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Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Halloween Horror Request!!
In response to: Halloween Horror Request!!
Too bad the two I saw yesterday don't come by, Ned --- because I am sure that they had BEST costume on Main Street in Hyannis yesterday - HANDS DOWN - they were two black, cheerleader zombie girls with the bullet holes in their faces and in the "Bullets" Cheerleader Squad outfits! THEY WERE GREAT!!!! And I hope they see this because I missed telling them and their parents how cool they looked.
Had to say that first - now second: Great cartoon Ned!:)
Had to say that first - now second: Great cartoon Ned!:)
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Massachusetts Maritime Academy
In response to: Massachusetts Maritime Academy
Some of those guys look a little "hefty" in the belly. They must have pretty lax physical requirements. Or none at all?
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Too Fat To Shoot Dope?
In response to: Too Fat To Shoot Dope?
You are right of course, Ned. I could not resist.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Too Fat To Shoot Dope?
In response to: Too Fat To Shoot Dope?
"IF" only. AA cannot, does not and is not designed to "help addicts" - and that is the point. Missed, I guess. Oh well. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Too Fat To Shoot Dope?
In response to: Too Fat To Shoot Dope?
BTW Ned, just so perspective is correct - Artie's wrote a book titled, "Too Fat To Fish" hence the reference.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: How would Single Payer work for you?
In response to: How would Single Payer work for you?
All it takes for my eyes to glaze over amidst all the hoopla over health-care is the realization that one tablet that costs about .04 cents to manufacture goes for 30 bucks or more ---- and everyone seems cool with that. HUH? We have gone mad. Totally insane. Nothing anyone says on the matter has any credibility at all to me - for or against. The dems are full of shit - the republicans are full of shit and so is everyone in between at this stage.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: How would Single Payer work for you?
In response to: How would Single Payer work for you?
Gee whiz it sounds like a real Utopia! Are there any downsides?
- Pollyanna Whittier, Vt.
- Pollyanna Whittier, Vt.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Am I An Alcoholic?
In response to: Am I An Alcoholic?
Hi Peter, Not good enough. He's got to 'WANT' to stop forever.
"Will he take every necessary step, submit to anything to get well, to stop drinking forever?" (142:1, Alcoholics Anonymous)
We "LIVE" a day at a time through the 24 hour plan. We don't DRINK EVER again. The idea that we "just don't drink" just for one day comes from outside of the AA practice and teaching. In fact it MAY be a large part of the the reason he has not done well in AA to this point - thinking that all he has to do is not drink 'today.' Another ubiquitous POP-AA slogan - never embraced by the co-founders. DJS
"Will he take every necessary step, submit to anything to get well, to stop drinking forever?" (142:1, Alcoholics Anonymous)
We "LIVE" a day at a time through the 24 hour plan. We don't DRINK EVER again. The idea that we "just don't drink" just for one day comes from outside of the AA practice and teaching. In fact it MAY be a large part of the the reason he has not done well in AA to this point - thinking that all he has to do is not drink 'today.' Another ubiquitous POP-AA slogan - never embraced by the co-founders. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Am I An Alcoholic?
In response to: Am I An Alcoholic?
Many people can stop drinking if they want to. Other cannot stop even if they want to - even they need to.
Obviously it would be in the best interest of your health, your kids and your wife to stop drinking. I have a question:
Would you like to stop drinking once and for all? Now and forever?
If so then contact me privately please - and I will help you. Going in and out of AA - or just going IN AA without the solution won't do squat. I guess you found that out already. But I would be more than happy to show you what I did. No hitches. No conditions. No charge. It worked - fast and well. If not - at least looked into it right?
Contact me privately at this email addy:
ready2stop4edver@dannyschwarzhoff.net
Obviously it would be in the best interest of your health, your kids and your wife to stop drinking. I have a question:
Would you like to stop drinking once and for all? Now and forever?
If so then contact me privately please - and I will help you. Going in and out of AA - or just going IN AA without the solution won't do squat. I guess you found that out already. But I would be more than happy to show you what I did. No hitches. No conditions. No charge. It worked - fast and well. If not - at least looked into it right?
Contact me privately at this email addy:
ready2stop4edver@dannyschwarzhoff.net
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Getting Rid of God
In response to: Getting Rid of God
Nice segue. Ned - always keeping things "on topic" :)
Not just beer. Cat also goes well with many dry wines. "Schwatzkat Reisling" for one - although that was not developed by the Egyptians, obviously.
DJS
Not just beer. Cat also goes well with many dry wines. "Schwatzkat Reisling" for one - although that was not developed by the Egyptians, obviously.
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Getting Rid of God
In response to: Getting Rid of God
You're giving away your "going green" strategy Ned! :)
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Hey man! You got your blow in my soda!"
In response to: "Hey man! You got your blow in my soda!"
I don't know man . . . I know MANY MANY alkies who "don't drink" ETOH but seem to be just a bit over-enthusiastic about their Red Bull. Is this a thing that makes you go HMMMMM? I have never tasted it. I am like Ned - way to powerless over ccccccccccaffeien..... DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Hey man! You got your blow in my soda!"
In response to: "Hey man! You got your blow in my soda!"
It's worse when it happens for real. Trust me.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Talented local artist, performer takes home an Emmy for reality video
In response to: Talented local artist, performer takes home an Emmy for reality video
All I can say is WOW!
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: AWOL Is Counterfeit Alcoholics Anonymous
In response to: AWOL Is Counterfeit Alcoholics Anonymous
I actually agree with much of what you say. If we in AA were doing our job - instead of using AA as a "look ma not drinkon toadyu" social clubhouse.AA is top heavy with non-alcoholic predators in my observation. Returning to our Primary Purpose would allow more real alcoholics to find the solution in AA meetings and there would be no other movements cropping up.
I don't know that sexual tensions or inappropriateness is any more rampant in AA than any other culture - workplace, fraternity, country club ect.
Thanks for you comments! I really appreciate it.
I don't know that sexual tensions or inappropriateness is any more rampant in AA than any other culture - workplace, fraternity, country club ect.
Thanks for you comments! I really appreciate it.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Cures For Alcoholism
In response to: Cures For Alcoholism
Answering for myself only:
If a 'cure' for alcoholism came along I would not be interested. As someone who has recovered today I would not drink anymore even if I could.
I am grateful for alcohol -- for its bringing me to a place where I could let go of myself and accept a new Power in who does a hell of a better job managing things than I ever did.
Man, that is a good question. DJS
If a 'cure' for alcoholism came along I would not be interested. As someone who has recovered today I would not drink anymore even if I could.
I am grateful for alcohol -- for its bringing me to a place where I could let go of myself and accept a new Power in who does a hell of a better job managing things than I ever did.
Man, that is a good question. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Alcohol Is NOT a Drug. Period.
In response to: Alcohol Is NOT a Drug. Period.
What about those poisonous toads down in the southwest that some Indians tribes used to lick in order to have spiritual experiences afforded by the toxins they secrete through their warty skin?
"Hello my name is Spinning Head and I am a toad addict"DJS
"Hello my name is Spinning Head and I am a toad addict"DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Alcohol Is NOT a Drug. Period.
In response to: Alcohol Is NOT a Drug. Period.
There's always someone who tries this correlatiuon - and there is none.
Mushrooms 'contain' Tryptamine. No one gets high on the mushroom itself. It's the drug IN it that is the offender. The mushroom is merely the delivery device.
No one gets high on marijuana vegetation. They get high on tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) which is contoined in the plant.
These are drugs which are not metabolized like alcohol is metabolized. Alcohol is a carbohydrate which is broken down for its energy/caloric values. Drugs are not.
I swear it is true. DJS
Mushrooms 'contain' Tryptamine. No one gets high on the mushroom itself. It's the drug IN it that is the offender. The mushroom is merely the delivery device.
No one gets high on marijuana vegetation. They get high on tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) which is contoined in the plant.
These are drugs which are not metabolized like alcohol is metabolized. Alcohol is a carbohydrate which is broken down for its energy/caloric values. Drugs are not.
I swear it is true. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Alkies Get Our Freak On
In response to: Alkies Get Our Freak On
It ends with the "Duck Lady" after the freaks got her - (She was the "hot chick" who was going to run off with Hercules the strong mans money after feigning love and marriage to him) She got her comeuppance. But still it was real creepy.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Alkies Get Our Freak On
In response to: Alkies Get Our Freak On
Same era. Tod Brownings "Freaks" 1932.
It's a love story.(No kidding) DJS
It's a love story.(No kidding) DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Alkies Get Our Freak On
In response to: Alkies Get Our Freak On
Yeah. Cape Cod Times could (have been) be so much but has gone down a path where it is jejune and irrelevant. God, what wasteful use of newsprint and ink! It kills me. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dealership takes Saab bankruptcy filing in stride
In response to: Dealership takes Saab bankruptcy filing in stride
What a CROCK! One thing glaringly missing in this whole 'Misery of Auto Industry' saga - the thing that makes our economy work and has always protected us, the consumer ever since the installation of Capitalism is the asnwer to this question:
WHEN DO THE PRICES DROP!!?
OK? THAT! is how an economy stimulates ITSELF in a healthy environment. The people who want to bail out these inefficient dinosaurs with their neighbors hard earned dollars are accomplishing short lived Hoorahs but guaranteeing WITHOUT FAIL that we consumer pay top price for inferior product – Instead of lowest price for superior product. This is the exact opposite of how we as a Capitalist economy used to work and how we built such a storing nation. Now we are going weak in the knees through greed. Good by USA. Our entry into the league of third world nations is imminent. The new Europe we are. The only thing missing will be misshapen heads and bad teeth – then again in thirty or forty years . . . . who knows?
Peace,
Danny S - RLRA
Real Live Recovered Alcoholic
http://recoveredalcoholic.blogspot.co
WHEN DO THE PRICES DROP!!?
OK? THAT! is how an economy stimulates ITSELF in a healthy environment. The people who want to bail out these inefficient dinosaurs with their neighbors hard earned dollars are accomplishing short lived Hoorahs but guaranteeing WITHOUT FAIL that we consumer pay top price for inferior product – Instead of lowest price for superior product. This is the exact opposite of how we as a Capitalist economy used to work and how we built such a storing nation. Now we are going weak in the knees through greed. Good by USA. Our entry into the league of third world nations is imminent. The new Europe we are. The only thing missing will be misshapen heads and bad teeth – then again in thirty or forty years . . . . who knows?
