oregon. He leaves behind a wife and three children. We are all devastated by this loss.”]
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In response to: Who actually opposes the proposed wind farm?
In response to: Who actually opposes the proposed wind farm?
News from N.Y.-
“LIPA Chief Kills Wind Farm Project”
MARK HARRINGTON, Newsday
Long Island Power Authority Chairman Kevin Law said he will "terminate" a controversial project to install 40 wind turbines off the coast of Jones Beach, dealing a fatal blow to a plan alternately portrayed as an environmental necessity and an economic boondoggle.
The decision follows Law's review of a recent report on the economics of the $700 million project that he said showed its costs to be "significantly" higher than traditional forms of energy generation. Legislators and citizens groups have criticized the plan since it was proposed in 2003, but a small cadre of environmental groups had been among its most ardent supporters. Recently, even some of those proponents have expressed surprise at the soaring cost of the project…. Environmental activist Richard Schary, who has long criticized the deal's unknown finances, said his concern had always been that the project "was not about the environment." Rather, he said, "it was about the money."
“LIPA Chief Kills Wind Farm Project”
MARK HARRINGTON, Newsday
Long Island Power Authority Chairman Kevin Law said he will "terminate" a controversial project to install 40 wind turbines off the coast of Jones Beach, dealing a fatal blow to a plan alternately portrayed as an environmental necessity and an economic boondoggle.
The decision follows Law's review of a recent report on the economics of the $700 million project that he said showed its costs to be "significantly" higher than traditional forms of energy generation. Legislators and citizens groups have criticized the plan since it was proposed in 2003, but a small cadre of environmental groups had been among its most ardent supporters. Recently, even some of those proponents have expressed surprise at the soaring cost of the project…. Environmental activist Richard Schary, who has long criticized the deal's unknown finances, said his concern had always been that the project "was not about the environment." Rather, he said, "it was about the money."
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In response to: Who actually opposes the proposed wind farm?
In response to: Who actually opposes the proposed wind farm?
Moses,
How do you explain the vote results on Nantucket in 2006 and in Mashpee in 2005?
To refresh your memory...
"Cape Wind Suffers Another Setback as Nantucket Voters Reject Wind Plant"
Nantucket, MA - 04/11/2006
"Nantucket voters today sent a clear message rejecting the proposed wind project during the town election on a non-binding referendum question asking, "Shall the Town of Nantucket support the generation of electricity by wind power as proposed for a site in Nantucket Sound?".
"The vote was 66% overwhelmingly opposed, 32% in favor. Another Massachusetts town has posed a similar ballot question. Last May in Mashpee, 59 percent of voters said they disagreed with "the concept of a wind farm in Nantucket Sound."
How do you explain the vote results on Nantucket in 2006 and in Mashpee in 2005?
To refresh your memory...
"Cape Wind Suffers Another Setback as Nantucket Voters Reject Wind Plant"
Nantucket, MA - 04/11/2006
"Nantucket voters today sent a clear message rejecting the proposed wind project during the town election on a non-binding referendum question asking, "Shall the Town of Nantucket support the generation of electricity by wind power as proposed for a site in Nantucket Sound?".
"The vote was 66% overwhelmingly opposed, 32% in favor. Another Massachusetts town has posed a similar ballot question. Last May in Mashpee, 59 percent of voters said they disagreed with "the concept of a wind farm in Nantucket Sound."
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In response to: Christy's windmills look good from here
In response to: Christy's windmills look good from here
"How soon can we take the canal power plant offline?"
Never?
Never?
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In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
“Danes Go Cold on Wind Farms”
Nov. 1 2006
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1613772006
“The nation that leads the world in wind-farm development is going cool on the environmentally friendly source of power. Since the boom year of 2000, when as many as 748 turbines were erected, the number being built in Denmark has steadily fallen. So far this year, only six new wind turbines have been put up. While many countries around the world are clamouring to buy Danish wind turbines, Denmark’s government is finding it difficult to convince its own population to accept an increase in the domestic use of the green technology. Describing turbines as “poorly located, noisy and unsightly”, a number of local authorities, backed by grass-roots campaigners, are rejecting plans for new wind farms.“
Nov. 1 2006
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1613772006
“The nation that leads the world in wind-farm development is going cool on the environmentally friendly source of power. Since the boom year of 2000, when as many as 748 turbines were erected, the number being built in Denmark has steadily fallen. So far this year, only six new wind turbines have been put up. While many countries around the world are clamouring to buy Danish wind turbines, Denmark’s government is finding it difficult to convince its own population to accept an increase in the domestic use of the green technology. Describing turbines as “poorly located, noisy and unsightly”, a number of local authorities, backed by grass-roots campaigners, are rejecting plans for new wind farms.“
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In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
In response to: Dateline Bizarro World (no ZIP code)
Solon, you say above, “I've talked to reps from the electrical generation industry…”
Maybe you should have talked less and listened more while you were in Denmark Solon. The Copenhagen Post ran this story on the first day of January.
“ENERGY GIANTS SAY WIND POWER IS HOT AIR”
“The country's energy companies are not convinced that wind power is the way of the future. Management at Denmark's energy companies, DONG Energy and Vattenfall, do not subscribe to the current mindset that wind energy will be especially prominent in the future, reported national public broadcaster DR. The companies believe that coal-powered electricity will still be the largest supplier of the nation's energy, despite the trend toward environmentally friendly sources. 'Wind energy can't solve the energy problem in the near future because it's too unstable and possibly too expensive,' said Anders Eldrup, chief executive of Dong Energy [Denmark’s largest energy company].
Maybe you should have talked less and listened more while you were in Denmark Solon. The Copenhagen Post ran this story on the first day of January.
“ENERGY GIANTS SAY WIND POWER IS HOT AIR”
“The country's energy companies are not convinced that wind power is the way of the future. Management at Denmark's energy companies, DONG Energy and Vattenfall, do not subscribe to the current mindset that wind energy will be especially prominent in the future, reported national public broadcaster DR. The companies believe that coal-powered electricity will still be the largest supplier of the nation's energy, despite the trend toward environmentally friendly sources. 'Wind energy can't solve the energy problem in the near future because it's too unstable and possibly too expensive,' said Anders Eldrup, chief executive of Dong Energy [Denmark’s largest energy company].
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In response to: Missing the Mark
In response to: Missing the Mark
Carl, follow the link below and learn more about wind power and the role it plays in modern mythology. [Don’t miss the video.]
“Wind Power Not All it Cracks Up To Be”
“Industry analysts say growth in wind power is stressing the system.”
http://www.kndo.com/Global/story.asp?S=6676434
“KENNEWICK, Wash.- Growth in renewable energy threatens to cripple the northwest's power grid. The constant on and off of wind power stresses the system….”
P.S., this update just in from Cape Wind-
“Based on the average wind speeds over the past hour, the Cape Wind project would have produced 0 MW of clean, local, renewable energy.”
“Wind Power Not All it Cracks Up To Be”
“Industry analysts say growth in wind power is stressing the system.”
http://www.kndo.com/Global/story.asp?S=6676434
“KENNEWICK, Wash.- Growth in renewable energy threatens to cripple the northwest's power grid. The constant on and off of wind power stresses the system….”
P.S., this update just in from Cape Wind-
“Based on the average wind speeds over the past hour, the Cape Wind project would have produced 0 MW of clean, local, renewable energy.”
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In response to: Missing the Mark
In response to: Missing the Mark
Capemom, I’m really not “perpetually questioning the business sense of the project.”
I perpetually question the rationale of wind power.
Look for www.nortexwind.org
“Simply put, it’s a corporate tax-avoidance scam, put in place by investment banking lobbyists, energy industry lobbyists, and the late Ken Lay and his Enron Wind subsidiary. Through manipulation in Congress and state legislatures, they have created a guaranteed high-return investment program, heavily subsidized by taxpayers and utility ratepayers, to benefit themselves at the expense of the public. They then market this scheme to the victimized public and gullible politicians as an environmentally-friendly "renewable energy" program, and have the "big" environmental groups join in a chorus of approval. This shameful tale is not unique. The corporate interests promoting Wind Energy were helped in Congress by a "renewable energy" alliance with corn-state Senators, and their fraudulent, heavily-subsidized "ethanol" replacement for gasoline, but that's another story.”
I perpetually question the rationale of wind power.
Look for www.nortexwind.org
“Simply put, it’s a corporate tax-avoidance scam, put in place by investment banking lobbyists, energy industry lobbyists, and the late Ken Lay and his Enron Wind subsidiary. Through manipulation in Congress and state legislatures, they have created a guaranteed high-return investment program, heavily subsidized by taxpayers and utility ratepayers, to benefit themselves at the expense of the public. They then market this scheme to the victimized public and gullible politicians as an environmentally-friendly "renewable energy" program, and have the "big" environmental groups join in a chorus of approval. This shameful tale is not unique. The corporate interests promoting Wind Energy were helped in Congress by a "renewable energy" alliance with corn-state Senators, and their fraudulent, heavily-subsidized "ethanol" replacement for gasoline, but that's another story.”
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In response to: Missing the Mark
In response to: Missing the Mark
Chuck, you always overlook the staggering costs of offshore wind power hardware, construction, and maintenance.
You say, “Just the facts please.” Does the following qualify?
“Offshore Wind Farm Not Happening in South Texas”
6/12/2007 Associated Press
“HOUSTON – Plans for what would have been the nation's largest offshore wind farm off South Texas have been canceled. The developer said the multibillion dollar project didn't make economic sense.”
“John Calaway is chief development officer for Babcock & Brown Limited, an Australian investment bank. Calaway says the company last month notified Texas that it's giving up its 30-year lease on nearly 40,000 acres in the Gulf of Mexico off Padre Island.”
“An offshore wind farm can cost more than twice as much as a land project.”
You say, “Just the facts please.” Does the following qualify?
“Offshore Wind Farm Not Happening in South Texas”
6/12/2007 Associated Press
“HOUSTON – Plans for what would have been the nation's largest offshore wind farm off South Texas have been canceled. The developer said the multibillion dollar project didn't make economic sense.”
“John Calaway is chief development officer for Babcock & Brown Limited, an Australian investment bank. Calaway says the company last month notified Texas that it's giving up its 30-year lease on nearly 40,000 acres in the Gulf of Mexico off Padre Island.”
“An offshore wind farm can cost more than twice as much as a land project.”
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In response to: The call of the running tide
In response to: The call of the running tide
Carl, www.crackpot.com might be on your favorites list, but you will not find those news stories there. The Associated Press published the article about the investment bank pulling out of the offshore project in Texas. The Copenhagen Post published the story about how Denmark’s image as a ‘green’ energy leader conflicts with reality.
BTW, I bet you already know but are loathe to admit that your M-Benz will not go far without a huge percentage of fossil fuel [horrors!!] diesel blended in with the bio-diesel. Have you seen this statement from the M-Benz Co?
“Mercedes-Benz Position on Biodiesel as of January 19, 2007”
“Mercedes-Benz USA now approves the use of B5 biodiesel (standard diesel with a MAXIMUM 5 % biodiesel content) in all Common Rail Injection Diesel CDI-engines… the only approved biodiesel content is one that meets the ASTM D6751 specification and that has additionally the necessary oxidation stability… to prevent damages to the system from deposits and/or corrosion.”
BTW, I bet you already know but are loathe to admit that your M-Benz will not go far without a huge percentage of fossil fuel [horrors!!] diesel blended in with the bio-diesel. Have you seen this statement from the M-Benz Co?
“Mercedes-Benz Position on Biodiesel as of January 19, 2007”
“Mercedes-Benz USA now approves the use of B5 biodiesel (standard diesel with a MAXIMUM 5 % biodiesel content) in all Common Rail Injection Diesel CDI-engines… the only approved biodiesel content is one that meets the ASTM D6751 specification and that has additionally the necessary oxidation stability… to prevent damages to the system from deposits and/or corrosion.”
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In response to: The call of the running tide
In response to: The call of the running tide
Wind turbine “success” around the world????
Recent news stories-
“OFFSHORE WIND FARM PLANS ARE CALLED OFF IN U.S. GULF”
“Plans to build what would have been the nation's largest offshore wind farm have been called off because the multibillion-dollar project didn't make economic sense. Babcock & Brown Ltd., an Australian investment bank, notified the state of Texas a month ago that it was giving up its 30-year lease on nearly 40,000 acres in the Gulf of Mexico...”
“DENMARK NOT SO GREEN AFTER ALL, SAYS EU.”
“Claims of Denmark’s exceptional environmental efforts are contradicted by EU numbers… Data on sustainable energy casts a shadow over Denmark’s image as a global green leader… Denmark’s dominant energy symbol, the wind turbine, has suffered under the current government, with the country losing 19 turbines last year - 28 were junked - only nine new ones were raised. The total wind energy produced nationwide was only 11 megawatts in 2006 compared with 600 megawatts in 2000...”
Recent news stories-
“OFFSHORE WIND FARM PLANS ARE CALLED OFF IN U.S. GULF”
“Plans to build what would have been the nation's largest offshore wind farm have been called off because the multibillion-dollar project didn't make economic sense. Babcock & Brown Ltd., an Australian investment bank, notified the state of Texas a month ago that it was giving up its 30-year lease on nearly 40,000 acres in the Gulf of Mexico...”
“DENMARK NOT SO GREEN AFTER ALL, SAYS EU.”
“Claims of Denmark’s exceptional environmental efforts are contradicted by EU numbers… Data on sustainable energy casts a shadow over Denmark’s image as a global green leader… Denmark’s dominant energy symbol, the wind turbine, has suffered under the current government, with the country losing 19 turbines last year - 28 were junked - only nine new ones were raised. The total wind energy produced nationwide was only 11 megawatts in 2006 compared with 600 megawatts in 2000...”
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In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
Carl, I did ask, ”If you have a copy of the book could you look for the passage and tell us exactly what it says?” I even added- “Thanks in advance.” Now that you found the page, could you do that? And while on the subject of propaganda, let’s not forget you wrote on 02/26/07, “There has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT! ...Please, post any research to dispute these facts.”
A simple web search turned up- “A Summary of Fatal Accidents in Wind Energy,” by Paul Gipe, and “Wind Turbine Accident Compilation to 1 Nov 2006”
Update from the UK- May 23, 2007-
“Man Dies After 100 foot Turbine Fall”
“A 19-year-old construction worker has been killed after falling 100 ft down the shaft of a windfarm turbine. The worker was inside the turbine which was under construction at the Earlsburn windfarm in Touch Hills, near Stirling. The accident happened at about 1730 BST on Tuesday. It is understood he was killed instantly... The Health and Safety Executive are investigating.”
A simple web search turned up- “A Summary of Fatal Accidents in Wind Energy,” by Paul Gipe, and “Wind Turbine Accident Compilation to 1 Nov 2006”
Update from the UK- May 23, 2007-
“Man Dies After 100 foot Turbine Fall”
“A 19-year-old construction worker has been killed after falling 100 ft down the shaft of a windfarm turbine. The worker was inside the turbine which was under construction at the Earlsburn windfarm in Touch Hills, near Stirling. The accident happened at about 1730 BST on Tuesday. It is understood he was killed instantly... The Health and Safety Executive are investigating.”
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In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
Carl, you are wrong again, along with W.W. and her co-author.
Maverick is right-
“…in the summer… Cape Wind will provide the least energy and the Cape will need it the most.”
Maverick is right-
“…in the summer… Cape Wind will provide the least energy and the Cape will need it the most.”
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In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
In response to: Cape Wind and Tabloid Journalism
Carl, I have not read the book yet but I did skim a few pages last week. Set me straight if I’m wrong, but I believe I found an ‘un-truth.’ Somewhere in the early chapters, the authors report the average wind speed on Nantucket Sound increases in the summer. That is not true. It’s a major error IMHO, considering W.W. claims to be a science writer.
If you have a copy of the book could you look for the passage and tell us exactly what it says? Thanks in advance.
If you have a copy of the book could you look for the passage and tell us exactly what it says? Thanks in advance.
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In response to: SSA General Manager refutes Moses Calouso Op Ed
In response to: SSA General Manager refutes Moses Calouso Op Ed
This is not the first time Moses has been wrong.
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In response to: Delaware to build first Offshore Wind Farm; Cape antis sue to block wind farm
In response to: Delaware to build first Offshore Wind Farm; Cape antis sue to block wind farm
News from Denmark;
“Power Provider Cuts Connection to Wind”
“Market uncertainties have given Dong Energy cold feet about a major offshore wind farm… The government’s goal of doubling national reliance on renewable energy by 2025 experienced a serious glitch Tuesday when Dong Energy backed out of plans to build a giant offshore wind farm that would have served as one of cornerstones of the plan…
The Rødsand 2 wind farm will be one of the world’s largest, but according to Dong the project is too expensive and the returns too little to make it commercially viable.”
“Power Provider Cuts Connection to Wind”
“Market uncertainties have given Dong Energy cold feet about a major offshore wind farm… The government’s goal of doubling national reliance on renewable energy by 2025 experienced a serious glitch Tuesday when Dong Energy backed out of plans to build a giant offshore wind farm that would have served as one of cornerstones of the plan…
The Rødsand 2 wind farm will be one of the world’s largest, but according to Dong the project is too expensive and the returns too little to make it commercially viable.”
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In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
Carl you say, “Wanting windfarms does not mean all fossil fuel plants will be shut down today. Some day yes.”
You believe ‘all’ fossil fuel plants will be shut down ‘some day’? You are dreaming again Carl. Please show us where wind turbines have replaced a single conventional power plant. Good luck.
Maybe you missed this- in a letter to the MMS, the National Trust for Historic Preservation has said-
“…we caution against a solution to this problem that would irreparably alter, DAMAGE, or DESTROY aspects of our national heritage without serious consideration of alternatives and/or modifications. MMS should make every effort to understand the implications of the Cape Wind Project, and if necessary deny the applicant’s 30-year lease request.”
You believe ‘all’ fossil fuel plants will be shut down ‘some day’? You are dreaming again Carl. Please show us where wind turbines have replaced a single conventional power plant. Good luck.
Maybe you missed this- in a letter to the MMS, the National Trust for Historic Preservation has said-
“…we caution against a solution to this problem that would irreparably alter, DAMAGE, or DESTROY aspects of our national heritage without serious consideration of alternatives and/or modifications. MMS should make every effort to understand the implications of the Cape Wind Project, and if necessary deny the applicant’s 30-year lease request.”
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In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
Carl, nothing personal, but your ideas are wacky. Huge weights in the sky?
Do you believe in perpetual motion too?
I know this hurts you and other wind power true believers, but again there is not enough wind on Nantucket Sound to generate a single watt of power. It’s been that way all morning long. Good thing those fossil fuel plants are up and running.
Do you believe in perpetual motion too?
I know this hurts you and other wind power true believers, but again there is not enough wind on Nantucket Sound to generate a single watt of power. It’s been that way all morning long. Good thing those fossil fuel plants are up and running.
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In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
Carl, please pay careful attention.
The German power company E-on Netz- probably the world’s most qualified grid operator when discussing wind energy- has gone on record declaring the following;
“Guaranteed wind power capacity below ten percent - traditional power stations essential”
Will you try to tell me and other people this is mis-information or a lie?
The German power company E-on Netz- probably the world’s most qualified grid operator when discussing wind energy- has gone on record declaring the following;
“Guaranteed wind power capacity below ten percent - traditional power stations essential”
Will you try to tell me and other people this is mis-information or a lie?
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In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
Carl, do you realize there was not enough wind blowing across Nantucket Sound today to power Cape Wind’s own navigational/warning lights?
Conventional power plants on the other hand could, and would, be counted on to do the job. Think about that.
Conventional power plants on the other hand could, and would, be counted on to do the job. Think about that.
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In response to: GLOBAL WARMING is a sticky wicket
In response to: GLOBAL WARMING is a sticky wicket
I’m trying to figure out what ever became of the Solon E. who wrote “The politics of global warming,” published by the CCTimes on Jan. 22, 2004. That Solon E. wrote-
“Remember that these global warming eggheads, the guys with reams of advanced degrees who can’t even tie their own shoelaces, are the same crowd that a few years ago warned us of the dire consequences of global freezing... This fraud- and that’s exactly what it is- is politically motivated by those who would like to see America reduced to the economic and sociological level of a Third World power... It’s not global warming that’s coming; it’s global cooling… Politically motivated voodoo scientists shrilly warn of global warming when they themselves are the primary source of the hot air.”
“Remember that these global warming eggheads, the guys with reams of advanced degrees who can’t even tie their own shoelaces, are the same crowd that a few years ago warned us of the dire consequences of global freezing... This fraud- and that’s exactly what it is- is politically motivated by those who would like to see America reduced to the economic and sociological level of a Third World power... It’s not global warming that’s coming; it’s global cooling… Politically motivated voodoo scientists shrilly warn of global warming when they themselves are the primary source of the hot air.”
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In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
Carl, here are parts of a letter the Nat. Trust for Historic Preservation sent to the MMS.
“…the visual intrusion of the Cape Wind Project will be significant on historic properties, as the Army Corps concluded in its visual impact assessment– “[t]he interruption of the natural horizon line by the turbines and related structures will significantly alter the historic Nantucket Sound setting”
“In light of the significant historic properties affected by the Cape Wind Project… MMS’ compliance with Sec. 106 and 110(f) of the NHPA and the requirements of NEPA are critical. The National Trust does support the need for and advancement of renewable energy technology. However, we caution against a solution to this problem that would irreparably alter, DAMAGE, or DESTROY aspects of our national heritage without serious consideration of alternatives and/or modifications. MMS should make every effort to understand the implications of the Cape Wind Project, and if necessary deny the applicant’s 30-year lease request.”
“…the visual intrusion of the Cape Wind Project will be significant on historic properties, as the Army Corps concluded in its visual impact assessment– “[t]he interruption of the natural horizon line by the turbines and related structures will significantly alter the historic Nantucket Sound setting”
“In light of the significant historic properties affected by the Cape Wind Project… MMS’ compliance with Sec. 106 and 110(f) of the NHPA and the requirements of NEPA are critical. The National Trust does support the need for and advancement of renewable energy technology. However, we caution against a solution to this problem that would irreparably alter, DAMAGE, or DESTROY aspects of our national heritage without serious consideration of alternatives and/or modifications. MMS should make every effort to understand the implications of the Cape Wind Project, and if necessary deny the applicant’s 30-year lease request.”
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In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
Carl, I’m not surprised at all to learn you don’t have any data “on hand” to back up what you’ve said about your renewable energy projects. I would think you’d keep the information at your finger tips- if it actually existed.
You said a few days ago, “Every project our company has done is working well to beyond expectations.” Now you’ve revised that to, “I'll ask around & see what I can come up with. I do see various home owners around who comment that their systems are working up to expectations.”
You are CCToday’s most vocal advocate of renewable energy. You take pride in having direct involvement with these ‘systems’; you go on and on about “FACTS!”, but you can’t produce evidence to show these projects really work, or are worth the cost. I guess that says something about renewable energy.
You asked me- “Tell me Neil, when is your heating system going to pay for it self?" It paid for itself a long time ago. We switched from electric heat to natural gas over ten years ago.
You said a few days ago, “Every project our company has done is working well to beyond expectations.” Now you’ve revised that to, “I'll ask around & see what I can come up with. I do see various home owners around who comment that their systems are working up to expectations.”
You are CCToday’s most vocal advocate of renewable energy. You take pride in having direct involvement with these ‘systems’; you go on and on about “FACTS!”, but you can’t produce evidence to show these projects really work, or are worth the cost. I guess that says something about renewable energy.
You asked me- “Tell me Neil, when is your heating system going to pay for it self?" It paid for itself a long time ago. We switched from electric heat to natural gas over ten years ago.
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In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
Carl, did I ask for names and addresses? You are avoiding the question. Show us data that will prove your so-called renewable energy home improvement projects are worth the investment. I don’t believe you can. Remember the story about the Ithaca, New York public library solar panels that cost over $1 million dollars? Someone has calculated the profits will start rolling in around January 2116.
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In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
In response to: Letters protest media boycott of book events
Carl, I’d like to see if you could elaborate on the ‘blizzard of mis-information.’
On the other hand, you have been mistaken about so many things I have lost track. You declared that no one has ever been injured or killed by a wind turbine. You were so confident you put “FACT!” in capitals. It was almost too easy proving how wrong you were. You were wrong again, when you pronounced, “…opposition groups in Denmark before the building of the windfarms have disbanded.” You must make up a lot of this nonsense on the fly, hoping it turns out to be true.
A few days ago you wrote; “Every project our company has done is working well to beyond expectations.” Please give us some concrete examples- with real data. As that editorial writer said last week- “Good intentions alone cannot assure the success of these projects."
On the other hand, you have been mistaken about so many things I have lost track. You declared that no one has ever been injured or killed by a wind turbine. You were so confident you put “FACT!” in capitals. It was almost too easy proving how wrong you were. You were wrong again, when you pronounced, “…opposition groups in Denmark before the building of the windfarms have disbanded.” You must make up a lot of this nonsense on the fly, hoping it turns out to be true.
A few days ago you wrote; “Every project our company has done is working well to beyond expectations.” Please give us some concrete examples- with real data. As that editorial writer said last week- “Good intentions alone cannot assure the success of these projects."
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In response to: Media boycott of book causes windstorm of protest
In response to: Media boycott of book causes windstorm of protest
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In response to: Media boycott of book causes windstorm of protest
In response to: Media boycott of book causes windstorm of protest
Moses, are you saying open debate/discussion about Cape Wind can always be found here on CCToday?
Did you see how a few days ago on the Op-Ed blog, under “Tilting at offshore windmills” it said “Comments Are Closed for this Post”?
The notice appeared just a few minutes after Barbara Durkin made a comment about Cape Wind, and I made a comment about wind power- both challenged statements Wendy W. made in her editorial in the C.S.Monitor. Both comments were “on topic”, but they were quickly deleted and then the comments were closed down.
Go back and listen to the audio file posted on 04/17/06 on ‘Cape Cod Media’- “Cape Blogs explained on local NPR stations” Walter can be heard telling Mindy Todd on WCAI radio last year-
“We go out and solicit people who disagree with us. The main-stream media,… they feel they have to control content. The new media that I represent… we don’t care what you say. There’s no filtering.”
I really have no axe to grind here. I find this all very entertaining at times- hope you do too.
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Neil, you are either a knave or stupid. Isn't this a criticism of this very site which gives you entree? Try doing this on ANY other local newspaper site and see how far you get.
So if you feel this way about CC Today, why don't you go peddle your hokum somewhere else?
Did you see how a few days ago on the Op-Ed blog, under “Tilting at offshore windmills” it said “Comments Are Closed for this Post”?
The notice appeared just a few minutes after Barbara Durkin made a comment about Cape Wind, and I made a comment about wind power- both challenged statements Wendy W. made in her editorial in the C.S.Monitor. Both comments were “on topic”, but they were quickly deleted and then the comments were closed down.
Go back and listen to the audio file posted on 04/17/06 on ‘Cape Cod Media’- “Cape Blogs explained on local NPR stations” Walter can be heard telling Mindy Todd on WCAI radio last year-
“We go out and solicit people who disagree with us. The main-stream media,… they feel they have to control content. The new media that I represent… we don’t care what you say. There’s no filtering.”
I really have no axe to grind here. I find this all very entertaining at times- hope you do too.
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Neil, you are either a knave or stupid. Isn't this a criticism of this very site which gives you entree? Try doing this on ANY other local newspaper site and see how far you get.
So if you feel this way about CC Today, why don't you go peddle your hokum somewhere else?
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In response to: Media boycott of book causes windstorm of protest
In response to: Media boycott of book causes windstorm of protest
Allow me to go out on a limb and say that if Publishers Weekly reports the book “…is certainly upfront about its bias,” it probably IS very biased. I’ve never contributed to WGBH before, but I’m thinking I will now.
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Carl, you claim, “…opposition groups in Denmark before the building of the windfarms have disbanded.”
You are wrong- again- Carl. Look for http://www.visigernej.dk/
Rough translation-
“It is not just in Kappeln that the inhabitants are opponents of large mills. Everywhere all around the country there are human beings that fight against the giant-mills. Storstrøms Amt calls the mills near Kappeln: "Ungraceful, dominant, disharmonious.” For us it is not just local interests that are at stake… We are deeply worried for the influence this huge project can have on human beings, landscapes, animals and nature on most of Vestlolland. Never before has anything corresponding been seen on the farm land in Denmark.”
You are wrong- again- Carl. Look for http://www.visigernej.dk/
Rough translation-
“It is not just in Kappeln that the inhabitants are opponents of large mills. Everywhere all around the country there are human beings that fight against the giant-mills. Storstrøms Amt calls the mills near Kappeln: "Ungraceful, dominant, disharmonious.” For us it is not just local interests that are at stake… We are deeply worried for the influence this huge project can have on human beings, landscapes, animals and nature on most of Vestlolland. Never before has anything corresponding been seen on the farm land in Denmark.”
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In response to: Meet the authors of the controversial new book
In response to: Meet the authors of the controversial new book
Carl,
You say- “Every project our company has done is working well to beyond expectations.”
Could you please give us some concrete examples- with facts and figures?
As that editorial writer said last week- “Good intentions alone cannot assure the success of these projects."
You say- “Every project our company has done is working well to beyond expectations.”
Could you please give us some concrete examples- with facts and figures?
As that editorial writer said last week- “Good intentions alone cannot assure the success of these projects."
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In response to: Meet the authors of the controversial new book
In response to: Meet the authors of the controversial new book
Carl, large scale renewable energy is a nice idea on paper, but in practice…., well, see last week’s Salem News editorial "Windmills and Schools a Bad Mix." Reprinted as “Be Wary of Wild Promises on Energy” in the Eagle-Tribune-
"…Nor does this technology always work. While there have been sporadic attempts to power up the solar array that dominates a hillside next to Beverly High School, for many years it sat there more symbolic of the empty promise of renewable energy than as a beacon for the future. Good intentions alone cannot assure the success of these projects..."
"…Nor does this technology always work. While there have been sporadic attempts to power up the solar array that dominates a hillside next to Beverly High School, for many years it sat there more symbolic of the empty promise of renewable energy than as a beacon for the future. Good intentions alone cannot assure the success of these projects..."
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In response to: Bourne man sued for Pops; brawl CG suspends search for four sailors into 6th day
In response to: Bourne man sued for Pops; brawl CG suspends search for four sailors into 6th day
CCToday, YouTube has 9:23 minutes of the Jimmy Kimmel show monologue from Thursday night here-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sv6Vcyl52E&mode=related&search=
Your alleged photo of “the guy from Bourne” comes straight from the Boston Pops brawl skit, which starts at 7:36 in the monologue. But be sure to watch the full 9:23 minutes to understand why it is so obvious you have been duped. Keep in mind the real Michael Hallam has refused to talk to the 'media.' I can't blame him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sv6Vcyl52E&mode=related&search=
Your alleged photo of “the guy from Bourne” comes straight from the Boston Pops brawl skit, which starts at 7:36 in the monologue. But be sure to watch the full 9:23 minutes to understand why it is so obvious you have been duped. Keep in mind the real Michael Hallam has refused to talk to the 'media.' I can't blame him.
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In response to: Bourne man sued for Pops; brawl CG suspends search for four sailors into 6th day
In response to: Bourne man sued for Pops; brawl CG suspends search for four sailors into 6th day
CCToday, are you sure the guy on the left is really from Bourne?
I think you've been fooled by an actor on the Jimmy Kimmel show.
I think you've been fooled by an actor on the Jimmy Kimmel show.
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In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
Self Reliance, I see personal attacks as a clear sign the attacker has lost the argument. Thank you.
You should study the detailed “Wind Report 2005” published by the German grid operator E.ON Netz. They have more experience handling large volumes of wind power than any other company in the world. Here is one of many interesting quotes from the report-
“In 2004 two major German studies investigated the size of contribution that wind farms make towards guaranteed capacity. Both studies separately came to virtually identical conclusions, that wind energy currently contributes to the secure production capacity of the system, by providing 8% of its installed capacity.”
And here is a bold text headline-
“Guaranteed Wind Power Capacity Below Ten Percent – Traditional Power Stations Essential”
And about those Pilgrims- mentioning their story is not a smart way to promote ‘wind energy.’ Do you realize the wind powered Mayflower journey, now known as the “Desperate Crossing,” took 65 days? LOL
You should study the detailed “Wind Report 2005” published by the German grid operator E.ON Netz. They have more experience handling large volumes of wind power than any other company in the world. Here is one of many interesting quotes from the report-
“In 2004 two major German studies investigated the size of contribution that wind farms make towards guaranteed capacity. Both studies separately came to virtually identical conclusions, that wind energy currently contributes to the secure production capacity of the system, by providing 8% of its installed capacity.”
And here is a bold text headline-
“Guaranteed Wind Power Capacity Below Ten Percent – Traditional Power Stations Essential”
And about those Pilgrims- mentioning their story is not a smart way to promote ‘wind energy.’ Do you realize the wind powered Mayflower journey, now known as the “Desperate Crossing,” took 65 days? LOL
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In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
I don’t fault you Self Reliance for trying to put the best possible spin on wind power, but the technology is inherently flawed because the driving force is so unreliable and so intermittent. The MMA turbine is producing no power at all right now, and the wind is rather light on Nantucket Sound.
The editorial “Windmills and Schools a Bad Mix” mentioned above was reprinted yesterday in the Eagle-Tribune under the title- “Be Wary of Wild Promises on Energy”
I’m still not convinced the first Hull turbine was paid off in 4 years.
The editorial “Windmills and Schools a Bad Mix” mentioned above was reprinted yesterday in the Eagle-Tribune under the title- “Be Wary of Wild Promises on Energy”
I’m still not convinced the first Hull turbine was paid off in 4 years.
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In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
Self Reliance, many thanks for helping to point out how Moses has exaggerated- repeatedly- about the output of the MMA turbine.
I checked out that pdf file you mention above. I see it is from 2003, so obviously it is a few years out of date. I also noticed the analysis is based on “assumptions” and “estimates.”
Where is evidence [clear and convincing] that the turbine was paid for in 4 years as Moses claimed the other day? You say above, quoting from the 2003 analysis and history, “…the simple payback was 4.1 years.”
Almost five and a half years have passed since Hull turbine No. 1 was installed. It should be extremely easy for wind power advocates to prove to wind power skeptics the 4.1-year payback prediction came true. Could you show us that it did come true? I’m sure Moses would appreciate any assistance you have to offer.
I checked out that pdf file you mention above. I see it is from 2003, so obviously it is a few years out of date. I also noticed the analysis is based on “assumptions” and “estimates.”
Where is evidence [clear and convincing] that the turbine was paid for in 4 years as Moses claimed the other day? You say above, quoting from the 2003 analysis and history, “…the simple payback was 4.1 years.”
Almost five and a half years have passed since Hull turbine No. 1 was installed. It should be extremely easy for wind power advocates to prove to wind power skeptics the 4.1-year payback prediction came true. Could you show us that it did come true? I’m sure Moses would appreciate any assistance you have to offer.
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In response to: Auto death charge; Global warming on The Cape; Bob & Wendy, Audra & Zilch
In response to: Auto death charge; Global warming on The Cape; Bob & Wendy, Audra & Zilch
But Moses, Horseshoe Shoal is just off the coast of Massachusetts, where Audra lives. This is not your home state of Rhode Island we are talking about.
And about the foreign oil 'mess'-
"Canada remained the largest exporter of total petroleum in February, exporting 2.448 million barrels per day to the United States, which was a slight decrease from last month (2.470 thousand barrels per day). The second largest exporter of total petroleum was Mexico with 1.507 million barrels per day."
And about the foreign oil 'mess'-
"Canada remained the largest exporter of total petroleum in February, exporting 2.448 million barrels per day to the United States, which was a slight decrease from last month (2.470 thousand barrels per day). The second largest exporter of total petroleum was Mexico with 1.507 million barrels per day."
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In response to: Auto death charge; Global warming on The Cape; Bob & Wendy, Audra & Zilch
In response to: Auto death charge; Global warming on The Cape; Bob & Wendy, Audra & Zilch
Moses,
You are doing a great job making statements that turn out to be false. For example-
“Mass. Maritime Academy gets 50% of it's power needs met by it's one wind turbine.”
“Wind power is the source of 50% of the campus energy needs. This is public record.”
”MMA saves 1/2 it's electric bill as a result of it's wind tower.”
“I spoke with the President of Massachusetts Maritime Academy. 50% of their annual electricity requirement has been met by their wind turbine.”
Moses, did you hope your ‘claim’ would come true if you just kept repeating it? Remember, the MMA used 5,196,600 kWh in FY 2005.
Were you trying to sway public opinion by chance?
You are doing a great job making statements that turn out to be false. For example-
“Mass. Maritime Academy gets 50% of it's power needs met by it's one wind turbine.”
“Wind power is the source of 50% of the campus energy needs. This is public record.”
”MMA saves 1/2 it's electric bill as a result of it's wind tower.”
“I spoke with the President of Massachusetts Maritime Academy. 50% of their annual electricity requirement has been met by their wind turbine.”
Moses, did you hope your ‘claim’ would come true if you just kept repeating it? Remember, the MMA used 5,196,600 kWh in FY 2005.
Were you trying to sway public opinion by chance?
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In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
Buzz, it is encouraging to know you can see past Cape Wind's plan to take over the center of Nantucket Sound.
Look on-line for “The Top Ten False and Misleading Claims the Wind Power Industry makes for Projects in the Eastern United States.”
and,
“Wind Puffery; Wind Salesmen’s Talking Points and the Facts that Refute Them”
Look on-line for “The Top Ten False and Misleading Claims the Wind Power Industry makes for Projects in the Eastern United States.”
and,
“Wind Puffery; Wind Salesmen’s Talking Points and the Facts that Refute Them”
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In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
Speaking of facts and truthfulness Moses, are you still insisting that Hull paid for it's turbine in 4 years?
I was hoping Self Reliance might help you out with “proof.” Could you please tell us where you came by the information so we can check it out?
Yesterday, after you declared, “the windy season is coming up”, I said you were mistaken and told you about the National Data Buoy Center. You came back with- “Neil, again, you need to start working with facts rather than fiction,” and, “Neil - you don't seem to be very well informed. Where do you get your information from?”
I then told you- again- about the National Data Buoy Center. You replied with- “Neil - after running the historical numbers you are correct.”
I’d like to see you come out ahead on this one Moses, but can you?
I was hoping Self Reliance might help you out with “proof.” Could you please tell us where you came by the information so we can check it out?
Yesterday, after you declared, “the windy season is coming up”, I said you were mistaken and told you about the National Data Buoy Center. You came back with- “Neil, again, you need to start working with facts rather than fiction,” and, “Neil - you don't seem to be very well informed. Where do you get your information from?”
I then told you- again- about the National Data Buoy Center. You replied with- “Neil - after running the historical numbers you are correct.”
I’d like to see you come out ahead on this one Moses, but can you?
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In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
Self Reliance, you appear to have a much better grasp of facts than Moses. On Tuesday Moses made the claim that the Massachusetts Maritime Academy, “…gets 50% of its power needs met by it's one wind turbine.”
We now know that is just not true, considering that in FY 2005 MMA consumed 5,196,600 kWh of electricity. Moses also claimed, “Hull paid for it's turbine in 4 years rather than 12”
Do you believe that is true Self Reliance? Or is this another exaggeration?
If the first Hull turbine has paid for itself, that would be great, but I would like to see some hard data before I believe it. Could you come up with information to help Moses prove the first Hull turbine generated enough power to cover its costs in four years?
Many thanks in advance.
We now know that is just not true, considering that in FY 2005 MMA consumed 5,196,600 kWh of electricity. Moses also claimed, “Hull paid for it's turbine in 4 years rather than 12”
Do you believe that is true Self Reliance? Or is this another exaggeration?
If the first Hull turbine has paid for itself, that would be great, but I would like to see some hard data before I believe it. Could you come up with information to help Moses prove the first Hull turbine generated enough power to cover its costs in four years?