Peace,
Danny S - RLRA
Real Live Recovered Alcoholic
http://recoveredalcoholic.blogspot.co
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
OH NO! Ah, I hope that doesn't mean I have just complicated my time going through airports. I do enough International travel to be concerned.DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
Selkie - do thos ecrews come out eventually? I forgot to ask Doc. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
I thank God for them and I also dislike them intensely. They aren't so bad though as long as the prescription is followed - AND take some Metamucil !! But I know how you feel. I knew a guy one time who sued to swallow 14 of them at a time. One big gulp! That we his "number" to get him where he wanted to be. The VA would send him a box once month an he’d just open it up ands start taking them. Here's a guy who told me he was an "alcoholic" and never mentioned his pills until one day I ran into him 'high". It turned out he never had a problem with EtOH. No wonder he could get help in AA. His counselors told him to lie that way. Weird. Imagine basing a Program of total honesty on a foundation of pure dishonesty? Whew! It is horrible. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Destroying a local newspaper; Own a daily for sale for $1.50
In response to: Destroying a local newspaper; Own a daily for sale for $1.50
I've had the good fortune of making friends with recovered alkies all over the world and sometimes I get invited to do Twelve Step talks and BB workshops in other parts of the world (going to South Africa in April) and when I was last in Denmark - one of my favorite parts of the world - I saw an awful lot of working turbines "at sea" that I understand mare tried tested and deemed worth it. That is the experience with it - not mere opinion. We have a lot of opinion about the projects all over the place but how much comment is really based on fact and experience? I don’t know the answer but I can count - and I know you can too, Know what I mean? (butterbean) DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
Being a Christian guy who celebrates Chanukah, Christmas and Easter and Passover - MAN where the heck can I GO? Besides AA. :) DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
from a fearless thorough inventory of our past lives and a continuous review of our shortcomings as we go along? Its not a bad way to live and there not all the trappings of a religion.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
have drastic upheavals - we discover that our way of life has benefits for all. I mean who wouldn't benefit (cont)
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
having kids, new job, relationship whatever - we change the way we live when we practice the twelve Steps and that is because it results in a spiritual experience which for very many of us can be quite dramatic (meeting goers who don't pick it up don't experience that) but we who actually do practice the steps very many of us (cont)
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Destroying a local newspaper; Own a daily for sale for $1.50
In response to: Destroying a local newspaper; Own a daily for sale for $1.50
Several years ago I proposed to the Cape Cod Times a freelance help column about alcoholism and recovery,much kinder and gentler than my blogs, obviously more of a help column. It was not jumped on and that is eno0ugh proof enough for me; the editors of the Times lack of good judgment. Ahem! Screw em’ I’ll try for straight syndication. But seriously Walter - thems is some strong statement from you. Obviously informed statements too. I would certainly tend to believe you and support it. Don’t get me started on the Times. Without making an effort to back up my observations and opinion - it is one of the most amateurish piece of trash in print with the nerve to call itself a newspaper that I know of. I find its content to be useless and not to be taken seriously. There are several editors for whom I do hold some respect - who do show talent and experience in their work. But in its entirely that paper is a just a joke masquerading as a serious newspaper. It is no newspaper. Talk about missed opportunities, the Times could be an unbelievable model of great journalism and MAKE $ TOO.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
Oh I should mention that real drug addicts - even if you are also an alcoholic - DON'T do what we non-addict alkies can do. You still can't take drugs without a DOC/HOSPITAL. I say this because either are lots of drug addicts running around calling themselves alcoholics - after a while they believe they are one in the same. They are not. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
Kathy, One of the reasons I dislike narcotics is that it makes me 'sleep funny'- No matter how small or large the dosage I wake up with some sort of hangover effect hanging over me. It is slight, vague and tolerable - a hell of a lot better than being in pain - but it is noticeable. It is reminiscent of the way I used to feel in the morning after I drank so I guess that is why it makes me a little pimply under the cuffs. Still its better than hurtin' DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
In response to: "Just Don't Drink"
Danke Cru!
When I had a surgery about eight years ago or so my "relationship' with the Percoset came to an abrupt halt - just as all prescriptions must - and I experienced nausea, depression, and even some relapse into pain. What my RN sister (a recovered drug addict) explained to me was that EVERYONE who takes narcotics gets addicted. Its human physiology. I was detoxing - just like any normal person who was wrapping up their surgery treatment would. At first I freaked out - but it made me realzie that my understanding that drug addiction and alcoholism although perhaps close cousins are NOT a hundred Percoset identical twins. Later research confirmed that Alcohol is not a drug. It is a Food. A carbohydrate. And my body does not metabolize it the way it does drugs. It digests it the way it does sugars carbs, protein etc.
So off I go and GIMME DEM PILLS BABY! I don't want any pain! :)Even non-addicts and alcoholics like to feel better. That's not a crime even if it might be a sin against the Church of Recoverology.
I agree Cru and thanks for the encouragement.
When I had a surgery about eight years ago or so my "relationship' with the Percoset came to an abrupt halt - just as all prescriptions must - and I experienced nausea, depression, and even some relapse into pain. What my RN sister (a recovered drug addict) explained to me was that EVERYONE who takes narcotics gets addicted. Its human physiology. I was detoxing - just like any normal person who was wrapping up their surgery treatment would. At first I freaked out - but it made me realzie that my understanding that drug addiction and alcoholism although perhaps close cousins are NOT a hundred Percoset identical twins. Later research confirmed that Alcohol is not a drug. It is a Food. A carbohydrate. And my body does not metabolize it the way it does drugs. It digests it the way it does sugars carbs, protein etc.
So off I go and GIMME DEM PILLS BABY! I don't want any pain! :)Even non-addicts and alcoholics like to feel better. That's not a crime even if it might be a sin against the Church of Recoverology.
I agree Cru and thanks for the encouragement.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Cape Cod Photo of the Week- NY Times Best Selling Author
In response to: Cape Cod Photo of the Week- NY Times Best Selling Author
Fantastic. A million congratulations to your wife and to you. As someone who has spent the last five years either holed up in the ‘writing’ room here on the Cape or fastened to a resin patio chair beating up the keyboard and who is just now forced to embark on that infamous and, well . . . frankly, tedious and boring job of shopping - marketing and otherwise kissing some ass for a lit agent, I can share the excitement with you guys. I do not even know you - but it is so cool to hear! Very exciting stuff! I wish you both the best with it.
Peace,
Danny S
Peace,
Danny S
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Happee (hic) Nooooyeah!
In response to: Happee (hic) Nooooyeah!
Hey, it's MY fat - I'll take about it if I want. Sorry if I hit a nerve Ned, -- your "fat appreciation" stuff and all - but hell, it's MY fat man. Having too much around my gut doesn't make me a bad guy. And I talk about it. You're not hungover ate you? :) DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Big Apple Dreamin'
In response to: Big Apple Dreamin'
Bourbon - yes, but it actually is "Wild Turkey" which would be from Kentucky. Hey get yer booze straight. Or mixed. Whichever. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Barnstable Police nab three suspects wanted for house and auto break-ins; Co-workers raise cash to replace Christmas gifts
In response to: Barnstable Police nab three suspects wanted for house and auto break-ins; Co-workers raise cash to replace Christmas gifts
I was considering going over to the Saturn dealership in Hyannis for a new car after the holidays.
OK so now . . . just let me see if I have my information straight:
I can walk into that Saturn dealer over on Bassett Lane - shop for a car, get quotes, apply for financing, negotiate a price with a salesman and the sales manager . . . the whole bit . . . . and I will likely be dealing with guys who ‘on-the-side‘ burglarize houses in the community?
This frakin’ Cape Cod never ceases to amaze me. I gotta get outta here. DJS
OK so now . . . just let me see if I have my information straight:
I can walk into that Saturn dealer over on Bassett Lane - shop for a car, get quotes, apply for financing, negotiate a price with a salesman and the sales manager . . . the whole bit . . . . and I will likely be dealing with guys who ‘on-the-side‘ burglarize houses in the community?
This frakin’ Cape Cod never ceases to amaze me. I gotta get outta here. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: GateHouse Media sues NY Times, seeks to change the Web
In response to: GateHouse Media sues NY Times, seeks to change the Web
What a bunch of backwards goofballs. Walter, let's face it, the world is just changing way too fast for some folks.I mean you must admit we all get caught up in it at times and have to reorganize and refocus our vision - but there guys are supposed to be intelligent businessmen. No wonder they list on the pinks with no one making a market. SHEEESH! DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: The Family Afterward - Dysfunction - Datfuntion
In response to: The Family Afterward - Dysfunction - Datfuntion
I don't know about you but my head got run over by Department of Sanitation truck when I was playing in an empty cardboard refrigerator box in the streets of the D'Bronx. My mom says it looked like a fresh pizza in a box. With anchovies. After it healed this is what I was left with. Oh Well. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: AWOL Is Counterfeit Alcoholics Anonymous
In response to: AWOL Is Counterfeit Alcoholics Anonymous
Thanks Daniel. Mind if I ask - did you have a spiritual awakening as the result? Have you recovered? If you have . . . well then who am I to argue.
BTW - if not - then what next?
THANKS for the comments!!
DJS
BTW - if not - then what next?
THANKS for the comments!!
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Lubing your car for the holidays--try Walter's Quick Lube
In response to: Lubing your car for the holidays--try Walter's Quick Lube
Somebunny- I agree. It is clean and they are nice people. But I want tires that hold air. Clean nice people I can get for nothing. LOL!
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Lubing your car for the holidays--try Walter's Quick Lube
In response to: Lubing your car for the holidays--try Walter's Quick Lube
I bought three brand new tires from Cape & Islands on Bearses Way for my Lincoln - I've been going there for years but THIS is the year that ALL THREE of my new tires LEAK! Each one! One? OK - shit happens. Two?. What gives? BUT ALL THREE? WTF! I don't believe in coincidences and I don't tolerate shoddy work or materials. I also dont' give a flying fig how long you've been in business. It's pathetic and I will never go back to Cape & Island Tire. DJS
DSJ
DSJ
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: The madness of "Black Friday" can kill
In response to: The madness of "Black Friday" can kill
Black Friday is a GOOD thing. It is not a a reference to some "dark side" of retailing. It is the day that business is so good, that customer traffic increases so much that many businesses are thrust "into the black" after having been "in the red" for the preceding months. In accounting and in business, "BLACK" is good. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: US newspapers hemorrhaging ad dollars, web joins print in decline
In response to: US newspapers hemorrhaging ad dollars, web joins print in decline
Lets bail out the newspapers! Then we can go retroactively and bailout the buggy whip companies. If paper & ink are "suppose" do downsize, disappear, adapt or be replaced by something better - - - we don't ever have to find out. Jobs are at stake!