Many thanks in advance.
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In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
Moses, these crystal ball predictions of ‘expected’ output remind me of a web comment from 3 years ago [to the day]. You have to read it yourself. Google this exact phrase with the “” marks. Be sure to click on ‘cached'.
“The results are quite shocking to windmill advocates”
You are on the right track if you see- ‘RE: A FLIGHTY WIND’ Skip the French text or ask Monpo for help. The story in La Presse was titled, “The Wind Mills Do Not Keep Their Promises” That should give you a hint.
It’s all about the “…drastic difference between optimistic projections of wind-power advocates, and real-life experience.”
From a 2nd www source- same Quebec ‘project’
"Enviro’s, politicians and bankers all seem to agree that wind energy is the next big thing. Unfortunately, few seem to have consulted Mother Nature on this... The 133 Le Nordais turbines have produced 40% less power than they were supposed to... Axor's $56-mil. investment has been wiped out. The resource - the wind - was overestimated by all the experts.”
“The results are quite shocking to windmill advocates”
You are on the right track if you see- ‘RE: A FLIGHTY WIND’ Skip the French text or ask Monpo for help. The story in La Presse was titled, “The Wind Mills Do Not Keep Their Promises” That should give you a hint.
It’s all about the “…drastic difference between optimistic projections of wind-power advocates, and real-life experience.”
From a 2nd www source- same Quebec ‘project’
"Enviro’s, politicians and bankers all seem to agree that wind energy is the next big thing. Unfortunately, few seem to have consulted Mother Nature on this... The 133 Le Nordais turbines have produced 40% less power than they were supposed to... Axor's $56-mil. investment has been wiped out. The resource - the wind - was overestimated by all the experts.”
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In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
I’m not convinced one turbine makes any sense Moses. Three more could make matters worse. By chance, the Salem News has an editorial on line titled- “Windmills and Schools a Bad Mix” [Timing can be so important.]
“…Wind turbines are expensive, and require maintenance…”
”Nor does this technology always work. While there have been sporadic attempts to power up the solar array that dominates a hillside next to Beverly High School, for many years it sat there more symbolic of the empty promise of renewable energy than as a beacon for the future.”
“Good intentions alone cannot assure the success of these projects. Before communities spend millions demonstrating their concern for the environment by erecting huge wind turbines or investing in other forms of energy production, they should be certain there will be a reasonable return on and proper management of those facilities.”
“…Wind turbines are expensive, and require maintenance…”
”Nor does this technology always work. While there have been sporadic attempts to power up the solar array that dominates a hillside next to Beverly High School, for many years it sat there more symbolic of the empty promise of renewable energy than as a beacon for the future.”
“Good intentions alone cannot assure the success of these projects. Before communities spend millions demonstrating their concern for the environment by erecting huge wind turbines or investing in other forms of energy production, they should be certain there will be a reasonable return on and proper management of those facilities.”
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In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
Monpo, usually I am completely snubbed when I ask questions around here. It seems the occasional- “THIS COMMENT HAS BEEN DELETED”- is a better sign of progress.
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In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
In response to: FA Gets Idea of Renewable Energy Spinning
Look for "Windmills and Schools a Bad Mix" in today's Salem News on-line edition.
"…Nor does this technology always work. While there have been sporadic attempts to power up the solar array that dominates a hillside next to Beverly High School, for many years it sat there more symbolic of the empty promise of renewable energy than as a beacon for the future. Good intentions alone cannot assure the success of these projects..."
"…Nor does this technology always work. While there have been sporadic attempts to power up the solar array that dominates a hillside next to Beverly High School, for many years it sat there more symbolic of the empty promise of renewable energy than as a beacon for the future. Good intentions alone cannot assure the success of these projects..."
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In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
Where do I get wind speed data?
Today it came from the National Data Buoy Center- ‘Station BUZM3’ - Buzzards Bay, MA.
Are you really trying to tell me that is not a trustworthy source?
Are you still saying "The windy season is coming up"?
Today it came from the National Data Buoy Center- ‘Station BUZM3’ - Buzzards Bay, MA.
Are you really trying to tell me that is not a trustworthy source?
Are you still saying "The windy season is coming up"?
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In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
Moses,
You are the one having trouble with facts, not me.
Are you still planning to tell people the windy season is coming up?
I’d be ashamed if I could not get this extremely basic information straight.
Forgive me for saying it so bluntly, but this is just another example of wind power advocates misinforming the public.
You are the one having trouble with facts, not me.
Are you still planning to tell people the windy season is coming up?
I’d be ashamed if I could not get this extremely basic information straight.
Forgive me for saying it so bluntly, but this is just another example of wind power advocates misinforming the public.
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In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
Moses, you say, “The windy season is coming up. I'm looking forward to you eating your words...”
I have more [very] bad news for you Moses.
The windy season is NOT coming up.
May, June, July and August are the months with the LEAST amount of wind on the coast of Southern New England. Don’t believe me? Check the National Data Buoy Center data for ‘Station BUZM3’ - Buzzards Bay, MA. Look for- “Historical Data & Climatic Summaries for quality controlled data for the current month, previous months, and previous years.”
The MMA Turbine page has graphs for ‘year’ and ‘lifetime’ starting with Jun. 06. The page also reports- "Greenhouse Gases Avoided Since Installation Jun 22, 2006.” Seems to me the turbine has been in operation since before Oct. 06.
I have more [very] bad news for you Moses.
The windy season is NOT coming up.
May, June, July and August are the months with the LEAST amount of wind on the coast of Southern New England. Don’t believe me? Check the National Data Buoy Center data for ‘Station BUZM3’ - Buzzards Bay, MA. Look for- “Historical Data & Climatic Summaries for quality controlled data for the current month, previous months, and previous years.”
The MMA Turbine page has graphs for ‘year’ and ‘lifetime’ starting with Jun. 06. The page also reports- "Greenhouse Gases Avoided Since Installation Jun 22, 2006.” Seems to me the turbine has been in operation since before Oct. 06.
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In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
I get the feeling someone has a vivid imagination Moses. On 04/02/07 you wrote- “I spoke with the President of Mass. Maritime Academy. 50% of their annual electricity requirement has been met by their wind turbine. How about that?”
Now you are saying “…it is actually 200k that MMA saves on it's power.”
You are relying on a B. Globe story from Feb. 24, '06, before the turbine was even installed. The 200k figure was a prediction- “At the Mass. Maritime Academy, a turbine to be built this spring with state funds and a collaborative grant could provide about one-third of the college's electrical load, [and] save $200,000 to $300,000 a year…”
I believe the true dollar savings and the power output are only about half of what was predicted. This all reminds me of what J. Boone wrote in “The Wayward Wind,”
“I could not substantiate a single claim developers made for industrial wind energy, including the one justifying its existence: that massive wind installations would meaningfully reduce our reliance on fossil fuels.”
Now you are saying “…it is actually 200k that MMA saves on it's power.”
You are relying on a B. Globe story from Feb. 24, '06, before the turbine was even installed. The 200k figure was a prediction- “At the Mass. Maritime Academy, a turbine to be built this spring with state funds and a collaborative grant could provide about one-third of the college's electrical load, [and] save $200,000 to $300,000 a year…”
I believe the true dollar savings and the power output are only about half of what was predicted. This all reminds me of what J. Boone wrote in “The Wayward Wind,”
“I could not substantiate a single claim developers made for industrial wind energy, including the one justifying its existence: that massive wind installations would meaningfully reduce our reliance on fossil fuels.”
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In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
In response to: Delaware is rushing to catch the wind; What are the Wind Power subsidies? The Next Hurricane's cost
Moses, it's time to put fresh batteries in your calculator or take a refresher course in math.
According to a reliable source, the MMA campus FY 05 electric consumption was 5,196,600 kWh.
The MMA Turbine web page reports that the lifetime output is now just over 909,703 kWh
Are you planning to continue saying that turbine is providing 50% of the electricity at MMA?
According to a reliable source, the MMA campus FY 05 electric consumption was 5,196,600 kWh.
The MMA Turbine web page reports that the lifetime output is now just over 909,703 kWh
Are you planning to continue saying that turbine is providing 50% of the electricity at MMA?
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In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
Yes Chuck, facts do speak all by themselves. The German grid operator E. On Netz has far more experience with wind power than ISO New England or any other grid operator in the world. Here are bits and pieces from the company’s ‘Wind Report 2005’
“At the end of last year, there was an installed wind power capacity of over 7,000 MW in the E.ON Netz grid area… more than the entire wind power capacity of the United States.”
“…dependence on the prevailing wind conditions means that wind power has a limited load factor even when technically available… Traditional power stations with capacities equal to 90% of the installed wind power capacity must be permanently online in order to guarantee power supply at all times… the increased use of wind power in Germany has resulted in uncontrollable fluctuations occurring on the generation side due to the random character of wind power feed-in… Guaranteed wind power capacity is below ten percent – traditional power stations [remain] essential.”
“At the end of last year, there was an installed wind power capacity of over 7,000 MW in the E.ON Netz grid area… more than the entire wind power capacity of the United States.”
“…dependence on the prevailing wind conditions means that wind power has a limited load factor even when technically available… Traditional power stations with capacities equal to 90% of the installed wind power capacity must be permanently online in order to guarantee power supply at all times… the increased use of wind power in Germany has resulted in uncontrollable fluctuations occurring on the generation side due to the random character of wind power feed-in… Guaranteed wind power capacity is below ten percent – traditional power stations [remain] essential.”
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In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
So you think that was a ridiculous question? You don’t believe commercial sail/wind power will be returning to the high seas? I don’t either.
It is also ridiculous to believe wind power can provide a significant, cost effective, amount of electricity in the future- for the same reasons we won’t be seeing clipper ships return- wind power is just too unreliable.
It is now nearly flat calm on Nantucket Sound. Seven straight hours without enough wind to produce a single watt of electricity.
It is also ridiculous to believe wind power can provide a significant, cost effective, amount of electricity in the future- for the same reasons we won’t be seeing clipper ships return- wind power is just too unreliable.
It is now nearly flat calm on Nantucket Sound. Seven straight hours without enough wind to produce a single watt of electricity.
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In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
I do understand the concept. Everything I see convinces me that a huge industrial wind power plant in the center of Nantucket Sound would be impractical and unnecessary.
Here is a report making the rounds today. Paul Watson, “…founder and president of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and famous for militant intervention to stop whalers, now warns mankind is “acting like a virus” and is harming Mother Earth….”
Watson urged some solutions for mankind-
“Sea transportation should be by sail. The big clippers were the finest ships ever built and sufficient to our needs. Air transportation should be by solar powered blimps when air transportation is necessary…” "Watson essentially called for humans to return to primitive lifestyles. “We need to stop flying, stop driving cars, and jetting around on marine recreational vehicles. The Mennonites survive without cars and so can the rest of us.”
Moses, do you think sail power will return in the sea transportation field? Or would that be just too impractical?
Here is a report making the rounds today. Paul Watson, “…founder and president of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and famous for militant intervention to stop whalers, now warns mankind is “acting like a virus” and is harming Mother Earth….”
Watson urged some solutions for mankind-
“Sea transportation should be by sail. The big clippers were the finest ships ever built and sufficient to our needs. Air transportation should be by solar powered blimps when air transportation is necessary…” "Watson essentially called for humans to return to primitive lifestyles. “We need to stop flying, stop driving cars, and jetting around on marine recreational vehicles. The Mennonites survive without cars and so can the rest of us.”
Moses, do you think sail power will return in the sea transportation field? Or would that be just too impractical?
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In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
More bad news for wind power proponents. I just checked the MMA turbine web page too. Wind power is NOT working right now. The turbine is producing “Zero Kw’s”. Seems there is something fishy with the MMA turbine web page. The graph says the turbine produced 100 Kw at noon, but there is practically no wind to speak of. The ‘generating’ number has been at ‘zero Kw’ all morning and early afternoon.
Where can I find that public record Moses?
Five straight hours have now passed with ZERO Mw hours ‘projected’ output from Cape Wind.
Where can I find that public record Moses?
Five straight hours have now passed with ZERO Mw hours ‘projected’ output from Cape Wind.
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In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
In response to: Do as I say and not as I do, Cape Wind review
Randall Swisher, director of the American Wind Energy Association uses the term ”inexhaustible" to describe wind power. Cape Wind’s spokesman says wind is ‘blowing by us all the time.”
Yet, according to Cape Wind’s data tower web page- “Based on the average wind speeds over the past [4] hours, the Cape Wind Project would have produced 0 [Zero] Mw hours of clean local, renewable energy”
The only reliable part of industrial wind power is the hype and wishful thinking that comes with it.
Yet, according to Cape Wind’s data tower web page- “Based on the average wind speeds over the past [4] hours, the Cape Wind Project would have produced 0 [Zero] Mw hours of clean local, renewable energy”
The only reliable part of industrial wind power is the hype and wishful thinking that comes with it.
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In response to: Packed House Hears Eminent Speakers on Climate Change
In response to: Packed House Hears Eminent Speakers on Climate Change
Read Rolf Richardson’s ‘Bad Science’ article here on CCToday.
“Even in recorded history there have been climate swings greatly in excess of what we are getting now...”
“So why the panic? In a word: hysteria...”
“Even in recorded history there have been climate swings greatly in excess of what we are getting now...”
“So why the panic? In a word: hysteria...”
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In response to: Following the Money
In response to: Following the Money
I need to see hard evidence Moses before I believe their turbine provides one-half of all the electricity at Mass Maritime. Yes, I have seen the turbine up close. I just checked the MMA Turbine web page. Right now, it is producing 0 kilowatts.
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In response to: Following the Money
In response to: Following the Money
Moses, when the subject of solar power comes up, I think of the Ithaca, NY public library story. Over one million dollars of taxpayer money was spent to install solar panels on the library roof in 2001. Since then the panels have generated about $9,358 worth of electricity per year. You are right, I don’t believe solar energy makes much sense in the Northeast.
Google “Keeping Taxpayers in the Dark” and look for the story on FreeRepublic.com You’ll find a photo of the library roof. The reader comments are fun to read. Here is one with a follow-up reply I thought was good-
“Like the greenies say, every little bit helps. What it helps with isn't exactly clear.”
“It helps the "greenie" who owned the company that installed the solar panels.”
[About wind 'power'- Even if your gasoline was free, how long would you keep your car if you had to maintain it year round, but it still only ran 20 to 30 percent of the time?]
Google “Keeping Taxpayers in the Dark” and look for the story on FreeRepublic.com You’ll find a photo of the library roof. The reader comments are fun to read. Here is one with a follow-up reply I thought was good-
“Like the greenies say, every little bit helps. What it helps with isn't exactly clear.”
“It helps the "greenie" who owned the company that installed the solar panels.”
[About wind 'power'- Even if your gasoline was free, how long would you keep your car if you had to maintain it year round, but it still only ran 20 to 30 percent of the time?]
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In response to: Following the Money
In response to: Following the Money
Not one house on Cape Cod could be powered by wind today Moses, not one, because there is no wind today. Check and see for yourself.
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In response to: Following the Money
In response to: Following the Money
Some contributions made by Jim Gordon and his principal partner in EMI Mitchell Jacobs-
Jim Gordon gave-
BINGAMAN, JEFF- $1000.00
BASS, CHARLES F. via BASS VICTORY COMMITTEE $2000.00
SNOWE, OLYMPIA J via SNOWE FOR SENATE $1000.00
BINGAMAN, JEFF, via A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT JEFF BINGAMAN $1000.00
KITPAC $500.00
RHODE ISLAND DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE $1000.00
POMBO, RICHARD, VIA RICHARD POMBO FOR CONGRESS $1000.00
Mitchell Jacobs gave-
BASS, CHARLES F., via BASS VICTORY COMMITTEE $500.00
JOHNSON, TIM, via TIM JOHNSON FOR SOUTH DAKOTA INC. $500.00
COHEN, BURTON JOSEPH, via COHEN FOR NEW HAMPSHIRE $500.00
KERRY, JOHN FORBES, via KERRY COMMITTEE $1000.00
MENENDEZ, ROBERT, via MENENDEZ FOR SENATE $500.00
WHITEHOUSE, SHELDON II, via WHITEHOUSE 06 $500.00
DASCHLE, THOMAS ANDREW, via NEW LEADERSHIP FOR AMERICA PAC $500.00
KERRY, JOHN F, via JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT INC $2000.00
Jim Gordon gave-
BINGAMAN, JEFF- $1000.00
BASS, CHARLES F. via BASS VICTORY COMMITTEE $2000.00
SNOWE, OLYMPIA J via SNOWE FOR SENATE $1000.00
BINGAMAN, JEFF, via A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT JEFF BINGAMAN $1000.00
KITPAC $500.00
RHODE ISLAND DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE $1000.00
POMBO, RICHARD, VIA RICHARD POMBO FOR CONGRESS $1000.00
Mitchell Jacobs gave-
BASS, CHARLES F., via BASS VICTORY COMMITTEE $500.00
JOHNSON, TIM, via TIM JOHNSON FOR SOUTH DAKOTA INC. $500.00
COHEN, BURTON JOSEPH, via COHEN FOR NEW HAMPSHIRE $500.00
KERRY, JOHN FORBES, via KERRY COMMITTEE $1000.00
MENENDEZ, ROBERT, via MENENDEZ FOR SENATE $500.00
WHITEHOUSE, SHELDON II, via WHITEHOUSE 06 $500.00
DASCHLE, THOMAS ANDREW, via NEW LEADERSHIP FOR AMERICA PAC $500.00
KERRY, JOHN F, via JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT INC $2000.00
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In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
Moses writes;
“...THE AUDUBON SOCIETY. GO CHECK THEIR WEB SITE. CALL THEM.”
You should give Audubon of Kansas a call Moses. Here is the number; 785- 537-4385
From their ‘Wind Power Issues’ web site-
‘Tallgrass Prairie Threatened’
‘Wind Farms Costly for Kansans’
‘Wind farms proposed for the state of Kansas would take money out of citizens' pockets, harm the Kansas economy, and provide few if any environmental benefits, a new study finds.’
‘Eagles Killed by Turbines’
‘Environmentalists Debate Benefits’
’One of the greenest forms of energy - wind power - is picking up opposition from the very people you might expect to champion it: environmentalists.’
‘Audubon of Kansas Joins Lawsuits’
’In January of 2005 Audubon of Kansas joined with about forty individuals to incorporate the Flint Hills Tallgrass Prairie Heritage Foundation (FHTPHF) which then launched a federal lawsuit to try to prevent ScottishPower from building its first industrial wind power complex..’
“...THE AUDUBON SOCIETY. GO CHECK THEIR WEB SITE. CALL THEM.”
You should give Audubon of Kansas a call Moses. Here is the number; 785- 537-4385
From their ‘Wind Power Issues’ web site-
‘Tallgrass Prairie Threatened’
‘Wind Farms Costly for Kansans’
‘Wind farms proposed for the state of Kansas would take money out of citizens' pockets, harm the Kansas economy, and provide few if any environmental benefits, a new study finds.’
‘Eagles Killed by Turbines’
‘Environmentalists Debate Benefits’
’One of the greenest forms of energy - wind power - is picking up opposition from the very people you might expect to champion it: environmentalists.’
‘Audubon of Kansas Joins Lawsuits’
’In January of 2005 Audubon of Kansas joined with about forty individuals to incorporate the Flint Hills Tallgrass Prairie Heritage Foundation (FHTPHF) which then launched a federal lawsuit to try to prevent ScottishPower from building its first industrial wind power complex..’
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In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
Solon,
Look on-line for "DANISH WIND: TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?" in the Utilities Journal, July '04
"...Denmark has installed 3,100 MW of wind turbine capacity to date, which is in theory capable of generating 20% of the country’s electricity demand. The statistic is MISLEADING because it implies that 20% of Denmark’s power is supplied continuously from its wind capacity, but the figure appears to be a PROMOTIONAL statistic rather than a factual representation of the supply pattern..."
"Eltra indicated that the difference between the price paid to the generators under the government’s terms for wind produced electricity in 2003 exceeded the revenue from export sales by about DKr1 billion. In other words, the Danish electricity consumer is subsidising Norway and Sweden to the tune of DKr1 billion for the privilege of operating wind farms..."
Look on-line for "DANISH WIND: TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?" in the Utilities Journal, July '04
"...Denmark has installed 3,100 MW of wind turbine capacity to date, which is in theory capable of generating 20% of the country’s electricity demand. The statistic is MISLEADING because it implies that 20% of Denmark’s power is supplied continuously from its wind capacity, but the figure appears to be a PROMOTIONAL statistic rather than a factual representation of the supply pattern..."
"Eltra indicated that the difference between the price paid to the generators under the government’s terms for wind produced electricity in 2003 exceeded the revenue from export sales by about DKr1 billion. In other words, the Danish electricity consumer is subsidising Norway and Sweden to the tune of DKr1 billion for the privilege of operating wind farms..."
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In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
In response to: Windmills: Texas 1, Massachusetts 0
Solon, can you please show us concrete information to back up the claims you've made above-
1] That the Danes produced 20 percent of their electricity with wind energy when you were there.
2] That it is now 40 percent and increasing.
3] That the central peninsula produces 200 percent of the energy it needs from wind.
You’ve been misled by Danish wind turbine industry propaganda. In 2003, ONLY 3.1% of the electricity consumed in Denmark came from wind turbines.
From the UK’s Renewable Energy Foundation-
”…European experience shows conclusively that annual [wind] production is routinely disappointing.” [The report that 20% of Danish power comes from wind], “…is a speciously impressive HALF-TRUTH, and results from an arithmetical calculation… It is NOT an accurate representation of daily operation…”
1] That the Danes produced 20 percent of their electricity with wind energy when you were there.
2] That it is now 40 percent and increasing.
3] That the central peninsula produces 200 percent of the energy it needs from wind.
You’ve been misled by Danish wind turbine industry propaganda. In 2003, ONLY 3.1% of the electricity consumed in Denmark came from wind turbines.
From the UK’s Renewable Energy Foundation-
”…European experience shows conclusively that annual [wind] production is routinely disappointing.” [The report that 20% of Danish power comes from wind], “…is a speciously impressive HALF-TRUTH, and results from an arithmetical calculation… It is NOT an accurate representation of daily operation…”
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In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
Don’t be 100% sure that expansion will happen Moses. Maybe it will, but plans for "new" wind power in Denmark have changed before.
“Minister Cancels All Renewable Energy Development Programmes”
“The new right-wing Gov. in Denmark is cancelling all renewable energy development programs in its new finance bill presented to Parliament on 29 Jan. 2002”
And….
“Danes Go Cold On Wind Farms”
Nov. 1, 2006
“The nation that leads the world in wind-farm development is going cool on the environmentally friendly source of power… Strict zoning codes have virtually halted the construction of new wind turbines in Denmark, according to Marianne Bender, of the Org. for Sustainable Energy… Protests from citizens and lobby organizations have hindered the building of turbines many places in the country,' she told daily newspaper Nyhedsavisen… Describing turbines as “poorly located, noisy and unsightly”, a number of local authorities, backed by grass-roots campaigners, are rejecting plans for new wind farms.”
“Minister Cancels All Renewable Energy Development Programmes”
“The new right-wing Gov. in Denmark is cancelling all renewable energy development programs in its new finance bill presented to Parliament on 29 Jan. 2002”
And….
“Danes Go Cold On Wind Farms”
Nov. 1, 2006
“The nation that leads the world in wind-farm development is going cool on the environmentally friendly source of power… Strict zoning codes have virtually halted the construction of new wind turbines in Denmark, according to Marianne Bender, of the Org. for Sustainable Energy… Protests from citizens and lobby organizations have hindered the building of turbines many places in the country,' she told daily newspaper Nyhedsavisen… Describing turbines as “poorly located, noisy and unsightly”, a number of local authorities, backed by grass-roots campaigners, are rejecting plans for new wind farms.”
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In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
“[Danish] Minister Says 'No' to Sustainable Energy“
Oct. 4, 2005
“Current electricity production creates surplus energy, minimising the need for sustainable energy sources, says the minister of energy. The opposition's Social Liberal Party protests”
“Despite the government's pledge to prioritise sustainable energy sources, Minister of Transport and Energy Flemming Hansen said on Monday that due to 'significant levels of overcapacity', there were no plans to make use of more sustainable energy.”
“Hansen said offshore wind turbines and bio-energy used to power district heating systems were currently unneeded. ‘For me, it is quite clear that there is no need for increased subsidies or to give permits for creating more offshore wind turbines or similar projects right now,' said Hansen.”
Oct. 4, 2005
“Current electricity production creates surplus energy, minimising the need for sustainable energy sources, says the minister of energy. The opposition's Social Liberal Party protests”
“Despite the government's pledge to prioritise sustainable energy sources, Minister of Transport and Energy Flemming Hansen said on Monday that due to 'significant levels of overcapacity', there were no plans to make use of more sustainable energy.”
“Hansen said offshore wind turbines and bio-energy used to power district heating systems were currently unneeded. ‘For me, it is quite clear that there is no need for increased subsidies or to give permits for creating more offshore wind turbines or similar projects right now,' said Hansen.”
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In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
Barbara,
Moses is using the sledge-hammer approach. The wind industry is relentless in spreading the myth that Denmark gets 20% of its power from turbines. It’s just not true. Everyone should see this report by the UK’s Renewable Energy Foundation-
REDUCTION IN CARBON DIOXIDE EMISSIONS: ESTIMATING THE POTENTIAL CONTRIBUTION FROM WIND-POWER
“..in Europe ample experience has been gained to show wind generated power to be variable, unpredictable, and uncontrollable. The European experience shows conclusively that the annual production is routinely disappointing… Denmark’s wind density is striking- 0.88 kW of wind-power per head of pop., the highest level of any country in the world and it is credited with supplying 20% of the country’s electricity. The fact is that this is a speciously impressive half-truth, and results from an arithmetical calculation… It is not an accurate representation of daily operation…”
Moses, in 2003 ONLY 3.1% of the electricity consumed in Denmark came from wind turbines.
Moses is using the sledge-hammer approach. The wind industry is relentless in spreading the myth that Denmark gets 20% of its power from turbines. It’s just not true. Everyone should see this report by the UK’s Renewable Energy Foundation-
REDUCTION IN CARBON DIOXIDE EMISSIONS: ESTIMATING THE POTENTIAL CONTRIBUTION FROM WIND-POWER
“..in Europe ample experience has been gained to show wind generated power to be variable, unpredictable, and uncontrollable. The European experience shows conclusively that the annual production is routinely disappointing… Denmark’s wind density is striking- 0.88 kW of wind-power per head of pop., the highest level of any country in the world and it is credited with supplying 20% of the country’s electricity. The fact is that this is a speciously impressive half-truth, and results from an arithmetical calculation… It is not an accurate representation of daily operation…”
Moses, in 2003 ONLY 3.1% of the electricity consumed in Denmark came from wind turbines.
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In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
Moses, search on-line for- “Wind Puffery; Wind Salesmen’s Talking Points and the Facts that Refute Them.”
“Claim: Wind power will help ease the coming energy shortage.”
“Facts: As shown in U.S. Energy Information Agency’s Annual Energy Outlook 2007, wind turbine technology offers virtually no possibility of supplying a significant share of US energy requirements for the foreseeable future. EIA estimates that, by 2030 wind will supply only 4/10 of 1% of US energy consumption and 89/100 of 1% of US electric generation…”
“Claim: Wind power will help ease the coming energy shortage.”
“Facts: As shown in U.S. Energy Information Agency’s Annual Energy Outlook 2007, wind turbine technology offers virtually no possibility of supplying a significant share of US energy requirements for the foreseeable future. EIA estimates that, by 2030 wind will supply only 4/10 of 1% of US energy consumption and 89/100 of 1% of US electric generation…”
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In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
In response to: Vineyard Gazette is first with review of "Cape Wind"
Chuck, you say above-
“I wonder how the hypocrisy of the Alliance crowd will play after Delaware and Rhode Island move ahead with windfarms the size of Cape Wind. Especially when three-quarters of the Rhode Island offshore sites are within state waters, i.e. within three miles of the RI coast. All that according to Governor Carcieri who wants 15% of RI power from wind in five years.”
You should really try to sit down with Gov. Carcieri very soon Chuck, and pass along the following bit of information to him. It comes direct from a Clean Power Now publication. I believe you wrote it.
“Although offshore wind power is attractive, there are some key technological and economic limitations that make Horseshoe Shoal the only feasible area.”
Or would you now admit this statement from CPN was always inaccurate?
“I wonder how the hypocrisy of the Alliance crowd will play after Delaware and Rhode Island move ahead with windfarms the size of Cape Wind. Especially when three-quarters of the Rhode Island offshore sites are within state waters, i.e. within three miles of the RI coast. All that according to Governor Carcieri who wants 15% of RI power from wind in five years.”
You should really try to sit down with Gov. Carcieri very soon Chuck, and pass along the following bit of information to him. It comes direct from a Clean Power Now publication. I believe you wrote it.
“Although offshore wind power is attractive, there are some key technological and economic limitations that make Horseshoe Shoal the only feasible area.”
Or would you now admit this statement from CPN was always inaccurate?
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Sammy, From the newsroom, Ringo;
Try to stay on topic or you might have to delete yourselves. What about those oil spills from wind turbines? That causes harm to the environment doesn’t it?
Do a Google blog search for “Global warming a lame excuse for turbines.”
You can read more about the downside to wind power projects.
“…The community will be divided and the arguments will be acrimonious.”
[“Do you make an effort to be obnoxious, or is it a gift?” Memorable quote from ‘In the Line of Fire’, 1993]
Try to stay on topic or you might have to delete yourselves. What about those oil spills from wind turbines? That causes harm to the environment doesn’t it?
Do a Google blog search for “Global warming a lame excuse for turbines.”
You can read more about the downside to wind power projects.
“…The community will be divided and the arguments will be acrimonious.”
[“Do you make an effort to be obnoxious, or is it a gift?” Memorable quote from ‘In the Line of Fire’, 1993]
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Moses, tankers are not the only source of oil spills. Search Google images for- "Wind Turbine Leaking Oil Profusely”, and then check out “Summary of Wind Turbine Accident data to Nov. 1st 2006.” Here are samples-
“Significant contamination of the site and surrounding ground from leaking oil. Transmission oil leak down the tower and also out across the blades - thrown over a wide area. Leak reported to be 160m from the tower - without taking the scattered oil from the blades into account.” “Leak of hydraulic oil into the surrounding ground. Had to be cleaned up by a specialist firm.” “Turbine constructed in December 2002 and leaking oil into the surrounding land. Attempts to capture the oil with granules failed. Quantity of oil not known. Local newspaper reported the leak which had been ongoing for over 1 month when discovered.” “Turbine destroyed by storm spilled oil over a wide area. This is in a protected area for drinking water supply.” “Turbine 55m high caught fire after work to investigate an oil leak.”
“Significant contamination of the site and surrounding ground from leaking oil. Transmission oil leak down the tower and also out across the blades - thrown over a wide area. Leak reported to be 160m from the tower - without taking the scattered oil from the blades into account.” “Leak of hydraulic oil into the surrounding ground. Had to be cleaned up by a specialist firm.” “Turbine constructed in December 2002 and leaking oil into the surrounding land. Attempts to capture the oil with granules failed. Quantity of oil not known. Local newspaper reported the leak which had been ongoing for over 1 month when discovered.” “Turbine destroyed by storm spilled oil over a wide area. This is in a protected area for drinking water supply.” “Turbine 55m high caught fire after work to investigate an oil leak.”
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Of course I had Moses earlier point about shipping being a “friendly and efficient means of transportation” in mind. I think it is very efficient overall- again thanks to fossil fuel. You just can't run a shipping company today on the whims of weather.
What's your point now about shirts, shoes, etc...?
What's your point now about shirts, shoes, etc...?
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
All thanks to reliable fossil fuel power. Think how much the picture improved once the industry gave up on wind and sails.
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Wasn't it Cape Wind that paid $20,000,000 for reports it hopes will lead to a private-for-profit industrial complex in the center of Nantucket Sound... that Cape Wind will own and run?
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In response to: WHOI scientist discovers climate "Twilight Zone"
In response to: WHOI scientist discovers climate "Twilight Zone"
"Relax, The Planet is Fine"
"Money is partly to blame for global warming hysteria, MIT Prof. says"
L. Frum, National Post 4/21/0707
"Prof. Lindzen has developed a reputation as America's anti-doom-and gloom scientist. And he's not, he says, as lonely as you might think…"
Q. Are you suggesting that scientists manipulate their findings to get in on the gravy train?
A. In the scientific community, your interest is for your field to be recognized so that it will have priority in government funding.
Q. So you are not accusing your scientific colleagues of corruption?
A. No, I'm accusing them of behaving the way scientists always behave… some years ago, when R. Nixon declared war on cancer, almost all the biological sciences [went into] cancer research. I don't call that corruption, I'm saying you orient your research so that it has a better chance to get resources.
Q. And it helps if your findings suggest something catastrophic is about to happen?
A. In this case it certainly has helped...
"Money is partly to blame for global warming hysteria, MIT Prof. says"
L. Frum, National Post 4/21/0707
"Prof. Lindzen has developed a reputation as America's anti-doom-and gloom scientist. And he's not, he says, as lonely as you might think…"
Q. Are you suggesting that scientists manipulate their findings to get in on the gravy train?
A. In the scientific community, your interest is for your field to be recognized so that it will have priority in government funding.
Q. So you are not accusing your scientific colleagues of corruption?
A. No, I'm accusing them of behaving the way scientists always behave… some years ago, when R. Nixon declared war on cancer, almost all the biological sciences [went into] cancer research. I don't call that corruption, I'm saying you orient your research so that it has a better chance to get resources.
Q. And it helps if your findings suggest something catastrophic is about to happen?
A. In this case it certainly has helped...
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
More about money-
“Proposed Mass. Wind Farm Generates Intense Criticism"
By: Frank Conte
Budget & Tax News, Heartland Institute, Sept 1, 2006
“…the [Beacon Hill] institute found the developer, Cape Wind Associates, would receive a 25 percent return on equity, 2.5 times the historical average for all corporations, due entirely to the subsidies. David G. Tuerck, executive director noted, "What we found was quite remarkable. Cape Wind stands to receive subsidies worth $731 million, or 77 percent of the cost of installing the project and 48 percent of the revenues it would generate. The policy question that this amount of subsidy raises is whether the project's benefit is worth the huge public subsidies that the developer gets.”
“Proposed Mass. Wind Farm Generates Intense Criticism"
By: Frank Conte
Budget & Tax News, Heartland Institute, Sept 1, 2006
“…the [Beacon Hill] institute found the developer, Cape Wind Associates, would receive a 25 percent return on equity, 2.5 times the historical average for all corporations, due entirely to the subsidies. David G. Tuerck, executive director noted, "What we found was quite remarkable. Cape Wind stands to receive subsidies worth $731 million, or 77 percent of the cost of installing the project and 48 percent of the revenues it would generate. The policy question that this amount of subsidy raises is whether the project's benefit is worth the huge public subsidies that the developer gets.”
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Paraphrasing directly from your quote of 9:49 am-
Moses, - I disagree. Your posts are off topic along with a lot of your arguments.
Moses, - I disagree. Your posts are off topic along with a lot of your arguments.
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Oil spills effect the environment, and so do wind turbines- negatively in my opinion. More wind = less oil shipments? Highly unlikely, or by such a small number we would never notice. Do you know what the percentage of oil used for transportation is estimated to be? Do you think it is logical to think that figure and future shipments will head downwards by a significant amount, if ever?
I saw a story just a day or so ago- oil experts were surprised to see demand went up, not down, following the recent price hike.
I saw a story just a day or so ago- oil experts were surprised to see demand went up, not down, following the recent price hike.
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Moses, I have never dismissed oil spills as insignificant. I just know they don’t occur as often as some people like to believe. Your own web page reports it has been 1351 days since the last major spill.
Again I have to ask you- did you ever give the fiddler crabs in Falmouth’s Wild Harbor a thought before this blog post appeared? You have a very carefree attitude about threats to birds. Do you really care about the health and well-being of fiddler crabs?
Despite the ‘risks’, No. 2 fuel oil was needed in 1969 to heat homes and run the Canal Plant. Speaking of energy and the lack of change since then, it’s true the situation has not changed much if at all. The Canal Plant has to run on fuel oil at standard levels because there is no wind power today.
Again I have to ask you- did you ever give the fiddler crabs in Falmouth’s Wild Harbor a thought before this blog post appeared? You have a very carefree attitude about threats to birds. Do you really care about the health and well-being of fiddler crabs?
Despite the ‘risks’, No. 2 fuel oil was needed in 1969 to heat homes and run the Canal Plant. Speaking of energy and the lack of change since then, it’s true the situation has not changed much if at all. The Canal Plant has to run on fuel oil at standard levels because there is no wind power today.
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
It’s really funny to read above where the Huge Manatee states, “…there is no analogy between bunker oil and illegal drugs”, and then see Chuck write about “…the oil we are addicted to.”
But, my analogy was not about oil and drugs.
But, my analogy was not about oil and drugs.
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Moses,
You should have put your comments of 7:30, 7:31 and 7:33 in quotation marks and told us everything came direct from the web pages of the American Wind Energy Association, and the Union of Concerned Scientists.
If you are not careful with those details people will be able to accuse you of plagiarizing.
You should have put your comments of 7:30, 7:31 and 7:33 in quotation marks and told us everything came direct from the web pages of the American Wind Energy Association, and the Union of Concerned Scientists.
If you are not careful with those details people will be able to accuse you of plagiarizing.
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
"America is no more addicted to oil than it is addicted to bread, to milk, to paper, to water, to computers or, in the immortal words of the late Robert Palmer, to love."
"Addicted to What?" by James K. Glassman, Feb. 2, 2006
"Addicted to What?" by James K. Glassman, Feb. 2, 2006
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
“Wind Energy’s Hidden Costs”
Copenhagen Post, Feb. 1, 2007
“…Uncertainty over whether the wind will blow means Energinet.dk, the organisation responsible for ensuring that the country can meet its electricity demand, has to keep a reserve of conventionally produced electricity. That cost is typically passed on to consumers in the form of higher electric bills.”
“Maintaining that safety net results in a near constant overproduction of electricity, reducing wind power’s share of the total amount used to power Danish homes and factories to 8.3 percent. The unneeded electricity is exported, at a lower price than that paid to windmill owners”
Copenhagen Post, Feb. 1, 2007
“…Uncertainty over whether the wind will blow means Energinet.dk, the organisation responsible for ensuring that the country can meet its electricity demand, has to keep a reserve of conventionally produced electricity. That cost is typically passed on to consumers in the form of higher electric bills.”
“Maintaining that safety net results in a near constant overproduction of electricity, reducing wind power’s share of the total amount used to power Danish homes and factories to 8.3 percent. The unneeded electricity is exported, at a lower price than that paid to windmill owners”
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Moses, look for, “It’s Free, Plentiful and Fickle.“ New York Times. 12/28/06
“...Colorado planners calculate that if wind reaches 20 percent of total generating capacity, the cost of standby generators will reach $8 a megawatt-hour of wind. That is on top of a generating cost of $50 or $60 a megawatt-hour, after including a federal tax credit of $18 a megawatt-hour.”
“By contrast, electricity from a new coal plant currently costs in the range of $33 to $41 a megawatt-hour, according to experts. That price, however, would rise if the carbon dioxide produced in burning coal were taxed, a distinct possibility over the life of a new coal plant. (A megawatt-hour is the amount of power that a large hospital or a Super Wal-Mart would use in an hour.)”
“Without major advances in ways to store large quantities of electricity or big changes in the way regional power grids are organized, wind may run up against its practical limits sooner than expected.”
“...Colorado planners calculate that if wind reaches 20 percent of total generating capacity, the cost of standby generators will reach $8 a megawatt-hour of wind. That is on top of a generating cost of $50 or $60 a megawatt-hour, after including a federal tax credit of $18 a megawatt-hour.”