While we're at it let's take the risk out of everything! No business ever fails and no business ever has to invest in new R&D. Then we can just stop production altogether - because it won't matter anymore. We can be just like Russia!
While we're at it let's take the risk out of everything! No business ever fails and no business ever has to invest in new R&D. Then we can just stop production altogether - because it won't matter anymore. We can be just like Russia!
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Panning For Recovery Gold
In response to: Panning For Recovery Gold
I just realized that I have already written an article on CCT about the Step Ten Promises. Here it is:
http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.php/2008/06/06/resting-on-laurels?blog=40
http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.php/2008/06/06/resting-on-laurels?blog=40
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Panning For Recovery Gold
In response to: Panning For Recovery Gold
if they have a third I haven through of, but having experience life on both sides of the fence I have just told you about - I prefer living as a recovered alcoholic. I go where I want to go, do what I want to do and it doesn’t matter if EtOH is being served or not. I don’t know how someone who had to avoid alcohol could ever stay sober if they had to go on Twelve Step calls to help still suffering alkies if they had to avoid being around the stuff. I guess the answer to that is probably as simple as “they just don’t)
I would find out from your friend which he is because some prefer to call it still “recovering”. The ego likes that a bit more. It sounds like maybe they are at least moving in the right direction. Whatever you call it, its still unrecovered and that means that they are still not free from alcohol and are in constant danger.
The co-authors of the Big Book also tell of their experience as recovered alcoholics in what we know as the Tenth Step Promises. I think my next article will cover them if you are re interested. Thanks for asking. I love hearing myself write.
I would find out from your friend which he is because some prefer to call it still “recovering”. The ego likes that a bit more. It sounds like maybe they are at least moving in the right direction. Whatever you call it, its still unrecovered and that means that they are still not free from alcohol and are in constant danger.
The co-authors of the Big Book also tell of their experience as recovered alcoholics in what we know as the Tenth Step Promises. I think my next article will cover them if you are re interested. Thanks for asking. I love hearing myself write.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Panning For Recovery Gold
In response to: Panning For Recovery Gold
You are too kind. As a recovered alcoholic I can give you my experience with situations such as the one you describe. Two words: “No Problem”.
Now, on the other hand there was a period - two years - when I had yet to recover yet was able to stay away from a drink a day at a time. The desire to drink had not been removed and I could succumb to the mental obsession at any time but through sheer willpower, ego driven willpower (the desire to keep my AA “sobriety date”) and by substitution, (‘meetings’ instead of “outings‘) combined with distraction and redirection (keeping busy doing service work and being social AA butterfly - new friends who did no drink) I was able to go places and do things that did not include alcohol. I could successfully avoid temptation. Of course that meant I could never safely go to a wedding, meet someone socially in an establishment which served alcohol. This meant that alcohol was still telling me where I could go and what I could do and that of course meant that was not truly free.
I don’t know where your friend falls in these scenarios or (cont)
Now, on the other hand there was a period - two years - when I had yet to recover yet was able to stay away from a drink a day at a time. The desire to drink had not been removed and I could succumb to the mental obsession at any time but through sheer willpower, ego driven willpower (the desire to keep my AA “sobriety date”) and by substitution, (‘meetings’ instead of “outings‘) combined with distraction and redirection (keeping busy doing service work and being social AA butterfly - new friends who did no drink) I was able to go places and do things that did not include alcohol. I could successfully avoid temptation. Of course that meant I could never safely go to a wedding, meet someone socially in an establishment which served alcohol. This meant that alcohol was still telling me where I could go and what I could do and that of course meant that was not truly free.
I don’t know where your friend falls in these scenarios or (cont)
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "Alcoholics Anonymous" Metaphors
In response to: "Alcoholics Anonymous" Metaphors
You'd have to be familiar with the book and the Program I suppose. But I am "on" prevacid, lipitor and a Venti Latte. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: "You Are Not A Good AA . . .
In response to: "You Are Not A Good AA . . .
As a matter of fact ANYTHING that I might say that cannot be reconciled with the book, "Alcoholics Anonymous" also known as the the "Big Book" -- ought to be disregarded entirely. I do not represent AA, or ANY recovery organization or fellowship _ I am not an expert on God, alcoholism, spirituality, AA, The Big Book or any program of recovery and only convey my own experience as a recovered alcoholic. There are many folks in AA and out of AA who are NOT having the same experiences in recovery and the Twelve Steps that I am having. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: AWOL Is Counterfeit Alcoholics Anonymous
In response to: AWOL Is Counterfeit Alcoholics Anonymous
Jack, you don't even own a Big Book do you? DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: AWOL Is Counterfeit Alcoholics Anonymous
In response to: AWOL Is Counterfeit Alcoholics Anonymous
You're not going to have me kicked out are you? LMAO! DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: AA - Alcohol and Anger
In response to: AA - Alcohol and Anger
I NEVER would have guessed that you would get the St. Anger connection. Never! I am pleasantly surprised. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: AWOL Is Counterfeit Alcoholics Anonymous
In response to: AWOL Is Counterfeit Alcoholics Anonymous
smahcap; More like "Dazed and Confused".
jen h; I can see one AA telling another that they could use a revisit of Step Work - but AWOL? AWOL is nothing more than an admission that AA didn't work.
Some of us will do ANYTHING to avoid the unadulterated version of the spiritual Program of action that one hundred men and women discovered back in the 30s to recover from a seemingly hopeless state of body and mind.
I guess if that stuff could work for me I would have done AWOL too. Who wants to be as drastic as having an entire psychic change proposed by AA? Good for your friend - if it worked for her!
jen h; I can see one AA telling another that they could use a revisit of Step Work - but AWOL? AWOL is nothing more than an admission that AA didn't work.
Some of us will do ANYTHING to avoid the unadulterated version of the spiritual Program of action that one hundred men and women discovered back in the 30s to recover from a seemingly hopeless state of body and mind.
I guess if that stuff could work for me I would have done AWOL too. Who wants to be as drastic as having an entire psychic change proposed by AA? Good for your friend - if it worked for her!
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
Are you kidding Maverick? Most people disagree with me. I wish I had a nickel for everyone who had an opinion countering my experience. I have lots of experience trying to solve my problems your way - without divine help. Some things worked out OK - other times I failed miserably. Alcoholism is one of those failures. Nearly ended up on a slab trying and taking others with me. Let me ask you this - what happened when you tried a divine solution? Did that fail you - so you took matters into your own hand or in other words - ‘did for yourself what God could not do for you.’ - or are you so vocally inclined to opine on things with which you have no experience? What is your experience with a spiritual approach to your problems? It didn’t work? Fair question. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
I will wish you a very happy birthday. And I will tell you that you are of lucky blood to only have problems that required nothing more than your own will to solve. Very lucky and blessed indeed. You certainly could stir up the sticky threads of envy in a man. I mean it. I hope your birthday is a fine one - You know that 70 is the new 50, right? DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: AA - Alcohol and Anger
In response to: AA - Alcohol and Anger
"Digital EtOH" Sorry Ned - but you can consider that to be be officially STOLEN! I am taking it!! And I will be using it in the future!! :)
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
Jonathan you got my response to Maverick mixed up with one for you. I find you to be perfectly respectful and decent when disagreeing or questioning. And I sure don't think you are whacked! We're cool, dude! :)
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
I AM here for attention you are correct. Please pay up. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
You didn't mention church Jon, Maverick did. I was responding to him or her - and hoping he/she has something positive to say to say one day.
What a negative person! SHEESE! DJS
What a negative person! SHEESE! DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
Aside from funerals and weddings I have not been to 'church' since I got married - in D'Bronx 1979 - exactly thirty years ago this coming July. I do not subscribe to ANY organized religions and don't belong to any either. Talk about misjudging - man are YOU barking up a whacked out tree on that one. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
But I HAVE myself and been a witness to precisely that happening to those who have a spiritual awaking - a transformation of being by turning their life and will over to God. I have seen it happen to people who take and practice the Twelve's Steps as well as to those to adopt a new way of life through a more religious affiliation. In either case these are folks who are never again plagued by alcoholism - or much of anything else either. (cont.)
Anger is the death knell to all true alkies Jon. It kills more alcoholics than you can imagine. If I were still an angry guy - which I very much was prior to recovering - although it was very internalized and no one else really knew - I would not be able to stay sober. I am going to scribe a blog about anger. You have inspired me buddy boy! Thanks.
DJS
Anger is the death knell to all true alkies Jon. It kills more alcoholics than you can imagine. If I were still an angry guy - which I very much was prior to recovering - although it was very internalized and no one else really knew - I would not be able to stay sober. I am going to scribe a blog about anger. You have inspired me buddy boy! Thanks.
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
Jon, you are a mench - no apology needed! You are right that I have stated that rehabs/facilities ect. do not work. That, by the way, is not an opinion only - it is an observable experience of mine. I say it because I have NEVER seen one of those institutions provide the alcoholic with a means for the " personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism". And we alkies are suffering form an illness that only a spiritual experience can conquer. We are not suffering from an illness that a good counseling relationship or an anger management course can conquer. I have seen these traditional-humanly applied methods help many non-alcoholic alcohol ABUSERS -- who just happen to have wrecked their lives from drinking too much/too often -- stop drinking and get their lives back in order. But that is because they are not true alcoholics. They are just heavy drinking assholes. (cont)
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
I was so busy defending myself Jon, that I forgot to actually comment on the part of your comment that had some relevance - and I want to. Sorry about that.
You might be interested in knowing that AA is not a secular fellowship. It is a spiritual fellowship. It proposes a Program of recovery that is moral and spiritual.
To say AA should be secular is like saying a Kosher deli ought to sell more pork chops. Oil and water, bro.
The good news is that if you were alcoholic - you would be free to pursue whatever works for you - God - Satan - Edgar Casey - Dr. Phil - Oprah - Depak Chopra - hell Jon, you could even go to AA meetings without EVER learning a damned thing about the AA solution - just hangout out, tell dirty jokes, drink burnt coffee and oggle tramp-stamped drug addicts with wedgied thongs on metal folding chairs ---- OR just drink to the bitter end blotting out the consciousness of your intolerable situation as best you can
What I decided was to accept spiritual help. And I have never regretted it nor has my family.