“By contrast, electricity from a new coal plant currently costs in the range of $33 to $41 a megawatt-hour, according to experts. That price, however, would rise if the carbon dioxide produced in burning coal were taxed, a distinct possibility over the life of a new coal plant. (A megawatt-hour is the amount of power that a large hospital or a Super Wal-Mart would use in an hour.)”
“Without major advances in ways to store large quantities of electricity or big changes in the way regional power grids are organized, wind may run up against its practical limits sooner than expected.”
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
But Charles, the oil and coal plants are never shut down either. Imagine having to run your car engine at low idle for 24 hours, everyday of the year. Would that be a practical thing to do?
[Even the American Wind Energy Association acknowledges that wind power cannot be "dispatched" on demand.]
[Even the American Wind Energy Association acknowledges that wind power cannot be "dispatched" on demand.]
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
I appreciate the time you’ve put into this Jack. I am just as interested in accuracy as you are. I’m not questioning your report. I would like to accept your offer to let me convert the recording to an audio file. I’ll post the entire debate online one way or another. If you can make it tonight to the ‘new’ debate at 4C’s, maybe you can bring the old tape. Scout’s honor- I’ll return it. If you’d like me to, I’ll bring a few blank tapes for you. Maybe a recording of tonight’s debate can go online too.
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Moses, for the past twelve hours wind power would have offset zero [0] percent of the Cape and Island's fossil fuel and nuclear power.
When did you start fretting over the fiddler crabs in Wild Harbor? Was it just yesterday by chance?
When did you start fretting over the fiddler crabs in Wild Harbor? Was it just yesterday by chance?
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In response to: Remember The Bay State
In response to: Remember The Bay State
Is it just me, or is Senator Kerry showing signs he is already leaning in a particular direction?
"Does a developer have the right to just plunk down anywhere and say, 'here, I'm doing this here' or is there some sort of siting standard?" Sen. John F. Kerry
"Does a developer have the right to just plunk down anywhere and say, 'here, I'm doing this here' or is there some sort of siting standard?" Sen. John F. Kerry
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In response to: Remember The Bay State
In response to: Remember The Bay State
From the .08 Acres Blog by Steve Owens-
“Conference Call with Sen. Kerry”
“On Thurs. I participated in a conference call with Sen. J. Kerry…”
"My question… was on Cape Wind. I have seen people on both sides of the issue try to claim lately that Kerry agrees with them, so I wanted to hear directly from him what his position was, particularly given his new book... His answer likely would disappoint both those in favor and those against. He would not comment on the merits of the project, but only said that he supports wind energy in principle. He noted that those against the project have serious concerns about the siting and he's content to just let the permitting process work, and see what the Coast Guard has to say about it. …he asked "Does a developer have the right to just plunk down anywhere and say, 'here, I'm doing this here' or is there some sort of siting standard?" He noted that he has concerns whether the proposed site is the "number one prime location" or if another spot might be more effective..."
“Conference Call with Sen. Kerry”
“On Thurs. I participated in a conference call with Sen. J. Kerry…”
"My question… was on Cape Wind. I have seen people on both sides of the issue try to claim lately that Kerry agrees with them, so I wanted to hear directly from him what his position was, particularly given his new book... His answer likely would disappoint both those in favor and those against. He would not comment on the merits of the project, but only said that he supports wind energy in principle. He noted that those against the project have serious concerns about the siting and he's content to just let the permitting process work, and see what the Coast Guard has to say about it. …he asked "Does a developer have the right to just plunk down anywhere and say, 'here, I'm doing this here' or is there some sort of siting standard?" He noted that he has concerns whether the proposed site is the "number one prime location" or if another spot might be more effective..."
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Moses, I guess you don't understand what an analogy is. I'm not boycotting shipping at all, but you are proposing to boycott oil.
Settle down there newsroom, big oil spills are not nearly as common as you'd like to think. Of course they make big news, but it’s been over 1349 days since the last major oil spill- 'Tasman Spirit,’ August 14, 2003. Source- Moses’ webpage.
Look for ‘GREEN MYTHS: ENVIRO 'FACTS' THAT AREN'T’
By Max Schulz, New York Post, April 21, 2007
“…Other myths?”
”A majority believes our chief supplier of foreign oil is Saudi Arabia. In fact, it is our friendly neighbor to the north, Canada. All told the Persian Gulf supplies just 17 percent of the oil we import, and just 11 percent of all the oil we use.”
Settle down there newsroom, big oil spills are not nearly as common as you'd like to think. Of course they make big news, but it’s been over 1349 days since the last major oil spill- 'Tasman Spirit,’ August 14, 2003. Source- Moses’ webpage.
Look for ‘GREEN MYTHS: ENVIRO 'FACTS' THAT AREN'T’
By Max Schulz, New York Post, April 21, 2007
“…Other myths?”
”A majority believes our chief supplier of foreign oil is Saudi Arabia. In fact, it is our friendly neighbor to the north, Canada. All told the Persian Gulf supplies just 17 percent of the oil we import, and just 11 percent of all the oil we use.”
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In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
In response to: Buried, Residual Oil is Still Affecting Wildlife Decades After a Spill in Falmouth
Moses, I just don’t understand you. Here you are complaining about how oil spills harm the environment. But on your web site, you provide day-to-day updates on the price of bunker oil in ports around the world as a service to the shipping industry. Isn’t that clear acknowledgement on your part that oil is a necessary and valuable commodity after all? Nothing personal, but you come across as very inconsistent.
How’s this for an analogy. Someone appears on Cape Cod Today preaching about all the harm illegal drugs do to society, ruining lives and killing people. But then that same person posts on their personal web page day-to-day street prices of hashish, pot, heroin, etc…. and also posts advice on where to get the best deals.
How’s this for an analogy. Someone appears on Cape Cod Today preaching about all the harm illegal drugs do to society, ruining lives and killing people. But then that same person posts on their personal web page day-to-day street prices of hashish, pot, heroin, etc…. and also posts advice on where to get the best deals.
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In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
fcuta14, I trust Jack too. Just the same, I would like to listen to the recorded debate start to finish.
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In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
Brian, hold on a moment. Before you can say for certain that someone [that would be either me or Capri right?] has made a 'blatant' mistake, I believe we should wait to hear back from Jack. Yesterday he wrote- "I know of at least two people who recorded the debate that night, and I'm one of them. Over the last couple of days I've listened to most of the tape, not all the way through yet..."
No doubt the best thing to do here is to ask Jack to convert his tape to an audio file and put it on-line. Maybe the other tape can go on-line too. Don't you agree that would clear this all up quickly?
The CW web page claims, "Cape Wind can help slow global warming," [!!!!] but I heard something entirely different and surprising that night.
No doubt the best thing to do here is to ask Jack to convert his tape to an audio file and put it on-line. Maybe the other tape can go on-line too. Don't you agree that would clear this all up quickly?
The CW web page claims, "Cape Wind can help slow global warming," [!!!!] but I heard something entirely different and surprising that night.
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In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
Brian- yes, even I’m surprised I missed Jack’s comment. I see he posted it at 6:54 pm on the 22nd. My comment, [the one he was replying to] was just over 22 hours old by then- and a bit stale I’d say. I posted it on the 21st at 8:42 pm. I probably last checked for a reply from Jack around 6:00 pm last night- saw nothing- and then began to put that whole thread behind me. Again, if you had not brought it up, I still might not know.
Just as Capri says above the quote can be traced back to-
“Wind Farmer's Almanac”
http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.php/windfarmers
/2006/06/23/scientific_pa
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June 29 2006 @ 9:37 am capri writes:
“Mark Rogers on CW. "I agree with Charles. Cape Wind will have no affect on Global Warming".
Isn't the truth refreshing?
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Maybe Jack can get an audio file of the full debate tape recording on-line for us. Much more to follow on this. Got to run.
Just as Capri says above the quote can be traced back to-
“Wind Farmer's Almanac”
http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.php/windfarmers
/2006/06/23/scientific_pa
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June 29 2006 @ 9:37 am capri writes:
“Mark Rogers on CW. "I agree with Charles. Cape Wind will have no affect on Global Warming".
Isn't the truth refreshing?
End Quote
Maybe Jack can get an audio file of the full debate tape recording on-line for us. Much more to follow on this. Got to run.
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In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
Fcuta14, Jack’s comment slipped through without me noticing [honest]. I was ‘away’ last night when Jack posted it, and I did not check for updates this morning. Many thanks for bringing this up- please give me a little more time to respond. Believe it or not, I don’t do this full time.
Would you answer a 'sincere and honest' question for me? What is your real name?
Would you answer a 'sincere and honest' question for me? What is your real name?
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In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
Yes, Moses, I have seen the MMA turbine, and the first Hull turbine too. They look like mutant monster whirly-gigs. Keep in mind they are public projects. Cape Wind would be a different matter entirely. I think you lose sight of the ‘private-for-profit’ issue too easily- and it’s a big one.
Look on-line for– “As Windmills Spread, Some Germans Balk at 'Asparagus Fields'" in the May 5, 2004 Christian Science Monitor.
Look on-line for– “As Windmills Spread, Some Germans Balk at 'Asparagus Fields'" in the May 5, 2004 Christian Science Monitor.
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In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
Moses, you will find that many people besides Buzz, Capri, and I feel aesthetics ARE important. Consider the following- direct from the USACE Regulatory Branch’s PDF ‘Summary of History.’
“1933- U.S. ex rel. Greathouse et al vs Dem.. The Supreme Court ruled that the Corps could refuse a permit for a commercial wharf in the Potomac River that would not harm navigation, but that would be inimical to the construction of the George Washington Memorial Parkway. Interesting words from the Corps' old Washington District on this case in a 1931 letter: "Such construction of docks and subsequent buildings would present an unattractive front and a further destruction of great natural beauty. That the Georgetown front is ugly cannot be used as a argument for creating another similar condition on the Virginia side." Aesthetics in 1931!”
“1933- U.S. ex rel. Greathouse et al vs Dem.. The Supreme Court ruled that the Corps could refuse a permit for a commercial wharf in the Potomac River that would not harm navigation, but that would be inimical to the construction of the George Washington Memorial Parkway. Interesting words from the Corps' old Washington District on this case in a 1931 letter: "Such construction of docks and subsequent buildings would present an unattractive front and a further destruction of great natural beauty. That the Georgetown front is ugly cannot be used as a argument for creating another similar condition on the Virginia side." Aesthetics in 1931!”
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In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
Buzz, I believe I have been sincere and honest. I’m convinced you are too. I agree with you- the esthetics issue is reason enough to keep Cape Wind out of Nantucket Sound, but there are many others problems.
I’m opposed to wind power in principal but at the same time I believe Nantucket Shoals, southeast of Nantucket island, could be and should be handed over to the wind power industry- no strings- no lease.
The wind blows steadier out there and aesthetics would not be an issue.
Another great place for offshore wind would be near Moses’ home in Rhode Island.
About the Alberta story- I can only squeeze in about 1050 characters per comment. I would have included the URL but that is frowned upon here. The last line says that Alberta needs up to 3,800 megawatts in the next decade. It will all have to be covered one hundred percent by conventional power.
I’m opposed to wind power in principal but at the same time I believe Nantucket Shoals, southeast of Nantucket island, could be and should be handed over to the wind power industry- no strings- no lease.
The wind blows steadier out there and aesthetics would not be an issue.
Another great place for offshore wind would be near Moses’ home in Rhode Island.
About the Alberta story- I can only squeeze in about 1050 characters per comment. I would have included the URL but that is frowned upon here. The last line says that Alberta needs up to 3,800 megawatts in the next decade. It will all have to be covered one hundred percent by conventional power.
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In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
Buzz, wind ‘farms’ may be impressive looking, but their so-called benefits are pure illusion. Even when the wind is steady and strong, base-load power plants can never shut down. We just had a period of high winds followed by a period of near flat calm. What good are wind turbines then? Look for this news story-
“Alberta Turns to Natural Gas After Wind Lessens Reliability”
Financial Post, 4/21/07
Alberta’s Enmax Corp. said yesterday it is building a huge new power station in Southern Alberta fired with natural gas, partly to help boost the provincial grid's reliability after Alberta's aggressive expansion into wind energy made it vulnerable to power disruption.
"We now have so much windpower generation that we need to fall back on reliable sources of power," said P. Hunt, Enmax spokesman.
"The problem with wind power is that the wind doesn't blow all the time, so the greater percentage of the system depends on wind, the more vulnerable to disruption the system becomes when the wind stops blowing."
“Alberta Turns to Natural Gas After Wind Lessens Reliability”
Financial Post, 4/21/07
Alberta’s Enmax Corp. said yesterday it is building a huge new power station in Southern Alberta fired with natural gas, partly to help boost the provincial grid's reliability after Alberta's aggressive expansion into wind energy made it vulnerable to power disruption.
"We now have so much windpower generation that we need to fall back on reliable sources of power," said P. Hunt, Enmax spokesman.
"The problem with wind power is that the wind doesn't blow all the time, so the greater percentage of the system depends on wind, the more vulnerable to disruption the system becomes when the wind stops blowing."
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In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
In response to: Wind power exceeds all over energy sources in Spain
Moses, look for Max Schulz's editorial,
"Green Myths: Enviro 'Facts' That Aren't", in the New York Post- 4/21/07
"Green Myths: Enviro 'Facts' That Aren't", in the New York Post- 4/21/07
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Please enlighten everyone Jack. Did you find out who was taping the debate that night? It would be interesting to listen to a copy of the recording. Maybe you can look into that for us.
I’d like to ask Carl- how do you demonstrate your total distain for fossil fuels besides ranting on and on about them here? Do you regularly take public transportation, walk or ride a bicycle? Or would that simply be too inconvenient for you? You drive your own car don’t you? And about that two year plan of yours to get off the grid- I guess it must not be a priority. Carl, you remind me of the Greenpeace anti-fossil fuel ‘activist’ who just shrugged his shoulders, smirked, and said, “What do you expect us to do?”, when I asked if he could see how ridiculous it was to ‘wage war’ on fossil fuel, and the Exxon-Mobil Corp, while he and his crew motored around in a huge diesel powered ship.
I’d like to ask Carl- how do you demonstrate your total distain for fossil fuels besides ranting on and on about them here? Do you regularly take public transportation, walk or ride a bicycle? Or would that simply be too inconvenient for you? You drive your own car don’t you? And about that two year plan of yours to get off the grid- I guess it must not be a priority. Carl, you remind me of the Greenpeace anti-fossil fuel ‘activist’ who just shrugged his shoulders, smirked, and said, “What do you expect us to do?”, when I asked if he could see how ridiculous it was to ‘wage war’ on fossil fuel, and the Exxon-Mobil Corp, while he and his crew motored around in a huge diesel powered ship.
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Carl, if those fossil fuels are so evil and kill millions, when can we expect to see you renounce fossil fuels entirely from your day-to-day life?
I suspect you have driven your own car or truck up to this point? Will you send it to the crusher to prove you are truly serious about eliminating fossil fuels?
Maybe you rely on other people for rides. If so, I hope you’ve offered to help pay for their ‘evil/killer’ gasoline. Will you now walk or bicycle everywhere you need to go?
How is your home heated? By fossil fuels maybe? Can you switch over to wood or solar heat 100% year round? Or do you heat with electricity? Can you trust wind power to always be there when you need it? I mean, that is if you can bring yourself to disconnect from the “evil” fossil fuel and nuclear powered electric grid.
Carl, I never said wind power was dangerous. You said “…there has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!” We now know how wrong- and absurd- you can be. :)
I suspect you have driven your own car or truck up to this point? Will you send it to the crusher to prove you are truly serious about eliminating fossil fuels?
Maybe you rely on other people for rides. If so, I hope you’ve offered to help pay for their ‘evil/killer’ gasoline. Will you now walk or bicycle everywhere you need to go?
How is your home heated? By fossil fuels maybe? Can you switch over to wood or solar heat 100% year round? Or do you heat with electricity? Can you trust wind power to always be there when you need it? I mean, that is if you can bring yourself to disconnect from the “evil” fossil fuel and nuclear powered electric grid.
Carl, I never said wind power was dangerous. You said “…there has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!” We now know how wrong- and absurd- you can be. :)
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
CCToday staffers- what happened to the "Ten Question's" story on the Tasty Politics Blog? It was on-line for most of the day and now it is gone- comments and all. A very interesting debate was just getting underway.
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Carl, please show us where I have brought “false information” to this debate.
On the other hand, remember when you made this incredibly bold claim on 02/26/07?
“There has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!”
Paul Gipe’s “Summary of Fatal Accidents in Wind Energy” proves how completely wrong you are. If you had looked before you leaped you could have also found the Caithness Windfarm Information Forum’s “Summary of Wind Turbine Accident data to November 1st 2006”, where it says;
“The wind industry is extremely reluctant to make such data available.”
No wonder.
Carl, I have to say it’s very comical to see you talk about “truth” and the importance of bringing “…better facts to the table.”
On the other hand, remember when you made this incredibly bold claim on 02/26/07?
“There has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!”
Paul Gipe’s “Summary of Fatal Accidents in Wind Energy” proves how completely wrong you are. If you had looked before you leaped you could have also found the Caithness Windfarm Information Forum’s “Summary of Wind Turbine Accident data to November 1st 2006”, where it says;
“The wind industry is extremely reluctant to make such data available.”
No wonder.
Carl, I have to say it’s very comical to see you talk about “truth” and the importance of bringing “…better facts to the table.”
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In response to: Another Breakthrough on Outer Beach; Ross Gelbspan here to talk;
In response to: Another Breakthrough on Outer Beach; Ross Gelbspan here to talk;
But Ross Gelbspan did NOT win the Pulitzer Prize as stated above.
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In response to: Another Breakthrough on Outer Beach; Ross Gelbspan here to talk;
In response to: Another Breakthrough on Outer Beach; Ross Gelbspan here to talk;
PULITZER PRIZE BOARD NIXES CLAIM BY CONTROVERSIAL AUTHOR
Former Boston Globe Editor Ross Gelbspan "Not Entitled" to Call Himself Pulitzer-Winning Journalist
FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA, AUGUST 11, 1997-- “The Pulitzer Prize Board has issued a definitive ruling in the controversy surrounding retired Boston Globe editor Ross Gelbspan, author of the recently released book The Heat Is On, and his claim to being a "Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist." In a letter to The Science & Environmental Policy Project dated July 31, Seymour Topping of Columbia University, Administrator of the Pulitzer Prizes, confirms that Gelbspan-- who had served as one of two editors on a Pulitzer-winning series written by seven Globe reporters--is not entitled to call himself a Pulitzer Prize journalist on the basis of that role. The Board's move was seen as effectively preventing editors from laying public claim to Pulitzers won by the reporters they supervise…”
Former Boston Globe Editor Ross Gelbspan "Not Entitled" to Call Himself Pulitzer-Winning Journalist
FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA, AUGUST 11, 1997-- “The Pulitzer Prize Board has issued a definitive ruling in the controversy surrounding retired Boston Globe editor Ross Gelbspan, author of the recently released book The Heat Is On, and his claim to being a "Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist." In a letter to The Science & Environmental Policy Project dated July 31, Seymour Topping of Columbia University, Administrator of the Pulitzer Prizes, confirms that Gelbspan-- who had served as one of two editors on a Pulitzer-winning series written by seven Globe reporters--is not entitled to call himself a Pulitzer Prize journalist on the basis of that role. The Board's move was seen as effectively preventing editors from laying public claim to Pulitzers won by the reporters they supervise…”
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Carl, anyone with a spare $25 can join the Union of Concerned Scientists. No other qualifications are necessary. To find out more about the UCS google
“Journalists' Green Hysteria, originally titled: ‘Journalist' Peddles Green Lies About the Planet's Future”
I see you still have to resort to personal attacks. Look for-
“Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide”
By Dr. Timothy Ball, Canadian Free Press, 2/5/07
“Personal attacks are difficult and shouldn't occur in a debate in a civilized society. I can only consider them from what they imply. They usually indicate a person or group is losing the debate”
“Journalists' Green Hysteria, originally titled: ‘Journalist' Peddles Green Lies About the Planet's Future”
I see you still have to resort to personal attacks. Look for-
“Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide”
By Dr. Timothy Ball, Canadian Free Press, 2/5/07
“Personal attacks are difficult and shouldn't occur in a debate in a civilized society. I can only consider them from what they imply. They usually indicate a person or group is losing the debate”
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In response to: Govenor held forum last night despite the storm
In response to: Govenor held forum last night despite the storm
I wish you could have been there last night Capri. Cliff Carroll did much more than just ask to have the language changed on D. Patrick's web page as claimed above. When Cliff requested that Deval meet with those local officials, the Gov. acted as if he could not hear, or he was just not interested.
So much for Deval’s earlier call for people to stay involved in government ‘every day’. DP should follow his own advice and stay involved.
So much for Deval’s earlier call for people to stay involved in government ‘every day’. DP should follow his own advice and stay involved.
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Are you saying you would prefer to have people like Hitler and Saddam remain in power?
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Carl, getting back to your popular- but unproven- story about CO2. Please tell me where I can see these ‘shreds ripped by “peer reviewed science”?
In the meantime, look on-line for-
STATEMENT TO THE COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOV. REFORM, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, From Roy W. Spencer, Earth System Science Center, Uni. of Alabama, Huntsville. 3/19/07
3.2 Attribution of Current Warmth to Mankind:
“…Some have found it effective to use the close relationship between ice core-inferred temperatures and carbon dioxide variations to imply that we will see similar relationships from anthropogenic CO2 emissions. But this interpretation of ice core data is, at best, controversial. If indeed these measurements are what they are claimed to be (estimates of global temperature and carbon dioxide concentrations), then virtually ALL of the evidence points to the temperature changes LEADING the carbon dioxide changes – NOT the other way around…”
[emp. added]
In the meantime, look on-line for-
STATEMENT TO THE COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOV. REFORM, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, From Roy W. Spencer, Earth System Science Center, Uni. of Alabama, Huntsville. 3/19/07
3.2 Attribution of Current Warmth to Mankind:
“…Some have found it effective to use the close relationship between ice core-inferred temperatures and carbon dioxide variations to imply that we will see similar relationships from anthropogenic CO2 emissions. But this interpretation of ice core data is, at best, controversial. If indeed these measurements are what they are claimed to be (estimates of global temperature and carbon dioxide concentrations), then virtually ALL of the evidence points to the temperature changes LEADING the carbon dioxide changes – NOT the other way around…”
[emp. added]
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Jack, there's a good chance Carl has the phone number in his intergalactic rolodex. I know he has a cape and mask in his wardrobe.
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Sorry Carl but I don’t subscribe to all the ‘Hate America First’ nonsense. Just below is an interesting factoid just for you. From where I stand, it counters ALL the garbage about the USA using a disproportionate amount of the world’s resources.
The info comes from- get this- the English edition of the China Daily.
“…The US for decades has been the planet's "food reserve," the top exporter of wheat, corn and soybeans and the largest single provider of food aid to other nations.”
Have you heard this before Carl? Does it carry any weight with you?
More on Carbon Dioxide, that air-borne plant food, to follow soon.
The info comes from- get this- the English edition of the China Daily.
“…The US for decades has been the planet's "food reserve," the top exporter of wheat, corn and soybeans and the largest single provider of food aid to other nations.”
Have you heard this before Carl? Does it carry any weight with you?
More on Carbon Dioxide, that air-borne plant food, to follow soon.
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Half of all life extinct in 93 years? Look for “The Might's, May's and Could's Of Global Warming”
“The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service is proposing to declare the polar bear to be threatened with extinction- a process that is supposed to be based on the “best available science”…[but] the Service is having trouble finding definitive, clear science…”
An official comment submitted by a certain Julie Smithson lists the use of nebulous, unprovable words in the listing, example-
"might" appears on 11 pages.
"may" appears 48 times.
”may be difficult to measure” appears 70+ times.
"possibly" 19 times.
"potential" 46 times"
“potentially" 6 times.
“could" over 50 times.
“If the Fish & Wildlife Service can't make a case for the polar bear, which supposedly has been placed at risk by one of the less controversial claims of the Warmies, what of all the other claims… posing under the guise of science?”
“The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service is proposing to declare the polar bear to be threatened with extinction- a process that is supposed to be based on the “best available science”…[but] the Service is having trouble finding definitive, clear science…”
An official comment submitted by a certain Julie Smithson lists the use of nebulous, unprovable words in the listing, example-
"might" appears on 11 pages.
"may" appears 48 times.
”may be difficult to measure” appears 70+ times.
"possibly" 19 times.
"potential" 46 times"
“potentially" 6 times.
“could" over 50 times.
“If the Fish & Wildlife Service can't make a case for the polar bear, which supposedly has been placed at risk by one of the less controversial claims of the Warmies, what of all the other claims… posing under the guise of science?”
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Carl, google “Who Killed the Electric Car TCS”
“Electric cars have been pronounced dead many times… Auto history is littered with their names: Morris & Salom Electrobat, American Electric, Bushberry Electric Dog Cart, Krieger, Woods, Baker, Detroit, Columbia, Riker, Foster, Rauch & Lang, Flanders, Studebaker, Waverly, Van Wagoner, to name a few.”
“They have succeeded as purpose-built vehicles- fork lifts, golf carts, "city cars," airport shuttles and the like. But they have never become the car for the open road, the let's-drive-over-to-the-shore-for-the-weekend car. Why?
“Let's go over this one more time, class: Range. Range is the problem. Electric cars do not have sufficient range to be the practical, versatile, every day car most people want…”
“People who go around grousing and moaning about who killed the electric car are people with a schooled ignorance about markets and the realities of physics- and an intellectual arrogance- not only about what you and I should drive, but about how we should live.”
“Electric cars have been pronounced dead many times… Auto history is littered with their names: Morris & Salom Electrobat, American Electric, Bushberry Electric Dog Cart, Krieger, Woods, Baker, Detroit, Columbia, Riker, Foster, Rauch & Lang, Flanders, Studebaker, Waverly, Van Wagoner, to name a few.”
“They have succeeded as purpose-built vehicles- fork lifts, golf carts, "city cars," airport shuttles and the like. But they have never become the car for the open road, the let's-drive-over-to-the-shore-for-the-weekend car. Why?
“Let's go over this one more time, class: Range. Range is the problem. Electric cars do not have sufficient range to be the practical, versatile, every day car most people want…”
“People who go around grousing and moaning about who killed the electric car are people with a schooled ignorance about markets and the realities of physics- and an intellectual arrogance- not only about what you and I should drive, but about how we should live.”
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Carl, it is sad to see you put so much energy into personal attacks. You are only harming yourself, and your cause.
I have to confess I was thinking of you earlier tonight- in a nice way of course- when I saw this online editorial from New York’s Newsday newspaper. It brings to mind your rendition of “Blowing in the Wind" at the 2004 Cambridge MIT hearing.
Opinion, April 8, 2007
“THE ANSWER, MY FRIEND, IS NOT BLOWIN' IN THE WIND”
“Harnessing the wind to generate electricity is a laudable goal, but rising costs will make LIPA's off-shore project unaffordable”
“The winds have shifted.”
“The Long Island Power Authority's proposal to build a grid of industrial-strength wind generators a few miles into the ocean off Jones Beach is adrift. It's too expensive, and it should remain at sea…”
I have to confess I was thinking of you earlier tonight- in a nice way of course- when I saw this online editorial from New York’s Newsday newspaper. It brings to mind your rendition of “Blowing in the Wind" at the 2004 Cambridge MIT hearing.
Opinion, April 8, 2007
“THE ANSWER, MY FRIEND, IS NOT BLOWIN' IN THE WIND”
“Harnessing the wind to generate electricity is a laudable goal, but rising costs will make LIPA's off-shore project unaffordable”
“The winds have shifted.”
“The Long Island Power Authority's proposal to build a grid of industrial-strength wind generators a few miles into the ocean off Jones Beach is adrift. It's too expensive, and it should remain at sea…”
neil good [Member]
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Chuck, you are merely repeating one of the great myths about wind power. You ignore the fact that even when the wind IS howling, the base load plants are still spinning.
The German 2005 E.ON Netz Wind Report includes this inconvenient fact-
“Wind energy is only able to replace traditional power stations to a limited extent. Their dependence on the prevailing wind conditions means that wind power has a limited load factor even when technically available. It is not possible to guarantee its use for the continual cover of electricity consumption. Consequently, traditional power stations with capacities equal to 90% of the installed wind power capacity [a little over the maximum historical wind power infeed] must be permanently online in order to guarantee power supply at all times.”
The German 2005 E.ON Netz Wind Report includes this inconvenient fact-
“Wind energy is only able to replace traditional power stations to a limited extent. Their dependence on the prevailing wind conditions means that wind power has a limited load factor even when technically available. It is not possible to guarantee its use for the continual cover of electricity consumption. Consequently, traditional power stations with capacities equal to 90% of the installed wind power capacity [a little over the maximum historical wind power infeed] must be permanently online in order to guarantee power supply at all times.”
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Chuck, we all know, or should know, that commercial fishing is highly regulated. Hydraulic dredging can be banned, and has been banned.
The Provincetown Center for Coastal Studies reports- “Hydraulic pumping for sea clams was once outlawed in Cape Cod Bay. Over the past decade, however, it has been re-implemented in an attempt to increase the harvesting of these clams.”
The Town of Harwich rules are on line-
1) “Taking of legal sized quahogs by means of hydraulic shellfish dredging…is permitted in the deep water of Nantucket Sound south of the 12’ contour line, east of the Nantucket Cable... Catch limits may be subject to change according to the Massachusetts Division of Marine Fisheries.”
For more ‘perspective and balance’ as you say above, wind speeds on Nantucket Sound are under six knots and Cape Wind reports it would be producing ‘Zero megawatts’- again.
Allow me to rephrase your question slightly-
If there is no wind power then what?
The Provincetown Center for Coastal Studies reports- “Hydraulic pumping for sea clams was once outlawed in Cape Cod Bay. Over the past decade, however, it has been re-implemented in an attempt to increase the harvesting of these clams.”
The Town of Harwich rules are on line-
1) “Taking of legal sized quahogs by means of hydraulic shellfish dredging…is permitted in the deep water of Nantucket Sound south of the 12’ contour line, east of the Nantucket Cable... Catch limits may be subject to change according to the Massachusetts Division of Marine Fisheries.”
For more ‘perspective and balance’ as you say above, wind speeds on Nantucket Sound are under six knots and Cape Wind reports it would be producing ‘Zero megawatts’- again.
Allow me to rephrase your question slightly-
If there is no wind power then what?
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Carl, google the ‘Greenie Watch Blog’ and the ‘Global Warming Hysteria’ webpage. Spend some time reading- think of it as “continuing education.”
The following is highly recommended. Look for the link on the Global Warming Hysteria articles page-
“The Economic and Politics of Climate Change: A Call To Reason” (Nov. 1, 2006) An address given by former Lord Chancellor Lord Nigel Lawson to the Centre for Policy Studies in London. Without doubt one of the best articulated and - as it claims - reasoned cases dealing with the science, the economics, the arrogance of a science community that is really just guessing, the disturbing attack on free speech and, once more, environmentalism as a religious movement. If you do not read anything else, read this article. It is only 18 pages long.”
The following is highly recommended. Look for the link on the Global Warming Hysteria articles page-
“The Economic and Politics of Climate Change: A Call To Reason” (Nov. 1, 2006) An address given by former Lord Chancellor Lord Nigel Lawson to the Centre for Policy Studies in London. Without doubt one of the best articulated and - as it claims - reasoned cases dealing with the science, the economics, the arrogance of a science community that is really just guessing, the disturbing attack on free speech and, once more, environmentalism as a religious movement. If you do not read anything else, read this article. It is only 18 pages long.”
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Bittersweet says, “Something has to be done...we can't keep going on as we are. The planet is dying!”
All this talk of ‘doom and gloom,’ and how the end is near, brings to mind the legend of Superman. Here is a small part of the Wikipedia article on Jor-El- [Superman’s father].
“When Krypton began experiencing a series of earthquakes, Jor-El investigated, and soon discovered that Krypton's core was greatly unstable, and would eventually explode, taking the entire planet and its populace with it. Jor-El tried to convince the members of Krypton's ruling body, the Science Council, of this impending disaster, and urged re-establishing Krypton's space program so giant spacecraft could be built to carry the populace to another habitable world. However, the Council was dismissive of Jor-El's findings, and refused to comply with his plan.”
Untied Nations = The Science Council?
If you really believe the planet is dying read The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjørn Lomborg.
All this talk of ‘doom and gloom,’ and how the end is near, brings to mind the legend of Superman. Here is a small part of the Wikipedia article on Jor-El- [Superman’s father].
“When Krypton began experiencing a series of earthquakes, Jor-El investigated, and soon discovered that Krypton's core was greatly unstable, and would eventually explode, taking the entire planet and its populace with it. Jor-El tried to convince the members of Krypton's ruling body, the Science Council, of this impending disaster, and urged re-establishing Krypton's space program so giant spacecraft could be built to carry the populace to another habitable world. However, the Council was dismissive of Jor-El's findings, and refused to comply with his plan.”
Untied Nations = The Science Council?
If you really believe the planet is dying read The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjørn Lomborg.
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
I must say Ringo- you do provide loads of entertainment.
At 1:32 pm you wrote- “(Dona, Durkin & Good) have no "facts", only the BIG LIE repeated over and over again. CW is blessed to have such idiotic and phony opponents.”
Please shed more light on what you believe to be the ‘BIG LIE.’
Don’t you agree the biggest phonies on Cape Cod Today are the people who hide behind fake names?
At 1:32 pm you wrote- “(Dona, Durkin & Good) have no "facts", only the BIG LIE repeated over and over again. CW is blessed to have such idiotic and phony opponents.”
Please shed more light on what you believe to be the ‘BIG LIE.’
Don’t you agree the biggest phonies on Cape Cod Today are the people who hide behind fake names?
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Here is another issue you might like to take on Moses. Cape Wind makes this bold claim in bold text, on their web page;
“Cape Wind can help slow global warming.”
Yet last June during the movie theater debate in Dennis, Mark Rogers said, "I agree with Charles [Vinick], Cape Wind will have no affect on global warming".
So what/who should the public believe? - the web page statement, or CW’s Communications Director?
I believe Mark Rodgers. The CW web page statement comes across as pure propaganda, targeted towards simpletons.
“Cape Wind can help slow global warming.”
Yet last June during the movie theater debate in Dennis, Mark Rogers said, "I agree with Charles [Vinick], Cape Wind will have no affect on global warming".
So what/who should the public believe? - the web page statement, or CW’s Communications Director?
I believe Mark Rodgers. The CW web page statement comes across as pure propaganda, targeted towards simpletons.
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Cape Wind is not necessary
[Jack, I'd buy your book. WW's, never]
[Jack, I'd buy your book. WW's, never]
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
But Moses, the cable to Nantucket is 'required', and Cape Wind is not required at all.
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In response to: Lancaster murder and mitigating factors
In response to: Lancaster murder and mitigating factors
This is interesting-
“Feminists Deny Truth on Domestic Violence,” By Wendy McElroy, May 2006
“…Consider Erin Pizzey. In 1971, Pizzey opened the first battered wives shelter in England, which she ran until 1982…. Today, the shelter Pizzey founded denies her entry; her name does not appear in its official history… Pizzey's 'mistake' was to diverge from the theory of domestic violence that feminists at the time insisted dominate all discussion. She believed that men could also be the victims of domestic violence, and that women could be as violent toward their partners as men."
Ms. McElroy also wrote ‘Battered Husbands’
“Men as well as women are victims of domestic abuse but discussing that fact is a taboo in our society...”
"A classic study published in 1980 by sociologists Straus, Richard Gelles, and Suzanne Steinmetz show that women direct as much violence at men as vice versa, although men usually receive less injury… But society's response to male victims is dramatically different than it is to female ones."
“Feminists Deny Truth on Domestic Violence,” By Wendy McElroy, May 2006
“…Consider Erin Pizzey. In 1971, Pizzey opened the first battered wives shelter in England, which she ran until 1982…. Today, the shelter Pizzey founded denies her entry; her name does not appear in its official history… Pizzey's 'mistake' was to diverge from the theory of domestic violence that feminists at the time insisted dominate all discussion. She believed that men could also be the victims of domestic violence, and that women could be as violent toward their partners as men."
Ms. McElroy also wrote ‘Battered Husbands’
“Men as well as women are victims of domestic abuse but discussing that fact is a taboo in our society...”
"A classic study published in 1980 by sociologists Straus, Richard Gelles, and Suzanne Steinmetz show that women direct as much violence at men as vice versa, although men usually receive less injury… But society's response to male victims is dramatically different than it is to female ones."
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In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
In response to: Valid criticism - from the opposition
Jack, you do deserve credit for giving this your attention, and doing it in an evenhanded way.
Cape Wind wants to locate turbine D-0 less than 4000 feet- and turbine C-2 less than 2000 feet- from the shallowest part of H. Shoal, or where charts show the shoal is only about 6 inches deep at mean low water. B-2, D-1, and D-2 are in the same general vicinity. If dredging is necessary that is where it will be done.
Cape Wind might say “…not a problem, we have it all figured out.” They might even say “…dredging is not needed," but here is another issue to consider. By an odd quirk of nature the deepest part of N. Sound- 93 feet deep- is just about 4000 feet from this “shallowest” spot on the shoal, and not much farther from the nearest turbine- B-2. Picture an extreme drop-off, or underwater cliff, at the edge of the shoal in that area.
Would it be a good idea to hammer 18-foot dia. steel monopoles, 80 feet deep or more, into the bottom so near the deepest part of N. Sound- and so near the shallowest part? I don't think so.
Cape Wind wants to locate turbine D-0 less than 4000 feet- and turbine C-2 less than 2000 feet- from the shallowest part of H. Shoal, or where charts show the shoal is only about 6 inches deep at mean low water. B-2, D-1, and D-2 are in the same general vicinity. If dredging is necessary that is where it will be done.
Cape Wind might say “…not a problem, we have it all figured out.” They might even say “…dredging is not needed," but here is another issue to consider. By an odd quirk of nature the deepest part of N. Sound- 93 feet deep- is just about 4000 feet from this “shallowest” spot on the shoal, and not much farther from the nearest turbine- B-2. Picture an extreme drop-off, or underwater cliff, at the edge of the shoal in that area.
Would it be a good idea to hammer 18-foot dia. steel monopoles, 80 feet deep or more, into the bottom so near the deepest part of N. Sound- and so near the shallowest part? I don't think so.
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In response to: An incredible confluence of news stories
In response to: An incredible confluence of news stories
Richard, there is no need to panic or start the 'blame game.' Google this exact phrase that leads to my favorite global warming cartoon-
"Is "global warming" a lie to manipulate the masses?"
Click on the search result- ECO LIVING ECOLOGY FROM SOVEREIGNTY
Replace the letters ‘ecolividx’ in the address bar with ‘hotair’ and hit enter, or scroll down the list/page and look for the link just after this text-
“Is "global warming" a lie to manipulate the masses? Are the British population forced to pay for foreign pollution? Are the wind-farms an elaborate corporate crony ripoff? Three articles peer under the holy cows tail”
The cartoon is at the bottom of the new page- under the heading “GLOBAL WARMING? What a Load of Poppycock!”
If you have problems finding the cartoon post a comment and I’ll try to help out.
I'm looking forward to warmer weather.
"Is "global warming" a lie to manipulate the masses?"
Click on the search result- ECO LIVING ECOLOGY FROM SOVEREIGNTY
Replace the letters ‘ecolividx’ in the address bar with ‘hotair’ and hit enter, or scroll down the list/page and look for the link just after this text-
“Is "global warming" a lie to manipulate the masses? Are the British population forced to pay for foreign pollution? Are the wind-farms an elaborate corporate crony ripoff? Three articles peer under the holy cows tail”
The cartoon is at the bottom of the new page- under the heading “GLOBAL WARMING? What a Load of Poppycock!”
If you have problems finding the cartoon post a comment and I’ll try to help out.
I'm looking forward to warmer weather.
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In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
This editorial from the 4/7/07 UK Times should go to the top of Fcuta14’s ‘to read’ list.
"A Climate of Intolerance"
“Facts, not emotion, should inform discussion of climate change… the world is in danger of being held captive by lobby groups that have distorted data, made unjustified extrapolations and attempted to stifle debate...”
“…The warnings issued by the IPCC are worst-case scenarios. The report, approved by 130 governments and endorsed by 2,500 scientists (few of whom probably had any hand in writing it), makes scary reading."
”Some dangers… are deliberate exaggerations… [and] far from proven.”
"The real danger of the zealots is that they brook no argument... even to ask what is natural is regarded as some sort of heresy..."
"The IPCC summary is inevitably a political narrative… each word will be endlessly and selectively parsed by the likes of Greenpeace and friends."
"…the environment is too important to be bequeathed to the hysterical."
"A Climate of Intolerance"
“Facts, not emotion, should inform discussion of climate change… the world is in danger of being held captive by lobby groups that have distorted data, made unjustified extrapolations and attempted to stifle debate...”
“…The warnings issued by the IPCC are worst-case scenarios. The report, approved by 130 governments and endorsed by 2,500 scientists (few of whom probably had any hand in writing it), makes scary reading."
”Some dangers… are deliberate exaggerations… [and] far from proven.”
"The real danger of the zealots is that they brook no argument... even to ask what is natural is regarded as some sort of heresy..."
"The IPCC summary is inevitably a political narrative… each word will be endlessly and selectively parsed by the likes of Greenpeace and friends."
"…the environment is too important to be bequeathed to the hysterical."
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In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
Well, Moses, you’ll have to forgive me if I tell you that I question what is being reported about the MMA turbine. Maybe I’ll find out what you say is true. If I do, I’ll be honest and report back. I can’t take your word for it. Sorry.
Even if I found the MMA turbine is a success, I’ll have no problem- because it is a public project on a small amount of public property. That’s not the case with Cape Wind’s plan to turn 25 square miles in the center of Nantucket Sound into a huge ‘for profit/private’ industrial project. Sorry again.
You will be surprised to know how many people don't want Cape Wind to be built.
Even if I found the MMA turbine is a success, I’ll have no problem- because it is a public project on a small amount of public property. That’s not the case with Cape Wind’s plan to turn 25 square miles in the center of Nantucket Sound into a huge ‘for profit/private’ industrial project. Sorry again.
You will be surprised to know how many people don't want Cape Wind to be built.
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In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
Moses,
Right now the MMA turbine is producing Zero [0] Kilowatts. Good thing the cadets do not have to rely on the wind for power.
More points to ponder-
From Michael D. Shaw
‘Wind energy is another one of those ideas that captures the media's attention and the hearts of some in the environmental movement. Yet, it is costly, inefficient, and not even able to put a dent in our long-term energy needs.… it's all nothing but hot air.”
From L. M. Schwartz
“A single 555-megawatt gas-fired power plant in California generates more electricity in a year than do all 13,000 of the state's wind turbines. The gas-fired plant sits atop a mere 15 acres. The 300-foot-tall windmills impact over a hundred thousand acres to provide expensive, intermittent, insufficient energy.”
Right now the MMA turbine is producing Zero [0] Kilowatts. Good thing the cadets do not have to rely on the wind for power.
More points to ponder-
From Michael D. Shaw
‘Wind energy is another one of those ideas that captures the media's attention and the hearts of some in the environmental movement. Yet, it is costly, inefficient, and not even able to put a dent in our long-term energy needs.… it's all nothing but hot air.”
From L. M. Schwartz
“A single 555-megawatt gas-fired power plant in California generates more electricity in a year than do all 13,000 of the state's wind turbines. The gas-fired plant sits atop a mere 15 acres. The 300-foot-tall windmills impact over a hundred thousand acres to provide expensive, intermittent, insufficient energy.”
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In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
Dr. R. Lindzen, Prof. of Meteorology at MIT had this to say about the IPCC in a 6/11/01 WSJ editorial-
“…the IPCC Summary for Policymakers, which is seen as endorsing Kyoto, is commonly presented as the consensus of thousands of the world's foremost climate scientists…. The FULL report is an admirable description of research activities in climate science…”
“The Summary is a VERY different document. It represents a consensus of government representatives (many of whom are also their nations' Kyoto representatives), rather than of scientists. The resulting document has a strong tendency to disguise uncertainty, and conjures up some scary scenarios for which there is NO EVIDENCE.”
“Science, in the public arena, is commonly used as a source of authority with which to bludgeon political opponents and propagandize uninformed citizens. This is what has been done with both the reports of the IPCC and the NAS. It is a REPREHENSIBLE practice that corrodes our ability to make RATIONAL decisions.”
[Emphasis added]
“…the IPCC Summary for Policymakers, which is seen as endorsing Kyoto, is commonly presented as the consensus of thousands of the world's foremost climate scientists…. The FULL report is an admirable description of research activities in climate science…”
“The Summary is a VERY different document. It represents a consensus of government representatives (many of whom are also their nations' Kyoto representatives), rather than of scientists. The resulting document has a strong tendency to disguise uncertainty, and conjures up some scary scenarios for which there is NO EVIDENCE.”
“Science, in the public arena, is commonly used as a source of authority with which to bludgeon political opponents and propagandize uninformed citizens. This is what has been done with both the reports of the IPCC and the NAS. It is a REPREHENSIBLE practice that corrodes our ability to make RATIONAL decisions.”
[Emphasis added]
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In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
Those dire IPCC predictions and projections are always fun to read fcuta14, but I’m looking forward to studying the full report- and the fine print- in June. I seriously doubt that since the last IPCC report in 2001 major, earth-shaking, advances have been made in sea level rise ‘detection’ science. You will find it is a very tricky field of science if you bother to look into it closely.
...and here is a short synopsis from the 2001 report-
IPCC Working Group I: The Scientific Basis
Chapter 11, Changes in Sea Level, Executive Summary
“This chapter assesses the current state of knowledge of the rate of change of global average and regional sea level in relation to climate change….”
“No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected…”
[How interesting fucuta14. Do you believe this is a credible statement from the IPCC?]
...and here is a short synopsis from the 2001 report-
IPCC Working Group I: The Scientific Basis
Chapter 11, Changes in Sea Level, Executive Summary
“This chapter assesses the current state of knowledge of the rate of change of global average and regional sea level in relation to climate change….”
“No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected…”
[How interesting fucuta14. Do you believe this is a credible statement from the IPCC?]
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In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
When I was in school Ringo carbon dioxide was said to be aerial borne plant fertilizer and a good thing. It still is plant food as far as I know. Regardless of all you see today in the ‘media’ there is NO solid evidence to say that carbon dioxide is driving the slight rise in global temperature.
Please point me to solid evidence to show global warming is 'worsening' and causing sea levels to rise at a dramatic rate.
Please point me to solid evidence to show global warming is 'worsening' and causing sea levels to rise at a dramatic rate.
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In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
In response to: MMS says internal reviews taking longer
Capri, good to see you mentioning Denmark, where the honeymoon with wind power is coming to an end.
“Danes Not as Green as They Think”
Copenhagen Post, 03/29/07
“Denmark's reputation as an environmentally-friendly country contradicts the facts of a new ministry study.”
“With its windmills, small cars and solar power, Denmark has a worldwide reputation as an environmentally conscious country. But a new study commissioned by the Environment Ministry tells a different tale. Danes are actually some of the biggest eco-villains in the EU and, worse, are unaware of it….”
“Our politicians insist that we are the world's best in relation to the environment, …but we use a ridiculous amount of energy,' environmental sociologist Lars Kjerulf told Nyhedsavisen.”
“All of our daily activities contribute to Denmark having one of the world's highest CO2 emissions”, said Connie Hedegaard, the Environment Minister…”
“Danes Not as Green as They Think”
Copenhagen Post, 03/29/07
“Denmark's reputation as an environmentally-friendly country contradicts the facts of a new ministry study.”
“With its windmills, small cars and solar power, Denmark has a worldwide reputation as an environmentally conscious country. But a new study commissioned by the Environment Ministry tells a different tale. Danes are actually some of the biggest eco-villains in the EU and, worse, are unaware of it….”
“Our politicians insist that we are the world's best in relation to the environment, …but we use a ridiculous amount of energy,' environmental sociologist Lars Kjerulf told Nyhedsavisen.”
“All of our daily activities contribute to Denmark having one of the world's highest CO2 emissions”, said Connie Hedegaard, the Environment Minister…”
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In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
Allow me to shift gears. There’s a story online today telling how wind power is causing problems in Montana-
“Who Will Spark the Gap?”
J. Larson, Billings Outpost 4/5/07
“With the standby power necessary to smooth the erratic output of Montana's premier wind power facility becoming difficult to come by at any price, the state's technocracy wonders- who will provide the power to back wind power?”
“When the wind isn't blowing the power that is scheduled to come from [Judith Gap] has to come from somewhere else.”
“…Brad Molnar, [Pub. Service Commissioner] said the power generated at J. Gap could not be matched to the load. It was not "dispatchable, curtailable or reliable," meaning that the wind power couldn't be used to back up other sources of power and can't easily be reduced to match demand.”
The governor's remarks were "just the usual blather," he said.
“…40% of the power produced at Judith Gap has been sold to Idaho at a loss, because there was no market for it here, Mr. Molnar said.”
“Who Will Spark the Gap?”
J. Larson, Billings Outpost 4/5/07
“With the standby power necessary to smooth the erratic output of Montana's premier wind power facility becoming difficult to come by at any price, the state's technocracy wonders- who will provide the power to back wind power?”
“When the wind isn't blowing the power that is scheduled to come from [Judith Gap] has to come from somewhere else.”
“…Brad Molnar, [Pub. Service Commissioner] said the power generated at J. Gap could not be matched to the load. It was not "dispatchable, curtailable or reliable," meaning that the wind power couldn't be used to back up other sources of power and can't easily be reduced to match demand.”
The governor's remarks were "just the usual blather," he said.
“…40% of the power produced at Judith Gap has been sold to Idaho at a loss, because there was no market for it here, Mr. Molnar said.”
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In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
Moses- google "Wind Turbine Accident Compilation"
You'll find an expanding list of 273 incidents of all kinds. [Many of them fatal Carl]
Numbers 114, 176, 183, 186, 192, 240, 257, involve oil leaks or spills of some kind. Moses, you must have psychic powers to be so sure Cape Wind would be immune to major oil spills.
You'll find an expanding list of 273 incidents of all kinds. [Many of them fatal Carl]
Numbers 114, 176, 183, 186, 192, 240, 257, involve oil leaks or spills of some kind. Moses, you must have psychic powers to be so sure Cape Wind would be immune to major oil spills.
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In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
Jack, have you noticed how we all talk about the “Cape and islands” as though they were a single entity? ‘We’ includes people who have never seen the ‘Cape and islands.’ You used the phrase twice just yesterday.
Do you think the Cape and islands are only connected by underwater electric cables?
How about Nantucket Sound?
The Cape Cod Commission was formed in 1990 when Barnstable Co. voters became concerned about “uncoordinated and inappropriate development.” The Martha’s Vineyard Commission was created for the same reason in 1974.
Do you really think Cape Wind opponents have no right to fight a private/for profit project- of highly questionable value- that is planned to take up 24 sq. miles in the very center of the ‘entity’ that connects the ‘Cape and islands?’
Do you think the Cape and islands are only connected by underwater electric cables?
How about Nantucket Sound?
The Cape Cod Commission was formed in 1990 when Barnstable Co. voters became concerned about “uncoordinated and inappropriate development.” The Martha’s Vineyard Commission was created for the same reason in 1974.
Do you really think Cape Wind opponents have no right to fight a private/for profit project- of highly questionable value- that is planned to take up 24 sq. miles in the very center of the ‘entity’ that connects the ‘Cape and islands?’
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In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
In response to: "Cape Wind", the book; Dirty politics, clean power on the Cape
Here is another "must read."
From today's C.C. Times-
"Cape agency flexes muscle"
"...the plan to build 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound still faces a significant local hurdle: a review by the Cape Cod Commission, Barnstable County's regional planning agency."
"Opponents of the turbines say the commission, known for its tough-minded approach to large development projects, could prove a serious obstacle to the project - and possibly even kill it."
From today's C.C. Times-
"Cape agency flexes muscle"
"...the plan to build 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound still faces a significant local hurdle: a review by the Cape Cod Commission, Barnstable County's regional planning agency."
"Opponents of the turbines say the commission, known for its tough-minded approach to large development projects, could prove a serious obstacle to the project - and possibly even kill it."
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In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Barbara, I was wondering what became of Ketpass1.
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In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Here is a shocking new report from Denmark, where wind power is alleged to be responsible for an environmental ‘miracle.’ The miracle seems more like a myth as time goes by.
“Danes Not as Green as They Think”
Copenhagen Post, 03/29/07
“Denmark's reputation as an environmentally-friendly country contradicts the facts of a new ministry study.”
“With its windmills, small cars and solar power, Denmark has a worldwide reputation as an environmentally conscious country. But a new study commissioned by the Environment Ministry tells a different tale. Danes are actually some of the biggest eco-villains in the EU and, worse, are unaware of it….”
“Our politicians insist that we are the world's best in relation to the environment, …but we use a ridiculous amount of energy,' environmental sociologist Lars Kjerulf told Nyhedsavisen.”
“All of our daily activities contribute to Denmark having one of the world's highest CO2 emissions”, said Connie Hedegaard, the Environment Minister…”
“Danes Not as Green as They Think”
Copenhagen Post, 03/29/07
“Denmark's reputation as an environmentally-friendly country contradicts the facts of a new ministry study.”
“With its windmills, small cars and solar power, Denmark has a worldwide reputation as an environmentally conscious country. But a new study commissioned by the Environment Ministry tells a different tale. Danes are actually some of the biggest eco-villains in the EU and, worse, are unaware of it….”
“Our politicians insist that we are the world's best in relation to the environment, …but we use a ridiculous amount of energy,' environmental sociologist Lars Kjerulf told Nyhedsavisen.”
“All of our daily activities contribute to Denmark having one of the world's highest CO2 emissions”, said Connie Hedegaard, the Environment Minister…”
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In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Jack, I’ve become highly suspicious of all claims made in favor of wind power, especially the one about Cape Wind generating 75 percent of the electricity for the Cape and islands.
Here is a small part of an editorial from Australia-
“Wind Power Output at 50% of Wind Industry Predictions at Times of Peak Demand”
“…as they say in the government departments it's all about perceptions.”
“No matter how obvious the wind farm sink hole becomes the industry marches on regardless, making the same outrageous claims about how many houses will be supplied and how much greenhouse gases will be saved.”
“…an official assumption that the wind blows enough for wind farms to generate 33 per cent of their installed capacity -- is another of the wild exaggerations…”
Here is a small part of an editorial from Australia-
“Wind Power Output at 50% of Wind Industry Predictions at Times of Peak Demand”
“…as they say in the government departments it's all about perceptions.”
“No matter how obvious the wind farm sink hole becomes the industry marches on regardless, making the same outrageous claims about how many houses will be supplied and how much greenhouse gases will be saved.”
“…an official assumption that the wind blows enough for wind farms to generate 33 per cent of their installed capacity -- is another of the wild exaggerations…”
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In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Jack, since you provide the power your bicycle requires to roll along, your pedaling energy input could be more reliable than any wind turbine, but your output might also be far more intermittent.
Another wind power-bicycle analogy came up in two letters in the Rutland, VT Herald newspaper not long ago. On Feb. 18, a wind advocate named Avram Patt tried to say parallels could be made between turbines, fossil fuel plants, bicycles, cars, and fuel savings. In the real world it is just not that simple. On March 4, the paper ran a letter from wind power skeptic Eric Rosenbloom. E.R. made this observation among others-
“Wind energy on the grid is not like riding a bike and leaving the car in the driveway, as Patt suggests. Wind energy on the grid is more like riding a bike and having someone follow you in the car in case you get tired (lose your wind, so to speak).”
Google-
“Avram Patt doesn't know what he's talking about”
Another wind power-bicycle analogy came up in two letters in the Rutland, VT Herald newspaper not long ago. On Feb. 18, a wind advocate named Avram Patt tried to say parallels could be made between turbines, fossil fuel plants, bicycles, cars, and fuel savings. In the real world it is just not that simple. On March 4, the paper ran a letter from wind power skeptic Eric Rosenbloom. E.R. made this observation among others-
“Wind energy on the grid is not like riding a bike and leaving the car in the driveway, as Patt suggests. Wind energy on the grid is more like riding a bike and having someone follow you in the car in case you get tired (lose your wind, so to speak).”
Google-
“Avram Patt doesn't know what he's talking about”
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In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Ringo,
August 2010?
Right now, there is little to no wind on Nantucket Sound, and the Cape Wind wattmeter is stuck on Zero- again.
But thanks to conventional energy producers our coffee-makers are working and the lights are still on.
Monpo, I would say Cape Wind’s chances of success have been stuck on 50-50 for a long time, and are still 50-50 today.
Let me ask YOU a question- what is going on with you and Walter? How you do get to slip in a HTML link when it says below-
“HTML is not allowed and will be stripped out when posting.”
If Monpo won’t tell, maybe Ringo knows.
August 2010?
Right now, there is little to no wind on Nantucket Sound, and the Cape Wind wattmeter is stuck on Zero- again.
But thanks to conventional energy producers our coffee-makers are working and the lights are still on.
Monpo, I would say Cape Wind’s chances of success have been stuck on 50-50 for a long time, and are still 50-50 today.
Let me ask YOU a question- what is going on with you and Walter? How you do get to slip in a HTML link when it says below-
“HTML is not allowed and will be stripped out when posting.”
If Monpo won’t tell, maybe Ringo knows.
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In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Bobcat87, you’ve zeroed in on the real problem here- the private takeover of priceless public property, with little or no public gain.
Moses, that’s not what Peter Kruse, the head of investor relations for Vestas in Denmark, would say about Cape Wind. He has, “…warned that the lesson from Horns Reef was that wind farms at sea would remain far more expensive than those on land."
"Offshore wind farms don't destroy your landscape," Kruse said, but the added installation and maintenance costs were "going to be very disappointing for many politicians across the world."
Moses, that’s not what Peter Kruse, the head of investor relations for Vestas in Denmark, would say about Cape Wind. He has, “…warned that the lesson from Horns Reef was that wind farms at sea would remain far more expensive than those on land."
"Offshore wind farms don't destroy your landscape," Kruse said, but the added installation and maintenance costs were "going to be very disappointing for many politicians across the world."
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In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Jack, sail power is fine for recreation but how many wind propelled ships or boats do you see in commercial use today?
Besides those few used for recreation?
I’ve heard from a reliable source that Greenpeace only unfurls the sails on the Rainbow Warrior for photo-ops, and they don’t do it very often. [Stock/on file photos help keep the illusion alive.]
The ‘Age’ of commercial sail ended a long, long time ago, as Moses can tell you.
I notice that my all my sailor friends get very somber and serious about the condition of their auxiliary power plants when sailing season approaches. And when sailing season does arrive, they never overlook engine maintenance.
Have you seen the expression on a sailor’s face when they need the engine to run, and it will not start?
There are many laps yet to come in this race.
Besides those few used for recreation?
I’ve heard from a reliable source that Greenpeace only unfurls the sails on the Rainbow Warrior for photo-ops, and they don’t do it very often. [Stock/on file photos help keep the illusion alive.]
The ‘Age’ of commercial sail ended a long, long time ago, as Moses can tell you.
I notice that my all my sailor friends get very somber and serious about the condition of their auxiliary power plants when sailing season approaches. And when sailing season does arrive, they never overlook engine maintenance.
Have you seen the expression on a sailor’s face when they need the engine to run, and it will not start?
There are many laps yet to come in this race.
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In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Moses, here are the opening lines from a C.C. Times story on last year's Figawi Race. I've been told nearly every boat had to rely on their fossil fuel powered engines to get home on the final day.
"Slow Going on High Seas"
Author: Patrick Cassidy
Publish Date: May 28, 2006
NANTUCKET - The outlines of a hundred sails were barely discernible against the backdrop of fog at the start of yesterday's 35th annual Figawi sailboat race from Hyannis to Nantucket. The dense shroud eventually dissipated enough to let the sun peek through, but a light - at times NONEXISTENT- wind led to a bottleneck at the starting line.
''If the wind stays like this, you better have a lot to eat and drink on the boat,'' [one] captain said..."
[Emphasis added.]
Yes Moses, wind power is completely unreliable. Ask any sailor.
"Slow Going on High Seas"
Author: Patrick Cassidy
Publish Date: May 28, 2006
NANTUCKET - The outlines of a hundred sails were barely discernible against the backdrop of fog at the start of yesterday's 35th annual Figawi sailboat race from Hyannis to Nantucket. The dense shroud eventually dissipated enough to let the sun peek through, but a light - at times NONEXISTENT- wind led to a bottleneck at the starting line.
''If the wind stays like this, you better have a lot to eat and drink on the boat,'' [one] captain said..."
[Emphasis added.]
Yes Moses, wind power is completely unreliable. Ask any sailor.
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In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
From- View from Kirby Mountain- blog;
“Two-thirds Backup for One-third Power from Wind”
“An interesting bit of data was found in a news article about the costs of the "successful" wind energy facility in Judith Gap, Montana.”
”To make it work, the utility has to buy 90 MW of "firming" power. The Judith Gap facility has a nameplate capacity of 135 MW. As with all wind turbines, because the power generation varies with the wind, the average output over a year is likely less than 45 MW.”
”So to get an average of 45 MW from wind, the utility is buying 90 MW from other sources that it didn't have to before.”
“Two-thirds Backup for One-third Power from Wind”
“An interesting bit of data was found in a news article about the costs of the "successful" wind energy facility in Judith Gap, Montana.”
”To make it work, the utility has to buy 90 MW of "firming" power. The Judith Gap facility has a nameplate capacity of 135 MW. As with all wind turbines, because the power generation varies with the wind, the average output over a year is likely less than 45 MW.”
”So to get an average of 45 MW from wind, the utility is buying 90 MW from other sources that it didn't have to before.”
neil good [Member]
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
In response to: State gives OK to Cape Wind
Carl, here are some of today's headlines.
'Economic Sense' Blows Down Wind Turbine Plan
[MATTAPOISETT] - There will be no wind turbine off Brandt Island Road, due to the Wind Power Committee's decision that it would not be economically viable….”
Report: LIPA Wind Farm Cost too Steep
[New York] “The proposal to build a 40-turbine wind farm off the S.Shore would enrich its contractor with "extraordinary" returns while "saddling" Long Island ratepayers with a 20-year-plus contract for energy at "excessive" prices, a new study of the project's economics has found...”
Huge Opposition
“The Scottish Executive received almost 11,400 letters against Lewis Wind Power's application for their proposal in Lewis... 59 were recorded in support and 11,397 against."
Contact Energy says [New Zealand] Gov. Expects More from Wind than can be Delivered
“Contact Energy says gov. forecasts for wind power generation underestimate its cost and overestimate its likely performance.”
'Economic Sense' Blows Down Wind Turbine Plan
[MATTAPOISETT] - There will be no wind turbine off Brandt Island Road, due to the Wind Power Committee's decision that it would not be economically viable….”
Report: LIPA Wind Farm Cost too Steep
[New York] “The proposal to build a 40-turbine wind farm off the S.Shore would enrich its contractor with "extraordinary" returns while "saddling" Long Island ratepayers with a 20-year-plus contract for energy at "excessive" prices, a new study of the project's economics has found...”
Huge Opposition
“The Scottish Executive received almost 11,400 letters against Lewis Wind Power's application for their proposal in Lewis... 59 were recorded in support and 11,397 against."
Contact Energy says [New Zealand] Gov. Expects More from Wind than can be Delivered
“Contact Energy says gov. forecasts for wind power generation underestimate its cost and overestimate its likely performance.”
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In response to: Locals pols stampede to endorse Cape Wind; Vinick whacks Willy; Cape women rebel
In response to: Locals pols stampede to endorse Cape Wind; Vinick whacks Willy; Cape women rebel
More to think about on April Fools Day-
"...Peter Kruse, the head of investor relations for Vestas [Danish turbine builder,] warned that the lesson from Horns Reef was that wind farms at sea would remain far more expensive than those on land."
"Offshore wind farms don't destroy your landscape," Kruse said, but the added installation and maintenance costs were "going to be very disappointing for many politicians across the world."
"...Peter Kruse, the head of investor relations for Vestas [Danish turbine builder,] warned that the lesson from Horns Reef was that wind farms at sea would remain far more expensive than those on land."
"Offshore wind farms don't destroy your landscape," Kruse said, but the added installation and maintenance costs were "going to be very disappointing for many politicians across the world."
neil good [Member]
In response to: Locals pols stampede to endorse Cape Wind; Vinick whacks Willy; Cape women rebel
In response to: Locals pols stampede to endorse Cape Wind; Vinick whacks Willy; Cape women rebel
Nantucket Ghost- it is truly irrational to think wind power will become an important source of energy in the future.
The U.S. Energy Information Agency predicts wind turbines will provide a grand total of 0.89% of the nation’s electrical power in 2030.
Right now, with wind speeds on Nantucket Sound down to 2-3 knots, Cape Wind predicts it would be producing 0 [zero] megawatts.
Aren’t you glad we have more reliable sources of energy?
The U.S. Energy Information Agency predicts wind turbines will provide a grand total of 0.89% of the nation’s electrical power in 2030.
Right now, with wind speeds on Nantucket Sound down to 2-3 knots, Cape Wind predicts it would be producing 0 [zero] megawatts.
Aren’t you glad we have more reliable sources of energy?
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Chuck, you say, “…we all must be willing to accept some part of emissions from fossil plants, at least until we can begin to offset their emissions with non-polluting wind power.”
Right now Cape Wind would be producing a rather paltry 40 megawatts.
Do you really think emissions from base load plants would be “offset” by Cape Wind anytime today?
Do you really believe ISO New England could wait around today for the wind to rise, or to fall further?
This might be the perfect time to discuss- honestly- the importance of ‘spinning reserve.”
Base load plants cannot be switched on and off or even ramped down as easily as you would like people to believe.
This might be the perfect day to also discuss- again honestly- the total unreliability of wind power.
Right now Cape Wind would be producing a rather paltry 40 megawatts.
Do you really think emissions from base load plants would be “offset” by Cape Wind anytime today?
Do you really believe ISO New England could wait around today for the wind to rise, or to fall further?
This might be the perfect time to discuss- honestly- the importance of ‘spinning reserve.”
Base load plants cannot be switched on and off or even ramped down as easily as you would like people to believe.
This might be the perfect day to also discuss- again honestly- the total unreliability of wind power.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Shocking levels of Mercury discovered entering oceans here
In response to: Shocking levels of Mercury discovered entering oceans here
No need for fear mongering here, or elsewhere. A story in today’s CCTimes says-
”Mercury No Problem”
By David Scharfenberg, staff writer
“Fire up the grill. Break out the lemons. Officials say it is safe to eat bass and quahogs plucked from Waquoit Bay.”
“Locals got a bit of a scare this week with news of a Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution study tracking mercury in the bay's waters.”
Richard York, Mashpee's shellfish constable, said he received calls from several recreational and commercial fishermen wondering whether the bay, split between Mashpee and Falmouth, might have to be closed to fishing.
“Contamination fears are unfounded, he said.”
''Pregnant women could eat mussels (from the bay) at every meal, every day and still be safe,” York said....
”Mercury No Problem”
By David Scharfenberg, staff writer
“Fire up the grill. Break out the lemons. Officials say it is safe to eat bass and quahogs plucked from Waquoit Bay.”
“Locals got a bit of a scare this week with news of a Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution study tracking mercury in the bay's waters.”
Richard York, Mashpee's shellfish constable, said he received calls from several recreational and commercial fishermen wondering whether the bay, split between Mashpee and Falmouth, might have to be closed to fishing.
“Contamination fears are unfounded, he said.”
''Pregnant women could eat mussels (from the bay) at every meal, every day and still be safe,” York said....
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In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
The headline above reads-
“Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Report”
Drudgereport has this link on right now-
“New York City Environmentalists Eliminate Toilet Paper in Effort to Save the Planet...”
“Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Report”
Drudgereport has this link on right now-
“New York City Environmentalists Eliminate Toilet Paper in Effort to Save the Planet...”
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In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
In response to: Citing Global Warming Environmentalists urge immediate approval of Cape Wind Environmental Impact Repor
Skeptics Voted the Winners vs. Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
3/16/07
M. Morano
...A high profile debate between scientists Wednesday evening ended with G.W. skeptics being voted the clear winners by an audience of hundreds in a tough N.Y. City.
One of the scientists promoting the climate "crisis" appeared to concede defeat by noting his debate team was ‘pretty dull" and at "a sharp disadvantage" against the skeptics.
Skeptics Dramatically Convinced Audience
The skeptics achieved the vote victory despite facing an audience that had voted 57% in favor of the belief that mankind has created a climate "crisis" before the debate began.
But by the end of the debate, the audience dramatically reversed themselves and became convinced by the arguments presented by the skeptical scientists.
MIT’s R. Lindzen said, “Much of the current alarm is based on ignorance of what is normal for weather and climate."
3/16/07
M. Morano
...A high profile debate between scientists Wednesday evening ended with G.W. skeptics being voted the clear winners by an audience of hundreds in a tough N.Y. City.
One of the scientists promoting the climate "crisis" appeared to concede defeat by noting his debate team was ‘pretty dull" and at "a sharp disadvantage" against the skeptics.
Skeptics Dramatically Convinced Audience
The skeptics achieved the vote victory despite facing an audience that had voted 57% in favor of the belief that mankind has created a climate "crisis" before the debate began.
But by the end of the debate, the audience dramatically reversed themselves and became convinced by the arguments presented by the skeptical scientists.
MIT’s R. Lindzen said, “Much of the current alarm is based on ignorance of what is normal for weather and climate."
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Well now Carl, do you remember writing on 02/26/07-
“There has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!”
[your emphasis Carl, not mine.]
…and I then directed your attention to-
“A Summary of Fatal Accidents in Wind Energy” by Paul Gipe.
How’s that for a challenge to one of your statements- with facts?
“There has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!”
[your emphasis Carl, not mine.]
…and I then directed your attention to-
“A Summary of Fatal Accidents in Wind Energy” by Paul Gipe.
How’s that for a challenge to one of your statements- with facts?
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Carl, you wrong again. The always courageous Barbara Durkin brought up the subject of Legoland, not me.
You need to follow your own advice. Be more careful with your research. Don’t shoot from the hip so often. Details do matter.
You are losing credibility, not me.
You need to follow your own advice. Be more careful with your research. Don’t shoot from the hip so often. Details do matter.
You are losing credibility, not me.
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In response to: Cape Air heading west? Gore wows Washington; Murray promises much
In response to: Cape Air heading west? Gore wows Washington; Murray promises much
"Global Warming on Trial"
"Sixth-graders decide that humans aren’t to blame"
By Ben Ready
The Daily Times-Call
LONGMONT — Humans don’t cause global warming, a jury of sixth graders at Trail Ridge Middle School concluded Thursday after hearing opposing arguments from their peers....
"Sixth-graders decide that humans aren’t to blame"
By Ben Ready
The Daily Times-Call
LONGMONT — Humans don’t cause global warming, a jury of sixth graders at Trail Ridge Middle School concluded Thursday after hearing opposing arguments from their peers....
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Carl, nothing personal, but your record with 'facts' is not very good.
Buzz, there is a major problem here. Seems to me something odd is going on at that summer camp. Chernobyl occurred in 1986, so it’s ‘children’ are now all adults.
Are you saying the damage from Chernobyl has been passed on genetically?
That is not supported by any credible evidence at all.
Google-
“The report also neglects to inform the reader that there was a total lack of radiation-induced hereditary disturbances both in the Chernobyl population, and among the progeny of survivors of the World War II atomic attack in Japan. These omissions should serve as a warning of how deeply biased this report is.”
Buzz, there is a major problem here. Seems to me something odd is going on at that summer camp. Chernobyl occurred in 1986, so it’s ‘children’ are now all adults.
Are you saying the damage from Chernobyl has been passed on genetically?
That is not supported by any credible evidence at all.
Google-
“The report also neglects to inform the reader that there was a total lack of radiation-induced hereditary disturbances both in the Chernobyl population, and among the progeny of survivors of the World War II atomic attack in Japan. These omissions should serve as a warning of how deeply biased this report is.”
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Buzz,
Can you please post more info about this summer camp?
I'm not disputing what you say- I just need to see hard evidence before I accept what you say is true. It may just be more ‘hype’ and ‘spin’.
Don't fall for all the doom and gloom.
Can you please post more info about this summer camp?
I'm not disputing what you say- I just need to see hard evidence before I accept what you say is true. It may just be more ‘hype’ and ‘spin’.
Don't fall for all the doom and gloom.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Buzz,
Did you hear about the sophisticated scam that started in the Ukraine right after Chernobyl?
Con artists presented photos of sadly deformed children- with no connection at all to Chernobyl- to the gullible public worldwide. Huge amounts of money for "victim aid” was raised. The scammers then pocketed the cash.
Only 62 deaths have been linked directly to the Chernobyl accident.
Google up any of the following-
“The proliferation of radiophobic hysteria all around the world was the real "disaster."
“...the invention of the status of a “Chernobyl victim,” awarding costly social privileges to large groups of such “victims,” unnecessary relocation and pauperization of hundreds of thousands of persons, and epidemics of psychosomatic diseases throughout vast territories of the former Soviet Union, were NOT caused by radiation.”
I say build a new nuke plant alongside either the Entergy Pilgrim plant or the Canal power plant.
Did you hear about the sophisticated scam that started in the Ukraine right after Chernobyl?
Con artists presented photos of sadly deformed children- with no connection at all to Chernobyl- to the gullible public worldwide. Huge amounts of money for "victim aid” was raised. The scammers then pocketed the cash.
Only 62 deaths have been linked directly to the Chernobyl accident.
Google up any of the following-
“The proliferation of radiophobic hysteria all around the world was the real "disaster."
“...the invention of the status of a “Chernobyl victim,” awarding costly social privileges to large groups of such “victims,” unnecessary relocation and pauperization of hundreds of thousands of persons, and epidemics of psychosomatic diseases throughout vast territories of the former Soviet Union, were NOT caused by radiation.”
I say build a new nuke plant alongside either the Entergy Pilgrim plant or the Canal power plant.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Ketpass1,
It appears wind turbines are not the only expensive export leaving Denmark. The high taxes [the highest in all of Europe??], are driving the most productive people out of your country.
Google-
Great Dane, Great Pain
…and read the essay by Henrik Rasmussen, a Dane now living in Virginia.
On these glowing reports about the quality of life in Denmark, Rasmussen says-
“…a dose of reality from someone who has actually lived in Denmark is in order.”
“…estimates of Danes living in London vary between 35,000 and 70,000, which is roughly 1% of the total Danish population of 5.4 million… To put this number in perspective, imagine the reaction if 3 million high income Americans moved to London in search of greater economic freedom.”
It appears wind turbines are not the only expensive export leaving Denmark. The high taxes [the highest in all of Europe??], are driving the most productive people out of your country.
Google-
Great Dane, Great Pain
…and read the essay by Henrik Rasmussen, a Dane now living in Virginia.
On these glowing reports about the quality of life in Denmark, Rasmussen says-
“…a dose of reality from someone who has actually lived in Denmark is in order.”
“…estimates of Danes living in London vary between 35,000 and 70,000, which is roughly 1% of the total Danish population of 5.4 million… To put this number in perspective, imagine the reaction if 3 million high income Americans moved to London in search of greater economic freedom.”
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Buzz,
I’m still waiting for links to those photos of Chernobyl victims you mentioned earlier.
I’m still waiting for links to those photos of Chernobyl victims you mentioned earlier.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Chuck, you say; “Unlike terrestrial views, all ocean views are exquisite. No one more or less than any other.”
In your zeal to see Cape Wind’s highly dubious project succeed you forget Nantucket Sound is said to be the most heavily utilized recreational off-shore area on the Eastern seaboard. There are no huge 24 square mile industrial projects in it's center right now.
Let’s do all we can to keep it that way.
In your zeal to see Cape Wind’s highly dubious project succeed you forget Nantucket Sound is said to be the most heavily utilized recreational off-shore area on the Eastern seaboard. There are no huge 24 square mile industrial projects in it's center right now.
Let’s do all we can to keep it that way.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
"Denmark Leads the Way in Green Energy- to a Point"
International Herald Tribune
3/21/07
...Besides political hiccups, there have been technical setbacks, as Danish wind operators, hoping to bypass local objections and take advantage of stronger, steadier air currents, have tried to build giant turbines at sea. In one case, in 2004, turbines at Horns Reef, some 10 miles off the coast, broke down, their critical equipment damaged by storms and salt water.
Vestas fixed the problem by replacing the equipment at a cost of €38 million, or $50 million. But Peter Kruse, the head of investor relations for Vestas, warned that the lesson from Horns Reef was that wind farms at sea would remain far more expensive than those on land.
"Offshore wind farms don't destroy your landscape," Kruse said, but the added installation and maintenance costs were "going to be very disappointing for many politicians across the world."
Yet another problem is the intermittence of wind....
International Herald Tribune
3/21/07
...Besides political hiccups, there have been technical setbacks, as Danish wind operators, hoping to bypass local objections and take advantage of stronger, steadier air currents, have tried to build giant turbines at sea. In one case, in 2004, turbines at Horns Reef, some 10 miles off the coast, broke down, their critical equipment damaged by storms and salt water.
Vestas fixed the problem by replacing the equipment at a cost of €38 million, or $50 million. But Peter Kruse, the head of investor relations for Vestas, warned that the lesson from Horns Reef was that wind farms at sea would remain far more expensive than those on land.
"Offshore wind farms don't destroy your landscape," Kruse said, but the added installation and maintenance costs were "going to be very disappointing for many politicians across the world."
Yet another problem is the intermittence of wind....
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Buzz, send links to your photos to neilgood@juno.com
Got to run- I’ll be back later tonight.
Got to run- I’ll be back later tonight.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Not so fast Buzz,
Google-
"In 1986 when Reactor #4 exploded it was predicted that tens of thousands would die. The UN report notes that “Claims have been made that tens or even hundreds of thousands of persons have died as a result of the accident.” But, these “claims are exaggerated”.
Google-
"In 1986 when Reactor #4 exploded it was predicted that tens of thousands would die. The UN report notes that “Claims have been made that tens or even hundreds of thousands of persons have died as a result of the accident.” But, these “claims are exaggerated”.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
In response to: Any good alternatives for Cape Wind?
Chuck, how disingenuous can Cape Wind/EMI get?
The C.W. webpage says-
“Our health and environment are negatively impacted by fossil fuel burning.”
But then EMI plans to build a fossil fuel power plant in Chelsea, across from what I’m told is the largest elementary school complex in the USA.
Will you be surprised, or upset, if you find your friends at Cape Wind/EMI are quietly looking into coal gas projects like the one reported in Monday’s Boston Globe?
“Ian A. Bowles, Mass. Secretary of Energy and Environmental Affairs, and Gov. Deval L. Patrick, are working to help GreatPoint expand and build a test plant in Massachusetts.”
'"This is the type of company that Governor Patrick sees as a key part of the emerging clean-energy cluster in the Commonwealth," Bowles said.'
Clean coal energy makes a lot of sense; wind energy makes very little.
The C.W. webpage says-
“Our health and environment are negatively impacted by fossil fuel burning.”
But then EMI plans to build a fossil fuel power plant in Chelsea, across from what I’m told is the largest elementary school complex in the USA.
Will you be surprised, or upset, if you find your friends at Cape Wind/EMI are quietly looking into coal gas projects like the one reported in Monday’s Boston Globe?
“Ian A. Bowles, Mass. Secretary of Energy and Environmental Affairs, and Gov. Deval L. Patrick, are working to help GreatPoint expand and build a test plant in Massachusetts.”