Ain't America cool? DJS
You might be interested in knowing that AA is not a secular fellowship. It is a spiritual fellowship. It proposes a Program of recovery that is moral and spiritual.
To say AA should be secular is like saying a Kosher deli ought to sell more pork chops. Oil and water, bro.
The good news is that if you were alcoholic - you would be free to pursue whatever works for you - God - Satan - Edgar Casey - Dr. Phil - Oprah - Depak Chopra - hell Jon, you could even go to AA meetings without EVER learning a damned thing about the AA solution - just hangout out, tell dirty jokes, drink burnt coffee and oggle tramp-stamped drug addicts with wedgied thongs on metal folding chairs ---- OR just drink to the bitter end blotting out the consciousness of your intolerable situation as best you can
What I decided was to accept spiritual help. And I have never regretted it nor has my family.
Ain't America cool? DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
In response to: Dr. Bob's House Cleaning
I get such a kick out of people who pejoratively judge others as being "judgmental". It's hysterical. I speak for myself not ANY organization - especially not AA.
Personally I don't form ad hominine opinions of bloggers, posters, writers and the like - people I have never actually met and probably will not meet. What are the chances that I would have enough information to form an accurate 'judgment? Probably no chance. All I have ever end up with is an opinion - and imaginary characterization - so far from the truth that I end up all eggy faced.
Then again I just might BE angry, self-righteous and judgmental and you could have guessed right on. I might even be a liar - a cheat - a sex pervert - a wife hitter and a tax evading traffic ticket scofflaw. Who knows? Could be. Regardless, your opinion of me is none of my affair. - DJS
Personally I don't form ad hominine opinions of bloggers, posters, writers and the like - people I have never actually met and probably will not meet. What are the chances that I would have enough information to form an accurate 'judgment? Probably no chance. All I have ever end up with is an opinion - and imaginary characterization - so far from the truth that I end up all eggy faced.
Then again I just might BE angry, self-righteous and judgmental and you could have guessed right on. I might even be a liar - a cheat - a sex pervert - a wife hitter and a tax evading traffic ticket scofflaw. Who knows? Could be. Regardless, your opinion of me is none of my affair. - DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dont Piss Me Off Man!
In response to: Dont Piss Me Off Man!
101k was added in 2006. I was LOOONG gone from Wall Street by then. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dont Piss Me Off Man!
In response to: Dont Piss Me Off Man!
Well I'll be darned - there is a section 101-k. A multi-employer pension plan. I don't know anything about them as I only dealt with institutions. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Dont Piss Me Off Man!
In response to: Dont Piss Me Off Man!
I don't think there is any such thing as a 101-K and I don't believe in 401k. If there is a 101-k then my years drinking on Wall Street were worse than even I thought. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Ted taken to Cape Cod Hospital, released after two hours
In response to: Ted taken to Cape Cod Hospital, released after two hours
If the Senator was released from the hospital at 8PM this evening, how did this post hit the Blogsphere at 7:13PM
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Danny S. [Member]
In response to: EtOH Relapse a "Mere Bag of Shells"
In response to: EtOH Relapse a "Mere Bag of Shells"
As the saying goes, "If you want to make God laugh - just tell Him your plans."
DJS
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Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Secrets Of Love, Tolerance - the "Code of AA" and Air Conditioning
In response to: Secrets Of Love, Tolerance - the "Code of AA" and Air Conditioning
Can't say that I have. Intriguing idea although I can't say that I strongly make a connection between USA & booze. Apple Pie, maybe - but not EtOH even if it is distilled from corn. (Our biggest crop) Booze is pretty much a worldwide thang and abuse of it and alcoholism are both human phenomena that transcends heritage. I've meet alkies from the UK, Scandinavia we all have the commonality regardless of any persuasions, political, familial, sexual, gender, religious - the malady is an equal opportunity illness. I don’t think we Americans have a monopoly on it. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Some May Never Recover
In response to: Some May Never Recover
I tend toward the Surrealists - which I don't know if you count Freud - some of his early stuff perhaps - but this piece fit. I think it's an etching, rather than a painting. Not sure. I don't even know the name of it. It reminds me very much of the condition that I often find folks in after they drink. That scene moves me as I have seen it MANY MANY times. it fit. I am a very BIG fan of Dali. But no art connoisseur I. Just have some 'druthers" and appreciation. Freud collections are worth many millions! DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
I guess 'he showed me' - huh? LMAO! DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
I happened to follow a few links to some of Neds "stuff" He's a character alright. A real talented character for sure - but a character still!! LOL. Gotta love it. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Skulls Can Crack
In response to: Skulls Can Crack
I know it sounds that way - I can't blame you for thinking that Drew is
an advocate of 12 step recovery. I mean, he really does SAY it. The words
come out of his mouth-but in actuality he counsels his clients to the exact
opposite. I don't know much about "addiction". I know about alcoholism.
Drug addiction and alcoholism are very different. Despite what the "Addictions" business people tell you. Dr. Drew is a Board Certified 'entertainer'. The VH1 and Loveline priority is entertainment. I think the two of them are very misinformed people with "credentials" who pander to their industries and are harming a lot of alcoholics. I have buried several myself in past years. Almost bit the big one myself following the kind of "recovery advice" that Dr. Drew sells. I stick with the real pros when it comes to alcoholism - AA! AA's been helping alkies recover and providing the solution to alcoholism since before those two knuckleheads were born. But if what they sell works for someone - DAMN! They should go for it. AA is not for ALL with a drinking problem. It is for alcoholics only. DJS
an advocate of 12 step recovery. I mean, he really does SAY it. The words
come out of his mouth-but in actuality he counsels his clients to the exact
opposite. I don't know much about "addiction". I know about alcoholism.
Drug addiction and alcoholism are very different. Despite what the "Addictions" business people tell you. Dr. Drew is a Board Certified 'entertainer'. The VH1 and Loveline priority is entertainment. I think the two of them are very misinformed people with "credentials" who pander to their industries and are harming a lot of alcoholics. I have buried several myself in past years. Almost bit the big one myself following the kind of "recovery advice" that Dr. Drew sells. I stick with the real pros when it comes to alcoholism - AA! AA's been helping alkies recover and providing the solution to alcoholism since before those two knuckleheads were born. But if what they sell works for someone - DAMN! They should go for it. AA is not for ALL with a drinking problem. It is for alcoholics only. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
Love Frazzeta! I did not even recognize that one as one of his - the sig was a little blurry. Oh well. Thanks DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
Times when I had been wrong - you know, made one of those absurd and arrogant preseumpotions of what I thought GODS will was for me, I never had to "power" to carry it out anyway - so even though I tried to do what I THOUGHT was "God's will" - I was spinning my wheels. Cool safety net - and smart cookie that "God" fella.
Thanks Jon
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Thanks Jon
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Danny S. [Member]
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
"What used to be the hunch or the occasional inspiration gradually becomes a working part of the mind. Being still inexperienced and having just made conscious contact with God, it is not probable that we are going to be inspired at all times. We might pay for this presumption in all sorts of absurd actions and ideas. Nevertheless, we find that our thinking will, as time passes, be more and more on the plane of inspiration. We come to rely upon it." (86:3)
Personally I have found this to be absolutely true - but I have been a Twelve Step 'practitioner' for ten tears now and have had a good amount of time to accumulated experiences I can relate to to others with it. The catch or ‘safety net’ to that step it that we ask not only for the "knowledge of His will" but also the power to carry it out. One without the other is useless. (cont)
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
To claim to know what "God" wants for us could easily seem delusional or even blasphemous, depending on one's outlook.>>
Yes, and that very issue often comes up. The way that we look at it is that with time we developed a Sixth Sense that works pretty well. I have always been very wary of folks who go around telling us how "God said" this to me and "God revealed to me" that. VERY suspicious in my view. Big turn off. And frankly - kooky in my estimation. However: (cont).
Yes, and that very issue often comes up. The way that we look at it is that with time we developed a Sixth Sense that works pretty well. I have always been very wary of folks who go around telling us how "God said" this to me and "God revealed to me" that. VERY suspicious in my view. Big turn off. And frankly - kooky in my estimation. However: (cont).
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
In response to: How Simple Do You Want It?
Got the ' in for the c'est! Thanks. I wish I had an editor for my online stuff - can't afford it. Glad you solved your particular "addiction" problem. AA can't "drop the God" out. It is a Twelve Step fellowship an without God there are no Steps to follow. To Wit:
Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
Step 5 - Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Step 6 -Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Step 7 - Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
So unless one comes to believe in God - there really is no Twelve Step Program to follow. But as you prove- AA is not for everybody - it is to drastic and too spiritual and not everyone need go as far as some of have had to go for a solution. Your solution is just as good as mine if it worked.
Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
Step 5 - Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Step 6 -Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Step 7 - Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
So unless one comes to believe in God - there really is no Twelve Step Program to follow. But as you prove- AA is not for everybody - it is to drastic and too spiritual and not everyone need go as far as some of have had to go for a solution. Your solution is just as good as mine if it worked.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
I think your ego must have told you that I'd be interested in arguing or countering your remarks. It lied. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
It's an avocation and I love it - you must have a hobby - no? Well, imagine having a hobby that saves lives and brings broken families back together - where you receive mail from around the world expressing gratitude from parent thanking your for saving the lives of their children - where you get to travel around the globe speaking publicly before thousands of people who have a thirst for the truth about alcoholism? It can't be beat. I wound not give this work up for anything brother! No kidding. And it’s not even what I do for a living. LOL
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Skulls Can Crack
In response to: Skulls Can Crack
Take that tongue out of your cheek! :) Hey, when I was out there drinking up a storm on Wall Street - and Main St - and a few other places - I was definitely what you would term a right wing screwball. I am certainly have not gone left now that I don't drink anymore - but I am definitely much more tolerant of other peoples views now. Maybe ANGER has something to do with it? LMAO!
I don't know. I once sent Pope John Paul a letter demanding that he excommunicate me from his world-wide "Satanic Cult" - if you can believe that. It's true, and that is so 'not me' these days.
Are you are implying that conservatives drink more than liberal I would have to say that that is not my experience? Heavy drinking aside - I can tell you that alcoholism itself is does not discriminate by race, creed, sexual orientation or voter registration. This cape - a bastion of New England democratic liberals has more drunks and alkies per square foot - from Bourne to P-town than the sidewalks of Fifth Avenue in New York on Saint Patrick's Day Parade. DJS
I don't know. I once sent Pope John Paul a letter demanding that he excommunicate me from his world-wide "Satanic Cult" - if you can believe that. It's true, and that is so 'not me' these days.
Are you are implying that conservatives drink more than liberal I would have to say that that is not my experience? Heavy drinking aside - I can tell you that alcoholism itself is does not discriminate by race, creed, sexual orientation or voter registration. This cape - a bastion of New England democratic liberals has more drunks and alkies per square foot - from Bourne to P-town than the sidewalks of Fifth Avenue in New York on Saint Patrick's Day Parade. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
I used to pee and poop it too. This is better. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
Of course I am out for attention. I want anyone who needs help to know that I know my shit and that I can show them exactly how it's done. AA's Public Relations policy as an organization is one of "attraction not promotion" - but for we recovered individuals - at the recovery level - this is not so. We do not represent AA in the least as individuals and we are SUPPOSED to be openly available to help others. We are proactive and constantly prospecting for sick and suffering alkies to whom we can carry the "this" message and we don't wait for them to come to us. My presence online for the last ten years has proven very fruitful in that area. In the meantime you get entertained - or educated or pissed off - or neither - or all, whichever, I don't give a crumb. But at least, as you say, you are happy that I have recovered and believe me - I share in your joy for me!
Oh . . . and I am not FULL of bullshit - just a quarter to half-full of it -- at this stage of my life anyway. DJS
Oh . . . and I am not FULL of bullshit - just a quarter to half-full of it -- at this stage of my life anyway. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
Maverick's (or anyone's) opinion of me is none of my business. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
- was completely removed as the result of a drastic spiritual experience he had - saw the mind bending experience that LDS produced as possibly being spiritual in nature. His own dosing during the studies resulting in what his untrained brain had determined were indeed possibly “spiritual” in nature that if it were so, then LSD ought to be looked at as a way to ‘force’ a spiritual awakening of the kind that might remove the desire to drink. Many years later now we generally don’t consider LSD induced “spiritual awakenings” to be genuine. But hey, they didn’t know back then. Or did they? HMMM. :) DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
Yes. In the fifties LSD had not become a scourge. It was just another experimental drug - and it was looked at as having a possible role in treating alcoholism. Bill Wilson and his wife Lois participated with the US Government (the military I believe, not sure) in controlled experiments themselves. Of course they had no idea that the masses were going to grab and run with it and start synthesizing it in basements for its hallucinogenic producing abilities and then turn it into a major abused street drug of the next decade.
Initial studies indicated that something like fifty percent of all alcoholic subjects were “cured” with a single dose. These claims have been substantiated, but the DEA put LSD on it’s “badie” list in 1970 (Schedule I) and the research for uses of LSD were stopped.
Bill Wilson - who’s obsession to drink even though he could not metabolize EtOH properly and resulting in an uncontrollable craving for more (cont)
Initial studies indicated that something like fifty percent of all alcoholic subjects were “cured” with a single dose. These claims have been substantiated, but the DEA put LSD on it’s “badie” list in 1970 (Schedule I) and the research for uses of LSD were stopped.
Bill Wilson - who’s obsession to drink even though he could not metabolize EtOH properly and resulting in an uncontrollable craving for more (cont)
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
That was VERY funny Ned. Of course I had to go look up 'aminita' on good ol'Dictionary.com but still - - VERY funny. Thanks DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
feed your head
-"maintain" sorry boutdat
:)DJS
-"maintain" sorry boutdat
:)DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
alcoholism.
Once they experience the miracle of recovery by simply “trying” the steps they embrace a God who reveals Himself to them they find that they have been wrong al along - that there is a God - and the proof they needed is right there now in their lives to develop and strengthen a faith in Him. It is truly a miraculous thing. I am privileged to be involved in such an avocation I must tell you. I have worked with many agnostics, and those claiming to be atheist and those who claim to be “the faithful” yet were really a agonistic - it’s a big mixed bag. J
BTW it’s not “Higher Power” - it is “God of our understanding”. So a biblical God need not fit the personal bill. I need to say that the things I say about these subjects are my experience only and that do not in any way represent AA as a whole. No one’s does. DJS
Once they experience the miracle of recovery by simply “trying” the steps they embrace a God who reveals Himself to them they find that they have been wrong al along - that there is a God - and the proof they needed is right there now in their lives to develop and strengthen a faith in Him. It is truly a miraculous thing. I am privileged to be involved in such an avocation I must tell you. I have worked with many agnostics, and those claiming to be atheist and those who claim to be “the faithful” yet were really a agonistic - it’s a big mixed bag. J
BTW it’s not “Higher Power” - it is “God of our understanding”. So a biblical God need not fit the personal bill. I need to say that the things I say about these subjects are my experience only and that do not in any way represent AA as a whole. No one’s does. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
In response to: Henrietta to Bill and Bob: "We Are Not Here To Please Alcoholics"
The question often comes up because even AA has only a small percentage of its “members” who have taken and actually practice its own twelve step program and recover from alcoholism. Since “practicing the steps” is not a requirement for attending AA meetings there is mix of those who HAVE and those who HAVE NOT “had a spiritual awakening as the result of the steps“ and consequently “recovered” from alcoholism - so when you ask a question like this you will get quite a mix of answers.
You will get opinions about the twelve steps from those who haven’t actually experienced them, and opinions about God from those who have not actually developed nor amanita a communication with Him and then you will get real-life experiences with the steps from those who have actually experienced them and who have developed a flow of power and guidance from God and have become very “God conscious“.
My experience is that atheistic and agnostic alcoholics will not be prevented from recovery because the program doesn’t allow them to remain atheist or agonistics and still recover from (cont)
You will get opinions about the twelve steps from those who haven’t actually experienced them, and opinions about God from those who have not actually developed nor amanita a communication with Him and then you will get real-life experiences with the steps from those who have actually experienced them and who have developed a flow of power and guidance from God and have become very “God conscious“.
My experience is that atheistic and agnostic alcoholics will not be prevented from recovery because the program doesn’t allow them to remain atheist or agonistics and still recover from (cont)
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Stop Yer Whinin'
In response to: Stop Yer Whinin'
Well, that is true. Remember the book, "Lazy Man's Way to Riches" by Joe Karbo - or "Winning Through Intimidation" by Robert Ringer - back in the 70s? I bought both of them! LOL!!
The major difference is how we in AA wear all of this on our sleeves with our grins and smiles some genuine - many not - We want to be "happy, joyous and free" and so does God want that for us (I guess He does) and we take that as some sort of entitlement.
Thanks for the comments. DJS
The major difference is how we in AA wear all of this on our sleeves with our grins and smiles some genuine - many not - We want to be "happy, joyous and free" and so does God want that for us (I guess He does) and we take that as some sort of entitlement.
Thanks for the comments. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: The Higher Power of Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous?
In response to: The Higher Power of Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous?
come from a Higher Power. (43:3)Thanks for the comments. Keep Trudging, man! DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: The Higher Power of Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous?
In response to: The Higher Power of Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous?
Yes however “Higher Power” is not used in the Steps. There is no "surrender" to a "higher power" in AA. The only way God is referred to in the Twelve Steps themselves is "a Power greater than ourselves" in Step Two - and then "God" or "Him" in all mentions thereafter.
Then in the basic text, “God” is also referred to as Universal Mind - Spirit of the Universe - Spirit of Nature - Creative Intelligence - Czar of the Heavens, - All Powerful, Guiding, Creative Intelligence - and of course God.
This is how the term “Higher Power” is used in the text of "Alcoholics Anonymous" -
(1) When we look back, we realize that the things which came to us when we put ourselves in God's hands were better than anything we could have planned. Follow the dictates of a Higher Power and you will presently live in a new and wonderful world, no matter what your present circumstances! (100:1)
(2) Once more: The alcoholic at certain times has no effective mental defense against the first drink. Except in a few rare cases, neither he nor any other human being can provide such a defense. His defense must
Then in the basic text, “God” is also referred to as Universal Mind - Spirit of the Universe - Spirit of Nature - Creative Intelligence - Czar of the Heavens, - All Powerful, Guiding, Creative Intelligence - and of course God.
This is how the term “Higher Power” is used in the text of "Alcoholics Anonymous" -
(1) When we look back, we realize that the things which came to us when we put ourselves in God's hands were better than anything we could have planned. Follow the dictates of a Higher Power and you will presently live in a new and wonderful world, no matter what your present circumstances! (100:1)
(2) Once more: The alcoholic at certain times has no effective mental defense against the first drink. Except in a few rare cases, neither he nor any other human being can provide such a defense. His defense must
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Permanent Sobriety is Simple - Not Easy
In response to: Permanent Sobriety is Simple - Not Easy
Actually, I never gave up booze. Wasn't able to. Instead the problem was removed form me. There is no such thing as an alcoholic who CAN give up booze - that's why we use words like "hopeless" and "powerless". If I could give up drinking that would mean that I had power over it! Problem drinkers - heavy drinkers - alcoholic abusers who do not have both the mental obsession combined with the physically damaged body CAN stop - if only they would. Many do. More in todays blog DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Permanent Sobriety is Simple - Not Easy
In response to: Permanent Sobriety is Simple - Not Easy
Actually, I never gave up booze. Wasn't able to. Instead the problem was removed form me. There is no such thing as an alcoholic who CAN give up booze - that's why we use words like "hopeless" and "powerless". If I could give up drinking that would mean that I had power over it! Problem drinkers - heavy drinkers - alcoholic abusers who do not have both the mental obsession combined with the physically damaged body CAN stop - if only they would. Many do. More in todays blog. . . . DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Alcohol Is NOT a Drug. Period.
In response to: Alcohol Is NOT a Drug. Period.
That is truly funny. Thanks for the chuckle. And Ketchup is veg too!
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Rebate Roulette
In response to: Rebate Roulette
Because the "attrition" rate of mail-ins - or "uncollected rebates" (only a percentage of purchasers ever mail the rebate in full compliance with the terms of the rebate offer) against increased sales due to lower advertised prices as the result of the rebate offer - is needed to offset the discounted price offered in the rebate sales price. In short, the guy who forgot, or for whatever reason failed to get his rebate - either through a lost the receipt, distraction, a long drunk or even a divorce - and did NOT mail in is paying for the people who DO send in. And the advertised price (after rebate) attracts more traffic and sales to the store. it’s a win win lose situation. The store wins. The rebate receiver wins - both at the expense of the guy who fails to mail in his rebate offer. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Run? Like Hell!