'"This is the type of company that Governor Patrick sees as a key part of the emerging clean-energy cluster in the Commonwealth," Bowles said.'
Clean coal energy makes a lot of sense; wind energy makes very little.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Cape Air heading west? Gore wows Washington; Murray promises much
In response to: Cape Air heading west? Gore wows Washington; Murray promises much
Global warming alarmists and Al Gore the Truth should not get too worked up over these off-course Manatees.
A reliable source says; "....USGS manatee scientists believe that Chessie's migration from Florida to the Chesapeake Bay may have been common for manatees in previous centuries. The repeated sightings of a "sea monster" in the Chesapeake Bay, nicknamed "Chessie," date back throughout the 1900s and may include manatee sightings that were not properly identified."
A reliable source says; "....USGS manatee scientists believe that Chessie's migration from Florida to the Chesapeake Bay may have been common for manatees in previous centuries. The repeated sightings of a "sea monster" in the Chesapeake Bay, nicknamed "Chessie," date back throughout the 1900s and may include manatee sightings that were not properly identified."
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In response to: Fighting the lost cause
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
ketpass1, you say- “I trust highly in the credibility of the Danish public offices, as we have the lowest rate of corruption in the entire world. The Danish Ministry of Energy actually pays out the subsidies to windfarms...”
Really? Then how do you explain these Danish news headlines?
“Subsidies to turbines out of control”
“Minister in conflict with the law”
“Electricity users led by the nose”
“Local politicians benefit from wind projects”
“State Accountants have officially reprimanded the Danish Energy Agency for lack of control with windmill subsidies"
“Town council reported for tinkering with turbines”
“Auken consulting about CO2 deception”
“Electricity customers cheated of billions”
“Turbine swindle”
“Charge of cheating with turbines”
“Off-shore turbines cost customers five billion”
“Green electricity is sold at a loss”
“Danish wind: Too good to be true?”
“Danes blow away wealth in wind exports”
“More Wind turbines cause chaos”
Really? Then how do you explain these Danish news headlines?
“Subsidies to turbines out of control”
“Minister in conflict with the law”
“Electricity users led by the nose”
“Local politicians benefit from wind projects”
“State Accountants have officially reprimanded the Danish Energy Agency for lack of control with windmill subsidies"
“Town council reported for tinkering with turbines”
“Auken consulting about CO2 deception”
“Electricity customers cheated of billions”
“Turbine swindle”
“Charge of cheating with turbines”
“Off-shore turbines cost customers five billion”
“Green electricity is sold at a loss”
“Danish wind: Too good to be true?”
“Danes blow away wealth in wind exports”
“More Wind turbines cause chaos”
neil good [Member]
In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
And Carl, I can ask you the same question- what do your surveys from VT and the UK have to do offshore wind?
I just attempted to find out if offshore turbines exist near Cornwall, England. I’m still not sure, but I did find Cornwall mentioned in the story below.
You talk about “lies and distortions,” and tell me to be more careful. When will you explain what compelled you to write on 02/26/07-
“There has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!”
We now know that’s not true at all.
Carl, please be more careful with your statements.
“Wind farms Are Failing to Generate the Predicted Amount of Electricity”
By C. Clover,
10/12/06
A wind farm in Scotland is efficient, but south of the border is not windy enough to allow turbines to work at the rates claimed for them. The claimed benefits of wind energy are called into question today by a study that finds few wind farms in England and Wales produce as much electricity as the Gov. forecast..
I just attempted to find out if offshore turbines exist near Cornwall, England. I’m still not sure, but I did find Cornwall mentioned in the story below.
You talk about “lies and distortions,” and tell me to be more careful. When will you explain what compelled you to write on 02/26/07-
“There has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!”
We now know that’s not true at all.
Carl, please be more careful with your statements.
“Wind farms Are Failing to Generate the Predicted Amount of Electricity”
By C. Clover,
10/12/06
A wind farm in Scotland is efficient, but south of the border is not windy enough to allow turbines to work at the rates claimed for them. The claimed benefits of wind energy are called into question today by a study that finds few wind farms in England and Wales produce as much electricity as the Gov. forecast..
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In response to: The Alliance for Offshore Wind Power -- Anywhere But Here
In response to: The Alliance for Offshore Wind Power -- Anywhere But Here
Jack, I see on the CW data tower page that Cape Wind alleges it would be producing 58 MW right now. That is about one third of its alleged average output, and only 13 percent of its alleged full rating of 454 MW.
Average electric demand on the Cape and Islands is 230 MW
Sorry- I just don’t see how the public benefits in this private developer’s plan to build a 25 square mile power plant in the center of Nantucket Sound, when the fuel source is so variable and unpredictable, and at times- so weak.
Are detractors just plain un-reasonable when they bring this topic up?
Average electric demand on the Cape and Islands is 230 MW
Sorry- I just don’t see how the public benefits in this private developer’s plan to build a 25 square mile power plant in the center of Nantucket Sound, when the fuel source is so variable and unpredictable, and at times- so weak.
Are detractors just plain un-reasonable when they bring this topic up?
neil good [Member]
In response to: The Alliance for Offshore Wind Power -- Anywhere But Here
In response to: The Alliance for Offshore Wind Power -- Anywhere But Here
Jack,
Someone by the name of ‘Rich’ who comments on the Cape Cod Times LTE webpage has been saying over and over that the wind turbines near Palm Springs, CA;
“…produce 2/3s of the electricity for a population of 400,000 people.”
Every time I asked him to show us concrete proof- facts and figures,- all he talked about was his electric bill, and some tourist sign on a scenic mountain overlook. That was all he had for ‘proof.’
I’d like to see more reliable information before I believe his “2/3s” story.
Where is the solid evidence to back up the longstanding boast that Cape Wind will supply 75 percent of the electric power for Cape Cod?
Someone by the name of ‘Rich’ who comments on the Cape Cod Times LTE webpage has been saying over and over that the wind turbines near Palm Springs, CA;
“…produce 2/3s of the electricity for a population of 400,000 people.”
Every time I asked him to show us concrete proof- facts and figures,- all he talked about was his electric bill, and some tourist sign on a scenic mountain overlook. That was all he had for ‘proof.’
I’d like to see more reliable information before I believe his “2/3s” story.
Where is the solid evidence to back up the longstanding boast that Cape Wind will supply 75 percent of the electric power for Cape Cod?
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In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
Carl,
"Large Scale Wind Farms on Land not Justified, Government Says"
VALLETTA, Malta, March 21, 2007
"The construction of a large scale wind farm on land would not be justified when considering its impact and the electricity generated, Minister Ninu Zammit said."
"In reply to a parliamentary question by Opposition MP Charles Mangion on Tuesday, the Minister for Resources and Infrastructure tabled the report compiled by Mott MacDonald on 'Renewable Energy in Malta'.
Minister Zammit said the report studied a number of sites on land for the generation of electricity from wind and the impacts associated with such wind farms."
"When considering such impacts, and in view of the fact that such a wind farm would only generate 1.06 per cent of electricity consumption in 2010, the Government concluded that the construction of large scale wind farms on land would not be justified."
"Large Scale Wind Farms on Land not Justified, Government Says"
VALLETTA, Malta, March 21, 2007
"The construction of a large scale wind farm on land would not be justified when considering its impact and the electricity generated, Minister Ninu Zammit said."
"In reply to a parliamentary question by Opposition MP Charles Mangion on Tuesday, the Minister for Resources and Infrastructure tabled the report compiled by Mott MacDonald on 'Renewable Energy in Malta'.
Minister Zammit said the report studied a number of sites on land for the generation of electricity from wind and the impacts associated with such wind farms."
"When considering such impacts, and in view of the fact that such a wind farm would only generate 1.06 per cent of electricity consumption in 2010, the Government concluded that the construction of large scale wind farms on land would not be justified."
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In response to: Fighting the lost cause
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
ketpass1,
I will continue to put my trust in what Mr. Anders Eldrup, head of Danish power company DONG, has said about your country’s wind program-
“Wind energy can’t solve the energy problem in the near future because it’s too unstable and possibly too expensive."
I know it is highly popular to spread these claims that 18% to 20% of the power consumed in Denmark comes from wind, but I have far more faith in studies that conclude the figure is really only about 5% to 9%.
Did you see the editorial in Jyllands-Posten in Sept. of 2004 titled "Ud med møllerne" – Out With the Turbines? The editorial recognized that Denmark, “…has placed itself as a frontrunner in regards to utilizing wind energy,” but added, “...it has been done at the cost of nature and with huge public subsidies.”
The editorial uses an interesting term in describing Denmark’s land based turbines. It refers to them as “horrors.”
Is it true that Jyllands-Posten has the largest circulation of any newspaper in Denmark?
I will continue to put my trust in what Mr. Anders Eldrup, head of Danish power company DONG, has said about your country’s wind program-
“Wind energy can’t solve the energy problem in the near future because it’s too unstable and possibly too expensive."
I know it is highly popular to spread these claims that 18% to 20% of the power consumed in Denmark comes from wind, but I have far more faith in studies that conclude the figure is really only about 5% to 9%.
Did you see the editorial in Jyllands-Posten in Sept. of 2004 titled "Ud med møllerne" – Out With the Turbines? The editorial recognized that Denmark, “…has placed itself as a frontrunner in regards to utilizing wind energy,” but added, “...it has been done at the cost of nature and with huge public subsidies.”
The editorial uses an interesting term in describing Denmark’s land based turbines. It refers to them as “horrors.”
Is it true that Jyllands-Posten has the largest circulation of any newspaper in Denmark?
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In response to: Fighting the lost cause
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
ketpass1,
I will answer, but I’m afraid you have the idea I’m critical of Denmark in general, which is not the case at all. I have a long standing interest in your country that goes beyond wind turbines. My concern for Nantucket Sound in fact stems directly from information that came from Denmark- quite a long time ago.
Have you heard of Carl C. Rafn? In his book Antiquitataes Americanae published in Copenhagen in 1837 he presented the theory that “Ancient Scandinavians” had reached Nantucket Sound, where they found, “great shallows… and much ground left dry at ebb tide.”
MIT’s Senior Prof. of Naval Design, William Hovgaard, was another Dane who argued the Norsemen knew about Nantucket Sound. He believed they settled somewhere on its coast for roughly 10 to 20 years. Norwegian Johannes Tornoe proposed proof might be found in Waquoit Bay.
If you or anyone else would like to see more on the subject, send me a message at neilgood@juno.com It’s a tough topic to cover in limited space.
I will answer, but I’m afraid you have the idea I’m critical of Denmark in general, which is not the case at all. I have a long standing interest in your country that goes beyond wind turbines. My concern for Nantucket Sound in fact stems directly from information that came from Denmark- quite a long time ago.
Have you heard of Carl C. Rafn? In his book Antiquitataes Americanae published in Copenhagen in 1837 he presented the theory that “Ancient Scandinavians” had reached Nantucket Sound, where they found, “great shallows… and much ground left dry at ebb tide.”
MIT’s Senior Prof. of Naval Design, William Hovgaard, was another Dane who argued the Norsemen knew about Nantucket Sound. He believed they settled somewhere on its coast for roughly 10 to 20 years. Norwegian Johannes Tornoe proposed proof might be found in Waquoit Bay.
If you or anyone else would like to see more on the subject, send me a message at neilgood@juno.com It’s a tough topic to cover in limited space.
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In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
Newsroom,
About this early victory celebration you are hosting-
If you have really been around, do you remember in the 1980’s when Washburn Island in Falmouth was targeted by developers for a mega real estate project? They planned to build fifty luxury homes, [in a sensitive manner of course]. At the time the island was the last large undeveloped parcel of land on the south coast of Cape Cod. The developers had filed a huge amount of paperwork with the state and town. They produced a full Environmental Impact Statement. They had a few permits and/or approvals all lined up.
They were so confident of success they had started to lay out the new house lots with red survey flags. Many people thought it was a ‘done deal,’ but others fought the project from the beginning.
At the 11th hour, the Mass. DEM and a few other Gov. Agencies stepped in and saved the island from development. Washburn Island is now a state park, with a nice view of Nantucket Sound.
Cape Wind is far from a ‘done deal’ as you say.
About this early victory celebration you are hosting-
If you have really been around, do you remember in the 1980’s when Washburn Island in Falmouth was targeted by developers for a mega real estate project? They planned to build fifty luxury homes, [in a sensitive manner of course]. At the time the island was the last large undeveloped parcel of land on the south coast of Cape Cod. The developers had filed a huge amount of paperwork with the state and town. They produced a full Environmental Impact Statement. They had a few permits and/or approvals all lined up.
They were so confident of success they had started to lay out the new house lots with red survey flags. Many people thought it was a ‘done deal,’ but others fought the project from the beginning.
At the 11th hour, the Mass. DEM and a few other Gov. Agencies stepped in and saved the island from development. Washburn Island is now a state park, with a nice view of Nantucket Sound.
Cape Wind is far from a ‘done deal’ as you say.
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In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
In response to: Much ado about the wind farm - plus a tutorial
Good point mattmesi,
For someone so concerned about saving the planet from the horrors of global warming, toxic air, etc., Chris does not appear to recognize or follow the environmentalist credo- Think Globally, Act Locally.
Chris, Ringo, and all other Cape Wind supporters, should give this short statement from the Cape Cod Commission homepage careful thought-
“In the wake of an unprecedented growth boom in the 1980s, the Cape Cod Commission Act found that the region known as Cape Cod (Barnstable County) possesses unique natural, coastal, historical, cultural, and other values that are threatened by uncoordinated or inappropriate uses of the region's land and other resources.”
For someone so concerned about saving the planet from the horrors of global warming, toxic air, etc., Chris does not appear to recognize or follow the environmentalist credo- Think Globally, Act Locally.
Chris, Ringo, and all other Cape Wind supporters, should give this short statement from the Cape Cod Commission homepage careful thought-
“In the wake of an unprecedented growth boom in the 1980s, the Cape Cod Commission Act found that the region known as Cape Cod (Barnstable County) possesses unique natural, coastal, historical, cultural, and other values that are threatened by uncoordinated or inappropriate uses of the region's land and other resources.”
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In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
Here it is Darktest;
SEC. 388. ALTERNATE ENERGY-RELATED USES ON THE OUTER CONTINENTAL SHELF.
(3) COMPETITIVE OR NONCOMPETITIVE BASIS- Except with respect to projects that meet the criteria established under
section 388(d) of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, the Secretary shall issue a lease, easement, or right-of-way under paragraph (1) on a competitive basis unless the Secretary determines after public notice of a proposed lease, easement, or right-of-way that there is no competitive interest.
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(d) SAVINGS PROVISION.—Nothing in the amendment made by subsection (a) requires the resubmittal of any document that was previously submitted or the reauthorization of any action that was previously authorized with respect to a project for which, before
the date of enactment of this Act—
(1) an offshore test facility has been constructed; or
(2) a request for a proposal has been issued by a public authority.
[Cape Wind had the only offshore test facility in place in the U.S. in 2005]
SEC. 388. ALTERNATE ENERGY-RELATED USES ON THE OUTER CONTINENTAL SHELF.
(3) COMPETITIVE OR NONCOMPETITIVE BASIS- Except with respect to projects that meet the criteria established under
section 388(d) of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, the Secretary shall issue a lease, easement, or right-of-way under paragraph (1) on a competitive basis unless the Secretary determines after public notice of a proposed lease, easement, or right-of-way that there is no competitive interest.
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(d) SAVINGS PROVISION.—Nothing in the amendment made by subsection (a) requires the resubmittal of any document that was previously submitted or the reauthorization of any action that was previously authorized with respect to a project for which, before
the date of enactment of this Act—
(1) an offshore test facility has been constructed; or
(2) a request for a proposal has been issued by a public authority.
[Cape Wind had the only offshore test facility in place in the U.S. in 2005]
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In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
Darktest, I respectfully disagree, especially with your claim that Denmark "quietly produces 20% of their power with no real negatives.” More on that later.
You say above how people, “…look pretty silly when reality sharply disagrees with their stance.”
Darktest, on 02/26/07 your stance, in your own words was-
“There has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!”
The reality?
Paul Gipe’s “Summary of Fatal Accidents in Wind Energy”
“Death by "multiple amputations" sanitizes a truly grisly accident in 1989, a nightmare witnessed by his coworker, who watched helplessly as J. Donnelley was drawn into the nacelle's slowly spinning machinery… Not long after Donnelly's accident near Palm Springs, Dutchman D.Hozeman was killed in a like manner."
Who looks silly now?
You say above how people, “…look pretty silly when reality sharply disagrees with their stance.”
Darktest, on 02/26/07 your stance, in your own words was-
“There has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!”
The reality?
Paul Gipe’s “Summary of Fatal Accidents in Wind Energy”
“Death by "multiple amputations" sanitizes a truly grisly accident in 1989, a nightmare witnessed by his coworker, who watched helplessly as J. Donnelley was drawn into the nacelle's slowly spinning machinery… Not long after Donnelly's accident near Palm Springs, Dutchman D.Hozeman was killed in a like manner."
Who looks silly now?
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In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
"The irreparable ecological damage, loss of amenity and DISTRESSING DIVISIONS within communities caused by commercial wind turbines far outweigh any benefit of their insignificant and unreliable contribution to our energy needs..."
"The tiny, intermittent output of electricity and the negligible CO2 savings cannot possibly justify the huge sacrifice of that most finite resource -- our unspoilt and irreplaceable countryside. It is our duty to protect our rural heritage for present and future generations from such gross and unnecessary industrialization."
— Angela Kelly, Country Guardian, U.K.
"The tiny, intermittent output of electricity and the negligible CO2 savings cannot possibly justify the huge sacrifice of that most finite resource -- our unspoilt and irreplaceable countryside. It is our duty to protect our rural heritage for present and future generations from such gross and unnecessary industrialization."
— Angela Kelly, Country Guardian, U.K.
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In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
If the Cape Cod Times news coverage bothers you in anyway, maybe you should bring it up with them. It doesn’t bother me. Just like the pro-Cape Wind coverage here doesn’t trouble me much at all. It only appears that way.
I actually appreciate what you are doing with C.C.Today. I know there have been a few tense moments, but all things considered, you’ve done a great job giving Cape Wind opponents a chance to speak up. Thank you.
Maybe the Times feels this MMS report, which covers the Programmatic Review for the entire Nation, is NOT a local news story, just as you say above about the-
“…Cambridge start-up's hope to covert coal to NG is not a cape story by any stretch.”
The MMS report on Cape Wind comes later this spring.
I actually appreciate what you are doing with C.C.Today. I know there have been a few tense moments, but all things considered, you’ve done a great job giving Cape Wind opponents a chance to speak up. Thank you.
Maybe the Times feels this MMS report, which covers the Programmatic Review for the entire Nation, is NOT a local news story, just as you say above about the-
“…Cambridge start-up's hope to covert coal to NG is not a cape story by any stretch.”
The MMS report on Cape Wind comes later this spring.
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In response to: Fighting the lost cause
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
ketpass1, isn’t it true that Danes pay substantially more for their electricity than other Europeans?
The following is from a web page titled “The Copenhagen Post.” Do you think I make this stuff up?
[There is no Cape Cod Today newspaper either last time I checked.]
“Energy Giants Think Wind Power is Just Hot Air”
25.01.2007
“The country’s energy companies are not convinced that wind power is the way of the future.”
“Management at Denmark’s energy companies, DONG Energy and Vattenfall, do not subscribe to the current mindset that wind energy will be especially prominent in the future, national public broadcaster DR has reported.”
“The companies believe that coal-powered electricity will still be the largest supplier of the nation’s energy, despite the trend toward environmentally friendly sources.”
‘Wind energy can’t solve the energy problem in the near future because it’s too unstable and possibly too expensive,’ said Anders Eldrup, chief executive of DONG.”
The following is from a web page titled “The Copenhagen Post.” Do you think I make this stuff up?
[There is no Cape Cod Today newspaper either last time I checked.]
“Energy Giants Think Wind Power is Just Hot Air”
25.01.2007
“The country’s energy companies are not convinced that wind power is the way of the future.”
“Management at Denmark’s energy companies, DONG Energy and Vattenfall, do not subscribe to the current mindset that wind energy will be especially prominent in the future, national public broadcaster DR has reported.”
“The companies believe that coal-powered electricity will still be the largest supplier of the nation’s energy, despite the trend toward environmentally friendly sources.”
‘Wind energy can’t solve the energy problem in the near future because it’s too unstable and possibly too expensive,’ said Anders Eldrup, chief executive of DONG.”
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In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
Sammy, are you serious? Go back through the ‘energy’ stories published on CCToday. I could ask you- what does “Renewable New Mexico”; Solar power in Brockton; Wind turbines in other US States, and in London, England, have to do with Cape Cod?
Re-read the story in the Globe-
"...If it can work on a commercial scale, this could be one of the most interesting energy-technology companies in the Commonwealth and, indeed, the entire country," I. Bowles, the Mass. Sec. of Energy and Enviro. affairs, said in an interview. "It has the potential to be a real game-changer for both the coal and nat. gas sectors."
Bowles said he and Gov. Patrick, who have met with key GreatPoint executives, are working to help GreatPoint expand and build a test plant in Massachusetts.
“...it is clear that Massachusetts is one of the places where it makes a lot of commercial sense to locate a project like this."
[Maybe Gov. Patrick will soon learn about the downside to the Cape Wind scheme]
Re-read the story in the Globe-
"...If it can work on a commercial scale, this could be one of the most interesting energy-technology companies in the Commonwealth and, indeed, the entire country," I. Bowles, the Mass. Sec. of Energy and Enviro. affairs, said in an interview. "It has the potential to be a real game-changer for both the coal and nat. gas sectors."
Bowles said he and Gov. Patrick, who have met with key GreatPoint executives, are working to help GreatPoint expand and build a test plant in Massachusetts.
“...it is clear that Massachusetts is one of the places where it makes a lot of commercial sense to locate a project like this."
[Maybe Gov. Patrick will soon learn about the downside to the Cape Wind scheme]
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In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
In response to: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Study now available online
Where is CCT on the story in today's Boston Globe about Clean Coal Power?
What's taking so long!!!
What's taking so long!!!
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In response to: End of the World, etc
In response to: End of the World, etc
Buzz, you are right. We don't need Cape Wind. See this story in today's Boston Globe.
"Plan for clean coal might settle nearby"
By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff
"CAMBRIDGE -- It's not every start-up technology company that has a vision quite this bold:"
"Turn one of the world's dirtiest energy sources, coal, into one of the cleanest, natural gas."
"Although not yet widely publicized, GreatPoint's technology has drawn encouraging attention from some key government and industry leaders."
"...If it can work on a commercial scale, this could be one of the most interesting energy-technology companies in the Commonwealth and, indeed, the entire country," Ian A. Bowles, the Massachusetts secretary of energy and environmental affairs, said in an interview. "It has the potential to be a real game-changer for both the coal and natural gas sectors."
"Plan for clean coal might settle nearby"
By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff
"CAMBRIDGE -- It's not every start-up technology company that has a vision quite this bold:"
"Turn one of the world's dirtiest energy sources, coal, into one of the cleanest, natural gas."
"Although not yet widely publicized, GreatPoint's technology has drawn encouraging attention from some key government and industry leaders."
"...If it can work on a commercial scale, this could be one of the most interesting energy-technology companies in the Commonwealth and, indeed, the entire country," Ian A. Bowles, the Massachusetts secretary of energy and environmental affairs, said in an interview. "It has the potential to be a real game-changer for both the coal and natural gas sectors."
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In response to: Fighting the lost cause
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
For another laugh, google the story about-
“The Hired Hand Who Was Gone With The Wind”
-at Cohocton Wind Watch.
“The Hired Hand Who Was Gone With The Wind”
-at Cohocton Wind Watch.
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In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
Yes Jack, I would have voted for the Canal plant. And I would have voted for the Canal itself. Both projects clearly benefit the public, despite the impacts. That is not the case with so called “wind farms.” Wind energy’s public benefits are highly questionable.
Check out the web page of that other Alliance- the North Texas Wind Resistance Alliance.
I bet most Canal Electric plant ‘haters’ [think of Darktest/Zolgon of the Future’s ‘wind-hater’ shtick], would be surprised to learn the land very near the Canal plant was industrialized as far back as 1850. The Keith Car Company had factory buildings in that area that stretched over one mile. Around 1900 they were the largest employer on Cape Cod, with close to 1400 people building railroad cars.
The Canal plant is an appropriate use in an appropriate place- a base-load power plant on an artifical waterway.
What is the precedent for heavy industry in the center of Nantucket Sound?
Check out the web page of that other Alliance- the North Texas Wind Resistance Alliance.
I bet most Canal Electric plant ‘haters’ [think of Darktest/Zolgon of the Future’s ‘wind-hater’ shtick], would be surprised to learn the land very near the Canal plant was industrialized as far back as 1850. The Keith Car Company had factory buildings in that area that stretched over one mile. Around 1900 they were the largest employer on Cape Cod, with close to 1400 people building railroad cars.
The Canal plant is an appropriate use in an appropriate place- a base-load power plant on an artifical waterway.
What is the precedent for heavy industry in the center of Nantucket Sound?
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In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
Moses,
Surprise! I agree with you about lobbyists!
Read on- this is from the North Texas Wind Resistance Alliance;
“[Wind energy is] a corporate tax-avoidance scam, put in place by bank lobbyists, energy lobbyists, and the late Ken Lay and his Enron Wind subsidiary. Through manipulation in Congress and state legislatures, they have created a guaranteed high-return investment program, heavily subsidized by tax and utility payers, to benefit themselves at the expense of the public. They then market this scheme to the victimized public and gullible politicians as an enviro-friendly "renewable" program, and have the "big" enviro. groups that they support and sustain join in a chorus of approval.”
“This shameful tale is not unique. The corporate and financial interests promoting Wind Energy were helped in Congress by a "renewable energy" alliance with corn-state Senators, and their equally fraudulent, heavily-subsidized "ethanol" replacement for gasoline… Billions have been invested in useless wind turbines.”
Surprise! I agree with you about lobbyists!
Read on- this is from the North Texas Wind Resistance Alliance;
“[Wind energy is] a corporate tax-avoidance scam, put in place by bank lobbyists, energy lobbyists, and the late Ken Lay and his Enron Wind subsidiary. Through manipulation in Congress and state legislatures, they have created a guaranteed high-return investment program, heavily subsidized by tax and utility payers, to benefit themselves at the expense of the public. They then market this scheme to the victimized public and gullible politicians as an enviro-friendly "renewable" program, and have the "big" enviro. groups that they support and sustain join in a chorus of approval.”
“This shameful tale is not unique. The corporate and financial interests promoting Wind Energy were helped in Congress by a "renewable energy" alliance with corn-state Senators, and their equally fraudulent, heavily-subsidized "ethanol" replacement for gasoline… Billions have been invested in useless wind turbines.”
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In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
Moses, you fail to see the big picture from where you sit in Rhode Island.
You might think Nantucket Sound is ideal for Cape Wind’s industrial scheme, but the majority of local people do not. Voters said “No to Cape Wind” in Mashpee in 2005, and on Nantucket island last year. Remember?
Look over these photos of an abandoned wind “farm” in Hawaii.
I wonder what happened to this decommissioning plan?
You might think Nantucket Sound is ideal for Cape Wind’s industrial scheme, but the majority of local people do not. Voters said “No to Cape Wind” in Mashpee in 2005, and on Nantucket island last year. Remember?
Look over these photos of an abandoned wind “farm” in Hawaii.
I wonder what happened to this decommissioning plan?
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In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
In response to: Times reports Cape Wind a big win for area; CG rescues another seaman
Moses,
Have you noticed that in its anti-shipbreaking campaign Greenpeace always emphasizes the importance of saving “beautiful beaches” in India and West Africa?
Do you think that might mean Greenpeace believes aesthetics are important?
Do you think people on Cape Cod, Nantucket and Martha’s Vineyard have the right to be concerned with aesthetics too?
Have you noticed that in its anti-shipbreaking campaign Greenpeace always emphasizes the importance of saving “beautiful beaches” in India and West Africa?
Do you think that might mean Greenpeace believes aesthetics are important?
Do you think people on Cape Cod, Nantucket and Martha’s Vineyard have the right to be concerned with aesthetics too?
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In response to: Fighting the lost cause
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
Interesting, but the WWII stragglers story includes this-
“…suspicion was rising of a hoax…”
Reminds me of the wind power hoax.
Read about it here-
North Texas Wind Resistance Alliance
Promoting the Truth about Wind Energy
nortexwind.org
"Who's behind it?"
"Simply put, it’s a corporate tax-avoidance scam, put in place by banking lobbyists, energy lobbyists, and the late Ken Lay and his Enron Wind subsidiary... they have created a guaranteed high-return investment program, heavily subsidized by taxpayers and utility ratepayers, to benefit themselves at the expense of the public. They then market this scheme to the victimized public and gullible politicians as an environmentally-friendly "renewable energy" program..."
"Billions have been invested in useless wind turbines, while our national electricity infrastructure has been allowed to deteriorate. How much damage can our economy sustain, as we waste our capital on the wind energy hoax?"
“…suspicion was rising of a hoax…”
Reminds me of the wind power hoax.
Read about it here-
North Texas Wind Resistance Alliance
Promoting the Truth about Wind Energy
nortexwind.org
"Who's behind it?"
"Simply put, it’s a corporate tax-avoidance scam, put in place by banking lobbyists, energy lobbyists, and the late Ken Lay and his Enron Wind subsidiary... they have created a guaranteed high-return investment program, heavily subsidized by taxpayers and utility ratepayers, to benefit themselves at the expense of the public. They then market this scheme to the victimized public and gullible politicians as an environmentally-friendly "renewable energy" program..."
"Billions have been invested in useless wind turbines, while our national electricity infrastructure has been allowed to deteriorate. How much damage can our economy sustain, as we waste our capital on the wind energy hoax?"
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In response to: Fighting the lost cause
In response to: Fighting the lost cause
Jack,
Denmark’s wind power policy IS considered to be a failure- in Denmark of all places.
Copenhagen Post, 1/2/07
“Wind Energy’s Hidden Costs”
“The government’s plan to increase the nation’s reliance on green power could expand a black hole that already sucks two billion DKK out of consumers’’ pockets annually."
“The guarantee prices for wind power results in overproduction that costs the state DKK 21.6 billion between 2001 and 2005, according to figures from the National Audit Agency.”
“Uncertainty over whether the wind will blow means Energinet.dk, has to keep a reserve of conventionally produced electricity. That cost is typically passed on to consumers in the form of higher bills.”
“Maintaining that safety net results in a near constant overproduction of electricity, reducing wind power’s share of the total amount used to power Danish homes and factories to 8.3 percent. The unneeded electricity is exported, at a lower price than that paid to windmill owners.”
Denmark’s wind power policy IS considered to be a failure- in Denmark of all places.
Copenhagen Post, 1/2/07
“Wind Energy’s Hidden Costs”
“The government’s plan to increase the nation’s reliance on green power could expand a black hole that already sucks two billion DKK out of consumers’’ pockets annually."
“The guarantee prices for wind power results in overproduction that costs the state DKK 21.6 billion between 2001 and 2005, according to figures from the National Audit Agency.”
“Uncertainty over whether the wind will blow means Energinet.dk, has to keep a reserve of conventionally produced electricity. That cost is typically passed on to consumers in the form of higher bills.”
“Maintaining that safety net results in a near constant overproduction of electricity, reducing wind power’s share of the total amount used to power Danish homes and factories to 8.3 percent. The unneeded electricity is exported, at a lower price than that paid to windmill owners.”
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In response to: Booklist raves about new "Cape Wind" book debut
In response to: Booklist raves about new "Cape Wind" book debut
Wrong Moses, the issues don’t go away. They go farther out to sea, where less harm will be done.
And on that pesky subject of ‘view’, this news story is just in from New Zealand-
“Turbines Intrusive”
March 15, 2007 by Helen Harvey in Manawatu Standard
“A Massey University survey shows that 80 percent of people in Manawatu who live within 3km of wind turbines find them intrusive.”
“And 73 percent think the turbines are unattractive.”
"…(the survey results) could reflect the reality of living with wind turbines as opposed to the ideology of renewable energy."
“A total of 1100 survey forms were delivered, 614 were returned, giving a response rate of 56 percent, Dr Phipps said. This is considered very high for a self-reporting, self-returning survey and suggests a high level of interest."
And on that pesky subject of ‘view’, this news story is just in from New Zealand-
“Turbines Intrusive”
March 15, 2007 by Helen Harvey in Manawatu Standard
“A Massey University survey shows that 80 percent of people in Manawatu who live within 3km of wind turbines find them intrusive.”
“And 73 percent think the turbines are unattractive.”
"…(the survey results) could reflect the reality of living with wind turbines as opposed to the ideology of renewable energy."
“A total of 1100 survey forms were delivered, 614 were returned, giving a response rate of 56 percent, Dr Phipps said. This is considered very high for a self-reporting, self-returning survey and suggests a high level of interest."
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In response to: Booklist raves about new "Cape Wind" book debut
Yes Jack, I have said that, and so have many other people, including one of Cape Wind’s engineers. We talked about it in the lobby of the Tilden Arts Center in 2002. He and I agreed the opposition would probably vanish if Cape Wind relocated to Nantucket Shoals.
There is room for 500 or more of those huge 5 Mw turbines out there. I don’t believe for a moment the technical challenges are too high. The wind speeds are higher and steadier. In the long run, more profit might be made on Nantucket Shoals than on Horseshoe Shoal. [Let’s not kid ourselves- clearing the most profit is the only real motive here. All this talk about clearing the air is just an act.]
How does this strike you- we give all of Nantucket Shoals to Cape Wind lease free for twenty years, and leave Horseshoe Shoal untouched. If that happened, I bet I could adjust and learn to accept off-shore wind power, along with its flaws.
There is room for 500 or more of those huge 5 Mw turbines out there. I don’t believe for a moment the technical challenges are too high. The wind speeds are higher and steadier. In the long run, more profit might be made on Nantucket Shoals than on Horseshoe Shoal. [Let’s not kid ourselves- clearing the most profit is the only real motive here. All this talk about clearing the air is just an act.]
How does this strike you- we give all of Nantucket Shoals to Cape Wind lease free for twenty years, and leave Horseshoe Shoal untouched. If that happened, I bet I could adjust and learn to accept off-shore wind power, along with its flaws.
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In response to: Booklist raves about new "Cape Wind" book debut
In response to: Booklist raves about new "Cape Wind" book debut
“Neil - I guess you've forgotten where the 2nd largest oil spill in US history occurred?”
No, Moses, I haven’t-
Answer- Nantucket Shoals, [not to be confused with Nantucket Sound] the ‘Argo Merchant’, Dec. 15, 1976
Please explain Moses- how does a thirty year old oil spill [that did no long lasting harm by the way] have anything to do with Cape Wind’s plan to turn the center of Nantucket Sound into a private, profit making industrial zone? Cape Wind will foul up the environment twenty four hours a day for the next twenty years or more.
From Wikipedia-
“Fortunately, northwesterly winds blew the 60 by 100 nautical mile (111 × 185 km) oil slick offshore, and coastal fisheries and beaches were spared the worst.”
Moses, do you have a car or truck that runs on gasoline or diesel fuel? Do you have an oil furnace in your basement? Do you personally benefit from fossil fuel but just aren’t able to recognize it?
No, Moses, I haven’t-
Answer- Nantucket Shoals, [not to be confused with Nantucket Sound] the ‘Argo Merchant’, Dec. 15, 1976
Please explain Moses- how does a thirty year old oil spill [that did no long lasting harm by the way] have anything to do with Cape Wind’s plan to turn the center of Nantucket Sound into a private, profit making industrial zone? Cape Wind will foul up the environment twenty four hours a day for the next twenty years or more.
From Wikipedia-
“Fortunately, northwesterly winds blew the 60 by 100 nautical mile (111 × 185 km) oil slick offshore, and coastal fisheries and beaches were spared the worst.”
Moses, do you have a car or truck that runs on gasoline or diesel fuel? Do you have an oil furnace in your basement? Do you personally benefit from fossil fuel but just aren’t able to recognize it?
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In response to: Booklist raves about new "Cape Wind" book debut
In response to: Booklist raves about new "Cape Wind" book debut
The "...looming global warming crisis..," just isn't working out as predicted.
Have you heard about the Arctic expedition highlighting global warming that was called off due to extreme cold?
MINNEAPOLIS - "A North Pole expedition meant to bring attention to global warming was called off after one of the explorers got frostbite. The explorers, Ann Bancroft and Liv Arnesen, on Saturday called off what was intended to be a 530-mile trek across the Arctic Ocean after Arnesen suffered frostbite in three of her toes, and extreme cold temperatures drained the batteries in some of their electronic equipment... there was some irony that a trip to call attention to global warming was scuttled in part by extreme cold temperatures."
If you truly believe the earth is in crisis, and wind power is a solution, search on-line for "The Great Global Warming Swindle."
“This short program, produced and shown in England, destroys the arguments put forward by Al Gore and the human caused Global Warming activists.”
Have you heard about the Arctic expedition highlighting global warming that was called off due to extreme cold?
MINNEAPOLIS - "A North Pole expedition meant to bring attention to global warming was called off after one of the explorers got frostbite. The explorers, Ann Bancroft and Liv Arnesen, on Saturday called off what was intended to be a 530-mile trek across the Arctic Ocean after Arnesen suffered frostbite in three of her toes, and extreme cold temperatures drained the batteries in some of their electronic equipment... there was some irony that a trip to call attention to global warming was scuttled in part by extreme cold temperatures."
If you truly believe the earth is in crisis, and wind power is a solution, search on-line for "The Great Global Warming Swindle."
“This short program, produced and shown in England, destroys the arguments put forward by Al Gore and the human caused Global Warming activists.”
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In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
Google-
"Wind Farm Is Favored in Bill"
Special Language Was Quietly Placed in Act That Exempts Cape Wind From Public Bidding
4/21/06 V. Gazette
The hotly debated Cape Wind project- its backers now basking in the role of underdog over a recent amendment to the U.S. Coast Guard bill - was the direct beneficiary of a special interest provision slipped into the federal Energy Act before it was signed into law last year.
Carefully crafted and written in seamless legislative language, the provision exempted the Cape Wind project from competitive bidding that would apply to all other projects like it. The special interest language, which was added to the bill after it had been approved by the House but before it was voted on by the Senate, saw no public hearings and virtually no debate.
"The exemption from competitive bidding seems clear,"
Longtime observers say the special provision for Cape Wind was a sophisticated job, intended to avoid public scrutiny.
"Wind Farm Is Favored in Bill"
Special Language Was Quietly Placed in Act That Exempts Cape Wind From Public Bidding
4/21/06 V. Gazette
The hotly debated Cape Wind project- its backers now basking in the role of underdog over a recent amendment to the U.S. Coast Guard bill - was the direct beneficiary of a special interest provision slipped into the federal Energy Act before it was signed into law last year.
Carefully crafted and written in seamless legislative language, the provision exempted the Cape Wind project from competitive bidding that would apply to all other projects like it. The special interest language, which was added to the bill after it had been approved by the House but before it was voted on by the Senate, saw no public hearings and virtually no debate.
"The exemption from competitive bidding seems clear,"
Longtime observers say the special provision for Cape Wind was a sophisticated job, intended to avoid public scrutiny.
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In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
Carl, the following is direct from the 2005 Energy Act-
(d) SAVINGS PROVISION.— Nothing in the amendment made by subsection (a) requires the resubmittal of any document that was previously submitted or the reauthorization of any action that was previously authorized with respect to a project for which, before
the date of enactment of this Act—
(1) an offshore test facility has been constructed; or
(2) a request for a proposal has been issued by a public authority.
see page 154 of 550 here-
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:h6enr.txt.pdf
(d) SAVINGS PROVISION.— Nothing in the amendment made by subsection (a) requires the resubmittal of any document that was previously submitted or the reauthorization of any action that was previously authorized with respect to a project for which, before
the date of enactment of this Act—
(1) an offshore test facility has been constructed; or
(2) a request for a proposal has been issued by a public authority.
see page 154 of 550 here-
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:h6enr.txt.pdf
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In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
Chuck & Sammy, if you want to learn about lies and their role in the wind 'power' industry read-
"Wind Energy: Facts and Fiction; A Half Truth is a Whole Lie" by J.A. Halkema.