In response to: Run? Like Hell!
My son and I went down to Craigville Beach this morning thinking we were going to 'run-jog' - whatever - along the beach. IT'S CLOSED! To redidents?????? - until 9AM when they will lift the ropes and take money/check beach stickers. WHATUP WIDAT?
I am a Centerville resident with a beach stickers and I cannot gain entrance to MY BEACH anymore in the early morning? When did this happen? When did the Nazis move in?
DJS
I am a Centerville resident with a beach stickers and I cannot gain entrance to MY BEACH anymore in the early morning? When did this happen? When did the Nazis move in?
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Smashing Baby! Let's Get Smashed
In response to: Smashing Baby! Let's Get Smashed
How about "thwart" & "crush"? I like those too. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Send your luggage here; Wind energy a national security issue; Vet laid to rest after 4 years
In response to: Send your luggage here; Wind energy a national security issue; Vet laid to rest after 4 years
I don't have a political position on Cape Winds issue - couldn't give a crumb - what happens -- happens, but I was in Denmark - summer before last - and saw the turbine-wind mills. I thought they were magnificent. Then again I get verklempt whenever I realize that the tons of metal and plastic that I am sitting in - called a jet-plane- is shooting through the atmosphere at forty thousand feet - above the clouds. In Denmark I thought of thousand years from now and how those incredible giant, energy producing propellers in the sea might be viewed as marvels of engineering much the same way that we marvel at the engineering accomplishments of the Egyptians and Mayans. I wonder if there would have been a Roman Empire or even a USA if aqueducts had been outlawed by a few self-absorbed 'Cives Romani' with nothing better to do than worry about the freakin' view. Then again, will it be worth it all? I have no idea, and the truth is - no one else does either. Time will tell - the arrogant will predict - and everything will turn out the way it it will, despite much teeth gnashed to hell.DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Self Diagnosing Alcoholism
In response to: Self Diagnosing Alcoholism
A mean Muslim bookie? I find that hard to believe. You can't be that bad.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Self Diagnosing Alcoholism
In response to: Self Diagnosing Alcoholism
As for you... I thought you could use a laugh. i'm wrong on that guess a lot.>>
ANYTIME! Just send me the gags baby!
DJS
ANYTIME! Just send me the gags baby!
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Self Diagnosing Alcoholism
In response to: Self Diagnosing Alcoholism
The slapstick you describe IS funny. Remember the closing scene of It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World? I am not sure that a terminal condition like AIDS, breast cancer or alcoholism could qualify for the same treatment. Perhaps you have never had to tend to someone lieing in a hospital bed, lose hope, turn yellow, wither and die before your eyes, although I imagine you must be long enough in the tooth to have seen at least a bit of that - maybe not, I have no way of knowing.
It is a curious phenomenon that we would NEVER speak the same way about someone dying of AIDSs, yet the alcoholic will die as surely, leaving a trail of emotional , psychical, mental, and probably financial debris that often proves insurmountable to the survivors of that wreckage.
BTW, alcoholics constantly make fun of themselves - all the time - we are far from a glum lot. You gotta know how to do it - just like ya gots to suffer to sing the blues.
Your comments just remind me of someone putting a whipped cream pie on the front of a speeding train that is destined to hit a school-bus full of children.
DJS
It is a curious phenomenon that we would NEVER speak the same way about someone dying of AIDSs, yet the alcoholic will die as surely, leaving a trail of emotional , psychical, mental, and probably financial debris that often proves insurmountable to the survivors of that wreckage.
BTW, alcoholics constantly make fun of themselves - all the time - we are far from a glum lot. You gotta know how to do it - just like ya gots to suffer to sing the blues.
Your comments just remind me of someone putting a whipped cream pie on the front of a speeding train that is destined to hit a school-bus full of children.
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Self Diagnosing Alcoholism
In response to: Self Diagnosing Alcoholism
- don’t seem to mind poking fun and taking cheap shots. Again I am not personally offended by anything you say, and I’ll be the first to make fun of us alkies - I am just wondering what goes through head as you think of these things. Just askin’.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Self Diagnosing Alcoholism
In response to: Self Diagnosing Alcoholism
Let me ask you something, and I do so respectfully, please understand - would you be this flippant if this Blog were centered around a different fatal condition - say, small cell carcinoma in the lungs - LUNG CANCER? I mean DEAD is DEAD, right? Once you‘re in the ground and little children and loved ones have grieved it‘s pretty much all the same - from dust to dust - except maybe the family has lived for decades in alcoholic anguish and will be affected right t till their own graves - whereas most cancer families are spared terms like that.
I take no offense to your jesting - Lord knows there is enough ignorance about this deadly malady we call alcoholism around - even amongst much of the intellgencia and scientific communities - hell, why not on a little Blog on Cape Cod-. You know alcoholism kills MULTIPLES each year of those who die from all cancers, lung cancer, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer - yet those people and their afflictions don’t really get the brunt of many jokes. Yet many people - not alkies themselves - don’t seem to mind poking an d taking ch
I take no offense to your jesting - Lord knows there is enough ignorance about this deadly malady we call alcoholism around - even amongst much of the intellgencia and scientific communities - hell, why not on a little Blog on Cape Cod-. You know alcoholism kills MULTIPLES each year of those who die from all cancers, lung cancer, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer - yet those people and their afflictions don’t really get the brunt of many jokes. Yet many people - not alkies themselves - don’t seem to mind poking an d taking ch
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Best kept Cape secret...but not for long!
In response to: Best kept Cape secret...but not for long!
I will clamshelli. Alwaays the hope optimist I am. And capeguy . . as for you . . . well, what can I say? I guess you can think someones life is a mess because they have preferences for something as important as pizza. LMAO!! Oh brutha - chill!
Danny S
Danny S
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Best kept Cape secret...but not for long!
In response to: Best kept Cape secret...but not for long!
Just looking at those slices in the photo. NY Style? No freakin' way! Some nerve they have calling little slivers like that NY Style pizza. The crust looks like hand molded playdough. Yooze guys - and D'Italia's owners - wouldn't know NY style pizza if it bit you in the ass. Fughetaboiutit!
Danny S
Danny S
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Best kept Cape secret...but not for long!
In response to: Best kept Cape secret...but not for long!
I have NEVER found good Pizza on-cape. I guess it's all in "What yer used to". I grew up in the Bronx and great pizza could be had at almost every third street corner. It was just a matter or whose sauce you were the mood for. Quality control was severely enforced broadly by guys with no necks and crooked noses so there was NEVER a lack of good quality real mozzelrall 'Mootzadell' or real quality, imported olive oil. And of m course the H2O in NYC - rated the finest in the world, is very soft which maker ALL the difference between actually having something crisp or having something resembling ossified lead - which characterizes ALL bread products baked on-cape.
Oh and another thing - slices and pies here are HALF the size of NYC style. To me, Cape pizza is a complete rip-off - from canal to P-town.
Danny S
Oh and another thing - slices and pies here are HALF the size of NYC style. To me, Cape pizza is a complete rip-off - from canal to P-town.
Danny S
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: A Man of Thirty
In response to: A Man of Thirty
Ahh but if it were only possible. I personally know alcoholics who have died thinking just that very me thing. And it could be possible if alcoholism were a behavioral problem. Heavy drinking is a behavioral problem - alcoholism is a whole nother kettle o' fish. Imagine thinking that you can teach diabetic to properly eat a a jelly donut? You'll kill him trying. Sam with alcoholism. Alcoholism can be brought on by behaviors i.e.- drinking too much - too often --- just the same way than a diabetes can be brought on by behaviors - Hershey bars - too much - too often. But we still cannot create alcoholics simply by feeding them EtOH no more than we can create diabetics by feeding them sugar - not unless there is a predisposition, and predispositions are hereditary.
BTW there is a fictitious "Thirteenth Step". Want to know what it is? :)
Peace,
Danny S
BTW there is a fictitious "Thirteenth Step". Want to know what it is? :)
Peace,
Danny S
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: I get ill like a convict who kills for phone time...
In response to: I get ill like a convict who kills for phone time...
Well, his thing was dope & blow - and he's taking a long dirt-nap right now. Jesus Christ! DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: I get ill like a convict who kills for phone time...
In response to: I get ill like a convict who kills for phone time...
Watch out when detoxing from those - and you WILL need to detox (physical addiction ya know) - follow orders and be sure to taper slowly. I played Mr. Bigshot Sober Guy one time and really had a rough time with it after surgery about seven-eight years ago. BLEAH! That was a bummer. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: I get ill like a convict who kills for phone time...
In response to: I get ill like a convict who kills for phone time...
I too have some Port-O-Call experiecnes to scribble involving some of it's patrons. I'll get to it soon. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: I get ill like a convict who kills for phone time...
In response to: I get ill like a convict who kills for phone time...
OK. Is this satire, are you really an illegal drug abuser - or have I simply had too many Venti Latte's this morning? Straighten me out, please! I may have to abstain from the 'made at home' Starbucks which will really suck because I don't think that Transdermal Caffeine Patches have been invented, yet. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Welcome To The First Church of "Not Drinkin' Today"
In response to: Welcome To The First Church of "Not Drinkin' Today"
Fine with me. I understand that the St. Paul Salmonella nasties get boiled out of the "paste" before it's bottled. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: If you have to be depressed, why not in a beautiful place like Cape Cod?
In response to: If you have to be depressed, why not in a beautiful place like Cape Cod?
That Cape Cod would naturally attract mainlanders prone to depression makes much more sense than reason the this Globe article suggests. It would be interesting to see the same study separating natives from transplants - wash-a-shores like me.
I have been clinically diagnosed and used to suffer from depression - morosity so severe I could not get out of bed at times. I found the answer to depression to be so simple, effective and fast acting - I have not suffered from it for years. I will probably blog on it one day so I won't take up comment space here - but the hint is this: I have noticed that Cape Cod tends to support an unusually high preponderance of some of the most self-absorbed folk I have ever met -- and I have traveled. No monopoly on self-centered people to be sure, but DAMN! I am NOT in NYC anymore! Gorgeous peninsula! Wacky populace. DJS
I have been clinically diagnosed and used to suffer from depression - morosity so severe I could not get out of bed at times. I found the answer to depression to be so simple, effective and fast acting - I have not suffered from it for years. I will probably blog on it one day so I won't take up comment space here - but the hint is this: I have noticed that Cape Cod tends to support an unusually high preponderance of some of the most self-absorbed folk I have ever met -- and I have traveled. No monopoly on self-centered people to be sure, but DAMN! I am NOT in NYC anymore! Gorgeous peninsula! Wacky populace. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Fair and Balanced Cheapskates
In response to: Fair and Balanced Cheapskates
Walter, I know where Sean lives. Want me to go put the 'touch' on him for you? A little 'leaning' goes a long way. LMAO
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
Familiar with the Mustard Seed. Ever go to Cops & Robbers? DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
No sarcasm at all to Karen. She says she did not need AA to solve her drinking. I applaud that! It's got to be a very difficult thing to do. I wouldn’t know from experience what it's like of course because I was never able to do it. I was powerless over alcohol. No. No sarcasm. I swear. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
Ok now take that idea, your experience - of seeing how booze negatively affected you and those you love - and THEN not being able to stop despite that knowledge. THAT'S alcoholism! Sucks eggs, doesn't it? Now imagine doing that for twenty, thirty or more years. Talk about misery! MAN! I don't want to go back to that now I have recovered. I am so glad that people like you solve their drink problems without AA. There are lots of folks IN AA, who like you, HAVE POWER over alcohol, and still "keep comin' back". I wish they would take an example from you Karen. I think that you are inspirational. Too bad there isn't a Fellowship for people who don't have a Fellowship. LMAO! DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
What's a "Hate blogger?" LMAO!
Isn't that just anyone I disagree with?
I'm a Cape Cod driver, ya know? Everyone faster, passing me is a lunatic and everyone slower behind me is an impatient asshole. DJS
Isn't that just anyone I disagree with?
I'm a Cape Cod driver, ya know? Everyone faster, passing me is a lunatic and everyone slower behind me is an impatient asshole. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
Sorry. I thought you said that people and meetings keep you sober. My bad. :) DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
Right Ally- You said it better than I did, I think. Thats the difference between the "hard drinker" and the real alcoholic described in the Book. A real alcoholic (yes there is such a thing) is not able to do what the heard or moderate drinker can do - stop or moderate if he wants to or needs to. the Real McCoy cannot stop or moderate even though we wants, needs to. That's why "Don't drink no matter what" doesn't work for anyone except non-alcoholics, even if they do have a problems with ETOH. Tell that to a real alcoholic as part of the solution to his problem only if you want to kill him. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
Then you and I are very different. I have a problem only a spiritual awakening can conquer - you have one which meetings can conquer. That is good - for both of us - we have each discovered our soution. You have a "FOR ME" program, as your comment clearly illustrates. We have a "WE" solution - one upon whihc all of "us" can agree - a 'common solutiomn' to a common problem that is very different form what you describing is YOUR ("ME,ME,ME") problem. If I did what YOU do to stay sober - which you say is to rely upon people, group of drunk, meetings and things human - I'd still be an un-recovered alcoholic and me and my family would be still suffering. But we are not - Thank God. I think it's great that you have solved your drinking problem some other way than the Twelve Steps and a spiritual awakening.DAMN! Some people are just blessed that way. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
BTW I am no expert on alcoholism. I only speak of my own experience with recovery, and the solution in the book, Alcoholics Anonymous." as I practice it. Anything I say that can't be reconciled with what's in that book has should no to be construed as necessarily having anything to do with AA. I am no authority or spokesman for God, AA, or spirituality and my experience with any of these is just that - mine. Many people who go to AA meetings and don't drink and consider themselves 'members' are having a totally different experience in that Fellowship than I am having. I recognize that. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
Ally - with your experience in those wind-up joints, did they ever stress to you that your sobriety was contingent upon a spirual awakening? I assume it was a while ago, but can you recall ever being told that, " . . .you may be suffering from an illness which only a spiritual experience will conquer."? (44:0)
. . . or did were they more intent upon stressing things like "behavior modification" methods to solve your problem? Just asking. DSJ
. . . or did were they more intent upon stressing things like "behavior modification" methods to solve your problem? Just asking. DSJ
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
I don't look at Ebbys drinking again that way.
Oxford/AA/Born Again/Catholic/Protestant what does it matter HOW a spiritual awakening is had? It still has to be maintained and grown. I can't fault the Oxfords for Ebbys relapse. The Big Book gives ONLY ONE reason for ever relapsing. That reason is this: "He failed to enlarge his spiritual life." I have worked with hundreds of men and this has always been my observation as well - not just the AA co-founders. I am working with a guy right now who just drank the day before yesterday. He had been sober a year and doing well. But he "failed to enlarge his spiritual life" by not following Step Twelve - he didn't carry this message - in other words he wasnt sponsoring anyone through the 12 Steps. Now he's in Gosnold to spin dry. When he gets out in a few days hopefully he'll get with me and start doing the work prescribed - that he started doing in the beginning and dropped - instead of trying to stay sober on meetings, meetings, meetings and other POP-AA stuff he's picked up in those meetings. He's another "Ebby"-just 70 yrs. later. DJS
Oxford/AA/Born Again/Catholic/Protestant what does it matter HOW a spiritual awakening is had? It still has to be maintained and grown. I can't fault the Oxfords for Ebbys relapse. The Big Book gives ONLY ONE reason for ever relapsing. That reason is this: "He failed to enlarge his spiritual life." I have worked with hundreds of men and this has always been my observation as well - not just the AA co-founders. I am working with a guy right now who just drank the day before yesterday. He had been sober a year and doing well. But he "failed to enlarge his spiritual life" by not following Step Twelve - he didn't carry this message - in other words he wasnt sponsoring anyone through the 12 Steps. Now he's in Gosnold to spin dry. When he gets out in a few days hopefully he'll get with me and start doing the work prescribed - that he started doing in the beginning and dropped - instead of trying to stay sober on meetings, meetings, meetings and other POP-AA stuff he's picked up in those meetings. He's another "Ebby"-just 70 yrs. later. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
People with 'drinking problems' stop drinking using self control all the time. Just like you did. Alcoholics are different entities altogether. We fit a very specific description that "problem drinkers" or "heavy drinkers" or "alcohol abusers" do not fit. We are a distinct minority among those who simply have "a problem" with booze/drink too much/drink too often. All alcoholics have a problem with alcohol but not all who have a problem with alcohol are alcoholic. For us the only solution is a spiritual one. Not religious. Spiritual.
I used to abuse drugs too. but I stopped using my own willpower. I was not "powerless over drugs" and therefore not a candidate for a Drug Addictions 12 Step based fellowship. but I WAS powerless over alcohol and met the two conditions necessary to fit AA's description (not my description - by theirs) of the alcoholic. So I pursued their solution- and it worked. it's that simple. BTW I do no belong to any organized religion. They are just not for me. I hope that helps. DJS
I used to abuse drugs too. but I stopped using my own willpower. I was not "powerless over drugs" and therefore not a candidate for a Drug Addictions 12 Step based fellowship. but I WAS powerless over alcohol and met the two conditions necessary to fit AA's description (not my description - by theirs) of the alcoholic. So I pursued their solution- and it worked. it's that simple. BTW I do no belong to any organized religion. They are just not for me. I hope that helps. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Facing A Fifth
In response to: Facing A Fifth
Monponset, you are one lucky stiff!! I was raised to drink responsibly too. Then tried .. oh .. I'm guessing a couple of thousand times to prove that I could. Unfortunately I developed the Alcoholic allergy(craving)and couldnt stop once I started considerable - I'd be able to stop once I started. But you can't change human physiology.
Ally - Yeah. Get out of self. Absolutely. "Your job now is to be at the place where you may be of maximum helpfulness to others, so never hesitate to go anywhere if you can be helpful. You should not hesitate to visit the most sordid spot on earth on such an errand. Keep on the firing line of life with these motives and God will keep you unharmed." (Alcoholics Anonymous 102:3)
Ebby Thacher set the example. He went to a sordid place - Bill & Lois's apartment on Clinton Street in Brooklyn where Bill Wilson was waiting with tumblers of Gin and pineapple juice with which to get Ebby sloshed! It didn’t work. Ebby was immune - safe and protected because he was doing the work he had to do - get off his ass and show Bill how to discover God and recover. DJS
Ally - Yeah. Get out of self. Absolutely. "Your job now is to be at the place where you may be of maximum helpfulness to others, so never hesitate to go anywhere if you can be helpful. You should not hesitate to visit the most sordid spot on earth on such an errand. Keep on the firing line of life with these motives and God will keep you unharmed." (Alcoholics Anonymous 102:3)
Ebby Thacher set the example. He went to a sordid place - Bill & Lois's apartment on Clinton Street in Brooklyn where Bill Wilson was waiting with tumblers of Gin and pineapple juice with which to get Ebby sloshed! It didn’t work. Ebby was immune - safe and protected because he was doing the work he had to do - get off his ass and show Bill how to discover God and recover. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Resting On Laurels
In response to: Resting On Laurels
Hey . . . I just noticed . . . do you realize that you specifically skip over the pages that show us how to we carry the (this) message? You are omitting those specific eight pages (89-97)
"Practical experience shows that nothing will so much insure immunity from drinking as intensive work with other alcoholics. It works when other activities fail. This is our twelfth suggestion: Carry this message to other alcoholics! You can help when no one else can."
You don't to be a "thumper" to be a 'practitioner', right? Maybe just something to consider. Like I said, taking "YOUR" inventory is what I do best. :) DJS
"Practical experience shows that nothing will so much insure immunity from drinking as intensive work with other alcoholics. It works when other activities fail. This is our twelfth suggestion: Carry this message to other alcoholics! You can help when no one else can."