"This is a very comprehensive critique of wind energy by an engineer who has spent a career in energy generation. He uses the basic laws of physics to show that wind turbines can never be an acceptable means of generating electricity, except in very specific local situations where reliability is not essential."
"The author refers widely to the report Wind Energy 2005, produced by the German energy company E.ON. this is also essential reading in its own right."
"Wind Energy: Facts and Fiction; A Half Truth is a Whole Lie" by J.A. Halkema.
"This is a very comprehensive critique of wind energy by an engineer who has spent a career in energy generation. He uses the basic laws of physics to show that wind turbines can never be an acceptable means of generating electricity, except in very specific local situations where reliability is not essential."
"The author refers widely to the report Wind Energy 2005, produced by the German energy company E.ON. this is also essential reading in its own right."
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In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
“What blows my mind,” said Gladys Vega, executive director of the large Chelsea Collaborative, “is that Cape Wind says that by putting a diesel power plant next to my son’s elementary school, he’s going to be breathing cleaner air..."
"From Clean Power Now to Fossil-fuel Plant"
by Craig Salters
Wednesday, January 31, 2007
"From Clean Power Now to Fossil-fuel Plant"
by Craig Salters
Wednesday, January 31, 2007
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In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
Doug, were you around in Mashpee in May of 2005?-
…when voters said “No” to Cape Wind?
Voters said “No” again on Nantucket in April of last year.
“Nantucket Voters Reject Wind Farm Project”
By Jason Kolnos, C.C.Times, 04/12/2006
“If island voters have their way, wind turbines will never be seen on Nantucket Sound.”
“In a nonbinding referendum yesterday, 66 percent of Nantucket voters opposed the construction of a wind farm in waters near the island.”
”Two-thirds of voters opposed the ballot question's request to ''support the generation of electricity by wind power as proposed for a site in Nantucket Sound.'' Of the 3,409 ballots cast, 2,156 people said no to the referendum.”
…when voters said “No” to Cape Wind?
Voters said “No” again on Nantucket in April of last year.
“Nantucket Voters Reject Wind Farm Project”
By Jason Kolnos, C.C.Times, 04/12/2006
“If island voters have their way, wind turbines will never be seen on Nantucket Sound.”
“In a nonbinding referendum yesterday, 66 percent of Nantucket voters opposed the construction of a wind farm in waters near the island.”
”Two-thirds of voters opposed the ballot question's request to ''support the generation of electricity by wind power as proposed for a site in Nantucket Sound.'' Of the 3,409 ballots cast, 2,156 people said no to the referendum.”
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In response to: Kinetic art, or ugly?
Ringo, you are really out of step with the public’s view of wind mills back home in England-
"WINDFARMS TOP LIST OF UK EYESORES"
BBC News, 11/13/03
“Windfarms are the worst architectural eyesores in Britain, readers of Country Life magazine have declared. Motorways and service stations also rank highly in the poll, which sought nominations on buildings and structures that blight the UK….”
BRITAIN'S 'WORST EYESORES'
1. Windfarms
2. Birmingham New Street station
3. Oxfordshire's Didcot Power Station.
4. Battersea Power Station
5. Electricity pylons
6. 1960s Basingstoke
7. Motorways
8. Knightsbridge Barracks
9. Edinburgh's St James Shopping Centre
10. M1 service stations
"WINDFARMS TOP LIST OF UK EYESORES"
BBC News, 11/13/03
“Windfarms are the worst architectural eyesores in Britain, readers of Country Life magazine have declared. Motorways and service stations also rank highly in the poll, which sought nominations on buildings and structures that blight the UK….”
BRITAIN'S 'WORST EYESORES'
1. Windfarms
2. Birmingham New Street station
3. Oxfordshire's Didcot Power Station.
4. Battersea Power Station
5. Electricity pylons
6. 1960s Basingstoke
7. Motorways
8. Knightsbridge Barracks
9. Edinburgh's St James Shopping Centre
10. M1 service stations
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Good one Capri.
Sammy, ‘ulterior’ does not by dictionary definition always mean “bad”
1: Further, Future: more distant: Remoter: situated on the farther side: Thither
2: going beyond what is openly said or shown and especially what is proper
When I was a kid, going out onto Nantucket Sound was the greatest adventure/experience I could have. Nothing was out there but boats and buoys. Now we have the Cape Wind test tower intruding on the scene.
I hope my kids and their kids can see Nantucket Sound the way I did- and not see a pointless, private-for-profit industrial project in the very center of it.
How would Cape Wind lower gas prices?
Sammy, ‘ulterior’ does not by dictionary definition always mean “bad”
1: Further, Future: more distant: Remoter: situated on the farther side: Thither
2: going beyond what is openly said or shown and especially what is proper
When I was a kid, going out onto Nantucket Sound was the greatest adventure/experience I could have. Nothing was out there but boats and buoys. Now we have the Cape Wind test tower intruding on the scene.
I hope my kids and their kids can see Nantucket Sound the way I did- and not see a pointless, private-for-profit industrial project in the very center of it.
How would Cape Wind lower gas prices?
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C.C.Today,
Isn’t it true that by increasing the number of blogs here you help to generate more “traffic”- more “hits”- and that in turn generates more revenue for you?
I’m not saying that is a bad thing, but is that an ulterior motive behind your offer to host blogs here on CCToday?
Isn’t it true that by increasing the number of blogs here you help to generate more “traffic”- more “hits”- and that in turn generates more revenue for you?
I’m not saying that is a bad thing, but is that an ulterior motive behind your offer to host blogs here on CCToday?
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Large solar projects make little to no sense in the north-east. Example-
“Keeping Taxpayers in the Dark”
7/13/06
ITHACA, NY-- Once again proving that social engineering and taxpayer money shouldn't mix comes this news from Ithaca, NY:
In 1999, the Tompkins County Board of Rep's voted to install solar power on the roof of the county library. (In cold, dark upstate NY.)
It will be paid for with $551,025 of county funds- and $455,514 in grants from the NY State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA) and the U.S. Dept. of Energy.
So, how much power has their system generated since $1,006,539 was spent to install it?
460,124 kilowatt hours since July of 2001.
On the open market 460,124 kWh would cost a commercial user (assuming an astronomically high average price of $0.10 per kWh about $46,000.
Could spending over a million dollars to generate at most $9,358 worth of electricity per year make sense?
“Keeping Taxpayers in the Dark”
7/13/06
ITHACA, NY-- Once again proving that social engineering and taxpayer money shouldn't mix comes this news from Ithaca, NY:
In 1999, the Tompkins County Board of Rep's voted to install solar power on the roof of the county library. (In cold, dark upstate NY.)
It will be paid for with $551,025 of county funds- and $455,514 in grants from the NY State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA) and the U.S. Dept. of Energy.
So, how much power has their system generated since $1,006,539 was spent to install it?
460,124 kilowatt hours since July of 2001.
On the open market 460,124 kWh would cost a commercial user (assuming an astronomically high average price of $0.10 per kWh about $46,000.
Could spending over a million dollars to generate at most $9,358 worth of electricity per year make sense?
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In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Dick,
It’s really great to see you are skeptical about sea level rise and maybe Al Gore’s crusade too. I had my doubts before I got to the theater. He is a nice guy but he lost me when he told the cute story about how he first heard of plate tectonics. It could not have happened that way in the 50’s or 60’s. He does not deserve a ‘pass.’
And on his Oscar-
Last night I found an online ‘open letter’ to Al from some guy named Stephen Bassett. It goes into the L. Rockefeller “Initiative”- very surprising considering you had direct involvement, just as you say above.
Bassett believes Al Gore should have done the “right thing” at the Academy Awards and revealed to the world the truth behind, “...energy and propulsion systems of crashed vehicles of extraterrestrial origin… sequestered in government research facilities… reserved for weaponry, not for global warming response.”
You say your work on this wasn’t about “ETs”, but “intelligence projects.”
Is that just a “deep” cover story?
It’s really great to see you are skeptical about sea level rise and maybe Al Gore’s crusade too. I had my doubts before I got to the theater. He is a nice guy but he lost me when he told the cute story about how he first heard of plate tectonics. It could not have happened that way in the 50’s or 60’s. He does not deserve a ‘pass.’
And on his Oscar-
Last night I found an online ‘open letter’ to Al from some guy named Stephen Bassett. It goes into the L. Rockefeller “Initiative”- very surprising considering you had direct involvement, just as you say above.
Bassett believes Al Gore should have done the “right thing” at the Academy Awards and revealed to the world the truth behind, “...energy and propulsion systems of crashed vehicles of extraterrestrial origin… sequestered in government research facilities… reserved for weaponry, not for global warming response.”
You say your work on this wasn’t about “ETs”, but “intelligence projects.”
Is that just a “deep” cover story?
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In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Dick,
It was entertaining to read your 5:58 pm comment explaining your distaste for personal attacks.
You have elevated that sort of thing to new heights around here, and I dare say you seem to be very proud of it. Here is a sample of what you wrote above, in case you forgot;
“Jim Gordon ….isn't playing rough enough with his critics…. [t]he "usual suspects," dumping out their boilerplate critiques, out-of-context snippets and diatribes laced with personal invective belying their ignorance…[t]hen along comes "this guy,"
This guy would like to ask you a simple question; you deleted Dona’s comments, my comment, and even your own mid-afternoon comment about hurricanes.
Why?
It was entertaining to read your 5:58 pm comment explaining your distaste for personal attacks.
You have elevated that sort of thing to new heights around here, and I dare say you seem to be very proud of it. Here is a sample of what you wrote above, in case you forgot;
“Jim Gordon ….isn't playing rough enough with his critics…. [t]he "usual suspects," dumping out their boilerplate critiques, out-of-context snippets and diatribes laced with personal invective belying their ignorance…[t]hen along comes "this guy,"
This guy would like to ask you a simple question; you deleted Dona’s comments, my comment, and even your own mid-afternoon comment about hurricanes.
Why?
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In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Just below is the comment I posted. It was 'up' for about 20 minutes and then it just vanished into cyberspace.
It was like it happened right before my very eyes. I swear.
I guess the 'truth is out there,' but out of fashion here.
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Dick writes-
“When the Cape gets its Katrina, don't call me, call Durkin or Dona or Neil.”
Ah, Dick…..
What happened to all those predictions- almost guarantees- we heard a while back about “more intense, more frequent,” hurricanes?
It was the mildest period for tropical storms in ten years.
Was it just a dud?
Or was it also a HUGE disappointment for all “doom and gloom” prophets?
What do you think?
It was like it happened right before my very eyes. I swear.
I guess the 'truth is out there,' but out of fashion here.
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Dick writes-
“When the Cape gets its Katrina, don't call me, call Durkin or Dona or Neil.”
Ah, Dick…..
What happened to all those predictions- almost guarantees- we heard a while back about “more intense, more frequent,” hurricanes?
It was the mildest period for tropical storms in ten years.
Was it just a dud?
Or was it also a HUGE disappointment for all “doom and gloom” prophets?
What do you think?
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In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Dick, are you erasing comments or is it someone else?
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In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Dick sez-
“All of this "planet saving" is getting way too serious, if you ask me. Geeze!”
But that’s why you’ve joined us here, isn’t it?
Me, I’d like to see the three Farley/Clinton UFO communications
Or is it all Ultra Top Secret?
Do I need to file a FOIA request?
“All of this "planet saving" is getting way too serious, if you ask me. Geeze!”
But that’s why you’ve joined us here, isn’t it?
Me, I’d like to see the three Farley/Clinton UFO communications
Or is it all Ultra Top Secret?
Do I need to file a FOIA request?
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In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Dick, if you are not a “UFO believer", why would you contact the Clinton White house three times about UFO’s, all independently of that foundation you once worked for?
Were you hoping to get them to release something you also believed was being withheld from the public? Seems to me there is a good story here.
Following is from your blog post above-
“This is a very big deal”
“One of the most fun aspects of having a "blog" in cyberspace is the capacity for discovery and exploration of what other people on our planet are doing and saying, thinking and wondering.”
“…tell us about it, respectfully…”
More on sea rise or fall, ice melting, etc., to follow.
Were you hoping to get them to release something you also believed was being withheld from the public? Seems to me there is a good story here.
Following is from your blog post above-
“This is a very big deal”
“One of the most fun aspects of having a "blog" in cyberspace is the capacity for discovery and exploration of what other people on our planet are doing and saying, thinking and wondering.”
“…tell us about it, respectfully…”
More on sea rise or fall, ice melting, etc., to follow.
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In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
I was not jumping to any conclusions about what you believe in beyond 'wind energy' Dick.
As you say, “Don’t be so prickly!”
That other stuff does sound ‘other worldly.’
As you say, “Don’t be so prickly!”
That other stuff does sound ‘other worldly.’
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In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Dick, are you the same Dick Farley who wrote for the American UFO Newsletter?
Noting personal at all, I’m just interested in learning where you are coming from. Maybe you know…
A Google search found this;
“…one of the Foundation's former staff members, Dick Farley, has made an independent contact with the White House on the UFO subject. Farley wrote me that as of a month ago he had sent three different packets of material that detailed the complete activities of the foundation in support of Mr. Rockefeller and his interest in the declassification of government materials related to the UFO phenomena.”
Noting personal at all, I’m just interested in learning where you are coming from. Maybe you know…
A Google search found this;
“…one of the Foundation's former staff members, Dick Farley, has made an independent contact with the White House on the UFO subject. Farley wrote me that as of a month ago he had sent three different packets of material that detailed the complete activities of the foundation in support of Mr. Rockefeller and his interest in the declassification of government materials related to the UFO phenomena.”
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Dick writes;
“Until... that day,
Our islands wash away.”
”The sea... and Earth,
Will have the final say.”
Dick, what are your thoughts about this overlooked gem, buried in the IPCC’s 2001 report?-
“No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected.”
“Until... that day,
Our islands wash away.”
”The sea... and Earth,
Will have the final say.”
Dick, what are your thoughts about this overlooked gem, buried in the IPCC’s 2001 report?-
“No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected.”
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In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
I’m happy to learn you’ve been on top of the global warming debate for 25 years now Dick.
Getting back to Cape Wind, here’s where we diverge;
You say, “…Cape Wind is simply a potentially better way to generate a lot of electricity.”
L.M. Schwartz in, "Wind- Facts or blowing hot air?" says;
“A single 555-megawatt gas-fired power plant in California generates more electricity in a year than do all 13,000 of the state's wind turbines. The gas-fired plant sits atop a mere 15 acres. The 300-foot-tall windmills impact over a hundred thousand acres to provide expensive, intermittent, insufficient energy."
Getting back to Cape Wind, here’s where we diverge;
You say, “…Cape Wind is simply a potentially better way to generate a lot of electricity.”
L.M. Schwartz in, "Wind- Facts or blowing hot air?" says;
“A single 555-megawatt gas-fired power plant in California generates more electricity in a year than do all 13,000 of the state's wind turbines. The gas-fired plant sits atop a mere 15 acres. The 300-foot-tall windmills impact over a hundred thousand acres to provide expensive, intermittent, insufficient energy."
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In response to: Planetary "conversation" crucial to global survival?
Whole point of the above-
Don't write off Habibullo Abdussamatov too quickly.
Don't write off Habibullo Abdussamatov too quickly.
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Search Google News for “Momentum Has Shifted to Climate Skeptics” Use the “” marks for today’s story from Canada.
Dick, if you had been around 80 years ago I bet you would have also been ridiculing, smugly, A. Wegener and R. Goddard.
Wegener was scorned in 1912 when he published his continental drift theory. Goddard was mocked in the NY Times and elsewhere when he proposed a rocket could reach the moon. The paper printed an apology in 1969. Look for the “Time 100” story on Goddard.
Then Google “Wegener Pangaea”
“…reaction to Wegener's theory was militantly hostile... Wegener ignited a firestorm of rage and rancor. Most of the blistering attacks were aimed at Wegener himself, an outsider who seemed to be attacking the very foundations of geology. Many were sarcastic to the point of insult.”
"Beginning in the mid-1950s, discoveries in paleomagnetism and oceanography finally convinced most scientists that continents do indeed move... Wegener has finally gotten the recognition he deserves.”
Dick, if you had been around 80 years ago I bet you would have also been ridiculing, smugly, A. Wegener and R. Goddard.
Wegener was scorned in 1912 when he published his continental drift theory. Goddard was mocked in the NY Times and elsewhere when he proposed a rocket could reach the moon. The paper printed an apology in 1969. Look for the “Time 100” story on Goddard.
Then Google “Wegener Pangaea”
“…reaction to Wegener's theory was militantly hostile... Wegener ignited a firestorm of rage and rancor. Most of the blistering attacks were aimed at Wegener himself, an outsider who seemed to be attacking the very foundations of geology. Many were sarcastic to the point of insult.”
"Beginning in the mid-1950s, discoveries in paleomagnetism and oceanography finally convinced most scientists that continents do indeed move... Wegener has finally gotten the recognition he deserves.”
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In response to: Cape Wind's president too nice of a guy?
I'm always glad to help out in these difficult times Dick.
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In response to: Cape Wind's president too nice of a guy?
Dick,
The Martians are looking for a leader in their fight against global warming.
You should send them your resume.
Google-
Habibullo Abdussamatov, St. Petersburg Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory, Russia
The Martians are looking for a leader in their fight against global warming.
You should send them your resume.
Google-
Habibullo Abdussamatov, St. Petersburg Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory, Russia
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In response to: Form and Function, Aesthetics and Renewable Energy
In response to: Form and Function, Aesthetics and Renewable Energy
A tremendous effort has been put into downplaying the picture Cape Wind would create for beachgoers, but that only obscures the real issue here.
Regardless of where a person stands- 5 or 500 miles away- a private, for profit power plant, of any kind, just does not belong in the center of Nantucket Sound.
Here is a lead to the official photo archive for the Nysted, Denmark power plant.
Tinyurl.com/2bbkq2
Take a close look.
Regardless of where a person stands- 5 or 500 miles away- a private, for profit power plant, of any kind, just does not belong in the center of Nantucket Sound.
Here is a lead to the official photo archive for the Nysted, Denmark power plant.
Tinyurl.com/2bbkq2
Take a close look.
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In response to: The Alliance takes on another target
In response to: The Alliance takes on another target
Huge Manatee,
I got up early this morning and checked the Cape Wind data tower page. I’m concerned. I’d like to switch on my coffee maker but wind speeds are down to 1 knot, winds gusts are 2 knots, and the estimated output of the Cape Wind project is back down to Zero [0] mega-watts.
That’s wind power for you- always fickle, always undependable.
Jack, I’m sure you know sailboats are usually equipped with fossil fueled back up power to help overcome this problem.
I got up early this morning and checked the Cape Wind data tower page. I’m concerned. I’d like to switch on my coffee maker but wind speeds are down to 1 knot, winds gusts are 2 knots, and the estimated output of the Cape Wind project is back down to Zero [0] mega-watts.
That’s wind power for you- always fickle, always undependable.
Jack, I’m sure you know sailboats are usually equipped with fossil fueled back up power to help overcome this problem.
neil good [Member]
In response to: The Alliance takes on another target
In response to: The Alliance takes on another target
the huge manatee says-
“Neil Good, when are you going to make one single statement that makes sense?”
How’s this-
Wind power is completely undependable.
Ask anyone who owns a sailboat.
“Neil Good, when are you going to make one single statement that makes sense?”
How’s this-
Wind power is completely undependable.
Ask anyone who owns a sailboat.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Two oil giants plunge into the wind business
In response to: Two oil giants plunge into the wind business
Buzz, many people believe the electric wind turbine industry is still in its infancy, but that’s not the case at all. Charles Brush got it started here in the USA in a rather big way in the 1880s. The Danish got involved in the 1890s. Ever since then engineers around the world have worked hard to make wind turbines more efficient and ‘appealing.’ Minor advances might be made, but basic laws of physics prevent turbines from extracting much more than 37 percent of the kinetic energy in wind. That’s unlikely to change much, if at all.
I believe the comparison with giant Airship development is entirely fair. For about thirty years supporters thought ‘Zeppelins’ were the way of the future. Ultimately the technology proved to be too expensive and ‘problematic.’ The Airship ‘business’ was kept alive in England with subsides. History does repeat itself.
I bet that in about fifteen or twenty years, large scale wind turbines will fall out of favor too.
I believe the comparison with giant Airship development is entirely fair. For about thirty years supporters thought ‘Zeppelins’ were the way of the future. Ultimately the technology proved to be too expensive and ‘problematic.’ The Airship ‘business’ was kept alive in England with subsides. History does repeat itself.
I bet that in about fifteen or twenty years, large scale wind turbines will fall out of favor too.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Two oil giants plunge into the wind business
In response to: Two oil giants plunge into the wind business
Buzz, Capemom,
Look for this BCC News video clip on YouTube-
Search Terms-
"Windpower Failure"
"Wind turbines are not as efficient as first predicted."
The British are also discovering what a business sham wind 'energy' is turning out to be.
Look for this BCC News video clip on YouTube-
Search Terms-
"Windpower Failure"
"Wind turbines are not as efficient as first predicted."
The British are also discovering what a business sham wind 'energy' is turning out to be.
neil good [Member]
In response to: The Alliance takes on another target
In response to: The Alliance takes on another target
And at this moment, as reported by Cape Wind Associates, wind speeds on Nantucket Sound are…
2 knots,
Wind gusts are 3 knots,
And if the Cape Wind “project” was “operating”...
...it would be producing all of ZERO [0] megawatts of “clean, local, renewable energy.”
Now aren’t you glad you can rely on the Canal Plant for your electricity?
You could never do that with Cape Wind.
2 knots,
Wind gusts are 3 knots,
And if the Cape Wind “project” was “operating”...
...it would be producing all of ZERO [0] megawatts of “clean, local, renewable energy.”
Now aren’t you glad you can rely on the Canal Plant for your electricity?
You could never do that with Cape Wind.
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In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
Oh, and I have a valid question-
How does "Manatee" get to break the rules by commenting three times in a row?
How does "Manatee" get to break the rules by commenting three times in a row?
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In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
Be careful with those cracks about who looks constipated Krista.
Manatee might report you.
Manatee might report you.
neil good [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
Manatee,
Fear mongering is done best here on CCToday Take this headline for example-
"The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change"
“...don’t miss this special opportunity to find out how Cape Cod will be affected and what you can do to help make a difference.”
'Ringo', 'Chuck' and 'Sammy'-
You are all true cowards. Why can't you use your real names?
Fear mongering is done best here on CCToday Take this headline for example-
"The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change"
“...don’t miss this special opportunity to find out how Cape Cod will be affected and what you can do to help make a difference.”
'Ringo', 'Chuck' and 'Sammy'-
You are all true cowards. Why can't you use your real names?
neil good [Member]
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Darktest claims-
“There has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!.”
“Please, post any research to dispute these facts.”
OK Darktest, here goes-
The following is from- “A Summary of Fatal Accidents in Wind Energy” by P. Gipe.
"When wind kills, it does so directly, and with gruesome effect…"
"Since the 1970s, wind energy has directly or indirectly killed 20 people worldwide. T. McCartney fell to his death near Conrad, MT in the mid 1970s, followed by T. Mehrkam, killed in late 1981 near Boulevard, CA..."
P. Acker was killed near Bushland, TX,
J. Madsen was electrocuted in Denmark.
In 1983 E. Wright rode an experimental wind turbine to his death when it fell over near Palm Springs, CA.
In 1984 A. Gomez was killed in San Gorgonio Pass, J. Doucette was crushed to death while unloading towers in the Altamont Pass...
[Convinced yet? There are many more 'incidents' to add if you are not.]
“There has never been an incident of a wind turbine harming ANYONE! EVER! FACT!.”
“Please, post any research to dispute these facts.”
OK Darktest, here goes-
The following is from- “A Summary of Fatal Accidents in Wind Energy” by P. Gipe.
"When wind kills, it does so directly, and with gruesome effect…"
"Since the 1970s, wind energy has directly or indirectly killed 20 people worldwide. T. McCartney fell to his death near Conrad, MT in the mid 1970s, followed by T. Mehrkam, killed in late 1981 near Boulevard, CA..."
P. Acker was killed near Bushland, TX,
J. Madsen was electrocuted in Denmark.
In 1983 E. Wright rode an experimental wind turbine to his death when it fell over near Palm Springs, CA.
In 1984 A. Gomez was killed in San Gorgonio Pass, J. Doucette was crushed to death while unloading towers in the Altamont Pass...
[Convinced yet? There are many more 'incidents' to add if you are not.]
neil good [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
In response to: Cape Cod Chamber ad scares away visitors
Capemom, CCToday,
Wind power is not nearly as popular in Palm Springs as you might think.
As a matter of fact, their own Chamber of Commerce has a problem with it.
The following quote is direct from the owner of a Palm Springs wind turbine supply company-
“...the big tourist attraction in Palm Springs is golf. The chamber of commerce tries to keep us from mentioning wind.”
Wind power is not nearly as popular in Palm Springs as you might think.
As a matter of fact, their own Chamber of Commerce has a problem with it.
The following quote is direct from the owner of a Palm Springs wind turbine supply company-
“...the big tourist attraction in Palm Springs is golf. The chamber of commerce tries to keep us from mentioning wind.”
neil good [Member]
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Darktest,
Remember, crude oil is 100 percent natural.
Oil haters are an interesting group.
While you get ready to drive your veggie Volvo ask yourself this question-
Could the Volvo company or any other industrial organization exist without the energy [the reliable kind] and other ‘products’ derived from oil and other fossil fuel?
And when you do hit the road, think about your tires and the asphalt they run on. Do you know what tires and asphalt are made from?
Google a few words of the text below and read the full ‘oily’ essay written by Max Schulz, from the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research.
"...simplistic claims denouncing our use of oil add little that's positive to the public discussions on energy..."
"...Oil has revolutionized transportation, mobility, and industrial productivity, transforming society (for the better) in a manner that would have seemed impossible to those on the scene when crude was first spotted in Pennsylvania in 1859."
Remember, crude oil is 100 percent natural.
Oil haters are an interesting group.
While you get ready to drive your veggie Volvo ask yourself this question-
Could the Volvo company or any other industrial organization exist without the energy [the reliable kind] and other ‘products’ derived from oil and other fossil fuel?
And when you do hit the road, think about your tires and the asphalt they run on. Do you know what tires and asphalt are made from?
Google a few words of the text below and read the full ‘oily’ essay written by Max Schulz, from the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research.
"...simplistic claims denouncing our use of oil add little that's positive to the public discussions on energy..."
"...Oil has revolutionized transportation, mobility, and industrial productivity, transforming society (for the better) in a manner that would have seemed impossible to those on the scene when crude was first spotted in Pennsylvania in 1859."
neil good [Member]
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Darktest,
This is not a good time to be promoting wind power. For about three days straight, wind speeds on Nantucket Sound have been very low or flat calm. Right now the Cape Wind test tower page reports the ‘project’ would be producing ZERO watts. In fact the ‘project’ would be burning HUGE amounts of power, [supplied by reliable, conventional, power plants,] just to keep the navigational lights flashing.
Quote to consider-
“The irreparable ecological damage, loss of amenity and distressing divisions within communities caused by commercial wind turbines far outweigh any benefit of their insignificant and unreliable contribution to our energy needs.”
— Angela Kelly, Country Guardian, U.K.
Darktest, you really believe oil is 'Evil'?
Do you drive?- or always push your car?
This is not a good time to be promoting wind power. For about three days straight, wind speeds on Nantucket Sound have been very low or flat calm. Right now the Cape Wind test tower page reports the ‘project’ would be producing ZERO watts. In fact the ‘project’ would be burning HUGE amounts of power, [supplied by reliable, conventional, power plants,] just to keep the navigational lights flashing.
Quote to consider-
“The irreparable ecological damage, loss of amenity and distressing divisions within communities caused by commercial wind turbines far outweigh any benefit of their insignificant and unreliable contribution to our energy needs.”
— Angela Kelly, Country Guardian, U.K.
Darktest, you really believe oil is 'Evil'?
Do you drive?- or always push your car?
neil good [Member]
In response to: Governor Patrick confident in Cape Wind process
In response to: Governor Patrick confident in Cape Wind process
Gov. Patrick should listen to what Australian Agriculture Minister Peter McGauran has said about wind 'farms'-
“...they don't live up to the hype that they are an environmental saviour and a serious alternate energy source. The effect they can have on their neighbours are so serious it means they should not be allowed to get away with the exaggerated claims- their claims are fraudulent.”
“...they don't live up to the hype that they are an environmental saviour and a serious alternate energy source. The effect they can have on their neighbours are so serious it means they should not be allowed to get away with the exaggerated claims- their claims are fraudulent.”
neil good [Member]
In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
Al gores the truth in so many ways.
He invented a story for his movie about how a school kid and a teacher battled over the continental drift theory. Al’s credibility completely drifted away at that point.
He is warm and fuzzy, but the guy is just not believable. He will go far in Hollywood.
He invented a story for his movie about how a school kid and a teacher battled over the continental drift theory. Al’s credibility completely drifted away at that point.
He is warm and fuzzy, but the guy is just not believable. He will go far in Hollywood.
neil good [Member]
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Darktest,
I believe every day more people learn that wind ‘power’ is a total sham designed to benefit only the developers and turbine manufacturers. I believe wind ‘power’ creates far more problems than it can ever “solve.”
I believe it is surprising to see Denmark- “Wind Turbine Shangri-La”- is doing more to expose the wind power myth than any other country.
I believe that is why you are so angry.
I believe most renewable energy supporters are hypocrites. They complain about fossil fuels but then they gas up their cars and expect the lights to burn 24 hours a day.
Let’s say a twenty year supply of natural gas was discovered underneath Nantucket Sound, and you overcame your fear and loathing of fossil fuels- came to your senses in other words.
Would you approve of a “private, for-profit” plan by Exxon-Mobil, a new ‘Enron Co.’ or Energy Management Inc., to build 130 towers, 240 feet tall, in the center of the Sound?
And would you call their new industrial complex a ‘Park’??
I believe every day more people learn that wind ‘power’ is a total sham designed to benefit only the developers and turbine manufacturers. I believe wind ‘power’ creates far more problems than it can ever “solve.”
I believe it is surprising to see Denmark- “Wind Turbine Shangri-La”- is doing more to expose the wind power myth than any other country.
I believe that is why you are so angry.
I believe most renewable energy supporters are hypocrites. They complain about fossil fuels but then they gas up their cars and expect the lights to burn 24 hours a day.
Let’s say a twenty year supply of natural gas was discovered underneath Nantucket Sound, and you overcame your fear and loathing of fossil fuels- came to your senses in other words.
Would you approve of a “private, for-profit” plan by Exxon-Mobil, a new ‘Enron Co.’ or Energy Management Inc., to build 130 towers, 240 feet tall, in the center of the Sound?
And would you call their new industrial complex a ‘Park’??
neil good [Member]
In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
"Al Gore Mansion Uses 20X Average Household; Consumption Increase After 'Truth' Movie."
Feb 26 2007
"The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy solutions, issued a press release late Monday:"
"Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy."
"Gore’s mansion, [20-rooms, eight-bathrooms] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES)."
"In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home..."
Feb 26 2007
"The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy solutions, issued a press release late Monday:"
"Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy."
"Gore’s mansion, [20-rooms, eight-bathrooms] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES)."
"In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home..."
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In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
"Dong & Vattenfall Say Wind Energy is Unstable"
Jyllands-Posten, 19 Jan 2007
"Dong Energy and Vattenfall aim to continue to invest in coal power stations in future. Dong Energy's MD Anders Eldrup regards wind energy as too unstable and too expensive. Vattenfall's Communications Manager Marianne Grydgaard says coal power is necessary during an interim period and claims that it is UNREALISTIC to believe that wind power can outpace other forms of energy within the next ten years."
[Emphasis added]
Jyllands-Posten, 19 Jan 2007
"Dong Energy and Vattenfall aim to continue to invest in coal power stations in future. Dong Energy's MD Anders Eldrup regards wind energy as too unstable and too expensive. Vattenfall's Communications Manager Marianne Grydgaard says coal power is necessary during an interim period and claims that it is UNREALISTIC to believe that wind power can outpace other forms of energy within the next ten years."
[Emphasis added]
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In response to: Cape Wind president receives warm welcome
In response to: Cape Wind president receives warm welcome
It’s far from over Newsgal. Where did you get the idea I'm mad? On the other hand, you sure seem to be.
What is truly silly is to believe wind power will be a significant source of cheap energy in the future.
It’s like believing Clipper Ships will make a comeback
What is truly silly is to believe wind power will be a significant source of cheap energy in the future.
It’s like believing Clipper Ships will make a comeback
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In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
NEW RESEARCH EXPLAINS WIND TURBINE NOISE PROBLEMS
"In a major new article published in the Journal of Sound and Vibration,
G. Van den Berg, a physicist at the University of Groningen in the Netherlands, believes that he has at last explained the mystery of why modern onshore wind turbines can cause noise problems for residents at distances of a mile or more. Van den Berg measured sound around the Rhede wind-farm on the Dutch/German border. “Residents reacted strongly to the noise... particularly at night. Yet, conventional wind industry calculations have assumed that turbines would present no noise problem over 500m. After extensive measurements, Van den Berg discovered that the methods used by wind turbine developers to predict noise are seriously flawed….”
“As Van den Berg has said, we are all very much in favour of renewable energy, but it is extremely important that the truth about any turbine noise problems is made public... Experiences across Europe suggest that there are problems with turbine noise,"
"In a major new article published in the Journal of Sound and Vibration,
G. Van den Berg, a physicist at the University of Groningen in the Netherlands, believes that he has at last explained the mystery of why modern onshore wind turbines can cause noise problems for residents at distances of a mile or more. Van den Berg measured sound around the Rhede wind-farm on the Dutch/German border. “Residents reacted strongly to the noise... particularly at night. Yet, conventional wind industry calculations have assumed that turbines would present no noise problem over 500m. After extensive measurements, Van den Berg discovered that the methods used by wind turbine developers to predict noise are seriously flawed….”
“As Van den Berg has said, we are all very much in favour of renewable energy, but it is extremely important that the truth about any turbine noise problems is made public... Experiences across Europe suggest that there are problems with turbine noise,"
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In response to: Cape Wind president receives warm welcome
In response to: Cape Wind president receives warm welcome
Quotes from Wind power skeptic Jon Boone-
“Cape Wind's turbines are much more functional (and lucrative) as corporate tax avoidance generators than they are as environmentally friendly producers of energy, symbolic not of a more enlightened energy future but rather of our continuing attraction to the forces of ignorance and greed.”
“Carl Sagan said “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.” I have never seen an independent peer-reviewed analysis in a reputable scientific publication substantiating any of the claims made for windpower. Reports from wind developers, their trade association, and from the Renewable Energy Lab, all of which stand to gain from the "enhancement" of wind technology, do not stem from the rigorous "science" enabling good public policy.”
“Industrial wind is almost the perfect enterprise for our era, as it produces no meaningful product or service but is subsidized up to 80 percent by rate and tax payers. Like many "celebrities," it is famous for being famous, not for its actual performance.”
“Cape Wind's turbines are much more functional (and lucrative) as corporate tax avoidance generators than they are as environmentally friendly producers of energy, symbolic not of a more enlightened energy future but rather of our continuing attraction to the forces of ignorance and greed.”
“Carl Sagan said “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.” I have never seen an independent peer-reviewed analysis in a reputable scientific publication substantiating any of the claims made for windpower. Reports from wind developers, their trade association, and from the Renewable Energy Lab, all of which stand to gain from the "enhancement" of wind technology, do not stem from the rigorous "science" enabling good public policy.”
“Industrial wind is almost the perfect enterprise for our era, as it produces no meaningful product or service but is subsidized up to 80 percent by rate and tax payers. Like many "celebrities," it is famous for being famous, not for its actual performance.”
neil good [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
Maybe news-gal went to plagiarism school with New York Times news-guy Jayson Blair.
N.Y.Times headline from the Rather-Gate era also comes to mind;
“Memos Are Fake but Accurate”
N.Y.Times headline from the Rather-Gate era also comes to mind;
“Memos Are Fake but Accurate”
neil good [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
News-gal,
If the harpies are so wrong, and you are so right, why do you need to hide your real identity?
If the harpies are so wrong, and you are so right, why do you need to hide your real identity?
neil good [Member]
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
Buzz,
I’m completely convinced the benefits of wind energy are purely imaginary or grossly over-rated.
Large scale wind power projects provide only redundant and unreliable power. It is always ”hit or miss” with wind energy, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
Take a good look into the intermittency/backup problem.
Right now for example, Cape Wind would be generating ZERO kilowatts. How would you or I benefit if Cape Wind was up and [not] running?
Nantucket Sound should NOT be handed over to a private developer who is primarily interested in making easy money. I really have nothing personal against J. Gordon by the way. I do wish he and his supporters were able to acknowledge that opponents have a genuine right, almost a duty, to oppose him.
Great quote from Germany;
“Soon we ‘celebrate’ the 20,000th wind plant, without replacing even one single small plant of conventional energy.”
I’m completely convinced the benefits of wind energy are purely imaginary or grossly over-rated.
Large scale wind power projects provide only redundant and unreliable power. It is always ”hit or miss” with wind energy, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
Take a good look into the intermittency/backup problem.
Right now for example, Cape Wind would be generating ZERO kilowatts. How would you or I benefit if Cape Wind was up and [not] running?
Nantucket Sound should NOT be handed over to a private developer who is primarily interested in making easy money. I really have nothing personal against J. Gordon by the way. I do wish he and his supporters were able to acknowledge that opponents have a genuine right, almost a duty, to oppose him.
Great quote from Germany;
“Soon we ‘celebrate’ the 20,000th wind plant, without replacing even one single small plant of conventional energy.”
neil good [Member]
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
In response to: Romney's Bigger Problem on the Homefront
Capemom,
There was a time when the development of giant airships was also widely believed to be ‘progressive’ and ‘important.’
Parallels with today’s infatuation with wind power do not stop there. Airships and wind turbines both had/have that “…Wow!...” factor on their side. They were/are both “big”, “impressive” and “showy.”
In the 1920s and 30s promoters thought that airships would replace the airplane on long distance flights. For a few years more investment was made in airship development than in ‘heavier-than-air’ technology. [“…wind energy is the fastest growing… blah-blah…”] Misguided government subsidies played a role back then, just as they do today with wind power.
'Lighter-than-Air” technology “succeeded” to some extent, but in the end giant airships proved to be impractical from an engineering standpoint. The unpredictability of Mother Nature played a big role in their demise too.
Wind power is heading in the same direction.
When was the last time you rode on a Zeppelin?
There was a time when the development of giant airships was also widely believed to be ‘progressive’ and ‘important.’
Parallels with today’s infatuation with wind power do not stop there. Airships and wind turbines both had/have that “…Wow!...” factor on their side. They were/are both “big”, “impressive” and “showy.”
In the 1920s and 30s promoters thought that airships would replace the airplane on long distance flights. For a few years more investment was made in airship development than in ‘heavier-than-air’ technology. [“…wind energy is the fastest growing… blah-blah…”] Misguided government subsidies played a role back then, just as they do today with wind power.
'Lighter-than-Air” technology “succeeded” to some extent, but in the end giant airships proved to be impractical from an engineering standpoint. The unpredictability of Mother Nature played a big role in their demise too.
Wind power is heading in the same direction.
When was the last time you rode on a Zeppelin?
neil good [Member]
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
In response to: Patrick, Gordon at Apollo Alliance Summit; Was King Philip a betting man? Monomoy sunrise video
Buzz,
Capri does help the environment.
Jim G. hopes you will help him exploit it.
They have nothing in common.
Capri does help the environment.
Jim G. hopes you will help him exploit it.
They have nothing in common.
neil good [Member]
In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
No doubt the speaker will spend a LOT of time talking about all the dire predictions coming from the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change- the IPCC.
The present and future ‘catastrophic’ rise in sea level is always a favorite topic at these doom and gloom get-togethers, especially on Cape Cod. But hidden in the fine print is this tidbit of info direct from the IPCC’s 2001 report- and nothing has changed since-
“No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected.”
So why all the hysteria?
Charlton Heston and special effects people carved a path through the Red Sea in ‘The Ten Commandments.’ Cape Wind is planning to lower sea level in Nantucket Sound with help from General Electric.
The present and future ‘catastrophic’ rise in sea level is always a favorite topic at these doom and gloom get-togethers, especially on Cape Cod. But hidden in the fine print is this tidbit of info direct from the IPCC’s 2001 report- and nothing has changed since-
“No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected.”
So why all the hysteria?
Charlton Heston and special effects people carved a path through the Red Sea in ‘The Ten Commandments.’ Cape Wind is planning to lower sea level in Nantucket Sound with help from General Electric.
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In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Darktest/Zolgon,
You write;
“So, because some people THINK that wind power is not the way of the future, it ISN'T?”
Those people were not just picked off the street at random. They are Danish power company executives, who work with wind power daily- hour to hour- minute to minute.
Denmark- Remember? Windmill Utopia?
If THEY don’t believe in the future of wind power why should ANYONE believe in it?
Check out Kirby Mountain Blog Feb. 02/07
“The U.S. Energy Information Agency generously projects that wind will produce 0.89% of the total electricity generated in 2030. This is 22% lower than their previous year's projection. Of course even that ignores the fact that other sources have to burn extra fuel in the effort of balancing wind's intermittent and highly variable infeed.”
Sorry Zolgon, Nantucket Sound should NOT become a ‘proving ground’ for technology that has already been shown to be so faulty by the people who know it best- Danish power company officials.
You write;
“So, because some people THINK that wind power is not the way of the future, it ISN'T?”
Those people were not just picked off the street at random. They are Danish power company executives, who work with wind power daily- hour to hour- minute to minute.
Denmark- Remember? Windmill Utopia?
If THEY don’t believe in the future of wind power why should ANYONE believe in it?
Check out Kirby Mountain Blog Feb. 02/07
“The U.S. Energy Information Agency generously projects that wind will produce 0.89% of the total electricity generated in 2030. This is 22% lower than their previous year's projection. Of course even that ignores the fact that other sources have to burn extra fuel in the effort of balancing wind's intermittent and highly variable infeed.”
Sorry Zolgon, Nantucket Sound should NOT become a ‘proving ground’ for technology that has already been shown to be so faulty by the people who know it best- Danish power company officials.
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In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Darktest,
You say, “…to truly believe that wind power does not work is to accept these truths: J. Gordon has bribed, or blackmailed army corp of engineers, Denmarks power agencies, [cut],… to erect a windfarm that can't or won't work,...”
Darktest, here is a recent story from Denmark, about some of Denmark’s power agencies-
Copenhagen Post, 1/25/07
“Energy Giants Think Wind Power is Just Hot Air”
“The country’s energy companies are not convinced that wind power is the way of the future.”
“Management at Denmark’s energy companies, DONG Energy and Vattenfall, do not subscribe to the current mindset that wind energy will be especially prominent in the future, national broadcaster DR has reported.”
“The companies believe that coal will still be the largest supplier of the nation’s energy, despite the trend toward environmentally friendly sources.”
"Wind energy can’t solve the energy problem in the near future because it’s too unstable, said A. Eldrup, CEO of DONG."
You say, “…to truly believe that wind power does not work is to accept these truths: J. Gordon has bribed, or blackmailed army corp of engineers, Denmarks power agencies, [cut],… to erect a windfarm that can't or won't work,...”
Darktest, here is a recent story from Denmark, about some of Denmark’s power agencies-
Copenhagen Post, 1/25/07
“Energy Giants Think Wind Power is Just Hot Air”
“The country’s energy companies are not convinced that wind power is the way of the future.”
“Management at Denmark’s energy companies, DONG Energy and Vattenfall, do not subscribe to the current mindset that wind energy will be especially prominent in the future, national broadcaster DR has reported.”
“The companies believe that coal will still be the largest supplier of the nation’s energy, despite the trend toward environmentally friendly sources.”
"Wind energy can’t solve the energy problem in the near future because it’s too unstable, said A. Eldrup, CEO of DONG."
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In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
In response to: The Vanishing Cape: A Lecture on Climate Change
“World wide crisis” ??
“…find out how Cape Cod will be affected and what you can do to help make a difference.” ??
Before you go, read what Dr. Graham Giese of WHOI wrote in 1974 in “The Eroding Shores of Outer Cape Cod,” a small book published by the Assoc. for the Preservation of Cape Cod.
“Cape Cod is a temporary, steadily diminishing glacial deposit whose shores have been subject to submergence by a rising sea level since its creation some 15,000 years ago. Nothing that man can ever do, intentionally or unintentionally, will change the fact that Cape Cod is slowly submerging. The erosion of our shores is but a tiny part of the great cycle of earth dynamics.”
Of course this was written long before people started believing in ‘we’re all goners’ Gore.
“…find out how Cape Cod will be affected and what you can do to help make a difference.” ??
Before you go, read what Dr. Graham Giese of WHOI wrote in 1974 in “The Eroding Shores of Outer Cape Cod,” a small book published by the Assoc. for the Preservation of Cape Cod.
“Cape Cod is a temporary, steadily diminishing glacial deposit whose shores have been subject to submergence by a rising sea level since its creation some 15,000 years ago. Nothing that man can ever do, intentionally or unintentionally, will change the fact that Cape Cod is slowly submerging. The erosion of our shores is but a tiny part of the great cycle of earth dynamics.”
Of course this was written long before people started believing in ‘we’re all goners’ Gore.
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In response to: Environmental Group spurns Alliance
In response to: Environmental Group spurns Alliance
Voter A,
Maybe you will be surprised to learn that even Paul Gipe, a major supporter of wind power, is opposed to the production tax credit.
Not surprised?
I was.
Maybe you will be surprised to learn that even Paul Gipe, a major supporter of wind power, is opposed to the production tax credit.
Not surprised?
I was.
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In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Darktest/Zolgon,
There is not enough time to respond to all the above, but I will later.
You are violating the CCToday rules by posting three times in a row.
See- “CCToday writes:”
“Please read the Commenting Rules.”
”…we do not allow a second comment by the same commenter unless or until their first comment is answered. This is to prevent one voice from dominating a post.”
02/18/07 @ 10:16 am
There is not enough time to respond to all the above, but I will later.
You are violating the CCToday rules by posting three times in a row.
See- “CCToday writes:”
“Please read the Commenting Rules.”
”…we do not allow a second comment by the same commenter unless or until their first comment is answered. This is to prevent one voice from dominating a post.”
02/18/07 @ 10:16 am
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In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
The best typo is at the top of the page-
“When I visited Denmark a similar wind farm looed like this.”
“When I visited Denmark a similar wind farm looed like this.”
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In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Darktest/Zolgon,
The notion that Denmark gets 20% of its electrical power from the thousands of turbines that scar its landscape is modern mythology.
“West Danish wind power – lessons for the UK”
Dr. V.C. Mason
“...During 2003, the annual production of renewable energy (mainly wind power) in the region was numerically equivalent to about 20.7% of power demand. However, at its times of generation, about 84% of the wind power was surplus to local demand and had to be exported to the much larger power systems of Norway, Sweden and/or Germany, primarily to maintain stability of frequency and voltage in the Danish grid. This implies that over the period of 2003 under 4% of the region’s demand for electrical power was directly provided by wind resources, the bulk of requirements being met by carbon-emitting central and local CHP generators, some of which operated sub-optimally as backup for the wind power for much of the time.”
The notion that Denmark gets 20% of its electrical power from the thousands of turbines that scar its landscape is modern mythology.
“West Danish wind power – lessons for the UK”
Dr. V.C. Mason
“...During 2003, the annual production of renewable energy (mainly wind power) in the region was numerically equivalent to about 20.7% of power demand. However, at its times of generation, about 84% of the wind power was surplus to local demand and had to be exported to the much larger power systems of Norway, Sweden and/or Germany, primarily to maintain stability of frequency and voltage in the Danish grid. This implies that over the period of 2003 under 4% of the region’s demand for electrical power was directly provided by wind resources, the bulk of requirements being met by carbon-emitting central and local CHP generators, some of which operated sub-optimally as backup for the wind power for much of the time.”
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In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Capemom,
Money is the sole motivation here. The alleged ‘benefits’ being ‘offered’ to the public are grossly exaggerated or just plain imaginary.
It’s sad to find otherwise intelligent people can be so naïve.
Money is the sole motivation here. The alleged ‘benefits’ being ‘offered’ to the public are grossly exaggerated or just plain imaginary.
It’s sad to find otherwise intelligent people can be so naïve.
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In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Capemom, you ask-
“Which man should be feared more:”
“#1 The man who says, I want to make a lot of money while I develop a source of renewable energy.”
“#2 The man who says, I don't want money, I am not greedy, and I am doing X because I want to help people/the environment/etc.”
Then you advise us to; “Always, always mistrust man #2.”
Now, the following is direct from the Cape Wind web site-
“Jim Gordon, President of Cape Wind, has stated: “We at Cape Wind share our neighbors’ concerns for the environment—local, regional and global—and act accordingly. Our philosophy toward community relations is simple. Be honest and open, be a good neighbor, and safeguard our shared resources and environment..." “The proposed wind park on Horseshoe Shoal exemplifies these beliefs. Click here for information on when Cape Wind will be in your area and find out firsthand how we are committed to a lifelong partnership with the community.”
How do you read this Capemom?? #1 or #2 ??
I’m LOL.
“Which man should be feared more:”
“#1 The man who says, I want to make a lot of money while I develop a source of renewable energy.”
“#2 The man who says, I don't want money, I am not greedy, and I am doing X because I want to help people/the environment/etc.”
Then you advise us to; “Always, always mistrust man #2.”
Now, the following is direct from the Cape Wind web site-
“Jim Gordon, President of Cape Wind, has stated: “We at Cape Wind share our neighbors’ concerns for the environment—local, regional and global—and act accordingly. Our philosophy toward community relations is simple. Be honest and open, be a good neighbor, and safeguard our shared resources and environment..." “The proposed wind park on Horseshoe Shoal exemplifies these beliefs. Click here for information on when Cape Wind will be in your area and find out firsthand how we are committed to a lifelong partnership with the community.”
How do you read this Capemom?? #1 or #2 ??
I’m LOL.
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In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Capemom,
The numbers make sense for Mr. Gordon, but not for the public.
I hope you, Chris S., and everyone else with a stake in this debate will carefully read all 51 pages of J. Halkema’s paper. Blind acceptance of the so called ‘benefits’ of Cape Wind’s plan to take over the center of Nantucket Sound might change.
From page 32-
“Official and unofficial dogma: ‘Never tell the full truth about wind energy.”
“It must be abundantly clear to readers by now that the fiction perpetrated about the salutary properties of wind energy completely contradicts all the facts and proven numbers.”
Page 38-
“…a programme aired on Dutch television on 11/4/04, showed the Danish engineer responsible for the operation of Horns Rev flying low over the wind farm and explaining what had occurred. As shown on TV, only four turbines were turning, one turbine was ‘temporarily out of service’, and of the remaining 75 only the useless decapitated pylons were standing. It was a grim sight.”
The numbers make sense for Mr. Gordon, but not for the public.
I hope you, Chris S., and everyone else with a stake in this debate will carefully read all 51 pages of J. Halkema’s paper. Blind acceptance of the so called ‘benefits’ of Cape Wind’s plan to take over the center of Nantucket Sound might change.
From page 32-
“Official and unofficial dogma: ‘Never tell the full truth about wind energy.”
“It must be abundantly clear to readers by now that the fiction perpetrated about the salutary properties of wind energy completely contradicts all the facts and proven numbers.”
Page 38-
“…a programme aired on Dutch television on 11/4/04, showed the Danish engineer responsible for the operation of Horns Rev flying low over the wind farm and explaining what had occurred. As shown on TV, only four turbines were turning, one turbine was ‘temporarily out of service’, and of the remaining 75 only the useless decapitated pylons were standing. It was a grim sight.”
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In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
In response to: It all adds up for Chris, but you may need a calculator
Don’t miss-
“Wind Energy: Facts and Fiction: A Half Truth is a Whole Lie” by J. Halkema.
Learn details about another important math formula “…that is the gist of the whole truth about wind energy.”
The article will help, “…make it clear that a wind turbine… will never produce a substantial amount of electricity in a reliable and consistent manner… despite what advocates of wind energy tell the public.”
More quotes-
“….the most improbable ideas continue to be spread regarding the usefulness of extensive offshore wind energy.”
“It is reprehensible that nearly all proponents of wind energy disseminate the most outrageous untruths. They do this by hiding or withholding important information, by quoting wrong numbers or by publishing totally incorrect graphs or statistics. Many prefer to remain known as ‘the specialist’ who understands everything about wind turbines and who perseveres in writing or speaking half-truths or outright falsehoods.”
“Wind Energy: Facts and Fiction: A Half Truth is a Whole Lie” by J. Halkema.
Learn details about another important math formula “…that is the gist of the whole truth about wind energy.”
The article will help, “…make it clear that a wind turbine… will never produce a substantial amount of electricity in a reliable and consistent manner… despite what advocates of wind energy tell the public.”
More quotes-
“….the most improbable ideas continue to be spread regarding the usefulness of extensive offshore wind energy.”
“It is reprehensible that nearly all proponents of wind energy disseminate the most outrageous untruths. They do this by hiding or withholding important information, by quoting wrong numbers or by publishing totally incorrect graphs or statistics. Many prefer to remain known as ‘the specialist’ who understands everything about wind turbines and who perseveres in writing or speaking half-truths or outright falsehoods.”
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In response to: Interior Department report coming within days
In response to: Interior Department report coming within days
From today's Boston Globe-
"An Idyll Lost in Turbines' Humming"
"Neighbors Regret Maine Wind Farm"
By Jenna Russell, Globe Staff | February 17, 2007
"An Idyll Lost in Turbines' Humming"
"Neighbors Regret Maine Wind Farm"
By Jenna Russell, Globe Staff | February 17, 2007
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In response to: Patrick appoints another Cape Codder; Birds are safe from turbines
In response to: Patrick appoints another Cape Codder; Birds are safe from turbines
Chuck,
Please tell us where we can see and study for ourselves this "...prepreponderance of scientific evidence that human activates are the cause of global warming."
It would be great to see something besides speculation, guesswork, ‘predictions', questionable theories, wishful thinking, etc…
Here is a news article from the UK you might find interesting.
“An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change”
“Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist, says the orthodoxy must be challenged.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1363818.ece
Opening line-
“When politicians and journalists declare that the science of global warming is settled, they show a regrettable ignorance about how science works.”
Closing line-
“…humility in face of Nature’s marvels seems more appropriate than arrogant assertions that we can forecast and even control a climate ruled by the sun and the stars.”
Please tell us where we can see and study for ourselves this "...prepreponderance of scientific evidence that human activates are the cause of global warming."
It would be great to see something besides speculation, guesswork, ‘predictions', questionable theories, wishful thinking, etc…
Here is a news article from the UK you might find interesting.
“An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change”
“Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist, says the orthodoxy must be challenged.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1363818.ece
Opening line-
“When politicians and journalists declare that the science of global warming is settled, they show a regrettable ignorance about how science works.”
Closing line-
“…humility in face of Nature’s marvels seems more appropriate than arrogant assertions that we can forecast and even control a climate ruled by the sun and the stars.”
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In response to: The Allure of German Wind
In response to: The Allure of German Wind
Chuck, you say; “While Europe surges ahead, we fuss over the view.”
Truth is, we are not fussing alone.
“Wind Farms Feel the Chill of Public Rejection”
http://www.windaction.org/articles/129
“Some of Europe's "greenest" countries are under pressure to backtrack on wind farms as public anger grows over their impact on the countryside.”
“Voters are outraged by the unsightly turbines, the loud, low-frequency humming noise that they create and the stroboscopic effects of blades rotating in sunshine. Opponents are dismayed at the proliferation of the turbines in some of the most beautiful areas of the continent. Conservationists complain that hundreds of birds are killed each month by the rotating blades.”
“Governments which once embraced the giant windmills as a way to generate "clean" power are showing signs of having second thoughts.”
“In France, regional councils have started refusing permission for new developments. Denmark is preparing to scale down the number of windmills...
"The debate over wind power is particularly fierce in Germany."
Truth is, we are not fussing alone.
“Wind Farms Feel the Chill of Public Rejection”
http://www.windaction.org/articles/129
“Some of Europe's "greenest" countries are under pressure to backtrack on wind farms as public anger grows over their impact on the countryside.”
“Voters are outraged by the unsightly turbines, the loud, low-frequency humming noise that they create and the stroboscopic effects of blades rotating in sunshine. Opponents are dismayed at the proliferation of the turbines in some of the most beautiful areas of the continent. Conservationists complain that hundreds of birds are killed each month by the rotating blades.”
“Governments which once embraced the giant windmills as a way to generate "clean" power are showing signs of having second thoughts.”
“In France, regional councils have started refusing permission for new developments. Denmark is preparing to scale down the number of windmills...
"The debate over wind power is particularly fierce in Germany."
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In response to: The Allure of German Wind
In response to: The Allure of German Wind
From Scotland today;
“Dishonest to Ignore Flaws in Wind Power”
http://business.scotsman.com/management.cfm?id=221502007
"...The place for the renewable power enthusiast is in the political arena, once the hard facts have been established.”
“There is a great deal of deliberate dishonesty in this debate.”
“Wilfully ignored is that wind power locks us into carbon production, for the expensive back-up generators needed during the down-times must be carbon producers, gas, coal or oil. Also ignored is the carbon cost of the extra economic activity necessary to pay the enormous subsidies needed to meet the high costs of renewables and of the back-up power stations.”
“It may well be that when the sums are done, with honesty and rigor, the switch to wind power will actually increase the overall carbon emissions; though of course high energy prices driving industry and jobs abroad, would have a very beneficial effect on our carbon emissions. This would be a great consolation in the dark winter's nights.”
David J Hogg, Edinburgh
“Dishonest to Ignore Flaws in Wind Power”
http://business.scotsman.com/management.cfm?id=221502007
"...The place for the renewable power enthusiast is in the political arena, once the hard facts have been established.”
“There is a great deal of deliberate dishonesty in this debate.”
“Wilfully ignored is that wind power locks us into carbon production, for the expensive back-up generators needed during the down-times must be carbon producers, gas, coal or oil. Also ignored is the carbon cost of the extra economic activity necessary to pay the enormous subsidies needed to meet the high costs of renewables and of the back-up power stations.”
“It may well be that when the sums are done, with honesty and rigor, the switch to wind power will actually increase the overall carbon emissions; though of course high energy prices driving industry and jobs abroad, would have a very beneficial effect on our carbon emissions. This would be a great consolation in the dark winter's nights.”
David J Hogg, Edinburgh
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In response to: Trust the experts?
In response to: Trust the experts?
Don't miss;
"Chicken Little and Global Warming"
By Jeff Jacoby, of the Boston Globe
http://tinyurl.com/2y2a7z
"Chicken Little and Global Warming"
By Jeff Jacoby, of the Boston Globe
http://tinyurl.com/2y2a7z
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In response to: The Allure of German Wind
In response to: The Allure of German Wind
Chuck,
Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the Germans have a regulation in place that does not allow offshore wind power plants to be built any closer than 30 kilometers, or about 18 miles, to the nearest coastline.
Doesn’t that say something about just how alluring wind power is to the Germans?
Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the Germans have a regulation in place that does not allow offshore wind power plants to be built any closer than 30 kilometers, or about 18 miles, to the nearest coastline.
Doesn’t that say something about just how alluring wind power is to the Germans?
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In response to: Cape Wind's president too nice of a guy?
In response to: Cape Wind's president too nice of a guy?
Capemom-
“Wind Energy Costly for Consumers”
Copenhagen Post, 1/29/07
“The plan to increase the nation’s green power could expand a black hole that already sucks nearly two billion DKK. out of consumers’ pockets..."
“In order to promote wind turbines, the Gov. has agreed to purchase the electricity… The guaranteed prices have had the desired effect: some 5300 wind turbines dot the Danish countryside…”
“The practice has its downside, however. The guaranteed prices results in an overproduction that cost the state an excess DKK 21.6 billion”
“Due to the uncertainty of wind, Energinet.dk has to keep a reserve of conventionally produced electricity in case the wind dies down. The extra cost is typically passed on to consumers in the form of higher electric bills.”
“Maintaining that safety net results in a near constant overproduction of energy, reducing wind power’s share of the total amount actually used to power Danish homes and factories to 8.3 percent."
"The unneeded electricity is exported, normally at a lower price than paid to turbine owners."
“Wind Energy Costly for Consumers”
Copenhagen Post, 1/29/07
“The plan to increase the nation’s green power could expand a black hole that already sucks nearly two billion DKK. out of consumers’ pockets..."
“In order to promote wind turbines, the Gov. has agreed to purchase the electricity… The guaranteed prices have had the desired effect: some 5300 wind turbines dot the Danish countryside…”
“The practice has its downside, however. The guaranteed prices results in an overproduction that cost the state an excess DKK 21.6 billion”
“Due to the uncertainty of wind, Energinet.dk has to keep a reserve of conventionally produced electricity in case the wind dies down. The extra cost is typically passed on to consumers in the form of higher electric bills.”
“Maintaining that safety net results in a near constant overproduction of energy, reducing wind power’s share of the total amount actually used to power Danish homes and factories to 8.3 percent."
"The unneeded electricity is exported, normally at a lower price than paid to turbine owners."
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In response to: Cape Wind's president too nice of a guy?
In response to: Cape Wind's president too nice of a guy?
Here is a bit of “ironic and unflattering” info about wind power in Denmark Mr. Farley may find educational.
[www.thescotsman.com]
“Danes Go Cold on Wind Farms”
”The nation that leads the world in wind development is going cool on the environmentally friendly source of power…”
“While many countries around the world are clamouring to buy Danish turbines, Denmark’s government is finding it difficult to convince its own population to accept an increase in the domestic use of the technology.”
“Describing turbines as “poorly located, noisy and unsightly”, a number of local authorities, backed by grass-roots campaigners, are rejecting plans for new wind farms.“
“...local opposition to a new wave of wind-power construction has reached fever pitch. Leading politicians say that is potentially catastrophic for the Danish energy sector.”
“Citing environment ministry figures, which confirm that offshore windmills cost nine times as much land-based ones, opponents have vehemently criticised the government for its willingness to ignore strict local planning guidelines."
[www.thescotsman.com]
“Danes Go Cold on Wind Farms”
”The nation that leads the world in wind development is going cool on the environmentally friendly source of power…”
“While many countries around the world are clamouring to buy Danish turbines, Denmark’s government is finding it difficult to convince its own population to accept an increase in the domestic use of the technology.”
“Describing turbines as “poorly located, noisy and unsightly”, a number of local authorities, backed by grass-roots campaigners, are rejecting plans for new wind farms.“
“...local opposition to a new wave of wind-power construction has reached fever pitch. Leading politicians say that is potentially catastrophic for the Danish energy sector.”
“Citing environment ministry figures, which confirm that offshore windmills cost nine times as much land-based ones, opponents have vehemently criticised the government for its willingness to ignore strict local planning guidelines."
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In response to: Which state produces the most wind power?
In response to: Which state produces the most wind power?
I'd be interested in seeing the figures for the summer of 2005.
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In response to: Which state produces the most wind power?
In response to: Which state produces the most wind power?
Chuck,
Please share ALL the power production predictions with us- hour by hour, day by day- not just bits and pieces.
Show us how the figures line up against actual demand- long term.
Please share ALL the power production predictions with us- hour by hour, day by day- not just bits and pieces.
Show us how the figures line up against actual demand- long term.
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In response to: Which state produces the most wind power?
In response to: Which state produces the most wind power?
Chuck,
Isn’t it great to know there are always hydro, fossil fuel and/or nuclear power plants that can be counted on to provide energy as you describe above?
That of course is not the case with wind power, anywhere, or on any scale.
Isn’t it great to know there are always hydro, fossil fuel and/or nuclear power plants that can be counted on to provide energy as you describe above?
That of course is not the case with wind power, anywhere, or on any scale.
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In response to: What Cape Wind most assuredly won't do
In response to: What Cape Wind most assuredly won't do
Moses,
You admitted earlier we will not be seeing the return of Clipper ships. I guess you acknowledge the ‘Age of Sail’ has truly ended.
I’m happy- even thrilled- to know that Bill Koch is also worried about how Cape Wind will affect his view of Nantucket Sound. The ‘view’ is only one of many concerns people have about this private developer’s plan to sully the public’s property- with an unnecessary and ‘redundant’ industrial project.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict the ‘age’ of large-scale industrial wind power in the USA will last about as long as the Clipper Era lasted in the USA- about fourteen years.
See-
http://www.globalindex.com/clippers/museum/ms_clipp.htm
You admitted earlier we will not be seeing the return of Clipper ships. I guess you acknowledge the ‘Age of Sail’ has truly ended.
I’m happy- even thrilled- to know that Bill Koch is also worried about how Cape Wind will affect his view of Nantucket Sound. The ‘view’ is only one of many concerns people have about this private developer’s plan to sully the public’s property- with an unnecessary and ‘redundant’ industrial project.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict the ‘age’ of large-scale industrial wind power in the USA will last about as long as the Clipper Era lasted in the USA- about fourteen years.
See-
http://www.globalindex.com/clippers/museum/ms_clipp.htm
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In response to: What Cape Wind most assuredly won't do
In response to: What Cape Wind most assuredly won't do
Jack,
I’m sure you can- if you choose to- recognize the distinction between ‘pleasure craft’ and ‘commercial craft.’
Question for you and Moses- When Greenpeace heads south this winter, will they rely on the sails onboard the ‘Rainbow Warrior’ for propulsion? Or will they travel in the ‘Arctic Sunrise’- powered by a Diesel engine? A GP message-board reports the crew has a tight schedule to follow. Can they do that with sail/wind power?
GP protests ‘our’ reliance on fossil fuel, but they seem not to mind at all when ‘they’ burn it. GP also demands a worldwide ban on PVC, but they unfurl banners and zip around in Zodiacs made from PVC.
Listen to audio file #4-
http://www.zodiacmarineusa.com/why/fabrictech.html
…then read-
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/toxics/go-pvc-free
“…this commonplace plastic is one of the most toxic substances saturating our planet and its inhabitants. PVC contaminates humans and the environment throughout its lifecycle: during its production, use, and disposal.”
What hypocrites.
I’m sure you can- if you choose to- recognize the distinction between ‘pleasure craft’ and ‘commercial craft.’
Question for you and Moses- When Greenpeace heads south this winter, will they rely on the sails onboard the ‘Rainbow Warrior’ for propulsion? Or will they travel in the ‘Arctic Sunrise’- powered by a Diesel engine? A GP message-board reports the crew has a tight schedule to follow. Can they do that with sail/wind power?
GP protests ‘our’ reliance on fossil fuel, but they seem not to mind at all when ‘they’ burn it. GP also demands a worldwide ban on PVC, but they unfurl banners and zip around in Zodiacs made from PVC.
Listen to audio file #4-
http://www.zodiacmarineusa.com/why/fabrictech.html
…then read-
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/toxics/go-pvc-free
“…this commonplace plastic is one of the most toxic substances saturating our planet and its inhabitants. PVC contaminates humans and the environment throughout its lifecycle: during its production, use, and disposal.”
What hypocrites.
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In response to: What Cape Wind most assuredly won't do
In response to: What Cape Wind most assuredly won't do
lmc035@gmail.com please read-
“Windmills aren't the answer”
by Colby Cosh
http://www.windaction.org/news/6462
I have a shipping industry related question for you-
Why did your industry give up on wind powered ships so long ago? If wind power is such a great thing today, will we be seeing a return of the Clipper ship anytime soon?
“Windmills aren't the answer”
by Colby Cosh
http://www.windaction.org/news/6462
I have a shipping industry related question for you-
Why did your industry give up on wind powered ships so long ago? If wind power is such a great thing today, will we be seeing a return of the Clipper ship anytime soon?
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Yesterday Chuck wrote;
“Europe is concerned about global warming, energy independence and sustainability. And here we sit fussing about the view. America, wake up and catch up with the rest of the world! It’s no laughing matter.”
Europe has a new concern Chuck- see ‘Independent' [UK] story from yesterday-
“Cow 'Emissions' More Damaging to Planet than CO2 from Cars”
“Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car, or the plane, or even George Bush: it is the cow. A UN report has identified the world's rapidly growing herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species..., to creating dead zones in the oceans…”
“The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Org., titled Livestock's Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world's 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame…”
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article20624.ece
“Europe is concerned about global warming, energy independence and sustainability. And here we sit fussing about the view. America, wake up and catch up with the rest of the world! It’s no laughing matter.”
Europe has a new concern Chuck- see ‘Independent' [UK] story from yesterday-
“Cow 'Emissions' More Damaging to Planet than CO2 from Cars”
“Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car, or the plane, or even George Bush: it is the cow. A UN report has identified the world's rapidly growing herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species..., to creating dead zones in the oceans…”
“The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Org., titled Livestock's Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world's 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame…”
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article20624.ece
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I have to wonder if the seal pups on Scroby Sands and in Nantucket Sound will ever benefit from the “puppy reflex,” described in Jack’s “Breathing life into a calcified debate” story.
“…the puppy reflex. With the exception of the occasional mass murderer, people see a puppy and go Awwww.”
“…the puppy reflex. With the exception of the occasional mass murderer, people see a puppy and go Awwww.”
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Chuck,
I’m glad we can disagree and be civil at the same time.
Concerning ‘consensus’ in the global warming debate, consider this quote from, "Aliens Cause Global Warming," A lecture by Michael Crichton, California Institute of Technology, January 17, 2003
“There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.”
http://www.michaelcrichton.net/speeches/speeches_quote04.html
About Al’s movie- Google “Gore the Movie Star - Candidate or Ideologue?" by Paul Weyrich.
I’m glad we can disagree and be civil at the same time.
Concerning ‘consensus’ in the global warming debate, consider this quote from, "Aliens Cause Global Warming," A lecture by Michael Crichton, California Institute of Technology, January 17, 2003
“There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.”
http://www.michaelcrichton.net/speeches/speeches_quote04.html
About Al’s movie- Google “Gore the Movie Star - Candidate or Ideologue?" by Paul Weyrich.
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Jack,
How about those 'other’ 69 navigational "experts" in the State House- the ones who signed that letter back in the spring claiming-
“Commercial fishing in draggers and ferry traffic are impossible in this area. Any vessel with more than a 2 foot draft attempting to navigate these waters would run aground.”
Will you say Cliff Carroll’s comment below is inaccurate?
“This must come as quite a surprise to the hundreds of commercial fisherman that catch up to 60% of their total annual catch on Horseshoe Shoals. Even the Cape Wind developer Jim Gordon is honest enough to admit that the wind towers are in waters up to 35 feet deep. If Mr. Smizik truly believes that Cape Wind's 24 square mile project is in only 2 feet of water, then as Resource Chairman, he better start working on the Federal and State dredging permits that Cape Wind has never applied for.”
How about those 'other’ 69 navigational "experts" in the State House- the ones who signed that letter back in the spring claiming-
“Commercial fishing in draggers and ferry traffic are impossible in this area. Any vessel with more than a 2 foot draft attempting to navigate these waters would run aground.”
Will you say Cliff Carroll’s comment below is inaccurate?
“This must come as quite a surprise to the hundreds of commercial fisherman that catch up to 60% of their total annual catch on Horseshoe Shoals. Even the Cape Wind developer Jim Gordon is honest enough to admit that the wind towers are in waters up to 35 feet deep. If Mr. Smizik truly believes that Cape Wind's 24 square mile project is in only 2 feet of water, then as Resource Chairman, he better start working on the Federal and State dredging permits that Cape Wind has never applied for.”
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Chuck,
I respectfully disagree. There is plenty to laugh about here- take wide spread hysteria over global warming for example.
Go to
http://www.counterwind.blogspot.com/
and download the new publication from the Senate Environment & Public Works Committee;
“A Skeptic’s Guide to Debunking Global Warming Alarmism. Hot & Cold Media Spin Cycle: A Challenge To Journalists who Cover Global Warming.”
I respectfully disagree. There is plenty to laugh about here- take wide spread hysteria over global warming for example.
Go to
http://www.counterwind.blogspot.com/
and download the new publication from the Senate Environment & Public Works Committee;
“A Skeptic’s Guide to Debunking Global Warming Alarmism. Hot & Cold Media Spin Cycle: A Challenge To Journalists who Cover Global Warming.”
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Read up on the new British comedy here-
http://www.windaction.org/news/6785
"£75m Windfarm Shuts Down for Repair"
"...The problem at Scroby is the latest setback to hit the £75m windfarm, which became one of the UK’s first commercial offshore wind farms when it was built in 2004. It was hailed as the beginning of a modern, safe, clean, and fertile era of energy production but, as we reported in August, the government’s first annual report painted a very different picture with the turbines generating only a fraction of the power they were meant to."
http://www.windaction.org/news/6785
"£75m Windfarm Shuts Down for Repair"
"...The problem at Scroby is the latest setback to hit the £75m windfarm, which became one of the UK’s first commercial offshore wind farms when it was built in 2004. It was hailed as the beginning of a modern, safe, clean, and fertile era of energy production but, as we reported in August, the government’s first annual report painted a very different picture with the turbines generating only a fraction of the power they were meant to."
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In response to: Report: Little harm from offshore wind farms in Denmark
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It may be more proper to say that instead of just “passing through”, they probably ran aground in Nantucket Sound, and then attempted to settle for roughly twenty years on the south coast of Cape Cod- as many researchers have long suspected.
Read the first few pages of the National Historic Preservation Act sometime.
Read the first few pages of the National Historic Preservation Act sometime.
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Chuck
Key quote- Greenlander’s Saga, ca. 1389
“They went back to the ship and sailed into the sound that lay between the island and the headland jutting out to the north. They steered a westerly course past the headland. There were extensive shallows there and at low tide their ship was left high and dry, with the sea almost out of sight. But they were so impatient to land that they could not bear to wait for the rising tide to float the ship; they ran ashore to a place where a river flowed out from a lake. At next high tide they took the boat, pulled to the ship, and took it up through the river into the lake, anchored, and carried their leather bags ashore.”
300 years later, in 1689, “horseshoe” shoal appears in print in “Directions for Sailing into New England Ports.”
“…but be careful and keep your lead going, for on the northside of this channel lies a dangerous Sand called the Horseshoe. There are small channels over this Sand, and in some places it is dry at low water.”
Both accounts say an offshore area runs dry at low tide. Just a coincidence?
Key quote- Greenlander’s Saga, ca. 1389
“They went back to the ship and sailed into the sound that lay between the island and the headland jutting out to the north. They steered a westerly course past the headland. There were extensive shallows there and at low tide their ship was left high and dry, with the sea almost out of sight. But they were so impatient to land that they could not bear to wait for the rising tide to float the ship; they ran ashore to a place where a river flowed out from a lake. At next high tide they took the boat, pulled to the ship, and took it up through the river into the lake, anchored, and carried their leather bags ashore.”
300 years later, in 1689, “horseshoe” shoal appears in print in “Directions for Sailing into New England Ports.”
“…but be careful and keep your lead going, for on the northside of this channel lies a dangerous Sand called the Horseshoe. There are small channels over this Sand, and in some places it is dry at low water.”
Both accounts say an offshore area runs dry at low tide. Just a coincidence?
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Chuck,
The info below should help clarify my point in asking you those two questions, [12/06/06 @ 8:19 am].
The Clean Power Now web site once made this claim- maybe it still does- maybe you wrote it, (!)
“Turbines should be located in shallow, protected water, such as Nantucket Sound… Horseshoe Shoal is the only area that meets all of the required criterion fully…”
Cape Wind’s web page at one time said this;
“Horseshoe Shoal is shallow- parts of the shoal are nearly uncovered at low tide… studies have determined that Horseshoe Shoal is the only site in the region that has the required characteristics.”
In the Boston College Enviro. Affairs Law Review, Vol. 31, No. 2, Greg Watson and Fara Courtney wrote;
“The developers... identified Horseshoe Shoal in Nantucket Sound as the best option, not only in New England, but perhaps anywhere on the East Coast.”
So, is it fair to say there is wide-spread agreement that “…there are not many places like Nantucket Sound?”
The info below should help clarify my point in asking you those two questions, [12/06/06 @ 8:19 am].
The Clean Power Now web site once made this claim- maybe it still does- maybe you wrote it, (!)
“Turbines should be located in shallow, protected water, such as Nantucket Sound… Horseshoe Shoal is the only area that meets all of the required criterion fully…”
Cape Wind’s web page at one time said this;
“Horseshoe Shoal is shallow- parts of the shoal are nearly uncovered at low tide… studies have determined that Horseshoe Shoal is the only site in the region that has the required characteristics.”
In the Boston College Enviro. Affairs Law Review, Vol. 31, No. 2, Greg Watson and Fara Courtney wrote;
“The developers... identified Horseshoe Shoal in Nantucket Sound as the best option, not only in New England, but perhaps anywhere on the East Coast.”
So, is it fair to say there is wide-spread agreement that “…there are not many places like Nantucket Sound?”
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Jack,
I bet you will be surprised to learn that even a Cape Wind “Associate” admitted to me around 2002 or 2003 that he believed the project could be, and should be, relocated to Nantucket Shoals.
Trust me when I say this person was highly qualified to weigh the pros and cons.
Got to run…
I bet you will be surprised to learn that even a Cape Wind “Associate” admitted to me around 2002 or 2003 that he believed the project could be, and should be, relocated to Nantucket Shoals.
Trust me when I say this person was highly qualified to weigh the pros and cons.
Got to run…
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Jack,
…and I believe you, and many others, overestimate the ability of wind power to supply reliable energy.
See ‘Windmills aren't the answer’ by Colby Cosh
http://www.energyprobe.org/energyprobe/index.cfm?DSP=content&ContentID=16635
“It's official: The glorious future of abundant free energy has been
put on hold.”
“In May, the Alberta Electric System Operator announced that
the province's grid could not safely accommodate more than 900
megawatts of wind-power generation, a target that will be met late
next year. Proposals for 3,000 more MW of production have been thrown
into indefinite limbo…”
“… the system operators' warnings aren't just a sign that wind has
reached a dead end in their home provinces. They also mean that B.C.,
Saskatchewan and parts of the U.S. Northeast will never be able to
get major wind projects off the ground if they are to continue to
serve as an energy release-valve for their wind-harnessing
neighbours.”
"It must be a harrowing time for those who thought the breeze could save us all from the coming ecocide."
…and I believe you, and many others, overestimate the ability of wind power to supply reliable energy.
See ‘Windmills aren't the answer’ by Colby Cosh
http://www.energyprobe.org/energyprobe/index.cfm?DSP=content&ContentID=16635
“It's official: The glorious future of abundant free energy has been
put on hold.”
“In May, the Alberta Electric System Operator announced that
the province's grid could not safely accommodate more than 900
megawatts of wind-power generation, a target that will be met late
next year. Proposals for 3,000 more MW of production have been thrown
into indefinite limbo…”
“… the system operators' warnings aren't just a sign that wind has
reached a dead end in their home provinces. They also mean that B.C.,
Saskatchewan and parts of the U.S. Northeast will never be able to
get major wind projects off the ground if they are to continue to
serve as an energy release-valve for their wind-harnessing
neighbours.”
"It must be a harrowing time for those who thought the breeze could save us all from the coming ecocide."