You don't to be a "thumper" to be a 'practitioner', right? Maybe just something to consider. Like I said, taking "YOUR" inventory is what I do best. :) DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Resting On Laurels
In response to: Resting On Laurels
I am a thumper. LOL Can't escape that moniker. You are so right about being right within so we can be helpful with-out. That is the whole point of inventory. The ‘design for living’ of course is the Twelve Steps. I get real excited when I hear about ANYBODY giving this book a fair trial. Thanks for being out here with us on the firing line. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Resting On Laurels
In response to: Resting On Laurels
One more thought. A suggestion actually. The Big Book isn't for us improve our quality of life. It doesn’t have the answers. It's purpose is to convey the clear-cut directions on how to take the Twelve Steps so that we can have a spiritual awakening as the result. That's it! Nothing more than that. I know a lot of us want to find answer to our problems in books, and lectures and CDs and stuff but often we are looking in places where there are no answers. There are entire AA Groups that worship the Big Book - can recite it forward and backwards and in three different languages - and can quote it till you want to just die. But all it has ever been about is having a spiritual awakening and getting back with God. Many of us have found that all guidance and direction for 'life' comes from a source much higher than the words written in any book, including the Big . The answer isn't there in that book - it inside of us all and that’s where it tries to lead us. IF we are willing to follow a few simple, rules. Twelve to be exact. Even Emmett would agree with much of that! Peace, DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Resting On Laurels
In response to: Resting On Laurels
Hey, taking others inventory is what do best! Don't get too upset with me if it sounds like I'm 'dissing' ol' Emmett. I like him just fine. But reading spiritual literature - Emmett’s or anyone else’s, prior to having the spiritual awakening that the Twelve Steps - or any method - provides, is often putting the cart before the horse.
Nothing grows until it is first born. I am sure you know what I mean. Thanks for commenting!! DJS
Nothing grows until it is first born. I am sure you know what I mean. Thanks for commenting!! DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Buyer Beware: Entering Osterville
In response to: Buyer Beware: Entering Osterville
Your story gives me a chance now to say what I have wanted to say to the proprietors of that station since moving here almost ten years ago and pulling in seeing their prices.
NO WAY! GET LOST!
Believe me - I could say worse! What nerve.
DJS
NO WAY! GET LOST!
Believe me - I could say worse! What nerve.
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: How To Make Heads Turn
In response to: How To Make Heads Turn
It sure does. I don't know ANYONE who EVER recovered inside a meeting. I guess it can happen. But I know hundreds and have heard of thousands who recover THEN GO to meetings to carry this message to those who come there to get it. When we can stop going to meetings to "get what we need to hear" and start going to CARRY the AA message of spiritual awakening and recovery - THEN we are fulfilling our Primary Purpose. But unless we reach that level of self-less-ness we will always have to go to meetings so we "don't pick up a drink today". That is NOT sobriety -- sobriety is "freedom" but as long as ETOH is telling me that I am reliant upon people for to stay away from a drink - the group - the meeting - instead of God -- then am still it's slave. Thanks DJ. I appreciate the good word from you guys over there across the pond. I hope to get over there to speak this year. Give my best to all!! DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: How To Make Heads Turn
In response to: How To Make Heads Turn
Oh and - the position of "Greeter" is frequently suggested to newcomers. It's a good way for them to get to know a lot of people quickly. That is probably why they tried to grab you for the job. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: How To Make Heads Turn
In response to: How To Make Heads Turn
Perry Street? Might just be the neighborhood. West Villagers walk to their own beat, for sure :) DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: It Does Not Get Better - It Only Gets Worse
In response to: It Does Not Get Better - It Only Gets Worse
Should I stay or should I go? I don't know but there is stuff you can do.You can be proactive in helping yourself AND him.Find out if he wants to stop drinking forever.If he does get him a copy of"Alcoholics Anonymous". In the meantime you can get some great advice from Chapter Eight of that book.It tells you how you might approach a Category # 2 drinker - one who may or may not be alcoholic but who is certainly showing earmarks.The experience in that Chapter is invaluable. Although I have opinions-my experience is that what the co-authors have included in that Chapter works well.VERY WELL! And don't forget to take care of yourself too - but this chapter pretty much covers that too. (It's much more than just going to Al-Anon meetings. The AA way of life had advantages in this area for you too!!!)Here's a link to Chapter Eight - the category # 2 directions are on page 112 - but start reading on page 104 so it is all within context. http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_BigBook_chapt8.pdf
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: I Don't Want What YOU Got . . .
In response to: I Don't Want What YOU Got . . .
The book title, "Alcoholics Anonymous" also known as "The Big Book" is available in English, French, and Spanish. You should be able to find it in most book stores, or it can also be ordered from Alcoholics Anonymous General Service Office in NY. Cape Cod Intergroup in Hyannis, also has copies for sale and you can also find it in just about any public library. It can so be read online http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/
Thanks for your comments!!
DJS
Thanks for your comments!!
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: I Don't Want What YOU Got . . .
In response to: I Don't Want What YOU Got . . .
The book title, "Alcoholics Anonymous" also known as "The Big Book" is available in English, French, and Spanish. You should be able to find it in most book stores, or it can also be ordered from Alcoholics Anonymous General Service Office in NY. Cape Cod Intergroup in Hyannis, also has copies for sale and you can also find it in just about any public library. It can so be read online http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/
Thanks for yoru comments!!
DJS
Thanks for yoru comments!!
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Another “Stupid Problem-Drinker Trick”
In response to: Another “Stupid Problem-Drinker Trick”
If a Kennedy or a Smith or a Jones wants to drink - that's HIS business. . . . . . . . . but if a Kennedy or a Smith or a Jones wants to STOP drinking ... that's MY business. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Another “Stupid Problem-Drinker Trick”
In response to: Another “Stupid Problem-Drinker Trick”
I know plenty of non-alcoholics that could drink me "under the table" - as the saying goes. They just stopped and started when they wanted to - and they wanted to a lot. I was fortunate that I stopped sniffing the white stuff when I wanted - and needed to. I was not powerless over drugs. Alcohol? Eeh. .. not so much. But it is true I was able to pour more booze down the gullet whilst under the influence of cocaine - simply by merit of being awake longer. I never usually stopped drinking till I ran out of money, consciences or time. Blow bought me more consciousness and time. But it also ate up my "budget" quicker - so I guess it was a wash. Unless it was someone else’s coke. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Antabuse Is Power
In response to: Antabuse Is Power
Vanilla Extract and Preparation H - two of the most shoplifted items in any supermarket. What does that say about our society? LMAO! DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Antabuse Is Power
In response to: Antabuse Is Power
Not just weak but nonexistent! This is why it baffles so many. Alcoholic “obsession” or 'alcoholic insanity' includes the experience of not having the ability to recall the repercussions-no matter how severe-of our last debacle with enough force to cause us to make a sane decision to NOT DRINK. It doesn’t occur to us.There is a lot I can say about it but in a nutshell-when I recovered from alcoholism the obsession was removed entirely.The obsession just goes away and I never succumb to that crazy idea that I can “just have one”-forgetting that my body will crave more once any amount whatever enters my body. Even an eyedropper of vanilla extract (40%)under the eyelid would bring about the abnormal reaction as surely as nap in a latex sheet would someone allergic to latex.Alcoholics who remain un-recovered (regardless of how many ‘meetings’ they attend) never experience that obsession removal and eventually succumb -- remaining restless, irritable and discontent all the while. Heavy or “problem” drinkers who are not alcoholic but troubled none-the-less, do use willpower to stop.
DJS
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: No Denying The Truth
In response to: No Denying The Truth
Oh, and you made me laugh thinking about your shots. Hell, if I could have had limited myself two shots of Scotch a day - everyday, without fail - and no more . . . I would never have had to stop! :)
DJS
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: No Denying The Truth
In response to: No Denying The Truth
Kind words. Thank you. You are right in your observation about alcoholics helping other alcoholics.The solution is so drastic, so complete, and requires such abject concession of the innermost self, that only the strongest of personal bond, that the person passing on the method has walked in his shoes, can succeed.That’s why folks who just “Don’t drink and go to meetings” and not much else, suffer and even die from alcoholism - all the while being “In AA”. They are dry but still restless, irritable and discontent. Nuts, really. It is also why drug addicts who are not also alcoholic cannot take an alcoholic who is not also a drug addict through the Twelve Step recovery method, and visa versa. These Twelve Step Fellowships must maintain a philosophy they call "Singleness of Purpose" for membership purposes. IE. Only “those who suffer from alcoholism” having “a desire to stop drinking” can actually become AA members. (ALL are welcomed to open meetings however)Unfortunately this is often ignored here on the Cape and so fewer alcoholics ever recover than might otherwise. Thanks again. DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Alcoholics Get Packing
In response to: Alcoholics Get Packing
A limit to selfishness. HMMMM. Now that is an interesting idea. There is a certain amount of selfishness necessary for survival. Then there's the kind an amount that we alcoholics engage in that kills us eventually. It seems to know no bonds! :) Spiritual illness of course is not limited to alcoholics. But all alcoholics have been or are quite spiritually ill. The only way out I have ever seen work is keep up with reviewing my behaviors - every day - Was I resentful, selfish, dishonest or afraid? Thanks Ned.
DJS
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: WHOOPIE ! Save 20 cents a gallon on your gas
In response to: WHOOPIE ! Save 20 cents a gallon on your gas
That means a Two Dollar limit? - BIG WHOOOP - Puhleeze! I'm not driving all the way to Christies for two bucks? It already costs me a buck to get there. I thought for a second I was looking at some honest to God marketing savvy by a Cape retailer - for once.
DJS
DJS
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: What Are The Options?
In response to: What Are The Options?
Thank you. True. What happens around here though is that people,good people, get themselves into a facility and when they get out, besides being dry - have no idea of what to do besides “go to meetings” “read the big book” and “don’t drink no matter what”. They are loaded with 'Recovery Model' stuff that clearly shows that their counselors have absolutely no idea of what they are dealing with when dealing with alcoholism. I am not singling out the two local facilities. The problem is worldwide. But I spend an awful lot of time deprogramming alcoholic “clients” who - after the credit card has been approved, or mamma's house mortgaged and the 27.5 days are logged - it turns out they have received nothing more than a 72 hour detox and a head full of nothing but BS about “their disease” and misinformation about AA. and recovery. These places are very dangerous to the "real McCoy". The good news is that they can be useful to alcohol abusers who won't need a spiritual awakening ala AA to get their lives back in order. Then showing them how to use their own willpower helps.
Danny S. [Member]
In response to: Nearly Lost My Head
In response to: Nearly Lost My Head
Like you, I wish I knew the answer to that. I am consoled with knowing that probably no human being is capable of comprehending a Supreme Being or God. (Despite that many of us think we do.) Believing that - I don't feel so dumb. Thanks so much! DJS
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In response to: AA's 100% Success Rate?