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In response to: Report: Little harm from offshore wind farms in Denmark
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Didn't Winergy "want to build there?"
Yes or No?
Yes or No?
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Jack,
The true goal of the wind developers is to save money- not the planet- and to maximize profits.
Don't write off Nantucket Shoals just yet.
The true goal of the wind developers is to save money- not the planet- and to maximize profits.
Don't write off Nantucket Shoals just yet.
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Jack,
You say- “Let’s talk about [Nantucket Shoals as an alternative site.”]
Well, here’s my two cents-
I still see wind power as a major distraction and/or unnecessary detour on the road to energy independence, but just as Maverick suggests, I also believe Nantucket Shoals is the ideal location for this less than ideal power plant project.
There is room on Nantucket Shoals for thousands of turbines; the water depths are nearly as shallow as in Nantucket Sound, and the distance to the mainland does not present an unsolvable ‘cabling’ problem. Best of all, the wind speed classification is higher out on Nantucket Shoals than in Nantucket Sound. That alone could help insure “success,” how ever that is measured in the end.
The arguments against Nantucket Shoals don’t hold any weight at all. If we can fly to the moon and drill for oil in deep water, wind turbines can be built out there.
You say- “Let’s talk about [Nantucket Shoals as an alternative site.”]
Well, here’s my two cents-
I still see wind power as a major distraction and/or unnecessary detour on the road to energy independence, but just as Maverick suggests, I also believe Nantucket Shoals is the ideal location for this less than ideal power plant project.
There is room on Nantucket Shoals for thousands of turbines; the water depths are nearly as shallow as in Nantucket Sound, and the distance to the mainland does not present an unsolvable ‘cabling’ problem. Best of all, the wind speed classification is higher out on Nantucket Shoals than in Nantucket Sound. That alone could help insure “success,” how ever that is measured in the end.
The arguments against Nantucket Shoals don’t hold any weight at all. If we can fly to the moon and drill for oil in deep water, wind turbines can be built out there.
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I’m wondering if Chuck Kleekamp will ever get around to responding my two questions, [12/06/06 @ 8:19 am]- in any manner at all.
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Chuck,
When Icelanders returned home from one of their foreign quests in the early 11th century they reported [in the ‘Greenlander’s Saga’] they had sailed into a “sund”- or ‘sound,’ that “…lay between an island and a cape that stretched northward from the land.” They said that within the ‘sound’ they found “grunnsævi mikið” - ‘extensive shallows’- and at low tide “…their ship was left high and dry with the sea almost out of sight.”
There is no longer any doubt the Icelanders were describing a specific section of North American coastline. A majority of researchers believe the account describes the coast of southern New England- most likely Nantucket Sound.
Would you agree that Nantucket Sound matches this description set down in the Greenlander’s Saga?
And would you agree there are not many places like Nantucket Sound?
When Icelanders returned home from one of their foreign quests in the early 11th century they reported [in the ‘Greenlander’s Saga’] they had sailed into a “sund”- or ‘sound,’ that “…lay between an island and a cape that stretched northward from the land.” They said that within the ‘sound’ they found “grunnsævi mikið” - ‘extensive shallows’- and at low tide “…their ship was left high and dry with the sea almost out of sight.”
There is no longer any doubt the Icelanders were describing a specific section of North American coastline. A majority of researchers believe the account describes the coast of southern New England- most likely Nantucket Sound.
Would you agree that Nantucket Sound matches this description set down in the Greenlander’s Saga?
And would you agree there are not many places like Nantucket Sound?
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
Moses you ask…
”Where were you when there were no-nuke protests?”
“Did you oppose Nuke plants in the 70's?”
I have never opposed nuclear power Moses- but I do have a confession of sorts to make…
Around the time of the Three Mile Island incident [March 1979] I was living in upstate New York. When the local anti-nuke crowd lined up charter buses to transport people to Washington D.C. to join the big “No-Nuke” protest in May that year, I figured the $20 round trip ticket was just too good to pass up.
I slipped aboard one of the buses, but as soon as I could, I headed straight for the Air and Space Museum.
I spent the entire day there.
Hope I answered your question.
”Where were you when there were no-nuke protests?”
“Did you oppose Nuke plants in the 70's?”
I have never opposed nuclear power Moses- but I do have a confession of sorts to make…
Around the time of the Three Mile Island incident [March 1979] I was living in upstate New York. When the local anti-nuke crowd lined up charter buses to transport people to Washington D.C. to join the big “No-Nuke” protest in May that year, I figured the $20 round trip ticket was just too good to pass up.
I slipped aboard one of the buses, but as soon as I could, I headed straight for the Air and Space Museum.
I spent the entire day there.
Hope I answered your question.
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
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Moses,
Why do you ask?
I don't mind answering, but I'm curious- why are you so interested?
Why do you ask?
I don't mind answering, but I'm curious- why are you so interested?
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Moses,
I'd be happy to see a nuke revival in the U.S.
http://www.npcil.nic.in/nupower_vol13_2/npfr_.htm
"Nuclear Power in France- Why does it work?"
"Nuclear Power in France is a success story, which has demonstrated its long term environmental and economic viability. Almost 80% of all the electricity needs of France are being met through the power of the Atom."
I'd be happy to see a nuke revival in the U.S.
http://www.npcil.nic.in/nupower_vol13_2/npfr_.htm
"Nuclear Power in France- Why does it work?"
"Nuclear Power in France is a success story, which has demonstrated its long term environmental and economic viability. Almost 80% of all the electricity needs of France are being met through the power of the Atom."
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
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Moses, there is very bad news for wind power supporters in today's N.Y. Newsday.
"A Powerful Price"
"Records show LIPA customers would be hard hit by higher energy costs if plans to build a wind farm off the South Shore get the go-ahead"
BY MARK HARRINGTON
Newsday Staff Writer
November 1, 2006
http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzlipa024956445nov02,0,875977.story
"A Powerful Price"
"Records show LIPA customers would be hard hit by higher energy costs if plans to build a wind farm off the South Shore get the go-ahead"
BY MARK HARRINGTON
Newsday Staff Writer
November 1, 2006
http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzlipa024956445nov02,0,875977.story
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
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Moses,
You say, "Sure. Cape Wind could build elsewhere."
They should, but will they?
You say, "Sure. Cape Wind could build elsewhere."
They should, but will they?
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Moses,
But you do admit the shallow, or ‘thin’ water as sailors say, covering [and at times uncovering,] Horseshoe Shoal also has attracted quite a bit of attention from Cape Wind Associates?
Maybe even a LOT of attention?
Cape Wind, BTW, has said it will not even consider building anywhere else.
But you do admit the shallow, or ‘thin’ water as sailors say, covering [and at times uncovering,] Horseshoe Shoal also has attracted quite a bit of attention from Cape Wind Associates?
Maybe even a LOT of attention?
Cape Wind, BTW, has said it will not even consider building anywhere else.
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Moses,
Well please ID those other shoal areas for us- those that are roughly 5-6 miles offshore, within a “Sound”, and nearly dry- or dry- at low tide.
Maybe Cape Wind could build there instead of in the center of Nantucket Sound?
In the meantime, here is what James Manwell, director of Renewable Energy Research at Uni. Mass- Amherst had to say about Horseshoe Shoal;
“From all vantage points, there doesn’t appear to be anything like it.”
[Boston Globe, 11/11/03 “The Power of Place”]
I also believe Nantucket Sound is truly unique along the American Atlantic coast, and that it may have been obvious to other people a long time ago.
See again the messages above- 10/31/06 1:59 pm and 2:00 pm
Well please ID those other shoal areas for us- those that are roughly 5-6 miles offshore, within a “Sound”, and nearly dry- or dry- at low tide.
Maybe Cape Wind could build there instead of in the center of Nantucket Sound?
In the meantime, here is what James Manwell, director of Renewable Energy Research at Uni. Mass- Amherst had to say about Horseshoe Shoal;
“From all vantage points, there doesn’t appear to be anything like it.”
[Boston Globe, 11/11/03 “The Power of Place”]
I also believe Nantucket Sound is truly unique along the American Atlantic coast, and that it may have been obvious to other people a long time ago.
See again the messages above- 10/31/06 1:59 pm and 2:00 pm
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
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Moses,
Can we agree on one more thing?
That Horseshoe Shoal, on account of its shallow depths that nearly run dry at low tide, is unlike any other area along the Atlantic coastline?
I believe you made this very point a few months ago.
Still feel that way?
Can we agree on one more thing?
That Horseshoe Shoal, on account of its shallow depths that nearly run dry at low tide, is unlike any other area along the Atlantic coastline?
I believe you made this very point a few months ago.
Still feel that way?
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
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I disagree Moses. Wind power is questionable everywhere. It would be especially shameful to give up the center of Nantucket Sound just to provide further proof that- as reported by ABS Energy Research-
“...the benefits claimed for wind power are not always what they seem,”
And,
“…that wind generation is not always unambiguously good.”
“...the benefits claimed for wind power are not always what they seem,”
And,
“…that wind generation is not always unambiguously good.”
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
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Cape Wind has said there is only ONE site like Horseshoe Shoal. I believe T. Heyerdahl’s ancestors may have discovered that long ago.
Carl Sauer [most influential geographer of the 20th century] had this to say on the subject-
"Vinland was placed in southern New England by early, well informed students. Later, others located it in Newfoundland, inferring either a climate much milder than at present or that vin did not signify grapes. Reviewing what the sagas said of plants, animals and people, I found additional evidence in support of Vinland as having been in southern New England, the climate as at present"
"The topography of the Greenlanders' Saga agrees with the south of New England. Leif, nearing the place where he was to build his booths, sailed west around a cape into a stretch of shoals. Here the ship went aground, to be refloated at high tide. They took the ship's boat into the mouth of a river where they anchored to overwinter. It was here that Leif built his camp, Leifsbudir, that was to serve the later expeditions."
Carl Sauer [most influential geographer of the 20th century] had this to say on the subject-
"Vinland was placed in southern New England by early, well informed students. Later, others located it in Newfoundland, inferring either a climate much milder than at present or that vin did not signify grapes. Reviewing what the sagas said of plants, animals and people, I found additional evidence in support of Vinland as having been in southern New England, the climate as at present"
"The topography of the Greenlanders' Saga agrees with the south of New England. Leif, nearing the place where he was to build his booths, sailed west around a cape into a stretch of shoals. Here the ship went aground, to be refloated at high tide. They took the ship's boat into the mouth of a river where they anchored to overwinter. It was here that Leif built his camp, Leifsbudir, that was to serve the later expeditions."
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
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Moses,
Interesting to see you bring Thor Heyerdahl’s name up here.
Just before he died in 2002 Mr. Heyerdahl was preparing to take a close look into the long standing theory that 11th century Norsemen may have reached southern New England…
...and sailed into Nantucket Sound…,
…where they may have run aground.
The account they handed down reads something like this-
“…They then set sail west into the sound that stood between the island and the headland jutting out to the north. There were extensive shallows there and at low tide their ship was left high and dry with the sea almost out of sight. But they were so anxious to land that they could not bear to wait for the rising tide to float the ship; they ran ashore in the ship’s afterboat to a place where a river flowed out from a lake…”
Moses, let me ask you. Can you think of other “sounds” along the Northeast Atlantic coast made up of “extensive shallows,”
...that run dry at low tide, the way Horseshoe Shoal does on occasion?
Interesting to see you bring Thor Heyerdahl’s name up here.
Just before he died in 2002 Mr. Heyerdahl was preparing to take a close look into the long standing theory that 11th century Norsemen may have reached southern New England…
...and sailed into Nantucket Sound…,
…where they may have run aground.
The account they handed down reads something like this-
“…They then set sail west into the sound that stood between the island and the headland jutting out to the north. There were extensive shallows there and at low tide their ship was left high and dry with the sea almost out of sight. But they were so anxious to land that they could not bear to wait for the rising tide to float the ship; they ran ashore in the ship’s afterboat to a place where a river flowed out from a lake…”
Moses, let me ask you. Can you think of other “sounds” along the Northeast Atlantic coast made up of “extensive shallows,”
...that run dry at low tide, the way Horseshoe Shoal does on occasion?
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
Moses,
You’re way ahead of me in the arrogance dept.
Example- yesterday you asked me;
“Do you know who was the immediate past president of ABS?”
And…
“Do you know who Frank Iarossi is?”
Let me ask you [a bit more respectfully…] Do you know who Carl Ortwin Sauer is?
You’re way ahead of me in the arrogance dept.
Example- yesterday you asked me;
“Do you know who was the immediate past president of ABS?”
And…
“Do you know who Frank Iarossi is?”
Let me ask you [a bit more respectfully…] Do you know who Carl Ortwin Sauer is?
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
Moses,
My major concern with Cape Wind is that it will have a negative impact on the widely recognized historic character of Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket. The project would sit squarely in the center of Nantucket Sound, the 'entity' that connects all three.
Is that another bogus issue?
My major concern with Cape Wind is that it will have a negative impact on the widely recognized historic character of Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket. The project would sit squarely in the center of Nantucket Sound, the 'entity' that connects all three.
Is that another bogus issue?
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
Great, but what leads you to claim “…no commercial vessels use the horseshoe shoal”?
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
Moses,
You say “…we can create reports showing that no commercial vessels use the horseshoe shoal.”
Over the next day or so could you please throw together something – maybe a rough list of ‘bullet points’- that could support this claim?
Thanks.
You say “…we can create reports showing that no commercial vessels use the horseshoe shoal.”
Over the next day or so could you please throw together something – maybe a rough list of ‘bullet points’- that could support this claim?
Thanks.
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
Moses,
It is absurd to believe Cape Wind or wind power in general can lead to even a minor reduction in the transport/shipping of fossil fuel, or ship breaking.
Are you suggesting the shipping industry should return to the Age of Sail?
It's laugh-out-loud funny that even Greenpeace relies on diesel-powered ships to spread the alarm about the alleged dangers of fossil fuels.
I’ve been told that Greenpeace uses the sails on the new Rainbow Warrior only for photo-ops.
Greenpeace also campaigns relentlessly against the use of PVC [polyvinyl chloride] and other so called ‘Toxic Plastics,’ but those Zodiac inflatable boats they love so much are made from...
...PVC!!!
And the Zodiac outboard engines? All powered by gasoline.
The big joke here is that Greenpeace refers to wind power opponents as “fossil fools.”
It is absurd to believe Cape Wind or wind power in general can lead to even a minor reduction in the transport/shipping of fossil fuel, or ship breaking.
Are you suggesting the shipping industry should return to the Age of Sail?
It's laugh-out-loud funny that even Greenpeace relies on diesel-powered ships to spread the alarm about the alleged dangers of fossil fuels.
I’ve been told that Greenpeace uses the sails on the new Rainbow Warrior only for photo-ops.
Greenpeace also campaigns relentlessly against the use of PVC [polyvinyl chloride] and other so called ‘Toxic Plastics,’ but those Zodiac inflatable boats they love so much are made from...
...PVC!!!
And the Zodiac outboard engines? All powered by gasoline.
The big joke here is that Greenpeace refers to wind power opponents as “fossil fools.”
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
Moses,
Here are photos of a decommissioned wind "farm" in Hawaii. What would you say- is it pretty, or pretty ugly?
http://www.acave.us/southpoint/southpoint.htm
Here are photos of a decommissioned wind "farm" in Hawaii. What would you say- is it pretty, or pretty ugly?
http://www.acave.us/southpoint/southpoint.htm
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
Moses Calouro- It is another mistake to believe Cape Wind would be a “minor pinprick”, and/or a “good idea.”
ABS Energy Research has sent out a clear warning-
“…despite rapid growth in this renewable energy resource, new evidence from operators shows that the benefits claimed for wind power are not always what they seem… While generating capacity is up, solid new evidence suggests that some of the costs of producing electricity using the breeze sometimes mean that wind generation is not always unambiguously good.”
Sorry Moses, but you will never convince me that Nantucket Sound is the proper place in the USA to “START” to prove what Europeans already know about wind power- that it comes at a high price, and that its touted “benefits” are in the end- highly questionable.
ABS Energy Research has sent out a clear warning-
“…despite rapid growth in this renewable energy resource, new evidence from operators shows that the benefits claimed for wind power are not always what they seem… While generating capacity is up, solid new evidence suggests that some of the costs of producing electricity using the breeze sometimes mean that wind generation is not always unambiguously good.”
Sorry Moses, but you will never convince me that Nantucket Sound is the proper place in the USA to “START” to prove what Europeans already know about wind power- that it comes at a high price, and that its touted “benefits” are in the end- highly questionable.
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
Moses,
You write,
“There are a lot of people in this 'space' that throw out all kinds of facts and figures out of context.”
Yes, and right now you are the leading example.
You are very confused-
You have jumped to the conclusion that ABS in the Newsday story is the American Bureau of Ships, when in fact the story refers to an independent energy market research company based in London, England.
http://www.absenergyresearch.com/
You write,
“There are a lot of people in this 'space' that throw out all kinds of facts and figures out of context.”
Yes, and right now you are the leading example.
You are very confused-
You have jumped to the conclusion that ABS in the Newsday story is the American Bureau of Ships, when in fact the story refers to an independent energy market research company based in London, England.
http://www.absenergyresearch.com/
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In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
In response to: Cape Wind Voters Guide
More bad news for wind power in today's N.Y. Newsday.
"STUDY TAKES AIR OUT OF WIND POWER'S SAILS"
"Finds windmill generators in Europe have problems with creating electricity when it is needed"
http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzpowe304953470oct30,0,4540493,print.story?coll=ny-business-print
"A sharp increase in wind-power capacity in Europe is challenging utilities to stabilize their electric grids in the face of sometimes wildly fluctuating wind-energy levels, while calling into question some of the greenhouse-gas reducing claims of windmills, according to a recent study..."
"I think the actual savings in emissions is very low," said E. Blauvelt, research director at ABS who conducted the study..."
"You can't alter the fact that wind blows at the wrong times and it blows intermittently," said Blauvelt.
"ABS Research takes it a step further. "Given that experience is showing that savings in carbon emissions due to wind power may be considerably less than claimed, this calls into question the importance of wind in environmental terms," it concludes."
"STUDY TAKES AIR OUT OF WIND POWER'S SAILS"
"Finds windmill generators in Europe have problems with creating electricity when it is needed"
http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzpowe304953470oct30,0,4540493,print.story?coll=ny-business-print
"A sharp increase in wind-power capacity in Europe is challenging utilities to stabilize their electric grids in the face of sometimes wildly fluctuating wind-energy levels, while calling into question some of the greenhouse-gas reducing claims of windmills, according to a recent study..."
"I think the actual savings in emissions is very low," said E. Blauvelt, research director at ABS who conducted the study..."
"You can't alter the fact that wind blows at the wrong times and it blows intermittently," said Blauvelt.
"ABS Research takes it a step further. "Given that experience is showing that savings in carbon emissions due to wind power may be considerably less than claimed, this calls into question the importance of wind in environmental terms," it concludes."
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In response to: The Kennedys are leaving Hyannisport.
In response to: The Kennedys are leaving Hyannisport.
Well, SP, you may be interested in reading-
“Nuclear to the Rescue”
by Paul Driessen
At www.counterwind.blogspot.com
Where you will find-
“…coal-fired power plants…aren't perfect ecologically, but neither are wind turbines, which require extensive acreage, kill birds, and provide inadequate amounts of intermittent, expensive electricity that CANNOT POSSIBLY sustain modern societies.”
[Emphasis added.]
“Nuclear to the Rescue”
by Paul Driessen
At www.counterwind.blogspot.com
Where you will find-
“…coal-fired power plants…aren't perfect ecologically, but neither are wind turbines, which require extensive acreage, kill birds, and provide inadequate amounts of intermittent, expensive electricity that CANNOT POSSIBLY sustain modern societies.”
[Emphasis added.]
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In response to: The Kennedys are leaving Hyannisport.
In response to: The Kennedys are leaving Hyannisport.
SP,
See: "Nonsense By Any Other Name:
Calling Carbon Dioxide A Pollutant Doesn't Make It A Pollutant"
by Gerald Marsh, Physicist, Argonne National Laboratory.
http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA458.html
"It is becoming increasingly fashionable to maintain that carbon dioxide is a pollutant,"
"These claims are not only wrong, they are irresponsible…"
"Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas that occurs naturally in the atmosphere and helps to maintain the earth at a temperature suitable for life. Carbon dioxide is essential to the growth of all plants. Without it, plants could not grow and all animal life would consequently die. In no way is this gas a pollutant. To call it one is badly misleading."
"The principal greenhouse gas is water vapor."
"....we don't yet understand the earth's climate well enough to be able to assess the long-term effect of the carbon dioxide that comes from burning fossil fuels."
"Nonsense by any other name is still nonsense."
See: "Nonsense By Any Other Name:
Calling Carbon Dioxide A Pollutant Doesn't Make It A Pollutant"
by Gerald Marsh, Physicist, Argonne National Laboratory.
http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA458.html
"It is becoming increasingly fashionable to maintain that carbon dioxide is a pollutant,"
"These claims are not only wrong, they are irresponsible…"
"Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas that occurs naturally in the atmosphere and helps to maintain the earth at a temperature suitable for life. Carbon dioxide is essential to the growth of all plants. Without it, plants could not grow and all animal life would consequently die. In no way is this gas a pollutant. To call it one is badly misleading."
"The principal greenhouse gas is water vapor."
"....we don't yet understand the earth's climate well enough to be able to assess the long-term effect of the carbon dioxide that comes from burning fossil fuels."
"Nonsense by any other name is still nonsense."
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In response to: Dr. Strangelove
In response to: Dr. Strangelove
Bravo Barbara.
See comment [2 of 98] pasted below from…
“Wind Generation's Performance during the July 2006 California Heat
Storm”
David Dixon, Nuclear Engineer, US DOE, Oakland Operations
http://topics.energycentral.com/centers/gentech/view/detail.cfm?aid=1332
“A widely used power source that has an average 4%-10% capacity factor
during the very time when it is most needed is not just disappointing - it is darn near criminal. Taxpayers have provided huge quantities of cash to wind turbine operators, constructors and salesmen. It is time to recognize just what that cash has bought - a
feel good, unreliable, unsightly waste of beautiful countryside.”
Rod Adams
See comment [2 of 98] pasted below from…
“Wind Generation's Performance during the July 2006 California Heat
Storm”
David Dixon, Nuclear Engineer, US DOE, Oakland Operations
http://topics.energycentral.com/centers/gentech/view/detail.cfm?aid=1332
“A widely used power source that has an average 4%-10% capacity factor
during the very time when it is most needed is not just disappointing - it is darn near criminal. Taxpayers have provided huge quantities of cash to wind turbine operators, constructors and salesmen. It is time to recognize just what that cash has bought - a
feel good, unreliable, unsightly waste of beautiful countryside.”
Rod Adams
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In response to: Cape Wind increases output, reduces lights
In response to: Cape Wind increases output, reduces lights
Chuck,
If the Canal plant troubles you so much, and is such a danger to public health as you have mentioned many times now, why did you choose to buy a house only one mile away?
If the Canal plant troubles you so much, and is such a danger to public health as you have mentioned many times now, why did you choose to buy a house only one mile away?
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In response to: Oil man, one of America's 400 richest , stopping renewable energy for his view
In response to: Oil man, one of America's 400 richest , stopping renewable energy for his view
Bobcat87's comment, "...this is starting to become scary..." reminded me of these two www articles-
'We Know Where You Live'
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=102402C
'We Know Where You Live' Part II
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=110802A
'We Know Where You Live'
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=102402C
'We Know Where You Live' Part II
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=110802A
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In response to: Oil man, one of America's 400 richest , stopping renewable energy for his view
In response to: Oil man, one of America's 400 richest , stopping renewable energy for his view
SP,
You say, “I will eat my words,”
...if there is more documented written / spoken "fat-cat" verbage” from Jim G.
Sink your teeth into this- :)
“There's a selfish and entitled attitude on the part of many waterfront estate owners," says James Gordon, president of Cape Wind.
and,
"Our opponents are fond of saying that Nantucket Sound is not for sale," Gordon said. "And sometimes I think that's because they believe they already own it."
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2004/11/15/wind__energy/
BTW, in my humble opinion, Nantucket Sound is not for lease either.
You say, “I will eat my words,”
...if there is more documented written / spoken "fat-cat" verbage” from Jim G.
Sink your teeth into this- :)
“There's a selfish and entitled attitude on the part of many waterfront estate owners," says James Gordon, president of Cape Wind.
and,
"Our opponents are fond of saying that Nantucket Sound is not for sale," Gordon said. "And sometimes I think that's because they believe they already own it."
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2004/11/15/wind__energy/
BTW, in my humble opinion, Nantucket Sound is not for lease either.
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In response to: Oil man, one of America's 400 richest , stopping renewable energy for his view
In response to: Oil man, one of America's 400 richest , stopping renewable energy for his view
"These fat cats with waterfront estates go to cocktail parties and claim they're all for renewable energy," says Cape Wind’s President Jim Gordon. "But when it comes to their own views, it is pure nimbyism — not in my backyard."
http://www.awb.org/cgi-bin/absolutenm/templates/?a=1253&z=10
"Don't Put That Windmill in My Backyard!"
Don Brunell
June 16, 2006
http://www.awb.org/cgi-bin/absolutenm/templates/?a=1253&z=10
"Don't Put That Windmill in My Backyard!"
Don Brunell
June 16, 2006
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In response to: Tilting at Windmills
In response to: Tilting at Windmills
Be sure to read-
"Benefits of German wind energy exist only in the imagination of its supporters."
here-
www.counterwind.blogspot.com
"Benefits of German wind energy exist only in the imagination of its supporters."
here-
www.counterwind.blogspot.com
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In response to: Hidden, as in plain sight
In response to: Hidden, as in plain sight
Moses,
You wrote,
“ Does historic preservation include the whale boat captains houses on Nantucket?”
Glad you asked. That very subject is addressed in the NTHP comment-
“The National Trust has long been engaged in preservation issues within the Nantucket Sound region. For example, in 1994, we placed Cape Cod on our List of 11 Most Endangered Historic Places to address the threat of incompatible development on the historic character of the Cape. And in 2000, we listed Nantucket among our 11 Most Endangered Historic Places to publicize the increase in “teardowns” and “gut-rehabs” of historic homes, which also threatened the area’s historic character.”
That’s my point Moses- preserving the widely recognized historic character of Cape Cod, Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket is important. Nantucket Sound connects all three. Cape Wind would be a major aberration in my opinion.
You wrote,
“ Does historic preservation include the whale boat captains houses on Nantucket?”
Glad you asked. That very subject is addressed in the NTHP comment-
“The National Trust has long been engaged in preservation issues within the Nantucket Sound region. For example, in 1994, we placed Cape Cod on our List of 11 Most Endangered Historic Places to address the threat of incompatible development on the historic character of the Cape. And in 2000, we listed Nantucket among our 11 Most Endangered Historic Places to publicize the increase in “teardowns” and “gut-rehabs” of historic homes, which also threatened the area’s historic character.”
That’s my point Moses- preserving the widely recognized historic character of Cape Cod, Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket is important. Nantucket Sound connects all three. Cape Wind would be a major aberration in my opinion.
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In response to: Hidden, as in plain sight
In response to: Hidden, as in plain sight
lmco35@gmail.com writes,
“[N]o one (besides the wealthy landowners on Cape Cod) are saying that wind farms are harmful to the environment.”
Moses, You really need to read the comment submitted to the MMS by the National Trust for Historic Preservation.
Here is the conclusion-
“In light of the significant historic properties affected by the Cape Wind Project, including at least two National Historic Landmarks, MMS’ compliance with Sections 106 and 110(f) of the NHPA and the requirements of NEPA are critical. The National Trust does support the need for and advancement of renewable energy technology. However, we caution against a solution to this problem that would irreparably alter, damage, or destroy aspects of our national heritage without serious consideration of alternatives and/or modifications. MMS should make every effort to understand the implications of the Cape Wind Project, and if necessary deny the applicant’s 30-year lease request.”
“[N]o one (besides the wealthy landowners on Cape Cod) are saying that wind farms are harmful to the environment.”
Moses, You really need to read the comment submitted to the MMS by the National Trust for Historic Preservation.
Here is the conclusion-
“In light of the significant historic properties affected by the Cape Wind Project, including at least two National Historic Landmarks, MMS’ compliance with Sections 106 and 110(f) of the NHPA and the requirements of NEPA are critical. The National Trust does support the need for and advancement of renewable energy technology. However, we caution against a solution to this problem that would irreparably alter, damage, or destroy aspects of our national heritage without serious consideration of alternatives and/or modifications. MMS should make every effort to understand the implications of the Cape Wind Project, and if necessary deny the applicant’s 30-year lease request.”
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In response to: Dear Lt. Governor, is lying to us worse than not knowing?
In response to: Dear Lt. Governor, is lying to us worse than not knowing?
Capri,
I thought so. I guess this means Cape Wind photos should also be characterized as “faked.”
The following might help clear up today’s dispute over photos. See-
“Against the Wind Blog”
“FYI Pictures from the DEIS for Cape Wind”
Jack Coleman (registered user) writes:
01/28/06 @ 11:15 am
”...At a MTC stakeholder meeting in January 2003, open to the public, simulations made by consultants for both Cape Wind and the Alliance were shown and the consensus at the meeting was that there was little difference between them, as I reported in the Times.”
I thought so. I guess this means Cape Wind photos should also be characterized as “faked.”
The following might help clear up today’s dispute over photos. See-
“Against the Wind Blog”
“FYI Pictures from the DEIS for Cape Wind”
Jack Coleman (registered user) writes:
01/28/06 @ 11:15 am
”...At a MTC stakeholder meeting in January 2003, open to the public, simulations made by consultants for both Cape Wind and the Alliance were shown and the consensus at the meeting was that there was little difference between them, as I reported in the Times.”
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In response to: Dear Lt. Governor, is lying to us worse than not knowing?
In response to: Dear Lt. Governor, is lying to us worse than not knowing?
WB,
I remember a story from long ago- it may have been published in either the Boston Globe, CCTimes, or even here,- that told how the Army Corp of Engineers was very surprised to find "photo simulations" submitted by the APNS and Cape Wind were in agreement with one another.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I believe Audra is holding a copy of one of the photos sent off to the USACE.
I remember a story from long ago- it may have been published in either the Boston Globe, CCTimes, or even here,- that told how the Army Corp of Engineers was very surprised to find "photo simulations" submitted by the APNS and Cape Wind were in agreement with one another.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I believe Audra is holding a copy of one of the photos sent off to the USACE.
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In response to: Dear Lt. Governor, is lying to us worse than not knowing?
In response to: Dear Lt. Governor, is lying to us worse than not knowing?
Capri's right... again.
A line of text ran along the bottom of the banner. It read:
"Paid for by the Healey for Governor Committee and the Hillman for Lt. Governor Committee."
I paid... careful attention when I looked at the banner yesterday. Nothing about the Alliance there at all. You'll need to erase one of those arrows in your photo if you are interested in truth and honesty.
It's a great looking banner. I hope to see it more often.
A line of text ran along the bottom of the banner. It read:
"Paid for by the Healey for Governor Committee and the Hillman for Lt. Governor Committee."
I paid... careful attention when I looked at the banner yesterday. Nothing about the Alliance there at all. You'll need to erase one of those arrows in your photo if you are interested in truth and honesty.
It's a great looking banner. I hope to see it more often.
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In response to: Danes buying 1/3 of former electric price
In response to: Danes buying 1/3 of former electric price
Chuck,
The picture?
People around the world are now ‘fussing’ about the appearance of wind power plants.
Why they even fuss about it in Denmark, however inconvenient that may be to wind enthusiasts.
Please keep in mind the largest selling newspaper in Denmark ran an editorial on Sept. 22, 2004 titled “Out with the Turbines.”
The term ‘horrors’ is used to describe land based wind “parks.”
More from “Out with the Turbines”-
“…the state that wind mills influence nature must be thoroughly examined before the placement of new ocean wind farms.“
“...future ocean wind parks should be planned for areas with as little influence on animal life as possible… and with as little visual disturbance as possible.”
“…a full stop should be in place for gigantic windfarms in coastal areas… the government should place new offshore turbines as far to sea as possible so they do not spoil nature or the view.”
“It is true Denmark has placed itself as a frontrunner in wind energy, but it has been done at the cost of large natural values and with huge public subsidies."
The picture?
People around the world are now ‘fussing’ about the appearance of wind power plants.
Why they even fuss about it in Denmark, however inconvenient that may be to wind enthusiasts.
Please keep in mind the largest selling newspaper in Denmark ran an editorial on Sept. 22, 2004 titled “Out with the Turbines.”
The term ‘horrors’ is used to describe land based wind “parks.”
More from “Out with the Turbines”-
“…the state that wind mills influence nature must be thoroughly examined before the placement of new ocean wind farms.“
“...future ocean wind parks should be planned for areas with as little influence on animal life as possible… and with as little visual disturbance as possible.”
“…a full stop should be in place for gigantic windfarms in coastal areas… the government should place new offshore turbines as far to sea as possible so they do not spoil nature or the view.”
“It is true Denmark has placed itself as a frontrunner in wind energy, but it has been done at the cost of large natural values and with huge public subsidies."
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In response to: Danes buying 1/3 of former electric price
In response to: Danes buying 1/3 of former electric price
Don’t be so sure Danes are “cool” with wind power C.C.Guy.
Last night Mr. Jensen referred to a poll done this year in Denmark, intended to gage attitudes towards wind energy. No surprise his spin was all positive, but he was not telling us the whole story. There’s no doubt the poll is the same one described in this Copenhagen Post news article-
“Windmills rule, but not in our neighbourhood”
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/95004.html
“A majority of people support building more electricity generating windmills- just not in their neighbourhood.”
“…Support for construction of the 80m tall towers, however, is suffering from the not-in-my-backyard effect. While 90 percent of all Danes say more mills should be built, municipalities looking to erect new ones often meet with stiff resistance from residents.”
“Most people accept - and are proud of - the economic and environmental benefits associated with windmills, but people living near them complain that the mills spoil their view or that the constant drum of three 27m blades is similar to living to a motorway..."
Last night Mr. Jensen referred to a poll done this year in Denmark, intended to gage attitudes towards wind energy. No surprise his spin was all positive, but he was not telling us the whole story. There’s no doubt the poll is the same one described in this Copenhagen Post news article-
“Windmills rule, but not in our neighbourhood”
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/95004.html
“A majority of people support building more electricity generating windmills- just not in their neighbourhood.”
“…Support for construction of the 80m tall towers, however, is suffering from the not-in-my-backyard effect. While 90 percent of all Danes say more mills should be built, municipalities looking to erect new ones often meet with stiff resistance from residents.”
“Most people accept - and are proud of - the economic and environmental benefits associated with windmills, but people living near them complain that the mills spoil their view or that the constant drum of three 27m blades is similar to living to a motorway..."
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In response to: Danes buying 1/3 of former electric price
In response to: Danes buying 1/3 of former electric price
Last night’s presentation was far from convincing Chris. Read a more accurate assessment of Danish wind power here;
"Wind Power Report Shows Facts Instead of Myths"
http://www.absenergyresearch.com/cmsfiles/reports/Wind-Power-Report-2006.pdf
Excerpts-
”…this report highlights studies that raise critical concerns challenging some of the claims made for wind power. Badly needed evidence is now available after three years of large scale operation of wind turbines in five countries...”
“…these studies are the first real evidence showing how wind actually works, as opposed to what has been claimed.”
“...reports from E.On Netz, the [German] system operator with the largest wind power feed-in in the world, and Eltra of Denmark, which had the largest percentage wind power contribution, show disturbing results."
"Among bombshells, the study suggests that while wind power capacity will reach 48 GW by 2020 in Germany, the source is so intermittent and unreliable that it is equivalent to only 2 GW of stable fossil fuel capacity."
"Wind Power Report Shows Facts Instead of Myths"
http://www.absenergyresearch.com/cmsfiles/reports/Wind-Power-Report-2006.pdf
Excerpts-
”…this report highlights studies that raise critical concerns challenging some of the claims made for wind power. Badly needed evidence is now available after three years of large scale operation of wind turbines in five countries...”
“…these studies are the first real evidence showing how wind actually works, as opposed to what has been claimed.”
“...reports from E.On Netz, the [German] system operator with the largest wind power feed-in in the world, and Eltra of Denmark, which had the largest percentage wind power contribution, show disturbing results."
"Among bombshells, the study suggests that while wind power capacity will reach 48 GW by 2020 in Germany, the source is so intermittent and unreliable that it is equivalent to only 2 GW of stable fossil fuel capacity."
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In response to: Danish wind power expert at Cape College Wednesday
In response to: Danish wind power expert at Cape College Wednesday
[continued]
"At more than $101 billion, the oil and gas industry pays 40 times more in royalties and taxes than the subsidies that it receives (a total of about $2.4 billion – which includes $.8 billion for the Low Income Heating Energy Assistance Program).
While fossil fuels combined, leaving out LEHEAP, do receive slightly more in subsidies in absolute dollars than renewables (excluding hydropower) combined ($1.6 billion vs. $1.1 billion), per unit of energy produced renewables receive more than 3 times the amount of subsidies that fossil fuels receive ($308 million per quadrillion BTU vs. 92 million per QBTU). And, unlike fossil fuels, renewables do not produce more in tax or income revenues than the subsidies that they receive."
"Conclusion. Wind power is expensive, doesn’t deliver the environmental benefits it promises and imposes substantial environmental costs. Accordingly, it does not merit continued government promotion or funding.”
"At more than $101 billion, the oil and gas industry pays 40 times more in royalties and taxes than the subsidies that it receives (a total of about $2.4 billion – which includes $.8 billion for the Low Income Heating Energy Assistance Program).
While fossil fuels combined, leaving out LEHEAP, do receive slightly more in subsidies in absolute dollars than renewables (excluding hydropower) combined ($1.6 billion vs. $1.1 billion), per unit of energy produced renewables receive more than 3 times the amount of subsidies that fossil fuels receive ($308 million per quadrillion BTU vs. 92 million per QBTU). And, unlike fossil fuels, renewables do not produce more in tax or income revenues than the subsidies that they receive."
"Conclusion. Wind power is expensive, doesn’t deliver the environmental benefits it promises and imposes substantial environmental costs. Accordingly, it does not merit continued government promotion or funding.”
neil good [Member]
In response to: Danish wind power expert at Cape College Wednesday
In response to: Danish wind power expert at Cape College Wednesday
Jane,
I’m glad to see you recognize there are 'other' issues raised by those article headlines. Taken all together they bring to mind the line from Hamlet-
“Something is rotten in the State of Denmark”
For more on wind vs. fossil fuel subsidies see;
“Wind Power: Not Green but Red”
http://www.ncpa.org/prs/tst/20040501hsburnett.htm
“Comparing Wind Subsidies and Taxes to Conventional Fuels: Wind proponents often complain that it is unfair to single out tax credits and other forms of subsidies to their industry, or to renewable fuels in general, for attack, since, they argue, the fossil fuel industry receives subsidies as well. This is true as far as it goes, and, of course at the NCPA we argue for an end to subsidies
I’m glad to see you recognize there are 'other' issues raised by those article headlines. Taken all together they bring to mind the line from Hamlet-
“Something is rotten in the State of Denmark”
For more on wind vs. fossil fuel subsidies see;
“Wind Power: Not Green but Red”
http://www.ncpa.org/prs/tst/20040501hsburnett.htm
“Comparing Wind Subsidies and Taxes to Conventional Fuels: Wind proponents often complain that it is unfair to single out tax credits and other forms of subsidies to their industry, or to renewable fuels in general, for attack, since, they argue, the fossil fuel industry receives subsidies as well. This is true as far as it goes, and, of course at the NCPA we argue for an end to subsidies
In response to: The tribes' claim seems unsupportable
Check those maps again and look for 'Popponesset Beach' in Mashpee. Do you think that area would NOT provide a clear view of Cape Wind's industrial site?
...and btw, have you heard of the Chappaquiddick Wampanoag Tribe?